Strike for Climate today

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1. Ad 1

   27 September 2019 at 8:57 am

   We'll be at the Auckland one.
2. Grey Area 2

   27 September 2019 at 9:26 am

   We'll be at the Hawke's Bay one.
3. weka 3

   27 September 2019 at 9:36 am

   https://twitter.com/domesticanimal/status/1177301431067394049
   • marty mars 3.1

     27 September 2019 at 10:36 am

     Awesome and sums it up well. The bay march looked good on fbook live (I couldn't go but was represented by the whānau). These protests imo are going to increase quickly now – I feel a momentum building, a real movement for real change not just window dressing and appeasement to cowards and weaklings.
     • Gosman 3.1.1

       27 September 2019 at 1:03 pm

       I would be willing to wager you are wrong.
       • marty mars 3.1.1.1

         27 September 2019 at 1:34 pm

         yeah I bet you would you creep – go away – your trolling is so inappropriate and sad – you really are stupid end of.
       • Ad 3.1.1.2

         27 September 2019 at 3:23 pm

         Shaw needed a bit of cheering up – and the march was good timing for the green-left generally.

         His delays to the Bill feel like he just isn't going to get the all-gases Act he wanted.

         The Bill appears to be heading for a whole bunch of disappointment at what will appear to be technocratic mediocrity.

         But once the disappointment hits, don't anyone dare blame the Greens or indeed the government. They did something. And a whole lot more than the other lot. And they have a Prime Minister with about as strong a global moral impact as we can generate. And the media just adore them.

         Orchestrated moral outrage is a great start to a movement.

         It probably will enable a good electoral tilt for voters in 2026.
4. Gosman 4

   27 September 2019 at 10:30 am

   Other than getting a day off from School work what is it that these kids actually want to happen?

   I thought this Government WAS meant to be taking Climate change seriously.
   • marty mars 4.1

     27 September 2019 at 10:37 am

     oh, boris gosman is back – not for long I hope lol
   • Incognito 4.2

     27 September 2019 at 11:36 am

     Those “kids” want to be taken seriously by people like you.
     • Gosman 4.2.1

       27 September 2019 at 11:59 am

       They would be taken seriously if they had an actual coherent approach beyond "Climate change bad" and "We should do something about Climate change"
       • Incognito 4.2.1.1

         27 September 2019 at 12:07 pm

         Disingenuous comment, those “kids” can’t even vote yet. In any case, they urge people like you to pay attention to the science but you’re just having a go at the messenger.
         • Psycho Milt 4.2.1.1.1

           27 September 2019 at 12:14 pm

           Yeah, but paying attention to the science can cause mental discomfort. Having a go at the messenger is a far more attractive proposition.
           • marty mars 4.2.1.1.1.1

             27 September 2019 at 12:32 pm

             Yep that sad lack of intellect and honesty is a real show stopper for thinking carefully – dim witted slogans are so much bester for the haters.
         • Gosman 4.2.1.1.2

           27 September 2019 at 12:34 pm

           I have no problem with the Science. I have a problem with people deciding on a coherent approach to dealing with the implications of the science.
           • Andre 4.2.1.1.2.1

             27 September 2019 at 12:39 pm

             So you're delighted with the current incoherent inactivity approach we have to dealing with the implications of the science?
             • Gosman …

               27 September 2019 at 1:00 pm

               I thought there was a coherent approach. Isn't that what James Shaw has been working on?
               • Andre …

                 27 September 2019 at 1:04 pm

                 Shaw has yet to release anything substantial and get it implemented. Until that happens, we're still running on the incoherent do-nothing let-it-all-go-to-shit approach left over from the last government.
                 • Ad …

                   27 September 2019 at 3:24 pm

                   2 years into government it's time for Shaw to shit or get off the pot.
                   • Andre …

                     27 September 2019 at 3:30 pm

                     Amen, brother.
           • Incognito 4.2.1.1.2.2

             27 September 2019 at 12:45 pm

             Oh, good, you almost gave the wrong impression but it appears that you’re in full support then of the actions of the “kids” urging people like you to pay attention the science and to take appropriate action starting with less beating around the bush talking and more “deciding on a coherent approach to dealing with the implications of the science”. I’m glad you’ve cleared up this misunderstanding.
             • Gosman …

               27 September 2019 at 1:02 pm

               Any approach to tackling Climate change WILL require a lot more talking. that is the nature of policy development. Unless you are advocating a dictatorial approach.
               • Incognito …

                 27 September 2019 at 1:48 pm

                 Your comments are starting to sound like incoherent ramblings bordering on trolling.

                 First you ask that those “kids” want to happen. A: be taken seriously, to pay attention to the science, people in control to decide on a coherent approach to deal with the implications of the science.

                 Then you say that you “have a problem with people deciding on a coherent approach to dealing with the implications of the science” but you “have no problem with the Science”!?

                 Next you ask “[I]sn't that what James Shaw has been working on?”. In other words, Science=good, James Shaw=bad, correct? Sounds very much like of what you were accusing those “kids”:

                 They would be taken seriously if they had an actual coherent approach beyond "Climate change bad" and "We should do something about Climate change"

                 Your last comment strongly suggest to me that you are strongly in favour of a lot more talking for policy development to tackle climate change, but not by those “kids” and James Shaw, correct?
               • Stuart Munro. …

                 27 September 2019 at 2:07 pm

                 All law is dictatorial to crooks.

                 A lot of right activity is aimed at destroying state capacity to regulate effectively – until you produce coherent content it's safe to presume your object is filibustering.
               • Poission …

                 27 September 2019 at 3:12 pm

                 Unless you are advocating a dictatorial approach.

                 That is also the problem with empty rhetoric,and it requires some hard questions.Ted Nordhaus posed the problem as such.

                 "As many environmentalists and even elected Democrats have come to believe that serious climate disruption is already upon us, it has become fashionable to call for a World War II-style mobilization to fight climate change. But virtually no one will actually call for any of the sorts of activities that the United States undertook during the war mobilization—rationing food and fuels, seizing property, nationalizing factories or industries, or suspending democratic liberties. …

                 … If one believed that the climate crisis was already under way and that the world had only a decade or so not only to stop the growth of emissions but to slash them deeply, an emergency mobilization to rapidly cut carbon dioxide emissions would seemingly be the only sane response. But the apocalyptic rhetoric, endless demands for binding global temperature targets, and radical-sounding condemnations of neoliberalism, consumption, and corporations only conceal how feeble the environmental climate agenda actually is. The vagueness and modesty of the Green New Deal is not proof that progressives and environmentalists are closet socialists. It is, rather, evidence that most climate advocates, though no doubt alarmed, don’t actually see climate change as the immediate and existential threat they suggest it is "

                 https://issues.org/the-empty-radicalism-of-the-climate-apocalypse/

                 So if the threat requires a WW2 response such as mobilization of the unemployed into camps in remote areas to say plant trees,exterminate possums ,build groyne's on the coast etc, who would argue against such a policy?
         • AB 4.2.1.1.3

           27 September 2019 at 2:08 pm

           I think we need to take Gosman very seriously. We can see in his comments the lineaments of a coming conflict. His opinions represent a cohort of people who have considerable wealth and power and who will resist any response to CC that disrupts the existing economic system or their primacy within it. The only responses they are likely to tolerate will be market/profit-driven. In that model, neoliberal capitalism's entrepreneurial heroes find tech solutions, profit immensely from them, and the whole system keeps going on forever. We can view it as delusional and simply as the latest position in the trajectory of denialism, but that doesn't make it any less powerful.
           • Gosman 4.2.1.1.3.1

             27 September 2019 at 3:51 pm

             Exactly. And yet the vast majority of responses seem to be exactly the same as the kids involved in the climate change "strike". A vague undefined call to some sort of action. What action is unclear. At least you are advocating for something tangible.
             • solkta …

               27 September 2019 at 3:57 pm

               Exactly, i'm a knob.

               FIFY
           • greywarshark 4.2.1.1.3.2

             27 September 2019 at 5:21 pm

             I fear going through the clobbering machine from the RW coming down on us as they did in the old days when the ordinary folks really disturbed the established order with a port strike in 1913. (I don't know the rights and wrongs of it. But it was serious.)

             https://teara.govt.nz/en/photograph/25295/masseys-cossacks

             

             The 1913 waterfront dispute saw wharf workers take over the main ports and stop trade. Prime Minister William Massey called for farmers and rural labourers to enlist as special constables to help regain control of the wharves, pitting town against country. This group of special mounted constables – nicknamed 'Massey's Cossacks' – were the Levin Troop, and included future military hero and governor-general Bernard Freyberg (second from right).

             and it got hot in places:

             https://heritageetal.blogspot.com/2013/10/south-aucklands-special-constables.html

             Certainly the specials were issued – and often photographed, as seen above – with fearsome looking batons (the official issue was long hardwood batons, or sometimes axe handles, for mounted specials; short batons for foot specials). However, contemporary reports make it clear that intimidation – abuse, stones, bricks and perhaps even gunshot – was equally directed by the strikers against the strike-breakers.

             Most of the violence occurred in Wellington, where the strike began, rhetoric was at its hottest, and for a time the strikers seized control of the wharves. There ensued scenes never seen before on New Zealand streets. Soldiers and sailors paraded with fixed bayonets. Machine gun emplacements were set up on street corners. Spiked devices to lame horses were strewn on the streets. Even a cache of dynamite was discovered. In the overheated atmosphere a number of bloody clashes occurred between the police and special constables and the strikers and their supporters.

             Was town v country in 1913. Now RW wilfully-ignorant and comfortable against the aware and uncomfortable future-viewers.
   • weka 4.3

     27 September 2019 at 6:17 pm

     "Other than getting a day off from School work what is it that these kids actually want to happen?"

     I can't tell if you are genuinely that stupid or just trolling. Try reading the post and watching the 30 sec video at the top of the post, and then you won't come across as a knob.
   • mauī 4.4

     27 September 2019 at 7:42 pm

     How dare you!
5. Mista Smokey 5

   27 September 2019 at 11:19 am

   Gosman, I believe they desire for the future generations to have some Wonder Planet left, and not dwell in hell.

   Your wearisome stirring feels sad and useless. There must be something else in life.

   Maybe, quit the questions this very day. Meet the lively young 'uns. Come along!
   • Gosman 5.1

     27 September 2019 at 12:32 pm

     I saw some of them before the march in Wellington. One had a sign saying "Some of you have not seen WALL-E " and another had a sign saying "Fish are our friends not food". What either of those has to do with tackling climate change is unclear.
     • Mista Smokey 5.1.1

       27 September 2019 at 3:02 pm

       Gosman, so glad to hear you were inspired to attend the Wellington March. Sounds like this is the beginning of a brave new you.

       You say " I have no problem with the science." That's great. So what's the action then? Come on, what needs to happen now.
6. dv 6

   27 September 2019 at 11:39 am

   At a local candidates meeting, climate change was at the forefront of the meeting.

   This was not the case 3 years ago in my recollection,
7. lprent 7

   27 September 2019 at 1:01 pm

   At the Auckland march on queen street.

   Ambulance needed to get through at Wellesley st. path cleared in a few secs. impressive.

   Best placard so far "fuck mike hosking"
   • Gosman 7.1

     27 September 2019 at 1:03 pm

     Yeah because that is real helpful /sarc
     • lprent 7.1.1

       27 September 2019 at 1:31 pm

       They know the kind of person who is an enemy. At least they are out here doing something.

       I haven't noticed you ever suggesting anything positive – just whining like a spoilt child and apparently never doing anything.

       Do you ever get off your glutinous arse and do anything apart from moan about others doing anything.

       Or would that just endanger your jelly like morals and ethics?
   • Formerly Ross 7.2

     27 September 2019 at 1:10 pm

     To be fair, that placard works for any issue Hosking comments on.
   • Incognito 7.3

     27 September 2019 at 1:18 pm

     Kate Hawkesby?
     • Andre 7.3.1

       27 September 2019 at 2:13 pm

       She's looking for a threesome?
       • greywarshark 7.3.1.1

         27 September 2019 at 5:24 pm

         Ooh – nah Andre.
       • Incognito 7.3.1.2

         27 September 2019 at 6:15 pm

         Mike is a threesome: me, myself, and I.
     • lprent 7.3.2

       27 September 2019 at 5:27 pm

       One would hope so in the interests of marital harmony. However looked like someone much much younger and unlikely to be that interested in him.

       But I'd hazard a guess and say they have seen the dumb old man with the motormouth, premature dementia, and no obvious intelligence on TV at some time (and obviously been revolted by him).
   • WeTheBleeple 7.4

     27 September 2019 at 2:51 pm

     My favourite placard was 'Mike Hosking is a shit New Zealander'. I would have lost my shit if there was one for Gosman.
8. McFlock 8

   27 September 2019 at 1:14 pm

   Always a good sign when Gosman starts going on about how he's totally not bovvered at all. At the moment he’s responsible for about a third of the comments on this post lol
   • greywarshark 8.1

     27 September 2019 at 5:28 pm

     Can we actually ban Gosman for a month or so, for the good of the blog? It makes us look so petty that we get on the treadmill of we v him and throwing cowpats. Can we save our forays for elsewhere or each other! Gos and his ilk sidetrack the brain onto branch lines that are closed.
9. Ad 9

   27 September 2019 at 1:27 pm

   Awesome march in Queen Street – good vibe and good numbers.
   • Ad 9.1

     27 September 2019 at 1:43 pm

     Hopefully Shaw takes a little courage from this.
   • lprent 9.2

     27 September 2019 at 5:29 pm

     Too long. They'd kind of filled Queen Street before I managed to start walking out of Aotea Square.
10. marty mars 10

    27 September 2019 at 2:48 pm

    Good stuff

    Kiwi businesses support striking staff

    New Zealand businesses have given their employees permission to take to the streets.

    Freedom Farms, the Garage Project, Ethique and others have pledged to support the Not Business As Usual alliance.

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/environment/climate-news/116111023/live-students-leave-school-for-nationwide-climate-change-strike

    and for the people that still just don't get it yet 🙂

    Garage Project's Pete Gilespie says there is no beer on a dead planet.
    • aom 10.1

      27 September 2019 at 11:15 pm

      Great sign at Commonsence Organics in Wellington. Said they were on strike for the duration of the protest.
11. greywarshark 11

    27 September 2019 at 5:41 pm

    Good humoured gathering in CBD Nelson – fine weather, not too much wind so tall mannikins of green goddess with people holding up and moving arms to and fro for effect was good. A lot of work had gone into it and police were there to keep an eye but very relaxed, though they noticed a fresh breeze because of their short-sleeves which though sunny, was from a snow covering on distant mountains.

    Youngsters performed haka I think and sang and a great number of young ones both primary and secondary marched down the street, accompanied by many large coloured satin Extinction Rebellion banners, after initial Cathedral steps gathering and celebration of the occasion. Lots of placards – good simple one saying 'There Is No Planet B'. Traffic was halted each side of Trafalgar Street and some businesses closed and joined. A large number of adults, the backbone of the green movement, old, and many young ones as well; a few pregnant, one needing a sit down as a bit much for so advanced a state, but still turned up. People came from Richmond, Tasman to join.

    Thanks to all those who put in so much planning and work, with heartfelt concern for our country, society, world.
    • weka 11.1

      27 September 2019 at 7:26 pm

      good report, thanks.
12. mosa 12

    27 September 2019 at 7:28 pm

    GREED and Neoliberal control will win over the environment $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
    Till death by heat then flooods destroys everything.

    Still rule and control.

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