Saudi sheepgate coverup continues

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1. Richardrawshark 1

   12 August 2016 at 9:15 am

   make an embezzlement accusation to the police then they will have to act on it.

   Got all the signs of theft.
2. Righty right 2

   12 August 2016 at 9:53 am

   Everyone knows these kind payment have to be made the world is corrupt and we need to play the game
   • Draco T Bastard 2.1

     12 August 2016 at 10:14 am

     No, we don’t have to make them and if they’re demanded then we simply stop dealing with that country.
     • mosa 2.1.1

       13 August 2016 at 10:22 am

       Draco that requires a backbone that this government simply does not have.
       Anyway Key always has a smirk on his face because he knows he is untouchable and the fact thay this Saudi Sheep deception has gone on so long without a resignation and the media arent interested they will just ride it out.
       • Draco T Bastard 2.1.1.1

         13 August 2016 at 1:29 pm

         I don’t think any of our governments have had a backbone since the 4th Labour government told the US to effoff and even that was only on a limited basis. Our recent governments have all been terrified about what the US/UK/Europe and China might do to us if we upset them.

         They have to learn that we’re not here to please other nations but to do what’s morally right for our nation and, after that, other nations.
         • mosa 2.1.1.1.1

           13 August 2016 at 2:32 pm

           +100
   • shorts 2.2

     12 August 2016 at 10:25 am

     only an idiot makes a payment for nothing… and only an idiot pays someone who can’t or won’t help them i.e. what has our bribe achieved?

     Only an idiot thinks this entire affair is the price of doing business or in your case play some game
   • D'Esterre 2.3

     12 August 2016 at 12:08 pm

     Righty right: “Everyone knows these kind payment have to be made the world is corrupt and we need to play the game”

     Look, I understand that you might be a supporter of the current government, but really? Is the price of your support the condoning of corruption? Surely not.

     This may be a small polity, unduly exposed to the potential perfidy of those much larger, but it by no means follows that we should connive at that kind of behaviour. We cannot win that sort of pissing contest. We need to stay away from it.
   • Stuart Munro 2.4

     12 August 2016 at 12:49 pm

     if you’re going to bribe someone in Saudi, here’s a tip – you don’t choose a self-selected bribe recipient. You must choose someone with the authority to do what you need. The Saudi state is not as keen on bribery as you might suppose either, they know it costs them credibility.
3. Adrian 3

   12 August 2016 at 10:02 am

   How about it was a refund of a bit of election funding to a particular party?
   • Leftie 3.1

     13 August 2016 at 7:14 pm

     Yeah, good point.
4. Michelle 4

   12 August 2016 at 11:38 am

   We have a bunch of bloody crooks running our country
   • mosa 4.1

     13 August 2016 at 10:32 am

     Well DUH !!
     And after the next general election the same idiots we pass by as we are walking and driving and we work with and the owners of the business we spend our money with will vote for it all over again.
5. TC 5

   12 August 2016 at 11:55 am

   Shows Key as the salesman he is. Not in control and almost certainly not making the decisions on who does what.

   Mccully, collins, english and others with major breaches of ethics and rules showing the farce that is ‘higher standards’.
   • Bearded Git 5.1

     12 August 2016 at 12:04 pm

     …add ethics-lacking Amy Adams and her “pragmatic” Bain solution.

     Hooton* was right about this; the legal system is not about pragmatic solutions where the government hasn’t got the cahones to make a decision, it is about justice.

     *when he takes off his ridiculously biased Labour/Green-bashing hat Hooton can be right. He has also criticised the government royally on the Saudi sheep deal fiasco.
6. AmaKiwi 6

   12 August 2016 at 12:58 pm

   To all opposition MPs:

   Follow “Psych nurse’s” advise:

   “Key always dominates Question time with his arrogance, glibness and confabulation. He makes the headlines with his performance, no one questions his truthfulness. . . . . Direct questions to those less able to deflect them.” (See Left Side Story, 2.0)

   Opposition MPs: Direct Sheepgate questions to McCully. Frame them so he is the only person who can answer them.
   • One Anonymous Bloke 6.1

     12 August 2016 at 4:41 pm

     …and stop wasting our time asking loaded questions.
   • Cinny 6.2

     12 August 2016 at 7:48 pm

     Awesome advice from ‘Psych Nurse” however, there will be no questions for McCully next week, he is going overseas for a little business trip, once again very timely travel.
7. Corokia 7

   12 August 2016 at 1:14 pm

   Why can’t/won’t Key sack McCully?
   How is McCully getting away with this?
   • D'Esterre 7.1

     12 August 2016 at 1:29 pm

     Corolla: “How is McCully getting away with this?”

     He’s a longtime Nat apparatchik: he knows where the bodies are buried. Clearly the PM thinks the risks to the party and government of making him walk the plank are many times greater than keeping him on.
     • b waghorn 7.1.1

       12 August 2016 at 3:32 pm

       or because mccully was doing what key wanted him to do.
   • TC 7.2

     12 August 2016 at 1:40 pm

     watch the hollowmen. Muz is a major player so he enjoys the priviledges that go with it…..immunity.
   • Stuart Munro 7.3

     13 August 2016 at 1:14 am

     Because Key is even dirtier than McCully – any censure will be for public consumption only.
     • Leftie 7.3.1

       13 August 2016 at 7:16 pm

       +1 Stuart Munro.
8. nom 8

   12 August 2016 at 3:23 pm

   Wasn’t there talk that Key and Carter had privately promised that the incoming National government would resume live stock exports?
   • nom 8.1

     12 August 2016 at 4:18 pm

     http://thestandard.org.nz/sheepgate/#comment-1021631

     Looks like it was a claim made by Hooton in the NBR,
   • Wyndham 8.2

     12 August 2016 at 4:20 pm

     That’s exactly right nom and the real reason for anger from Mr. Khalif when the Nats back tracked. Key keeps blaming Labour ( specifically Phil Goff ) but it was National that rattled the cage. Key is a master of obfuscation and deceit. He and McCully deserve each other.
     • Leftie 8.2.1

       13 August 2016 at 7:20 pm

       +1 Nom and Wyndham. And they might deserve each other, but NZ doesn’t, let’s sack these corrupt dirty crooks next year.
9. Matthew Whitehead 9

   12 August 2016 at 4:49 pm

   The reinstatement of Collins already suggested Key was impotent as a Prime Minister, we don’t need keeping McCully to conclude that.

   The whole thing stinks of the government engaging in corruption, and the whole lot ought to go.
10. Cinny 10

    12 August 2016 at 7:43 pm

    McCully would rather do another runner than answer anymore awkward questions.
    Easier to skip off on a little overseas junket before retiring from Parliament, wonder how many more trips away he will have?

    “Foreign Minister Murray McCully will travel to Europe next week to visit the United Kingdom, Slovakia, France, Hungary, and Russia. ”

    http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PA1608/S00231/minister-mccully-to-visit-europe.htm
    • mosa 10.1

      13 August 2016 at 10:40 am

      Sounds like an overseas junket to organize more corrupt business deals and new donors for the mighty National party.
      • Leftie 10.1.1

        13 August 2016 at 7:21 pm

        +100 Mosa.
11. weston 11

    12 August 2016 at 7:54 pm

    Im just bloody pleased that live shipments of nzs sheep HAVE been stopped its pretty damn hard to respect this particular bunch of mutton eaters both in the way they kill their animals and their citizens .weve all seen the clips of their so called men of god beheading woman its disgusting fuck them let them buy their sheep from the americans who are right up their arse anyway .
    • Cinny 11.1

      12 August 2016 at 8:10 pm

      Well said Weston, def agree. Isn’t bizzare how we trade with countries whose ways of life would be social immoral and often illegal here. I don’t get that… was so proud of us for boycotting countries in the past due to their questionable activities. Sadly greed seems to drive our current government and the old boys club lap up the slightest ego trip, evolution is far from their grasp.
      • miravox 11.1.1

        12 August 2016 at 9:20 pm

        Yup. And that’s what this whole payment is about isn’t it? Preventing ‘problems’ getting in the way of a free trade deal?

        I guess there is a word for that… and it’s not facilitation or transparency.

        It’s worth re-reading how it all went down in Select Committee last year.

        http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11471113
        • Cinny 11.1.1.1

          13 August 2016 at 12:48 pm

          Thx for the link Miravox
    • Leftie 11.2

      13 August 2016 at 7:24 pm

      For me that’s one of the best comments on this thread. Couldn’t agree with you more Weston!!
    • mosa 11.3

      14 August 2016 at 12:00 pm

      Weston i am glad you raised the animal and human welfare issues in all of this.
      Saudi Arabia is allowed too get away with this barbaric approach to life they have no respect for it and that should automatically bar them from trading with any nation including ours !!!
      Live sheep export seems a contradiction in terms considering the death toll inflicted on these poor creatures.
12. save nz 12

    13 August 2016 at 4:36 am

    Shocking – the Natz are corrupt crooks. And why do the media do not hold them to account? Too many parties in the corrupt trough.
    • AmaKiwi 12.1

      13 August 2016 at 9:48 am

      save nz

      “Why do the media do not hold the Natz to account?”

      Because the business of selling advertisements requires you have access to the king and his court. Is the correct name for this a “cluster f#ck”?
    • mosa 12.2

      13 August 2016 at 11:00 am

      Save they do not hold them too account because
      1 The media is owned and controlled by corporate interests and only demand answers from left wing parties that you would think the way they are treated THEY were in government.
      2 Key has a enemies list he bragged about some years back and on that occasion i do believe he was telling the truth and that list will have journalists and their indiscretions on it amongst others that out of fear they will tow the line.
      Big Business wields a huge amount of power and fear and influence in NZ and they have a personal relationship with the National party and members of the government.
      To remove this administration it will take a massive effort and by exceptional people who are smart and well funded.
      The next election may be already won by this government.

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