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Reasons to sack a Minister

Written By: - Date published: 12:15 pm, July 22nd, 2020 - 154 comments
Categories: Abuse of power, Iain Lees-Galloway - Tags:

Ian-Lees Galloway wasn’t sacked for an extra-marital affair. He was sacked because he had a sexual relationship with someone at work where there was a significant power imbalance due to his role as MP and Minister, and because as Minister for Workplace Relations it’s a job requirement not to act in a way that is against good workplace relations.

Matthew Whitehead explains,

1) It’s completely untenable for the Minister of Workplace Relations to leave themselves open to allegations of an improper relationship with someone he’s responsible for and is a sacking offense given that it shows he does not believe in the policies he is required to implement on others. It’s probably a demotion-to-backbencher-level offense for any other minister too, IMO, so long as there is an inappropriate power relationship or corrupt use of their ministerial powers.

<2) IMO if he has an affair but wasn’t a ‘family values’ campaigner or anything similar, it’s none of our fucking business by default, but if it involves misconduct as a Minister, it comes into the public arena because of that conduct. The PM has been clear that this example involved ministerial misconduct, even if she hasn’t revealed the gory details.

(examples such as misappropriating public funds to hide the affair, not declaring a potential conflict of interest due to an intimate relationship, or behaving in a manner that demonstrates they are not fit to hold their portfolios would be the sorts of things I would look for)

Jacinda Ardern explained well what her rationales are (starts at 12m 30),

This is power analysis 101. It’s not a moral issue, it’s one of appropriate behaviours when one has institutional power.

Given the history from both sides of the house on issues related to sexual abuse, harassment, inappropriate behaviour, and issues of power can we please drop the partisan reactions?

It might also be time to look at the clear connections between macho politics, the promotion of abusive culture by some politicians and political parties in their attempts to gain and retain power, the MSM’s role in that, and wider society that sanctions abuse of that power.

Men have a particular part to play in this, because the patriarchal, domination structure we use to organise society favours power towards men (who then often don’t want to share power), and favours abuse of power. This doesn’t mean that there aren’t also women behaving inappropriately, neoliberal patriarchy is quite happy to allow women into positions of power so long as they play by the patriarchal rules (not too many women though, because then things might change towards egalitarian structures).

It’s good that the situation with ILG has come to light now. Best we bring out all the bullshit into the light and have a serious debate what it means. It’s long past time that we stopped giving power to people who don’t know how to use it ethically. That requires New Zealand to take a long hard look at our political culture and what kind of people it is attracting as well as what kind of behaviour it engenders. Individual sackings and resignations won’t change that culture but they do present us with an opportunity to examine more deeply what is going on.


154 comments on “Reasons to sack a Minister ”

  1. observer 1

    "Given the history from both sides of the house on issues related to sexual abuse, harassment, inappropriate behaviour, and issues of power can we please drop the partisan reactions? "

    I think "history" is a key word here. There is plenty in Labour's history, but it's obvious Ardern is aiming to raise standards. It's not at all obvious in National (they even had a report that they have shelved).

    We should certainly not be partisan, a red/green abuser is 100% as guilty as a blue one if they do the same thing. But we should not equate different cases. ILG is not Falloon, at all.

    (to avoid any doubt, I think PM was right to sack him)

    • Grant Insley 1.1

      Except that only National found they absolutely needed to create an 'intelligence gathering unit' under Brownlee. Was this it's first scalp?

      • weka 1.1.1

        Or National have been sitting on biding their time. Who would know. But the reason National can do that kind of thing and get away with it is because it is culturally sanctioned by most of parliament and society in general. National are a whole set of particular problems we won't be able to solve while we still think hard man, macho politics is the way to run things.

        • Drowsy M. Kram

          Yesterday people commented here that if the parents of one of Falloon's 'targets' hadn't taken the matter to Ardern, then Falloon would still be the PM for Rangitata.

          I admire PM Ardern's personal values and political nouse, but wonder if ILG would still be the Minister of Immigration if Collins hadn’t spilled the political beans.

          Open and transparent‘ – some MPs will be more than a little concerned as the prospect of an all-out tit-for-tat attack.

          • weka

            Imagine a culture where either of those two behaviours would have been dealt with without the politicking.

            • Drowsy M. Kram

              yes, but human nature means voters must take the rough with the smooth. Not all politicians are benign geniuses and/or empaths – consider the typical type of campaign that is fought to become an MP, PM etc.

              Sometimes I dare hope that Ardern's style of relentless positivity will rub off on other politicians – recent events suggest that’s unrealistic, naive even, but they do highlight the exceptional nature of her genuine style of politics. Long may she reign.

              • Matthew Whitehead

                I mean, she stole that brand from the Greens, so arguably, it's already contagious.

                • Drowsy M. Kram

                  yesNat MPs either have herd immunity or they're vaccinated on selection.

                  • Incognito

                    Nah, they live in their own bubble of managed self-isolation in a stasis of self-preservation AKA status quo.

      • Matthew Whitehead 1.1.2

        Even if this is its first scalp, it's kinda irrelevant. ILG did this to himself by not behaving ethically, potentially pressuring (or being SEEN as pressuring) someone under his influence into a sexual relationship. I know it's hard to handle power well, but there are Ministers who've done it.

        I don't even mind that he had an affair in terms of his career- it's terrible for his family ofc and people shouldn’t, but the problem is that he had one in a way that has undermined his professional conduct. If people can have a discreet side-relationship without fucking subordinates, committing fraud, or being involved in conflicts of interest, I say we should leave them to it. That's a personal moral failing to be litigated at the next election/selection process, not an issue for the PM.

        • Andre

          potentially pressuring (or being SEEN as pressuring)


          Even if the other person was a star-struck groupie working every possible angle to get their reluctant target in the sack, it's the existence of a power imbalance due to the workplace structure that makes the relationship problematic.

          • Matthew Whitehead

            It is NOT irrelevant. The standard for Ministers is that they should avoid the perception of corrupt behaviour, not just actual corruption.

            Being star-struck is fine, but my understanding is that ILG was at the top of their org chart. That’s not fine. If Ministers want to trade on their importance to date, whether for an affair or because they’re single, they need to do it outside their own departments or ministries, or in the private sector.

            • Enough is Enough

              Are you saying that there is no situation where a consensual relationship can exist between people at different levels in the department or ministry?

              That defies perfectly natural human behavior and emotions.

              • Matthew Whitehead

                No, at different levels is fine so long as they're not above that person in the management heirarchy. I once had an entire team I was in have to be shunted to a different manager one level above my immediate boss when a family member of one of the managers joined it to avoid conflicts of interest. That is the sort of thing that's necessary when people at different levels of the heirarchy develop and declare a romantic or sexual relationship in the workplace IMO.

            • KJT

              If that was really the standard for Ministers, Collins would not be in Parliament. Nor would most of Nationals MP's and some more of Labours

              • Matthew Whitehead

                We don't get to control the National Party's unacceptably low standards and misapplication of the cabinet manual. I agree Collins ought to be disqualified from ever being any sort of Minister ever again, but I don't see any way we can convince the Nats about that.

          • Foreign waka

            Firstly, there is no mention or proof that the lady was pressured, secondly she was as far as we know not under aged. To imply that she was irrational and "starstruck" would be adding insult to injury. Maybe she liked the guy, do you know the facts?

            Therefore, this is a private matter unless we are now in a new age of puritanical life of the 1700's. Isolation can do many things.

            Stupidity to do this with the risk involved and a price is paid. .

            I do hope that everybody on the high horse of morality is in the same ecstatic mood when it comes to true imbalances in the workplace. And by that I mean people on min wage working long hours without overtime pay, being told take it or leave it.

            Always great to see the bouncing on irrelevant stories taken up by media and all and sundry. Best part is that no one gives a single thought about those hurt in all of this – partner, kids maybe – and the story being dragged trough the media. Well done, good job sarc.

        • Shanreagh

          Until we know when this occurred ie during or after the adviser’s tenure we cannot say a Minister was 'pressurising' anyone. I would doubt it…..the offices are very small, the relationships between advisers and the office managers are intense and close. The employments contracts and liaison with MS is available at a drop of a hat.

          If after the adviser had left & the relationship started then then how is this pressurising? They are out of reach ie free then from that office’s people and politics

          As I have said from experience as a portfolio adviser, shrinking violets or shy retiring types are not usually chosen for this position. I would be very careful about power imbalances. May have been a mutual attraction that was taken up after the adviser left his office. And this is not unusual either.

          PM has handled it well.

          • Matthew Whitehead

            I thought the PM was pretty clear that the person in question was in one of ILG's departments during the relationship?

            • Shanreagh

              Departments? gets fuzzier by the minute.

              I thought they were a departmental portfolio adviser within his office.

              A person working in a govt dept is a very very long reach away from a Minister even if they have to come over to brief regularly on issues. Power imbalance recedes even more if this was the case.

              Mutual attraction comes very much to the fore.

              PM right to speak up if the Minster had lost her confidence.

              • Matthew Whitehead

                This was my understanding from the very beginning listening to the PM's press conference. It might get fuzzier for you, but this has always been a clear violation of ethical standards in my mind.

            • froggleblocks

              They are described as being a "former staffer" and "working in an external agency". It seems the affair started after they no longer worked in ILG's office, but their new employment may still have had some involvement with ILG's ministerial work.

              • Matthew Whitehead

                Yes, that was my understanding of what was going on, although I wasn't aware their nature might have been as an external contractor or similar. The behaviour is still unsupportable and unethical in that situation though, IMO.

          • weka

            From RNZ,

            Ardern said the staff member had worked in Lees-Galloway's office but was not working in his office at the time the relationship started.

            Asked if it was a junior staffer or intern Ardern said: "Not the latter."


            Obviously Ardern is protecting the staffer (rightly so). There will be a limit to the detail we will get (unless it gets Tova-ed). It seems reasonable to discuss the issues as potentials given this isn't just about ILG, but parliament generally.

            • Shanreagh

              So no power imbalance then?

              • weka

                "the staff member had worked in Lees-Galloway's office" = issues of power.

                • Shanreagh

                  'Had worked', past tense.

                  If they had worked together then after ceasing working together they had an affair this is not a case of imbalance of power.

                  If they had an affair while the person was working in ILG's office then long bow could say imbalance of power issues. These advisers are not shrinking violets and if connected with their dept still will have the CE and HR units of their dept to confide in and also the SPS or office manager and MS in-house to raise issues with. Inappropriate conduct especially when a Minister for Workplace relations but prob no imbalance of power.

                  If they were in a position where they came across from their dept and briefed the Minister a couple of times a week, then doubtful if an imbalance existed as they were still under day to day control of their own CE & day to day acess to HR depts. A bit sleazey but prob not imbalance of power

                  If used to work with ILG in parlt Office or as a departmental or agency staff member briefing and had a mutual attraction that was not actioned until after the person had left the office and the dept, then no imbalance of power. Morality issue.

    • weka 1.2

      agreed, and a motivation for the post was to make the reasons for the firing clear, lest we're left with the wrong impression 😉

      The partisan issue is where someone in Labour fucks up and we minimise this by pointing out how bad National are, and thus we lose sight of the underlying issues. Partisan reactions to individuals won't help us address the root causes.

      Ardern's handling of this and the Falloon email have been good, setting new standards.

      • Matthew Whitehead 1.2.1

        I feel more like Ardern is living up to the minimum standards we always should have had and tried to pay lip service to. It's a much better practice, but it makes me sad that this is viewed as exceptional behaviour. This is normal behaviour, it's just the first time we're seeing it from Labour! 🙂 It’s praiseworthy, but like, just a little.

        Thanks for meeting reasonable ethical standards, Prime Minister! lol

        • weka

          Lol, so true. It's such a shitshow that the relief at normal behaviour elevates it.

        • Shanreagh

          Agree with this. She handled it well but we have been in such a sleaze bowl lately that handling things normally, decently, kindly and carefully is still coming as a bit of a shock.

  2. Ad 2

    It's very sweet of you to make it a straight "power" issue. Ardern can refer to the rules all she likes, but the public won't buy that for a second.

    We are in a little sexual moral panic this week. Check out the outrage on TS about pornographic pictures: hundreds upon hundreds of comments. The right now gets to do the same.

    We haven't had one of this scale since Colin Moyle.

    The media are just going to gut us with schadenfreude for another week.

    • weka 2.1

      We all have a choice about how we respond to the individual events, the cumulation of events, and the overall situation. If people want to be spectators of the circling round the drain, that's up to them. I'm offering a space for a different conversation.

    • weka 2.2

      dismissal of the power dynamics is particularly useful to macho politics.

    • dv 2.3

      Wasn't Moyle set up by Muldoon?

      • Yep. Moyle did nothing wrong, morally or legally. Muldoon, on the other hand …

        • Treetop

          And with the help of the probable police leaker and Burnside and Walton let that go. In September 1995 the cop involved in the 17 June 1975 incident said to me that most likely there was a mole in the police. I told him I want to read the full police evidence and he said he would like to read it to.

          Sir Alfred North did not interview all of 10 policing and he needed to.

          I will not discuss the ex cops personal life and I have nothing to hide. He can name me for all I care, I might finally get the inquiry owed to me. At some point our paths will cross again.

    • Matthew Whitehead 2.4

      Sure, that's a reality of how it will be seen by the electorate, and that's likely why he took the "extra" step beyond the PM's requirements of resigning from the Party List. (Frankly IMO, he should have been told he'd be sacked from the Party, too) But if we're analyzing this in Realpolitik, there would be a tension between covering for him as a useful senior minister and the potential loss of votes from doing so. Ardern clearly didn't make her decision that way if you believe her comments at the press conference.

      • Ad 2.4.1

        Ardern is going to find it harder to hide her blushes as she ages into the role. For ILG it's just not necessary. It's not like anyone's going to disagree with firing him.

        Still, the next step is going through the Regular Client list from the Wellington brothels. The SpyVersusSpy of sexcrime will take a while to bottom out now.

        • Matthew Whitehead

          This isn't sex shaming, though. Every case we've had in the public eye thus far has involved major ethical violations, too. I'm okay with us going after people who can't keep their ethics straight, whether or not an affair is involved.

          • Ad

            There's no ethical consideration in sex?

            You might want to ask the person on the other end of ILG's relationship .They will feel exactly the same as the people who got the pictures sent to them from the National MP.

            The media have gone all-in to shame the Nat guy for it. As have commenters here.

            ILG wasn't fired for a commercial relationship, or a patronage relationship, or regularly playing Monopoly in front of the fire. You know what kind of relationship he was fired for.

            No need to be all buttoned-down because the left in government are screwing the crew and got caught.

            • Matthew Whitehead

              It's a social and personal matter if ILG behaves unethically in his relationship but it doesn't impact his public role, IMO. There's no issue of professional ethics. But in this case, and in Falloon’s case, it has been clear breach of professional conduct as well as being a terrible human being.

  3. Some regulars here will be surprised to read me saying that Ms Ardern nailed it this morning…even if the principled stand was also the convenient one.

    A staffer – even for an MP let alone a Minister – is in a terribly vulnerable position with regard to his or her employment: they can lose their job for any reason or none, and the politician never has to face any consequences (Parliamentary/Ministerial Services as the employer might, but usually the person is just quietly found another job).

    Given the censorship over here this bit of my comment may not last long, but there were persistent rumours about ILG "playing away" during my time, ten years or more ago. Of course he wasn't a Minister then.

    But still, a bouquet to the PM over her handling of this. Can't fault her really.

    • Robert Guyton 3.1

      What a paragon!

      • I Feel Love 3.1.1

        Robert, ha!!!!!

      • Not coming here often I am not sure of the commenting format…but if I read arright, you Mr Guyton are sarcastically suggesting that I see myself as some sort of paragon.

        Please find and cite reference to ANY such claim by me – either during my brief time as an MP or subsequently – and I will send the box of chocolate fish I recently won in a wager from a left wing journo direct to you. (Of course you'd have to actually provide contact details for me to do that, and lefties seem paranoid about doing that. Like other right wingers I am quite happy to disclose my actual address not just my e-mail….oops, is that a claim that I am "a paragon"?)

        [lprent: We don’t allow email addresses or phone numbers on this site for quite a prosaic reason. It makes us as a site a target for email and phone number harvesting bots. This increases the load on the server, so we don’t allow it. It also makes those addresses and phone numbers a target for bots and cold-calls. FFS you sound like you’re still living in the 1980s.

        Perhaps you should quell your quite evident abilities as a creative liar and just look at the obvious occasionally. Then I wouldn’t have to leave notes on your pathetic pleas to be regarded as a victim that I read most of the time when you’re here.

        Of course actually reading our policies would be a good start as well. You really mostly impress me as being a classic caricature of being a bit of a whining dickhead eh?]

        • te reo putake

          "Like other right wingers I am quite happy to disclose my actual address not just my e-mail …".

          Total honesty about your personal details is not what you're best remembered for David. Just sayin'.

        • KJT

          You should ask yourself why "left wingers" could be worried about giving out their details. Whereas "right wingers" including proto fascists, don't have to be concerned.

          • David Garrett

            Well, if I knew what a "proto fascist" is I might be able to comment! Am I are one? (I have received many online threats, both subtle and not so…my response is always : "I live in Kanohi Road Kaukapakapa…do come out and see me for a discussion, any time you like…but don't come unannounced at night…that can be problematic out here in the rural sector")

            • Robert Guyton

              " Am I are one? "


              • Mr Guyton: (If in fact that's your name, which is highly unlikely given where we are) Please do tell me what a "proto fascist" is…I suppose I could Google, but I really can't be bothered…I am however prepared to bet (I am a betting man) that without the assistance of Mr Google my accuser hasn't the faintest idea which country first embraced fascism…

                • Incognito

                  Too easy: Gondwanaland.

                  I think this sub-thread has now run its course.

                • Gabby

                  He may have meant neofascist. That would make more sense.

                • Robert Guyton

                  Well, David Garrett, my name is Robert Guyton, as advertised here (where we are) and if you can't be bothered Googling a phrase I won't bother giving you my opinion, 'cause I ain't your research assistant. You ordinarily roam Farrar's blog and stick out here like, well, you know what, so your unwillingness to learn for yourself the meaning of a label is not surprising but given that you've ventured out of your natural range, you might be a different sort of fish, so we'll/I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and expect that in the meantime, you have in fact, researched "proto-fascist" and know full-well its meaning. As for the "first country to embrace" – do tell?

                • Muttonbird

                  Hey, mate. Threatening or questioning the pseudo-anonymous status of commenters here is a bannable offence.

                  You spent most of Monday trying to out commenters identities on Farrar's forum. Just doesn't wash here.

    • Thanks for commenting, David. You'd know better than most how Iain Lees Galloway feels today.

      There's no censorship here at TS, but there is a close eye being kept on unsubstantiated gossip and anything that crosses the line will be deleted.

      • Matthew Whitehead 3.2.1

        Remember, the law technically makes it the Trust's responsibility if a libelous claim is posted here, so this isn't just a matter of moderation policy. You need to have receipts if you want to claim that sort of thing online rn, and the contributors to the Trust shouldn't have to pick up the tab for you to do so if someone gets lawsuit-trigger-happy. Do it on your own blog or social media.

        • lprent

          That is a good statement of why I roam the comments section and why I spend time looking at what the moderators found worth looking at.

          I'm personally (as a trustee and an individual) adverse to spending time in court. On the other hand I'm not adverse to causing damage up to bankruptcy to whomever wastes my personal time trying to send me there either.

    • Robert Guyton 3.3

      Why would we be surprised to read you saying that the PM "nailed it"?

      She did. We know that. You acknowledge that. No surprises here!

    • mickysavage 3.4

      So can I take it that you think that Collins' handling of Falloon's issues is not optimal? Trying to pass his behaviour off as a mental health issue appears to be not great.

  4. Mr Nobody 4

    Personally I think it is overdue that the media place ALL of our politicians on the rack and expose every piece of dirt. Let us the voters decide whether they the people we vote for represent us warts and all and not just the persona's they want to portray to us.

  5. Treetop 5

    There is some sort of revolution going on and women are leading it. Power imbalance, what a person's core values and beliefs are will be questioned by women when men overstep the territory of women.

    Men will not be able to hide from behaviour which in the past was excused or covered up when it came to demeaning a woman and not understanding what her objection or complaint is about.

    Being a 60 year old woman I see 2 types of men, those who get there is a revolution led by woman about unacceptable male behaviour and those who do not get it what acceptable male behaviour is publicly or in private.

  6. Dennis Frank 6

    Well, I have to say that I listened carefully to the PM, and didn't hear her identify what the guy did wrong. Your interpretation may be correct – but how will we ever know??

    I respect her right to hire & fire ministers according to how she feels about them, but the morality of the situation seems to be irrelevant to her decision. Maybe she simply felt she didn't need to explain that to the public?

    I realise the days when politicians were expected to provide moral leadership are long gone, of course. So the lack from her is understandable.

    • observer 6.1

      If you don't think the PM has provided any moral leadership, you must have spent the last 3 years in a cave.

      • Dennis Frank 6.1.1

        I don't think that. I was pointing to her lack of explanation of whatever morality influenced her decision. She did declare her intent to not go into details. Obviously wanted to keep to the essentials. Fair enough. I just feel that making assertions of why she made the decision without that basis of evidence is mere speculation.

    • Denis: You can't have been listening old boy. She spelled out clearly what he did wrong: he bonked a person who had virtually no power compared with him, and to make it worse, he did it while he was the Minister Responsible for workplace relations or whatever it's called now.

      As you of course know, my politics are the polar opposite of most if not all of those commenting here, but it was crystal clear to me both why she sacked him, and why that was the correct thing to do.

      • Dennis Frank 6.2.1

        Just your take, David. I'll believe it when quotes of what she actually said show up here to prove it! I'm just as good at reading her intent as you, and I see it as pragmatic removal of a political liability. Reading morality into it is spurious and unjustified unless fact and evidence provide a basis. Consensual, right?

        • Shanreagh

          Yes consensual and away from the office. Free agents to conduct an extramarital affair. Apart from the moral aspects about him being married etc.

          PM has lost confidence in him at a time when she will have undoubtedly wanted her parliamentarians to be squeaky clean.

        • Lucy

          No not consensual – consent is between equals!!!!!!!!!!!! If one party is in a servant status no consent can be given. In simple terms a person under 16 can not consent (even if some judges don't get that), a person whose employment is controlled by another person can not consent. So if they worked together and he was her Minister then there is no possibility of consent.

          • Shanreagh

            The affair apparently happened after the adviser left the office and the agency. So that employment nexus was broken. Out of the office as two individuals free to do as they wanted except for moral strictures.

            The person was not under 16 as I understand it.

            The person's employment was not controlled by the Minister at the time they embarked on an affair as I understand it.

          • Dennis Frank

            Didn't the PM describe their relationship as consensual?? That's what I recall happening. Are you saying she was wrong to do that?

            • Shanreagh

              I understand the relationship was consensual.

              Not all relationships that start at work have a big bad black mark against them. Not all relationships that start at work between a boss and a staff member have a big black mark mark against them, or suffer from an imbalance of power scenario. The key is whether the approach for a relationship, say to go out, is welcomed by both.

              If it is not welcomed and then all sorts of coercive things happen then that is not appropriate and would be classed as harassment. If it is not welcomed and nothing further happens, then nothing further happens.

              Many people I know have had relationships at work that have worked out and some that have not. In the have nots mostly both parties have conducted themselves well. Some have asked to go to different parts of the work place and this has usually been offered to them.

              In the 1940s my very upright and honourable uncle, an insurance company boss, asked out and subsequently married my aunt who worked in his office and was younger than he was. My aunt, had she not welcomed the approach, to go out would have said no. The marriage lasted over 50 years

              A relationship that is coercive or not welcomed does not usually last 12months as this one of ILG did.

      • Grafton Gully 6.2.2

        " a person who had virtually no power compared with him" has the REAL POWER to publicly humiliate him. And remain anonymous.

    • weka 6.3

      Well, I have to say that I listened carefully to the PM, and didn't hear her identify what the guy did wrong. Your interpretation may be correct – but how will we ever know??

      It's explained very clearly in the post Dennis. You can't have a sexual relationship with staff in your office when you are a Minister, and you definitely can't when you're the Minister for Workplace Relations. How is this not obvious?

      • I Feel Love 6.3.1

        It seemed pretty obvious to me too, she repeated it often enough, very clear.

      • Dennis Frank 6.3.2

        I just pointed out that she did not actually specify those reasons. Fact versus assumptions. Is there a relevant clause in the cabinet manual?

        She didn't even accuse him of having this consensual relationship when the woman was working in his office, did she? So that bit is pure speculation.

        I recall hearing her say that she was not going to go into the details. Did you not also hear that??

        • Matthew Whitehead

          For starters, Section 3.51(c) of the cabinet manual: Avoidance of conflict between public duty and personal interests. Forming a relationship with someone you manage inherently compromises your ability to make decisions about anything related to them, and isn't appropriate without prior arrangement to hand off decision-making duties to someone else.

          There's also section 2.56 saying Ministers most both uphold and be seen to uphold the "highest ethical standards," both in personal and professional communications. There's potentially issues with 2.63. (a personal conflict of interest)

          The Prime Minister hasn't made clear exactly what decision-making was compromised in order to protect the privacy of the individual involved in the affair, but IMO that's okay. He's not running again and that is the appropriate outcome for anything short of illegal behaviour.

          • Dennis Frank

            Forming a relationship with someone you manage inherently compromises your ability to make decisions about anything related to them, and isn't appropriate without prior arrangement to hand off decision-making duties to someone else.

            Irrelevant, n'est ce pas?? He wasn't her manager. 2.56 is relevant, but enforcing it would apparently eliminate most current parliamentarians. A good thing? Probably, but we can only test it by departing from random arbitrary application, and requiring our politicians to adhere to their rules consistently.

            A good method for achieving that would be to create the Parliamentary Enforcement Bureau – since the speaker clearly can't cope with enforcement challenges. Hold a competition amongst the nation's designers to see who can come up with the best fancy uniforms for the PEB enforcers. I look forward to this suggestion emanating from our moral zealots sometime soon…

            • weka

              Do you believe Ardern sacked ILG because of morals? Which ones exactly?

              • Dennis Frank

                No. I can see why some suspect that though. I believe her reasons were those she expressed in her press conference – but other reasons that she didn't express may have also influenced her decision…

            • Matthew Whitehead

              Not being a direct manager in an operational sense isn't particularly relevant if one is at the top of the policy heirarchy, and all of one's policy decisions can be called into question in the light of an inappropriate relationship.

              I disagree about "most," unless you're talking about the National Party specifically. I mention it here because of the distinction between having actually done something wrong and putting yourself in a position where a reasonable person would perceive you as compromised. ILG is certainly in that position.

      • Shanreagh 6.3.3

        She apparently was NOT in his office though? She was a departmental employee. Big difference.

        • Matthew Whitehead

          Not really. In his office means he does operational management as well, but in his department still gives him wide policy control over decisions in their workplace which then all become potentially tainted by whether they were made due to sound policy advice or being influenced by his relationship.

          • Shanreagh

            Bit mixed up there I think.

            I am thinking they may have worked as a portfolio adviser in his office and were employed by MS or they were employed by dept and seconded, or came over and briefed once twice or more times a week. I have worked with 2 Cabinet Ministers from Nat/Lab with Ministerial powers in diverse legislation over 5 years ie who had legislatory or regulatory responsibilities and these were not handled in the way you suggest.

            We and the depts kept everything clean and clear so the decision making chain was clean/clear and impartial having regard to the legislation etc. Otherwise we left everyone open for a judicial review on process grounds as opposed to merit grounds.

            Ministers had/have no reach into the dept in regulatory/legislative matters. To have had this would have severely compromised the advice he was getting in order to exercise an impartial decision making under the legislation/regulations. He could provide the dept with Govt policy that could be taken into the briefing materials but this could not conflict with the legislative advice that was being given

            Ministers always knew who had prepared the material and would often call for additional information from or through me as adviser. On particularly gnarly ones CE and/or dept'l people would be invited over to talk through work with us on the legislative issues in depth….often with legal advisers as well.

            Ministers would have no reach into the dept in policy matters either.

            The sense of imbalance diminishes the further you get away from an adviser or staff member working in the parliamentary office. A person preparing material and or briefing a Minister while physically located in a dept is far away from reach of the Minister and under the protection, as it were, of the CE/Secretary or other name of the departmental head.

            • Dennis Frank

              The PM seems to have felt that her decision was not moral – it was driven by her confidence in his judgment. Herald reporter quoting her here: https://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&objectid=12350095

              While the woman had worked in Less-Galloway's office, the relationship had started while she was working in one of his agencies. Nevertheless, Ardern said she no longer had confidence in Lees-Galloway's judgement.

              "I am wary about making moral judgements here," she said. "For me this is about a demonstration of judgement; it's about whether I maintain confidence.

            • Matthew Whitehead

              It's not mixed up. You're right that matters get more operational closer to the ground, (although it doesn't sound like this person was a ground-level employee) but policy vs operational is the official name in the cabinet manual for what sort of matters ministers may or may not be involved with in their areas of responsibility, respectively, and are a known delineation of executive power. This is different from the normal meaning of "policy" and could be taken as a delineation between political actions of the executive and non-political if you prefer those terms.

              I'm not even talking about who calls for what official advice. I'm talking about a lack of confidence that the relationship wouldn't cause ILG to be symapthetic to this person's views on various decisions he had to make as Minister that might influence their work or workplace, of which there are plenty. Government departments are certainly guided by independent advice on the law and can make their own decisions, but that doesn't mean Ministerial directives have no influence, either.

              I take Ardern at her word when she says ILG's political decisions were sufficiently compromised – or would have appeared so to a reasonable observer- by his behaviour. I have every reason to trust her judgement here, and I don't understand why you're second-guessing it.

    • Matthew Whitehead 6.4

      He had a relationship with someone whose department he was responsible for managing, while they were working there. It is an inherent conflict of interest, it is a perceived conflict of interest even if he always made rigorous and fair decisions, and the PM has said some of his actions during that time were not up to the standard she expects either. It leaves him vulnerable to blackmail, and it likely means he failed to declare any conflicts that arose due to the relationship, too, in order to keep it secret.

      I'm 100% ride or die that ministers cheating of itself is none of the public's business, even if we feel like it shows they're "not honest." (most MPs aren't, they're just good at not getting caught, sadly) That said, I would require them to disclose that they're cheating to the PM so they didn't make any unethical decisions and could be recused out, which I think practically won't happen, lol.

      That crack about moral leadership is a bit much in my opinion. This is honestly the first Prime Minister in my lifetime where I have been completely satisfied with their handling of scandals, if not the timing of all of that handling.

      • Dennis Frank 6.4.1

        He had a relationship with someone whose department he was responsible for managing, while they were working there.

        How do you know? I didn't hear the PM say that. I thought I heard her say it happened after that, when the woman had shifted to a different dept.

        If you are right, I'd agree. And she has handled it well. But my view of moral leadership, in respect of contemporary society, is that it works best if the rationale for decisions is explained. That enables others to evaluate the moral basis of the decision – or the lack thereof.

        • Matthew Whitehead

          She said it happened after they were a staffer, but staffers are political employees and are a different thing to departmental employees. That they were also a former staffer of his is just context that establishes a prior professional relationship.

          I think explaining decisions and being transparent is good, but there's a tension there with protecting the privacy of parties who haven't done wrong- and whoever he had an affair with is such a party. The PM is operating according to high ethical standards in protecting their identity and I am fully in support of that.

        • Shanreagh

          As you will know DF Ministers don't manage departments. CEs appointed by SSC etc manage departments.

          If the person was a portfolio ministerial adviser in ILG's office then it is bad. it is a workplace situation.

          If the two met while one was a person from a dept was advising the Minister from time to time and got together after the person moved from that department then to me it is a case of acting on a mutual attraction. The person was free to decline advances just as we all all are. They apparently did not. Had an affair. Unbecoming conduct from both but sadly not rare either in Parlt or in the wider world. .

          • Matthew Whitehead

            This is… a little incorrect. There are ethical issues with a relationship with ANYONE in a department whose policy direction a Minister is responsible for, because it becomes untenable to claim that the relationship isn't affecting any policy decisions the minister makes that might positively impact them or negatively impact others. Whether there's actual compromise in judgement or not, the perception of unethical behaviour in that matter is the standard the cabinet manual holds them to, and that Ministers need to avoid.

            ILG can't have a sexual relationship with anyone under him in any of his portfolios IMO without compromising himself, and he CERTAINLY can't then fail to disclose such a relationship to the Prime Minister at the first reasonable opportunity.

            (And yes, Ministers manage Ministries and Departments, but they manage the policy direction, not the operations)

            • Dennis Frank

              So are all workplace liaisons nowadays deemed unacceptable if there's a rank differential? Or is it just that parliamentarians are being discriminated against by the pc police? Seems wacky, either way you look at it.

              I'd rather human nature prevailed over idealistic zealotry. Why should folks be required to eliminate their career if they fall for someone they meet in their workplace? What a disgusting bullshit scheme that is.

              • Matthew Whitehead

                I replied to this point elsewhere in the thread, but the relevant factor is that this person was in his managerial sphere of responsibility. Let's say there's an organization with multiple Ministers responsible for it, and ILG manages half of it. As long as an employee worked in and stayed in the other half, ILG could have an unconflicted relationship with them under reasonable professional ethics, but they would need to declare it to the CEO and the PM to avoid conflicts in joint decisions with the other Minister, and so that there was no temptation to move to the other half of the org.

                This isn't about being "PC." This is about whether we can trust that Ministers are making decisions that are at least ostensibly for the public benefit.

                • Matthew Whitehead

                  I should also point out: I know we live in a small country and a lot of people meet partners at work, but… it is not the primary reason anyone goes to a workplace, and people should respect that, and maintain good professional conduct.

              • Shanreagh

                DF Yes there is this 'idealistic zealotry' about now. We are fired up and getting right into it for two days in fact. Hypocrisy unfortunately is one of the 'flowers' that sprout when talking about affairs whether parliamentary or otherwise. Workplaces are recognised and usual places for romances, affairs, loves, break-ups to happen. This is not going to stop happening and nor should it.

                No mater when or how the relationship started or continued the PM has no confidence in ILG ie one of her Ministers. She apparently said it was not on moral grounds so I took from that the mere fact of the affair was not the concern but was of concern perhaps is that ILG has missed several opportunities (while going, when it ended, when he was found 'in flagrante') to let her know about his unexploded bomb.

                If he has missed these then how could she rely on him to be upfront on other issues that might cross the portfolio/s.

                • Dennis Frank

                  Yeah, he seems to have not figured out that he needed to declare the affair – or else deliberately chose to hide it, more likely! This other Herald report illuminates the PM's stance: https://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&objectid=12349940

                  Ardern said ministers having affairs was not necessarily inappropriate behaviour, and it depended on each individual circumstance. But Lees-Galloway's position was untenable because he was the Minister for Workplace Relations and Safety, and he had opened himself up to accusations of improperly using his power.

                  "He has not modelled the behaviour I expect as a minister in charge of setting a standard and culture in workplaces," Ardern said.

                  The Prime Minister did not want to identify the woman involved, but added that she wasn't an intern.

                  Asked about whether it was now open season on MPs' affairs, she said the compelling factor was the perception of the inappropriate use of his ministerial position, in particular the Workplace and Safety portfolio.

                  Ardern wouldn't be drawn on whether affairs were automatically conduct unbecoming of a minister, saying that she would deal with each particular circumstance.

                  I deduce from this that she doesn't see any moral rule applying in general to ministerial affairs. I'm tempted to draw the further conclusion that political morality is simply `make it up as you go along'.

            • Shanreagh

              If a departmental person felt conflicted they have all the protections of their department, all depts/agencies have conflicts registers and a relationship could have been advised and then the usual risk mitigation exercises carried out.

              The key thing is the timing and the location. The possible power imbalance diminishes the further away you get from an employee having an affair with one's boss while employed in the actual parliamentary office of the Minister ('boss')

              A consensual affair that starts after the person ceases to be an employee and ceases to work for any agency advising the Minister is possibly sleazy and conduct unbecoming as he is married.

              In not coming clean about this ILG lost the confidence of the PM. When should he have come clean is the question?
              Obviously there will be some who say, as soon as he embarked on the affair…..perhaps depending on who was the instigator of the ending then ILG could have come clean and fallen on his sword and left office then. At the ending is a well time for things to come out. If he was found ‘in flagrante’ then at that time.

              He didn’t. PM is right to have lost confidence.

  7. swordfish 7

    This doesn’t mean that there aren’t also women behaving inappropriately, neoliberal patriarchy is quite happy to allow women into positions of power so long as they play by the patriarchal rules (not too many women though, because then things might change towards egalitarian structures).

    Riiiight … so when women bosses do it …. it's entirely against their own will, is it ? … as much as they abhor having to initiate a sexual relationship with someone they have power over, they're just reluctantly trying to conform, are they ? … forced to play by the patriarchal rules.


    Intersectionality: The dogmatic belief in eternally virtuous demographics vs eternally evil demographics = massive, systematic double-standards & a quite sickening hypocrisy.

    Not so much “Patriarchy” as All Power Corrupts (regardless of which demographic weilds it)

    • weka 7.1

      you put words in my mouth as an author again, anywhere on site, and you will get banned. Only warning, given there's history.

      If on the other hand you would like to discuss what I actually meant, I'm happy to do that where there is a clear indication for good faith debate.

    • Treetop 7.2

      Women demeaning men or any other identified gender is not to be tolerated either.

    • Matthew Whitehead 7.3

      There is a context of unequal power leveraged against people even perceived as female, (regardless of how they feel about their own gender or sex) yes. That doesn't mean that if I have a female boss and she comes onto me that it's appropriate. It's not, and she should suffer the same consequences a man does- but it's less likely to happen, because most women have been subjected to unwanted advances and are determined that it's wrong.

      There has been a history of women having to "consent" to relationships or sexist harassment to advance their career in certain fields, and hell, it's probably still going on in many industries to one degree or another- I was reading yesterday about a video games studio in Canada where the bosses would play raunchy songs about characters named after female employees when they left the room in high-level meetings.

      (By coincidence, this company also refused to make games with only a female lead, as “women don’t sell games,” apparently, despite all evidence to the contrary)

      Patriarchy is not about how men are "evil" as a demographic. It's about how some men who abuse power have created a system where women can't be as confident that they will be treated as favourably as men are, and can't be as confident that the "good" men will stand up for their rights and dignity as men can be about women.

      Patriarchy also hurts men: it creates the expectation that we should play along with sickening harassment, that we should be treated as financial providers and protectors of women rather than that we should all be able to stand individually or together as we choose, and that men must be tough, or strong, or unemotional, or [insert other toxic meme here.] It expects less of us and thinks we should be okay getting a free ride. I want to be judged for my competencies equally to my female colleagues, and I don’t want them receiving either unfair harassment or unfair favour due to their attractiveness to some manager who can’t meet ethical standards. I’d also like them to be paid the same rate for the same standard of work as I am, because I have a lot of women I care about as people and in my family and they deserve to be treated better.

      You don't have to agree with that theory, but it's well-evidenced, and you shouldn't straw-man it when you don't understand it yet.

      • Nic the NZer 7.3.1

        "You don't have to agree with that theory, but it's well-evidenced, and you shouldn't straw-man it when you don't understand it yet."

        On the contrary the basis for the philosophy behind many of the concepts referenced in that paragraph reject reason being the basis for their existence. Specifically even if none of your examples can be cited, even if there is zero statistical evidence for the biases described and even if nothing like that happened with ILG in this case then patriarchal exploitation was regardless the underlying cause.


        "With the resistance to traditional forms of knowledge making (science, religion, language), inquiry, communication, and building meaning take on different forms to the post-structuralist."

        Unfortunately the (absurd) comment above which implies the ILG case should be referred to the police next, is equally as viable a meaning as anything Swordfish or yourself has conveyed about this event.

        Exactly the right response to this kind of nonsense is to make fun, because its exactly the reasoning equivalent of violating the law of non-contradiction in Mathematics, once that is done "anything follows from a contradiction.".


  8. woodart 8

    its good that judith collins showed the same class that jacinda has by not running to the media for a hit,oh wait…..

  9. observer 9

    I'll put this here, even though I'd really like to put it all over the media and social media as various idiots say the reason was "Collins going public made Ardern do it" – a depressingly high number of people …

    When Collins was on the AM Show, Ardern had already sacked him yesterday.

    Met ILG 5.45pm on Tuesday. Said at press conference: “Over the course of the conversation with the minister, it became clear to me that his position as a minister was untenable. I advised him of that at the time”.

    This opposition tactic of anticipating the past is not new (see Simon Bridges in lockdown) but I suppose it works for them if people can't grasp the concept of time.

    • observer 9.1

      Gonna tap this sign. Gonna tap it some more.


      Not at the press conference this morning. Sorry, but time really matters. Collins shat on a sacked minister, and stoked rumours about all the Ministers. All for short-term headlines (a few hours).

      She is *****.

  10. rrm 10

    Gone by lunchtime.

    Does anyone imagine for a MOMENT that Jacinda would have acted this fast, if Crusher hadn't just shown her how it's done by crushing Falloon on Monday?

    Labour MPs under Ardern can previously expect to live on for MONTHS after their indiscretions are made public, while the party stonewalls. Ask Claire Curran, ask Meka Whaitiri, ask David Clark.

    Crusher makes Jacinda look like a girl trying to do a woman's job, and today's events show that Jacinda knows it.

    In the interests of unbiased coverage, when will the media be knocking on ILG's mum's door and asking her for comment?

    • Drowsy M. Kram 10.1

      It's a marathon (with hurdles) – in a sprint Crusher is typically slower out of the blocks.

    • observer 10.2

      You are so absurdly out of touch with reality it is hilarious. Or would be, if not so sad for our country.

      Falloon was "crushed" by the truth. Collins wanted to leave it alone. Have you forgotten already? ("mental health … matter has been dealt with" – Collins, 2 pm Monday).

      Before Ardern acted (honourably), National did nothing. If Ardern had not acted, Andrew Falloon would today be part of your strong, united team.

      But you know this already, of course.

    • Matthew Whitehead 10.3

      lol please

      And sure, the media shouldn't harass Faloon's family. I don't think that means they need to harass ILG's too because some of them are so unethical they did it last time, but it's entirely possible they will do it, because some of them have no standards.

      As to your main point, I'll simply say: I wouldn't trade Collins for Ardern, and I wouldn't trade Ardern for Davidson, either.

    • Draco T Bastard 10.4

      Does anyone imagine for a MOMENT that Jacinda would have acted this fast, if Crusher hadn't just shown her how it's done by crushing Falloon on Monday?

      As observer points out above, Adern acted far faster and more appropriately than Collins did.

      Crusher makes Jacinda look like a girl trying to do a woman's job, and today's events show that Jacinda knows it.

      No, today proves that Collins is still playing Dirty Politics.

      And proves that your nothing more than a National Party fan-bois who will do anything to defend National's immoral actions.

      • rrm 10.4.1

        You might have to help me out Draco I'm a bit slow today being a RWNJ and all..

        • Someone went to Ardern with a complaint about a National MP. Ardern notified Collins, Collins sacked her MP.
        • Someone went to Collins with a complaint about a Labour Minister. Collins notified Ardern, Ardern sacked her MP.

        Somehow, you contend that this is further evidence of Collins' Dirty Politics?

        Dirty Politics is apparently just Original Sin for the 21st century. Nobody can quite say what it is, but everybody I want to tilt against definitely posesses it.

        • observer

          Collins told media first, Ardern didn't.

          I doubt you are that slow.

        • In Vino

          By grotesquely over-simplifying things, you make two differing cases sound the same. Infantile drivel.

          • rrm

            Sorry I forgot, it's completely different when someone on the left does it.

            • observer

              Differences have been explained multiple times, on this thread and others.

              You simply choose not to address them.

              • Draco T Bastard

                He will do anything, no matter how immoral, to defend the National Party and his leaders. Its in his psychology and, in fact, the psychology of the right in general (I'd link to the study but can't find it – meh, I've linked to it before).

    • Gabby 10.5

      They''ll be knocking on Druncan's door and asking how long he and Codger spent rehearsing their interview play.

    • anker 10.6

      rrm. your comments about Jacinda are ridiculous and note worthy of the time to set you straight

  11. tsmithfield 11

    The events of the last few days look very much like dirty politics to me from both sides.

    I think it is a real stretch to think it coincidental that Faloon's misdemeanors should come to light at exactly the moment that Collins was grabbing headlines in the pointy end of the election cycle. These details could have been brought to light at any time prior to that, but weren't.

    Saying the above in no way minimises my view that Faloon is a fool and a creep to do what he did.

    Neither do I think it is coincidental that Lee's Galloway should be outed several days after.

    This has all the hallmark of tit-for-tat dirty politics to me.

    I hope this isn't going to be the way the rest of the election will be run, and both sides will focus on the issues from now on.

    • Matthew Whitehead 11.1

      He issued the press release himself, they came to light because journalists did their job and investigated. That false equivalency is a ridiculous stretch, as usual.

    • observer 11.2

      I certainly agree that we don't want to go into a downward, dirty spiral.

      But some facts on the timeline: Falloon's behaviour had already been raised by the first woman's family, with the police. The cops decided not to prosecute (based on the limited info then, with Falloon lying to them). We don't know who else they contacted to try and get something done. Eventually they wrote to PM's office.

      So they did not sit on the info, and this was in a short space of time (Falloon sent texts early July).

      Whereas … ILG's affair/behaviour had ended well before. It had lasted for months. Then suddenly … last night.

      So the "both sides" line really doesn't stack up.

      • Treetop 11.2.1

        It keeps being overlooked that a third party was involved in the disclosure. This is the give away for me that the ILG situation was being saved for a rainy day.

        So partly dirty politics, partly lack of judgement from ILG and partly public opinion.

    • bwaghorn 11.3

      There a large difference between quietly passing info through back channels to another "leader" and shitting on the carpet as you leave on a morning news show.

  12. gsays 12

    At the risk of outing myself as a fuddy duddy….

    Any minister having an extra marital affair, should be close to losing their job.

    If one can not be trusted by those nearest to them, how can they be trusted by the rest of us.

    Trust is an all too rare commodity nowadays.

    • I Feel Love 12.1

      I dig your logic gsays, amazing how a lot of people don't connect that, how someone can lie to their partner for days, months, years, the parent of their child, their family, and yet they are to be trusted by everyone else? I'm certainly more ambivalent about infidelity than I used to be, but the logic of trust should be a factor in showing integrity. It ain't that hard to not cheat, or at least be honest to your partner, imo.

      • gsays 12.1.1

        I've never been keen on infidelity having known a few adulterers in my time. They had shared an arrogance or confidence that wasn't necessarily overt. Also a strong streak of how important their needs were.

        All of them thought no-one else knew, that they were 'getting away with it'.

    • bwaghorn 12.2

      You're not alone there in you fud dudery , I agree whole heartedly .

      I've noticed more than a few here have no problem with fence bounding probably because it calms their guilt.

      Confession time, to my shame as a young drunk I was on the other side of the fence when someone jumped it an found me lying there so no I'm not pure but I have grown up.

  13. The Lone Haranguer 13

    All people do dumb shit. Some get caught, and some dont.

    Im a bit concerned that there will be nobody perfect enough to actually stand for any party by September.

    I would suggest that our MPs are a representative bunch who reflect all of us, and none of us are perfect.

  14. rod 14

    Last week Judith said she was done with dirty tricks. Well that didn't last long.

  15. Simon Louisson 15

    I think this business is about Dirty Politics and political optics.
    Long-term affairs like this are rarely a secret in Parliament. For example, everyone in the Press Gallery when I worked there knew about the affair between David Lange and his speech writer Margaret Pope long before one media outlet decided to expose it for political and commercial exploitation. (Some argued, with reason that the gallery journos should not have been so discrete.)
    Collins is already in a desperate situation. Three of her senior women MPs had decided enough was enough, then came the Falloon fiasco, and then she was creamed in her first encounter at Question Time, with Ardern. She desperately needed to deflect attention, so she reached into her Dirty Politics handbag and pulled out Iain Lees-Galloway which I am fairly sure she would have long known about.
    On the optics front, Ardern (who very likely also already knew about the affair), had to show she was more decisive than Collins. ILG was shoved under the bus and Collins once again has been neatly outflanked.
    By failing to keep his zip up, ILG put himself in a vulnerable position where he could easily be put under the bus and you can't argue against Matthew Whitehead's coherent and valid arguments that ILG was in a position of power. Still, I think you also have to allow some agency to the woman involved. The affair continued after she quit. In Margaret Pope's case, she not only went on to marry Lange after he split with Naomi, but was hugely influential in Lange famously calling for a "cup of tea" on Labour's monetarist experiment and the subsequent split in the government that led to them being turfed out of office in 1990.

    • Gabby 15.1

      What a shame none of you had the guts to mention it at the time.

      • Simon Louisson 15.1.1

        Are you trying to say that if the affair was outed earlier then it may have been stopped in its tracks and Douglas et al would have been able to continue the monetarist experiment including the 20% flat tax proposal?

  16. bwaghorn 16

    As far as I'm concerned, if you that dishonest that you'll lie to supposedly one of the closest people to you how the fuck are you to be trusted as a politician???

    Btw weka I've noticed that when I'm on mobile I often dont see more than just the headline to your posts, and have to switch to desktop to see the text of your post .

    The comments show up ,just not the actual post text itself.

  17. KJT 17

    From Reybon Khan." A consensual office affair may be many things: 'juicy gossip’; ‘a symptom’; ‘a cliche.’
    What it isn’t is a crime.
    I reckon a consensual affair is what adults often do behind closed doors. (Assuming the doors were closed.) Yet this affair is being thrown at Labour as tit-for-tat to change the subject from unsolicited porn, as if a consensual relationship is equivalent.
    The timing is the giveaway. This wasn't a pressing issue for National at any time during the year-long affair. Suddenly, months after it’s over, it becomes urgent and relevant to National — because they need mud, any mud, to sling at Labour.
    Right now, there are people in the National Party high-fiving the fact that everyone is discussing a consensual office affair, which ended months ago — instead of their deeds, eg privacy invasion and unsolicited porn.
    But unlike an affair, privacy leaks and sexual harassment fall in a different category: ‘possibly a crime.’
    Our attention is diverted. The tactics worked. Dirty politics scores again.
    And if an affair is a sackable offence, doesn't that mean mass unemployment in media and politics?"

    • observer 17.1

      Unfortunately TV1 news have just backed up what you say.

      Of course we can't expect depth and detail from TV news, but even a once-over-lightly summary should be able to include the obvious difference between consent, and no consent. They didn't bother.

      Blurring the two is, as you say, what Collins & co wanted, and they got it. But I still think the PM's high ground is going to be more appealing to the voters overall. Collins will get her RW base cheering ("Crusher scores! Yay!") but swing voters know and like Jacinda's approach better.

      • I Feel Love 17.1.1

        Ben Thomas was blurring the 2 on twitter, the power imbalance insinuates she didn't give consent, or some slippery argument. That's maybe where tv1 got it from. But, the Falloon thing has legs, it'll be ongoing, ILG (unless there is more to come) is yesterdays news, all Collins has done is highlight the porno phone guy, instead of bury it.

        • I Feel Love

          My mistake, not Ben Thomas, I can't find it, apologies to Ben, someone else.

  18. Peter 18

    Trevett, Herald:

    "Collins – like Ardern – did the right thing in passing the information she had on to Ardern's office.

    But Collins did not do the right thing by publicly revealing she had done that, rather than waiting for Ardern to make her own decisions and act.

    The challenge for all leaders is to clean up their own house – not to point at the neighbour's and say it was just as filthy.

    At the moment, all the voters see of Parliament is a pigsty."

    In a flash we have it, Judith Collins = Miss Piggy

  19. Brian Tregaskin 19

    So are Newshub involved in the dirty politics by asking Judith before 8am Asked by host Duncan Garner if she had "received anything about Labour ministers or Labour MPs", Collins said: "I have actually".


    So who tipped Newshub off -is the question everyone should be asking.? If the public of NZ are disinterested to demand answers from Newshub perhaps we all deserve a National Govt and a MSM to run AWOL unchallenged!

    • observer 19.1

      I mentioned this on the other thread:


      So much has happened today that this crucial point is being lost. Timeline:

      1, Collins' staffer told Garner what to ask.

      2. Garner followed the instruction, and asked.

      3. Collins answered, pretending that the question was Garner's, not planted.

      4. Her answer was sufficiently vague (Labour, not ILG) to smear.

      5. Approx 3 hours of speculation.

      6. Ardern holds press conference, announces that ILG had been sacked the evening before.

      7. At subsequent stand-up, Collins tells reporters that she simply answered a question. She does not tell reporters that her staff had planted the question.

      People really need to know and understand what happened. But who is telling them?

      • Muttonbird 19.1.1

        I feel like the cycle will have moved on before anyone really gets to grill Collins on this but there are at least two articles I've seen where Judith is either having to defend herself against accusations of Dirty Politics and political corruption, or is being criticised for her actions in this case.

        Most of the serious reporters are onto it. Not so much tabloid journalists like Garner and Duplicity-Allen.

        • RedBaronCV

          Give them a bit longer and some of the journalists may wind up being seriously annoyed by Judith dragging them into her little power games.

          She's played the mental health card to cover sleazy behaviour by her MP and then largely violated the unwritten rule that consensual adult stuff gets left out on the range.

          What do they do now about the next affair they know or hear about? Do they run the ruler over it and out it for conflicts of interest etc if they think they exist or not? How do they find out when it started or ceased. Interview the participants?

          Or do the chiefs of staff or whips for the various leaders and parties simply swap lists of all the malefactors who have misbehaved since they entered parliament – oh to be watching – and then decide who deserves an outing? Do they let the press watch so they can check for their own names? Can we all watch ? It would sink all electioneering without trace and none of us would get any work done.

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    Well, the first 36 hours of viewing the Christopher Luxon selfie were always going to be the best, before the repetitions set in. We get it, already. He’s an extroverted/big ego/high achieving/God fearing/country music lovin’/family man who is not at all averse to mansplaining to little ladies like RNZ’s Kathryn ...
    2 hours ago
  • NZ Politics Daily: 2 December 2021
    Today’s NZPD testimonial from Andy Newman, Director, Strategy and Planning, Wellington Faculty of Science, Victoria University of Wellington: “The NZ Politics Daily service allows me to keep on top of the latest developments across a wide spectrum of the political landscape. The service means I don’t need to spend time trawling ...
    Democracy ProjectBy bryce.edwards
    3 hours ago
  • Josh Van Veen: Bridges isn’t the one
    Simon Bridges is “older and wiser” but he still failed to read the room. Rather than accept the judgement of his colleagues last year, he set out to prove them wrong. Bridges rationalised his pursuit of the leadership as noble self-sacrifice. He didn’t convince many. Judith Collins stabbed him in ...
    Democracy ProjectBy bryce.edwards
    4 hours ago
  • The Fellowship Of The Upper Room.
    Render Unto Caesar: What kind of Christian would attempt to persuade his brothers and sisters that the moral imperatives of their faith must not, under any circumstances, be given practical expression in the flesh-and-blood world they inhabit? To suggest, as Luxon does, that faith and politics can – and should ...
    4 hours ago
  • FLOATER: A Tool-Kit for evaluating Claims
    This is a re-post from the Thinking is Power website maintained by Melanie Trecek-King where she regularly writes about many aspects of critical thinking in an effort to provide accessible and engaging critical thinking information to the general public. Please see this overview to find links to other reposts from Thinking is Power. ...
    16 hours ago
  • More solar
    The other day I posted about the renewable energy challenge if Aotearoa is to meet its climate change goals, arguing that we can do it. Today, Christchurch Airport has stepped up, providing another big chunk of what we need to get to a greener 2035, in the form of a ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    19 hours ago
  • When will we follow Barbados?
    Barbados became a republic last night, ending nearly 400 years of British colonialism: After 396 years, the sun has set on the British monarchy’s reign over the Caribbean island of Barbados, with a handover ceremony at midnight on Monday marking the birth of the world’s newest republic. As the ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    21 hours ago
  • What Else Do We Know About Luxon?
    What do we know so far about Christopher (or is it to be “Chris”?) Luxon? We have so far been allowed to know only that he was chief executive of Air New Zealand, that he is an evangelical Christian (that is, a proselytising, and not just your everyday,) Christian, and ...
    Bryan GouldBy Bryan Gould
    23 hours ago
  • Something is missing from this picture
    Yesterday the National Party picked a new leader, who seems indistinguishable from the last-but-one. Today, Stuff has an article exploring where he stands on the "big issues", which looks at "faith and politics", "identity and housing", "three Waters and He Puapua", and "health and social investment". What's missing? Just climate ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    23 hours ago
  • Chris Luxon – Day One
    Frankly SpeakingBy Frank Macskasy
    1 day ago
  • NZ Politics Daily: 1 December 2021
    Today’s NZPD testimonial from Leo Milani, Policy Advisor, Waimate District Council: “NZ Politics Daily offers an indispensable survey, and methodical analysis of, NZ media’s coverage of the most pertinent political issues of the day. Its format, content, and quality renders it a vital tool not only to the general reader, but also ...
    Democracy ProjectBy bryce.edwards
    1 day ago
  • 2021 Reading Log: November
    Completed reads for November: Unfinished Tales, by J.R.R. TolkienMurder in Mesopotamia, by Agatha ChristieCreative Metal, by Len GaleThe Man in the Brown Suit, by Agatha ChristieEndless Night, by Agatha ChristieLord Edgware Dies, by Agatha Christie ...
    1 day ago
  • A strong start – but can Luxon last?
    The first thing Chris Luxon did publicly after being elected as the 15th leader of the National Party was thank his colleagues. It was the proper thing to do. For it is only thanks to the cloak and dagger politics that they’ve engaged in over the past three years that ...
    PunditBy Tim Watkin
    2 days ago
  • Air New Zealand flight attendant named CEO after one year on job
    A 51-year-old flight attendant has completed a swift and stunning rise to CEO of Air New Zealand. New Zealand’s national carrier, Air New Zealand, has expressed great enthusiasm in announcing its new CEO today: 51-year-old Nathan Guy, a flight attendant who has spent about 1200 hours on the job. Guy ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    2 days ago
  • A true story
    by Daphna Whitmore In a recent debate on free speech I closed with a true story. A woman I know – a writer – tweeted a joke in response to a man having just insulted her on the platform. The joke featured some violent imagery, but it also featured absurdist ...
    RedlineBy Admin
    2 days ago
  • Māui Tikitiki a Tāranga inspires Māui Hudson’s research journey
    Māui Hudson says the characteristics of his namesake, the Māori diety Māui Tikitiki a Tāranga, enables and inspires him to confidently walk into new spaces of research. He hails from Te Whakatōhea, Ngāruahine and Ngāpuhi. Māui is a trained physiotherapist but is well-known for his leadership in creating guidelines and ...
    SciBlogsBy Rosemary Rangitauira
    2 days ago
  • Driven to help the planet and humanity thrive
    Mihi mai ki a Dr Te Kīpa Kēpa Morgan, a professional engineer, who’s inspiring a different value system that he says can help humanity thrive and safeguard the sustainability of our planet. Kēpa affiliates to Ngāti Pikiao (Te Arawa), Ngāti Kahungunu and Ngāi Tahu. For more than a decade, Kēpa’s main ...
    SciBlogsBy Rosemary Rangitauira
    2 days ago
  • Gordon Campbell on why an attack on Iran is back on the agenda
    Reportedly, Christopher Luxon has the edge on Simon Bridges in National’s leadership contest although there is no firm evidence for that hunch. So, one hesitates about joining a media echo chamber that amplifies Luxon’s chances ahead of the 3pm caucus meeting today. You know how it goes: Luxon doesn’t quite ...
    2 days ago
  • NZ Politics Daily: 30 November 2021
    Today’s NZPD testimonial from Dr David Bromell, Senior Associate, Institute for Governance and Policy Studies: “While working as a public policy advisor, NZ Politics Daily was a daily “must read” as it alerted me to wider public policy issues than workplace-based media scanning, which generally covered only subject areas that related directly to ...
    Democracy ProjectBy bryce.edwards
    2 days ago
  • Can genetically engineered seeds prevent a climate-driven food crisis?
    This is a re-post from Yale Climate Connections by Samantha Harrington When John Boelts sows acres of cotton seed on his farm in Yuma, Arizona, he does so knowing that the fields will be free of an invasive pest called pink bollworm. For nearly a century, the small pink striped ...
    2 days ago
  • The Simple Thing That’s Hard To Do.
    What's Not To Like? There’s a reason why the self-evident benefits of a “one world government” arouse such visceral opposition from those with a vested interest in both the local and the global status quo. A world run for the benefit of all human-beings strikes at the very heart of the ...
    2 days ago
  • A Stay of Execution: The National Library of New Zealand Caves to Authors
    Well, well. Looks like Christmas has arrived early, with a victory over vandalism. You may recall this little furore about the future of the National Library of New Zealand’s Overseas Published Collection: https://phuulishfellow.wordpress.com/2021/11/22/lack-of-public-service-announcement-the-national-library-of-new-zealand-internet-archive-and-alleged-digital-piracy/ Well, those outrageous plans to digitise and pirate copyrighted works have got enough negative attention ...
    3 days ago
  • Climate Change: We can do it!
    RNZ reports on the other story to come out of the government's emissions budget Cabinet paper: the scale of the changes we need to make: The massive scale of the nationwide changes needed quickly to cut climate gas emissions is laid bare in newly-released government documents. [...] The number ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    3 days ago
  • Climate Change: Cold feet?
    Ministry for the Environment has dumped more cabinet papers related to its recent initial consultation on the emissions reduction plan. The key document is an August cabinet paper on Emissions Budgets for 2022-2025, 2026-2030 and 2031-2035, which made the dubious in-principle decision to increase the first period's emissions budget (which ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    3 days ago
  • Rating The Contenders.
    There Can Be Only One: Some might ask why National MPs would install yet another “successful business person” at the helm of their party? Isn’t one Todd Muller enough? Especially when Simon Bridges could become the first National politician of Māori descent to become Prime Minister.LET’S GET SOMETHING out of ...
    3 days ago
  • Gordon Campbell on Omicron, and the Bridges/Luxon dilemma
    At this early stage, the Omicron variant seems to be more infectious, and more able to bypass the protection offered by vaccines and by the antibodies generated by previous infection. The fact that it is being spread around the globe by travellers who were all presumably fully immunised and had ...
    3 days ago
  • NZ Politics Daily: 29 November 2021
    Today’s NZPD testimonial from Dr Kevin Moore, Associate Professor in Psychology & Tourism, Lincoln University: “For me, the big advantage of NZ Politics Daily is the breadth of opinion and sources it gathers. Together. There is always a mix of news reporting, news analysis, opinion pieces and blog posts. That breadth ...
    Democracy ProjectBy bryce.edwards
    3 days ago
  • National is still very much the same Party even without Collins leading it… that’s the real issu...
    Judith Collins regarded Thatcher as “a personal hero” of hers. But like her hero though, it took the UK Conservative Party and their ideological counterparts here to get rid of both of them, from the inside. There’s a sort of bizarre symmetry to that really. Both were rather messy ...
    exhALANtBy exhalantblog
    4 days ago
  • 2021 SkS Weekly Climate Change & Global Warming News Roundup #48
    Listing of articles linked to on the Skeptical Science Facebook Page during the past week: Sun, November 21, 2021 through Sat, November 27, 2021 The following articles sparked above average interest during the week: To Breed or Not to Breed?, The Vaccine for Fake News, Ten ways to confront the climate ...
    4 days ago
  • A professor without honour in his own country
    Michael Corballis just three months before his death appeared in an interview on the Hui with Mihirangi Forbes. She made no effort to conceal her disdain for his defence of science and proceeded to lecture him on not knowing enough about mātauranga Maori to comment on it and accused him ...
    RedlineBy Admin
    4 days ago
  • Businessman – and Political Novice
    The drums are beating – see Heather Du Plessis-Allan in today’s Herald – for Christopher Luxon’s bid to become National’s new (and latest) leader. It is conceded that he is a political tyro but – such is National’s current plight – it is suggested that he is a risk worth ...
    Bryan GouldBy Bryan Gould
    4 days ago
  • No, Elizabeth Stuart Would Not Have Stopped the English Civil War (Probably)
    As you might have noticed, A Phuulish Fellow is a fairly eclectic blog. Even an organic one. I have my interests, and write about them as the fit takes me. And sometimes I stumble across an article I feel the need to comment on. Today, I ran across a ...
    4 days ago
  • Rumour Has It: A Númenórean Character List?
    Today we have another Amazon rumour on our hands. And for a change, it is not coming out of Fellowship of Fans. No, instead we have the following tweet doing the rounds, ostensibly listing (mostly) Númenórean characters and their code names. It’s an interesting leak, if true. And that’s ...
    6 days ago
  • Covid as Warriors
    The book I am currently working on – tentative title ‘In Open Seas’ – looks at the current and future New Zealand. One chapter describes the policy towards Covid using the trope of warfare. It covers an important period in our history but show how policy evolves and why, as ...
    PunditBy Brian Easton
    6 days ago
  • COVID-19: the B.1.1.529 variant – what do we know?
    There’s a lot of news about a new variant originally reported in southern Africa. Early signs have prompted calls for immediate precautionary blocks on travel from the region to restrict its spread. The WHO has called an emergency conference on this variant. Here’s a round-up of what we know so ...
    SciBlogsBy Grant Jacobs
    6 days ago
  • National Party board denies it unanimously agreed to Collins’ Faustian bargain with Satan
    Sources close to party president Peter Goodfellow say he was totally blindsided by Collins’ claims he was party to this particular satanic ritual. National Party president Peter Goodfellow is today issuing a strong denial on behalf of the party’s board, saying they did not, at any point, agree to the ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    6 days ago
  • The cost of optimism
    Yesterday the National Party imploded in a messy knife-fight that cost it its leader and probably one of the contenders. So naturally, the government has taken the opportunity to do a dump of its pandemic advice, including the Cabinet papers on its controversial decisions to repeatedly lower the Auckland alert ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    6 days ago
  • Gordon Campbell on National’s less than stellar choices
    Amid all the jostling in the National caucus ranks, spare a thought for Andrew Bayly. Who? Well might you ask. Plucked from obscurity by Judith Collin, elevated from number 18 to number 3 in the caucus rankings and given the Finance portfolio – a role in which he has been ...
    6 days ago
  • Are New Zealand’s universities doing enough to define the limits of academic freedom?
    Matheson Russell, University of Auckland   The news last week that University of Auckland public health researcher Simon Thornley was retracting a co-authored paper about supposed vaccination risks during pregnancy raised deeper questions about the limits of academic freedom. Thornley’s own head of department had called for the paper to ...
    SciBlogsBy Guest Author
    6 days ago
  • NZ Politics Daily: 26 November 2021
    Today’s NZPD testimonial from Jean Drage, Political scientist specialist in local government: “With 78 local authorities and central government currently intent on reform, local government is a challenging area of research to keep on top of. Thank goodness for Bryce’s NZ’s Politics Daily. It is a gem, especially as it also ...
    Democracy ProjectBy bryce.edwards
    6 days ago
  • Josh Van Veen: Bridges is not the one
    Simon Bridges failed to bluff Judith Collins out of the leadership. A campaign to rehabilitate his image began shortly after the election and culminated in the publication of a memoir in August. There were persistent rumours of a deal with rival Christopher Luxon and MPs from the ‘liberal’ wing of ...
    Democracy ProjectBy bryce.edwards
    6 days ago
  • Smokefree cars – an important step towards protecting children from the hazards of smoking
    Richard Edwards, Jude Ball, Janet Hoek, George Thomson, Nick Wilson*  On November 28 new legislation to protect children from smoking and vaping in cars will come into force. This blog sets out the background and rationale for the new law, and discusses implementation, evaluation and the next steps to protect ...
    SciBlogsBy Public Health Expert
    6 days ago
  • Judith's Last Stand.
    Going Out With All Guns Blazing: Why didn’t Judith Collins stick with the strategy that had kept her, National’s most improbable of leaders, in power for more than a year? One might just as well ask why Rob Muldoon (that other unforgiving right-wing populist National Party leader) got drunk and ...
    6 days ago
  • Act’s Precarious Ascendancy.
    On The Lookout: It is easy to imagine how closely Seymour has been watching the National Opposition for the slightest sign of a Clark figure emerging. A respected politician, who enjoys broad support across the party and, much more importantly, who impresses the ordinary centre-right voter as having what it ...
    6 days ago
  • Skeptical Science New Research for Week #47, 2021
    104 articles by 574 contributing authors Physical science of climate change, effects Delayed impacts of Arctic sea-ice loss on Eurasian severe cold winters Jang et al. Journal of Geophysical Research: Atmospheres 10.1029/2021jd035286 Observations of climate change, effects Divergent responses of terrestrial carbon use efficiency to climate variation from 2000 ...
    6 days ago
  • Labour’s Eyes Wide Shut To “Unruly Tenants”.
    Not Seeing The Problem: They say there are none so blind as those who will not see. And, right now, Kāinga Ora is studiously not looking. It is clear to everyone that the Minister responsible, Poto Williams, has (like so many of her colleagues) been entirely captured by her officials. ...
    6 days ago
  • Is the mob coming for Charles Darwin?
    Richard Dawkins recently noted the giants of the past are being sanctimoniously judged by nonentities of the present whose only qualification is still being alive to do so. How will the future judge our own time when we are not around? Peter Franklin from Unherd examines whether the woke can ...
    RedlineBy Admin
    7 days ago
  • Blowing a Hole in Your Own Wall: Idiotic Tampering with MIQ
    Managed Isolation/Quarantine has been a fact of life for New Zealand for eighteen months. It’s not popular – there are only so many spaces available at any given time, and the process is famously opaque – but it is the key to saving New Zealand from rampant Coronavirus. That, ...
    7 days ago
  • Now Labour wants secret trials
    Today, the government introduced the Security Information in Proceedings Legislation Bill to the House. The Bill would allow the government to use classified information in civil or criminal proceedings and keep it secret from the other party. So people suing the government for human rights abuses could lose, and defendants ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    7 days ago
  • The end of a toxic leader
    If there's one thing that Judith Collins is usually good at, it's using scandalous information about other people to her advantage. Not above undermining her own political party, Collins has been known to even leak against her own fellow MPs, particularly those who posed a threat to her as the ...
    7 days ago
  • A transformative government in Germany
    Back in September Germans went to the polls, and handed the politicians a tough job, with no easy majorities for anyone. The Social Democrats, Free Democrats, and Greens agreed to work together in a "traffic light" coalition, but given their political differences (its basicly ACT/Greens/Labour), expectations for real change were ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    7 days ago
  • Political Harakiri
    The National party must always have known that they were taking a risk when they elected Judith Collins as leader. There were, after all, good reasons why they repeatedly declined to accept her candidature when she offered herself – as she frequently did. She was always an inappropriate person to ...
    Bryan GouldBy Bryan Gould
    7 days ago
  • Thanksgiving advice, 2021: How to deal with climate change-denying Uncle Pete
    This is a re-post from the Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists by Richard Somerville “Birds of a feather flock together,” so I am sure that nearly all of those reading this article accept the main findings of climate science. Yet many people don’t. Instead, they believe a variety of climate ...
    1 week ago
  • Gordon Campbell on the demotion of Simon Bridges
    So Simon Bridges has been bounced from the front bench and stripped of his shadow portfolio responsibilities for the crudely “inappropriate” comments that he allegedly made to a female colleague, Jacqui Dean – and personally apologised for – about five years ago. After years of mocking Labour for its supposed ...
    1 week ago
  • NZ Politics Daily: 25 November 2021
    Today’s NZPD testimonial from Dr Rosemary Wette, Associate Professor, Applied Linguistics, University of Auckland: “I’ve been browsing regularly through NZ Politics Daily for several months now. It gives me access to a range of views on current issues (helpfully organised by topic) that I wouldn’t otherwise have time to look up, or ...
    Democracy ProjectBy bryce.edwards
    1 week ago
  • The bizarre case of the Royal Society investigating academics defending science
    The Royal Society has begun a disciplinary investigation against a group of academics. The academics were defending science and in the past would have expected support from the Royal Society. The Free Speech Union has launched a campaign to defend the academics and academic freedom. Māori professor under investigation for ...
    RedlineBy Admin
    1 week ago
  • Ian Powell: Unionism and nursing in New Zealand
    In the around 35 years I worked for unions (over 30 with the Association of Salaried Medical Specialists and earlier with the New Zealand Educational Institute) I often cogitated over the distinction between unions and unionism. They are intertwined but not inseparable. I associate unionism with collective consciousness able to ...
    Democracy ProjectBy bryce.edwards
    1 week ago
  • Bryce Edwards: Today’s constitutional disgrace in Parliament
    This Government has a problem with urgency. Critics from both left and right have long complained about their lack of urgency on issues such as climate change, housing, and inequality. Likewise, in terms of the Covid response, there’s been a chorus of criticism that Labour has been complacent and sluggish ...
    Democracy ProjectBy bryce.edwards
    1 week ago
  • Vaping needs much tighter regulation as we approach Smokefree Aotearoa 2025: Two new studies
    Nick Wilson, Janet Hoek, Jennifer Summers, Driss Ait Ouakrim, Andrew Waa, Richard Edwards, Tony Blakely* Two recent studies provide new insights into the impact vaping may have on public health. The first estimates that use of modern vaping devices could be around a third as harmful to health as smoking. ...
    SciBlogsBy Public Health Expert
    1 week ago
  • Strange Defeat: A Guest Post By Dr. Chris Harris.
    They Did Things Differently Then: And we might still be doing things differently, if the world these "Country Lads" were fighting for, and which endured for nearly 30 years after World War II, had not been supplanted by the world we inhabit now. In spite of its reality, New Zealand's ...
    1 week ago
  • More than 147km – the transformative potential of the Wellington bike network plan
    Feature image by Luke Pilkinton-Ching, University of Otago Wellington   Caroline Shaw, Anja Mizdrak, Ryan Gage* Wellington City Council is currently consulting on a cycle network for Wellington. This is a big deal. WCC are proposing a 147km cycle network around the city, the vast majority of which is new. ...
    SciBlogsBy Public Health Expert
    1 week ago
  • NZ Politics Daily: 24 November 2021
    Today’s NZPD testimonial from Liz Brown, Senior communications advisor, Association of Salaried Medical Specialists: “The NZ Politics Daily is a fabulous resource providing a comprehensive one stop shop on what’s making news and how stories are being covered. I look forward to seeing it pop into my inbox every morning.” Anyone can sign ...
    Democracy ProjectBy bryce.edwards
    1 week ago
  • Climate Change: Taking us for a ride
    Agricultural emissions has been an oozing sore in our climate change policy for over a decade. Exempted from the ETS in 2008, farmers were meant to be brought in and start paying for their emissions in 2012. Of course, National put a stop to that, and exempted them forever. When ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • Climate Change: An industry in denial
    Over the past few years it has become clear that coal has no future in Aotearoa. Rising carbon prices, a ban on new boilers and a legislated phase-out for existing infrastructure are going to drive it out of the market. To reinforce this, the government signed up for an anti-coal ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • The “most open and transparent government ever” again
    The government is about to pass new vaccination mandate legislation under urgency. So obviously, they'd want to ensure it gets the best possible scrutiny in the limited time available by releasing the supporting policy documents, right? Of course not: On the eve of legislation to enable vaccination passes being ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • Gordon Campbell on farmers playing the victim, plus Chile’s right turn
    Among the farming lobby groups, the good cop/bad cop routine has been working a treat. It suits Federated Farmers to keep daylight between itself and the Groundswell movement. Month in, year out the Federation continues to engage with the government over the very same water degradation/climate change regulations that Groundswell ...
    1 week ago
  • Important People
    The Herald has returned to form with a vengeance. In today’s issue, Barry Soper snipes at Jacinda’s handling of her regular press conferences. It seems that she did not give him an early chance to ask his very important question and took no account of his need to depart immediately ...
    Bryan GouldBy Bryan Gould
    1 week ago
  • Parliament, the Courts and the end of three strikes (for now)
    Last week, Parliament embarked on the process of repealing the so-called “three strikes” provisions in the Sentencing Act 2002. Given that Labour, the Greens and Te Paati Māori all supported this repeal Bill at first reading (and that NZ First no longer is in government to block the move), three strikes’ eventual legislative demise seems ...
    PunditBy Andrew Geddis
    1 week ago
  • NZ Politics Daily: 23 November 2021
    Today’s NZPD testimonial from Martyn Bradbury, Editor, The Daily Blog “’NZ Politics Daily’ is one of the most important news and political resources run in New Zealand. The expert collation of opinion and news makes it an invaluable day to day resource as well as an incredible treasure for researchers in the future. ...
    Democracy ProjectBy bryce.edwards
    1 week ago
  • New Zealand’s Emission Reduction Plan
    By Paul Callister and Robert McLachlan Fifty years ago, on 26 November 1971, the film “Notes on a New Zealand City: Wellington”, directed by Paul Maunder, premiered on Wellington TV. The narrator asks if Wellington’s future will involve suburban sprawl, traffic, motorways, suburban shopping malls, and the decentralization of employment; ...
    SciBlogsBy Guest Author
    1 week ago
  • Dissing The Farmers.
    Neale vs The Revolting Farmers: One has to admire the way Capital Government Relations CEO, Neale Jones, covers-off all the bases of the current political zeitgeist. In a masterfully composed tweet, he lambasts the Groundswell protesters as sexists, racists and reactionaries, clinging for dear life to “a purely extractive economic ...
    1 week ago
  • How will carbon pricing impact inflation?
    This is a re-post from the Citizens' Climate Lobby blog Inflation — the decline of purchasing power as prices rise — is currently at its highest level in 30 years. This has led to concern among the public and policymakers about the rising costs of many important products like food, shelter, gasoline, ...
    1 week ago
  • (Lack of) Public Service Announcement: The National Library of New Zealand, Internet Archive, and Al...
    The National Library of New Zealand has not covered itself in glory in recent times. The decision to axe most of the Overseas Collection (some 600,000 books) in order to make way for more New Zealand items (which it collects already, and which amounts to some 3,000 items ...
    1 week ago
  • Game over for the HRPP
    Since its election loss earlier this year, Samoa's Human Rights Protection Party has been pinning its hopes on the upcoming by-elections to regain power. That was a pretty forlorn hope - with 18 seats, they would have had to win all seven by-elections and have two additional women appointed to ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • Chinese influence and American hate diffusion.
    Over the last decade concerns have been raised about Chinese “influence operations” in NZ and elsewhere. Run by CCP-controlled “United Front” organisations, influence operations are designed to promote PRC interests and pro-PRC views within the economic and political elites of the targeted country as well as Chinese diaspora communities. The ...
    KiwipoliticoBy Pablo
    1 week ago

  • Coastal shipping will help keep New Zealand’s supply chain buoyant
    Transport Minister Michael Wood today welcomed the release of the Coastal Shipping Investment Approach State-of-Play report as an important step towards a more sustainable coastal shipping sector, which will further diversify New Zealand’s supply chain. “This Government is committed to strengthening our domestic supply chain by making coastal shipping a ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 hour ago
  • Response to Human Rights Commission's reports into violence towards disable people
    Tēnā koutou, tēnā koutou, tēnā tātou katoa.   Thank you for that introduction Hemi and thank you for inviting me to respond on behalf of Government to the release of these two important reports (Whakamanahia Te Tiriti, Whakahaumarutia te Tangata -Honour the Treaty, Protect the Person and Whakamahia te Tūkino kore ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    2 hours ago
  • Law change strengthens petroleum decommissioning regulation
    Petroleum permit and licence holders operating in New Zealand will now have an explicit statutory requirement to carry out and fund the decommissioning of oil and gas fields after a new law was given Royal assent today, says Energy and Resources Minister Dr Megan Woods. Once in effect The Crown ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    12 hours ago
  • New Zealand Response to assist peace and stability in Solomon Islands
    The New Zealand government has announced that it will deploy Defence Force and Police personnel to Honiara to help restore peace and stability. “New Zealand is committed to its responsibilities and playing its part in upholding regional security,” Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern said.  “We are deeply concerned by the recent ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    17 hours ago
  • Continued growth in volume of new home consents
    In the year ended October 2021, 47,715 new homes were consented, up 26 per cent from the October 2020 year. In October 2021, 4,043 new dwellings were consented Canterbury’s new homes consented numbers rose 31% to higher than post-earthquake peak. New home consents continue to reach remarkable levels of growth, ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    20 hours ago
  • Saddle up for summer with cycle trail funding
    New investment will keep the best of New Zealand’s cycle trails in top condition as regions prepare to welcome back Kiwi visitors over summer and international tourists from next year. “Cycle tourism is one of the most popular ways to see the country ‘off the beaten track’ but the trails ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    21 hours ago
  • New Zealand provides additional funding to COVAX for vaccine delivery
    Foreign Affairs Minister Nanaia Mahuta today announced additional funding will be provided to COVAX to support vaccine delivery in developing countries. “New Zealand remains cognisant of the dangers of COVID-19, especially as new variants continue to emerge. No one is safe from this virus until we all are and this ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    22 hours ago
  • COVID-19 Community fund providing support for 160 organisations focused on women and girls
    Minister for Women Jan Tinetti today announced financial support will be allocated to the 160 successful applicants for the COVID-19 Community Fund, to support organisations helping women/wāhine and girls/kōtiro in Aotearoa New Zealand affected by the pandemic. “COVID-19 has had a disproportionate effect on women around the world including in ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
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