In his latest speech, Putin declares Europe to be a colony of the US imperialists.
That this old world order is now over.
Personally I think Putin is overstating the case of Europe's subservience to US imperialism. Putin is overstating the power and influence of US imperialism for his own imperialist motives.
In my opinion this is a declaration of war of one imperialist bloc against another.
Putin thinks the US is in decline and that it is Russia's turn to be the global hegemonic power.
Putin may be right about the first part, but wrong about the second. In my opinion; The world does not need another hegemonic power. The age of imperialism and war needs to come to an end.
With his speech Vladimir Putin has announced that WWIII for a new imperial redivision of the world has started.
The new leader of the British armed forces, General Sir Patrick Sanders, who assumed command of the British army last Monday, yesterday ordered the British army to prepare to fight in Europe in what he called WWIII.
What leaves me most concerned is not so much the assorted tankies and traitors who cheer on on the fascists and autocrats – but that the west is far too complacent and to a degree socially degenerate. In this Putin has a point – and he has judged his moment well.
Sanders is correct in his appraisal, that this is round one of a much tougher contest than most people imagine just yet.
As Britain (and presumably other European military forces), prepare for a wider war in Europe. To become a truly global conflict between the super powers, Just as Imperial Japan did when the European powers were last engaged in war in Europe, China may take the opportunity to advance its imperial interests. The known flashpoints where this conflict will break out are the LAC and Taiwan.
NATO member state Lithuania is now effectively engaged in “direct aggression” against Russia, senator Andrey Klimov argued in his Telegram post on Monday,…..
…. the Russian politician, who heads a commission for the defense of state sovereignty….
….The senator stressed that in this case, Moscow would have a free hand to “solve the problem of the Kaliningrad transit created by Lithuania by ANY means chosen by us.”
Every week there are multiple important issues being reported about gender identity ideology and its impact on society. Almost none of it is being discussed in NZ except occasionally in MSM, or in antagonistic exchanges online. Most of what I am reading comes from feminists in the UK, predominantly left wing or centre left. I’ve been told I shouldn’t be talking about this on TS because this is a labour movement aligned blog, but these are fundamental issues that are part of class analysis. Sex sits alongside ethnicity and socioeconomics as the three great axes of class oppression and resistance and liberation.
One of the most serious aspects is the huge rise in the number of girls seeking to transition in the UK. Gender ideology applauded this, feminists are saying wtaf, girls hate their sexed bodies so much they’d rather have radical surgery and lifetime hormonal treatment than be a gender non conforming girl or lesbian.
NZ Labour just increased funding for transition. This wouldn’t be a problem except for the No Debate and affirmation only political positions that mean medical and psychological services are under pressure to not provide alternative care for distressed youth. If you want to see how badly this can go, read this.
Id suggest the overwhelming majority of people dont consider it is or will be an issue for them and if it ever was they would deal with it in their own manner, if they ever consider it at all……meanwhile there is a roof to put over the head and mouths to feed.
maybe people should consider for the following reasons
a. this is tax payer funded surgery – no matter if it goes well or not
b. the issues stemming from these tax payer funded surgeries and the need for further medical intervention will and is already paid for by the tax payer
c. these surgeries are coming with a hefty carbon foot print
d. these children will be the adults of tomorrow – but then why would anyone alive today complain about that, right it does not affect us here today.
e. like with Contergan in Germany it took a while for the medical establishment to understand and accept the side effects of Contergan – the children with no arms. legs and hands protruding from their shoulders, deformed feet etc etc etc, but eventually it got to much, these kids were suddenly everywhere, and people could see the harm and were rightfully shocked by deformities these children were born with due to a pill that should have been taken of the shelf much earlier. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thalidomide_scandal
f. some – quite a few actually, detransition later in life to find themselves 'nullified' if their genital surgery went fucked beyond believe (i.e. no gentials at all just a urethra), or in need of revisions to keep depth (neo vagina) or in need for a liposuction (if the fake penis is made of upper leg skin/tissues as that is where women (the born ones) typically grow fat – this is for the ones that value girth over length or something, or with life time issues in their arm that provided the tissue/skin/nerve material for a fake penis . Never mind the infections, sepsis etc etc etc. All tax payer funded, and every revision and fixings of another medical problem is too.
I get it, no one cares about males in female prisons, no one cares about males in female sport, or males in female changing rooms. After all this benefits males at the expense of woman (born women) . Something the left and some on the right are quite happy about this. Born women are just low testosterone men, and thus are exactly! (TM) the same as men. No difference between Mum n Dad, no siree, and all that is tax payer funded.
In the meantime we warehouse our homeless who have no roof over their heads to the cost of a million a day in rundown motels. We hand out 300.000 + food grants for people who can’t feed their families and so on and so forth.
So while you don't mind getting kids castrated and sterilised before they even have a notion of sex, lust, orgasm, and maybe reproduction, you might mind the cost that is carried by you, and everyone else around you.
When it touches peoples lives they will devote attention to it…as with everything…until then it remains an academic exercise with no expectation of personal impact.
How many devote their time and energy to researching/discussing/advocating on rare cancers?….those that do have personal experience or academic interest….the wider public dont.
The impact on the ongoing health budget, and the consequential reduction in other areas should be discussed more.
Life time hormonal supplements and dealing with the resultant side effects comes at a high cost.
NZ state provision of trans affirming surgeries is either:
1. Cosmetic surgery (Why?)
2. Life-saving surgery (How?)
This is a huge medical intervention budget, that will result in burgeoning future healthcare requirements for those 'treated'. And declining budgets for others relying on the system for treatment.
One is that any topic or issue ranks somewhere on a ladder of priorities and importance & relevance. It is a personal and political choice to devote attention to it and ‘the cause’. This is often seen as a zero-sum game because of our limited attention spans and time constraints, et cetera.
The other one is that arguably this specific topic area links directly with even bigger and longstanding issue that ought to pique the attention and interest of many more progressively minded people, e.g. here on TS. In other words, it is not mutually exclusive and not a zero-sum game, but rather quite the opposite.
It seems to me that the division seemingly into two camps is artificial, unnecessary, and possibly even deliberate, i.e. divide and conquer. The latter raises the question of cui bono?
Didn't really understand what you are meaning. If you mean there are two sides in the gender/sex wars, then yes, broadly there are. On TS isn't not necessary, people can argue whatever they want. Thing that I find surprising is people going 'oh I tried to say something and got knocked back, so I won't bother again'. I've seen that before but it does seem to be a feature of this debate, as if suddenly people don't want to debate.
And who are they? People of flesh & blood or figments of the imagination?
Didn't really understand what you are meaning.
It’s slightly concerning that you of all people here seem to struggle with understanding what others are saying in this space. So, let me try again, because it was my direct response to what pat and you had said.
As I see it, some view the “gender/sex wars” through a reductionist lens as an isolated issue. As such, one can fairly easily choose to take or leave (dismiss) it. I think this represents pat’s view.
Others may view these wars through a holistic lens as (directly or inextricably) linked to larger issues such as class war, as you pointed out @ 2. As such, one cannot easily ignore and dismiss “gender/sex wars”. I believe this represents your view.
HTH
As an aside, I read of No Debate, women-only spaces, and some perceptions of people not feeling welcome to join the debate (e.g. STFU or scroll on) and it is clear that nothing is clear, that confusion is ubiquitous, and mixed messages are the rule rather than the exception. I’ll leave it for others to judge whether this is an accurate description of ‘the lay of the land’, and, if so, whether it is positive.
These debates are the most highly charged of all, quite possibly because we’re all implicated, one way or another, at a more direct personal level, whether we like it or not. This may also be the reason why this is one of the most difficult issues to debate well and why people disengage, perhaps simultaneously swaying from the holistic view to the more reductionist singular issue PoV in a the-glass-is-half-empty-or-the-glass-is-half-full kinda binary manner.
It's a controversy in every space: culture, politics, religion, medicine, sex, education, philosophy, and personal identity. And when children (or sports!) are involved people get emotional, unable to explore the issues in a fair minded way. Social media has made an issue that should be a rarefied specialist area of medicine into a toxic culture war.
It is a symptom of a wider identity crisis and loss of unifying narratives within the culture.
(Not to worry, the imperial corporate-military media have created a sparkly new cult for everyone!)
It is a holistic part of regressive efforts to relitigate social change over the last 60 years. That the same arguments are now being turned against gay and lesbian minorities is no surprise. Migrants and disabled people can't be far behind. Fear and othering are easy to tap into when people do not see the bigger picture.
What Sacha fails to even acknowledge is that lesbians have been losing a lot of ground because of GI. Australia is on the cusp of making it illegal for lesbians to exclude males who identify as a woman from gatherings, spaces etc.
Self-ID means that any man can say they are a woman at any time. It's not tied to birth certificates, it's tied to social mores.
Lesbians get banned from lesbian dating apps for saying they only want to date females. This is a safety issue, and it's also a rape culture issue. GI says that a man who identifies as a woman and as a lesbian is a woman and a lesbian. There is no such thing as female homosexuality after that.
It's true there is a conservative push against liberal gains of recent decades. And it's true that GI is *also removing women's rights at an alarming pace, and some left wing men are supporting this.
It's utter bullshit to suggest the problem is only progressive/conservative.
Don’t really want to comment on the specific commenter other than to say that if he (an intelligent and genuine contributor here who, as far as I can judge, has much in common with you) and you cannot have a constructive discussion about this then there’s little hope left for a wider debate. I’ll leave it at that.
I’m gobsmacked if lesbians or anybody else for that matter cannot choose whom they want to date on dating apps. I did read the article in The Australian but it said nothing about dating apps!?
It's not if, it's already happening and has been for some time. The reason you don't know about it is because gender identity activists have been so successful with No Debate. I know about it because I listen to lesbians talking about it on twitter. There is a huge amount of discussion there about this.
Don’t really want to comment on the specific commenter other than to say that if he (an intelligent and genuine contributor here who, as far as I can judge, has much in common with you) and you cannot have a constructive discussion about this then there’s little hope left for a wider debate. I’ll leave it at that.
Sacha believes that we are hijacking a labour movement blog. He has repeatedly misrepresented my views and mansplained feminism to me. Then he leaves and won't debate. He's a clear and compassionate thinking person generally, I have no useful explanation for why he is so poor on this and at presenting a coherent argument for his position but instead resorts to the above.
I'm pointing this out because this is a fairly consistent pattern within the war. GC women are open to informed debate. Gender identity people often aren't. I'm quite capable of a constructive conversation, you would have to take it up with him as to why he is not.
Beyond that, in the UK women just got on with organising, and that included constructive conversation. Left wing men can take themselves out of the conversation and women will just carry on without them. The debate isn't dependent on them, and can absolutely carry on. In the UK once people understood what was happening, the debate broadened significantly. That hasn't happened in NZ yet.
I have no desire to meddle in a stoush between you and another commenter. Personally, I think it can be resolved, even amicably, if both persons would wish this.
The topic (of GI wars) has indeed not crossed my radar, for various reasons.
NZ is a fairly small and isolated pool of people, which can be a curse or a blessing.
Personally, I don’t think unilateral debate and outcomes of that (decisions) is a viable way; at some stage others will have to be brought alongside, which is a description of inclusive leadership.
bit of a sore point. After years of watching feminists stop writing here because of the lack of support and because of antagonism from less progressive men, we now have to contend with progressive men actively working against us being here. I can easily write half a dozen posts right now about gender critical issues including what's been happening to lesbians. The reasons why I'm not are important. They're also the reason you and other didn't know about lesbian dating apps.
TWAW means any man who says he is a woman is a woman. That's the end of women's spaces, women's positions, women's sports (although there's been some progress on pushing back on that), women's safety, women's politics, and lesbianism.
Yes, I know it has been a sore point for you for some time and I’m sorry to hear that.
As I observe it, there seems to be a high level of confusion and mutual misunderstanding here on TS about these sorts of things. This has created a perception and thus a confirmation bias that there’s been a gap opening between feminists and progressive men on this site. Of course, there may always be a gap but not necessarily one that cannot be bridged with some respect, honesty & integrity, and whole lot of hard work to really understand what each side is saying (and not saying). Instead of closing/bridging the gap one side has pretty much walked away, the other is about to walk away and very few are left to hold the candle and continue. That doesn’t seem a sustainable situation to me. Best thing is if people could leave their baggage at the door and start afresh but I don’t think that’s realistic (even though I’m a dreamer).
I feel very much like an impartial observer here looking in …
As I observe it, there seems to be a high level of confusion and mutual misunderstanding here on TS about these sorts of things.
Not sure about that. There really are left wing men who believe that TWAW and therefore should be treated as women and women don't get to have say in that. The position by those men on TS is the same as elsewhere. It's not a misunderstanding, it's a fundamental disagreement.
This has created a perception and thus a confirmation bias that there’s been a gap opening between feminists and progressive men on this site.
Not really. There are other progressive men on TS who don't have a problem with feminists debating GI issues.
Instead of closing/bridging the gap one side has pretty much walked away, the other is about to walk away and very few are left to hold the candle and continue.
Who is about to walk away?
There are plenty of GI advocates here. In fact I would say there are more here talking about those issues now than in the past.
And who are they? People of flesh & blood or figments of the imagination?
I was thinking of the system. In which various people play various parts, and get various benefits or detriments. If the left hacks itself to death over liberalism, neoliberalism laughs all the way to the bank.
It’s slightly concerning that you of all people here seem to struggle with understanding what others are saying in this space. So, let me try again, because it was my direct response to what pat and you had said.
I always appreciate people clarifying, and it's not uncommon for me to not understand what people are saying here. So thanks for doing that.
the sex/gender war is easily the most difficult and the weirdest thing I've ever seen in politics.
I agree that liberal thinking is engrained in the system and institutionalised, with all the negative impacts and outcomes that this causes, but I think it is mistake to fight a nameless and faceless system, rage against the machine. We should apply more surgical precision in trying to affect progressive change, hence the cui bono?
The system is a human construct, enabled by and enabling people, but the weird thing is that both beneficiaries and victims seem to be stuck on it (aka TINA) because they don’t know any(thing) better.
Fair comment about asking for clarification (aka when in doubt, ask).
The sex/gender wars do my head it, TBH. It does affect all of us to various degrees but the level of engagement runs from one extreme to the other polar opposite with a huge apathetic (and confused?) mass in between.
The system is a human construct, enabled by and enabling people, but the weird thing is that both beneficiaries and victims seem to be stuck on it (aka TINA) because they don’t know any(thing) better.
Completely agree. Although another dynamic there is people whose politics want system change, but whose personal comfort is ok under neoliberalism and likely to change significantly if we went to a better system. Or they perceive they would lose out because they cannot imagine anything better where everyone’s needs are met. Hence lots of NZers want the housing crisis solved but won't vote for the Greens who would change the system so that the housing crisis can be solved.
Add in the pressures of the pandemic and looming climate crisis and many people are hunkering down rather then stepping into proactive change. I suspect that part of identity politics is entangled in that. It's easy enough to support LGBTI+ on twitter for instance. Makes one feel progressive, but there is a dearth of actual organising around the class issues (sex and socioeconomic. Ethnicity in NZ seems to be doing somewhat better given the influence of Māori in parliament).
I agree that liberal thinking is engrained in the system and institutionalised, with all the negative impacts and outcomes that this causes, but I think it is mistake to fight a nameless and faceless system, rage against the machine. We should apply more surgical precision in trying to affect progressive change, hence the cui bono?
I don't see it as nameless and faceless. Labour are obviously running a neoliberal agenda tempered by social democracy and the politics of wellbeing within a country that is now largely neoliberal. It's good they're doing this rather than just straight out neoliberal centrism, but it's still BAU and blocking change. Labour benefit as a party, pro-neoliberalism MPs benefit, the middle classes benefit and so on. Neoliberalism (the system) is adept at colonising the left. Feminists started naming this in the 90s. The increasingly neoliberal mainstream took the bits of the feminist agenda it liked and could live with and integrated it and established it as the bona fide feminism.
Hence we have liberal feminism, choice feminism, lipstick feminism and so on. It's a feminism of how to be ok within the dominant paradigm. They're not feminisms that seek to liberate women by dismantling the patriarchy.
The overlaps between GI and liberal feminism are large and strong.
Neoliberalism is indeed giving many the illusion of prosperity and wellbeing. This same illusion feeds into our collective delusion that although things are not ‘optimal’ yet and now, with a bit more time and patience things will be(come) better and for more people. This is the golden promise of the brighter future ahead that’s within reach of all as long as they work hard, have the right values, make the right decisions and take the right responsibility, et cetera.
Because neoliberalism is engrained and institutionalised, with a huge bureaucratic system behind it, it is the daily reality. For things to change one needs a couple of things: 1) a realisation that BAU is not ok and that change is needed; 2) a vision of a better alternative; 3) a mission on how to achieve the vision. I fear that many are losing confidence in the democratic and political processes and that the diminishing trust and hope will block any meaningful change. Our individual and atomised sense of helplessness, of not being in control or having very little influence over our lives, is growing into a collective Zeitgeist of the same negative feelings and general apathy. Only through an effective political and democratic process of some description (i.e. not the current version) can we hope to achieve a sense of empowerment to affect change and control our destiny.
It is worth noting that giving individuals or groupings in society a sense of empowerment is always resisted the most because once the gate/door is opened a little bit ‘all Hell will break lose’. Empowering people, all people, at all levels of society, that’s where our efforts should be, IMO. And I don’t think this is anything new of profound either.
I am also a person Pat. A female person. It is definitely not a non issue for me as a female person any more than equal pay for work of equal value, access to abortion anywhere around the world is a non issue. Is it because it may be an issue that is sometimes cared about and expounded on by women that it is a a non issue. I had actually thought that issues being divided intoot big world issues (men) and little domestic type issues (women) had gone long ago. If not then they should have gone ……
Issues are issues. some issues affect or interest different sets of people but they all affect us as human beings
Enough of this tyranny of others deciding who can speak and what they can speak on. Didn't this go out with the Ark as well.
Onward with the discussion …….the fact that some do not like the populace drawing attention to the fact that sometimes the Emperor has no clothes should be reason to stop us speaking out.
I'm included in 'people', Pat, and this is just some of what 'the issue' is for me:
1. The affirmative healthcare approach that has received additional funding has now had clinical reviews in several countries. Where this has happened, they have all concluded the net result is harm, and adjusted their treatment accordingly.
2. Any therapy funded will be affirmation only, not high quality exploratory, because the culture and the incoming 'conversion therapy' bill so celebrated by the not-bothered people, will actually facilitate the pathway to medical interventions whether appropriate for the individual or not.
3. There are psychological and mental health impacts of hormone treatment, often being given at a time of significant brain growth and maturation. This has consequences often ignored in discussions. Another impact on future well-being and health care needs.
4. What is the difference between a young man wanting breast augmentation, and a young woman of the same age wanting the same surgery? One will quality for augmentation under affirmative healthcare, the other will not. It becomes very clear what a woman is here.
5. As a result of the difference of biological sex, the hormonal impact on female transitioners is significant. Most male transitioners retain their genitalia, and if so, have a high likelihood of being able to come off their hormonal treatment and retain both full sexual function (which they may have retained anyway) and their fertility. Females, however, will undergo, medically induced menopause, with all it's congruent impacts. They will experience vaginal atrophy, with the possibility of pain during intercourse. The interruption of hormones to their sexual organs, often results in constant pain, which leads onto further surgeries to relieve that pain, including hysterectomies and oophorectomies. Both of which ensure infertility, and will affect the production of female hormones. The oophorectomy will ensure that from that point on, the woman will require synthetic hormone treatment for the rest of their life, even if they detransition. The future cost is locked in. The same is true for men who have an orchidectomy.
6. Not only is this medical care a concern, we are funding the promulgation of this approach in schools, NGO organisations, government departments, and institutions – ensuring that more will be encouraged to seek such treatments.
There is a wealth of reasons why this needs to be discussed on political platforms. There is also for many a benefit here, in seeing how this topic is treated and #NoDebate is achieved by social monitoring.
How this plays out in wider public discourse can be found here in a 2019 article on Transgender Trend which prints a letter that two GIDS professionals sent to the Guardian:
"At the end of our tethers, in the summer of 2017, we wrote this letter and sent it to the ‘Do you know what I’m really thinking?’ column at the Guardian. Although only a couple of years ago, this was a different time. Gender critical therapists did not yet exist, publicly at least. We thought we would lose our careers if anyone traced it back to us. In fact, we were so paranoid that we posted the letter so it would never be traced. One of us then called the Guardian news desk.
Then we sat back and waited. And waited. Our experiences of speaking out to colleagues had already left us fearing that people would label us transphobic and so ignore our concerns. The Guardian’s total lack of response, at the time, to what we thought was mind-changing information confirmed to us that we were on our own. "
Regarding the Auckland mayoralty poll, Farrar and the Taxdodgers Union are not speaking directly to voters, they are speaking to the three far-right/centre-right candidates, urging one or more of them to pull out. He is deliberately suggestive in a post on his blog.
This is not a win for dignity and respect for any elderly woman compelled to share her personal living space with someone of the opposite sex, in a designated single-sex space.
In the spring of 2021, a social worker at Pen Bay Medical Center contacted Sunrise on behalf of Ms. King, who at the time was a patient at the hospital. The facility initially said there was a room available, but upon learning that Ms. King is transgender Sunrise informed the hospital they would not admit her because she requested to reside in a room with a female roommate.
GLAD thinks otherwise, of course:
“The settlement in Ms. King’s case sends an unmistakable message that transgender older adults should be treated with dignity and respect when seeking long-term care services,” said GLAD senior attorney Ben Klein. “The joint resolution between the parties and the Maine Human Rights Commission makes clear that discriminating against an applicant because they are transgender violates the law, and the nondiscrimination Policy and LGBT-competency training required by this settlement are models for facilities across Maine and the nation to follow.”
Yes you are 'people'…unless you are perhaps AI. Your potential concerns are as far as I can see are founded on overseas events and as stated when (the wider) people see direct impact on their lives you may get the engagement you desire….that does not appear to be the case currently….if you can point to evidence otherwise then your chances of getting that engagement will increase.
Multiple times the NZ position and links have been provided. The thread included references to the the cost to the NZ health system.
You may pretend that women here are not speaking of the impact on NZ youth. We have, and will continue to do so.
The impact on women's rights in NZ is also happening here and now.
This is a NZ societal problem, that is following the pattern of overseas countries in regards to #NoDebate, legislation and impacts. That is why overseas links are provided.
I pretend nothing….it is not a concern that I perceive as requiring my attention (or that of anyone I know) nor does it appear to be a concern of anyone enough for it to be presented in the media, I have no accounts of any of this occurring here….all I see/hear is second hand interpretation of a stoush between (possibly academic) naval gazers half a world away….why would I devote any energy to it?
"Every week there are multiple important issues being reported about gender identity ideology and its impact on society. Almost none of it is being discussed in NZ except occasionally in MSM, or in antagonistic exchanges online. Most of what I am reading comes from feminists in the UK, predominantly left wing or centre left. I’ve been told I shouldn’t be talking about this on TS because this is a labour movement aligned blog, but these are fundamental issues that are part of class analysis. Sex sits alongside ethnicity and socioeconomics as the three great axes of class oppression and resistance and liberation."
a mistake I am unlikely to repeat…but you never know.
And just for the record – Poots openly embraces a Russian neo-colonial order. No ifs, no buts, no possible room for misinterpretation:
Vladimir Putin last night heralded a "new world order" as he took potshots at the West in a speech to business leaders.
The Russian tyrant said his country was a "powerful, sovereign nation" and claimed Moscow was entering a new era of dominance.
"We will definitely use the colossal opportunities provided by current times and will be even stronger," he vowed in a speech at St Petersburg International Economic Forum.
"It is obvious that the rules, the essence of the new world order, will be set by strong sovereign states," he said.
Countries who resist are "doomed to remain rightless colonies", Putin added.
Putin – whose speech was delayed by a cyber attack on the venue – said sanctions placed on Russia in the wake of its invasion of Ukraine were "mad and pointless".
All the tankies here who claimed he was just a poor misunderstood boy can now slink off in shame. You know who you are.
Interesting comment RL – how did you read, " Poots openly embraces a Russian neo-colonial order" when the text goes on to say, "It is obvious that the rules, the essence of the new world order, will be set by strong sovereign states," he said."
Incidentally, here is an alternative reporting of the same address. Seem to recall that other targets of your venom have expressed the view that the days of being corralled into a world where the US decides who is good and who is bad and who should live or who should die needs to end. The current 'world order' may have had been born of strong principles but they were corrupted long ago by the current 'colonial order'.
As for your smug 'piece de resistance ', it may have applied if you had your facts straight, but would have been no less insulting.
Not impressive, RedLogix. Cherry-picking the bits you want (or did you just skim the biased selection of quotes given in our media?)
I agree with aom, and see you as a more wishfully-thinking 'tankie' than even I used to be when I was young.
This is now a very dangerous situation. Neither side willing to give in, and escalation possible.
I don't think Putin was misunderstood: I think the USA was warned long ago by their own ambassador to Russia about how serious Putin and Russia were about the Ukraine.
But, of course, in your rose-tinted eyes, the USA would never have meddled in Ukrainian affairs, would it?
History will judge, if historians do not get wiped out with all the rest of us.
Constantly telling us how terrible the west is for all of its misdeeds in the past – while at the same time backing an imperial invasion of medieval barbarity happening right now, is the very definition of a traitorous bad faith hypocrisy.
Will no one think of the interminable suffering of the poor souls who initially planned to travel to the Cook Islands to look at potential locations for their upcoming wedding on their own but, after the first two changes, decided to bring their children and parents along as well.
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“This time they’ve changed the flights by a whole day, so we’ve got to stay another night in the Cook Islands and pay for 10 more people’s accommodation,” Gardner said. “There are no other options, so you’ve got to accept it, but it’s like ‘are you guys going to help us out with accommodation?’. You can’t just find that out online.”
In reply to pat's view on gender issues. ‘Reply’ not currently working.
You are right pat.
The majority of people are not interested in the issue. When you take into consideration Climate Change, the potential for calamity due to the Russian invasion of Ukraine, famine/pestilence and a worldwide upsurge in extreme violence then it isn’t surprising.
Of course it is an important issue for some, but ramming it down people’s throats is not going to help their cause. By all means put up posts on this site, but I sometimes get the impression there is an attempt to derail other topics under discussion on OM in favour of yet another round of the gender war fracas.
Pat I wanted to ask you but Molly got in first "why does it bother you that we post here?
And we can either follow mistakes made overseas or we can learn from them.
BTW I am absolutely against the increase in funding for these surgeries. Latest evidence from Sweedon shows outcomes are poor (ie. more psychiatric hosptalizations after surgery than before, high rates of suicide and more cardiac problems c/p with controls. This is very good 10 year follow up. So these surgeries aren’t that helpful to the people receiving them and I suspect the “solution” makes the problem worse. Will post link soon.
BTW if there was balanced reporting in the msm about these issues and women weren’t being shut down, it is unlikely I d post on here so
I am completely unperturbed by the posting on gender identity issues on The Standard….my post was in response to the question as to why so few are engaged with the topic for which I offered my perspective….if a small group wish to discuss the subject good luck to you but dont expect ( or demand even) everyone to share your enthusiasm.
…my post was in response to the question as to why so few are engaged with the topic for which I offered my perspective….if a small group wish to discuss the subject good luck to you but dont expect ( or demand even) everyone to share your enthusiasm.
What question? I didn't ask about this. I commented on the fact that gender identity unexamined causes great harm. And I pointed to the actual reason it's not being discussed: the success of No Debate.
I've not seen anything in your comments other than supposition that people aren't interested because transition affects as many people as rare cancers. But how would we know if there's been no public discussion? Further, people in positions of power (academics, medical people, therapists, politicians) are under intense pressure to not speak and not go against the ideology. That means little research, no precautionary principle, and badly written laws and policy. It's not some minor side issue, in the UK people are going to court over this.
Yet if we go the other way and introduce Christianity into the argument people can't wait to join the scrum. Strange world.
Quote:
“Contemporary trends in our culture are constantly changing and need careful attention: some young people experience significant confusion about their gender.”
A subsequent minor (re)lapse (on 17 Feb 2022) was to reply to Molly when a comment of mine (to observer) fell foul – this generated a lengthy exchange that ended amicably enough when I committed to not replying to Molly's comments, and Molly thought that was probably for the best:
This was to be expected if you have been following this issue. However, I didn't expect this situation. I can't blame prison officers. They can't defend themselves. They are underfunded and the hierarchy is useless.
However, Kelvin Davis, a reshuffle survivor, see's things differently.
My short term solution is use new police and army recruits on a rotational basis. That way they get to look evil in the face, unlike the second hand description they get from their instructors. It will also toughen them up both physically and mentally, especially mentally. If these recruits think inmates are only one step up in evolution from monkeys, they will be in for a huge shock to their middle class perceptions. It would also act as a filtering system that allows recruits to think twice about a career that puts them in continual danger.
My suggestion to Labour- call an early election. Either late November or May next year. You have lost control of NZ.
Skip to the Glossary at the end and see that it is all about "gender" and very little about sex. They refuse to give a definition of "homosexuality" and talk about same gender attraction rather than same sex attraction. Note also the inclusion of a "third sex".
They say that children are "assigned a sex at birth" when the truth is that your sex is determined at conception and is observed at birth – or these days by scans etc before birth.
"Sex assigned at birth: All babies are assigned a sex at birth, usually determined by a visual observation of external genitalia. A person’s gender may or may not align with their sex assigned at birth."
The whole curriculum is absolutely captured by, and infested with "gender ideology".
This is unscientific claptrap and one day quite soon some National Party activist is going to make a grand drama out of it.
The judgement comes from you. As someone who says that statement, I know that there is no judgement intended.
I cannot see another way of simply saying that there is a distinct class of the biological sex of women, and transwomen are not members of that group.
Do you have a suggestion on how to accomplish that?
Your suggestion?
No. I think that the current furore about "women with penises", and "men with vaginas", will diminish over time as some NZers come to realise that the magnitude of the ‘threat’ the trans minority poses was misjudged. I could be wrong – it's just a hope.
Not helpful, nor a solution driven approach. More an ignore those who think it's a problem scenario.
I thought back in October 2021, that it was a misunderstanding around language that interfered with robust discussion on this issue. I understood why some people said TWAW, even though I was not one of them, for the reasons stated. I had difficulty understanding why those that did say it, were so adamant that everyone should join in.
Since that first post, I've found the term women to be erased from medical policies and announcements here in NZ, despite evidence showing that such 'inclusive' language reduces the effectiveness and clarity of messages. I've seen how the conflation of sex and gender in political and public discussions is further hampered by the redefinition of the word woman.
There is no other single word to describe adult human females, which is necessary in advocacy and support in terms of politics, social impacts, medicine and statistics.
I've considered and assessed the problem and agree with the solution that was recognised by many before me.
The word woman is already fully occupied by adult human females.
The rainbow, with all its "pretty colours", does seem to confuse and threaten some, while others feel it should be brighter still. Most Kiwis haven't given the rainbow much thought beyond a few harmless casual comments and a little trivial discrimination here and there – your non-tribal approach can change this and build trusting relationships.
How this situation is not of concern to everyone is an indication of how tribal some seem to be.
Not trying to be clever, just occasionally run out of patience.
Thanks for the link to my relevant post. Don't really understand the relevance or remember using the phrase "neon glare of the rainbow" – but I quite like it.
Is that really my most unforgivable quote? … obviously must try harder.
(BTW, arnica's good for persistent bruising on thin skin.)
An intriguing diversion, but your phrase "neon glare of the rainbow" is "revealing". Little wonder that you quite like it – "pretty colours" and all.
Not seeing how its use is consistent with your apparent concerns about “how tribal some seem to be“, but do hope you will use it more often, in keeping with your “stunning and brave” mindset.
[edit] Thank for the arnica advice – another great example of how your non-tribal approach can build trusting relationships.
As you are contributing no counter considerations, offering no information or articulating other perspectives on this topic, but instead choosing to whinge, I have resorted to the lowest form of wit – sarcasm.
As do I. No whinging here – please use your (non-sarcastic?) phrase "the neon glare of the rainbow", with its "pretty colours", as often as you "quite like it", and its relevance to "how tribal some seem to be" may dawn on you.
On a laptop this morning, so now able to access my comment with the notorious, but somewhat adept turn of phrase "neon glare of the rainbow", to see why it was so memorable. (Phone only provided link to post itself, and all comments were inaccessible.)
Leery as I am of obviously truncated "quotes", I wanted to assure myself that I was indeed the author of the obviously memorable phrase, (kudos to me if that was the case) and have a look at the context.
So, on a post about the lack of medical evidence for children, and the fact that countries that have reviewed existing studies have found harm, and exchange with Sabine about the lack of public discussion, and the self-monitoring on the left led to this:
"Women raising concerns are definitely being treated differently to men raising the same concerns, even as those concerns are ignored.
I feel as if women's rights have almost melted away in the neon glare of the rainbow, and that is powered by all the co-opted institutions and governments who are dazzled by the pretty colours.
How this situation is not of concern to everyone is an indication of how tribal some seem to be."
Colour me red and yellow and pink and green, indigo, violet and blue – I am the witty author. Better still, I find myself in complete agreement with myself, in terms of the context of the post and the conversation that was taking place.
Perhaps you could ask yourself why in a post, with many comments on the very real problem of iatrogenic harm to minors by the adoption of such badly evidenced "affirming healthcare" (with a multitude of links and references to research) your 'takeaway' was offense at the somewhat colourful turn of phrase, "neon glare of the rainbow"?
Your clumsy attempt to imply that it means I have no consideration for others, rather than the clear statement that the movement and it's allies demands no scrutiny or critique is worrying.
Perhaps, not surprising though, because when offered a veritable smorgasbord of evidence and a wide variety of talking points where alternative viewpoints were encouraged and would be valuable, you instead opted for the junk food option of the 'takeaway'.
I thank you for the reminder of the phrase "neon glare of the rainbow". I think it describes succinctly the failure of many to do their due diligence in terms of policies, medical interventions, women's rights and child safeguarding in the pursuit of progressive credentials.
I will be using it again, in such context.
As a relic who lived through the eighties, neon glare has little effect on me, but others with weaker eyes may need to put on their sunglasses and start engaging about content rather than choosing 'a fence' to whinge from.
(Bad punning is a result of losing patience with bad faith engagement. You'll obviously have to learn to deal with it, if you engage again with me without providing any relevant points of discussion, or challenging mine with clarity.)
"Women raising concerns are definitely being treated differently to men raising the same concerns, even as those concerns are ignored.
I feel as if women's rights have almost melted away in the neon glare of the rainbow, and that is powered by all the co-opted institutions and governments who are dazzled by the pretty colours.
How this situation is not of concern to everyone is an indication of how tribal some seem to be.
Thank-you for that quote Molly. I did not see the original.
I'm not removed from your concerns. Indeed I can testify to the accuracy of that statement – at least in general terms.
Years ago, I realised I had knowledge of a tiny group of NZers who were implicated in the preparations occurring in advance of the Rainbow Warrior bombing. I was not listened to (because I was a woman) and the culprits were never arrested and charged. I was not harmed [physically] in the immediate ensuing years but my pets were. Enough time has passed now for me to feel able to talk about it.
Go well with your campaign against the rights of women to be listened to… and to be protected from those who do them harm in whatever way it may be.
Curiously I have 2 children who are teachers and in my discussions with them I have detected no such problem…that may be because as with most of the curriculum it is tempered by the common sense of those implementing it.
If there were instances in NZ of minors being forcibly given hormone treatment or surgery i dont doubt that the opposition and media would all over it like a rash….the opportunity would be too good to miss…as to oddly intentioned (minority) health and/or education advocates it is par for the course and parents will consider it as it warrants….adults are free to make their own minds up, right or wrong.
"If there were instances in NZ of minors being forcibly given hormone treatment or surgery.."
I haven't read any comments mentioning that minors are forcibly given treatment. I, along with others, have pointed out that the current "affirming healthcare" model currently in use for minors in New Zealand, is being abandoned by countries who have reviewed the clinical evidence for such an approach.
Not only have those reviews found that treatment for minors is not beneficial, it results in net harms. NZ follows the WPATH and Yogyakarta Principles guidelines. Neither of which is medically based, or clinically evidenced. For some reason, this information is ignored by NZ media, and also, on political blogs such as TS.
"i dont doubt that the opposition and media would all over it like a rash….the opportunity would be too good to miss…"
Except this might not be the case if commentators and media self-censor and regulate.
Not a fan of Ben Shapiro, but didn't know the story behind the clip so did a search, and found this short video of Ben Shapiro covering the background.
However, I wanted to see how the producers and the others on the show responded to a panelist actually physically grabbing someone by the neck and threatening them with physical violence.
So, after looking I found the whole segment. Timeset it to get the response after the incident. You only need to watch a couple of minutes to see how the blatant violence is ignored and excused:
Now, if Ben Shapiro had grabbed Zoey Tur on the back of the neck and threatened to put Zoey in the back of the ambulance – what would the response have been?
Has the left created a sacred class to be excused from any responsibility at all costs?
Do you really believe that in a climate such as this, you are going to be kept informed by media and the opposition?
Has the left created a sacred class to be excused from any responsibility at all costs?
It does this all the time. What you are finally seeing with this trans activism is the logical outcome of a process going back decades or more.
Frankly I am appalled beyond words – and I do not often use that word – at the butchery of teenage bodies (male and female) being sacrificed at the altar of this mad cult. But then like many men I get the distinct message this is in is some unspecified way all our fault anyway – and it is required we STFU.
I hear you regarding your discomfort and disagreement with aligning with feminists on this issue. I have the same aversion to in any way promoting someone like Matt Walsh, who I find uninteresting for the most part, and has very traditional gender stereotypes which GC feminists have fought against for decades – for both sexes.
However, as my concern is for women's rights and the protection of children from indoctrination and iatrogenic harm, I agree where agreement is warranted. I also acknowledge his circle of influence is not only huge, but is located in a demographic where few GC feminists will be found. He might intrigue his viewers enough to find out more, and we should all endeavour to make sure as much robust evidence, considerations and arguments is out there to find as possible. I post not to annoy but inform, although it often does the former only for certain commenters. That's of little concern to me, I just hope some may read and then go look for themselves.
I consider it a foolish expectation for me to need you to be a feminist before agreeing on this issue. By the same token, I don't really think you'd expect me not to be one.
If you consider the issue regarding the iatrogenic harm on minors to be of concern enough to stand beside those who raise the issue then there is a welcome space there.
Choice to engage – and how to engage – lies with us all.
On the theme of left progressiveness, I've also been surprised at how many topics are approached tribally with an expectation of total agreement or banishment.
The choice of many on the left to be authoritarian when the option was available. Mandates and compulsory vaccinations were treated as the only solution rather than a preferred one.
And I am beyond defending the current narrative that leaves the right as the only proponents of free speech.
Where are our left wing defenders of free speech?
At a time when even left and right should be working together as often as possible, I find myself politically homeless. I don't think I'm alone in this dilemma.
Red Logix, I don't blame men for the what is/has happened with gender ideology. I am a little frustrated that some progressive left wing men are not listening to women who are concerned about gender ideology. But I am frustrated with the women who don't seem to grasp what is going on either.
There is almost total censorship in this country in the msm about how gender ideology pervades most of our institutions and many businesses. The msm, particularly Stuff seem to carry an inordinate amount of material which can either only be considered pro trans. They almost without exception ignore any gender critical views or if they mention them, they use terms like "controversial group SUFW". I have yet to see an article about SUFW which reveals what the organisation is truly about. Even though the Judge in the case in Palmerston North High Court stated that SUFW could not be considered a hate group, they are presented as such by the media.
As the media are not doing their job, I think it is not possible to argue that the problems with gender ideology are only happening overseas.
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However I also found that the license for w3 total cache had disappeared. Chasing that now. Explains a sluggishness that has been showing up recently on the site.
I also have hardware for a new home server (and TS host) arriving. Should all be here by tuesday.
asrock rack x570d2u, The main reason for that upgrade is that it has a acceptable BMC for IPMI on it, and I wasn't that interested in doing a xeon system. If supermicro had a workstation/server board for a desktop AMD, then I'd have gotten that. Ryzen 5700G and 64GB RAM.
The disks will just get pulled from the old system ~20Tb of them. But I will look at upgrading the raid 1 array from TS from IBM 120Gb SSDs to something faster.
The old workstation (Ryzen 1700X) will probably get a facelift with a newer GPU, widescreen, and maybe a 3000 series CPU that the x370 chipset supports. But I don't play games apart from Civ6 these days, so I don't think I can be bothered upgrading it to far.
The 5700G looks damn near perfect for a non-gaming work station. Not too dear. Not too hot at 65W on the TPD. Significant grunt if you're doing anything that can use multi-threaded efficiently.
I'll probably just leave this one as air-cooled. The 1700X it is replacing was a nominal 95W, so I water cooled it just in case. I could hear it on air cooled when I ran long compiles. But I never heard it after I water cooled it.
I used a Asus X370 Prime motherboard last time. Hasn't burped at all in the last 5 years of continuous. I'll probably keep it running as the archive server.
I picked the motherboard this time for an ability to do remote updates without having to have the CPU running. 5 months working in Singapore in 2018 made that a very desirable feature this time around.
That is logical – because v6 had been working well for some days now. I was pleased to see that at long last I could reply on my Android phone reliably all week – something that was always very flaky in the past.
It seemed odd to me that a new version would work well for a week and then fail; therefore the problem lay elsewhere.
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David Farrar writes – The Herald reports: TVNZ says it is dealing with about 50 formal complaints over its coverage of the latest 1News-Verian political poll, with some viewers – as well as the Prime Minister and a former senior Labour MP – critical of the tone of the 6pm report. ...
Muriel Newman writes – When Meridian Energy was seeking resource consents for a West Coast hydro dam proposal in 2010, local Maori “strenuously” objected, claiming their mana was inextricably linked to ‘their’ river and could be damaged. After receiving a financial payment from the company, however, the Ngai Tahu ...
Alwyn Poole writes – “An SEP,’ he said, ‘is something that we can’t see, or don’t see, or our brain doesn’t let us see, because we think that it’s somebody else’s problem. That’s what SEP means. Somebody Else’s Problem. The brain just edits it out, it’s like a ...
Our trust in our political institutions is fast eroding, according to a Maxim Institute discussion paper, Shaky Foundations: Why our democracy needs trust. The paper – released today – raises concerns about declining trust in New Zealand’s political institutions and democratic processes, and the role that the overuse of Parliamentary urgency ...
This article was prepared for publication yesterday. More ministerial announcements have been posted on the government’s official website since it was written. We will report on these later today …. Buzz from the BeehiveThere we were, thinking the environment is in trouble, when along came Jones. Shane Jones. ...
David Seymour has failed to get the sweeping cuts he wanted to the free and healthy school lunch programme, Labour education spokesperson Jan Tinetti said. ...
Hon Willie Jackson has been invited by the Oxford Union to debate the motion “This House Believes British Museums are not Very British’ on May 23rd. ...
Green Party MP Hūhana Lyndon says her Public Works (Prohibition of Compulsory Acquisition of Māori Land) Amendment Bill is an opportunity to right some past wrongs around the alienation of Māori land. ...
A senior, highly respected King’s Counsel with decades of experience in our law courts, Gary Judd KC, has filed a complaint about compulsory tikanga Māori studies for law students - highlighting the utter depths of absurdity this woke cultural madness has taken our society. The tikanga regulations will compel law ...
The Government needs to be clear with the people of the Nelson Marlborough region about the changes it is considering for the Nelson Hospital rebuild, Labour health spokesperson Ayesha Verrall said. ...
Ministers must front up about which projects it will push through under its Fast Track Approvals legislation, Labour environment spokesperson Rachel Brooking said today. ...
The Government is again adding to New Zealand’s growing unemployment, this time cutting jobs at the agencies responsible for urban development and growing much needed housing stock. ...
With Minister Karen Chhour indicating in the House today that she either doesn’t know or care about the frontline cuts she’s making to Oranga Tamariki, we risk seeing more and more of our children falling through the cracks. ...
The Labour Party is saddened to learn of the death of Sir Robert Martin, a globally renowned disability advocate who led the way for disability rights both in New Zealand and internationally. ...
Labour is calling for the Government to urgently rethink its coalition commitment to restart live animal exports, Labour animal welfare spokesperson Rachel Boyack said. ...
Today’s Financial Stability Report has once again highlighted that poverty and deep inequality are political choices - and this Government is choosing to make them worse. ...
The Green Party is calling on the Government to do more for our households in most need as unemployment rises and the cost of living crisis endures. ...
Unemployment is on the rise and it’s only going to get worse under this Government, Labour finance spokesperson Barbara Edmonds said. Stats NZ figures show the unemployment rate grew to 4.3 percent in the March quarter from 4 percent in the December quarter. “This is the second rise in unemployment ...
The New Zealand Labour Party welcomes the entering into force of the European Union and New Zealand free trade agreement. This agreement opens the door for a huge increase in trade opportunities with a market of 450 million people who are high value discerning consumers of New Zealand goods and ...
The National-led Government continues its fiscal jiggery pokery with its Pharmac announcement today, Labour Health spokesperson Ayesha Verrall says. “The government has increased Pharmac funding but conceded it will only make minimal increases in access to medicine”, said Ayesha Verrall “This is far from the bold promises made to fund ...
This afternoon’s interim Waitangi Tribunal report must be taken seriously as it affects our most vulnerable children, Labour children’s spokesperson Willow-Jean Prime. ...
Te Pāti Māori are demanding the New Zealand Government support an international independent investigation into mass graves that have been uncovered at two hospitals on the Gaza strip, following weeks of assault by Israeli troops. Among the 392 bodies that have been recovered, are children and elderly civilians. Many of ...
Our two-tiered system for veterans’ support is out of step with our closest partners, and all parties in Parliament should work together to fix it, Labour veterans’ affairs spokesperson Greg O’Connor said. ...
Stripping two Ministers of their portfolios just six months into the job shows Christopher Luxon’s management style is lacking, Labour Leader Chris Hipkins said. ...
Tonight’s court decision to overturn the summons of the Children’s Minister has enabled the Crown to continue making decisions about Māori without evidence, says Te Pāti Māori spokesperson for Children, Mariameno Kapa-Kingi. “The judicial system has this evening told the nation that this government can do whatever they want when ...
It appears Nicola Willis is about to pull the rug out from under the feet of local communities still dealing with the aftermath of last year’s severe weather, and local councils relying on funding to build back from these disasters. ...
The Government is making short-sighted changes to the Resource Management Act (RMA) that will take away environmental protection in favour of short-term profits, Labour’s environment spokesperson Rachel Brooking said today. ...
Labour welcomes the release of the report into the North Island weather events and looks forward to working with the Government to ensure that New Zealand is as prepared as it can be for the next natural disaster. ...
The Labour Party has called for the New Zealand Government to recognise Palestine, as a material step towards progressing the two-State solution needed to achieve a lasting peace in the region. ...
Some of our country’s most important work, stopping the sexual exploitation of children and violent extremism could go along with staff on the frontline at ports and airports. ...
The Government’s Fast Track Approvals Bill will give projects such as new coal mines a ‘get out of jail free’ card to wreak havoc on the environment, Labour Leader Chris Hipkins said today. ...
The government's decision to reintroduce Three Strikes is a destructive and ineffective piece of law-making that will only exacerbate an inherently biased and racist criminal justice system, said Te Pāti Māori Justice Spokesperson, Tākuta Ferris, today. During the time Three Strikes was in place in Aotearoa, Māori and Pasifika received ...
Cuts to frontline hospital staff are not only a broken election promise, it shows the reckless tax cuts have well and truly hit the frontline of the health system, says Labour Health spokesperson Ayesha Verrall. ...
The Green Party has joined the call for public submissions on the fast-track legislation to be extended after the Ombudsman forced the Government to release the list of organisations invited to apply just hours before submissions close. ...
New Zealand’s good work at reducing climate emissions for three years in a row will be undone by the National government’s lack of ambition and scrapping programmes that were making a difference, Labour Party climate spokesperson Megan Woods said today. ...
The Minister Responsible for RMA Reform, Chris Bishop, today released his decision on twenty recommendations referred to him by the Wellington City Council relating to its Intensification Planning Instrument, after the Council rejected those recommendations of the Independent Hearings Panel and made alternative recommendations. “Wellington notified its District Plan on ...
Rape Awareness Week (6-10 May) is an important opportunity to acknowledge the continued effort required by government and communities to ensure that all New Zealanders can live free from violence, say Ministers Karen Chhour and Louise Upston. “With 1 in 3 women and 1 in 8 men experiencing sexual violence ...
Associate Education Minister David Seymour has today announced that the Government will be delivering a more efficient Healthy School Lunches Programme, saving taxpayers approximately $107 million a year compared to how Labour funded it, by embracing innovation and commercial expertise. “We are delivering on our commitment to treat taxpayers’ money ...
New research on the impacts of extreme weather on coastal marine habitats in Tairāwhiti and Hawke’s Bay will help fishery managers plan for and respond to any future events, Oceans and Fisheries Minister Shane Jones says. A report released today on research by Niwa on behalf of Fisheries New Zealand ...
Deputy Prime Minister and Foreign Minister Winston Peters will lead a broad political delegation on a five-stop Pacific tour next week to strengthen New Zealand’s engagement with the region. The delegation will visit Solomon Islands, Papua New Guinea, Vanuatu, New Caledonia, and Tuvalu. “New Zealand has deep and ...
There has been a material decline in gas production according to figures released today by the Gas Industry Co. Figures released by the Gas Industry Company show that there was a 12.5 per cent reduction in gas production during 2023, and a 27.8 per cent reduction in gas production in the ...
Defence Minister Judith Collins tonight announced the recipients of the Minister of Defence Awards of Excellence for Industry, saying they all contribute to New Zealanders’ security and wellbeing. “Congratulations to this year’s recipients, whose innovative products and services play a critical role in the delivery of New Zealand’s defence capabilities, ...
Welcome to you all - it is a pleasure to be here this evening.I would like to start by thanking Greg Lowe, Chair of the New Zealand Defence Industry Advisory Council, for co-hosting this reception with me. This evening is about recognising businesses from across New Zealand and overseas who in ...
It is a pleasure to be speaking to you as the Minister for Digitising Government. I would like to thank Akolade for the invitation to address this Summit, and to acknowledge the great effort you are making to grow New Zealand’s digital future. Today, we stand at the cusp of ...
New Zealand is urging both Israel and Hamas to agree to an immediate ceasefire to avoid the further humanitarian catastrophe that military action in Rafah would unleash, Foreign Minister Winston Peters says. “The immense suffering in Gaza cannot be allowed to worsen further. Both sides have a responsibility to ...
A new online data dashboard released today as part of the Government’s school attendance action plan makes more timely daily attendance data available to the public and parents, says Associate Education Minister David Seymour. The interactive dashboard will be updated once a week to show a national average of how ...
Foreign Minister Winston Peters has announced Rosemary Banks will be New Zealand’s next Ambassador to the United States of America. “Our relationship with the United States is crucial for New Zealand in strategic, security and economic terms,” Mr Peters says. “New Zealand and the United States have a ...
The Government is considering creating a new tier of minerals permitting that will make it easier for hobby miners to prospect for gold. “New Zealand was built on gold, it’s in our DNA. Our gold deposits, particularly in regions such as Otago and the West Coast have always attracted fortune-hunters. ...
Minister for Trade Todd McClay today announced that New Zealand and the United Arab Emirates (UAE) will commence negotiations on a free trade agreement (FTA). Minister McClay met with his counterpart UAE Trade Minister Dr Thani bin Ahmed Al Zeyoudi in Dubai, where they announced the launch of negotiations on a ...
New Zealand Sign Language Week is an excellent opportunity for all Kiwis to give the language a go, Disabilities Issues Minister Louise Upston says. This week (May 6 to 12) is New Zealand Sign Language (NZSL) Week. The theme is “an Aotearoa where anyone can sign anywhere” and aims to ...
Six tertiary students have been selected to work on NASA projects in the US through a New Zealand Space Scholarship, Space Minister Judith Collins announced today. “This is a fantastic opportunity for these talented students. They will undertake internships at NASA’s Ames Research Center or its Jet Propulsion Laboratory (JPL), where ...
New Zealanders will be safer because of a $1.9 billion investment in more frontline Corrections officers, more support for offenders to turn away from crime, and more prison capacity, Corrections Minister Mark Mitchell says. “Our Government said we would crack down on crime. We promised to restore law and order, ...
The OECD’s latest report on New Zealand reinforces the importance of bringing Government spending under control, Finance Minister Nicola Willis says. The OECD conducts country surveys every two years to review its members’ economic policies. The 2024 New Zealand survey was presented in Wellington today by OECD Chief Economist Clare Lombardelli. ...
The Government has delivered on its election promise to provide a financially sustainable model for Auckland under its Local Water Done Well plan. The plan, which has been unanimously endorsed by Auckland Council’s Governing Body, will see Aucklanders avoid the previously projected 25.8 per cent water rates increases while retaining ...
Foreign Minister Winston Peters discussed the need for an immediate ceasefire in Gaza, and enhanced cooperation in the Pacific with German Foreign Minister Annalena Baerbock during her first official visit to New Zealand today. "New Zealand and Germany enjoy shared interests and values, including the rule of law, democracy, respect for the international system ...
The Minister Responsible for RMA Reform, Chris Bishop today released his decision on four recommendations referred to him by the Western Bay of Plenty District Council, opening the door to housing growth in the area. The Council’s Plan Change 92 allows more homes to be built in existing and new ...
Thank you, John McKinnon and the New Zealand China Council for the invitation to speak to you today. Thank you too, all members of the China Council. Your effort has played an essential role in helping to build, shape, and grow a balanced and resilient relationship between our two ...
The Government is modernising insurance law to better protect Kiwis and provide security in the event of a disaster, Commerce and Consumer Affairs Minister Andrew Bayly announced today. “These reforms are long overdue. New Zealand’s insurance law is complicated and dated, some of which is more than 100 years old. ...
The coalition Government is refreshing its approach to supporting pay equity claims as time-limited funding for the Pay Equity Taskforce comes to an end, Public Service Minister Nicola Willis says. “Three years ago, the then-government introduced changes to the Equal Pay Act to support pay equity bargaining. The changes were ...
Structured literacy will change the way New Zealand children learn to read - improving achievement and setting students up for success, Education Minister Erica Stanford says. “Being able to read and write is a fundamental life skill that too many young people are missing out on. Recent data shows that ...
Trade Minister Todd McClay says Canada’s refusal to comply in full with a CPTPP trade dispute ruling in our favour over dairy trade is cynical and New Zealand has no intention of backing down. Mr McClay said he has asked for urgent legal advice in respect of our ‘next move’ ...
The rights of our children and young people will be enhanced by changes the coalition Government will make to strengthen oversight of the Oranga Tamariki system, including restoring a single Children’s Commissioner. “The Government is committed to delivering better public services that care for our most at-risk young people and ...
The Government is making it easier for minor changes to be made to a building consent so building a home is easier and more affordable, Building and Construction Minister Chris Penk says. “The coalition Government is focused on making it easier and cheaper to build homes so we can ...
New Zealand lost a true legend when internationally renowned disability advocate Sir Robert Martin (KNZM) passed away at his home in Whanganui last night, Disabilities Issues Minister Louise Upston says. “Our Government’s thoughts are with his wife Lynda, family and community, those he has worked with, the disability community in ...
Good evening – Before discussing the challenges and opportunities facing New Zealand’s foreign policy, we’d like to first acknowledge the New Zealand Institute of International Affairs. You have contributed to debates about New Zealand foreign policy over a long period of time, and we thank you for hosting us. ...
From today, passengers travelling internationally from Auckland Airport will be able to keep laptops and liquids in their carry-on bags for security screening thanks to new technology, Transport Minister Simeon Brown says. “Creating a more efficient and seamless travel experience is important for holidaymakers and businesses, enabling faster movement through ...
People with an interest in the health of Northland’s marine ecosystems are invited to a public meeting to discuss how to deal with kina barrens, Oceans and Fisheries Minister Shane Jones says. Mr Jones will lead the discussion, which will take place on Friday, 10 May, at Awanui Hotel in ...
Kiwi exporters are $100 million better off today with the NZ EU FTA entering into force says Trade Minister Todd McClay. “This is all part of our plan to grow the economy. New Zealand's prosperity depends on international trade, making up 60 per cent of the country’s total economic activity. ...
There are heartening signs that the extractive sector is once again becoming an attractive prospect for investors and a source of economic prosperity for New Zealand, Resources Minister Shane Jones says. “The beginnings of a resurgence in extractive industries are apparent in media reports of the sector in the past ...
The return of the historic Ō-Rākau battle site to the descendants of those who fought there moved one step closer today with the first reading of Te Pire mō Ō-Rākau, Te Pae o Maumahara / The Ō-Rākau Remembrance Bill. The Bill will entrust the 9.7-hectare battle site, five kilometres west ...
Energy Minister Simeon Brown has announced 25 new high-speed EV charging hubs along key routes between major urban centres and outlined the Government’s plan to supercharge New Zealand’s EV infrastructure. The hubs will each have several chargers and be capable of charging at least four – and up to 10 ...
The coalition Government will not proceed with the previous Government’s plans to regulate residential property managers, Housing Minister Chris Bishop says. “I have written to the Chairperson of the Social Services and Community Committee to inform him that the Government does not intend to support the Residential Property Managers Bill ...
The Government has announced an independent review into the disability support system funded by the Ministry of Disabled People – Whaikaha. Disability Issues Minister Louise Upston says the review will look at what can be done to strengthen the long-term sustainability of Disability Support Services to provide disabled people and ...
Justice Minister Paul Goldsmith has attended the Universal Periodic Review in Geneva and outlined the Government’s plan to restore law and order. “Speaking to the United Nations Human Rights Council provided us with an opportunity to present New Zealand’s human rights progress, priorities, and challenges, while responding to issues and ...
The Government and Rotorua Lakes Council are committed to working closely together to end the use of contracted emergency housing motels in Rotorua. Associate Minister of Housing (Social Housing) Tama Potaka says the Government remains committed to ending the long-term use of contracted emergency housing motels in Rotorua by the ...
Analysis by Dr Bryce Edwards – Democracy Project (https://democracyproject.nz)Political scientist, Dr Bryce Edwards. “Follow the money” is the classic directive to journalists trying to understand where power and influence lie in society. In terms of uncovering who influences various New Zealand political parties and governments, it therefore pays to ...
RNZ News As Israel presses ahead with strikes in Rafah and seizing the Rafah crossing from Egypt, aid agencies are sounding the alarm of a “catastrophic humanitarian situation”. Rafah was “significant” because it was the only part in Gaza that had not been terribly damaged by the conflict, United Nations ...
With funding set to be scrapped for the Hamilton-Auckland commuter train, Te Huia enthusiast Georgie Dansey argues for it to be thrown a lifeline. It’s 5.45am and the chain of my crappy old bike falls off slugging up the one hill in Hamilton. I contemplate yeeting the bike into the ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Anna Cooke, Honorary Fellow, School of the Environment, The University of Queensland We feel ecological grief when we lose places, species or ecosystems we value and love. These losses are a growing threat to mental health and wellbeing globally. We all see ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Shauna Brail, Associate Professor, Institute for Management & Innovation, University of Toronto A shift to hybrid and remote work continues to affect worker presence in Toronto’s downtown.(Shutterstock) Downtown Toronto, the core of Canada’s largest city, continues to reel from the lingering ...
Responding to an Auditor-General's report slamming failures in the administration of the 2023 General Election, Taxpayers’ Union Policy and Public Affairs Manager, James Ross, said: ...
Productivity apps now make up a big chunk of the software market. But do they work? And why do they all have AI integrations?Despite being firmly on the record as a physical planner fan, I sometimes dream of something better than my pretty diary and its scrawled, ugly, interior ...
The Taxpayers’ Union says the Beehive need to lead by example, following reports of more than $50,000 spent upgrading video conferencing equipment and furniture in the Prime Minister’s office. Taxpayers’ Union Campaign Manager, Connor Molloy, ...
An objective list of the 50 most powerful people in New Zealand, as judged by the Spinoff Editorial Board. It’s power list season, baby, and we want in on the action. Sure, there’s the rich list and the powerful “c-suite” list and the young people with power (hmmm) but here, ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Thalia Anthony, Professor of Law, University of Technology Sydney ShutterstockThis article contains information on deaths in custody and the names of deceased people, and describes ongoing colonial violence towards Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander people. First Nations people in Australia ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Alex Simpson, Senior Lecturer in Criminology, Macquarie University Netflix Baby Reindeer’s phenomenal success has much to do with its writer and lead, Richard Gadd, who plays Donny in a tender semi-autobiographical account of sexual abuse, harassment and stalking. Gadd’s story has ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Clare Collins, Laureate Professor in Nutrition and Dietetics, University of Newcastle KarolinaGrabowska/Pexels If you didn’t have food allergies as a child, is it possible to develop them as an adult? The short answer is yes. But the reasons why are much ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Paul Moon, Professor of History, Auckland University of Technology Ans Westra, self-portrait, c. 1963. National Library ref AWM-0705-F They try but invariably fail – those writers who believe they are capable of encapsulating in prose or verse the essence of ...
Stewart Sowman-Lund looks at the growing concern around the world in this extract from The Bulletin. To receive The Bulletin in full each weekday, sign up here. What’s all this? When Covid-19 arrived on our shores in early 2020, some argued we were too slow, or crucially, ill-prepared for a pandemic. So ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Franco Montalto, Professor of Civil, Architectural and Environmental Engineering and Director, Sustainable Water Resource Engineering Laboratory, Drexel University Water runs into a storm drain in a Los Angeles alley on Aug. 19, 2023, during Tropical Storm Hilary.Citizen of the Planet/Universal Images ...
The inquest into the death of Gore toddler Lachlan Jones has turned up a new witness who says he saw two teenagers and a small child in a high vis vest in the area where the boy’s body was found the day he died. Lachie’s body was discovered face up ...
Stories from the tenancy trenches, featuring spider infestations, cupboard rats and same-sex discrimination. Lucy’s brother was living in a damp 1930s building in Mt Eden where “he had to tie the cupboard doors closed so the rats didn’t get in”. Although he shared custody of his six-year-old son, his property ...
Simeon Brown, Chris Luxon, and Wayne Brown climbed into a hole and announced a plan to solve Auckland’s water woes. This is how it’ll work. New Zealand’s pipes are munted. They’re cracked and leaking, and struggling to handle all the extra poos excreted by our rising population. It’s a big, ...
I knew Taika Waititi quite well when he was a kid. His mother lived in a tall narrow house in Aro St, and my youngest sister had a similar house two doors along. They were both single mums, they each had a son aged seven. Taika and my nephew Stepan ...
Opinion: “As time passes, knowledge of the circumstances of the August 2016 outbreak will fade and its immediate impact will be lost.” This statement is from the 2017 report of the Official Inquiry into the Havelock North campylobacteriosis outbreak. The then National-led government established the inquiry after the outbreak left ...
Opinion: Nicholas Khoo looks at two key points in the high-stakes foreign policy pact debate – and asks if NZ can engage with as little drama as possible. The post Where to next for the Aukus ruckus? appeared first on Newsroom. ...
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Opinion: ‘Reference-class forecasting’ is at the heart of improving pricing a project and identifying the expected timeframe but it doesn’t appear to be in use here The post ‘Think fast and act slowly’ is failing big projects appeared first on Newsroom. ...
What do a sombrero in Argentina and cognitive driving tests have in common? Don’t worry, we’re not setting up a bad joke. Hinengaro Clinic dementia clinician Gregory Winkelman has the answer on today’s episode of The Detail. “We ask a patient’s spouse or son or daughter: If you went to ...
Wellington long jumper Phoebe Edwards is back and she’s having fun again. Until this year, Edwards, a top athlete in her teens, had never competed as a senior athlete in New Zealand. In March, the 26-year-old won a national long jump title in a lifetime best of 6.28m after ...
After replacing a fifth of their caucus in just four months, the Greens’ opportunity to reset, reshuffle and refocus on the Government is quickly slipping away The post Persistent Green Party scandals delay caucus reset appeared first on Newsroom. ...
ANALYSIS:By Olli Hellmann, University of Waikato When New Zealanders commemorate Anzac Day today on April 25, it’s not only to honour the soldiers who lost their lives in World War I and subsequent conflicts, but also to mark a defining event for national identity. The battle of Gallipoli against ...
By Robin Martin, RNZ News reporter A New Zealand local authority, Whanganui District Council, has passed a motion calling for an immediate ceasefire in Gaza, condemnation of all acts of violence and terror against civilians on both sides of the conflict and the immediate return of hostages. It comes as ...
Asia Pacific Report The Aotearoa chapter of the Women’s International league for Peace and Freedom (WILPF) has appealed to the New Zealand government to call out Israel over the “cruel and barbaric use of force” in Gaza and demand a permanent ceasefire. The league’s open letter was sent to Prime ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Michelle Grattan, Professorial Fellow, University of Canberra The Albanese government will invest $566 million over a decade on data, maps and other tools to promote exploration and development in Australia’s resources industry. The project will fund “the first comprehensive map of what’s ...
Asia Pacific Report Following an open letter by Auckland University academics speaking out in support of their students’ right to protest against the genocidal Israeli war on Gaza, a group of academics at Otago University have today also called on New Zealand academic institutions to “repair colonial violence” and end ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Linda J. Graham, Professor and Director of the Centre for Inclusive Education, Queensland University of Technology Ryan Tauss/ Unsplash, CC BY Two male students have been expelled from a Melbourne private school for their involvement in a list ranking female students. ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Peter Martin, Visiting Fellow, Crawford School of Public Policy, Australian National University The Reserve Bank is now assuming Australians will see no interest rate cuts this year – and quite possibly none before the next federal election, due next May. That’s ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By David Hayward, Emeritus Professor of Public Policy, RMIT University The Victorian budget offered more of the same on Tuesday, with the only change being how the budget papers were packaged. The usual shrink wrap was gone, hinting at savings in the pages ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Michelle Grattan, Professorial Fellow, University of Canberra The Coalition is demanding extensive amendments to the government’s legislation targeting non-citizens who refuse to co-operate with their removal. In a dissenting report to the senate inquiry into the legislation, the Coalition says it ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Vanita Yadav, Senior Research Fellow, Urban Transformations Research Centre, Western Sydney University Brett Boardman/Belvoir The complex and grappling issue of violence against women takes centre stage in the soul-stirring solo dance drama Nayika: A Dancing Girl. During a dinner conversation ...
Disruption to patient care from a nationwide junior doctors strike is bordering on unsafe, a senior doctor claims, despite what health officials say. ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Sarah Diepstraten, Senior Research Officer, Blood Cells and Blood Cancer Division, Walter and Eliza Hall Institute Ground Picture/Shutterstock The anti-cancer drug abemaciclib (also known as Vernezio) has this month been added to the Australian Pharmaceutical Benefits Scheme (PBS) to treat certain ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Dominic McAfee, Postdoctoral researcher, marine ecology, University of Adelaide Robbie Porter, OzFish Unlimited Around Australia, hundreds of people are coming together to help a once-prized, but decimated and largely forgotten marine ecosystem. They’re busy restoring Australia’s native oyster and mussel reefs. ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Sara Webb, Lecturer, Centre for Astrophysics and Supercomputing, Swinburne University of Technology Austin Human/Unsplash How does Earth stop meteors from hitting Earth and hurting people? –Asher, 6 years 11 months, New South Wales Alright, let’s embark on a meteor ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Rory Mulcahy, Associate Professor of Marketing, University of the Sunshine Coast Professional sports organisations regularly promote and develop initiatives to support diversity, equity and inclusion. While sport has the power to change attitudes by sparking conversations about political issues and social ...
Comment: The weekly Monday post-Cabinet press conference is a useful forum for observing Christopher Luxon and how he is developing into the job of Prime Minister. He attempts to convey the impression of a man of action, speaking fast, delivering memorised National Party strategies in a connect-the-slogans kind of way, ...
Double votes, missing ballot boxes, tired tech and stressed staff: how tick-tallying went astray at last year’s election. Cast your mind back to November 2023, that bleary-eyed post-election period duringwhichwewaited, andwaited, for a coalition deal to be hammered out. A distraction from the hotel-hopping of our ...
International audiences are starting to discover what New Zealand already knew about After the Party.When After the Party aired in New Zealand last year, the response was fast and furious. In his preview for Rec Room, Duncan Greive said it was a “gritty, wrenching and highly confronting” series. By ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Shahram Akbarzadeh, Convenor of the Middle East Studies Forum (MESF), and Acting Director the Alfred Deakin Institute for Citizenship and Globalisation, Deakin University Iran’s leadership has been a direct beneficiary of the months-long war in Gaza. With every missile that Israel fires ...
Claire Mabey reviews the haunting and sexy debut novel from Sinéad Gleeson, who is about to touch down in Aotearoa for a string of live events.When Irish writer Sinéad Gleeson was in Aotearoa in 2018 with her spectacular collection of essays, Constellations, she told me she was working on ...
PNG Post-Courier Bougainville Affairs Minister Manasseh Makiba has described the Post-Courier’s front page story yesterday regarding a meeting between Bougainville and national government leaders as “sensationalised” and without substance. The Autonomous Bougainville Government (AGB) had warned it might use “other avenues to gain its independence” should the PNG government “continue ...
Where some saw the worst press conference given by the government to date, Anna Rawhiti-Connell recognised girl maths game.Nicola Willis, recently exasperated by comparisons to Ruth Richardson, said she was “a bit sick of being compared with every female finance minister that’s ever been out there.”Some think that’s ...
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In his latest speech, Putin declares Europe to be a colony of the US imperialists.
That this old world order is now over.
Personally I think Putin is overstating the case of Europe's subservience to US imperialism. Putin is overstating the power and influence of US imperialism for his own imperialist motives.
In my opinion this is a declaration of war of one imperialist bloc against another.
Putin thinks the US is in decline and that it is Russia's turn to be the global hegemonic power.
Putin may be right about the first part, but wrong about the second. In my opinion; The world does not need another hegemonic power. The age of imperialism and war needs to come to an end.
https://www.rt.com/russia/557346-putin-spief-speech-takeaways/?
With his speech Vladimir Putin has announced that WWIII for a new imperial redivision of the world has started.
The new leader of the British armed forces, General Sir Patrick Sanders, who assumed command of the British army last Monday, yesterday ordered the British army to prepare to fight in Europe in what he called WWIII.
https://www.world-today-news.com/british-general-warns-his-troops-to-be-ready-to-fight-russia-in-world-war-iii/
What leaves me most concerned is not so much the assorted tankies and traitors who cheer on on the fascists and autocrats – but that the west is far too complacent and to a degree socially degenerate. In this Putin has a point – and he has judged his moment well.
Sanders is correct in his appraisal, that this is round one of a much tougher contest than most people imagine just yet.
+1
As Britain (and presumably other European military forces), prepare for a wider war in Europe. To become a truly global conflict between the super powers, Just as Imperial Japan did when the European powers were last engaged in war in Europe, China may take the opportunity to advance its imperial interests. The known flashpoints where this conflict will break out are the LAC and Taiwan.
https://theprint.in/defence/india-us-to-hold-high-altitude-military-exercise-amid-chinas-alarming-build-up-along-lac/988648/
WWIII edges closer.
Yup. It gets depressing fast.
After that I'm not sure depressing covers it.
Every week there are multiple important issues being reported about gender identity ideology and its impact on society. Almost none of it is being discussed in NZ except occasionally in MSM, or in antagonistic exchanges online. Most of what I am reading comes from feminists in the UK, predominantly left wing or centre left. I’ve been told I shouldn’t be talking about this on TS because this is a labour movement aligned blog, but these are fundamental issues that are part of class analysis. Sex sits alongside ethnicity and socioeconomics as the three great axes of class oppression and resistance and liberation.
One of the most serious aspects is the huge rise in the number of girls seeking to transition in the UK. Gender ideology applauded this, feminists are saying wtaf, girls hate their sexed bodies so much they’d rather have radical surgery and lifetime hormonal treatment than be a gender non conforming girl or lesbian.
NZ Labour just increased funding for transition. This wouldn’t be a problem except for the No Debate and affirmation only political positions that mean medical and psychological services are under pressure to not provide alternative care for distressed youth. If you want to see how badly this can go, read this.
https://twitter.com/victoriapeckham/status/1537756546880380930
Alternate link in case that goes behind a paywall https://archive.ph/iG971
If you are bothered by that being in a conservative paper, understand that the liberal press refused to cover these issues for many years.
https://twitter.com/suzanne_moore/status/1537840392271536128
https://twitter.com/bindelj/status/1537843309846093824
What percentage of people have the inclination, necessity or bandwidth to devote their attention to this in the current environment do you think?
It’s a political choice. People here have plenty of energy for the war in the Ukraine, or another round of bullshit from Nact.
Obviously it matters more to women. And gay people.
Id suggest the overwhelming majority of people dont consider it is or will be an issue for them and if it ever was they would deal with it in their own manner, if they ever consider it at all……meanwhile there is a roof to put over the head and mouths to feed.
maybe people should consider for the following reasons
a. this is tax payer funded surgery – no matter if it goes well or not
b. the issues stemming from these tax payer funded surgeries and the need for further medical intervention will and is already paid for by the tax payer
c. these surgeries are coming with a hefty carbon foot print
d. these children will be the adults of tomorrow – but then why would anyone alive today complain about that, right it does not affect us here today.
e. like with Contergan in Germany it took a while for the medical establishment to understand and accept the side effects of Contergan – the children with no arms. legs and hands protruding from their shoulders, deformed feet etc etc etc, but eventually it got to much, these kids were suddenly everywhere, and people could see the harm and were rightfully shocked by deformities these children were born with due to a pill that should have been taken of the shelf much earlier. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thalidomide_scandal
f. some – quite a few actually, detransition later in life to find themselves 'nullified' if their genital surgery went fucked beyond believe (i.e. no gentials at all just a urethra), or in need of revisions to keep depth (neo vagina) or in need for a liposuction (if the fake penis is made of upper leg skin/tissues as that is where women (the born ones) typically grow fat – this is for the ones that value girth over length or something, or with life time issues in their arm that provided the tissue/skin/nerve material for a fake penis . Never mind the infections, sepsis etc etc etc. All tax payer funded, and every revision and fixings of another medical problem is too.
I get it, no one cares about males in female prisons, no one cares about males in female sport, or males in female changing rooms. After all this benefits males at the expense of woman (born women) . Something the left and some on the right are quite happy about this. Born women are just low testosterone men, and thus are exactly! (TM) the same as men. No difference between Mum n Dad, no siree, and all that is tax payer funded.
In the meantime we warehouse our homeless who have no roof over their heads to the cost of a million a day in rundown motels. We hand out 300.000 + food grants for people who can’t feed their families and so on and so forth.
So while you don't mind getting kids castrated and sterilised before they even have a notion of sex, lust, orgasm, and maybe reproduction, you might mind the cost that is carried by you, and everyone else around you.
When it touches peoples lives they will devote attention to it…as with everything…until then it remains an academic exercise with no expectation of personal impact.
How many devote their time and energy to researching/discussing/advocating on rare cancers?….those that do have personal experience or academic interest….the wider public dont.
Thanks, Sabine.
The impact on the ongoing health budget, and the consequential reduction in other areas should be discussed more.
Life time hormonal supplements and dealing with the resultant side effects comes at a high cost.
NZ state provision of trans affirming surgeries is either:
1. Cosmetic surgery (Why?)
2. Life-saving surgery (How?)
This is a huge medical intervention budget, that will result in burgeoning future healthcare requirements for those 'treated'. And declining budgets for others relying on the system for treatment.
I can see two sides to this.
One is that any topic or issue ranks somewhere on a ladder of priorities and importance & relevance. It is a personal and political choice to devote attention to it and ‘the cause’. This is often seen as a zero-sum game because of our limited attention spans and time constraints, et cetera.
The other one is that arguably this specific topic area links directly with even bigger and longstanding issue that ought to pique the attention and interest of many more progressively minded people, e.g. here on TS. In other words, it is not mutually exclusive and not a zero-sum game, but rather quite the opposite.
It seems to me that the division seemingly into two camps is artificial, unnecessary, and possibly even deliberate, i.e. divide and conquer. The latter raises the question of cui bono?
neoliberalism and the death cult stands to gain.
Didn't really understand what you are meaning. If you mean there are two sides in the gender/sex wars, then yes, broadly there are. On TS isn't not necessary, people can argue whatever they want. Thing that I find surprising is people going 'oh I tried to say something and got knocked back, so I won't bother again'. I've seen that before but it does seem to be a feature of this debate, as if suddenly people don't want to debate.
And who are they? People of flesh & blood or figments of the imagination?
It’s slightly concerning that you of all people here seem to struggle with understanding what others are saying in this space. So, let me try again, because it was my direct response to what pat and you had said.
As I see it, some view the “gender/sex wars” through a reductionist lens as an isolated issue. As such, one can fairly easily choose to take or leave (dismiss) it. I think this represents pat’s view.
Others may view these wars through a holistic lens as (directly or inextricably) linked to larger issues such as class war, as you pointed out @ 2. As such, one cannot easily ignore and dismiss “gender/sex wars”. I believe this represents your view.
HTH
As an aside, I read of No Debate, women-only spaces, and some perceptions of people not feeling welcome to join the debate (e.g. STFU or scroll on) and it is clear that nothing is clear, that confusion is ubiquitous, and mixed messages are the rule rather than the exception. I’ll leave it for others to judge whether this is an accurate description of ‘the lay of the land’, and, if so, whether it is positive.
These debates are the most highly charged of all, quite possibly because we’re all implicated, one way or another, at a more direct personal level, whether we like it or not. This may also be the reason why this is one of the most difficult issues to debate well and why people disengage, perhaps simultaneously swaying from the holistic view to the more reductionist singular issue PoV in a the-glass-is-half-empty-or-the-glass-is-half-full kinda binary manner.
Physician heal thyself.
It’s terminal, I’m afraid.
It's a controversy in every space: culture, politics, religion, medicine, sex, education, philosophy, and personal identity. And when children (or sports!) are involved people get emotional, unable to explore the issues in a fair minded way. Social media has made an issue that should be a rarefied specialist area of medicine into a toxic culture war.
It is a symptom of a wider identity crisis and loss of unifying narratives within the culture.
(Not to worry, the imperial corporate-military media have created a sparkly new cult for everyone!)
It is a holistic part of regressive efforts to relitigate social change over the last 60 years. That the same arguments are now being turned against gay and lesbian minorities is no surprise. Migrants and disabled people can't be far behind. Fear and othering are easy to tap into when people do not see the bigger picture.
What Sacha fails to even acknowledge is that lesbians have been losing a lot of ground because of GI. Australia is on the cusp of making it illegal for lesbians to exclude males who identify as a woman from gatherings, spaces etc.
Self-ID means that any man can say they are a woman at any time. It's not tied to birth certificates, it's tied to social mores.
Lesbians get banned from lesbian dating apps for saying they only want to date females. This is a safety issue, and it's also a rape culture issue. GI says that a man who identifies as a woman and as a lesbian is a woman and a lesbian. There is no such thing as female homosexuality after that.
It's true there is a conservative push against liberal gains of recent decades. And it's true that GI is *also removing women's rights at an alarming pace, and some left wing men are supporting this.
It's utter bullshit to suggest the problem is only progressive/conservative.
https://twitter.com/alliancelgb/status/1416292515041484802
Don’t really want to comment on the specific commenter other than to say that if he (an intelligent and genuine contributor here who, as far as I can judge, has much in common with you) and you cannot have a constructive discussion about this then there’s little hope left for a wider debate. I’ll leave it at that.
I’m gobsmacked if lesbians or anybody else for that matter cannot choose whom they want to date on dating apps. I did read the article in The Australian but it said nothing about dating apps!?
It's not if, it's already happening and has been for some time. The reason you don't know about it is because gender identity activists have been so successful with No Debate. I know about it because I listen to lesbians talking about it on twitter. There is a huge amount of discussion there about this.
Sacha believes that we are hijacking a labour movement blog. He has repeatedly misrepresented my views and mansplained feminism to me. Then he leaves and won't debate. He's a clear and compassionate thinking person generally, I have no useful explanation for why he is so poor on this and at presenting a coherent argument for his position but instead resorts to the above.
I'm pointing this out because this is a fairly consistent pattern within the war. GC women are open to informed debate. Gender identity people often aren't. I'm quite capable of a constructive conversation, you would have to take it up with him as to why he is not.
Beyond that, in the UK women just got on with organising, and that included constructive conversation. Left wing men can take themselves out of the conversation and women will just carry on without them. The debate isn't dependent on them, and can absolutely carry on. In the UK once people understood what was happening, the debate broadened significantly. That hasn't happened in NZ yet.
I have no desire to meddle in a stoush between you and another commenter. Personally, I think it can be resolved, even amicably, if both persons would wish this.
The topic (of GI wars) has indeed not crossed my radar, for various reasons.
NZ is a fairly small and isolated pool of people, which can be a curse or a blessing.
Personally, I don’t think unilateral debate and outcomes of that (decisions) is a viable way; at some stage others will have to be brought alongside, which is a description of inclusive leadership.
bit of a sore point. After years of watching feminists stop writing here because of the lack of support and because of antagonism from less progressive men, we now have to contend with progressive men actively working against us being here. I can easily write half a dozen posts right now about gender critical issues including what's been happening to lesbians. The reasons why I'm not are important. They're also the reason you and other didn't know about lesbian dating apps.
TWAW means any man who says he is a woman is a woman. That's the end of women's spaces, women's positions, women's sports (although there's been some progress on pushing back on that), women's safety, women's politics, and lesbianism.
Yes, I know it has been a sore point for you for some time and I’m sorry to hear that.
As I observe it, there seems to be a high level of confusion and mutual misunderstanding here on TS about these sorts of things. This has created a perception and thus a confirmation bias that there’s been a gap opening between feminists and progressive men on this site. Of course, there may always be a gap but not necessarily one that cannot be bridged with some respect, honesty & integrity, and whole lot of hard work to really understand what each side is saying (and not saying). Instead of closing/bridging the gap one side has pretty much walked away, the other is about to walk away and very few are left to hold the candle and continue. That doesn’t seem a sustainable situation to me. Best thing is if people could leave their baggage at the door and start afresh but I don’t think that’s realistic (even though I’m a dreamer).
I feel very much like an impartial observer here looking in …
The article and Ms Hoyle's release.
Twelve months on and nothing about the appeal.
https://archive.ph/9g0x4 (the australian)
https://feministlegal.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/03/FLC-Media-Release-Jessica-Hoyle.pdf
Not sure about that. There really are left wing men who believe that TWAW and therefore should be treated as women and women don't get to have say in that. The position by those men on TS is the same as elsewhere. It's not a misunderstanding, it's a fundamental disagreement.
Not really. There are other progressive men on TS who don't have a problem with feminists debating GI issues.
Who is about to walk away?
There are plenty of GI advocates here. In fact I would say there are more here talking about those issues now than in the past.
been trying to get back to this for days 🙂
I was thinking of the system. In which various people play various parts, and get various benefits or detriments. If the left hacks itself to death over liberalism, neoliberalism laughs all the way to the bank.
I always appreciate people clarifying, and it's not uncommon for me to not understand what people are saying here. So thanks for doing that.
the sex/gender war is easily the most difficult and the weirdest thing I've ever seen in politics.
Ok, thanks.
I agree that liberal thinking is engrained in the system and institutionalised, with all the negative impacts and outcomes that this causes, but I think it is mistake to fight a nameless and faceless system, rage against the machine. We should apply more surgical precision in trying to affect progressive change, hence the cui bono?
The system is a human construct, enabled by and enabling people, but the weird thing is that both beneficiaries and victims seem to be stuck on it (aka TINA) because they don’t know any(thing) better.
Fair comment about asking for clarification (aka when in doubt, ask).
The sex/gender wars do my head it, TBH. It does affect all of us to various degrees but the level of engagement runs from one extreme to the other polar opposite with a huge apathetic (and confused?) mass in between.
Completely agree. Although another dynamic there is people whose politics want system change, but whose personal comfort is ok under neoliberalism and likely to change significantly if we went to a better system. Or they perceive they would lose out because they cannot imagine anything better where everyone’s needs are met. Hence lots of NZers want the housing crisis solved but won't vote for the Greens who would change the system so that the housing crisis can be solved.
Add in the pressures of the pandemic and looming climate crisis and many people are hunkering down rather then stepping into proactive change. I suspect that part of identity politics is entangled in that. It's easy enough to support LGBTI+ on twitter for instance. Makes one feel progressive, but there is a dearth of actual organising around the class issues (sex and socioeconomic. Ethnicity in NZ seems to be doing somewhat better given the influence of Māori in parliament).
I don't see it as nameless and faceless. Labour are obviously running a neoliberal agenda tempered by social democracy and the politics of wellbeing within a country that is now largely neoliberal. It's good they're doing this rather than just straight out neoliberal centrism, but it's still BAU and blocking change. Labour benefit as a party, pro-neoliberalism MPs benefit, the middle classes benefit and so on. Neoliberalism (the system) is adept at colonising the left. Feminists started naming this in the 90s. The increasingly neoliberal mainstream took the bits of the feminist agenda it liked and could live with and integrated it and established it as the bona fide feminism.
Hence we have liberal feminism, choice feminism, lipstick feminism and so on. It's a feminism of how to be ok within the dominant paradigm. They're not feminisms that seek to liberate women by dismantling the patriarchy.
The overlaps between GI and liberal feminism are large and strong.
Catch-up mode.
Neoliberalism is indeed giving many the illusion of prosperity and wellbeing. This same illusion feeds into our collective delusion that although things are not ‘optimal’ yet and now, with a bit more time and patience things will be(come) better and for more people. This is the golden promise of the brighter future ahead that’s within reach of all as long as they work hard, have the right values, make the right decisions and take the right responsibility, et cetera.
Because neoliberalism is engrained and institutionalised, with a huge bureaucratic system behind it, it is the daily reality. For things to change one needs a couple of things: 1) a realisation that BAU is not ok and that change is needed; 2) a vision of a better alternative; 3) a mission on how to achieve the vision. I fear that many are losing confidence in the democratic and political processes and that the diminishing trust and hope will block any meaningful change. Our individual and atomised sense of helplessness, of not being in control or having very little influence over our lives, is growing into a collective Zeitgeist of the same negative feelings and general apathy. Only through an effective political and democratic process of some description (i.e. not the current version) can we hope to achieve a sense of empowerment to affect change and control our destiny.
It is worth noting that giving individuals or groupings in society a sense of empowerment is always resisted the most because once the gate/door is opened a little bit ‘all Hell will break lose’. Empowering people, all people, at all levels of society, that’s where our efforts should be, IMO. And I don’t think this is anything new of profound either.
Unclear if this is your inference (that people aren’t interested because cost of living crisis, covid etc), but two things
Dont think I could be much clearer…its a non issue for people, and if it became one they would deal with it when the time came.
I am also a person Pat. A female person. It is definitely not a non issue for me as a female person any more than equal pay for work of equal value, access to abortion anywhere around the world is a non issue. Is it because it may be an issue that is sometimes cared about and expounded on by women that it is a a non issue. I had actually thought that issues being divided intoot big world issues (men) and little domestic type issues (women) had gone long ago. If not then they should have gone ……
Issues are issues. some issues affect or interest different sets of people but they all affect us as human beings
Enough of this tyranny of others deciding who can speak and what they can speak on. Didn't this go out with the Ark as well.
Onward with the discussion …….the fact that some do not like the populace drawing attention to the fact that sometimes the Emperor has no clothes should be reason to stop us speaking out.
@pat 2.2.2.1
I'm included in 'people', Pat, and this is just some of what 'the issue' is for me:
1. The affirmative healthcare approach that has received additional funding has now had clinical reviews in several countries. Where this has happened, they have all concluded the net result is harm, and adjusted their treatment accordingly.
2. Any therapy funded will be affirmation only, not high quality exploratory, because the culture and the incoming 'conversion therapy' bill so celebrated by the not-bothered people, will actually facilitate the pathway to medical interventions whether appropriate for the individual or not.
3. There are psychological and mental health impacts of hormone treatment, often being given at a time of significant brain growth and maturation. This has consequences often ignored in discussions. Another impact on future well-being and health care needs.
4. What is the difference between a young man wanting breast augmentation, and a young woman of the same age wanting the same surgery? One will quality for augmentation under affirmative healthcare, the other will not. It becomes very clear what a woman is here.
5. As a result of the difference of biological sex, the hormonal impact on female transitioners is significant. Most male transitioners retain their genitalia, and if so, have a high likelihood of being able to come off their hormonal treatment and retain both full sexual function (which they may have retained anyway) and their fertility. Females, however, will undergo, medically induced menopause, with all it's congruent impacts. They will experience vaginal atrophy, with the possibility of pain during intercourse. The interruption of hormones to their sexual organs, often results in constant pain, which leads onto further surgeries to relieve that pain, including hysterectomies and oophorectomies. Both of which ensure infertility, and will affect the production of female hormones. The oophorectomy will ensure that from that point on, the woman will require synthetic hormone treatment for the rest of their life, even if they detransition. The future cost is locked in. The same is true for men who have an orchidectomy.
6. Not only is this medical care a concern, we are funding the promulgation of this approach in schools, NGO organisations, government departments, and institutions – ensuring that more will be encouraged to seek such treatments.
There is a wealth of reasons why this needs to be discussed on political platforms. There is also for many a benefit here, in seeing how this topic is treated and #NoDebate is achieved by social monitoring.
How this plays out in wider public discourse can be found here in a 2019 article on Transgender Trend which prints a letter that two GIDS professionals sent to the Guardian:
https://www.transgendertrend.com/2017-letter-gids-clinicians-ignored-guardian/
Regarding the Auckland mayoralty poll, Farrar and the Taxdodgers Union are not speaking directly to voters, they are speaking to the three far-right/centre-right candidates, urging one or more of them to pull out. He is deliberately suggestive in a post on his blog.
That is how they are interfering.
This is not a win for dignity and respect for any elderly woman compelled to share her personal living space with someone of the opposite sex, in a designated single-sex space.
https://news.yahoo.com/landmark-discrimination-suit-maine-nursing-124309139.html
GLAD thinks otherwise, of course:
https://www.glad.org/post/transgender-woman-reaches-landmark-settlement-with-maine-assisted-living-facility-that-denied-her-a-room/
It seems to be a surprise to a lot of people that women actually value women only spaces.
looks like replies aren't nesting. I'll let Lprent know.
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@ Molly @3
Yes you are 'people'…unless you are perhaps AI. Your potential concerns are as far as I can see are founded on overseas events and as stated when (the wider) people see direct impact on their lives you may get the engagement you desire….that does not appear to be the case currently….if you can point to evidence otherwise then your chances of getting that engagement will increase.
@pat 8.0
Multiple times the NZ position and links have been provided. The thread included references to the the cost to the NZ health system.
You may pretend that women here are not speaking of the impact on NZ youth. We have, and will continue to do so.
The impact on women's rights in NZ is also happening here and now.
This is a NZ societal problem, that is following the pattern of overseas countries in regards to #NoDebate, legislation and impacts. That is why overseas links are provided.
I pretend nothing….it is not a concern that I perceive as requiring my attention (or that of anyone I know) nor does it appear to be a concern of anyone enough for it to be presented in the media, I have no accounts of any of this occurring here….all I see/hear is second hand interpretation of a stoush between (possibly academic) naval gazers half a world away….why would I devote any energy to it?
@pat 10.0
Since you gather neither information nor insight from posts or comments on this topic, nor provide any, what is your intent in contributing?
And therein lies the problem.
I commented to this….
"Every week there are multiple important issues being reported about gender identity ideology and its impact on society. Almost none of it is being discussed in NZ except occasionally in MSM, or in antagonistic exchanges online. Most of what I am reading comes from feminists in the UK, predominantly left wing or centre left. I’ve been told I shouldn’t be talking about this on TS because this is a labour movement aligned blog, but these are fundamental issues that are part of class analysis. Sex sits alongside ethnicity and socioeconomics as the three great axes of class oppression and resistance and liberation."
a mistake I am unlikely to repeat…but you never know.
And just for the record – Poots openly embraces a Russian neo-colonial order. No ifs, no buts, no possible room for misinterpretation:
All the tankies here who claimed he was just a poor misunderstood boy can now slink off in shame. You know who you are.
Interesting comment RL – how did you read, " Poots openly embraces a Russian neo-colonial order" when the text goes on to say, "It is obvious that the rules, the essence of the new world order, will be set by strong sovereign states," he said."
Incidentally, here is an alternative reporting of the same address. Seem to recall that other targets of your venom have expressed the view that the days of being corralled into a world where the US decides who is good and who is bad and who should live or who should die needs to end. The current 'world order' may have had been born of strong principles but they were corrupted long ago by the current 'colonial order'.
As for your smug 'piece de resistance ', it may have applied if you had your facts straight, but would have been no less insulting.
Not impressive, RedLogix. Cherry-picking the bits you want (or did you just skim the biased selection of quotes given in our media?)
I agree with aom, and see you as a more wishfully-thinking 'tankie' than even I used to be when I was young.
This is now a very dangerous situation. Neither side willing to give in, and escalation possible.
I don't think Putin was misunderstood: I think the USA was warned long ago by their own ambassador to Russia about how serious Putin and Russia were about the Ukraine.
But, of course, in your rose-tinted eyes, the USA would never have meddled in Ukrainian affairs, would it?
History will judge, if historians do not get wiped out with all the rest of us.
This speech speaks for itself – that you would defend such blatant neo-colonialism tells all.
That you believe only one side is practising 'neo-colonialism' (I prefer to call it good old imperialism) also tells it all.
Although this guy plods a bit, I take him as seriously as Al Jazeera’s pro-western slants.
Constantly telling us how terrible the west is for all of its misdeeds in the past – while at the same time backing an imperial invasion of medieval barbarity happening right now, is the very definition of a traitorous bad faith hypocrisy.
Mearscheimer get taken apart by Vexler:
Thanks. Will watch, and report back to you on a later thread.
Will no one think of the interminable suffering of the poor souls who initially planned to travel to the Cook Islands to look at potential locations for their upcoming wedding on their own but, after the first two changes, decided to bring their children and parents along as well.
/ /
“This time they’ve changed the flights by a whole day, so we’ve got to stay another night in the Cook Islands and pay for 10 more people’s accommodation,” Gardner said. “There are no other options, so you’ve got to accept it, but it’s like ‘are you guys going to help us out with accommodation?’. You can’t just find that out online.”
https://www.stuff.co.nz/travel/travel-troubles/300616084/people-are-suffering-no-imminent-end-to-air-new-zealand-call-centre-crisis
@pat 12.0
Let's have a look at what's conveyed in your first comment @ 2.2 :
"What percentage of people have the inclination, necessity or bandwidth to devote their attention to this in the current environment do you think?"
The reader in me interprets this as:
1. Justify your reason for posting on Open Mike;
2. You have other things you should be doing;
3. Everyone else has other things they should be doing.
No contribution at all, just admonition.
The pattern is recognisable, as is the cowardice in not just clearly saying:
'Shut up, why don't you?'
In reply to pat's view on gender issues. ‘Reply’ not currently working.
You are right pat.
The majority of people are not interested in the issue. When you take into consideration Climate Change, the potential for calamity due to the Russian invasion of Ukraine, famine/pestilence and a worldwide upsurge in extreme violence then it isn’t surprising.
Of course it is an important issue for some, but ramming it down people’s throats is not going to help their cause. By all means put up posts on this site, but I sometimes get the impression there is an attempt to derail other topics under discussion on OM in favour of yet another round of the gender war fracas.
Pat I wanted to ask you but Molly got in first "why does it bother you that we post here?
And we can either follow mistakes made overseas or we can learn from them.
BTW I am absolutely against the increase in funding for these surgeries. Latest evidence from Sweedon shows outcomes are poor (ie. more psychiatric hosptalizations after surgery than before, high rates of suicide and more cardiac problems c/p with controls. This is very good 10 year follow up. So these surgeries aren’t that helpful to the people receiving them and I suspect the “solution” makes the problem worse. Will post link soon.
BTW if there was balanced reporting in the msm about these issues and women weren’t being shut down, it is unlikely I d post on here so
@Anne 16.0
"Of course it is an important issue for some, but ramming it down people’s throats is not going to help their cause."
Noted that your rare contributions are solely to pat the backs of those saying: Ssssh!
Simple solution – scroll on, Anne.
This topic might not be a concern for you, but those engaging honestly have provided me with links and information that I value.
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@ Anker @17
I am completely unperturbed by the posting on gender identity issues on The Standard….my post was in response to the question as to why so few are engaged with the topic for which I offered my perspective….if a small group wish to discuss the subject good luck to you but dont expect ( or demand even) everyone to share your enthusiasm.
FFS Pat, if you're uninterested in a particular topic the polite thing to do would be to just scroll past.
And don't be mistaken by the quantity of participants , many just like to listen, so please don't be so rude.
What question? I didn't ask about this. I commented on the fact that gender identity unexamined causes great harm. And I pointed to the actual reason it's not being discussed: the success of No Debate.
I've not seen anything in your comments other than supposition that people aren't interested because transition affects as many people as rare cancers. But how would we know if there's been no public discussion? Further, people in positions of power (academics, medical people, therapists, politicians) are under intense pressure to not speak and not go against the ideology. That means little research, no precautionary principle, and badly written laws and policy. It's not some minor side issue, in the UK people are going to court over this.
@ Pat.
Yet if we go the other way and introduce Christianity into the argument people can't wait to join the scrum. Strange world.
Quote:
“Contemporary trends in our culture are constantly changing and need careful attention: some young people experience significant confusion about their gender.”
https://www.stuff.co.nz/bay-of-plenty/300613838/school-told-trans-student-god-doesnt-make-mistakes–then-they-tried-to-kill-themselves
Blade, there was a broader discussion on this incident on Open Mike 16/6/2022.
Sorry, have trouble linking when I'm on my phone.
Thanks for the heads up. I must have missed it.
To Pat (@12 / 21) – me too. My last major mistake was to provide an honest if ill-advised answer to a question posed at the end of a 13 October 2021 Guest post – didn't end well.
A subsequent minor (re)lapse (on 17 Feb 2022) was to reply to Molly when a comment of mine (to observer) fell foul – this generated a lengthy exchange that ended amicably enough when I committed to not replying to Molly's comments, and Molly thought that was probably for the best:
Now your comments have been linked to “cowardice“, and Anne has also fallen short.
Not all perspectives are equally welcome or easy to understand – that's to be expected.
This was to be expected if you have been following this issue. However, I didn't expect this situation. I can't blame prison officers. They can't defend themselves. They are underfunded and the hierarchy is useless.
However, Kelvin Davis, a reshuffle survivor, see's things differently.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/128981532/nearly-800-frontline-prison-jobs-unstaffed-as-guards-quit-in-droves
My short term solution is use new police and army recruits on a rotational basis. That way they get to look evil in the face, unlike the second hand description they get from their instructors. It will also toughen them up both physically and mentally, especially mentally. If these recruits think inmates are only one step up in evolution from monkeys, they will be in for a huge shock to their middle class perceptions. It would also act as a filtering system that allows recruits to think twice about a career that puts them in continual danger.
My suggestion to Labour- call an early election. Either late November or May next year. You have lost control of NZ.
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Pat – you might like to have a look at what your children/grandchildren/ younger relatives etc are being taught today in New Zealand.
schools. https://hpe.tki.org.nz/guidelines-and-policies/relationships-and-sexuality-education/
Skip to the Glossary at the end and see that it is all about "gender" and very little about sex. They refuse to give a definition of "homosexuality" and talk about same gender attraction rather than same sex attraction. Note also the inclusion of a "third sex".
They say that children are "assigned a sex at birth" when the truth is that your sex is determined at conception and is observed at birth – or these days by scans etc before birth.
"Sex assigned at birth: All babies are assigned a sex at birth, usually determined by a visual observation of external genitalia. A person’s gender may or may not align with their sex assigned at birth."
The whole curriculum is absolutely captured by, and infested with "gender ideology".
This is unscientific claptrap and one day quite soon some National Party activist is going to make a grand drama out of it.
Here you go, folks. Media beat-up of the week.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/kaumatua-questions-christopher-luxons-maoridom-guidance-after-potential-tikanga-breach/EXVW5XG2MG5UERO6ZU4TMCR3BQ/?utm_campaign=nzh_tw&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Twitter&utm_campaign=nzh_tw#Echobox=1655364282-1
@Drowsy M. Kram 24,0
Stunning and brave comment. Join the club over in the corner of the yard.
Must've left a scar for you to be still hurting over a query to your comment in October 2021:
Your suggestion?
Not helpful, nor a solution driven approach. More an ignore those who think it's a problem scenario.
I thought back in October 2021, that it was a misunderstanding around language that interfered with robust discussion on this issue. I understood why some people said TWAW, even though I was not one of them, for the reasons stated. I had difficulty understanding why those that did say it, were so adamant that everyone should join in.
Since that first post, I've found the term women to be erased from medical policies and announcements here in NZ, despite evidence showing that such 'inclusive' language reduces the effectiveness and clarity of messages. I've seen how the conflation of sex and gender in political and public discussions is further hampered by the redefinition of the word woman.
There is no other single word to describe adult human females, which is necessary in advocacy and support in terms of politics, social impacts, medicine and statistics.
I've considered and assessed the problem and agree with the solution that was recognised by many before me.
The word woman is already fully occupied by adult human females.
Transwomen are men.
Clever clever Molly, but imho your brightest and most revealing phrase is:
The rainbow, with all its "pretty colours", does seem to confuse and threaten some, while others feel it should be brighter still. Most Kiwis haven't given the rainbow much thought beyond a few harmless casual comments and a little trivial discrimination here and there – your non-tribal approach can change this and build trusting relationships.
Kia kaha.
Not trying to be clever, just occasionally run out of patience.
Thanks for the link to my relevant post. Don't really understand the relevance or remember using the phrase "neon glare of the rainbow" – but I quite like it.
Is that really my most unforgivable quote? … obviously must try harder.
(BTW, arnica's good for persistent bruising on thin skin.)
An intriguing diversion, but your phrase "neon glare of the rainbow" is "revealing". Little wonder that you quite like it – "pretty colours" and all.
Not seeing how its use is consistent with your apparent concerns about “how tribal some seem to be“, but do hope you will use it more often, in keeping with your “stunning and brave” mindset.
[edit] Thank for the arnica advice – another great example of how your non-tribal approach can build trusting relationships.
Drowsy.
I appear to be failing to make my point clear
As you are contributing no counter considerations, offering no information or articulating other perspectives on this topic, but instead choosing to whinge, I have resorted to the lowest form of wit – sarcasm.
I thought that – at least – you would understand.
(The arnica advice – however -remains valid.)
As do I. No whinging here – please use your (non-sarcastic?) phrase "the neon glare of the rainbow", with its "pretty colours", as often as you "quite like it", and its relevance to "how tribal some seem to be" may dawn on you.
[edit] Thanks again for the arnica advice – might give it a go if needed.
https://www.webmd.com/vitamins/ai/ingredientmono-721/arnica
On a laptop this morning, so now able to access my comment with the notorious, but somewhat adept turn of phrase "neon glare of the rainbow", to see why it was so memorable. (Phone only provided link to post itself, and all comments were inaccessible.)
Leery as I am of obviously truncated "quotes", I wanted to assure myself that I was indeed the author of the obviously memorable phrase, (kudos to me if that was the case) and have a look at the context.
So, on a post about the lack of medical evidence for children, and the fact that countries that have reviewed existing studies have found harm, and exchange with Sabine about the lack of public discussion, and the self-monitoring on the left led to this:
"Women raising concerns are definitely being treated differently to men raising the same concerns, even as those concerns are ignored.
I feel as if women's rights have almost melted away in the neon glare of the rainbow, and that is powered by all the co-opted institutions and governments who are dazzled by the pretty colours.
How this situation is not of concern to everyone is an indication of how tribal some seem to be."
Colour me red and yellow and pink and green, indigo, violet and blue – I am the witty author. Better still, I find myself in complete agreement with myself, in terms of the context of the post and the conversation that was taking place.
Perhaps you could ask yourself why in a post, with many comments on the very real problem of iatrogenic harm to minors by the adoption of such badly evidenced "affirming healthcare" (with a multitude of links and references to research) your 'takeaway' was offense at the somewhat colourful turn of phrase, "neon glare of the rainbow"?
Your clumsy attempt to imply that it means I have no consideration for others, rather than the clear statement that the movement and it's allies demands no scrutiny or critique is worrying.
Perhaps, not surprising though, because when offered a veritable smorgasbord of evidence and a wide variety of talking points where alternative viewpoints were encouraged and would be valuable, you instead opted for the junk food option of the 'takeaway'.
I thank you for the reminder of the phrase "neon glare of the rainbow". I think it describes succinctly the failure of many to do their due diligence in terms of policies, medical interventions, women's rights and child safeguarding in the pursuit of progressive credentials.
I will be using it again, in such context.
As a relic who lived through the eighties, neon glare has little effect on me, but others with weaker eyes may need to put on their sunglasses and start engaging about content rather than choosing 'a fence' to whinge from.
(Bad punning is a result of losing patience with bad faith engagement. You'll obviously have to learn to deal with it, if you engage again with me without providing any relevant points of discussion, or challenging mine with clarity.)
Thank-you for that quote Molly. I did not see the original.
I'm not removed from your concerns. Indeed I can testify to the accuracy of that statement – at least in general terms.
Years ago, I realised I had knowledge of a tiny group of NZers who were implicated in the preparations occurring in advance of the Rainbow Warrior bombing. I was not listened to (because I was a woman) and the culprits were never arrested and charged. I was not harmed [physically] in the immediate ensuing years but my pets were. Enough time has passed now for me to feel able to talk about it.
Go well with your campaign against the rights of women to be listened to… and to be protected from those who do them harm in whatever way it may be.
Thanks, Anne for taking the time to read and consider.
It's more in line with my experience of your comments on topics, and your explanatory reply is appreciated.
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Oops… I meant “Go well with your campaign FOR the rights of women to be listened to. 😮
Embarrassingly, since I try to take care to read properly, I didn't even notice the slip…
(These moving emoticons are throwing me off).
I agree with the assumed original, and the corrected update. Respectful listening to all, is an essential part of resolving issues.
Trying for the thumb myself now…
@ Visubversa @26
Curiously I have 2 children who are teachers and in my discussions with them I have detected no such problem…that may be because as with most of the curriculum it is tempered by the common sense of those implementing it.
If there were instances in NZ of minors being forcibly given hormone treatment or surgery i dont doubt that the opposition and media would all over it like a rash….the opportunity would be too good to miss…as to oddly intentioned (minority) health and/or education advocates it is par for the course and parents will consider it as it warrants….adults are free to make their own minds up, right or wrong.
"If there were instances in NZ of minors being forcibly given hormone treatment or surgery.."
I haven't read any comments mentioning that minors are forcibly given treatment. I, along with others, have pointed out that the current "affirming healthcare" model currently in use for minors in New Zealand, is being abandoned by countries who have reviewed the clinical evidence for such an approach.
Not only have those reviews found that treatment for minors is not beneficial, it results in net harms. NZ follows the WPATH and Yogyakarta Principles guidelines. Neither of which is medically based, or clinically evidenced. For some reason, this information is ignored by NZ media, and also, on political blogs such as TS.
"i dont doubt that the opposition and media would all over it like a rash….the opportunity would be too good to miss…"
Except this might not be the case if commentators and media self-censor and regulate.
This tweet is an example:
https://twitter.com/hatpinwoman/status/1537922190795911170?s=20&t=BUe1KcQt64evARgXt6Ygsg
Not a fan of Ben Shapiro, but didn't know the story behind the clip so did a search, and found this short video of Ben Shapiro covering the background.
https://youtu.be/Fi9aDLAtVbw
However, I wanted to see how the producers and the others on the show responded to a panelist actually physically grabbing someone by the neck and threatening them with physical violence.
So, after looking I found the whole segment. Timeset it to get the response after the incident. You only need to watch a couple of minutes to see how the blatant violence is ignored and excused:
https://youtu.be/6tj3ULSJV8I?t=526
Now, if Ben Shapiro had grabbed Zoey Tur on the back of the neck and threatened to put Zoey in the back of the ambulance – what would the response have been?
Has the left created a sacred class to be excused from any responsibility at all costs?
Do you really believe that in a climate such as this, you are going to be kept informed by media and the opposition?
@Molly
Has the left created a sacred class to be excused from any responsibility at all costs?
It does this all the time. What you are finally seeing with this trans activism is the logical outcome of a process going back decades or more.
Frankly I am appalled beyond words – and I do not often use that word – at the butchery of teenage bodies (male and female) being sacrificed at the altar of this mad cult. But then like many men I get the distinct message this is in is some unspecified way all our fault anyway – and it is required we STFU.
I am also appalled.
I hear you regarding your discomfort and disagreement with aligning with feminists on this issue. I have the same aversion to in any way promoting someone like Matt Walsh, who I find uninteresting for the most part, and has very traditional gender stereotypes which GC feminists have fought against for decades – for both sexes.
However, as my concern is for women's rights and the protection of children from indoctrination and iatrogenic harm, I agree where agreement is warranted. I also acknowledge his circle of influence is not only huge, but is located in a demographic where few GC feminists will be found. He might intrigue his viewers enough to find out more, and we should all endeavour to make sure as much robust evidence, considerations and arguments is out there to find as possible. I post not to annoy but inform, although it often does the former only for certain commenters. That's of little concern to me, I just hope some may read and then go look for themselves.
I consider it a foolish expectation for me to need you to be a feminist before agreeing on this issue. By the same token, I don't really think you'd expect me not to be one.
If you consider the issue regarding the iatrogenic harm on minors to be of concern enough to stand beside those who raise the issue then there is a welcome space there.
Choice to engage – and how to engage – lies with us all.
On the theme of left progressiveness, I've also been surprised at how many topics are approached tribally with an expectation of total agreement or banishment.
The choice of many on the left to be authoritarian when the option was available. Mandates and compulsory vaccinations were treated as the only solution rather than a preferred one.
And I am beyond defending the current narrative that leaves the right as the only proponents of free speech.
Where are our left wing defenders of free speech?
At a time when even left and right should be working together as often as possible, I find myself politically homeless. I don't think I'm alone in this dilemma.
Read and agreed – more than you know.
Red Logix, I don't blame men for the what is/has happened with gender ideology. I am a little frustrated that some progressive left wing men are not listening to women who are concerned about gender ideology. But I am frustrated with the women who don't seem to grasp what is going on either.
There is almost total censorship in this country in the msm about how gender ideology pervades most of our institutions and many businesses. The msm, particularly Stuff seem to carry an inordinate amount of material which can either only be considered pro trans. They almost without exception ignore any gender critical views or if they mention them, they use terms like "controversial group SUFW". I have yet to see an article about SUFW which reveals what the organisation is truly about. Even though the Judge in the case in Palmerston North High Court stated that SUFW could not be considered a hate group, they are presented as such by the media.
As the media are not doing their job, I think it is not possible to argue that the problems with gender ideology are only happening overseas.
Well for my part I am entirely supportive of The Standard remaining one of the few local public domains where this can be discussed rationally.
Looks like the reply problem is fixed. It was a javascript minifier at cloudflare.
However I also found that the license for w3 total cache had disappeared. Chasing that now. Explains a sluggishness that has been showing up recently on the site.
I also have hardware for a new home server (and TS host) arriving. Should all be here by tuesday.
asrock rack x570d2u, The main reason for that upgrade is that it has a acceptable BMC for IPMI on it, and I wasn't that interested in doing a xeon system. If supermicro had a workstation/server board for a desktop AMD, then I'd have gotten that. Ryzen 5700G and 64GB RAM.
The disks will just get pulled from the old system ~20Tb of them. But I will look at upgrading the raid 1 array from TS from IBM 120Gb SSDs to something faster.
The old workstation (Ryzen 1700X) will probably get a facelift with a newer GPU, widescreen, and maybe a 3000 series CPU that the x370 chipset supports. But I don't play games apart from Civ6 these days, so I don't think I can be bothered upgrading it to far.
Thanks, Lprent.
Haven't been so active of late, probably to the delight of a few few, but do appreciate the effort and time spent on providing this platform.
Picked up the CPU and RAM on Saturday along with a pile of overdue UPS lead heavy batteries (roll on cheaper and lighter lithium UPS units).
Case and power supply arrived this morning.
Just waiting for the motherboard, which DHL say will be tomorrow. I had to get that from Aussie.
I built a pc a few months ago for music production using the 5700g and asus b550 tomahawk. Very impressed with both the cpu and board.
The 5700G looks damn near perfect for a non-gaming work station. Not too dear. Not too hot at 65W on the TPD. Significant grunt if you're doing anything that can use multi-threaded efficiently.
I'll probably just leave this one as air-cooled. The 1700X it is replacing was a nominal 95W, so I water cooled it just in case. I could hear it on air cooled when I ran long compiles. But I never heard it after I water cooled it.
I used a Asus X370 Prime motherboard last time. Hasn't burped at all in the last 5 years of continuous. I'll probably keep it running as the archive server.
I picked the motherboard this time for an ability to do remote updates without having to have the CPU running. 5 months working in Singapore in 2018 made that a very desirable feature this time around.
That is logical – because v6 had been working well for some days now. I was pleased to see that at long last I could reply on my Android phone reliably all week – something that was always very flaky in the past.
It seemed odd to me that a new version would work well for a week and then fail; therefore the problem lay elsewhere.
Same experience for me on my Android phone.
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