Shambles

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1. Tim Ellis 1

   5 September 2008 at 10:21 am

   Or… maybe some idiot just left the document on the seat when they popped down to Bellamy’s for a pie. That’s as likely as your claim of a systematic division, Tane. I do enjoy though, how so many of the Standard’s authors are convinced, with no evidence, of the existence of nefarious conspiracies within the National Party, but swear blindly that there is no evidence of any illegal or immoral behaviour in New Zealand First, and that National are evil for jumping to judgement on them.
2. Dancer 2

   5 September 2008 at 10:27 am

   hey – i read this story and thought it goes well with this video on leaks in the national party. It’s been up on U-tube for awhile – maybe someone will update it…

   the leaking hollow man –
   
3. Matthew Pilott 3

   5 September 2008 at 10:28 am

   So Tim, what if the same idiot did the same while in Government and a damaging and confidential document that could negatively affect the country as a whole was released into the wrong hands. Do we want these idiots in power?

   I’m not sure what’s worse – division and leaks, or thoroughly inept individuals.

   “but swear blindly that there is no evidence of any illegal or immoral behaviour in New Zealand First, and that National are evil for jumping to judgement on them.”

   Have you a link, keeping in mind what evidence was in the public domain at the time… I think that comment isn’t entirely true. The best I can recall is them asking for due process, as opposed to a good ol’ fashioned right-wing lynch-mob.
4. Tane 4

   5 September 2008 at 10:31 am

   Tim. No one’s defending NZ First here, blindly or otherwise. Look through our previous posts.

   And Tim, are you seriously denying there are leaks in the National Party? When you look at the number of leaks we’ve seen from this crew in recent times that’s simply not a credible position.
5. Rakaia George 5

   5 September 2008 at 10:33 am

   Apparently Trev was also responsible for the leak of Metallica’s new album – poor duck’s bored with nothing of his own to release.
6. higherstandard 6

   5 September 2008 at 10:44 am

   Tane

   Leaks, theft or stupidity – either way it just adds more to the perception of the state of parliament which is declining on a daily basis.

   I would have more sympathy for Garner or Mallard if there had been some discussion of environmental policy but that would be asking too much.
7. Felix 7

   5 September 2008 at 10:52 am

   So hs, when Labour screw up it’s Labour who are inept, and when the Nats screw up it’s the decline of parliament as a whole.

   Get back to your rounds and stop wasting our tax dollars.
8. Steve Pierson 8

   5 September 2008 at 10:52 am

   hs – theft? pretty serious allegation. and people don’t take papers like that down to bellamy’s unless they’re munters

   captcha: Edmund 1776 (Edmund Burke?)
9. forgetaboutthelastone 9

   5 September 2008 at 10:56 am

   Leaks, theft or stupidity – either way it just adds more to the perception of the state of the National Party which is declining on a daily basis.

   Fix’d it for you.
10. higherstandard 10

    5 September 2008 at 11:04 am

    Do you actually pay tax Felix ?

    I’m not on the public purse today by the way.

    Felix, Clinton, FATLO

    For State of parliament refer to – WP debacle, the PM covering him, Nats leaving papers about, taping fiascos at the Labour and Nat conferences, etc etc etc (and virtually every question time in the house)
11. Tim Ellis 11

    5 September 2008 at 11:07 am

    Tane, I haven’t seen evidence of leaks. I haven’t seen a lot of leaks in recent times, any more from the National Party than I’ve seen from the government.

    MP, surely you are not equating mislaying National’s environment policy, two days before its release, with an issue of really critical importance, and saying that such sloppiness disqualifies a party from government? Because if I’m not wrong, it was an official in the DPMC a couple of years ago who leaked Telecom’s split, to Telecom. Not only did the government not fall as a result of it, the minister did not resign, and nor did the CE of DPMC.
12. Dom 12

    5 September 2008 at 11:20 am

    Analyse this anyway you want, to the average punter it just looks sloppy and no one wants sloppy running the country…how many more dropped balls before National decide it’s time for a new captain…?
13. Felix 13

    5 September 2008 at 11:23 am

    Yep hs, as an astronaut I pay quite a bit of tax. I’m thinking about becoming a fireman or a grand prix driver though.
14. Matthew Pilott 14

    5 September 2008 at 11:26 am

    Tim, as I recall, the person in question showed a document to his mate in the industry, against all common sense and regulations. An unfortunate act of stupidity. I gather there are far fewer people with access to unreleased National policy, and they are all right at the top. Your bellamy’s idiot, if it is the case, isn’t 6 levels from the top, but your point is taken…
15. higherstandard 15

    5 September 2008 at 11:28 am

    Good for you Felix for some reason I though you were a student or Sod under one of his many aliases – my mistake
16. IrishBill 16

    5 September 2008 at 11:29 am

    “Yep hs, as an astronaut I pay quite a bit of tax. I’m thinking about becoming a fireman or a grand prix driver though.”

    I hope you are not implying that HS is pretending to be a doctor, Felix.
17. Felix 17

    5 September 2008 at 11:35 am

    IB no, I think he actually believes it.
18. monkey-boy 18

    5 September 2008 at 11:38 am

    As attractive as the idea of an ‘insider’ leaking is to the whole ‘faux-paranoia’ meme, “This is referred to as “in the spiritual wrestling match between good and evil which is the paranoid’s archetypal model of the world, the renegade is living proof that all the conversions are not made by the wrong side. He brings with him the promise of redemption and victory.’
    (Hofstadter – http://monkeyswithtypewriter.blogspot.com/2008/08/paranoid-style-whats-point-2.html)
    This sounds and looks more like a good old-fashioned cock-up.
    Which makes me agree with Mallard – this is sure evidence of a National Party not fit to run a cake-stall, let alone a government.
19. Lew 19

    5 September 2008 at 11:44 am

    Nobody on here has made anything of the contents of the policy, which is to say: how much they seem to differ from National’s indications thus far. It provides for the establishment of a central-government Environmental Protection Agency along the lines of the US agency of the same name, which will centralise much of what it now handled by local authorities; and secondly that it contains no trace of Don Brash’s $1b sustainability fund. Cullen is running this as a hidden agenda line, which rather begs the question that this was an internal document which had not yet been padded out to contain all the nice fluffy bits an electorate wants.

    How ironic that it’s me talking about policy over message.

    L
20. bustedblonde 20

    5 September 2008 at 12:00 pm

    You silly boys – National’s environment policy would have made page three at best but now its top of the charts – and like many of the other policies, after people have waded thru the media muck and got to the nub of them they are supportive – as a poll on the road toll showed clearly the other day.

    If you really are patriots then put aside your adoration of the left and think hard about just what is the important issue that you should be focussing on – it is the evidence of corruption that is now being unveiled on a systematic basis every day.

    If you do believe in democracy and good government you would be railing about that – not the about who leaked what to who and why.

    But then again maybe it is too much to ask of you – after all the left love detail and love being involved and controlling of the detail of our lives.

    Me I like to think for myself, and will vote for a government that wont tolertate corruption.

    [lprent: Not voting National then? They were the ones who wrote the Electoral Act 1993. That has more ways of being legally corrupt in it than you can poke a stick at. Over the years they’ve used them all as well. It is always pathetic looking at one of these silly trolls coming in with bad lines, and a urge to link-whore.]
21. Matthew Pilott 21

    5 September 2008 at 12:32 pm

    Busted – Donations to a small party that were not decleared, or environmental policy…

    I know what will have a greater effect on society over the years. I suppose if our country did not have the mechanisms to deal with corruption if it occurred then we’d be in dire straits, but I have faith in the various organs of government to deal with it. I have less faith in the public to return a correct verdict, but may be pleasantly surprised.

    Interesting that you imply you’re happy to have power handed to a party that cannot seem to get their own act together; either they can’t aggree on policy and leak it, or aren’t competent enough to manage it without leaving files about the place. As a patriot, this worries me greatly.

    Do you have a link to the details of the policy Lew? Had a gander earlier but no joy.
22. Lew 22

    5 September 2008 at 12:59 pm

    Matt: Nope, it doesn’t seem to be online, though Mallard claims to have released it. All the public information seems to be coming from this NZPA story and this NatRad item.

    L
23. sean 23

    5 September 2008 at 1:25 pm

    Matthew Pilott, if this is a shambles, what was the supposed SFO leak to National then?

    Time to prove you’re not a hypocrite………
24. Matthew Pilott 24

    5 September 2008 at 1:35 pm

    sean – it was a completely stupid thing for Clark to say. There seems to be no evidence short of a time line, which is vague supposition at best. There was nothing for Clark to really gain from saying it either. She’s lucky to have had so little attention paid to her comment, apart from Moreau’s cartoon ,if you happened to see it.

    If it was a link then it’s a worry that someone in the SFO would do so. Not sure what it has to do with hypocricy though.

    Lew, cheers, will have a look. I did hear a few snippets of policy, and a news story saying he was going to release it, but nothing more.
25. randal 25

    5 September 2008 at 1:38 pm

    hs why do you say everything that occurs is an exception and not just life. are you hysterical and/or do you have the same ‘mental complaint’ as mathew hooter?
26. Pablo 26

    5 September 2008 at 2:00 pm

    “Because if I’m not wrong, it was an official in the DPMC a couple of years ago who leaked Telecom’s split, to Telecom. Not only did the government not fall as a result of it, the minister did not resign, and nor did the CE of DPMC.”

    Tim, you are a bullshitter of the highest order.

    The “official” was the mail room boy. Who saw it in the destroy pile and decided to send it to his mate from the cycling club who worked at Telecom. Peter Garty, from memory, who wasn’t some foot soldier at Telecom either.

    Now for you twats who like to shout “theft” of Brash’s e-mails, this is genuine theft, by an employee, who was fired as a result. A bit of perspective would be nice.
27. Quoth the Raven 27

    5 September 2008 at 3:47 pm

    Leaks, theft or stupidity – either way it just adds more to the perception of the state of parliament which is declining on a daily basis.

    No its not HS it’s called election year.
28. higherstandard 28

    5 September 2008 at 3:50 pm

    QTR

    You’re probably right – that they appear to be worse than usual is probably because they’re under more scrutiny, when in reality they’re just as bad as they’ve always been.
29. Razorlight 29

    5 September 2008 at 10:10 pm

    lprent

    re EFA 1993. Were Labour consulted over the bill and did they vote against it?

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