The view from Southland

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1. roy cartland 1

   29 June 2017 at 9:42 am

   And yet it’s always just rot within the party isn’t it, never the Party itself.
   • Robert Guyton 1.1

     29 June 2017 at 10:17 am

     That’s right, Roy, like farmers blaming the “cowboys in the industry” for effluent spills, rather than the industry itself. It’s an old, old blame-shifting, responsibility-denying, reality-avoiding ploy.
     • bwaghorn 1.1.1

       29 June 2017 at 11:10 am

       is that same as maori blaming white people for their ills?,
       • weka 1.1.1.1

         29 June 2017 at 11:13 am

         only if you think the cowboys colonised the rest of the farmers, stole their land, suppressed their culture, and forced them to assimilate into a different world view and way of living.

         hmm, did I just describe Federated Farmers?
         • greywarshark 1.1.1.1.1

           29 June 2017 at 11:25 am

           No b waghorn it’s the same as farmers blaming the townies sewage spills in certain places for a nationwide rort that farmers – in general – are enabled to get away with.

           Maori are caught up in the whole nation culture, and are oppressed by it. Farmers are part of the culture and have been upraised by it, and the culture has been changed to suit them.

           Maori have been busy trying to regain some of their resources that the farmers sequestered long ago and threw Maori off their land and imprisoned them. Similar to the Highland Clearances where the people were left to catch cold starve be homeless or be settled on the coast where storms would lash their front doors etc. and they were expected to live off farming kelp but the market wasn’t big enough to support all the crofters who needed it. Many of them came to NZ and were part of the push to push Maori off land. Like a nasty tide that rolls around the world.

           So those are a few more thoughts to add to the ones that people have of Maori and their difficulties. And I haven’t even referred to the closing down of businesses in favour of importing all our needs where we once would have had employment and respect and wages in the pocket and the community.
         • Tricledrown 1.1.1.1.2

           29 June 2017 at 12:42 pm

           True.
         • bwaghorn 1.1.1.1.3

           29 June 2017 at 4:59 pm

           ”hmm, did I just describe Federated Farmers?”

           more likely the banks
           • weka 1.1.1.1.3.1

             29 June 2017 at 5:47 pm

             them too 🙂
       • Robert Guyton 1.1.1.2

         29 June 2017 at 12:32 pm

         I don’t think so, bwaghorn; it’s more like choosing a scapegoat from among one’s own, rather than blaming another “tribe”.
       • marty mars 1.1.1.3

         29 June 2017 at 1:37 pm

         Why go there daggy why introduce Māori into your argument – are you a wanker?
         • bwaghorn 1.1.1.3.1

           29 June 2017 at 4:56 pm

           on occasion yes, but it was to highlight the obsessive nature of the likes of R G s attacks on farmers , it’s almost a quasi racism .
           I mean what part of the post was about dairy farming ffs?

           also if you want to get something noticed here you need to go nuclear at times. sorry for the offence
           • Robert Guyton 1.1.1.3.1.1

             29 June 2017 at 7:23 pm

             “quasi racism” to use an example from the everyday world?
             Curious interpretation, bwaghorn. Farming is a dominant culture in New Zealand – you feel we shouldn’t use as a measure it to describe other behaviours?
             Oddly defensive position you have there.
             • weka …

               29 June 2017 at 8:50 pm

               Although within farming there are different power structures. Can’t compare the corporate owner of a large farm with a life style block farmer nor again with a farm worker.
           • marty mars 1.1.1.3.1.2

             29 June 2017 at 8:41 pm

             Mate you just did a Hone ☺ all good
             • weka …

               29 June 2017 at 9:00 pm

               lol, I was thinking that too!
2. Draco T Bastard 2

   29 June 2017 at 10:48 am

   But politics is not a game in which bluffing and misdirection are to be placidly accepted as tactical necessities.

   But that is how National treat it. Lies and misdirection are their normal MO as can be seen from the list of their documented lies.
3. Heather Grimwood 3

   29 June 2017 at 11:54 am

   I applaud the courage of the editor of the ‘Southland Times’.
4. Robert Guyton 4

   29 June 2017 at 12:30 pm

   The Southland Times editorials are sometimes provided from outside of the region through the Fairfax network. Local stories though, like this one, are most likely to have been penned in-house. Michael Fallow used to write witty, perceptive editorials, though no author is ever cited, but he’s working “on other things” now, I believe. The editor of the Southland Times is Natasha Hollands, a Southlander raised in Winton, I think. Most of her friends will be Southlanders, I imagine.
   • Heather Grimwood 4.1

     29 June 2017 at 1:36 pm

     To Robert at 4: thanks for informing that Editor of Southland Times is a woman. I had fey feeling that was written by a woman!
     • Robert Guyton 4.1.1

       29 June 2017 at 6:18 pm

       “fey feeling”, Heather? That’s lovely!
       • Heather Grimwood 4.1.1.1

         29 June 2017 at 6:45 pm

         to Robert at 4.1.1 : Ah yes..some of us witches have an inbuilt sixth sense. My Celtic ancestors used term being ‘fey’ …today we’d use having ‘vibes’. None of these realities should ever be ignored! ( off topic I guess)
         • Robert Guyton 4.1.1.1.1

           29 June 2017 at 7:12 pm

           Off topic? Not at all. Funny though, “some of us witches…”
           Haven’t you all? In fact,haven’t we all?
           In any case, great sub-thread. I’m all ears, like a hare 🙂
   • Robert Guyton 4.2

     30 June 2017 at 3:48 pm

     Dang! Wrong again – must give up commenting from the hip. Michael Fallow still writes witty, perceptive editorials and I’m thanking my lucky stars for that. Natasha’s last name, note to self, is Holland, not Hollands. It’s the hair-shirt for me. Two days should do it. That, or ask Bill about Hail Mary’s and if he can contract those out, though he must have his on spin cycle, full speed at the moment. Perhaps when things calm down and Bill’s back on the farm. 🙂
5. McFlock 5

   29 June 2017 at 1:23 pm

   This claim does violence to common sense.

   And that line is pretty cool. Probably lifted from that plonker Dawkins, but goes back to at least an 1838 speech in New Hampshire House of Representatives. Still bloody good, though.
   • Robert Guyton 5.1

     29 June 2017 at 1:27 pm

     I thought the same when I read it, McFlock. Very effective expression for cutting through the usual, “oh well” fog.
   • weka 5.2

     29 June 2017 at 1:45 pm

     +2 Serious stuff.
6. Karen 6

   29 June 2017 at 5:02 pm

   “In what he has done and in what he has failed to do, English has himself become a party to the deception of the public.”

   This is really interesting and very subtle. Practising Catholics (like Bill ) will know the words “in what he has done and in what he has failed to do” very well as they are part of the confiteor and said as part of mass every Sunday.
7. Grafton Gully 7

   29 June 2017 at 6:43 pm

   So English has debased the “straightforwardness brand”. So fucking what ? When did straightforwardness matter to the slime that run National ?
8. Graeme 8

   29 June 2017 at 7:01 pm

   Poll on the webpage of our local weekly in Queenstown, Mountain Scene http://www.scene.co.nz

   “Will the Todd Barclay scandal change your vote in the election?”

   Last I looked when posting this, 53% Yes and rising, was 50% at 6pm
   • Robert Guyton 8.1

     29 June 2017 at 7:16 pm

     The Queenstown neolibs will now vote “other than Todd”.
     Hooray!
     Guess they’ll go for the new guy, or ACT.
     Happy days!
     • weka 8.1.1

       29 June 2017 at 7:24 pm

       Not sure about that RG. People are probably thinking about the party vote.
       • Robert Guyton 8.1.1.1

         29 June 2017 at 7:32 pm

         Candidate vote here will change as protest, but party vote, same as it ever was.
         • Heather Grimwood 8.1.1.1.1

           29 June 2017 at 7:43 pm

           positive vibes only please RG! ( at 8.1.1.1)
   • weka 8.2

     29 June 2017 at 7:23 pm

     hard to know what to make of that though. Would left wing voters answer?
     • Graeme 8.2.1

       29 June 2017 at 9:19 pm

       Green and Labour vote in Wakatipu was 25% in 2014. Greens got 679 and Lab 495. The area really doesn’t vote, but is strongly blue. I’d say most of that change would go NZF or not vote.
       • weka 8.2.1.1

         29 June 2017 at 10:21 pm

         that’s very interesting.
9. Robert Guyton 9

   29 June 2017 at 7:27 pm

   Arvensis?
   • Robert Guyton 9.1

     29 June 2017 at 7:55 pm

     “hiding in the hedgerows for a spell”

     Magic!
     • joe90 9.1.1

       29 June 2017 at 9:21 pm

       …don’t be alarmed now….
10. greywarshark 10

    29 June 2017 at 10:33 pm

    I like this bit:

    And it’s whispered that soon, if we all call the tune,
    Then the piper will lead us to reason.
    And a new day will dawn for those who stand long,
    And the forests will echo with laughter.

    Thanks AZ Lyrics.

    The last bit with Robert G in mind.
    • left_forward 10.1

      30 June 2017 at 8:50 am

      and appropriately,

      “Yes, there are two paths you can go by, but in the long run. There’s still time to change the road you’re on.”

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