Open mike 21/04/2012

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1. Pete George 1

   21 April 2012 at 7:12 am

   The latest Roy Morgan poll has some surprises and some results not so surprising.

   National Party 49.5% (up 5.5%)
   Labour 26.5% (down 4%)
   Greens 12.5% (down 4.5%)
   New Zealand First 6.5% (up 1.5%)
   Maori Party 1.5% (unchanged)
   Others 1.5% (up 1%)
   Mana Party 1% (up 0.5%)
   United Future 1% (up 0.5%)
   ACT NZ 0% (down 0.5%)

   I’m surprised National have bounced back that much. It may be a lucky spike going againbst a recent slightly downward trend.

   Labour’s drop doesn’t surprise me, sustained negative politics and a non-prominent leader won’t be enthusing swing voters.

   Greens drop back to earth is no surprise, the last poll spike seemed likely to be too much too quickly.

   NZF seems to be still doing well with the “stuff it, there’s no one else worth voting for” vote.

   I think TV3 have their next poll release tomorrow night, it will be interesting to see how that compares.

   http://www.roymorgan.com/news/polls/2012/4764/
   • Eddie 1.1

     21 April 2012 at 8:40 am

     If you consider 12.5% to be ‘dropping back to earth’ then United Future must be positively subterranean
     • Pete George 1.1.1

       21 April 2012 at 8:45 am

       It’s all relative, isn’t it.

       UF doubled what’s been a consistent (albeit very modest) level of poll support for some time. I’m sure there are less worries there than with Labour. Or are you happy with where Labour’s at?
       • NickS 1.1.1.1

         21 April 2012 at 9:15 pm

         Except the increase is less than the error of the poll and thus statistically non-significant, meaning that it’s more probable that 0.5% increase is noise.
   • bad12 1.2

     21 April 2012 at 11:01 am

     So what does that make the % movement in the Roy Morgan poll for the 3 bigger Party,s in the space of a month???,

     Such erratic ‘polling’ cannot really be relied upon as an accurate estimate of support and I would dare not here suggest that a certain Australian public relations firm has had a private conversation with a certain Australian public polling firm, reminding that polling firm just how much biz that public relations firm puts their way,

     Such things just never happen like that,(only in the conspiracy theories,our range of tin-foil hats are available for sale online at you know where),

     Or do they, during the 2011 election campaign,and, the months leading up to that campaign I was involved commenting online elsewhere, needless to say the experience was a cesspool of abuse firstly directed at me and secondly indulged in by me in terms of ‘giving as good as I got’,

     Back to the point tho, during the ongoing debate over whether NZFirst had a bulls roar show of re-entering the Parliament on that un-named site I was actively watching a particular ‘on-line political polling site’ with great interest, particularly the nature of the NZFirst ‘polling’ on that site,

     When asked befor the election,and,based upon what I had learned from that particular polling site I quoted NZFirst as being 6.2%–12% of the vote,

     The accuracy 6.2% and the wide % differential I gave at the time was simply the addition to what my base-line figure for NZFirst’s polling was at the time of all the times that Party was manipulated downward within that particular poll,(ie every time NZFirst polled 5% it was immediately manipulated back down to 3%),

     Over the past 2 Roy Morgan polls the swings for all 3 Party,s Green/Labour/National are far to great to be viewed as an accurate record of voter sentiment…
     • ianmac 1.2.1

       21 April 2012 at 11:45 am

       You are right bad12. In short something does not add up. Margin of error or something else?
2. Tiger Mountain 2

   21 April 2012 at 7:34 am

   Oh well Pete has delivered his analysis so the rest of us may as well piss off home…
   ACT-zero point zero-heh.
   • Pete George 2.1

     21 April 2012 at 8:14 am

     “Open mike is your post. For announcements, general discussion, whatever you choose.”
3. Uturn 3

   21 April 2012 at 7:59 am

   The fact that almost 30% of the voting population didn’t vote last election and that Roy Morgan are accounting for only around 12% of those people, makes that poll completely useless.
4. Te Reo Putake 4

   21 April 2012 at 8:30 am

   Christian charity corner:
    
   Seven years jail for singing in church?
5. Lanthanide 5

   21 April 2012 at 8:55 am

   Interesting battery news. Yes it’s a long way off from production, yada yada yada, but still good news none the less:

   http://hardware.slashdot.org/story/12/04/20/1344223/ibm-creates-breathing-high-density-lithium-air-battery

   Some brief quotes:

   As part of IBM’s Battery 500 project — an initiative started in 2009 to produce a battery capable of powering a car for 500 miles — Big Blue has successfully demonstrated a light-weight, ultra-high-density, lithium-air battery.
   …
   The main thing, though, is that lithium-air energy density is a lot higher than conventional lithium-ion batteries: the max energy density of lithium-air batteries is theorized to be around 12 kWh/kg, some 15 times greater than li-ion — and more importantly, comparable to gasoline.

   Emphasis mine.
   • ianmac 5.1

     21 April 2012 at 11:48 am

     I wonder if it is known how much energy/resources are needed to produce a light-weight, ultra-high-density, lithium-air battery?
   • Colonial Viper 5.2

     22 April 2012 at 5:16 pm

     That potential energy density is astoundingly high.

     Of course, we also need to remember that unlike oil, batteries are not a source of energy. Batteries can only store energy that is sourced or generated from elsewhere.
6. freedom 6

   21 April 2012 at 9:02 am

   one more tax on the poor
   http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=10800337
   or are the usual suspects going to defend it as fair and equitable?

   The reality is, there is no way this is going to be honestly and accurately applied to all the corporate expense accounts, the credit cards, the private parking, in-house catering, the subsidised travel etc etc that the business world gorge on everyday.

   What is an expense account if not a payment in lieu of salary?
   • Lanthanide 6.1

     21 April 2012 at 10:27 am

     Government’s left hand: we want charities to provide more social housing! We want charities to do all the things we don’t want to do any more!

     Government’s right hand: pay us tax on all those fringe benefits you previously didn’t have to tax!
7. Pete George 7

   21 April 2012 at 9:48 am

   There’s “some” pressure on Dunedin City Council to follow Christchurch and declare the city frack free. The front page of this week’s community newspaper was covered by it.

   It claims “a lot of people in Dunedin are calling for this”. I followed some links and found lightweight support around New Zealand and bugger all in Dunedin. The person claiming that was an Octagon occupier – remember the 99%? What the frack?
   • logie97 7.1

     21 April 2012 at 10:21 am

     Hey Pete, is there any subject that you are not an expert on??

     Now let’s see –
     knows there is nothing wrong with fracking.
     knows everything there is to know about industrial relations.
     knows everything about the advantages of charter schools.
     knows everything about the advantages of conference centres and government tendering.
     knows everything there is to know about good teaching practice (supported Tolley to the hilt remember…)

     Or do you just post to flame?

     How do you rate on the supply of statins and asparin to all in the country free in order to raise life expectancy?

     Are there a few letters missing off your profile.
     MSc, LLB, MBA, MEng. MAcc, MGeol, MPlan, MEd

     Just wondering.
     • Pete George 7.1.1

       21 April 2012 at 10:32 am

       I don’t think there’s “nothing wrong with fracking”. I await the results of the Commissioner for the Environment inquiry with interest. If the inquiry finds real and significant concerns about fracking in New Zealand then I’ll be concerned about fracking here.

       I do have a problem with a very small number of people trying to pressure DCC into doing something that probably isn’t council business, and especially without proper democratic consultation.
       • aerobubble 7.1.1.1

         21 April 2012 at 10:46 am

         Urban areas have been known to be harmed by mining when the land subsides. Fracking under urban areas will over time leave a huge risk for homeowners, will this be on the LIM?
         • Fortran 7.1.1.1.1

           21 April 2012 at 1:26 pm

           Underground mining, such as in Waihi, and the West Coast has sweet f.a. to do with fracking.
           Fracking is only used to detect oil and gas at substantial depths.
           • aerobubble 7.1.1.1.1.1

             28 April 2012 at 9:20 am

             Fracking causes earthquakes. Earthquakes are just large large earth movements. Subsidence is what people call earth movements that are not perceivable.
             Fracking will increase, not only the possibility for earthquakes, but subsidence.
       • freedom 7.1.1.2

         21 April 2012 at 10:52 am

         “If the inquiry finds real and significant concerns about fracking in New Zealand then I’ll be concerned about fracking here.”

         newsflash for Petey et al, we live on the same frakkin planet you moron, the laws of physics apply here just the same as they do elsewhere. Nitpick all you want but the very physical act of fraccing is class-A-high-grade-collector-edition- stupid!

         anywhere, anytime, for anything.
         • Pete George 7.1.1.2.1

           21 April 2012 at 10:58 am

           newsflash for freedom – there’s different fracking methods and vastly different gelology in different parts of the world.

           Has there been any verifiable reports of significant problems with fracking in New Zealand?
           • freedom 7.1.1.2.1.1

             21 April 2012 at 11:13 am

             I have often wondered,
             do they deliver your koolaid in a drum or do you get an overnight iv?
         • marty mars 7.1.1.2.2

           21 April 2012 at 3:00 pm

           I agree with you freedom, and add that pete is just a fracking denier
   • weka 7.2

     21 April 2012 at 11:42 am

     The reason councils should get involved at the behest of the people is because national government cannot currently be trusted to protect the environment we are all dependent on.
8. aerobubble 8

   21 April 2012 at 10:50 am

   So now that Sky is slated to get pokies, will their investors sue if they lose income from future changes to the law, aka smoking branding?

   Crafer was a news story from the beginning, first as cow pooh overflowing, then as the first Chinese buyer was not of good standing, and then National rubberstamping the deal, now as China gets Landcorp to make milk for them. The only good Crafer has commanded is to open the debate up on how stupid it is to fix legislation and tax, lock in decline, and become tenants in our own land.
   • Fortran 8.1

     21 April 2012 at 1:30 pm

     The Crafer family bankrupted their farms, the ownership therefore turning to the money lenders, Westpac, an Australian Bank who became the de facto owners.
     Maybe Westpac should not have lent them so much in the beginning.
     Nevertheless they have still lost a large sum from this sale even so.
9. felix 9

   21 April 2012 at 11:07 am

   Warmonger, racist, and general all-round bigoted fuckwit Mark Bennett filling in for Michael Laws on Radio Live yesterday:

   I can’t wait to see the first aircraft carrier arrive for god’s sake I mean, you know, big, big lumpy old David Lange, standing up there on his pulpit telling us why we can’t have Americans down here, and forgetting the 70 odd thousand that died to clear all the nips out of this part of the world, you know, I mean, I (sputter, pant sputter), what did, (fap fap choke),what really was the man thinking? (pant pant) I can’t wait for the first nuclear powered American aircraft carrier to arrive in the Waitemata Harbour I’ll be out there on a raft with a big sign saying “welcome home” (bursts into song and jizzes his pants)

   Oh and for bonus points this little rant was bookended by anti-mislim fervour.

   Radio Live, 10:45.35am yesterday. http://www.radiolive.co.nz/Audio/tabid/109/Default.aspx
   • Johnm 9.1

     21 April 2012 at 11:34 am

     Hi Felix
     Radio Live is outrageously right wing. At the moment they’ve got Rodney Hide filling in for John Tamihere. Laws is a professional underclass basher. Willy Jackson might be effective but dilutes everything with “Mate” ,laughter, humour, feel good music and jokeyness. Maggie Barry who worked there is now a Nat MP. JT is an apologist for the right. Paul Henry another American toady. And Key had his 1 hour Party Political Broadcast prior to the last election.
   • kiwi_prometheus 9.2

     21 April 2012 at 1:14 pm

     I think I will vote that old die hard Winnie Peters next time. Was a Labour voter for awhile then migrated to Greens for the past 4 elections.

     No wonder Labour has got no traction – a new leader who looks like Keys lite – smiley middle aged middle class white guy -yawn. And the residual Helengrad elements still lurking, like the reverse racist, man hating felix types.

     I am particularly impressed with NZ First’s immigration position.
     • felix 9.2.1

       21 April 2012 at 4:11 pm

       You got one thing right kp, I am a reverse racist.

       I’m also a reverse murderer, a reverse Feelers fan, and a reverse foot-fetishist.

       Quite wrong about everything else though. As for your trolling, must try harder. Very old hat, very obvious.
       • kiwi_prometheus 9.2.1.1

         21 April 2012 at 7:33 pm

         Old hat? How about your tired predictable Helen faction drivel? It is as outdated and failed as Rogernomics.

         No wonder Labour is going no where fast.
         • felix 9.2.1.1.1

           21 April 2012 at 7:36 pm

           I’m nothing to do with Labour you fucking retard.
           • kiwi_prometheus 9.2.1.1.1.1

             21 April 2012 at 8:45 pm

             Lucky for Labour.

             You must be a member of the Tourette Syndrome NZ Party then?
             • felix …

               21 April 2012 at 9:15 pm

               If you don’t like having your intelligence belittled, don’t type such demonstrably stupid things.

               If you don’t like naughty words, don’t get into conversations with people who do.

               Simple really. Just like you.
               • kiwi_prometheus …

                 21 April 2012 at 11:23 pm

                 If you don’t like having your twisted ideas challenged don’t post them.

                 Reasonable really. Unlike you.

                 Are you QofT little sister? – your posts have the same vein popping screamer tone
                 • McFlock …

                   21 April 2012 at 11:29 pm

                   Lol – your response to someone belittling your intelligence is a four-year old’s version of monkey-see monkey-do.
                    
                   • kiwi_prometheus …

                     21 April 2012 at 11:45 pm

                     No surprise, one of felix’s admirers comes rushing to the rescue, lol.
                   • McFlock …

                     21 April 2012 at 11:53 pm

                     “rescue”? From what? You seem to have delusions of grandeur.
                      
                   • Colonial Viper …

                     22 April 2012 at 12:31 pm

                     Prometheus…he who stole fire from the gods…and gave it to man kind. Didn’t end up in a very good way did he?
                 • fender …

                   22 April 2012 at 1:57 am

                   Funny how the biggest tossers name themselves after mythological heros.

                   Mankind has enough fire thanks kiwi_pro(meth)eus. And since you only seem to be carrying shit you better fuck off before you get to find out if your liver really can grow back overnite.
                   • kiwi_prometheus …

                     22 April 2012 at 10:32 am

                     Another Miss felix admirer, and suffering Tourette’s Syndrome too. You all go to the same support group?

                     Which reminds me of that funny joke:

                     How many feminist does it take to change a light bulb?

                     10, one to change the light bulb and 9 to form a support group for Survivors of Darkness.
                   • felix …

                     22 April 2012 at 12:20 pm

                     Oh dear. Are you not a feminist, k_p?
                 • felix …

                   22 April 2012 at 6:27 am

                   Ahahaha I wish I’d stayed up for this.

                   I think our new friend k_p is going to be fun.
                   • kiwi_prometheus …

                     22 April 2012 at 1:06 pm

                     Guess you had an early night coz you had to be up for the All Men Are Rapists! Awarness Group meeting.
   • Vicky32 9.3

     22 April 2012 at 5:05 pm

     Warmonger, racist, and general all-round bigoted fuckwit Mark Bennett filling in for Michael Laws on Radio Live yesterday:

     Oh, is Bennett still around? I did wonder what had become of him (I listened to him  in the 1990s, as his station was the only one I could get while travelling.) What a vile man he is!
10. Oscar 10

    21 April 2012 at 11:20 am

    So when is Mallard coming out with his decision?

    Mallard to decide over 2012 summer whether to stand again

    Summers long gone, Winter is Coming. Whats the story Scalper Mallard?
    • Draco T Bastard 10.1

      21 April 2012 at 11:40 am

      That was the 2011 summer just gone, the 2012 summer will start sometime around October.
      • weka 10.1.1

        21 April 2012 at 11:50 am

        October? Jeeze some places in NZ are lucky to get summer by New Years 😉
        • Draco T Bastard 10.1.1.1

          21 April 2012 at 11:17 pm

          I suggest moving north from Stewart Island 😛
          • KJT 10.1.1.1.1

            22 April 2012 at 11:59 am

            Or away from Wellington!

            The North coast of Stewart Island has predominantly pleasant weather.
      • bad12 10.1.2

        21 April 2012 at 11:53 am

        We can only hope, the ‘feeling’ here is that ‘climate change’ might have just moved the ‘seasons’ a little meaning Spring/Summer on the wee islands Of Gods Own may start a little later than October,

        The evidence for this,well very little,(another bald assertion from the home of bald assertions)our garden seeds tho,sprouting out of the ground with monotonous regularity in October every year would not in 2011 come forth till well into November,

        An isolated incident perhaps more to do with Wellington’s ‘strange’ weather in 2011,(snowing twice in Winter down at sea-level),lets see what happens this October…
        • KJT 10.1.2.1

          22 April 2012 at 12:37 pm

          All that hot air rising causes a permanent low pressure area over Wellington.
      • Oscar 10.1.3

        21 April 2012 at 10:15 pm

        No

        The summers in NZ are generally referred to the months they end in, as has always been the case. Hence the 2012 summer has already ended as at 29 February 2012.

        Much the same in the Northern Hemisphere where the Winters are referred to the months they end in.

        You don’t use the start of the seasons to signify the current years. You are the first person I’ve ever seen that seems to think that.

        Summer 2013 for NZ starts in December 2012 and ends in February 2013.

        Although with this planet shifting by degrees on its axis in the last two years with Chile and Japan (and still waiting to see what the double banger M8’s in Indonesia have caused) it’s theoretically likely that the seasons have shifted by up to a month.
        • Draco T Bastard 10.1.3.1

          21 April 2012 at 11:15 pm

          The summers in NZ are generally referred to the months they end in, as has always been the case.

          Link?

          Although with this planet shifting by degrees on its axis in the last two years…

          Man, you must read some shit.
          • Oscar 10.1.3.1.1

            22 April 2012 at 10:52 am

            Not everythings on the internet you doofus. My kids primary school newsletter isn’t on the interwebs, and neither is common knowledge that’s been passed down.

            Summer 2012 School Holidays are over and it’s back to school.

            And a simple google for you will show that Chile and Japan did shift earth on it’s axis.
            It’s not shit when it’s been pear-shaped reviewed.
            • Te Reo Putake 10.1.3.1.1.1

              22 April 2012 at 11:22 am

              Oskar, you are way off beam with both summers and axis. While the earthquakes may have had a tiny and temporary effect on the way the globe wobbles, they have not moved the seasons by so much as a minute, let alone a month.
               
              Having experienced a few summers, it has been my understanding that NZ seasons traditionally are said to follow European ones. We’ve just ‘enjoyed’ summer 2011 and Europe is just beginning summer 2012. But more importantly, the question is what Trev meant by ‘summer 2012’. And clearly, he meant next summer, because it’s a more sensible time in the electoral cycle to be considering one’s future. If he’d meant summer 2011, he’d have simply said ‘over the summer’.
            • Draco T Bastard 10.1.3.1.1.2

              22 April 2012 at 11:24 am

              …and neither is common knowledge that’s been passed down.

              The problem is that your claiming something that isn’t common knowledge.

              And a simple google for you will show that Chile and Japan did shift earth on it’s axis.

              Yep, by a few centimetres – enough to make no difference at all.

              It’s not shit when it’s been pear-shaped reviewed.

              Absolutely tuiti-fruiti.
              • Oscar …

                22 April 2012 at 4:23 pm

                Exactly – by degrees

                But given the vast amount by which the sumatran quakes slid past each other – which is “unprecedented” given the plates moved anywhere between 21 – 38 metres depending on which site you read.

                We’ll just have to agree to disagree on when the summer period is claimed.
                After all, I have an old dominion post here from November last year that talks about Summer 2011-2012 Events.

                I would have thought most people would refer to it as Summer 2012 given there’s more months in the 2012 summer than in 2011, albeit a factor of 2 months.

                And Te Reo – the effects are not “temporary” they are permanent. 25 years ago Summers regularly started around Labour Weekend. I’ve seen the summer seasons start later and later and haven’t seen a Summer begin before or on Labour Weekend since around 1998.

                Ive had to plant out my summer crops later in the year since then given what’s planted over Labour Weekend tends to flower too early for proper pollination.

                Anything planted towards the end of November/mid December gets a much better fruiting season on. Zucchinis I planted November last year were done by Waitangi weekend. Some I planted during the xmas break are still going strong even now – and these are all from seedlings.
                • Draco T Bastard …

                  23 April 2012 at 11:20 pm

                  Although with this planet shifting by degrees on its axis in the last two years…

                  Exactly – by degrees

                  No, it’s not degrees, it’s centimetres. For it to be degrees it would have to have been measured in hundreds of kilometres.
                  • lprent …

                    23 April 2012 at 11:28 pm

                    Stop confusing Oscar with actual numbers, especially when it involves time periods. He has a bit of Timelords problem – never quite sure of what era he is in.

                    But in this case, I suspect he is confused between the rates of magnetic variation and axial precession. One is measured in minutes per year, the other in fractions of a meter per year.

                    /faux concern (Farrar mode) off
    • ianmac 10.2

      21 April 2012 at 11:58 am

      With long service and his being upfront, Trevor gathered some history, which on cue has the negative sorts picking out those “events.” Think of those very obscure MPs who came and went without their names being known by anyone except their Mums and Dads. Trevor has achieved a great deal. As Minister of Education for instance he was upfront, progressive, approachable and frank. Compare that with current and past Min of Ed.
11. logie97 11

    21 April 2012 at 11:31 am

    Williamson in his discourse justified the decision for the Crafar deal as “…well Helen Clark celebrated the high country estate sale to Shania Twain” so that makes it okay – I said – she said …

    Just one small point Williamson didn’t mention was that Shania Twain made her estate open to the general public to walk / frolic and appreciate, and from memory, the land did not appear to be in the “productive” area.

    (As an aside, some of you may remember the Tokoroa/Kinleath plant under NZForestProducts – The public used to have reasonable access and visit the set-up.
    When it went to foreign interests, there were considerably elaborate fences and several security gates erected to discourage visits.)
    • Draco T Bastard 11.1

      21 April 2012 at 11:53 am

      …and from memory, the land did not appear to be in the “productive” area.

      Um, what?

      The 2005 purchase of the 25,000 ha Mototapu and Mt Soho stations by companies linked to Ms Twain and her then husband were hailed by politicians and the media as signalling a new “smart, win win” approach to the controversial subject of foreigners buying up great chunks of prime NZ land.

      I’m pretty sure that the stations were quite productive – before Shania Twain bought them anyway.
    • weka 11.2

      21 April 2012 at 11:59 am

      “Shania Twain made her estate open to the general public to walk / frolic and appreciate,”

      err, no she didn’t. What she did was establish a walking track so that the public could access a very specific part of the farm. The rest is off limits. Prior to that access by the public would have been vaguer but more free. Access to high country farms has changed alot in the past decade, largely due to NZ being overrun by tourists. Traditional values on land access have changed.

      As far as I know, the Motutapu Station is a productive farm. I don’t know if Twain is still the owner, as her and her husband have since separated.

      btw, (for Mark up there esp) I was opposed to the sale at the time.

      (simulpost with Draco)
      • logie97 11.2.1

        21 April 2012 at 12:04 pm

        DTB and weka
        points well made, thanks and noted. I was more concerned about the justification – “They did it so that it makes it okay for us…” mentality.
        • weka 11.2.1.1

          21 April 2012 at 12:10 pm

          Yes, and Labour did badly on this as well. So it’s more like Labour were dumb fucks so why can’t we be too? 😉
          • weka 11.2.1.1.1

            21 April 2012 at 12:12 pm

            We probably should be grateful – I think Labour’s position on overseas land ownership was one of the outstanding reasons for people to migrate to voting Greens.
    • ianmac 11.3

      21 April 2012 at 12:03 pm

      Yes I think that was Winston’s and David’s point. The sale of “prime, dairy farming land” is very different from High Country farms. (A great little Campbell Live item on Thursday by the way, on the up for sale of “Castle Hill Station” in the Hill Country Canterbury. Wonderful country.)
      • weka 11.3.1

        21 April 2012 at 12:08 pm

        “The sale of “prime, dairy farming land” is very different from High Country farms”

        In what way?
        • Logie97 11.3.1.1

          21 April 2012 at 10:06 pm

          The fast buck merchants are chasing potential dairy land.
12. captain hook 12

    21 April 2012 at 12:08 pm

    felix; too many sausage rolls has made his brain go funny!
    they keep idiots like him on tap to appeal to the prejudices of all the bigots and to smother the rest in nonsense.
    its easily done.
    out on highway 61.
    • kiwi_prometheus 12.1

      21 April 2012 at 1:49 pm

      I think I will vote that old die hard Winnie Peters next time. Was a Labour voter for awhile then migrated to Greens for the past 4 elections.

      No wonder Labour has got no traction – a new leader who looks like Keys lite – smiley middle aged middle class white guy -yawn. And the residual Helengrad elements still lurking, like the reverse racist, man hating felix types.

      I am particularly impressed with NZ First’s immigration position.
      • mickysavage 12.1.1

        21 April 2012 at 3:22 pm

        You are trolling kiwi_promethus.

        [Don’t go there mickey; the mods get to decide what is trolling or not. We have our own brew of “Lynn Prentice Capricious Slash” for piddling on real trolls…RL]
        • kiwi_prometheus 12.1.1.1

          21 April 2012 at 7:39 pm

          Hang on, felix and the like can be as obnoxious and abuse as they like -> “Warmonger, racist, and general all-round bigoted fuckwit” [ which is actually a fair enough description of the shock jock ]

          But if anyone points out the ridiculous views or behaviour of felix et al, it is “trolling”?
          • felix 12.1.1.1.1

            22 April 2012 at 6:44 am

            But you didn’t point out any of my ridiculous views, k_p, you just made up some ridiculous views and pretended they were mine.

            ps I think you’ve been around here for long enough under your various names to know exactly what you were doing and exactly what the rules are (they’re in the policy which you’ve no doubt been pointed to dozens of times).
            • Pete George 12.1.1.1.1.1

              22 April 2012 at 7:09 am

              you just made up some ridiculous views and pretended they were mine.

              I’ve often seen you do that felix. It’s a core part of your gaming.

              And you say:
              “I think you’ve been around here for long enough under your various names…”
              and
              “I think our new friend k_p is going to be fun.”
              within 17 minutes. That’s the sort of thing you might refer to like:

              This bald-faced lie, this flat denial of what you just typed in your previous comment.

              How does your breakfast taste?
              • felix …

                22 April 2012 at 7:17 am

                “New friend” was slightly sarcastic Pete.

                Hope you didn’t blow your whole wad over that one.
                • Pete George …

                  22 April 2012 at 7:23 am

                  Ok, I’ll rememember the sarcastic excuse for next time.
                  • felix …

                    22 April 2012 at 7:28 am

                    Sure, but it has to make sense. You know what sarcasm is, right?

                    I don’t want to see you embarrass yourself claiming all sorts of things are sarcastic when they’re obviously not.

                    Eggs, eh?
                    • Pete George …

                      22 April 2012 at 7:36 am

                      Yes, I do know, my last comment was slightly sarcastic.

                      And your claim of sarcasm on your contradictory statements doesn’t make sense. I know that can happen when you post off the cuff comments without giving it much thought, and not bothering reviewing your past comments thoroughly.
                    • felix …

                      22 April 2012 at 7:54 am

                      Sure. It must be easy to forget that you’ve said something over and over again for 2 years.

                      Scrambled eggs now, is it?
                • kiwi_prometheus …

                  22 April 2012 at 10:23 am

                  Your constant reference to male sexual organs and their function is fascinating.

                  Something Freudian going on there with you felix/QofT.
                  • felix …

                    22 April 2012 at 10:38 am

                    Well I assumed Pete was a male, otherwise I would’ve made a female-equivalent reference.

                    I’m sure s/he’ll correct me if I got that wrong.
            • kiwi_prometheus 12.1.1.1.1.2

              22 April 2012 at 10:19 am

              Your man hating and reverse racism is right there for everyone to see.

              You claim you have nothing to do with Labour, but your extreme views fit in nicely with a certain Labour faction. Which is why you hang around here like a bad smell.

              Why don’t you go hang out with that uber man hater QofT on her Wymin Against Phalopression site? She needs all the help she can get, she only averages 1 or 2 comments on her bitter twisted ravings and those are usually her own, lol.
              • felix …

                22 April 2012 at 10:35 am

                It’s true k_p, I’m a labour voter and I hate men. And I’m a lesbian. And I’m QoT’s lover. And we’re satanists.

                But I did already freely admit to my reverse racism so I’m not sure why you’re banging on about that. I think you might be suffering from reverse comprehension.
            • kiwi_prometheus 12.1.1.1.1.3

              22 April 2012 at 10:25 am

              My various names?

              Calm down, you are being hysterical and irrational.

              You sure come across like QofT, little Miss felix.
              • felix …

                22 April 2012 at 10:41 am

                I think we both know why that is, k_p.

                Don’t tell everyone though, it’s taken years of hard work to get the prank to this point and it’s nearly time for the big payoff.

                So shh, k? Our little secret.
                • Pete George …

                  22 April 2012 at 10:57 am

                  it’s taken years of hard work to get the prank to this point

                  The felix prank? That’s no secret.
                  • felix …

                    22 April 2012 at 12:09 pm

                    That’s funny Pete. Like you know what’s up.

                    Good one.
                    • kiwi_prometheus …

                      22 April 2012 at 1:13 pm

                      Why aren’t you over on QofT blog, she looks awfully lonely. Guess you hang out here because its the only site with a decent sized audience which will tolerate a rad fem nut job.
                    • felix …

                      22 April 2012 at 1:25 pm

                      I am over there, logged in as QoT! Doh.
              • fender …

                22 April 2012 at 1:46 pm

                Got a bit of a chip on your shoulder over QoT have you, lie down on the couch and let it all out.
                Did she cut you down sometime, or laugh at your micro flightless breeding equipment, oh diddums, go see Slater for another cuddle tosspot.
                • Vicky32 …

                  22 April 2012 at 5:18 pm

                  Did she cut you down sometime, or laugh at your micro flightless breeding equipment, oh diddums, go see Slater for another cuddle tosspot.

                  I don’t know if you’re a man or a woman, (I tend to  assume everyone here is a gay man ) but you all really are terribly obsessed with male genitalia, hey? 🙂
                  • fender …

                    23 April 2012 at 10:36 pm

                    I’ve no obsession with members no, but am rather keen on my partner and her feminine charm.
                    My attempt to show support for felix with my abuse to k_p was dumb and useless as felix can scratch back just fine without my insignificant two cents.

                    “I don’t know if you’re a man or a woman, (I tend to assume everyone here is a gay man )”
                    That is one of the most unusual things I’ve read on here, can you elaborate on that in any way?
                    • felix …

                      23 April 2012 at 10:53 pm

                      FWIW, I didn’t think it was dumb to highlight k_p’s weird fixations. And yeah, Vicky does drop some clangers, eh?
                    • fender …

                      23 April 2012 at 11:03 pm

                      Yeah that was an odd one and despite just picking up her comment and hence my late reply, I’d be keen to have her tell more about this.
            • Vicky32 12.1.1.1.1.4

              22 April 2012 at 5:14 pm

              But you didn’t point out any of my ridiculous views, k_p, you just made up some ridiculous views and pretended they were mine.

              PMSL! 😀 😀 😀
              But Felix you dear sad wee man, that’s what you do! Refer Open Mike 20.4.12…. Therefore the words Pot. Kettle. Black. spring to mind.
              • felix …

                23 April 2012 at 7:10 am

                You mean that thing about how you said you reckoned only 2 of the regulars here had kids, and I suggested you were speaking in tongues? ‘Cos, like, it was a ridiculous thing to say?

                Sorry, was I supposed to take that seriously?
        • mickysavage 12.1.1.2

          22 April 2012 at 12:20 am

          Sorry RL but he posted the same thing twice.
          • kiwi_prometheus 12.1.1.2.1

            22 April 2012 at 12:49 am

            That’s because I posted the first one in the wrong column and when I hit the delete button all I got was a -1 which I presume is an output break for debugging. So I went ahead and posted it further down anyway.
13. joe90 13

    21 April 2012 at 2:30 pm

    Perhaps China will show us the way forward.

    “The carbon-fuelled, capital-driven model of economic growth, which started in my country 200-odd years ago, has spread across the planet and is now, I believe, reaching its apex here in China.”

    http://www.chinadialogue.net/article/show/single/en/4876–The-world-s-most-important-story
14. alex 14

    21 April 2012 at 4:26 pm

    Breaking news, Banksie has announced that New Zealand has recently taken a major turn to the left. Did anyone else notice, or was I the only one that missed it? http://afinetale.blogspot.co.nz/2012/04/which-country-has-taken-major-turn-to.html
    • Carol 14.1

      21 April 2012 at 7:08 pm

      Yes, I thought it was a strange comment.

      http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/6785559/ACT-party-set-sights-on-2014-election

      The party’s Epsom MP today warned supporters that ”New Zealand has taken a major turn to the left.’

      [..]
      ”The people of New Zealand have elected a parliament in the majority that is to the left of what our Australian cousins called socialists…without ACT we are staring in the face of two decades of Labour, the Greens and [NZ First leader] Winston [Peters].”

      This, the same day many righties are claiming a rise in National’s support as in the latest Roy Morgan poll.

      And, funny, but I thought the 2011 election was claimed by some as a landslide victory for National!

      http://nz.news.yahoo.com/opinion/post/-/blog/news_makers/post/75/comment/

      In November, New Zealanders went to the polling booth to elect a new Parliament. John Key and the National came out victorious as Phil Goff led the Labour Party to an all-time low party vote. National made a landslide victory despite it being one of the lowest voter turnout since women were given the right to vote.

      John Banks…. the guy who slammed casinos in 1997, and is supportive of them today:

      http://www.3news.co.nz/John-Banks-relaxes-views-on-casino-industry/tabid/1607/articleID/251304/Default.aspx

      In the past, John Banks has opposed increasing gambling opportunities in New Zealand

      “They’re wideboys, they’re flashboys, they’re big boys and they can take it,” he said in 1997. “Because the little people of this country have been sucked, hung, drawn, quartered, bled by these people in these casinos.”

      Read more: http://www.3news.co.nz/John-Banks-relaxes-views-on-casino-industry/tabid/1607/articleID/251304/Default.aspx#ixzz1sekp7WEd

      Must be a strange landscape of scrambled and shifting views inside JB’s head!
      • Anne 14.1.1

        21 April 2012 at 7:48 pm

        The interior of Banksie’s head is one large scrambled egg. What did the Actoids think of his speech I wonder. While they may be ideologically obsessed with free market logic, not all of them are mad or even idiots.
        • felix 14.1.1.1

          21 April 2012 at 9:18 pm

          “not all of them are mad or even idiots.”

          [citation needed]
          • Anne 14.1.1.1.1

            21 April 2012 at 9:56 pm

            Umm..aahh… eek.. well, I knew one or two once who seemed reasonably sane. Mind you, it was a long time ago.
15. bad12 15

    21 April 2012 at 6:04 pm

    Maurice Williamson,the latest from within the National Government to stick the leader ‘Slippery’ one with a sharp object, exposing Slippery and His shady dealings with SkyCity for all to see and at the same time getting a spot of utu for previous slights…
16. Draco T Bastard 16

    21 April 2012 at 9:07 pm

    Oh dear

    Judge O’Grady raised the prospect of there being no trial while hearing arguments over FBI applications to wipe Megaupload’s vast database of members’ files.

    He said further study needed to be made of the failure to serve Megaupload, adding; “I frankly don’t know that we are ever going to have a trial in this matter.”

    and from the defense:-

    Dotcom’s US-based lawyer, Ira Rothken, said it was the defence’s understanding that it was not legally possible for Megaupload to be served with papers accusing it of criminal acts.

    He said it would be possible to serve the company with papers for a civil case and – as happened in NZ – for individuals to be remotely charged with crimes.

    “My understanding as to why they haven’t done that is because they can’t. We don’t believe Megaupload can be served in a criminal matter because it is not located within the jurisdiction of the United States.”

    I suppose we’re going to have to start calling this the Mega Ballsup Case.
    • Colonial Viper 16.1

      21 April 2012 at 9:12 pm

      The NZ police co-operated with and used our resources to assist this US corporatised bullshit. Bad judgement all round.
17. starboard 17

    22 April 2012 at 6:43 am

    ..what a toilet this site has become. No wonder I dont visit here. Yuk.
    • locus 17.1

      22 April 2012 at 6:58 am

      Well you did visit, and given your comment i guess you were looking for some intelligent well researched opinions. There are plenty of these on The Standard as well as the kind you obviously don’t like. No reason to run away – unless you just came here just to make a negative judgemental comment. If you’re genuinely interested in challenging and debating left wing politics and ideas then i’d strongly encourage you to stay and get involved
    • Vicky32 17.2

      22 April 2012 at 5:21 pm

      what a toilet this site has become.

      +1 as they say!

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