CTU YouTube vid

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1. Lampie 1

   22 October 2008 at 11:06 pm

   that is bloody god by arse, ooo i said arse
2. Ianmac 2

   22 October 2008 at 11:27 pm

   Absolutely brilliant. Even some truth in it, but would they set a reserve for Kiwibank when putting it on Trademe. And it confirms that Bill knows more than John about economics.
   “OOOOOH. You said arse!”
   “No I didn’t I said ass, so there!”
   “Liar!”
3. Tim Ellis 3

   23 October 2008 at 12:35 am

   “How to win friends and influence new Ministers, by Helen Kelly”.

   It’s good to see the CTU nail their colours to the mast. Pity they won’t engage in serious debate, though.

   It’s a bit short on facts, though. National have said they won’t sell state assets. If that promise isn’t credible, then nor is Labour’s claim that they won’t cancel their tax cuts.

   The video was obviously produced before the PREFU though, because National’s fiscal package shows less debt forecast than Labour’s. If National is borrowing for its tax cuts, then so too is Labour.

   The Huntly power station in the background wasn’t sold by National. It is still very much owned by Mighty River Power.

   Three quarters of the power generation is state-owned. They’re making big profits, but it’s the Government that’s been creaming those profits off power users.

   Roger Douglas didn’t sell Telecom. The 4th Labour Government did. Roger Douglas was Minister of Police during the sale. He hadn’t been Minister of Finance for a year prior to the Telecom sale. Helen Clark, however, had been Deputy Prime Minister for a year prior to the Telecom sale. She voted for the sale in Cabinet and in caucus.

   It’s a pity the CTU couldn’t resort to fact with their scaremongering.
4. Steve Pierson 4

   23 October 2008 at 8:32 am

   tim, it’s hilarious though, eh?
5. Tim Ellis 5

   23 October 2008 at 8:43 am

   SP, I thought parts of it were funny. The way John Key was holding his mouth was comical. So was Roger’s “SELL! SELL!”, and Rodney bouncing over the place. But overall I thought it was overdone and extreme, and I don’t think it will amuse anybody other than the most entrenched Labour voter.

   I found it as about amusing as a faked eviction letter to elderly state house tenants.
6. vidiot 6

   23 October 2008 at 8:53 am

   Why was Rodney dressed as a Professional Wrestler ? I would have thought he would have suited something more like: http://blogs.knoxnews.com/knx/brown/archives/nachoCROP.jpg

   Also interesting to see the play on ‘set everything to sell, after the next election’ – seems to be a common theme with some of the promises that have been made of late that don’t come in to effect (or reality) until much later on.
7. Tane 7

   23 October 2008 at 8:59 am

   It’s good to see the CTU nail their colours to the mast. Pity they won’t engage in serious debate, though.

   Tim, go and have a look at their website. It seems sometimes that all the CTU does is engage in serious debate.

   vidiot, I understand it’s a reference to Dancing with the Stars.
8. randal 8

   23 October 2008 at 8:59 am

   tim elliss…tuff titty….ooops…I said titty.
9. Julie 9

   23 October 2008 at 9:00 am

   Well the CTU have been nailing their colours to the mast for some time now in fact, what with the Fairness at Work campaign, and the leafleting of public transport hubs and so on. This is hardly the first thing they have done for the election, just part of their campaign, and the other materials I have seen are much more fact-based, whereas clearly this clip serves a different purpose.

   And it’s not like it’s less fact based than National’s Taxathon ad in 2005.
10. randal 10

    23 October 2008 at 9:06 am

    Thanks for that JUlie. It is nice to see reasoned support for an organisation that has New Zealand workers best interests at heart instead of the swingeing nitpicking from the extreme right.
11. Tim Ellis 11

    23 October 2008 at 9:20 am

    And it’s not like it’s less fact based than National’s Taxathon ad in 2005.

    That’s a very fair point, Julie. The ad did remind me very much of National’s taxathon ad in style. Not very original, was it? Like I say I think the hyperbole that surrounded the CTU clip and dated references which not even the Labour Party is silly enough to use anymore (like borrowing for tax cuts) shows that the clip should have been released two months ago.
12. Ianmac 12

    23 October 2008 at 10:24 am

    Tim: They do want to borrow for tax-cuts but not from overseas. They want to borrow from my inheritance and that of my children. But lets not borrow. Just take it out of Kiwisaver and then not to pay it back.
    Will this clip be aired in a wider forum?
13. Tane 13

    23 October 2008 at 10:38 am

    Ianmac, I hear it was on Sunrise this morning.
14. NeillR 14

    23 October 2008 at 10:48 am

    Meanwhile back in the real world, how is Cullen going to pay for that decade of deficits? I notice that Clark refuses to rule out tax rises in the mini-budget, so you can safely assume that National’s tax cuts are substantially higher than Labour’s by mere the fact that Labour’s will be gone by lunchtime.
15. Tane 15

    23 October 2008 at 10:51 am

    NeillR – nice threadjack attempt. You even managed to get John’s favourite phrase ‘decade of deficits’ in there.
16. NX 16

    23 October 2008 at 11:04 am

    [Tane: Deleted. No need to personalise your comment like that.]
17. NX 17

    23 October 2008 at 11:26 am

    Geez… over-kill. Can I at least say the clip was enjoyable……
18. Tane 18

    23 October 2008 at 11:32 am

    Yeah, that’s all good. It’s the unsolicited personal abuse against posters on this site that I object to.
19. NX 19

    23 October 2008 at 12:01 pm

    ^ Okay fair enough. But for people wondering what my devastating personal attack was – I compared & contrasted the CTU’s video with the material produced by Clinton.

    [Tane: That was the thrust of it, it was your creepy and patronising tone as well as the gratuitous nature of the attack that wasn’t welcome.]
20. Julie 20

    23 October 2008 at 12:17 pm

    So Tim you’re shifting the ground and your problem with the CTU clip is now that it’s not original enough (too derivative of the National ad in 2005, which itself was derivative of other things) and dated (they are 2 months too late with the line about borrowing for tax cuts). Good to see you’ve clarified that your opposition is about style rather than substance. Well done that man.
21. Tim Ellis 21

    23 October 2008 at 12:40 pm

    I didn’t shift ground Julie. I pointed out some fairy essential factual errors in the CTU clip, and said I found parts of it amusing. I explained that the only reason that I could see that it would include the “borrowing for tax cuts” line is if it had been produced before the PREFU, because since the PREFU both parties are borrowing for tax cuts. In fact, since National’s economic package, National plans to borrow less money than Labour.

    Shifting ground is when somebody contradicts what they’ve previously said. I don’t have a big problem with the clip, since I think it will only at best energise the extreme Left, and at worst alienate the centre who will see it as dirty campaigning. There are plenty of international examples of factless, dirty campaigning. It looked like swiftboating to me.
22. Scribe 22

    23 October 2008 at 7:07 pm

    I think it’s a funny video, but I doubt it’s a vote-winner. (Though that may well not have been the CTU’s intention. Dunno.)

    IanMac,

    They want to borrow from my inheritance and that of my children. But lets not borrow. Just take it out of Kiwisaver and then not to pay it back.

    Nonsense. They’re not taking any of your money. It’s a line that many are using, though, so you’re not alone in trying to tap into people’s ignorance.

    How can National take money from you with their changes to Kiwisaver? Short answer: they can’t.

    captcha: salary piled — see, just do that and your retirement will be fine and dancy
23. Steve Pierson 23

    23 October 2008 at 7:17 pm

    Ianmac

    “Will this clip be aired in a wider forum?”

    Tane

    “Ianmac, I hear it was on Sunrise this morning.”

    To be fair, Sunrise gets 20,000 viewers. that’s not much of a wider forum.
24. Steve Pierson 24

    23 October 2008 at 7:22 pm

    Ianmac

    “Will this clip be aired in a wider forum?”

    Tane

    “Ianmac, I hear it was on Sunrise this morning.”

    To be fair, Sunrise gets 20,000 viewers. that’s not much of a wider forum than this one.
25. Piers Stevens 25

    23 October 2008 at 7:29 pm

    Sell Everything!!

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