Hitting the political spot

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1. Ovid 1

   3 September 2020 at 9:26 am

   I’m a little younger in my early 40s and found it a strong ad too. Here’s a discussion with the ad maker.
2. Stuart Munro 2

   3 September 2020 at 10:02 am

   Maybe if we'd had an Ed Markey we wouldn't have have our fishing industry captured. There's a bit of a groundswell developing against the folk who glommed it, and the nodding dog MPs that let it happen.
3. Andre 3

   3 September 2020 at 10:24 am

   I'm not reading much into Markey holding on against Kennedy. Because Alex Morse didn't manage to knock off the useless POS Richard Neal that really needs to go, in a Massachusetts House district that's very averagely similar to the state as a whole. Seems to me that as much as anything, it merely illustrates the power of incumbency.

   https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2020/9/1/21409160/richard-neal-wins-massachusetts-democratic-primary-alex-morse
4. Byd0nz 4

   3 September 2020 at 10:37 am

   Well I' in my seventies and there is nothing the left can learn from the Yanks except to keep them at arms length
   • Sean Carroll 4.1

     3 September 2020 at 8:37 pm

     I agree that the US 'left' has nothing to teach NZ 'left'. Though our 'left' is pretty much right of centre anyway in my old fashioned terms. When will we re-own our power generation capacity? When will our poverty and dire housing levels be turned back? Not with any of our political parties.
5. Sabine 5

   3 September 2020 at 10:41 am

   Maybe the first thing to do would be to define 'lefty' cause in this case both would argue that they are 'left', as in 'democratic party member and elected officials'.

   To many not in the US that may seem not 'left' but in the US that is the left.

   So if we want to ponder about what NZ could learn from it, we need to define "left' for NZ.
   • Draco T Bastard 5.1

     3 September 2020 at 12:57 pm

     How about, instead of defining Left or Right-wing, we define a workable society?
6. Gabby 6

   3 September 2020 at 11:58 am

   Not in the pocket of corporate donors?
   • weka 6.1

     3 September 2020 at 12:02 pm

     if you are suggesting that Markey is in the pocket of corporate donors, say so, and present your argument. Am getting sick of a range of people using insinuation via question in lieu of debate
     • Gabby 6.1.1

       3 September 2020 at 12:15 pm

       I'm suggesting that a working definition of 'leftist' could be 'not in the pocket of corporate donors'.
       • weka 6.1.1.1

         3 September 2020 at 3:49 pm

         the reply function isn't working well on some devices, so it would help if people named the comment the are responding to so we know what is being talked about. Your comment stood alone and appeared to be a reference to the post.
7. Siobhan 7

   3 September 2020 at 11:59 am

   Given that Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez was given only 60 seconds to speak at the Democrat Convention..and that was simply a technicality…while the Iraq War architect Colin Powell got to blather on …..I'm not feeling that hopeful for change beyond the possible narrow victory over the Orange One.
   • Siobhan 7.1

     3 September 2020 at 12:54 pm

     "Rep. Nancy Pelosi says she supports incumbent House Democrats, even if they’re running for Senate.

     During an appearance Sunday morning on CNN, the House speaker defended her decision to endorse Rep. Joe Kennedy III’s campaign to unseat Sen. Ed Markey last week — a move which drew swift criticism from progressive groups and elected officials alleging a “double standard” given the Democratic congressional leadership’s opposition to primary challengers.

     Pelosi, however, says she has been “consistent.”"

     meantime..in the real world…waaaay back in 2019..

     ……"THE DEMOCRATIC CONGRESSIONAL Campaign Committee warned political strategists and vendors Thursday night that if they support candidates mounting primary challenges against incumbent House Democrats, the party will cut them off from business."

     so the lesson? Don't stand with the centrists…they have no intention what so ever of humouring the Progressive Green or the Leftie agenda.
     • Gabby 7.1.1

       3 September 2020 at 4:08 pm

       Pelosi staunch in defence of the Establishment and keeping it in the family/s.
   • Draco T Bastard 7.2

     3 September 2020 at 12:54 pm

     Same thing happens here. Those with more support get to speak longer.

     I happen to think that that is a massive spike in our democracy. How can people make an informed decision if they don't have the same level of information from one party/candidate to the next.
     • Siobhan 7.2.1

       3 September 2020 at 2:01 pm

       "Those with more support"..???

       I would have thought that the Progressives had proved they have alot of support*..and that those voters need to be thrown some sort of bone…you can gaurantee, should Biden lose to Trump the so called "Bernie Bros" ie Progressives..will take the blame..yet no one in the DNC seems that concerned sticking to their progressive promises…(not even when it comes to fossil fuels)

       Meantime Powell and Kasich are presumably speaking in the hope they will bring over the so called 'soft' right wingers..unfortunately they both have very little support..though if you know of polls that would sugest otherwise…

       *"Just two years after she pulled off a stunning upset over a veteran lawmaker, Ocasio-Cortez has become a magnet for small-dollar donors. She has raised more than $10.5 million, about 80 percent of which came from donors giving under $200, the FEC reports show.

       That mammoth haul makes her the fifth-most prodigious fundraiser "
       • Draco T Bastard 7.2.1.1

         3 September 2020 at 2:36 pm

         As measured by the last election and I was speaking about NZ. The Greens don't get anywhere near the speaking time as the larger parties.

         I assume similar practices occur in the US where there's limited speaking time that needs to be divided up.
         • Siobhan 7.2.1.1.1

           3 September 2020 at 3:37 pm

           https://today.yougov.com/ratings/politics/popularity/Democrats/all

           I'm entirely talking about America and the situation within the Democratic Party …as in Wekas piece…and per this pieces choice of photo…Cortez ranks at number 10..same ranking as Hilary Clinton…so again..there is no any justification in sidelining Cortez..

           I very much doubt that someone within the Greens..with that level of support, would be sidelined for a speech in favour of a former national Party supporting General..
8. Draco T Bastard 8

   3 September 2020 at 12:52 pm

   and the bold as theft of JFK’s legendary Inauguration Speech call to Americans.

   Kennedy reminded people that the country was the people and that if they wanted a better country then they were going to have to work for it collectively.

   Markey just reversed that putting it into the realm of the individualism that has torn society apart over the last 40 to 50 years.

   Society cannot exist without the individuals that form it but the individuals cannot live without society that protects and nurtures them.

   Its a symbiotic relationship that needs to be balanced between the needs and desires of the individual and the needs of society and it all needs to exist within the limitations of the environment.
9. Lucy 9

   4 September 2020 at 7:34 am

   Wasn't there two old white men in the Greens who flipped out at the last election? The problem is that old white men have run the world into the state its in so any of them with left wing cred are part of that state. When the chips are down they tend to revert to type and start yelling for the rule of law. We need change and the old white men can not give us that, they and their children have too much to lose! When i was a punk there was a rule about don't trust anyone over 21 as by then you are part of the system and have more to lose if you lose everything. It was a great rule and you can never trust anyone who has an interest in the system remaining. I worry that AOC is surrounding herself with old white men – the Green deal needs to be run by people with future not people with past.

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