I may have missed someone else posting this reference, but it is very powerful and moving stuff. Similar results to NZ banks and the swaps fiasco.
I understand David Pascoe is an equine vet who writes a regular blog.
I suspect that Nationals new policy around education, specifically “Community of Schools” is National’s very cunning way of closing schools by stealth.
Speaking of Kereru…looks like Sonny Tau now has an out. He was merely picking up and deliverying the birds for a Government Minister who has acquired a taste.
Speaking of Radio New Zealand…..someone seems to have taken the edge off the morning presenters.
Much less of the incisive, insistent interviews (with our household cheering them on) and more of a ‘wee chat’ approach. ( Although Mr. Little did get a grilling….funny that.)
@ mickysavage – Yes I noticed that one too, just before the 7am news bulletin this morning. The call of the Kereru. Irony or what? Rubbing it in to NatzKEY perhaps?
But the Dame (Turia) says it’s OK for elders to eat the bird for special occasions! OK to break one’s own cultural rules then is it Ms Turia?
An Open Letter to Britain’s Leading Violent Extremist: David Cameron
July 20, 2015
This open letter to the Prime Minister is published by INSURGE INTELLIGENCE, a new crowd-funded investigative journalism project.
Dear Prime Minister David Cameron,
It is with deep disappointment that I read excerpts of your speech provided by Downing Street to the press, purporting to set out a five-year strategy to tackle fundamentalist terrorism, which — whatever its intentions — is thoroughly misguided, and destined to plunge this country, as well as the Middle East, into further chaos and misery.
I am writing this open letter to request you, as a matter of urgency, to abide by your obligations as a human being, a British citizen, a Member of Parliament, and as our Prime Minister: to undertake proper due-diligence in the formulation of Britain’s foreign, counter-terrorism and security policies, based on the vast array of evidence from scientific and academic studies of foreign policy, terrorism and radicalisation, rather than the influence of far-right extremist ideology, and of narrow vested interest groups keen to profit from war and fear.
…..
Your war, Prime Minister, is a farce.
You, more than any other British citizen, are complicit in the rise of ISIS, and the radicalisation of a minority of Britons. You have helped create the militant groups which, you rightly acknowledge, are murdering not just Westerners, but Muslims in Iraq, Syria and beyond.
The only people that will benefit from all this are giant defence contractors, many of which are closely connected to your party, and which hold overbearing counter-democratic influence on your foreign policy.
Oh no. Who was it here yesterday that said: “The worst PR advice there is, is to try to dig yourself out of a hole with your mouth.”
Over on Phil Quin’s blog, the president of the Labour Party has sent an email reply to Quin’s resignation letter that says he’d target Singaporeans, and Germans too, if he had to. With all their digging, I think Labour just burrowed their way out the other side of the Earth – without reaching China first.
New headlines: “Labour Would Target Germans.”
Advice for Labour: Before you say anything else, or develop any more policy or media releases or speeches, have a read of the Human Rights Act and the Bill of Rights Act and if anything in your rhetoric can’t get through those existing legal filters/guidelines, don’t say it, don’t do it, just stop and think about it for a bit.
I knew it! What Labour are really doing is digging a hole to the other side of the world so that the Chinese have better and more direct access! We’ve been fooled (and not for the first time).
So trawling through surnames and assigning a country of origin or ethnicity to people on the basis of those names is all about (to quote the Labour Party President) “consider(ing) the potential impact of those assets and investment on New Zealand housing ownership, or, indeed, on other aspects of our economy”
I can’t for the life of me see the connection between finger pointing and analysis, but hey.
Oh. And there is no need to look at any other overseas investment because the other overseas investment isn’t the dominant overseas investment.
In searching for that particular blog post, I read some others and I have to say, that in spite of Quin’s reputation of being perhaps a bit of a fuckwit on a number of issues, on this one he’s absolutely bang on the money.
edit: I should add that if Labour were claiming they’d name trawled to get some idea of the wider picture, as in attempting to get some idea, no matter how rough, of the extent of broader overseas investment, then at a stretch…maybe. But to categorically rule out any and all other sources of overseas investment as being problematic…wow.
And this is the same Labour Party which sold off shit loads of NZ stuff to foreign investors – Australians and Americans – or watched it happen without proposing to ban foreign ownership of our power companies, or our telecom companies.
It’s possible that they’ve finally learned that they’ve been wrong for the last thirty years and are now starting to look to undo the damage that they’ve done over that time.
Just to save others getting to the actual content of Haworths letter
here it is copied from Quins site.
. Anyway, Nigel Haworth, the party’s president, wrote to me. This is the crux of his argument:
To refer to Chinese purchasers in such an analysis is not racist. Given, as others have also pointed out, that China is today engaged in massive international investment, much of it strategic, and is also the home of vast, and increasingly mobile, cash assets, it is right and proper for New Zealand to consider the potential impact of those assets and investment on New Zealand housing ownership, or, indeed, on other aspects of our economy. If it were Singaporean. or German or other investment that seemed to be dominant, it would be equally proper to name its source economy (for example, much as has been done since the Second World War in relation to US investment flows).
I give big ups to the doorman in this article who withstood abuse of a very nasty kind and still managed to retain his mana and dignity.
It shows the male Ministry of Social Development employee saying “f***ing n*****s” and claiming the decision to deny him and his colleague entry is “racist”. In the video, Mr Tai-Rakena told a woman: “You’re not coming in here girl, you’re too intoxicated. Away you go.”
the doorman and his workmates managed to stay very calm and measured during a vile tirade of abuse
Well, one of the skills of that job is to realise that the dickheads don’t particularly mean what they say. 99% of that Swayze film Roadhouse was bullshit, but this little exchange was spot on:
Steve: Being called a cocksucker isn’t personal?
Dalton: No. It’s two nouns combined to elicit a prescribed response.
I generally found it boring more than anything else. Although one funny thing is that after the initial refusal of entry they’d call me all sorts of stuff, and 30s later they were going “aww mate, do us a favour”. They almost never got it the right way around. But usually I’d just sort of tune it out (beyond listening for relevant information) and really only look for a pre-assault indicator. Which almost never happened compared to the amount of verbal thrown.
That’s awful stuff, marty. I certainly agree that racism isn’t well understood by some people (the last ten days have shown that all too well). The reflex reaction to call anything racist without looking at the underlying issues or context is probably a modern malaise. It’s PC gone mad etc.
I’d also wonder if the male in the video is affected not just by alcohol, but by the sense of power and authority he gets from being a paid benefit bouncer for WINZ. When you spend your days licensed to show contempt for people, that can definitely affect your thinking after hours as well.
So what you are sayig is that because you found something way more blatently racist that makes the Chinese data OK?
I am not saying what Labour did was racist but the people it targeted seem to feel that way. Intent means a lot. However there are a lot of people who truely belive they are not racist. They just don’t understand that their actions and words paint a different picture.
The data is OK because the data is OK. As marty’s example shows, some people think just about any situation is an opportunity to go OTT. Good point about intent, btw.
And Keith Ng is completely and utterly wrong on the data. You couldn’t get better data.
The point was that it is the BEST data that is currently available because it is the only data that indicates where the money for residential properties is coming from. Therefore there is no better data.
The only other statistical data around just shows that the money for the higher total values of property sales isn’t coming from banks. It could be coming from socks as far as we can currently tell.
Keith Ng is talking crap – unless he can show a source of data that allows a similar type of analysis about money sources for purchasing residential properties.
At the earliest that won’t apparently happen until October, which will probably be catastrophic for our economy. By the sounds of Nationals posturing any data and analysis from that will not be public.
The point was that it is the BEST data that is currently available because it is the only data that indicates where the money for residential properties is coming from. Therefore there is no better data.
How exactly does the name list identify whereabouts money is coming from – onshore or offshore? From residents or from non-residents? As far as I can see, it does no such thing.
Keith Ng is talking crap – unless he can show a source of data that allows a similar type of analysis about money sources for purchasing residential properties.
How on earth can you attack his critique of the name list data based on whether or not Keith can access other sets of data? How would hypothetical access to other sets of data be relevant to Keith’s critique of the name list data?
And Keith Ng is completely and utterly wrong on the data. You couldn’t get better data.
How can you tell if the name list data covering just 3 months is representative of the proceeding 24 or 36 months? Perhaps the snapshot over-represents activity by people with Chinese sounding names. Perhaps it under-represents activity by people with Chinese sounding names.
How exactly does the name list identify whereabouts money is coming from – onshore or offshore? From residents or from non-residents? As far as I can see, it does no such thing.
Indeed it doesn’t.
It merely illustrates that if both the real estate data and the names-ethnicity data reflect the same domestic population, then a single subgroup of that population that is significantly less well off than the population median and is otherwise statistically unremarkable also appears to purchase houses at something like six times the rate of any other subgroup, the disparity accounting for something like a third of the real estate dataset. Even if that accounted for 100% of the market activity of that subgroup, the disparity is around threefold.
Given global economic conditions compared to local economic conditions, the represented disparity at the very least least strongly indicates that we should be measuring overseas property ownership to rule out whether sovereignty issues could become a problem in the moderate to near future.
The word is statistically. The whole point about statistics is that it is a branch of maths for dealing rigorously with error.
Keith keeps pointing to error. He knows that error in itself is damn well measurable. So far he hasn’t pointed to any error that wasn’t pointed out and dealt with in the analysis from Labour, presumably from Ron Salmond. Sure it isn’t physics, but what is these days? Physics is mostly stats now.
How on earth can you attack his critique of the name list data based on whether or not Keith can access other sets of data?
I didn’t. What I asked was where he knew of any better data. I am pretty confident that at present there isn’t anything better at elucidating or debunking the property purchase issues that Labour pointed out. If someone wants to be critical about data then they need to present something to back their criticisms.
The ONLY way you can be as absolutely sure of error as Keith is being is if he had a better data set. Where is it? The lack of it means that his attacks on the error in this data is in my mind (to put it mildly) complete crap.
Sure the data isn’t the best. It covers a mere 3 months covering 45% of the sales from the largest real estate company in Auckland. But the risks of poor data are measurable. There is no way that you can look at a sample size of 45% and think at a statistically or a business level that it is likely to have the kinds of crappy confidence levels that Keith has been trying to suggest.
B&T have been the largest real estate company across the whole of Auckland for my adult life. And I spent my life dealing with private industries in both local and vertical international markets.
Large local companies damn well don’t get to be the largest in any local market by being a specialist as Keith appears to have been suggesting they could be. It is extremely unlikely that for those 3 months Barfoot and Thompson fundamentally changed their business of the 35 years that I have been aware of them. They cover everything….
It it’d been Ray White or Crockers who do specialise more, then there might have been some validity in that argument. But the lower percentages of the total sales would have been more of a problem.
It is highly likely that the data extracted from B&T represents those 3 months of real estate sales in Auckland pretty well because it was 45% of the sales of Auckland from the realtor that is literally everywhere across our local market.
And I don’t know of any reason why those three months were different. I have been keeping track of Auckland real estate since 2012, including during those three months. We knew when we moved back into my apartment, that we’d want a bigger place eventually. So we keep looking to see what is there, through agents, trademe, and turning up at open homes and sites.
Nothing much has changed in the local market since mid 2012 where I look. The supply has gotten slightly better, prices have risen at a pretty steady 25% pa, there appear to be no signs of it changing that every moderately affordable apartment is being built for yuppie flatmates and renting out, and the number of places getting sold cheaply because of leaky home damage has been steadily diminishing. I’d be interested if anyone could point to anything that says things have changed in Auckland, because I haven’t seen anything that says it has.
You’d need real data rather than the frigging barrister style arguments in your comment to convince me that this data is different to the reality. I see it every third weekend. That kind of bullshit arguments is something that you use for politicians and the credulous rather than engineers.
On the other side, I have used these kinds of lists of names for doing canvassing. I have used them for targeting and prediction. Being a rather paranoid programmer, I analyse validity of anything that I use as a matter of course. With this kind of info, both from thousands of direct tests of data and indirectly via stats. I did so for the every set of the data, including name data for local Labour. I’d bet that some of Salmond’s name data derives from that. And being of a practical bent, I’m far less inclined to trust pure stats that Salmond is…
Like many other factors, names are not particularly useful for predicting individuals. You need a multiplicity of factors overlapping an individual and some history to get that to moderately high levels. But they are extremely accurate for correlations between sets in a population.
They are certainly good enough for doing reasonably accurate statistical estimates. Especially when you are merely looking for large differences between two population groups as Rob Salmond did. Unless people were busily deliberately lying to their realtor – (which seems quite unlikely – and indicates a different problem if it did), there is a massive difference visible between two populations.
Now I have no particular stake in this as I haven’t touched any canvassing systems for quite some time, and to be frank I really don’t have the damn time. But some of the complete drivel from intelligent people over the last week is just pissing me off.
Keith is one of those. I have read what he has written on this subject, and he hasn’t managed to convince me that he knows what he talking about here. It looks more like wishful thinking.
Sure I’d like to see better data. But at present and until at least October (unless the realtors release some information voluntarily) this is what we have.
To me it looks like Auckland and the rest of NZ has a bloody urgent economic problem, and one that I didn’t suspect was quite so severe until Labour released this (and I’d had time to think it over).
That is because I suspect that the overflows from the Asian markets are just the largest part of the foreign investment seeking large returns in the local property bubble. By an accident of history, it just happens to be the bit that is most easily analysed against the local population.
My back of the envelope calcs seem to indicate that if we do have that size of speculative bubble with so many from offshore trying not to be the last holding the hot potato, when it does crunch, there is going to be a whole lot of working cash ripped from the local economy fast as turnover plummet hard. I think that will be worse than anything I have ever seen.
Perhaps Keith should turn his usually excellent mind towards that issue.
Pluto is made of cheese. If you think this is wrong, you are obliged to provide better data. Otherwise, “Pluto is made of cheese” is the best data available, therefore is must be true.
Your logic is bad. Not having a substitute does not make the “next best alternative” true or meaningful.
But better data has long since been provided for Pluto’s surface and probable inner structures since Clyde Tombaugh located it in the 1930s. But I don’t think that even children thought it was ever made of cheese. Perhaps you are thinking about the moon?
This data from Barfoot and Thompson and analysed by Labour looks to me like it is statistically valid. I’ve done this particular kind of analysis before in several areas. It is likely to have a error rate of less than 10%. It is a 3 month slice of previously opaque behaviour. Sure it’d be nice to have more data to fine tune the confidence.
But I’ll take market hints from anything that solid when the alternative is anecdote, unsubstantiated theory or supposition.
What it shows is that we appear to have a self-referential property bubble in Auckland with overseas money playing ponzi games of hot potato.
It is probably happening far wider than what can be conservatively statistically inferred for this data. For instance, I can’t think of a reason why Europeans wouldn’t be involved via property companies. It’d suit their kind of portfolio attitudes to markets. I can’t see the US citizens getting into it too much. They have enough growing economic areas to invest in at present.
When someone gets burnt as the music stops, those holding from offshore will be left with the costs. But it’d likely to be relatively low risk as they just hold until they can exit without major loss. But they are just playing the odds of really low returns at low risks against high returns at higher risks. This one is for them medium risks for high returns. Property in rapidly growing cities holds value.
In the case of local purchasers who have to live where they work, they will probably catch the potato when local interest rates rise even a bit, or they have a employment problem, or the value of the property drops below the mortgage level. They are likely doing it with a excessive mortgage that leaves bugger all room for risk and relies on too much luck.
But the abrupt stop in incoming investment flows will also hit a lot further out into jobs (especially casual and part-time retail, distribution, and services) when people start pulling back on spending as they feel poorer. Expect all of those recent real estate people flooding back into the job market along with their baristas, nannies, car-groomers and the like.
The sooner it gets stopped or controlled (like all ponzi schemes), the less damage it causes here.
But try to ignore the data because of an ideological point? That simply isn’t going to happen. It is real data. It will be factored all of the way through the local market by now.
For instance it tells me there really isn’t any point for me to keep looking around for a larger apartment for the moment. The prices don’t reflect shortage so much as offshore speculation, so there is more than likely going to be a good bust. I already have a place. I can wait for it.
If you want to be a petulant child playing wave the cheese games like you have been doing for the last week – then go ahead. It really doesn’t add anything useful to dealing with the real issue of this hot potato and stopping the next one anyway….
The data is okay? How many ‘Lees’ were assigned as Chinese? How many of those were deemed to be resident?
The data collection was a bit like gathering information on random green stuff that grew out the ground and taking a punt on how much of that green stuff was grass. (Sure, they put in some parameters that filtered out trees…maybe bushes too.)
40% of them, according to Rob’s detailed post explaining his methodology where he acknowledged that Lee is also a very common European surname.
“How many of those were deemed to be resident?”
That conclusion was not drawn. The only conclusion they reached is that 9% of Auckland appear to be ethnic Chinese based on the census, and from their analysis 40% of the house buyers from a agency covering 45% of sales in a 3 month period appeared to be ethnic Chinese.
The most likely explanation for the significant (4x) difference in the proportions is that non-resident ethnic Chinese are buying houses in Auckland.
But that is not a conclusion, only the most likely explanation from the analysis of the available data. Other explanations are possible, and many of them will contribute to some of the discrepancy more than others (for example, maybe it was just that time of year, there are more new Chinese immigrants than other ethnicities, Chinese may prefer this real estate company over others, etc).
What it comes down to is whether the Labour Party wanted to highlight and focus on money specifically coming from China, or whether they have a genuine concern on overseas money and were just stupidly using rough ‘Chinese related’ data to get an indication of the larger picture while unbelievably ignoring hard data that was available.
Yes, it would be part of the picture, I did say “etc” in my list of examples.
It is perhaps the biggest one factor. But there’s not much to back up that as a theory either – why should Chinese be so much more into housing investment than other ethnicities? Rob’s data shows that they make up 5% of those on incomes over $50,000, in other words they make up a smaller share of high-income earners than their overall makeup (9%) would suggest.
the saps between 50 – 100k? labours target vote market being denigrated for not earning enough to be truly loathed but earning to much to be considered “true” working class. arsehole
Rob also did more analysis to arrive at the hypothesis that foreign chinese buyers accounted for the difference in apparent buyers and apparent residents. He did also look at ethnic Indian last names and noted that there was only a 3% (ish) difference in apparent purchase and apparent resident proportions (9% oh buyers vs 6% of population.) Rob Salmond’s analysis was better than the one put forward by Labour and he made the point better that there was no real data and so surnames were the only proxy they had to actual data.
I initially read it the way you did, but what I think You Fool means is that Rob actually had a comprehensive analysis, and Labour didn’t publish the whole thing, and chose instead to focus on aspects of it.
For example, on The Nation, Twyford never mentioned the comparative Indian name analysis that Rob did.
Trying to keep it simple I imagine. We’re always complaining Labour make policies/issues too complicated for the average voter. And that includes some media reporters like the (knee) jerk, Patrick Gower.
One of the things that you find out when you are around a film maker, obvious in retrospect, is that the story line for an onscreen feature length film should be about the length of a short short story if it has a lot of dialogue in it.
It’d have to be shortened of course because otherwise it will look like characters are gibbering idiots.
The amount of information you can push across in film is far greater than you can write in words. But less than most novelists has in a single chapter.
Same problem with something like The Nation. You read a transcript and they are shorter than some of my posts 🙂 And someone being interviewed gets something like a tenth of that if they are extremely lucky.
I got a lot less interested in TV news / current affairs once I realised that. Sure I can read body language. But it involves spending a lot of time waiting for it. Or I can read what people write.
Getting Twyford to explain the other tests that would have been done on the data would have meant that he wasn’t able to explain what they found that was so interesting 😈
I suspect that it wasn’t even so much as 40% of individuals being “labelled”, more as ethnicities being given a final score based on weightings of the names, i.e. an index like CPI rather than an outright count. And then the indices were scaled to cumulatively add up to 100, and there’s your “percentage”.
That’s how I’d consider doing it at first blush, anyway.
Thanks L , simple for you, but not for some of the others that are commenting in the MSM & here on TS sadly, or are they just trying to keep the muddy waters stirred?
How many ‘Lees’ were assigned as Chinese? How many of those were deemed to be resident?
Oh FFS. Maybe some revision on basic statistics is required.
None of them were “assigned” as individual people or a family. That appears to be your fundamental misunderstanding, deliberate or otherwise.
As a group with the family name “Lee” each data record would given a probability of being Chinese, a probability of being Korean, a probability of being European, and probably probabilities for several other categories as well – including something like “we have no idea”. So was every other unique family name.
There is a relatively constrained set of family names used in any country including NZ by cultural group, and the data is “conservative” as the name generally travels through many generations. This kind of data is usually tested by getting people from each culture picking out the more common names in their culture and then tested by getting people to self-identify to get the probabilities.
As an analytical technique it is pretty accurate. >90% and usually >95% for many cultural groups even in a society that mixes as much as ours does over a century.
Sure there is inaccuracy in it.
However it doesn’t apply tags to individuals in the way that you seem to think it does. What this kind of analysis looking for is statistical groups rather than trying to pick out individuals. It is exactly the same kind of analysis what the stats department does with the 5 year censuses and the monthly or quarterly data that goes out across the country. They break it down into statistical groups all over the place,.
That was applied to the set of data of property sales to get a set of probabilities for possible correlations for the whole data set.
To one degree or another, that is how statistics, all parts of physical sciences, and most parts of the social sciences operate where there are big enough data sets. They don’t concern themselves with individual bits of data. They concern themselves with probabilities and correlations.
The whole point about statistics is that you don’t have to sample whole populations to get accurate results. You can sample smaller samples to get close to the results of the fully accurate whole population. Samples can be quite small compared to large populations. That is the basis of most polling, which is usually accurate within a few percent of the population result (of course these days a few percent either way in an election is usually the difference – but that is because parties balance around that point).
That is all straight forward and the analysis of the correlations is rigorous enough in the absence of any better data and the difference in size between the correlations.
The next stage is to look for causation for high probability correlations.
Labour have pointed out the obvious causation for the huge difference between the percentages of family name segments of the population as a whole and those buying houses during this period. That is what you an many others appear to be having an issue with.
So far I haven’t seen any alternate explanations that make any sense apart from imported overseas investment money. The money isn’t getting borrowed from local banks. It appears to be large enough to drive the kinds of crazy 25+% per annum house price increases that we have seen since 2011.
What it seems to identify compared to previous economic research as recent as 2013 is that we are rapidly hitting the point where Auckland house prices are largely caused by overseas investment money buying property from other overseas investors.
At about 40% it is freaking high, but even worse is that it appears to be rising rapidly. That it has nothing to do with the real economic value of the land or properties themselves to our economy. That means that it will therefore almost certainly cause a nasty economic crash that will reverberate throughout the rest of NZ. Bearing in mind our current fragile economic state, that is something worth actually worrying about, and one that bears considerable real-world consequences.
You notice that what Labour actually asked for was to get some immediate data collection and analysis going on in the area of foreign investment in property? Seems rather mild compared to what I think is actually needed.
Probably because we have people worrying about how statistics data is collected and analysed for reasons that seem to owe more to the thoughts of Lysenko than anything vaguely rational.
Just looks like a whole pile of avoidance behaviour to me. Probably with the kinds of downstream consequences of that exercise of group thinking.
Labour have pointed out the obvious causation for the huge difference between the percentages of family name segments of the population as a whole and those buying houses during this period. That is what you an many others appear to be having an issue with.
No Lynn. That’s not what I have a problem with. They could have harvested data and tried to draw inferences from it. No problem. But to then stand up and point to a single ethnic group as being responsible for people being unable to buy houses, yeah…that’s where the problem comes up.
They could have done their wee exercise with ‘Chinese sounding’ surnames – flawed or unflawed as it may be – and announced that there was a foundation to assume that overseas money was causing problems. But they didn’t. They dog-whistled on an easily (mis) identifiable ethnic minority.
For Christ’s sake look at the history for Chinese living in NZ! It ain’t flash. And acknowledge that Asians ain’t high on the list of people that Pakeha feel well disposed towards. Throw in a major political party giving people reason to further resent an already fairly maligned part of NZ society and reflect to yourself on how good an idea that might be.
They could have made some general statement about overseas money and subsequently broken it down and pointed to the preponderance of money seemingly coming in from China. But they didn’t.
And to cap it all, we’re now hearing that Labour don’t actually give a toss about overseas money, but just that overseas money that’s originating in China. It’s fucked.
edit – you do not ever dress up an economic problem in ethnic garb – never.
I agree that there may have been better ways of handling it. Damned if I think what they would have been…
Imagine that they did it exactly how you suggest…
…and announced that there was a foundation to assume that overseas money was causing problems.
And then I’d imagine that Keith Ng and I would have been on exactly the same side of this debate – asking what in the hell the basis of that foundation because they hadn’t published any details. An analysis without any clear and transparent basis is just idiotic propaganda. Something that only fools would believe.
At best we’d have ignored it. At worst, I and most of the online commentators would have been tearing (metaphorically) a Labour spokesperson’s head off for extreme stupidity and getting between the left and an election victory.
They could have made some general statement about overseas money and subsequently broken it down and pointed to the preponderance of money seemingly coming in from China.
Staging it would have had exactly the same result as now. For the reason outlined above, the pressure to say why would have appalling. After the reason forced out of Labour, I’d have been tearing….. For that matter so would have you for a variety of reasons.
For Christ’s sake look at the history for Chinese living in NZ! It ain’t flash….
I agree with all of that. But they’d get hit just as hard as anyone else with the consequences of a bursting real estate bubble of the size of what appears to be inflating.
The *only* choices that I can see for Labour would have been to not publish at all. In which case I’d ask what bloody use are they as an opposition to this pack of economic fuckwits in government, or to publish explaining what they’d found.
They took the responsible latter course. Because we damn well need to know about this issue. I had no idea that we were getting into the investor tail-biting stage this damn far in Auckland. It *could* be a blip. But that seems damn unlikely.
And to cap it all, we’re now hearing that Labour don’t actually give a toss about overseas money, but just that overseas money that’s originating in China.
Where is that? Haven’t seen anything about it yet.
An analysis without any clear and transparent basis is just idiotic propaganda. Something that only fools would believe.
QFT
It’s what I’ve been thinking since the get go. Labour had to publish the results else anything that they said on the matter would have been written off as BS.
Unfortunately, the people who’ve been indoctrinated into Identity Politics immediately jumped on it as racist and won’t let that go no matter how much you show that it had nothing to do with racism. It was, and is, merely data and an analysis of that data showing trends that we need to do something about.
I called her bitch. She said I was being misogynistic. I pointed out to her that what I said had nothing to do with misogyny but she, daft bint, wouldn’t let it go.
On the rest of it, as I linked to last night and again this morning, (again in this comment) David Hood had already done work that would appear to show a flood of foreign money coming in. Labour could have used that and other available data.
As for what they (Labour) did do and their framing, there’s a fuck of a difference between saying “There’s foreign money skewing the market…and by the way,as expected given the current configuration of global capital, a lot of it appears to be coming in from China.” and “There’s a lot of Chinese money skewing the market.”
The former makes a statement and, handled appropriately, would only offer somewhat neutral, further detail. The latter is a dog-whistle in that it encourages peoples’ already existing prejudices.
Note: the italics is a late edit. Point is, the ethnic angle could have been neutralised instead of being played on.
On the rest of it, as I linked to last night and again this morning, (again in this comment) David Hood had already done work that would appear to show a flood of foreign money coming in. Labour could have used that and other available data.
And it was what I referred to. They did point out exactly those same facts over and over and over again. Macro-economic data is pretty useless at pinpointing where money is coming from.
It is an money based economic analysis that showed relatively small amounts that are indistinguishable from people actually owning their own properties, shifting money from other investments, or pulling it out of socks in NZ.
It is an economic analysis. About half of the measures I have ever looked at over time for those have flaws of data collection and rarely survive for more than 15 years without and abrupt judder in what data is collected.
Quite simply moneys biggest asset is that it is portable. It moves between investments. It does it without a lot of trace.
Besides, have you actually read what David Hood actually said. He has the effect of that type of information nailed.
Then they go “yes, it is a mystery”, or rather most of the time “I don’t understand”. At which point you can’t actually say much more as there is no positive evidence of where the mystery money is coming from*, only negative evidence from inside NZ for where it isn’t. And the conversation dies as too abstract.
Indeed… I can testify to that.
Then people say “yes, but Ireland was different” so you get the figures for the United States as well, and find that U.S. debt again increased with house prices as local people were buying the houses.
Just read the mind-bending contortions of that numerical apologist David Farrar over many years and go Indeed….
At which point those few people still with you go “It is strange isn’t it, huh” at which point, because it is clear that the argument is way to technical to get any traction and you have satisfied your own curiosity about the matter, you get on with your own life.
Or in the case of a blog like this, you stop writing about topics that have ever diminishing numbers of people reading and commenting on because they clearly have (like me) gotten tired of pointing out the obvious. Which is why David Hood’s last graph ends at Q2 2013, and I haven’t written posts explaining basics of climate change in years.
Which is what those types of calculations go on all of the time, but really only cross the minds of a few people playing with lots of money.
However if you can pretty conclusively say that for 3 months that 3 out of 10 houses brought in Auckland were sold to foreign owners, you will get wide attention. It will mostly be of the type that says “how do you know”. And you have to explain because otherwise it will change to “lying politicians”. And then… Well
Ok I have already explained that. Quite simply you cannot treat people as being daft living polps who will accept what a politician says. We are way too well-educated to believe them. You have to explain EXACTLY how you analysed it.
Which is what David Hood is pointing out. If the path between what people observe themselves and where the data is collected, then it has an impact. If you have to give them a university education in economics then it is not.
Should be pretty obvious. And this is something that authors on this site has been pointing out since 2007 in the tail of the last rises, and at the start of this one on 2010 and since.
Why not make the story about overseas ownership of land in general throughout NZ, then they could have talked about multiple nationalities? Part 2, highlight the areas needing urgent action (eg Auckland).
My take is that Labour don’t see overseas ownership as a problem until it becomes an economic one. It doesn’t matter if NZers can’t afford houses, until there is a housing crisis. I’m not being stupid there. If overseas money was providing enough rental properties in Auckland so that everyone had somewhere affordable to live, would Labour care about who owns what?
Why not make the story about overseas ownership of land in general throughout NZ, then they could have talked about multiple nationalities?
Did you actually read what Lynn(sp?) said? Specifically:
And then I’d imagine that Keith Ng and I would have been on exactly the same side of this debate – asking what in the hell the basis of that foundation because they hadn’t published any details. An analysis without any clear and transparent basis is just idiotic propaganda. Something that only fools would believe.
In answer to your first para, I’m pretty well convinced by now that they didn’t do that because some really fucking turned on types reckoned they had a bit of a draw card on the voting front with the ethnic angle.
Thankfully, it seems to have fallen flat. And now Labour get to reap the fruits of this shit they’ve sown. I suspect that the Greens going up by 3% is only a beginning. Labour’s going to bleed in all directions over the medium to long term.
weka: I couldn’t even estimate to the nearest hundred how many posts we have done on the subject of the risks of overseas ownership and investment over the years. The majority were probably triggered from something that Labour raised, some from the greens, and some from NZF.
You have to remember that generally I agree with overseas investment in NZ. Just as I do with having immigration or trade agreements. I usually disagree with the posts (except on the FTTA – I don’t like restraint of trade or that level of secrecy).
But too much of anything is an issue. Too much immigration in a hit (like too little) causes all kinds of problems. I always remember helping out with some of the code for estimating school classroom needs in the next decade and seeing what the immigration demographic changes did to the models.
It is the volume of foreign investment that is an issue.
The economy gets “used” to it. But that kind of money literally has the whole world to move to. The problem will happen when its flow just stops one day.
Think of it as a large supply of free icecream that we didn’t know about (we thought they were just getting the odd sweets) and the Auckland local market as a kid ecstatically living off it. Then one day it just stops. The pain is going to be huge here because it will take it quite some time to live on carrots again.
For Auckland and the rest of NZ, it is likely to be worse than the effects on us of the GFC.
Coming back at this just so I am sure I’m getting you right. Labour were responsible in doing what they have done, in spite of all the associated negatives? Ends justify the means then? I can’t agree with that approach, but hey.
All ethnicities are going to be hit by a housing bubble bursting, so singling out Chinese in the meantime is okay – collateral damage?
Well, I’ll be riveted to Labour’s proposals for average to low earners and renters. See, none of those people (Chinese Kiwi or otherwise) will be hit negatively by a bursting bubble. And for those richer types who will have to view their house (or one of their houses) as a home, well…
There were around 4000 sales on the list, yes? Now, I know this would require a bit of time and effort, but over a few weeks couldn’t those 4000 names could have checked off against the electoral roll?
Then Labour could have said that, allowing for non-enrollment percentages, x% of sales in Auckland over the period were seemingly not purchases by NZ residents or citizens.
No singling out of any ethnicity. No dog-whistle. A clear demarcation set between domestic and foreign buyers.
It is a major issue for our economy, and in particular for people on low incomes because the first thing that happens when a property bubble stops is that the retail jobs in shops, distribution and manufacturing disappear like smoke. When people feel like they are poorer, they stop spending immediately.
The bigger the bubble gets before it gets pricked, the harder the over-reaction in the subsequent recession is. Think 1987 crash for instance. The cranes went down around Auckland a hell of a lot slower than the jobs and the economy collapsed countrywide.
Do you think those people who are quite economically sensitive are collateral damage for your views on peoples sensitivities about race?
You have to look at both cost sides of any issue.
BTW: I am pretty sure that is the way that the Labour strategists thought. It is how I would have thought about it. It is a pretty basic inside Labour that they do think that way. Sudden economic shocks are the absolute nightmare in terms of injuring people.
Don’t you think Lprent, that this bubble should have pricked some time ago?
I’ve been saying the main reason national are doing nothing about it – as they have no plan – and really have no idea what to do if the bubble burst and the jobs go.
Auckland can’t afford 100,000 people unemployed, and I think that is a conservative figure. I agree with you, It’s the spill to the down the industries who will fall quickly this time round – as to many are operating in “just in time” business model. Which does not absorb crashes well.
Same in Australia, they looking at 1,000,000 jobs shed when the bubble bursts.
This is real nightmare stuff from the Tories, they are clueless. Look at Joyce, he’s floundering – they dare not put Nick Smith in front of a camera. Key looks out of touch, and weak on this issue. His nice bloke image, is making him look like a right blonker.
I think the Tories are staining their collective underwear over this issue. The market has failed and if the do anything – they have to admit the whole free market approach is flawed.
My guess, they will stick with ideology, and let Auckland burn.
“The reflex reaction to call anything racist without looking at the underlying issues or context is probably a modern malaise.”
What I saw was too many people on the standard telling people who have direct experience of racism their whole lives and a political awareness and analysis of that racism, that they didn’t know what racism is. It reminds me of the rape culture conversations where feminists are told they don’t know what rape culture is. A real eye opener, because I thought we were better than this here on racism.
Sadly, I agree. Except that rather than feeling somehow let down by what has been on display vis a vis the denial and defense of racism by self appointed leftists, it only served to reaffirm my view, built from many conversations and observations, that the political left in NZ is riddled through with racist nonsense.
I wonder how much is due to people squealing to themselves “But I’m of the left therefor I can’t be racist!”? 🙄
I wonder how much is due to people squealing to themselves “But I’m of the left therefor I can’t be racist!”?
How about,
‘I’m a Leftie who love’s and respect’s all people.
That’s why I hate Right Winger’s or anyone else who disagrees with my political beliefs.’
What I saw was too many people on the standard telling people who have direct experience of racism their whole lives and a political awareness and analysis of that racism, that they didn’t know what racism is.
Nope. We told you that you that data and its analysis isn’t racist. You refused to believe us because of your irrational knee-jerk reaction.
Draco. The sales list was just a sales list. Even the analysis was just analysis – wonky or otherwise. The presentation by Labour of what it extrapolated from that list was nothing but a ‘racist’ (xenophobic) dog-whistle though.
While what was said was wrong, the MSD workers have raised an important point: There are too many unseen Maori bouncers stopping white people from getting shit-wrecked in bars. It’s like they want to push white drunks out onto the street. I’ve seen them, ghost-Maoris, drinking kegs in garages like they own the whole brewery. Just inspect the data! It’s obvious. That white guy had a Maori-sounding wahine with him, so that proves how far they’ll go. Just the other day some guy said kia ora to me in the street – like he didn’t know how to say hello! Jesus. They must be stopped so that the next generation of white drunks can own bars. I bet they’d even stop Samoans drinking in Taupo, too, if they had to.
If every bar in the country had video cameras on their bouncers on a friday/saturday night and people were made accountable for their actions via the media, I predict thousands of people would be fired from their jobs each and every week. I can’t defend what they said, but singling out people through the media seems like gutter journalism too.
Unless it was a work function, I don’t see why it is important they work for Work and Income. High stressed employee gets drunk and disorderly, apparently I am alone in thinking they are being unfairly vilified.
I don’t know if the people are being unfairly vilafied or if WINZ is. The statements that guy made were racist and offensive no matter who he worked with. If the headlines had been “Bouncer racially abused by drunk patrons” it would have been pretty much all the required info. WINZ could then decide internally if those attitudes alighn with their culture.
However it seems to be an attempt to paint WINZ staff with a broad brush based on one racist moron. Allthough staff did say that those comments were the only ones caught on tape and that more members of the group had been using racial slurs earlier which is what made the bouncer start recording what they were saying. Once the phone came out most of the group realised what they were saying should not be recorded and stopped.
I definitely think that WINZ need to take a hard look at those staff and how their attitudes and behaviour might be impacting on their work. But I don’t think that should be done in public unless there is a good reason.
The media involvement acts as big wrecking ball through this incident. The media used their occupation because it made the story, if their occupation wasn’t mentioned in the story someone would have recognised them in the video and that information would likely have filtered through to WINZ managers to deal with the issue as they saw fit. Now with it all blown up in the media and a huge spotlight on them if they don’t take serious action they’ll be seen as weak.
Headlining that they were MSD employees is utter bullshit. Could they now be fired for bringing their employer into disrepute? Possibly. Is that fair? Not in my mind. When you have a job, you get ‘you’ back at 5:30 or whenever. What you do in your own time is, or should be, absolutely none of your employer’s business.
Can we expect some drunk and obnoxious kid who some people might recognise from a McDs to get fired or otherwise sanctioned for mumbling some drunken racist shit at a bouncer on a Saturday night now?
edit: Maybe the WINZ angle came up simply due to the bouncer recognising them as WINZ staff? Always the possibility there was a bit of pay-back involved. Who knows.
really? it seems to me that it’s getting better. not nearly as many wrecked people out in the cities getting turned away as there was ten years ago. drinking has settled down into something that’s only done with food and for social reasons, not a means to an end in itself. I bet those winz workers were on a “corporate retreat” seeing as it’s taupo. bigging it up on the taxpayers dime to find new ways to screw the poor
The search for extraterrestrial life received a major boost Tuesday with the launch of an ambitious $100 million (NZ$152 million) programme, backed by famed physicist Stephen Hawking and tech billionaire Yuri Milner.
I believe in humans getting out and into space but on this one I think the money could be better spent.
Organisers say the “Breakthrough Initiatives” project, also endorsed by other prominent British scientists, is the biggest ever scientific search for alien life. It includes a “listening” program ” the effort to analyse vast amounts of radio signals in search of signs of life ” and a “messaging” programme that will include $1 million (NZ$1.5 million) in prizes for digital messages that best represent the planet Earth.
The messages will not be sent, however, in part because some scientists ” including Hawking ” fear messages sent into space could possibly spur aggressive actions by alien races.
Yep a messaging program with messages that will not be sent. This is why I think this project is a distraction from the real and immediate issues and problems we face living on this planet.
The smart Greens promote woman in purse strings role. Bumbling Bill English can expect plenty of supplementary questions from the very determined Julie Ann Genter. All that cycling around the place will hold Genter in good stead for being fast out of the saddle and going at Bill’s jugular vein.
Well done Greens for walking the talk on gender equality.
Education:
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BA in philosophy
Post-graduate certificate in International Political Studies
Masters of Planning Practice
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Don’t see any thing finance related?.
Why is she doing finance , she has no skills in this area.
Actually Blind Man while you think you see all, others could arguably say Genter would do a much better job than slugger Bill is doing. Considering how much debt We are in, it wouldn’t be at all hard.
And what you really mean is that she doesn’t have any formal training in how to be a good capitalist. I’d count that as a plus for being a finance spokesperson.
I know Cullen didn’t have a great deal of financial education, lucky for us when Cullen had his turn everything was booming, we could have substituted Cullen for Bubbles the chimp and Bubbles would have still made a surplus.
Call me crazy but I would prefer Ministers to actually have skills in their particular portfolios, this goes for all political parties.
You wouldn’t play a halfback as a lock, would you.
A heads up, commerce degrees are a dime a dozen, and quite frankly a very expensive piece of paper to say you can rote learn. Does explain a lot about bill english, and his lack of imagination via the ongoing economic malaise – which has kept on, rolling on.
Ask most 18 year olds that are going off to uni, you’ll find truckloads that are going to Dunedin to get away from home, party and do the stock standard BCom because that’s what you do when you haven’t decided on a career.
The commerce courses at otago changed a few years ago to require first-year (i.e. fuckall) skimming of all disciplines within the division. Before that, he might have gone through just looking at marketing with never a look at finance. What was blinglish’s major?
Besides, with debt at $100bil, maybe if he’d looked at some planning papers we’d have avoided this mess…
“The commerce courses at otago changed a few years ago to ”
Out of curiosity what is a few years? Bill English would have been there about 35 years ago, after all (He was born in 1961).
He also has a BA(Hons) in English Literature from VUW. He got a 1st I believe. Even Bob Jones would approve of that.
Either of Bill’s degrees would seem to be more useful than the vast collection of “political science” qualifications in the New Zealand Labour Party.
I suspect many of his discretionary points available under the schedule in the mid-eighties would have gone on the lit rather than planning, finance, or similar.
I suppose the english lit helps him make shit up in the budget speech. As for who’s more useful than whom, Cullen’s qualifications were in history, and he managed to pay down government dept rather than inflate it. I guess the bcom was a handicap for blinglish.
I’ll have to call you on the ‘vast collection of “political science” qualifications in the New Zealand Labour Party’ there, alwyn. Got the data for that?
It used to be that the Labour Party was accused of being full of teachers, of which I was one, as if that was some sort of bad thing. So I did the research, and there were more teachers within the National caucus than Labour’s.
A quick glance at the background of the better known current MPs comes up with Robertson, Goff, Shearer, Hipkins, Twyford, Cunliffe and Lees–Galloway. It is also amazing how many came up through University Student Unions.
I don’t know how many others there might be among the unknowns.
What I find rather funny is that the Labour Party had three leaders in a row who could themselves down as “failed Political Science PhD, University of Auckland”.
Clark, Goff and Shearer all started but failed to finish the course.
Amongst the ‘unknowns’ only Cosgrove has politics in his degrees according to Wikipedia. He has a triple degree in Political Studies, American Studies and History.
So, eight out of 32 or thereabouts. A quarter. Not a ‘vast collection’ though I’d expect a bias that way for a group of left wing politicians to have studied politics at Uni. There are also theology, law and commerce degrees, education degrees, historians, people with health quals, anthropologists etc.
I’d expect also that more than average numbers would have been involved in university student politics. Politicians tend to be interested in politics wherever they are.
To be fair, eight is close to the largest number a tory is capable of counting to without taking off they socks, so it probably counts as a “vast collection” to them.
So, via Wikipedia I took a look at 15 National MPs chosen at random. 3 had been in student politics, (another one stood for local Council as a school boy) and two had political science in their degrees. Lawyers, scientists, one engineer, commerce types and arts degrees generally.
One quarter of the National intake. Someone else can scan the rest!
I’ll take your word for the backgrounds of the unknowns. I only looked at the top 6 in the pecking order, plus the previous leaders and, because I happened to have met him recently, Lees-Galloway.
Of these 10 people, who I regarded as the senior ones, only Little, King and Mahuta didn’t seem to have a Pol Sci background as a University discipline.
Yes Double Dipton has a degree in Commerce – even worked in Treasury (and we know how grounded in reality that lot are) . He wouldn’t know what an economy is, if he fell over it. The most useless twit to warm the Finance bench this country has ever had to suffer. What has he actually done in the 6 years he has twiddled his thumbs apart from repeat the same nonsense year after year as he “presents” his “budget”, and cut vital services that we as NZers have paid for?
Tell us Blind Man – what is an economy for anyway?
A little googling found that philosophy degrees include topics which would benefit any politician including social justice, critical thinking, ethics, logic, truth and political philosophy.
Skills acquired from a study of philosophy include critical thinking, clear argument, discerning validity and importance, dealing with multiple viewpoints and ideas, deep thinking and concentration.
Philosphy at undergraduate level is often taken with economics and politics, this being a famous combination.
Ms Genter may have other courses in her degree which are finance related. Cullen studied economic history for example. I have a friend who studied economics and political science both to stage three level. Who decides whether he is an economist or a political scientist?
Bob Jones used arts graduates in his employment, he once wrote, because they have learnt to think, and could be trained in the specifics of his business.
Having a degree in Philosophy means she has the ability to see big pictures, not just narrow focus, she also has the ability to question and test the logic of specious arguments. The less we have of economists and accountants making decisions about the good of the country and the more we have people with a broad based thinking, analytical and logical mindset, with a view of culture and history, the better.
It’s possible that, as part of her studies, she did economics 101 which means that she would have more knowledge of finance than our PM. That’s the thing about BAs – you never really know which courses were included in the study.
And then there’s the fact that people don’t go to school and then stay exactly the same – they continue learning.
Genter, “Her financial hero is American Herman Daly, who was one of the first economists to talk about the incompatibility of infinite economic growth in a finite world.”
Makes you wonder where we are heading. Constant need to increase population and grow the economy might be a disaster in the long run.
There is no need to constantly increase the population to grow the economy. Places like Germany have static or falling populations and still manage to grow their economy.
It looks like Russel Norman is really taking a back seat too, he’s basically only got Trade and Spying portfolios now. And helping out James Shaw in leadership.
Yeah it’s a pity our old cobbah Rusty couldn’t quite infuse Winnie to bridge the divide. Should have a far better chance with James Shaw. Might try getting them together for a charity I’ve raised over $200 K for. Shouldn’t be hard getting them to attend a gig, a common charity maybe just the ice breaker needed.
Two weeks ago I overheard a cow cocky say they had been told to expect a price “in the 3s “. I’m pretty sure he’s a Fonterra supplier.
Now Open Country has confirmed it, obviously the big companies know a lot more about future price trends than they are letting on.
Yet English keeps saying ” nothing to see here “.
A milkfat price ” in the 3s ” is really bad news for the whole country, it will impact on practicaly everybody.
Not much dairy conversion’s.going on lately, I suspect plenty of South Pacific Pesos being exchanged to Greenbacks. A little late to reap the full rewards like money trader Key will have, however I may grab a slab while the going is good.
I blame Capitalism. It is always Capitalism’s fault. The collapse of the Roman empire was caused by Capitalism don’t you know.
It was caused by out of touch elites who because they were insulated by wealth and bureaucracy from the realities on the ground, did not understand until too late how bad they were fucking up.
I’m actually kind of confident that bees will be saved because they have such a direct and demonstrable economic benefit. So there’s a lot of research money going into them and solving this problem. The first chemical company that comes up with a pesticide that doesn’t impact bees is going to make money hand over fist.
Your brain appears to be stuck in repeat mode Gosman. Must be the failing Rockstar economic outlook causing a glitch. I imagine you have been walking around in circles muttering “John Key is my hero where is the Rockstar I can not compute….bring on the encore.’
You struggle understanding science and data ah Clean_power. Well no worry, you can go to a night class and …. no wait national axed the funding to those classes. Nope sorry, you will just have to stay an ignorant Tory lick spittle.
Interesting review of Tomorrow’s schools 25 years on, to be found on Evening Report.
Like any changes to the educational system – the long term effects effects are what is required to be considered rather than the short term goals. Charter school aficionados take note.
The issues there have hardly anything to do with Tomorrow’s schools and more to do with parents moving so they can get their children in to higher decile schools. Considering lower decile schools get more funding per pupil than higher decile schools the situation would be much worse if the reforms were not made. How exactly is tomorrow schools responsible for the situation?
Read the papers provided by Lockwood Smith when he was the minister, and what was the desired outcome of tomorrow schools – the programme and implementation.
No, how about you expand on why you think the article Molly linked to shows a failing with Tomorrow Schools rather than what I suspect is merely parents moving to areas where they think their kids will get better education based on the knowledge that is available to them?
Who is Chris Trotter, really, and what does he want with the Bogans? Maybe he was taking the piss?
Chris argues Labour could do worse than go after the Bogan vote: that elusive sub-feeder group of the stereotypical Waitakere Man he’s spent his recent blogging life demonising. Now he paints them as the long-haired unshaven equivalent of the silent-but-infamous “kiwi-battler”, and that their values hold the keys to Labour refinding its roots.
No Chris, Labour know how to go after the people, as a whole, and fund, supply, and maintain access to essential services and life requirements irrespective of who they are or what they think or how long their hair is, or which cartoon stereotype they correspond to. They just don’t want to anymore.
“So are you saying we shouldn’t listen to the poor, the gays, Maori, women, transgender people, immigrants?”
“No, Chris. We should give them the same care and focus on their needs as they see it as we do anyone else.”
“Doesn’t sound very middle-class oriented.”
“No, Chris, it isn’t.”
“Who would we fight, who would we blame, who’d be the enemy?”
“Ourselves. We’re the enemy, haven’t you noticed?”
“You’re nuts!”
“I’m glad you think so.”
I think he is trying to influence the wider left to embrace traditional supporters who they have drifter away from. But if you don’t want to do this and would prefer to denigrate this section of society go for it.
As someone who grew up a Westy I think you are under estimating their social empathy. One thing I found was that when you fell on hard times there was always someone with a couch and a meal they were willing to share. You had to really mooch off a mate before he would even start thinking of telling you to sort your self out.
By the way a lot of the guys and girls I knew back then were Labour voters long before I moved away from National. There is a vast gap between the so called Waitakere man and a good old fasioned Westy.
Probably not a good time to go counting the numbers of homeless on cities main streets, cars parked at Wynyard Quarter, or see what the City Mission has to deal with.
Just had visitors from Oz. Both expressed surprise and concern at “the level of poverty that is apparent in NZ”.
Incidentally also highly critical of our TV programming.
Am I right in sensing a gathering storm; that we are heading for a southern hemisphere Greece? Or am I just depressed?
Interesting anecdata only. We tend to shop only once or maybe twice a fortnight so when we do it’s a full trolley.
Was back in Auckland last week and did a supermarket trip for my dad, plus visitors. Full trolley = NZ$320 @ Pack&Save
Came home and needed to do another shop. Full trolley = A$205 @ ALDI’s
Similar items although obviously not identical. Allow for currency conversion at 1.1 and GST @ 1.15 the NZ equivalent price of the ALDI’s trolley would be about NZ$260
Given the minimum wage here is around A$23 per hour – well you can see where I’m coming from.
Considering Australian and New Zealand have similar rates of poverty it seems unusual your visitors will have seen levels majorly different from what they experience in Australia (unless they don’t visit where the poorer people live in Oz)
Anyone who has walked down George Street in Sydney will be able to atest to the numbers of people sleeping rough. I am surprised that an Australian would just straight up comment on poverty in NZ. Even smaller area’s like Townsville, Cairns, Darwin and Rockingham have very visable signs of poverty.
Of course it may be that out side of Sydney most of those effected are of Aboriginal decent and so probably aren’t taken into consideration by the average Australian.
'You can judge a city by the way it treats its poorest citizen. Well, Sydney, on Monday you failed'. http://t.co/7Dw6tlR4Lh— Native Affairs (@N8TVAFFAIRSTV) July 21, 2015
You got it in one Gosman. Many of the rural communities where there is poverty, are way off the grid. Having visited a few in my time – via a long plane flight. There is a bit in urban landscape too – but those areas were generally unheard of/not spoken about – if you had not lived there for a while. Not like, say Auckland and our huge, city wide homeless problem.
That said, my time in Aussie was in the West, Victoria and South Australia.
Oh right that explains (certainly no excuse) for the Winz managements behavior in Taupo. Got their bonus payments for rejecting welfare claims to make Tolley’s books look brighter. Too much champagne on the taxpayer by the looks. Let’s hope they get turfed to the other side of the Winz counter…and rejected.
Who’s in Auckland and today can help to hold a banner /placard?
Whistleblower/ Media Alert!
Please do not censor or underplay the importance of this arguably corrupt ‘conflict of interest’ – regarding NZ Prime Minister John Key, in his advocacy for the Trans-Pacific Partnership Agreement (TPPA)!
Follow-up TPPA – WALK AWAY protest today outside Auckland Uni – exposing PM John Key’s shareholding in the Bank of America!
WHEN: TUESDAY 21 July
TIME: 1 -5 PM
WHERE: Symonds St / Grafton Rd intersection – directly outside Auckland Uni.
WHY? Because Auckland students are back and there are THOUSANDS of them – who yesterday read the message on our banners and placards!
“Register of Pecuniary and Other Specified Interests of Members of Parliament:
Summary of annual returns as at 31 January 2015
(Page 29)
Rt Hon John Key (National, Helensville)
2 Other companies and business entities
Little Nell – property investment (Aspen, Colorado)
Bank of America – banking ..”
A LOT of people don’t know this, and it is, in my view, as an anti-corruption ‘Public Watchdog’ an arguably significant corrupt ‘conflict of interest’.
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(In this You Tube clip – John Key admits that he’s a shareholder in the Bank of America, in front of a Grey Power Public Meeting, 3 February 2011.)
Taken from the NZHerald, reprinted from an Australian commentator, and pretty apposite to New Zealand:
“The problem is that Australia, after decades of effort to diversify, is looking ever more like a petrodollar economy of the Middle East, but without the vast horde of foreign currency reserves to fall back on when commodity prices fall.
Instead, Australians must borrow to maintain the standards of living that the country has become accustomed to, which even some Greeks will admit is unsustainable.”
Taken from UK daily Telegraph, a right wing cheerleader that hates seeing countries like Australia and France defy the orthodoxy and periodically prints Cassandra like stories on the fate of both.
You are aware you can leave international agreements aren’t you? If NZ decided to leave the UN for example there is little the UN could do for example.
Seriously what the F is going on here, I’ve hit peak Max Key for sure. 5 major NZ news outlets posted some or all of Max’s holiday video yesterday, but wait there’s still more! Media going to great lengths to write anything on the beloved PM’s son.
someone’s seriously plugging the boy’s image. It’s been going on for days.
It might be going from dirty politics to distraction politics, but I think it’s equally likely that some publicist is trying to prepare the ground for him as a broadcaster, building “celebrity”. Throw money at a few photo spreads, next thing you know he’ll be on dancing with the stars or some bullshit like that, then get a few part time but 5 or 6 figure microphone jobs.
Talking about airwaves. Media guy Paul? said on 9toNoon this morning that Radionz is sacking 20 with 6 new jobs opening up net 14. All seasoned workers no doubt, like gold. No rise in funding from gummint for 8 years.
Strumming my pain with his fingers
Singing my life with his words
Killing me softly with his song.’
Yes, yek killing me softly?
Perhaps the MSM is getting us used to him so that when JK hands over the countries reigns to him we won’t be too bothered by the disappearance of democracy and the open implementation of our new aristocracy.
Labour’s talking past you to the real people bro, you know – the people who can’t afford to buy a house in Auckland. Just ask around your office, Labour is getting huge kudos at the water cooler.
A. Live in a city where you can’t afford to buy a home, very expensive just to live, spending hours commuting, your mayor is Len Brown
B. Live in a city where you can afford to buy/build, not expensive to live, commuting in under an hour, has plenty of work available and your mayor isn’t Len Brown
Tell me again why living in Christchurch is such a joke
Labour’s talking past you to the real people bro, you know – the people who can’t afford to buy a house in Auckland
“real people” could not afford to buy a house in Auckland by 2004/2005. Now, they are talking to “real people” who are tired of being outbid on $800K villas.
You keep muttering your same mantra. 2004? Where were you? Did you raise the issue like you are doing now? Was the government then selling off state houses? Was the foreign money from China coming in at such huge amounts as now? Is there a huge crisis now or not? Should the government do something about it now or simply reminiscence about 2004 and some other year like 1904?
A jack up to help Key out of the data jam. Notice Key using Gowers stupid line of questioning in the House today. Most Kiwi’s will be thinking Key’s antics are not funny in the least, actually I think they would rather he cut the crap and ban non resident foreigners buying our property.
OK well according to Hooton on Nine to Noon yesterday National failed to take the bait and bite. Looks like he was wrong as the head clown of the National Party circus couldn’t help himself ( just like ponytail pulling) so people will still be angry with him till he plucks false data out of his arse.
Just another illustration of the media either playing the Patsy questions game or getting dealt to by member or cronies of this corrupt regime in power.
Speaking of which, (you heard it here first) expect Radio New Zealand will have little choice but to issue an apology to Mr Tung…..you know Judith Collins husband. After bully boy Tung continues to throw his weight around threatening legal action against any media who dare question his involvement in the dodgy swamp Kauri trade.
Yeah, he’s only a director of one of the companies involved (“Oravida Bleach Inc.”, or something). It would be far more damaging to his reputation to point out that he’s married to that vindictive trash Judith Collins.
Unlike those media outlets who have been threatened and muzzled, unfortunately for Tung, if he doesn’t settle down and crawl back under his rock he and Judith share ‘he and the kauri company he works for’ will get so much bad press their operation in Ruakaka will be driven out of Northland with their tales between their legs.
At any stage we choose a very public (widely covered by all media) protest and hard line picket can be arranged where nothing gets in or out of their depot.
So go ahead punk make our day and press the button!
The language Gower used falls into the catagory of defamation imo. Labour should announce they are seeking to take legal action against Patrick Gower and TV3.
He was rude and bullying and wouldn’t let Little answer anything properly. He accused Andrew Little of “cooking up statistics because he knew it was going to hurt people”. That is shameful and Little should demand an apology. He went on to say “He (Little) only did it for the headline.
1. It wasn’t Andrew Little who released the information, it was Phil Twyford.
2. I have never seen any reporter act in such a rude and jeering way to any interviewee. And that’s saying something where Gower is concerned.
3. No other member of the media pack was able to ask a question.
Typical, too many reporters try to create a story and make it all about them, rather than just asking the question and letting the respondent reply. Gower,s ego gets in the way of his interviewing far too often
“So far all the ugliest elements put on display since Labour raised the issue of China’s speculation in our residential housing market have been displayed by those screaming racist …
I wouldn’t worry too much, TV3s ratings are abysmal anyway, or Gower, “Pfft!” indeed! (& personally I think Gower is crap anyway so watching Little take no shit from him was awesome to see, but yeah just a look of disdain next time would suffice.)
Border Security: 660,260 (TV ONE, 7:30pm – 8:05pm)
The Force: 632,890 (TV ONE, 8:05pm – 8:35pm)
My Kitchen Rules: 343,220 (TV2, 8:00pm – 9:20pm)
Criminal Minds: 314,190 (TV ONE, 8:35pm – 9:30pm)
Married At First Sight: 240,410 (TV3, 8:30pm – 9:35pm)
MOST WATCHED ON TV3
3 News: 246,630 (6:00pm – 7:00pm)
Married At First Sight: 240,410 (8:30pm – 9:35pm)
Come Dine With Me NZ: 148,840 (7:00pm – 7:30pm)
Reality Trip: 133,640 (9:35pm – 10:35pm)
Inside Story: 129,870 (8:00pm – 8:30pm)
see – you’re just fucking game-playing while the country circles down the drain under this government.
I hope that in real live you (even inadvertantly) do something that actually helps people in a real way, rather than just facilitating speculators or other parasites. It would be a shame if you were a net-loss from the well-being of the rest of the human species.
I see PR you like to call Andrew Little Little Andy. Excellent as I have no problems with people trying to belittle the opposition politicians or politicians they don’t like by calling them derogatory names, that’s why I love to refer to Key as a lying perverted money trading fucking spiv.
The only difference between you calling Andrew Little Little Any and me calling Key a lying perverted money trading fucking spiv. is the fact that
Andrew Little is neither little in stature or height, whereas Key is a lying perverted money trading fucking spiv.
Paddy Gower is an arsehole that needs to be put in its right place where the Sun don’t shine. He isn’t a credible journalist. A loathsome right wing fart.
Cut and edited the story to make Little look as bad as possible then finishes with his own little one sided stand up. I could never be a politician I’d make the little twerp swallow his mike.
paddy sure does. Didn’t catch one news but hoskings took English s vague comments about murmurs he heard in China and turned them into a international disaster . How does this country rid itself of these sycophantic loser s ??
Andrew Little has carefully cultivated the facial expressions of a small business owner that has just been told the employee he fired illegally is taking him to court. hahahhahaaha
John Key’s expressions are usually of a rich boy saying, nup. nup. nup. don’t care. nup. people will die but it won’t be me. nup. nup. you’re poor anyway. nup. nup.
How Seinfeld became a bad joke:
The threat of a hyper-vigilant left-wing outrage machine has been greatly exaggerated
A millionaire tells a dumb joke and nobody laughs — and that’s proof we’re all oppressed by social activists?
by ARTHUR CHU, Salon, June 12, 2015
Jerry Seinfeld is the latest brave middle-aged white man to weigh in on the “creepy” ascendance of humorless p.c. SJW anti-free-speech scolds. We know the drill now–we’ve heard it from comedians like Seinfeld and Patton Oswalt and, to a lesser degree, Louis C.K. and Chris Rock. We’ve heard it packaged in a different format from Very Serious media commentators like Jonathan Chait, Laura Kipnis and, most recently, an anonymous white male adjunct professor whose left-wing students “terrify” him.
It’s a familiar, tired drill. Point to instances of creeping overreaction by angry left-wing young people in the classroom, at protests and especially on Tumblr or Twitter. Portray these forces as a terrifying, swelling horde of enforcers with the power to totally destroy the lives of good old hardworking members of the chattering class like yourself. Talk about how this army of Social Justice Stormtroopers has successfully create a stifling Orwellian monoculture, especially on the Internet, where all of us live in constant fear of saying anything the least bit “offensive” lest our lives be ruined and as a result all online discourse has been stripped down to the level of catchphrase-spewing party apparatchiks seeking to avoid Stalinist purges.
This is clearly an extremely compelling narrative when it comes to a lot of people’s personal fears, because it’s a narrative they spin out of comparatively little evidence. It’s not that there’s no such thing as a left-wing witch hunt or that people haven’t been harmed by them — it’s that, for something that’s so scary that it warrants trend piece after trend piece on a biweekly basis, it seems pretty hard for these pundits to come up with actual examples of harm to themselves.
Daniel Tosh, whose nasty rape joke at an audience member spurred the comedy world to rally around him waving flags with apocryphal Voltaire quotes – yeah, he got a lot of mean tweets, and got analyzed in a bunch of think pieces, and got a really unkind (but hilarious) Onion article written about him.
And … that was it. His stand-up career is still going fine. He’s still on Twitter. He still has a damn top-rated show on Comedy Central, which makes him better off than 99.9 percent of all stand-up comedians in the country. (A show, by the way, which derives a lot of its humor from mocking people who are already being mercilessly made fun of or criticized on the Internet, which adds a little bit of irony to this whole “lynch mob” thing.)
Jonathan Chait combs through years of outraged viral right-wing posts on Facebook about left-wing atrocities but only comes up with one story of significant material harm, a kid being fired from a college newspaper, after Chait himself has gotten embroiled in controversy for trying to get journalists fired from newspapers for doing their job wrong. (As always, it’s actually about ethics in journalism.)
Laura Kipnis has a stronger argument for having been mistreated, even though the Title IX system she criticizes did, in fact, end up letting her completely off the hook — and even though the actual reason for the complaint against her wasn’t her “wrong opinion” but her spreading untruths about a student embroiled in a sexual harassment claim against a professor, which pretty much every “political correctness gone mad” pundit talking about the Kipnis case has ignored.
“Labour believes if you have the right to live here you have the right to buy here, but not otherwise. That means all citizens and residents can. This will apply to all ethnicities.”
Not racism!…Go Labour for calling out the problem as it is…and the Chinese know it:
‘Wall of Chinese capital buying up Australian properties’
The “wall of Chinese capital” hitting property markets in Sydney and Melbourne will not ease up until the government introduces its anti-money laundering legislation, says an expert in ‘flight capital’.
James Tee, an ethnic Chinese property developer whose business specialises in “capital expatriation” – that is, getting money out of China and into his property developments in Malaysia – told Fairfax Media the exodus of capital from China was accelerating, thanks to the government’s anti-corruption drive.
“We have been tracking this for two years,” says Tee. Those outflows from China are compounded by the flight of capital out of Canada which is now “bursting” to find a home in Australia.
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Due to the bubble in Canadian house prices and ensuing concerns over social dislocation, Canada’s government shut down its investor visa program last year. Some 40,000 Chinese visa applicants with a minimum loan to governments of $C800,000 were handed back their capital.
“That’s roughly $32 billion,” says Tee. “The Canadian government said: ‘We don’t want your money anymore’ and that capital is now hitting the Sydney market.”…
This shows that all the hand ringing that’s gone on here is just the overly PC getting them self into a lather about the wrong thing they need to wake up, its bad enough that labour have to fight the likes of Gower but being attacked buy so called progressive s on the far left is just pathetic.
Agreed, facetious. Little has already lifted Labour up in the polls to the point where he can be the next Prime Minister and I can only see improvement in the future. Good times!
I didn’t hear about Shane Te Pou, ‘a former Labour party official’ complaining, according to Radionz, that his Chinese wife ‘had her personal details released in Labour’s housing data leak’ This from 17/7/2015. http://www.radionz.co.nz/audio/player/201762871.
1 No details of any kind were released as I understand it, except the bald percentages based on likely ethnic names.
2 Mr Te Pou has himself breached his wife’s privacy, not Labour.
3 He sounded confused and incomprehensible, and not a good advocate for any point he tried to make, or Labour.
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The business section of the NZ Herald is full of opinion. Among the more opinionated of all is the ex-Minister of Transport, ex-Minister of Railways, ex MP for Auckland Central (1975-93, Labour), Wellington Central (1996-99, ACT, then list-2005), ex-leader of the ACT Party, uncle to actor Antonia, the veritable granddaddy ...
Hi,Just quickly — I’m blown away by the stories you’ve shared with me over the last week since I put out the ‘Gary’ podcast, where I told you about the time my friend’s flatmate killed the neighbour.And you keep telling me stories — in the comments section, and in my ...
The first season of Rings of Power was not awful. It was thoroughly underwhelming, yes, and left a lingering sense of disappointment, but it was more expensive mediocrity than catastrophe. I wrote at length about the series as it came out (see the Review section of the blog, and go ...
Buzz from the Beehive Workplace Relations and Safety Minister Brooke van Velden told Auckland Business Chamber members they were the first audience to hear her priorities as a minister in a government committed to cutting red tape and regulations. She brandished her liberalising credentials, saying Flexible labour markets are the ...
Chris Trotter writes – TO UNDERSTAND WHY NEWSHUB FAILED, it is necessary to understand how TVNZ changed. Up until 1989, the state broadcaster had been funded by a broadcasting licence fee, collected from every citizen in possession of a television set, supplemented by a relatively modest (compared ...
Bob Edlin writes – The Māori Party has been busy issuing a mix of warnings and threats as its expresses its opposition to interest deductibility for landlords and the plans of seabed miners. It remains to be seen whether they follow the example of indigenous litigants in Australia, ...
The Government has accepted Labour’s change to the Road User Charge (RUC) discount for hybrid vehicles, meaning there will still be some incentive for people to buy greener vehicles. ...
Kicking the most vulnerable people out of state housing and pushing them towards homelessness will result in a proliferation of poverty and trauma across our most vulnerable communities. ...
Te Pāti Māori co-leader and MP for Waiariki, Rawiri Waititi has penned a letter asking MPs to support his members bill to remove GST from all food. The bill is expected to go through its first reading in parliament this Wednesday. “I’m calling on all political parties to support my ...
This year is about getting real with Kiwis and discussing the tough issues, as the National Government exacerbates inequality and divides New Zealand, Labour Leader Chris Hipkins said ...
The Government adding Significant Natural Areas (SNAs) to its already roaring environmental policy bonfire is an assault on the future of wildlife that makes Aotearoa unique. ...
After 12 years of fighting to protect our moana we are finding ourselves back at square one and back at court. Today, the Environmental Protection Agency is sitting in Hawera to reconsider an application from Trans-Tasman Resources to dig up 50 million tonnes of the seabed in South Taranaki. This ...
Minister Shane Jones’ decision to step away from a seabed mining project is evidence of the murky waters surrounding the Government’s fast-track legislation. ...
The growth of Treaty of Waitangi clauses in legislation caused so much worry that a special oversight group was set up by the last government in a bid to get greater coherence in the publicservice on Treaty matters. When ministers first considered the need for tighter oversight in 2021, there ...
The growth of Treaty of Waitangi clauses in legislation caused so much worry that a special oversight group was set up by the last government in a bid to get greater coherence in the publicservice on Treaty matters. When ministers first considered the need for tighter oversight in 2021, there ...
The Coalition Government’s miscalculation saga continues as it has forgotten an eyewatering $90 million gap in its interest deductibility cost figures, say Labour Finance spokesperson Barbara Edmonds and Revenue Spokesperson Deborah Russell. ...
He Pou a Rangi Climate Change Commission has today released advice that says if the Government doesn’t act now New Zealand is at risk of not meeting its climate goals. ...
The Coalition Government has today confirmed it is abandoning first home buyers who are struggling to get ahead, says Labour Finance spokesperson Barbara Edmonds. ...
The New Zealand public voted for a change in direction at the 2023 general election and that is exactly what this coalition government has been delivering in its first 100 days. There was an immediate focus on the economy, easing the cost of living, cracking down on law and order ...
The Government has left the health system as an afterthought, announcing half-baked targets at the last minute of their 100-day plan, says Labour Health spokesperson Ayesha Verrall. ...
Kiwis are still waiting for their promised cost of living support after 100 days of a National Government that is taking us backwards, Labour Leader Chris Hipkins said today. ...
The National Government has spent its first 100 days stopping, cutting and reversing. They have scrapped stuff for stuff for the sake of it, without putting up any solutions of their own – and it’s hardworking New Zealanders who will pay for it. ...
100 days of National taking NZ backwardsThe National Government has spent its first 100 days stopping, cutting and reversing. They have scrapped stuff for stuff for the sake of it, without putting up any solutions of their own – and it’s hardworking New Zealanders who will pay for it. ...
The Government must commit to funding free and healthy school lunches, as thousands of people sign the petition to keep them, education spokesperson Jan Tinetti says. ...
If the Government was serious about moving families into public housing, they would build more houses so there is actually somewhere for people to go. ...
The free and healthy school lunches programme feeds our kids, helps them to learn, and saves families money – but it is at risk under this Government, education spokesperson Jan Tinetti said. ...
The Government’s proposed changes to Firearms Prohibition Orders (FPO) add almost nothing new and are merely an attempt to distract from its plans to loosen gun laws, police spokesperson Ginny Andersen and justice spokesperson Dr Duncan Webb said. ...
The great Victorian era English politician Lord Macauley stood in the British House of Parliament and said, "The gallery in which the reporters sit has become a fourth estate of the realm".He understood and outlined even way back then, the significant role and influence media have in a democracy. ...
"The Government is moving quickly to realise an additional $46 million in tariff savings in the EU market this season for Kiwi exporters,” Minister for Trade and Agriculture, Todd McClay says. Parliament is set, this week, to complete the final legislative processes required to bring the New Zealand – European ...
New Zealand’s social workers are qualified, experienced, and more representative of the communities they serve, Social Development and Employment Minister Louise Upston says. “I want to acknowledge and applaud New Zealand’s social workers for the hard work they do, providing invaluable support for our most vulnerable. “To coincide with World ...
Cabinet has agreed to a reduced road user charge (RUC) rate for plug-in hybrid electric vehicles (PHEVs), Transport Minister Simeon Brown says. Owners of PHEVs will be eligible for a reduced rate of $38 per 1,000km once all light electric vehicles (EVs) move into the RUC system from 1 April. ...
Minister of Agriculture and Trade, Todd McClay, says that today’s opening of Riverland Foods manufacturing plant in Christchurch is a great example of how trade access to overseas markets creates jobs in New Zealand. Speaking at the official opening of this state-of-the-art pet food factory the Minister noted that exports ...
Minister of Foreign Affairs Winston Peters met with Chinese Foreign Minister Wang Yi in Wellington today. “It was a pleasure to host Foreign Minister Wang Yi during his first official visit to New Zealand since 2017. Our discussions were wide-ranging and enabled engagement on many facets of New Zealand’s relationship with China, including trade, ...
Kāinga Ora – Homes & Communities has been instructed to end the Sustaining Tenancies Framework and take stronger measures against persistent antisocial behaviour by tenants, says Housing Minister Chris Bishop. “Earlier today Finance Minister Nicola Willis and I sent an interim Letter of Expectations to the Board of Kāinga Ora. ...
Tēna koutou katoa. Greetings everyone. Thank you to the Auckland Chamber of Commerce and the Honourable Simon Bridges for hosting this address today. I acknowledge the business leaders in this room, the leaders and governors, the employers, the entrepreneurs, the investors, and the wealth creators. The coalition Government shares your ...
Minister Winston Peters completed the final leg of his visit to South and South East Asia in Singapore today, where he focused on enhancing one of New Zealand’s indispensable strategic partnerships. “Singapore is our most important defence partner in South East Asia, our fourth-largest trading partner and a ...
Minister of Internal Affairs and Workplace Relations and Safety, Hon. Brooke van Velden, will travel to the Republic of Korea to represent New Zealand at the Third Summit for Democracy on 18 March. The summit, hosted by the Republic of Korea, was first convened by the United States in 2021, ...
ICNZ Speech 7 March 2024, Auckland Acknowledgements and opening Mōrena, ngā mihi nui. Ko Andrew Bayly aho, Nor Whanganui aho. Good morning, it’s a privilege to be here to open the ICNZ annual conference, thank you to Mark for the Mihi Whakatau My thanks to Tim Grafton for inviting me ...
Prime Minister Christopher Luxon and Lead Coordination Minister Judith Collins have expressed their deepest sympathy on the five-year anniversary of the Christchurch terror attacks. “March 15, 2019, was a day when families, communities and the country came together both in sorrow and solidarity,” Mr Luxon says. “Today we pay our respects to the 51 shuhada ...
Speech for Financial Advice NZ Conference 5 March 2024 Acknowledgements and opening Morena, Nga Mihi Nui. Ko Andrew Bayly aho, Nor Whanganui aho. Thanks Nate for your Mihi Whakatau Good morning. It’s a pleasure to formally open your conference this morning. What a lovely day in Wellington, What a great ...
Foreign Minister Winston Peters held discussions in Jakarta today about the future of relations between New Zealand and South East Asia’s most populous country. “We are in Jakarta so early in our new government’s term to reflect the huge importance we place on our relationship with Indonesia and South ...
Deputy Prime Minister and Minister of Foreign Affairs Winston Peters has announced that the Foreign Minister of China, Wang Yi, will visit New Zealand next week. “We look forward to re-engaging with Foreign Minister Wang Yi and discussing the full breadth of the bilateral relationship, which is one of New Zealand’s ...
Transport Minister Simeon Brown has today opened the new Auckland Rail Operations Centre, which will bring together KiwiRail, Auckland Transport, and Auckland One Rail to improve service reliability for Aucklanders. “The recent train disruptions in Auckland have highlighted how important it is KiwiRail and Auckland’s rail agencies work together to ...
The Government is proud to support the 10th edition of Crankworx Rotorua as the Crankworx World Tour returns to Rotorua from 16-24 March 2024, says Minister for Economic Development Melissa Lee. “Over the past 10 years as Crankworx Rotorua has grown, so too have the economic and social benefits that ...
Legislation implementing coalition Government tax commitments and addressing long-standing tax anomalies will be progressed in Parliament next week, Finance Minister Nicola Willis says. The legislation is contained in an Amendment Paper to the Taxation (Annual Rates for 2023–24, Multinational Tax, and Remedial Matters) Bill issued today. “The Amendment Paper represents ...
Associate Environment Minister Andrew Hoggard has today announced that the Government has agreed to suspend the requirement for councils to comply with the Significant Natural Areas (SNA) provisions of the National Policy Statement for Indigenous Biodiversity for three years, while it replaces the Resource Management Act (RMA).“As it stands, SNAs ...
Agriculture Minister Todd McClay has classified the drought conditions in the Marlborough, Tasman, and Nelson districts as a medium-scale adverse event, acknowledging the challenging conditions facing farmers and growers in the district. “Parts of Marlborough, Tasman, and Nelson districts are in the grip of an intense dry spell. I know ...
The Government is helping farmers eradicate the significant impact of facial eczema (FE) in pastoral animals, Agriculture Minister Todd McClay announced. “A $20 million partnership jointly funded by Beef + Lamb NZ, the Government, and the primary sector will save farmers an estimated NZD$332 million per year, and aims to ...
Foreign Minister Winston Peters has completed a successful visit to India, saying it was an important step in taking the relationship between the two countries to the next level. “We have laid a strong foundation for the Coalition Government’s priority of enhancing New Zealand-India relations to generate significant future benefit for both countries,” says Mr Peters, ...
Cabinet has agreed to provide $7 million to ensure the 2024 ski season can go ahead on the Whakapapa ski field in the central North Island but has told the operator Ruapehu Alpine Lifts it is the last financial support it will receive from taxpayers. Cabinet also agreed to provide ...
Health Minister Dr Shane Reti says the launch of a new mobile breast screening unit in Counties Manukau reinforces the coalition Government’s commitment to drive better cancer services for all New Zealanders. Speaking at the launch of the new mobile clinic, Dr Reti says it’s a great example of taking ...
Health Minister Dr Shane Reti says the launch of a new mobile breast screening unit in Counties Manukau reinforces the coalition Government’s commitment to drive better cancer services for all New Zealanders. Speaking at the launch of the new mobile clinic, Dr Reti says it’s a great example of taking ...
Unlocking economic growth and land for housing are critical elements of the Government’s plan for our transport network, and planned upgrades to State Highway 29 (SH29) near Tauriko will deliver strongly on those priorities, Transport Minister Simeon Brown says. “The SH29 upgrades near Tauriko will improve safety at the intersections ...
Unlocking economic growth and land for housing are critical elements of the Government’s plan for our transport network, and planned upgrades to State Highway 29 (SH29) near Tauriko will deliver strongly on those priorities, Transport Minister Simeon Brown says. “The SH29 upgrades near Tauriko will improve safety at the intersections ...
Lower fruit and vegetable prices are welcome news for New Zealanders who have been doing it tough at the supermarket, Finance Minister Nicola Willis says. Stats NZ reported today the price of fruit and vegetables has dropped 9.3 percent in the 12 months to February 2024. “Lower fruit and vege ...
Tēnā koutou katoa and greetings to you all. Chair, I am honoured to address the sixty-eighth session of the Commission on the Status of Women. I acknowledge the many crises impacting the rights of women and girls. Heightened global tensions, war, climate related and humanitarian disasters, and price inflation all ...
Tēnā koutou katoa and greetings to you all. Chair, I am honoured to address the 68th session of the Commission on the Status of Women. I acknowledge the many crises impacting the rights of women and girls. Heightened global tensions, war, climate related and humanitarian disasters, and price inflation all ...
The coalition Government is supporting farmers to enhance land management practices by investing $3.3 million in locally led catchment groups, Agriculture Minister Todd McClay announced. “Farmers and growers deliver significant prosperity for New Zealand and it’s vital their ongoing efforts to improve land management practices and water quality are supported,” ...
Good evening everyone and thank you for that lovely introduction. Thank you also to the Honourable Simon Bridges for the invitation to address your members. Since being sworn in, this coalition Government has hit the ground running with our 100-day plan, delivering the changes that New Zealanders expect of us. ...
Recommendations from the Climate Change Commission for New Zealand on the Emissions Trading Scheme (ETS) auction and unit limit settings for the next five years have been tabled in Parliament, Climate Change Minister Simon Watts says. “The Commission provides advice on the ETS annually. This is the third time the ...
The coalition Government is beginning its fight to lower building costs and reduce red tape by exempting minor building work from paying the building levy, says Building and Construction Minister Chris Penk. “Currently, any building project worth $20,444 including GST or more is subject to the building levy which is ...
Proposed changes to tax legislation to prevent the over-taxation of low-earning trusts are welcome, Finance Minister Nicola Willis says. The changes have been recommended by Parliament’s Finance and Expenditure Committee following consideration of submissions on the Taxation (Annual Rates for 2023–24, Multinational Tax, and Remedial Matters) Bill. “One of the ...
Assalaamu alaikum. السَّلَام عليكم In light of the holy month of Ramadan, I want to extend my warmest wishes to our Muslim community in New Zealand. Ramadan is a time for spiritual reflection, renewed devotion, perseverance, generosity, and forgiveness. It’s a time to strengthen our bonds and appreciate the diversity ...
Former Transport Minister and CEO of the Auckland Business Chamber Hon Simon Bridges has been appointed as the new Board Chair of the New Zealand Transport Agency (NZTA) for a three-year term, Transport Minister Simeon Brown announced today. “Simon brings extensive experience and knowledge in transport policy and governance to the role. He will ...
Good morning all, it is a pleasure to be here as Minister of Science, Innovation and Technology. It is fantastic to see how connected and collaborative the life science and biotechnology industry is here in New Zealand. I would like to thank BioTechNZ and NZTech for the invitation to address ...
Regional Development Minister Shane Jones says he is looking forward to the day when three key water projects in Northland are up and running, unlocking the full potential of land in the region. Mr Jones attended a community event at the site of the Otawere reservoir near Kerikeri on Friday. ...
Associate Finance Minister David Seymour has today announced that the Government has agreed to restore deductibility for mortgage interest on residential investment properties. “Help is on the way for landlords and renters alike. The Government’s restoration of interest deductibility will ease pressure on rents and simplify the tax code,” says ...
Sport and Recreation Minister Chris Bishop will travel to Switzerland today to attend an Executive Committee meeting and Symposium of the World Anti-Doping Agency (WADA). Mr Bishop will then travel on to London where he will attend a series of meetings in his capacity as Infrastructure Minister. “New Zealanders believe ...
Pacific Media Watch Earthwise hosts Lois and Martin Griffiths. Earthwise presenters Lois and Martin Griffiths on Plains FM 96.9 community radio talk to Dr David Robie, a New Zealand author, independent journalist and media educator with a passion for the Asia-Pacific region. David talks about the struggle to raise awareness ...
Pacific Media Watch Ismail al-Ghoul, an Al Jazeera Arabic correspondent who was held for 12 hours at Gaza’s al-Shifa hospital, says Israeli forces rounded up Palestinian journalists at the facility and made them kneel on the ground for hours, while naked and blindfolded. “The occupation forces handcuffed and blindfolded us ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Tony Wood, Program Director, Energy, Grattan Institute chinasong, Shutterstock Electricity customers in four Australian states can breathe a sigh of relief. After two years in a row of 20% price increases, power prices have finally stabilised. In many places they’re ...
Chumbawamba have reportedly issued the deputy PM a cease-and-desist notice after he used their song 'Tubthumping' before his state of the nation speech. ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Deborah Lupton, SHARP Professor, Vitalities Lab, Centre for Social Research in Health and Social Policy Centre, and the ARC Centre of Excellence for Automated Decision-Making and Society, UNSW Sydney kitzcorner/Shutterstock The assertion from Queensland’s chief health officer John Gerrard that ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Peter Martin, Visiting Fellow, Crawford School of Public Policy, Australian National University Shutterstock Why are musicians so keen to get played on the radio? It can’t be because of the money. In Australia they are paid at rates so low they ...
"Farmers make a point not to tell our urban cousins how to live, yet Chlöe from central Auckland is hell-bent on having her say about farmers," says ACT Rural Communities spokesman Mark Cameron. “On her first day in the House as Green ...
Analysis by Dr Bryce Edwards – Democracy Project (https://democracyproject.nz)Political scientist, Dr Bryce Edwards. It’s been a tumultuous time in politics in recent months, as the new National-led Government has driven through its “First 100 Day programme”. During this period there’s been a handful of opinion polls, which overall just ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Tim Curran, Associate Professor of Ecology, Lincoln University, New Zealand Getty Images/Gerald Corsi In the latest move to reform environmental laws in New Zealand, the coalition government has introduced a bill to fast-track consenting processes for projects deemed to ...
Uber has argued it does not have as much control over drivers as the unions suggest, and wants a judgment ruling that drivers are employees and not contractors set aside and sent back to the Employment Court. The 2022 ruling followed a three-week hearing in which four drivers sought to ...
What can and can’t be purchased by disabled people or their carers has been slashed in an effort by the Ministry of Disabled People Whaikaha to save money. The purchasing guidelines, a set of rules that sets out what can be purchased using the various streams of Government disability funding, ...
The Treasury has published today a new Analytical Note by Tod Wright and Hien Nguyen, Fiscal incidence in New Zealand: The effects of taxes and benefits on household incomes in tax year 2018/19 . Analyses of the distributional impact of taxation and government ...
The Treasury has published today a new Analytical Note by Cory Davis, Boston Hart and Benjamin Stubbing, Household cost-of-living impacts from the Emissions Trading Scheme and using transfers to mitigate regressive outcomes . This Analytical Note ...
A coalition of public transport and climate organisations, united as ‘Transport for All’, is actively opposing the government’s transport proposals. The draft Government Policy Statement (GPS) includes plans for higher fares for public transport, ...
Greater Wellington is inviting feedback on proposed changes to its Revenue and Financing Policy. The Revenue and Financing Policy covers the Council’s various sources of funding, and how the cost of services is shared across the region. This includes ...
Labour has conceded it could have done more to deal with disruptive state housing tenants while in government but says the current coalition is going too far. ...
The band has asked their record label to issue a cease and desist to stop the NZ First leader using their 1997 hit to support his ‘misguided political views’. “I get knocked down, but I get up again,” blared through the speakers on Sunday as Winston Peters took the stage ...
By Lydia Lewis, RNZ Pacific journalist Food rationing is underway in remote areas in Papua New Guinea’s Highlands following torrential rain and flash flooding. More than 20 people have been reported dead in Chimbu Province. In nearby Enga Province, the centre of last month’s massacre, a 15-year-old boy has been ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Andrew Hughes, Lecturer, Research School of Management, Australian National University After months of debate and intrigue, the AFL’s 19th and newest team, the Tasmania Devils, finally launched its jumper, logo and colours in Devonport this week. The Devils will wear green, ...
Brannavan Gnanalingam reviews the debut novel by Saraid de Silva.One of the most baffling things for children who move to a new country is what their parents’ (or grandparents’) lives were like prior to moving – for kids in particular, they’re too busy trying to fit in in their ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Stephen Gaunson, Associate Professor in Cinema Studies, RMIT University Narelle Portanier/Binge “If you don’t know who your mob are, you don’t know who you are,” Detective Andrea “Andie” Whitford (played by Leah Purcell) is told early into the new crime ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Elise Klein, Associate professor, Australian National University It’s commonly accepted that women do the vast majority of caregiving in Australian society. But less appreciated is that Indigenous women do larger amounts of unpaid care than any other group. Working with the Aboriginal ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Adrian Beaumont, Election Analyst (Psephologist) at The Conversation; and Honorary Associate, School of Mathematics and Statistics, The University of Melbourne Joe Biden and Donald Trump have both secured their parties’ nominations for the November 5 United States general election by winning a ...
Comment: There has been a striking contrast in trans-Tasman interest about Chinese foreign minister Wang Yi’s visit to New Zealand and Australia. While the Australian press has been full of articles about the visit – including his curious decision to meet with former prime minister and China booster Paul Keating ...
After years of pressuring banks and other institutions to stop investing in fossil fuels, climate campaigners are making some progress. So how does divestment work?For years, climate activists have been pushing banks and other big institutions to divest from fossil fuels. New research from climate advocacy group 350 Aotearoa ...
For Boba, Ethan and Ashley, K-pop is a place to belong, a way to express themselves, and a bridge to connect with others. The three young Polynesians are part of a K-pop fan community in Tāmaki Makaurau. It’s one of many that have sprung up worldwide as K-pop has gone ...
For Boba, Ethan and Ashley, K-pop is a place to belong, a way to express themselves, and a bridge to connect with others. This one-off documentary presents three intimate portraits of young Polynesians who are pulled into a Korean cultural phenomenon. K-POLYS is directed by Litia Tuiburelevu, Produced by Hex ...
There’s ample evidence demonstrating free school lunch programmes provide wide benefits across schools, households and communities according to public health researchers. ACT Minister David Seymour wants to reduce the spending on Aotearoa New Zealand’s ...
By Wata Shaw in Suva Fiji is facing an exodus of Fijians as many are leaving for overseas seeking employment and education and others are migrating, says Opposition MP Viliame Naupoto. Speaking in Parliament, he said: “His Excellency’s speech (Ratu Wiliame Katonivere) comes after a little over one year of ...
The Taxpayers’ Union is welcoming comments from Christopher Luxon this morning recommitting to ‘no new taxes’ as part of Budget 2024. “Mr Luxon’s refusal at the Post-Cabinet press conference yesterday to repeat the ‘no new taxes’ promise ...
SAFE is urgently calling on the Environment Committee to reject the Government’s Fast-Track Approvals Bill, and is urging New Zealanders to rally behind the call. The proposed Bill, currently under consideration with the Environment select committee, ...
Teammates who spend all their time picking fights with spectators are only helpful for the other team, writes Madeleine Chapman. Anyone who has ever played a team sport competitively, particularly as a child and particularly, for some reason, basketball, will know that there’s a lot of politics involved. While there ...
The long-running Wellington music festival is too focused on the Jim Beam-ness and not enough on the Homegrown-ness.There is something about Homegrown that’s difficult to place. A barely perceptible-ness. Like feeling a ghost is watching you from the corner of the room but when you look, there’s nothing there. ...
The latest Ipsos New Zealand Issues Monitor reveals that fewer New Zealanders believe crime / law and order is one of the top issues facing our country. In 2018, Ipsos New Zealand started tracking the key issues facing New Zealand. In this wave ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Kate Griffiths, Deputy Program Director, Budgets and Government, Grattan Institute Australia’s political donations rules are woefully inadequate, but donations reform is finally on the agenda. The federal government has signalled its interest in reform and will soon begin briefing MPs on its ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Mark Patrick Taylor, Chief Environmental Scientist, EPA Victoria; Honorary Professor, School of Natural Sciences, Macquarie University Naiyana Somchitkaeo/Shutterstock A recent study published in the prestigious New England Journal of Medicine has linked microplastics with risk to human health. The study ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Albert Van Dijk, Professor, Water and Landscape Dynamics, Fenner School of Environment & Society, Australian National University Global climate records were shattered in 2023, from air and sea temperatures to sea-level rise and sea-ice extent. Scores of countries recorded their hottest year ...
As part of our series exploring how New Zealanders live and our relationship with money, a teacher explains why he and his partner are in frugal mode – and how they’re making it work. Gender: Male Age: 35Ethnicity: Pākehā Role: I am an intermediate school teacher and my partner is ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Sarah Bendall, Senior Lecturer, Institute for Humanities and Social Sciences, Australian Catholic University Binge Mary & George, the new British television drama series, depicts the real-life story of Mary Villiers and her son George, and their social climbing at the ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Jason Nassios, Associate Professor, Centre of Policy Studies, Victoria University This article is part of The Conversation’s series examining the housing crisis. Read the other articles in the series here. Australian state and federal governments spend money in many ways to ...
The finance minister is denying that there’s a $5.6b shortfall in paying for the government’s campaign promises, including tax cuts. At his post-cabinet press conference yesterday, the PM refused to rule out new taxes to pay for the cuts, writes Anna Rawhiti-Connell in this excerpt from The Bulletin, The Spinoff’s ...
Kāinga Ora tenants abused by their neighbours are doubting the government's crackdown on disruptive tenants will make a difference on their behaviour. ...
Kāinga Ora is New Zealand’s biggest residential landlord, housing more than 180,000 vulnerable people in more than 67,000 properties. Yesterday the government announced a crackdown on its tenants who fall behind on rent. One longtime Kāinga Ora tenant shares her experience.For 18 years I lived in a 1960s standalone ...
Why does this myth persist, and what’s the real reason our skin is suffering?It’s one of the biggest international grievances New Zealanders hold, up there with the sinking of the Rainbow Warrior and 1981’s underarm incident. We’re quick to tell international travellers that the world’s pollution led to the ...
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Bob’s relationship with certain members of Lincoln’s academic staff continued to deteriorate in the 1990s. Others supported him publicly, though articles such as Roland Clark’s 1993 piece in Growing Today cannot have pleased the university management. Clark wrote that Bob was selling onions from the Biological Husbandry Unit to a ...
SailGP’s races feature in-your-face action, with agile, hydro-foiling catamarans tacking and jibing for the title over several days. However, public comments ahead of the global series’ return to New Zealand have left this past year’s controversy in the shadows, as a key appointment attracts criticism from dolphin advocates. A year ...
Opinion: We are fast approaching a fundamental change in prisons. As the number of people on custodial remand looks set to overtake the number of sentenced prisoners, the main function of prisons in New Zealand may become incarcerating un-sentenced people who may not be guilty of offending. We have already ...
A huge seven months lies in store for the White Ferns, beginning this week with the visit of England and culminating with the T20 World Cup in Bangladesh in September and October. Starting on Tuesday in Dunedin, the world ranked No. 2 visitors will play five T20s and three ODIs, ...
Opinion: In a move that has shocked road safety advocates across the country, the new Minister of Transport, Simeon Brown, is poised to abandon the previous government’s speed limit reduction policy, particularly around schools. Even more alarmingly, he wants school speed limits to be variable rather than full-time, arguing ...
Auckland Council is opposing a fast-track development backed by Sir John Kirwan and Spark NZ, because it doesn’t meet stringent new climate adaptation requirements The post Surf-data centre faces new 3.8C climate warming rules appeared first on Newsroom. ...
When the Criminal Proceeds (Recovery) Act was introduced in 2009 it was firmly targeted at gangs and drugs. The legislation means police no longer need a conviction to seize assets that criminals can’t prove were paid for legitimately, as long as their alleged offences are punishable by more than a ...
The letters, which were published last week, were addressed to Indonesian Democratic Party of Struggle (PDI-P) Chairperson Megawati Sukarnoputri, National Democrat Party (NasDem) Chairperson Surya Paloh, National Awakening Party (PKB) Chairperson Muhaimin Iskandar, Justice and Prosperity Party (PKS) President Ahmad Syaikhu and United Development Party (PPP) Chairperson Muhammad Mardiono. In ...
Evicting more people from state housing is ignorant to the consequences of poverty, the Greens say, but the Housing Minister says it's a privilege that can be taken away if abused. ...
Evicting more people from state housing is ignorant to the consequences of poverty, the Greens say, but the Housing Minister says it's a privilege that can be taken away if abused. ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Emerald L King, Lecturer in Humanities, University of Tasmania IMDB Between Netflix’s 2023 live-action version of One Piece, and its latest take on Avatar: The Last Airbender, fans are once again asking: why are live-action anime adaptations so tricky to ...
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I may have missed someone else posting this reference, but it is very powerful and moving stuff. Similar results to NZ banks and the swaps fiasco.
I understand David Pascoe is an equine vet who writes a regular blog.
http://keworganics.com.au/an-open-letter-to-the-australian-people-by-dr-david-pascoe/
Wow. Just wow.
Powerfully written and very sobering.
Reading that and thinking of a future coming to ‘you’, if ‘you’ happen to be a NZ dairy farm owner.
The return of feudalism.
That was sickening. I had no idea things were anywhere near that bad.
+100 Dan1…very moving
…where is Winnie?
Thnks for that truly amazing.
http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/279239/school-policy-could-bring-major-to-funding
I suspect that Nationals new policy around education, specifically “Community of Schools” is National’s very cunning way of closing schools by stealth.
Isnt going to happen in our area!
Bird call of the day on Radio New Zealand is Kereru …
Speaking of Kereru…looks like Sonny Tau now has an out. He was merely picking up and deliverying the birds for a Government Minister who has acquired a taste.
Speaking of Radio New Zealand…..someone seems to have taken the edge off the morning presenters.
Much less of the incisive, insistent interviews (with our household cheering them on) and more of a ‘wee chat’ approach. ( Although Mr. Little did get a grilling….funny that.)
Oh dear….where will we get our news from now?
“Bird call of the day on Radio New Zealand is Kereru …”
Is it making a karking kind of sound?
@ mickysavage – Yes I noticed that one too, just before the 7am news bulletin this morning. The call of the Kereru. Irony or what? Rubbing it in to NatzKEY perhaps?
But the Dame (Turia) says it’s OK for elders to eat the bird for special occasions! OK to break one’s own cultural rules then is it Ms Turia?
+100 mary_a…the credibility of an opportunist
An Open Letter to Britain’s Leading Violent Extremist: David Cameron
July 20, 2015
This open letter to the Prime Minister is published by INSURGE INTELLIGENCE, a new crowd-funded investigative journalism project.
Dear Prime Minister David Cameron,
It is with deep disappointment that I read excerpts of your speech provided by Downing Street to the press, purporting to set out a five-year strategy to tackle fundamentalist terrorism, which — whatever its intentions — is thoroughly misguided, and destined to plunge this country, as well as the Middle East, into further chaos and misery.
I am writing this open letter to request you, as a matter of urgency, to abide by your obligations as a human being, a British citizen, a Member of Parliament, and as our Prime Minister: to undertake proper due-diligence in the formulation of Britain’s foreign, counter-terrorism and security policies, based on the vast array of evidence from scientific and academic studies of foreign policy, terrorism and radicalisation, rather than the influence of far-right extremist ideology, and of narrow vested interest groups keen to profit from war and fear.
…..
Your war, Prime Minister, is a farce.
You, more than any other British citizen, are complicit in the rise of ISIS, and the radicalisation of a minority of Britons. You have helped create the militant groups which, you rightly acknowledge, are murdering not just Westerners, but Muslims in Iraq, Syria and beyond.
The only people that will benefit from all this are giant defence contractors, many of which are closely connected to your party, and which hold overbearing counter-democratic influence on your foreign policy.
https://medium.com/insurge-intelligence/an-open-letter-to-britain-s-leading-violent-extremist-david-cameron-abb568861784
+100 ….good points Morrissey…the British might well ask themselves …and many have …who has driven a terrorist backlash?
….and is Cameron now going to take Britain into a fascist democracy shutdown? …where people can not speak out?
Oh no. Who was it here yesterday that said: “The worst PR advice there is, is to try to dig yourself out of a hole with your mouth.”
Over on Phil Quin’s blog, the president of the Labour Party has sent an email reply to Quin’s resignation letter that says he’d target Singaporeans, and Germans too, if he had to. With all their digging, I think Labour just burrowed their way out the other side of the Earth – without reaching China first.
New headlines: “Labour Would Target Germans.”
Advice for Labour: Before you say anything else, or develop any more policy or media releases or speeches, have a read of the Human Rights Act and the Bill of Rights Act and if anything in your rhetoric can’t get through those existing legal filters/guidelines, don’t say it, don’t do it, just stop and think about it for a bit.
You didn’t provide a link, but did he really say “If I had to”?!
Cause like, it’s all ‘the Chinese’ innit?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y7hTroZaxsY
I knew it! What Labour are really doing is digging a hole to the other side of the world so that the Chinese have better and more direct access! We’ve been fooled (and not for the first time).
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Okay. Found it. Fuck me!
So trawling through surnames and assigning a country of origin or ethnicity to people on the basis of those names is all about (to quote the Labour Party President) “consider(ing) the potential impact of those assets and investment on New Zealand housing ownership, or, indeed, on other aspects of our economy”
I can’t for the life of me see the connection between finger pointing and analysis, but hey.
Oh. And there is no need to look at any other overseas investment because the other overseas investment isn’t the dominant overseas investment.
Here’s the link for others. http://www.philquin.com/blog/2015/7/20/nigel-haworths-revealing-rebuttal
In searching for that particular blog post, I read some others and I have to say, that in spite of Quin’s reputation of being perhaps a bit of a fuckwit on a number of issues, on this one he’s absolutely bang on the money.
edit: I should add that if Labour were claiming they’d name trawled to get some idea of the wider picture, as in attempting to get some idea, no matter how rough, of the extent of broader overseas investment, then at a stretch…maybe. But to categorically rule out any and all other sources of overseas investment as being problematic…wow.
And this is the same Labour Party which sold off shit loads of NZ stuff to foreign investors – Australians and Americans – or watched it happen without proposing to ban foreign ownership of our power companies, or our telecom companies.
Rank vote gubbing hypocrisy from Labour.
It’s possible that they’ve finally learned that they’ve been wrong for the last thirty years and are now starting to look to undo the damage that they’ve done over that time.
I think it more likely they are on an opportunistic vote grab.
You don’t see them floating a ban on foreign ownership of NZ companies, do you.
It wasn’t.
Unfortunately, no but they are talking about restrictions that can easily lead to a full ban.
+100 DTB
Just to save others getting to the actual content of Haworths letter
here it is copied from Quins site.
. Anyway, Nigel Haworth, the party’s president, wrote to me. This is the crux of his argument:
To refer to Chinese purchasers in such an analysis is not racist. Given, as others have also pointed out, that China is today engaged in massive international investment, much of it strategic, and is also the home of vast, and increasingly mobile, cash assets, it is right and proper for New Zealand to consider the potential impact of those assets and investment on New Zealand housing ownership, or, indeed, on other aspects of our economy. If it were Singaporean. or German or other investment that seemed to be dominant, it would be equally proper to name its source economy (for example, much as has been done since the Second World War in relation to US investment flows).
So Bill , NO he didn’t say “If I Had to”
Racism seems to be well misunderstood.
I give big ups to the doorman in this article who withstood abuse of a very nasty kind and still managed to retain his mana and dignity.
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11484148
+1 Marty – I saw the piece on the news, the doorman and his workmates managed to stay very calm and measured during a vile tirade of abuse.
Well, one of the skills of that job is to realise that the dickheads don’t particularly mean what they say. 99% of that Swayze film Roadhouse was bullshit, but this little exchange was spot on:
I generally found it boring more than anything else. Although one funny thing is that after the initial refusal of entry they’d call me all sorts of stuff, and 30s later they were going “aww mate, do us a favour”. They almost never got it the right way around. But usually I’d just sort of tune it out (beyond listening for relevant information) and really only look for a pre-assault indicator. Which almost never happened compared to the amount of verbal thrown.
That’s awful stuff, marty. I certainly agree that racism isn’t well understood by some people (the last ten days have shown that all too well). The reflex reaction to call anything racist without looking at the underlying issues or context is probably a modern malaise. It’s PC gone mad etc.
I’d also wonder if the male in the video is affected not just by alcohol, but by the sense of power and authority he gets from being a paid benefit bouncer for WINZ. When you spend your days licensed to show contempt for people, that can definitely affect your thinking after hours as well.
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So what you are sayig is that because you found something way more blatently racist that makes the Chinese data OK?
I am not saying what Labour did was racist but the people it targeted seem to feel that way. Intent means a lot. However there are a lot of people who truely belive they are not racist. They just don’t understand that their actions and words paint a different picture.
The data is OK because the data is OK. As marty’s example shows, some people think just about any situation is an opportunity to go OTT. Good point about intent, btw.
The data was not OK. To quote Keith Ng:
“The method is fine, the data is broken, and those problems render it unscientific and utterly useless. Not sound. Not robust. Not accurate.”
The data was fine. It was the actual record of the sales of the largest real estate company in AK. Nothing changes that fact.
The analysis, on the other hand …
And Keith Ng is completely and utterly wrong on the data. You couldn’t get better data.
The point was that it is the BEST data that is currently available because it is the only data that indicates where the money for residential properties is coming from. Therefore there is no better data.
The only other statistical data around just shows that the money for the higher total values of property sales isn’t coming from banks. It could be coming from socks as far as we can currently tell.
Keith Ng is talking crap – unless he can show a source of data that allows a similar type of analysis about money sources for purchasing residential properties.
At the earliest that won’t apparently happen until October, which will probably be catastrophic for our economy. By the sounds of Nationals posturing any data and analysis from that will not be public.
How exactly does the name list identify whereabouts money is coming from – onshore or offshore? From residents or from non-residents? As far as I can see, it does no such thing.
How on earth can you attack his critique of the name list data based on whether or not Keith can access other sets of data? How would hypothetical access to other sets of data be relevant to Keith’s critique of the name list data?
How can you tell if the name list data covering just 3 months is representative of the proceeding 24 or 36 months? Perhaps the snapshot over-represents activity by people with Chinese sounding names. Perhaps it under-represents activity by people with Chinese sounding names.
Indeed it doesn’t.
It merely illustrates that if both the real estate data and the names-ethnicity data reflect the same domestic population, then a single subgroup of that population that is significantly less well off than the population median and is otherwise statistically unremarkable also appears to purchase houses at something like six times the rate of any other subgroup, the disparity accounting for something like a third of the real estate dataset. Even if that accounted for 100% of the market activity of that subgroup, the disparity is around threefold.
Given global economic conditions compared to local economic conditions, the represented disparity at the very least least strongly indicates that we should be measuring overseas property ownership to rule out whether sovereignty issues could become a problem in the moderate to near future.
As Cullen said, this data should have been collected years ago. The name list doesn’t make a difference in that.
Actually, it’s the main reason msm are talking about it now, rather than hoping for the best with the nats’ ird-number plan.
The word is statistically. The whole point about statistics is that it is a branch of maths for dealing rigorously with error.
Keith keeps pointing to error. He knows that error in itself is damn well measurable. So far he hasn’t pointed to any error that wasn’t pointed out and dealt with in the analysis from Labour, presumably from Ron Salmond. Sure it isn’t physics, but what is these days? Physics is mostly stats now.
I didn’t. What I asked was where he knew of any better data. I am pretty confident that at present there isn’t anything better at elucidating or debunking the property purchase issues that Labour pointed out. If someone wants to be critical about data then they need to present something to back their criticisms.
The ONLY way you can be as absolutely sure of error as Keith is being is if he had a better data set. Where is it? The lack of it means that his attacks on the error in this data is in my mind (to put it mildly) complete crap.
Sure the data isn’t the best. It covers a mere 3 months covering 45% of the sales from the largest real estate company in Auckland. But the risks of poor data are measurable. There is no way that you can look at a sample size of 45% and think at a statistically or a business level that it is likely to have the kinds of crappy confidence levels that Keith has been trying to suggest.
B&T have been the largest real estate company across the whole of Auckland for my adult life. And I spent my life dealing with private industries in both local and vertical international markets.
Large local companies damn well don’t get to be the largest in any local market by being a specialist as Keith appears to have been suggesting they could be. It is extremely unlikely that for those 3 months Barfoot and Thompson fundamentally changed their business of the 35 years that I have been aware of them. They cover everything….
It it’d been Ray White or Crockers who do specialise more, then there might have been some validity in that argument. But the lower percentages of the total sales would have been more of a problem.
It is highly likely that the data extracted from B&T represents those 3 months of real estate sales in Auckland pretty well because it was 45% of the sales of Auckland from the realtor that is literally everywhere across our local market.
And I don’t know of any reason why those three months were different. I have been keeping track of Auckland real estate since 2012, including during those three months. We knew when we moved back into my apartment, that we’d want a bigger place eventually. So we keep looking to see what is there, through agents, trademe, and turning up at open homes and sites.
Nothing much has changed in the local market since mid 2012 where I look. The supply has gotten slightly better, prices have risen at a pretty steady 25% pa, there appear to be no signs of it changing that every moderately affordable apartment is being built for yuppie flatmates and renting out, and the number of places getting sold cheaply because of leaky home damage has been steadily diminishing. I’d be interested if anyone could point to anything that says things have changed in Auckland, because I haven’t seen anything that says it has.
You’d need real data rather than the frigging barrister style arguments in your comment to convince me that this data is different to the reality. I see it every third weekend. That kind of bullshit arguments is something that you use for politicians and the credulous rather than engineers.
On the other side, I have used these kinds of lists of names for doing canvassing. I have used them for targeting and prediction. Being a rather paranoid programmer, I analyse validity of anything that I use as a matter of course. With this kind of info, both from thousands of direct tests of data and indirectly via stats. I did so for the every set of the data, including name data for local Labour. I’d bet that some of Salmond’s name data derives from that. And being of a practical bent, I’m far less inclined to trust pure stats that Salmond is…
Like many other factors, names are not particularly useful for predicting individuals. You need a multiplicity of factors overlapping an individual and some history to get that to moderately high levels. But they are extremely accurate for correlations between sets in a population.
They are certainly good enough for doing reasonably accurate statistical estimates. Especially when you are merely looking for large differences between two population groups as Rob Salmond did. Unless people were busily deliberately lying to their realtor – (which seems quite unlikely – and indicates a different problem if it did), there is a massive difference visible between two populations.
Now I have no particular stake in this as I haven’t touched any canvassing systems for quite some time, and to be frank I really don’t have the damn time. But some of the complete drivel from intelligent people over the last week is just pissing me off.
Keith is one of those. I have read what he has written on this subject, and he hasn’t managed to convince me that he knows what he talking about here. It looks more like wishful thinking.
Sure I’d like to see better data. But at present and until at least October (unless the realtors release some information voluntarily) this is what we have.
To me it looks like Auckland and the rest of NZ has a bloody urgent economic problem, and one that I didn’t suspect was quite so severe until Labour released this (and I’d had time to think it over).
That is because I suspect that the overflows from the Asian markets are just the largest part of the foreign investment seeking large returns in the local property bubble. By an accident of history, it just happens to be the bit that is most easily analysed against the local population.
My back of the envelope calcs seem to indicate that if we do have that size of speculative bubble with so many from offshore trying not to be the last holding the hot potato, when it does crunch, there is going to be a whole lot of working cash ripped from the local economy fast as turnover plummet hard. I think that will be worse than anything I have ever seen.
Perhaps Keith should turn his usually excellent mind towards that issue.
Thanks Iprent for putting the record straight. Data is data is Data……..
Opinions , now that is a different matter.
Indeed. I always try to make clear the difference between data and my opinions.
Pluto is made of cheese. If you think this is wrong, you are obliged to provide better data. Otherwise, “Pluto is made of cheese” is the best data available, therefore is must be true.
Your logic is bad. Not having a substitute does not make the “next best alternative” true or meaningful.
He has a thousand qualifications. How many do you have?
wtf?
But better data has long since been provided for Pluto’s surface and probable inner structures since Clyde Tombaugh located it in the 1930s. But I don’t think that even children thought it was ever made of cheese. Perhaps you are thinking about the moon?
This data from Barfoot and Thompson and analysed by Labour looks to me like it is statistically valid. I’ve done this particular kind of analysis before in several areas. It is likely to have a error rate of less than 10%. It is a 3 month slice of previously opaque behaviour. Sure it’d be nice to have more data to fine tune the confidence.
But I’ll take market hints from anything that solid when the alternative is anecdote, unsubstantiated theory or supposition.
What it shows is that we appear to have a self-referential property bubble in Auckland with overseas money playing ponzi games of hot potato.
It is probably happening far wider than what can be conservatively statistically inferred for this data. For instance, I can’t think of a reason why Europeans wouldn’t be involved via property companies. It’d suit their kind of portfolio attitudes to markets. I can’t see the US citizens getting into it too much. They have enough growing economic areas to invest in at present.
When someone gets burnt as the music stops, those holding from offshore will be left with the costs. But it’d likely to be relatively low risk as they just hold until they can exit without major loss. But they are just playing the odds of really low returns at low risks against high returns at higher risks. This one is for them medium risks for high returns. Property in rapidly growing cities holds value.
In the case of local purchasers who have to live where they work, they will probably catch the potato when local interest rates rise even a bit, or they have a employment problem, or the value of the property drops below the mortgage level. They are likely doing it with a excessive mortgage that leaves bugger all room for risk and relies on too much luck.
But the abrupt stop in incoming investment flows will also hit a lot further out into jobs (especially casual and part-time retail, distribution, and services) when people start pulling back on spending as they feel poorer. Expect all of those recent real estate people flooding back into the job market along with their baristas, nannies, car-groomers and the like.
The sooner it gets stopped or controlled (like all ponzi schemes), the less damage it causes here.
But try to ignore the data because of an ideological point? That simply isn’t going to happen. It is real data. It will be factored all of the way through the local market by now.
For instance it tells me there really isn’t any point for me to keep looking around for a larger apartment for the moment. The prices don’t reflect shortage so much as offshore speculation, so there is more than likely going to be a good bust. I already have a place. I can wait for it.
If you want to be a petulant child playing wave the cheese games like you have been doing for the last week – then go ahead. It really doesn’t add anything useful to dealing with the real issue of this hot potato and stopping the next one anyway….
+1 aleph-null
The data is okay? How many ‘Lees’ were assigned as Chinese? How many of those were deemed to be resident?
The data collection was a bit like gathering information on random green stuff that grew out the ground and taking a punt on how much of that green stuff was grass. (Sure, they put in some parameters that filtered out trees…maybe bushes too.)
“How many ‘Lees’ were assigned as Chinese?”
40% of them, according to Rob’s detailed post explaining his methodology where he acknowledged that Lee is also a very common European surname.
“How many of those were deemed to be resident?”
That conclusion was not drawn. The only conclusion they reached is that 9% of Auckland appear to be ethnic Chinese based on the census, and from their analysis 40% of the house buyers from a agency covering 45% of sales in a 3 month period appeared to be ethnic Chinese.
The most likely explanation for the significant (4x) difference in the proportions is that non-resident ethnic Chinese are buying houses in Auckland.
But that is not a conclusion, only the most likely explanation from the analysis of the available data. Other explanations are possible, and many of them will contribute to some of the discrepancy more than others (for example, maybe it was just that time of year, there are more new Chinese immigrants than other ethnicities, Chinese may prefer this real estate company over others, etc).
Quite simple, really.
Would resident ethnic Chinese people buying investment properties not also be part of the picture?
What it comes down to is whether the Labour Party wanted to highlight and focus on money specifically coming from China, or whether they have a genuine concern on overseas money and were just stupidly using rough ‘Chinese related’ data to get an indication of the larger picture while unbelievably ignoring hard data that was available.
http://thestandard.org.nz/national-doesnt-know-what-its-doing-on-foreign-buyers/#comment-1047743
The first is obvious dogshit for a whole host of reasons. And from the Labour Party president’s response to Quin, the latter is of no concern…
http://www.philquin.com/blog/2015/7/20/nigel-haworths-revealing-rebuttal
Yes, it would be part of the picture, I did say “etc” in my list of examples.
It is perhaps the biggest one factor. But there’s not much to back up that as a theory either – why should Chinese be so much more into housing investment than other ethnicities? Rob’s data shows that they make up 5% of those on incomes over $50,000, in other words they make up a smaller share of high-income earners than their overall makeup (9%) would suggest.
What about those over $200,000 pa. Those are the people able to buy Auckland investment properties. Not the saps on between $50K and $100K pa.
So, the straw that you’re grasping for is that ~1% of the resident Chinese descended population are buying 400 times more housing than others?
Doesn’t have to be descendents. Could be recent immigrants with overseas money.
The 1% has a pretty good shot at owning more wealth than the bottom 90%
the saps between 50 – 100k? labours target vote market being denigrated for not earning enough to be truly loathed but earning to much to be considered “true” working class. arsehole
That was accounted for.
Rob also did more analysis to arrive at the hypothesis that foreign chinese buyers accounted for the difference in apparent buyers and apparent residents. He did also look at ethnic Indian last names and noted that there was only a 3% (ish) difference in apparent purchase and apparent resident proportions (9% oh buyers vs 6% of population.) Rob Salmond’s analysis was better than the one put forward by Labour and he made the point better that there was no real data and so surnames were the only proxy they had to actual data.
/facepalm
Rob Salmond’s analysis was the one put forward by Labour.
I initially read it the way you did, but what I think You Fool means is that Rob actually had a comprehensive analysis, and Labour didn’t publish the whole thing, and chose instead to focus on aspects of it.
For example, on The Nation, Twyford never mentioned the comparative Indian name analysis that Rob did.
Trying to keep it simple I imagine. We’re always complaining Labour make policies/issues too complicated for the average voter. And that includes some media reporters like the (knee) jerk, Patrick Gower.
One of the things that you find out when you are around a film maker, obvious in retrospect, is that the story line for an onscreen feature length film should be about the length of a short short story if it has a lot of dialogue in it.
It’d have to be shortened of course because otherwise it will look like characters are gibbering idiots.
The amount of information you can push across in film is far greater than you can write in words. But less than most novelists has in a single chapter.
Same problem with something like The Nation. You read a transcript and they are shorter than some of my posts 🙂 And someone being interviewed gets something like a tenth of that if they are extremely lucky.
I got a lot less interested in TV news / current affairs once I realised that. Sure I can read body language. But it involves spending a lot of time waiting for it. Or I can read what people write.
Getting Twyford to explain the other tests that would have been done on the data would have meant that he wasn’t able to explain what they found that was so interesting 😈
I suspect that it wasn’t even so much as 40% of individuals being “labelled”, more as ethnicities being given a final score based on weightings of the names, i.e. an index like CPI rather than an outright count. And then the indices were scaled to cumulatively add up to 100, and there’s your “percentage”.
That’s how I’d consider doing it at first blush, anyway.
Thanks L , simple for you, but not for some of the others that are commenting in the MSM & here on TS sadly, or are they just trying to keep the muddy waters stirred?
Oh FFS. Maybe some revision on basic statistics is required.
None of them were “assigned” as individual people or a family. That appears to be your fundamental misunderstanding, deliberate or otherwise.
As a group with the family name “Lee” each data record would given a probability of being Chinese, a probability of being Korean, a probability of being European, and probably probabilities for several other categories as well – including something like “we have no idea”. So was every other unique family name.
There is a relatively constrained set of family names used in any country including NZ by cultural group, and the data is “conservative” as the name generally travels through many generations. This kind of data is usually tested by getting people from each culture picking out the more common names in their culture and then tested by getting people to self-identify to get the probabilities.
As an analytical technique it is pretty accurate. >90% and usually >95% for many cultural groups even in a society that mixes as much as ours does over a century.
Sure there is inaccuracy in it.
However it doesn’t apply tags to individuals in the way that you seem to think it does. What this kind of analysis looking for is statistical groups rather than trying to pick out individuals. It is exactly the same kind of analysis what the stats department does with the 5 year censuses and the monthly or quarterly data that goes out across the country. They break it down into statistical groups all over the place,.
That was applied to the set of data of property sales to get a set of probabilities for possible correlations for the whole data set.
To one degree or another, that is how statistics, all parts of physical sciences, and most parts of the social sciences operate where there are big enough data sets. They don’t concern themselves with individual bits of data. They concern themselves with probabilities and correlations.
The whole point about statistics is that you don’t have to sample whole populations to get accurate results. You can sample smaller samples to get close to the results of the fully accurate whole population. Samples can be quite small compared to large populations. That is the basis of most polling, which is usually accurate within a few percent of the population result (of course these days a few percent either way in an election is usually the difference – but that is because parties balance around that point).
That is all straight forward and the analysis of the correlations is rigorous enough in the absence of any better data and the difference in size between the correlations.
The next stage is to look for causation for high probability correlations.
Labour have pointed out the obvious causation for the huge difference between the percentages of family name segments of the population as a whole and those buying houses during this period. That is what you an many others appear to be having an issue with.
So far I haven’t seen any alternate explanations that make any sense apart from imported overseas investment money. The money isn’t getting borrowed from local banks. It appears to be large enough to drive the kinds of crazy 25+% per annum house price increases that we have seen since 2011.
What it seems to identify compared to previous economic research as recent as 2013 is that we are rapidly hitting the point where Auckland house prices are largely caused by overseas investment money buying property from other overseas investors.
At about 40% it is freaking high, but even worse is that it appears to be rising rapidly. That it has nothing to do with the real economic value of the land or properties themselves to our economy. That means that it will therefore almost certainly cause a nasty economic crash that will reverberate throughout the rest of NZ. Bearing in mind our current fragile economic state, that is something worth actually worrying about, and one that bears considerable real-world consequences.
You notice that what Labour actually asked for was to get some immediate data collection and analysis going on in the area of foreign investment in property? Seems rather mild compared to what I think is actually needed.
Probably because we have people worrying about how statistics data is collected and analysed for reasons that seem to owe more to the thoughts of Lysenko than anything vaguely rational.
Just looks like a whole pile of avoidance behaviour to me. Probably with the kinds of downstream consequences of that exercise of group thinking.
No Lynn. That’s not what I have a problem with. They could have harvested data and tried to draw inferences from it. No problem. But to then stand up and point to a single ethnic group as being responsible for people being unable to buy houses, yeah…that’s where the problem comes up.
They could have done their wee exercise with ‘Chinese sounding’ surnames – flawed or unflawed as it may be – and announced that there was a foundation to assume that overseas money was causing problems. But they didn’t. They dog-whistled on an easily (mis) identifiable ethnic minority.
For Christ’s sake look at the history for Chinese living in NZ! It ain’t flash. And acknowledge that Asians ain’t high on the list of people that Pakeha feel well disposed towards. Throw in a major political party giving people reason to further resent an already fairly maligned part of NZ society and reflect to yourself on how good an idea that might be.
They could have made some general statement about overseas money and subsequently broken it down and pointed to the preponderance of money seemingly coming in from China. But they didn’t.
And to cap it all, we’re now hearing that Labour don’t actually give a toss about overseas money, but just that overseas money that’s originating in China. It’s fucked.
edit – you do not ever dress up an economic problem in ethnic garb – never.
I agree that there may have been better ways of handling it. Damned if I think what they would have been…
Imagine that they did it exactly how you suggest…
And then I’d imagine that Keith Ng and I would have been on exactly the same side of this debate – asking what in the hell the basis of that foundation because they hadn’t published any details. An analysis without any clear and transparent basis is just idiotic propaganda. Something that only fools would believe.
At best we’d have ignored it. At worst, I and most of the online commentators would have been tearing (metaphorically) a Labour spokesperson’s head off for extreme stupidity and getting between the left and an election victory.
Staging it would have had exactly the same result as now. For the reason outlined above, the pressure to say why would have appalling. After the reason forced out of Labour, I’d have been tearing….. For that matter so would have you for a variety of reasons.
I agree with all of that. But they’d get hit just as hard as anyone else with the consequences of a bursting real estate bubble of the size of what appears to be inflating.
The *only* choices that I can see for Labour would have been to not publish at all. In which case I’d ask what bloody use are they as an opposition to this pack of economic fuckwits in government, or to publish explaining what they’d found.
They took the responsible latter course. Because we damn well need to know about this issue. I had no idea that we were getting into the investor tail-biting stage this damn far in Auckland. It *could* be a blip. But that seems damn unlikely.
Where is that? Haven’t seen anything about it yet.
QFT
It’s what I’ve been thinking since the get go. Labour had to publish the results else anything that they said on the matter would have been written off as BS.
Unfortunately, the people who’ve been indoctrinated into Identity Politics immediately jumped on it as racist and won’t let that go no matter how much you show that it had nothing to do with racism. It was, and is, merely data and an analysis of that data showing trends that we need to do something about.
“the people who’ve been indoctrinated into Identity Politics ”
God your an idiot – spelling mistake aside.
When have any of us said the data was racist? It was and will always be the fubar presentation which was, and is the problem.
I called her bitch. She said I was being misogynistic. I pointed out to her that what I said had nothing to do with misogyny but she, daft bint, wouldn’t let it go.
Correspondence from NZ Labour Party president to Phil Quin.
http://www.philquin.com/blog/2015/7/20/nigel-haworths-revealing-rebuttal
The whole thing should be read.
On the rest of it, as I linked to last night and again this morning, (again in this comment) David Hood had already done work that would appear to show a flood of foreign money coming in. Labour could have used that and other available data.
http://thestandard.org.nz/national-doesnt-know-what-its-doing-on-foreign-buyers/#comment-1047743
As for what they (Labour) did do and their framing, there’s a fuck of a difference between saying “There’s foreign money skewing the market…and by the way,as expected given the current configuration of global capital, a lot of it appears to be coming in from China.” and “There’s a lot of Chinese money skewing the market.”
The former makes a statement and, handled appropriately, would only offer somewhat neutral, further detail. The latter is a dog-whistle in that it encourages peoples’ already existing prejudices.
Note: the italics is a late edit. Point is, the ethnic angle could have been neutralised instead of being played on.
And it was what I referred to. They did point out exactly those same facts over and over and over again. Macro-economic data is pretty useless at pinpointing where money is coming from.
It is an money based economic analysis that showed relatively small amounts that are indistinguishable from people actually owning their own properties, shifting money from other investments, or pulling it out of socks in NZ.
It is an economic analysis. About half of the measures I have ever looked at over time for those have flaws of data collection and rarely survive for more than 15 years without and abrupt judder in what data is collected.
Quite simply moneys biggest asset is that it is portable. It moves between investments. It does it without a lot of trace.
Besides, have you actually read what David Hood actually said. He has the effect of that type of information nailed.
http://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-house-buying-patterns-in-auckland/?p=343419#post343419
Indeed… I can testify to that.
Just read the mind-bending contortions of that numerical apologist David Farrar over many years and go Indeed….
Or in the case of a blog like this, you stop writing about topics that have ever diminishing numbers of people reading and commenting on because they clearly have (like me) gotten tired of pointing out the obvious. Which is why David Hood’s last graph ends at Q2 2013, and I haven’t written posts explaining basics of climate change in years.
Which is what those types of calculations go on all of the time, but really only cross the minds of a few people playing with lots of money.
However if you can pretty conclusively say that for 3 months that 3 out of 10 houses brought in Auckland were sold to foreign owners, you will get wide attention. It will mostly be of the type that says “how do you know”. And you have to explain because otherwise it will change to “lying politicians”. And then… Well
Ok I have already explained that. Quite simply you cannot treat people as being daft living polps who will accept what a politician says. We are way too well-educated to believe them. You have to explain EXACTLY how you analysed it.
Which is what David Hood is pointing out. If the path between what people observe themselves and where the data is collected, then it has an impact. If you have to give them a university education in economics then it is not.
Should be pretty obvious. And this is something that authors on this site has been pointing out since 2007 in the tail of the last rises, and at the start of this one on 2010 and since.
Why not make the story about overseas ownership of land in general throughout NZ, then they could have talked about multiple nationalities? Part 2, highlight the areas needing urgent action (eg Auckland).
My take is that Labour don’t see overseas ownership as a problem until it becomes an economic one. It doesn’t matter if NZers can’t afford houses, until there is a housing crisis. I’m not being stupid there. If overseas money was providing enough rental properties in Auckland so that everyone had somewhere affordable to live, would Labour care about who owns what?
Did you actually read what Lynn(sp?) said? Specifically:
I’m not suggesting that Labour do that though.
In answer to your first para, I’m pretty well convinced by now that they didn’t do that because some really fucking turned on types reckoned they had a bit of a draw card on the voting front with the ethnic angle.
Thankfully, it seems to have fallen flat. And now Labour get to reap the fruits of this shit they’ve sown. I suspect that the Greens going up by 3% is only a beginning. Labour’s going to bleed in all directions over the medium to long term.
And still they dig…
That’s exactly what you’re demanding that they do.
“That’s exactly what you’re demanding that they do.”
Fuck off Draco. I think I have a damn sight better idea of what I mean than you do.
weka: I couldn’t even estimate to the nearest hundred how many posts we have done on the subject of the risks of overseas ownership and investment over the years. The majority were probably triggered from something that Labour raised, some from the greens, and some from NZF.
You have to remember that generally I agree with overseas investment in NZ. Just as I do with having immigration or trade agreements. I usually disagree with the posts (except on the FTTA – I don’t like restraint of trade or that level of secrecy).
But too much of anything is an issue. Too much immigration in a hit (like too little) causes all kinds of problems. I always remember helping out with some of the code for estimating school classroom needs in the next decade and seeing what the immigration demographic changes did to the models.
It is the volume of foreign investment that is an issue.
The economy gets “used” to it. But that kind of money literally has the whole world to move to. The problem will happen when its flow just stops one day.
Think of it as a large supply of free icecream that we didn’t know about (we thought they were just getting the odd sweets) and the Auckland local market as a kid ecstatically living off it. Then one day it just stops. The pain is going to be huge here because it will take it quite some time to live on carrots again.
For Auckland and the rest of NZ, it is likely to be worse than the effects on us of the GFC.
Coming back at this just so I am sure I’m getting you right. Labour were responsible in doing what they have done, in spite of all the associated negatives? Ends justify the means then? I can’t agree with that approach, but hey.
All ethnicities are going to be hit by a housing bubble bursting, so singling out Chinese in the meantime is okay – collateral damage?
Well, I’ll be riveted to Labour’s proposals for average to low earners and renters. See, none of those people (Chinese Kiwi or otherwise) will be hit negatively by a bursting bubble. And for those richer types who will have to view their house (or one of their houses) as a home, well…
There were around 4000 sales on the list, yes? Now, I know this would require a bit of time and effort, but over a few weeks couldn’t those 4000 names could have checked off against the electoral roll?
Then Labour could have said that, allowing for non-enrollment percentages, x% of sales in Auckland over the period were seemingly not purchases by NZ residents or citizens.
No singling out of any ethnicity. No dog-whistle. A clear demarcation set between domestic and foreign buyers.
Anyway…
Checking against the electoral roll wouldn’t really be worth the effort.
Too many false negatives, from people who are residents but simply aren’t on the roll (because not everyone is).
Too many false positives, from people who aren’t residents but have the same name as someone who is a resident.
It doesn’t add any *real* strength to the existing argument that they already laid out.
It is a major issue for our economy, and in particular for people on low incomes because the first thing that happens when a property bubble stops is that the retail jobs in shops, distribution and manufacturing disappear like smoke. When people feel like they are poorer, they stop spending immediately.
The bigger the bubble gets before it gets pricked, the harder the over-reaction in the subsequent recession is. Think 1987 crash for instance. The cranes went down around Auckland a hell of a lot slower than the jobs and the economy collapsed countrywide.
Do you think those people who are quite economically sensitive are collateral damage for your views on peoples sensitivities about race?
You have to look at both cost sides of any issue.
BTW: I am pretty sure that is the way that the Labour strategists thought. It is how I would have thought about it. It is a pretty basic inside Labour that they do think that way. Sudden economic shocks are the absolute nightmare in terms of injuring people.
Don’t you think Lprent, that this bubble should have pricked some time ago?
I’ve been saying the main reason national are doing nothing about it – as they have no plan – and really have no idea what to do if the bubble burst and the jobs go.
Auckland can’t afford 100,000 people unemployed, and I think that is a conservative figure. I agree with you, It’s the spill to the down the industries who will fall quickly this time round – as to many are operating in “just in time” business model. Which does not absorb crashes well.
Same in Australia, they looking at 1,000,000 jobs shed when the bubble bursts.
This is real nightmare stuff from the Tories, they are clueless. Look at Joyce, he’s floundering – they dare not put Nick Smith in front of a camera. Key looks out of touch, and weak on this issue. His nice bloke image, is making him look like a right blonker.
I think the Tories are staining their collective underwear over this issue. The market has failed and if the do anything – they have to admit the whole free market approach is flawed.
My guess, they will stick with ideology, and let Auckland burn.
Thanks Iprent well and clearly explained.
“The reflex reaction to call anything racist without looking at the underlying issues or context is probably a modern malaise.”
What I saw was too many people on the standard telling people who have direct experience of racism their whole lives and a political awareness and analysis of that racism, that they didn’t know what racism is. It reminds me of the rape culture conversations where feminists are told they don’t know what rape culture is. A real eye opener, because I thought we were better than this here on racism.
Exactly! The lazy throwing around of the term kinda diminishes the recognition of actual racism.
please name these lazy people, because I don’t know what you are talking about.
There is an old proverb that runs – when a cock stands atop the vane flapping its wings the wind knows not in which direction it blows. 😉
Sadly, I agree. Except that rather than feeling somehow let down by what has been on display vis a vis the denial and defense of racism by self appointed leftists, it only served to reaffirm my view, built from many conversations and observations, that the political left in NZ is riddled through with racist nonsense.
I wonder how much is due to people squealing to themselves “But I’m of the left therefor I can’t be racist!”? 🙄
I wonder how much is due to people squealing to themselves “But I’m of the left therefor I can’t be racist!”?
How about,
‘I’m a Leftie who love’s and respect’s all people.
That’s why I hate Right Winger’s or anyone else who disagrees with my political beliefs.’
Do you do seances as well as mind-reading, Madame Sheep?
Nope. We told you that you that data and its analysis isn’t racist. You refused to believe us because of your irrational knee-jerk reaction.
That doesn’t have anything to do with what I just said, except to confirm it.
I’m not interested in sloganeering that tells politicised people who experience racism that they don’t know what racism is.
Draco. The sales list was just a sales list. Even the analysis was just analysis – wonky or otherwise. The presentation by Labour of what it extrapolated from that list was nothing but a ‘racist’ (xenophobic) dog-whistle though.
Otherwise known as data, yes.
The analysis turned the data into information that answered questions.
And that’s a load of BS. The presentation simply provided the information to the public at large.
Some ignorant people are calling that information racist because of their ignorance.
At this point all I can offer is the wise words of Linton Quesie Johnson.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2PD41qBDALE
I disagree DTB. I’ve written a few times what I thought of Phil Twyford’s initial fronting of the issue on The Nation. Have you actually watched it?
http://thestandard.org.nz/international-investment-in-auckland-housing/#comment-1042056
http://thestandard.org.nz/labouring-it/#comment-1047144
+100 DTB
While what was said was wrong, the MSD workers have raised an important point: There are too many unseen Maori bouncers stopping white people from getting shit-wrecked in bars. It’s like they want to push white drunks out onto the street. I’ve seen them, ghost-Maoris, drinking kegs in garages like they own the whole brewery. Just inspect the data! It’s obvious. That white guy had a Maori-sounding wahine with him, so that proves how far they’ll go. Just the other day some guy said kia ora to me in the street – like he didn’t know how to say hello! Jesus. They must be stopped so that the next generation of white drunks can own bars. I bet they’d even stop Samoans drinking in Taupo, too, if they had to.
Very good Charles, but I suspect the point will be missed.
If every bar in the country had video cameras on their bouncers on a friday/saturday night and people were made accountable for their actions via the media, I predict thousands of people would be fired from their jobs each and every week. I can’t defend what they said, but singling out people through the media seems like gutter journalism too.
So how do they know that they were WINZ workers? And why were WINZ workers pissed on the street?
I dunno, maybe they’re regulars there. Are WINZ workers not allowed to be chronic binge drinkers like half of NZ seems to be.
lolz, no, they can do that in their own time. It seems odd to be describing those people by their employment unless they were there on work time.
Unless it was a work function, I don’t see why it is important they work for Work and Income. High stressed employee gets drunk and disorderly, apparently I am alone in thinking they are being unfairly vilified.
Unless they were on work time I agree, the whole WINZ stuff is irrelevant. Weird that the article doesn’t cover that.
I don’t know if the people are being unfairly vilafied or if WINZ is. The statements that guy made were racist and offensive no matter who he worked with. If the headlines had been “Bouncer racially abused by drunk patrons” it would have been pretty much all the required info. WINZ could then decide internally if those attitudes alighn with their culture.
However it seems to be an attempt to paint WINZ staff with a broad brush based on one racist moron. Allthough staff did say that those comments were the only ones caught on tape and that more members of the group had been using racial slurs earlier which is what made the bouncer start recording what they were saying. Once the phone came out most of the group realised what they were saying should not be recorded and stopped.
I definitely think that WINZ need to take a hard look at those staff and how their attitudes and behaviour might be impacting on their work. But I don’t think that should be done in public unless there is a good reason.
Or how their work impacts on their attitude and behaviour, given how staff at WINZ are directed to treat the public.
Perhaps we could use other identifiers as opposed to just their place of employment – which are just as relevant.
What if they were two labour (or national voters), or 2 gay gentlemen, or 2 left handed people.
Thats just making headlines. They were rude, racist idiots and they should be held to account as people, not anything else.
The media involvement acts as big wrecking ball through this incident. The media used their occupation because it made the story, if their occupation wasn’t mentioned in the story someone would have recognised them in the video and that information would likely have filtered through to WINZ managers to deal with the issue as they saw fit. Now with it all blown up in the media and a huge spotlight on them if they don’t take serious action they’ll be seen as weak.
Name tag not removed?
possibly. I couldn’t see anything in the video.
Headlining that they were MSD employees is utter bullshit. Could they now be fired for bringing their employer into disrepute? Possibly. Is that fair? Not in my mind. When you have a job, you get ‘you’ back at 5:30 or whenever. What you do in your own time is, or should be, absolutely none of your employer’s business.
Can we expect some drunk and obnoxious kid who some people might recognise from a McDs to get fired or otherwise sanctioned for mumbling some drunken racist shit at a bouncer on a Saturday night now?
edit: Maybe the WINZ angle came up simply due to the bouncer recognising them as WINZ staff? Always the possibility there was a bit of pay-back involved. Who knows.
really? it seems to me that it’s getting better. not nearly as many wrecked people out in the cities getting turned away as there was ten years ago. drinking has settled down into something that’s only done with food and for social reasons, not a means to an end in itself. I bet those winz workers were on a “corporate retreat” seeing as it’s taupo. bigging it up on the taxpayers dime to find new ways to screw the poor
corporate retreat, I wondered that too. Or work do.
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=11484151
I believe in humans getting out and into space but on this one I think the money could be better spent.
Yep a messaging program with messages that will not be sent. This is why I think this project is a distraction from the real and immediate issues and problems we face living on this planet.
The smart Greens promote woman in purse strings role. Bumbling Bill English can expect plenty of supplementary questions from the very determined Julie Ann Genter. All that cycling around the place will hold Genter in good stead for being fast out of the saddle and going at Bill’s jugular vein.
Well done Greens for walking the talk on gender equality.
http://i.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/70175855/greens-portfolio-reshuffle-sees-thirdever-woman-finance-spokesperson
Yes I’m sure Bill English is shaking in his boots
Just had a look at Julie Genter wiki page
Education:
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BA in philosophy
Post-graduate certificate in International Political Studies
Masters of Planning Practice
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Don’t see any thing finance related?.
Why is she doing finance , she has no skills in this area.
Actually Blind Man while you think you see all, others could arguably say Genter would do a much better job than slugger Bill is doing. Considering how much debt We are in, it wouldn’t be at all hard.
I’m not knocking Genter, she’s obviously very educated, just makes no sense to put people in roles that they have no skills in.
Or is this new role only about TV time and getting her face in the media?
Yes, you are knocking Genter.
And what you really mean is that she doesn’t have any formal training in how to be a good capitalist. I’d count that as a plus for being a finance spokesperson.
Like I say Blind Man you choose to see what you want, the trouble is your ‘blind.’
http://m.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11484052
Why not?
Economists have lately been particularly bad at handling economic issues.
Besides Cullen had no economic qualifications.
Genter is a very clear thinker and very principled. Good choice.
10 principles of economics explained
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VVp8UGjECt4
Have you ever looked at Bill English’s bio or Michael Cullen’s bio or virtually any of the other finance ministers we have ever had?
Could it be you just have an XX crush?
Had a look at Bill English’s page.
He does have a degree in commerce.
http://www.otago.ac.nz/courses/qualifications/bcom.html.
I know Cullen didn’t have a great deal of financial education, lucky for us when Cullen had his turn everything was booming, we could have substituted Cullen for Bubbles the chimp and Bubbles would have still made a surplus.
Call me crazy but I would prefer Ministers to actually have skills in their particular portfolios, this goes for all political parties.
You wouldn’t play a halfback as a lock, would you.
Similar to playing a hooker as fullback.
BM is a technocrat – who would of funked it.
A heads up, commerce degrees are a dime a dozen, and quite frankly a very expensive piece of paper to say you can rote learn. Does explain a lot about bill english, and his lack of imagination via the ongoing economic malaise – which has kept on, rolling on.
Ask most 18 year olds that are going off to uni, you’ll find truckloads that are going to Dunedin to get away from home, party and do the stock standard BCom because that’s what you do when you haven’t decided on a career.
Now that the economy is starting to bite a lot of kids are having to go to uni in their home city as it costs far more $$$ to live away from home.
The commerce courses at otago changed a few years ago to require first-year (i.e. fuckall) skimming of all disciplines within the division. Before that, he might have gone through just looking at marketing with never a look at finance. What was blinglish’s major?
Besides, with debt at $100bil, maybe if he’d looked at some planning papers we’d have avoided this mess…
“The commerce courses at otago changed a few years ago to ”
Out of curiosity what is a few years? Bill English would have been there about 35 years ago, after all (He was born in 1961).
He also has a BA(Hons) in English Literature from VUW. He got a 1st I believe. Even Bob Jones would approve of that.
Either of Bill’s degrees would seem to be more useful than the vast collection of “political science” qualifications in the New Zealand Labour Party.
this side of the millenium, possibly this decade.
I suspect many of his discretionary points available under the schedule in the mid-eighties would have gone on the lit rather than planning, finance, or similar.
I suppose the english lit helps him make shit up in the budget speech. As for who’s more useful than whom, Cullen’s qualifications were in history, and he managed to pay down government dept rather than inflate it. I guess the bcom was a handicap for blinglish.
I’ll have to call you on the ‘vast collection of “political science” qualifications in the New Zealand Labour Party’ there, alwyn. Got the data for that?
It used to be that the Labour Party was accused of being full of teachers, of which I was one, as if that was some sort of bad thing. So I did the research, and there were more teachers within the National caucus than Labour’s.
A quick glance at the background of the better known current MPs comes up with Robertson, Goff, Shearer, Hipkins, Twyford, Cunliffe and Lees–Galloway. It is also amazing how many came up through University Student Unions.
I don’t know how many others there might be among the unknowns.
What I find rather funny is that the Labour Party had three leaders in a row who could themselves down as “failed Political Science PhD, University of Auckland”.
Clark, Goff and Shearer all started but failed to finish the course.
Amongst the ‘unknowns’ only Cosgrove has politics in his degrees according to Wikipedia. He has a triple degree in Political Studies, American Studies and History.
So, eight out of 32 or thereabouts. A quarter. Not a ‘vast collection’ though I’d expect a bias that way for a group of left wing politicians to have studied politics at Uni. There are also theology, law and commerce degrees, education degrees, historians, people with health quals, anthropologists etc.
I’d expect also that more than average numbers would have been involved in university student politics. Politicians tend to be interested in politics wherever they are.
To be fair, eight is close to the largest number a tory is capable of counting to without taking off they socks, so it probably counts as a “vast collection” to them.
So, via Wikipedia I took a look at 15 National MPs chosen at random. 3 had been in student politics, (another one stood for local Council as a school boy) and two had political science in their degrees. Lawyers, scientists, one engineer, commerce types and arts degrees generally.
One quarter of the National intake. Someone else can scan the rest!
I’ll take your word for the backgrounds of the unknowns. I only looked at the top 6 in the pecking order, plus the previous leaders and, because I happened to have met him recently, Lees-Galloway.
Of these 10 people, who I regarded as the senior ones, only Little, King and Mahuta didn’t seem to have a Pol Sci background as a University discipline.
Whatever their academic qualifications, main difference between Right and Left MP’s is their basic agenda which is: Fair to all (L) v self serving (R)
Yes Double Dipton has a degree in Commerce – even worked in Treasury (and we know how grounded in reality that lot are) . He wouldn’t know what an economy is, if he fell over it. The most useless twit to warm the Finance bench this country has ever had to suffer. What has he actually done in the 6 years he has twiddled his thumbs apart from repeat the same nonsense year after year as he “presents” his “budget”, and cut vital services that we as NZers have paid for?
Tell us Blind Man – what is an economy for anyway?
A little googling found that philosophy degrees include topics which would benefit any politician including social justice, critical thinking, ethics, logic, truth and political philosophy.
Skills acquired from a study of philosophy include critical thinking, clear argument, discerning validity and importance, dealing with multiple viewpoints and ideas, deep thinking and concentration.
Philosphy at undergraduate level is often taken with economics and politics, this being a famous combination.
Ms Genter may have other courses in her degree which are finance related. Cullen studied economic history for example. I have a friend who studied economics and political science both to stage three level. Who decides whether he is an economist or a political scientist?
Bob Jones used arts graduates in his employment, he once wrote, because they have learnt to think, and could be trained in the specifics of his business.
Having a degree in Philosophy means she has the ability to see big pictures, not just narrow focus, she also has the ability to question and test the logic of specious arguments. The less we have of economists and accountants making decisions about the good of the country and the more we have people with a broad based thinking, analytical and logical mindset, with a view of culture and history, the better.
It’s possible that, as part of her studies, she did economics 101 which means that she would have more knowledge of finance than our PM. That’s the thing about BAs – you never really know which courses were included in the study.
And then there’s the fact that people don’t go to school and then stay exactly the same – they continue learning.
skill is what you get after university. or at polytech.
This is what equality gets you instead of best person for the job.
Genter, “Her financial hero is American Herman Daly, who was one of the first economists to talk about the incompatibility of infinite economic growth in a finite world.”
Makes you wonder where we are heading. Constant need to increase population and grow the economy might be a disaster in the long run.
There is no need to constantly increase the population to grow the economy. Places like Germany have static or falling populations and still manage to grow their economy.
Baby steps Gosman. You’re getting there…
Next you’ll be saying that there is no need to grow the economy at all…
This is what happens when you spend so much time hanging out with those that can walk and talk at the same time.
Germany has compensated for their declining population by become a massive surplus trade nation.
Few nations are able to do that, and certainly most nations will not be able to.
It looks like Russel Norman is really taking a back seat too, he’s basically only got Trade and Spying portfolios now. And helping out James Shaw in leadership.
Yeah it’s a pity our old cobbah Rusty couldn’t quite infuse Winnie to bridge the divide. Should have a far better chance with James Shaw. Might try getting them together for a charity I’ve raised over $200 K for. Shouldn’t be hard getting them to attend a gig, a common charity maybe just the ice breaker needed.
http://publicaddress.net/onpoint/dont-put-words-in-our-mouths-rob/
– Heh
Two weeks ago I overheard a cow cocky say they had been told to expect a price “in the 3s “. I’m pretty sure he’s a Fonterra supplier.
Now Open Country has confirmed it, obviously the big companies know a lot more about future price trends than they are letting on.
Yet English keeps saying ” nothing to see here “.
A milkfat price ” in the 3s ” is really bad news for the whole country, it will impact on practicaly everybody.
Not much dairy conversion’s.going on lately, I suspect plenty of South Pacific Pesos being exchanged to Greenbacks. A little late to reap the full rewards like money trader Key will have, however I may grab a slab while the going is good.
With bees under threat from another parasite, here’s a good explainer of their importance and the threats they face.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GqA42M4RtxE
I blame Climate Change for the demise of the bees. It must be the reason.
I blame Capitalism. It is always Capitalism’s fault. The collapse of the Roman empire was caused by Capitalism don’t you know.
good to see we can throw you on the barricades.
It was caused by out of touch elites who because they were insulated by wealth and bureaucracy from the realities on the ground, did not understand until too late how bad they were fucking up.
These rwnjs are historically illiterate.
I blame Capitalism. It is always Capitalism’s fault. The collapse of the Roman empire was caused by Capitalism don’t you know.
I’m actually kind of confident that bees will be saved because they have such a direct and demonstrable economic benefit. So there’s a lot of research money going into them and solving this problem. The first chemical company that comes up with a pesticide that doesn’t impact bees is going to make money hand over fist.
Your brain appears to be stuck in repeat mode Gosman. Must be the failing Rockstar economic outlook causing a glitch. I imagine you have been walking around in circles muttering “John Key is my hero where is the Rockstar I can not compute….bring on the encore.’
Aren’t you concerned by the demise of bees?
You struggle understanding science and data ah Clean_power. Well no worry, you can go to a night class and …. no wait national axed the funding to those classes. Nope sorry, you will just have to stay an ignorant Tory lick spittle.
Aren’t you concerned by the demise of bees?
Interesting review of Tomorrow’s schools 25 years on, to be found on Evening Report.
Like any changes to the educational system – the long term effects effects are what is required to be considered rather than the short term goals. Charter school aficionados take note.
Lockwood Smiths misadventure, exposed. Thanks for the link Molly – well worth the read.
Why is Lockwood smith responsible for this? I thought the Tomorrow School’s reforms were implemented by the Fourth Labour Government.
The issues there have hardly anything to do with Tomorrow’s schools and more to do with parents moving so they can get their children in to higher decile schools. Considering lower decile schools get more funding per pupil than higher decile schools the situation would be much worse if the reforms were not made. How exactly is tomorrow schools responsible for the situation?
Read the papers provided by Lockwood Smith when he was the minister, and what was the desired outcome of tomorrow schools – the programme and implementation.
No, how about you expand on why you think the article Molly linked to shows a failing with Tomorrow Schools rather than what I suspect is merely parents moving to areas where they think their kids will get better education based on the knowledge that is available to them?
Who is Chris Trotter, really, and what does he want with the Bogans? Maybe he was taking the piss?
Chris argues Labour could do worse than go after the Bogan vote: that elusive sub-feeder group of the stereotypical Waitakere Man he’s spent his recent blogging life demonising. Now he paints them as the long-haired unshaven equivalent of the silent-but-infamous “kiwi-battler”, and that their values hold the keys to Labour refinding its roots.
No Chris, Labour know how to go after the people, as a whole, and fund, supply, and maintain access to essential services and life requirements irrespective of who they are or what they think or how long their hair is, or which cartoon stereotype they correspond to. They just don’t want to anymore.
“So are you saying we shouldn’t listen to the poor, the gays, Maori, women, transgender people, immigrants?”
“No, Chris. We should give them the same care and focus on their needs as they see it as we do anyone else.”
“Doesn’t sound very middle-class oriented.”
“No, Chris, it isn’t.”
“Who would we fight, who would we blame, who’d be the enemy?”
“Ourselves. We’re the enemy, haven’t you noticed?”
“You’re nuts!”
“I’m glad you think so.”
I think he is trying to influence the wider left to embrace traditional supporters who they have drifter away from. But if you don’t want to do this and would prefer to denigrate this section of society go for it.
Yawn, just addressed that. But shit, why read when you can…. what is it you do here again?
🙂
As someone who grew up a Westy I think you are under estimating their social empathy. One thing I found was that when you fell on hard times there was always someone with a couch and a meal they were willing to share. You had to really mooch off a mate before he would even start thinking of telling you to sort your self out.
By the way a lot of the guys and girls I knew back then were Labour voters long before I moved away from National. There is a vast gap between the so called Waitakere man and a good old fasioned Westy.
http://www.beehive.govt.nz/release/benefit-data-lowest-june-quarter-gfc
good news from the minister.
That is good news
Probably not a good time to go counting the numbers of homeless on cities main streets, cars parked at Wynyard Quarter, or see what the City Mission has to deal with.
Just had visitors from Oz. Both expressed surprise and concern at “the level of poverty that is apparent in NZ”.
Incidentally also highly critical of our TV programming.
Am I right in sensing a gathering storm; that we are heading for a southern hemisphere Greece? Or am I just depressed?
There are problems approaching
The bottom quarter of NZers already live in dire circumstances
More joining shortly
Meanwhile – Labour very concerned about the rate at which $800K Auckland houses are becoming less affordable.
Interesting anecdata only. We tend to shop only once or maybe twice a fortnight so when we do it’s a full trolley.
Was back in Auckland last week and did a supermarket trip for my dad, plus visitors. Full trolley = NZ$320 @ Pack&Save
Came home and needed to do another shop. Full trolley = A$205 @ ALDI’s
Similar items although obviously not identical. Allow for currency conversion at 1.1 and GST @ 1.15 the NZ equivalent price of the ALDI’s trolley would be about NZ$260
Given the minimum wage here is around A$23 per hour – well you can see where I’m coming from.
Its not cows being farmed over on this side, its Kiwis
Cost of living for food and clothing in NZ is insane compared to America.
Flash ‘designer’ $100+ jeans here are $20 over there.
Considering Australian and New Zealand have similar rates of poverty it seems unusual your visitors will have seen levels majorly different from what they experience in Australia (unless they don’t visit where the poorer people live in Oz)
Anyone who has walked down George Street in Sydney will be able to atest to the numbers of people sleeping rough. I am surprised that an Australian would just straight up comment on poverty in NZ. Even smaller area’s like Townsville, Cairns, Darwin and Rockingham have very visable signs of poverty.
Of course it may be that out side of Sydney most of those effected are of Aboriginal decent and so probably aren’t taken into consideration by the average Australian.
Exactly
You got it in one Gosman. Many of the rural communities where there is poverty, are way off the grid. Having visited a few in my time – via a long plane flight. There is a bit in urban landscape too – but those areas were generally unheard of/not spoken about – if you had not lived there for a while. Not like, say Auckland and our huge, city wide homeless problem.
That said, my time in Aussie was in the West, Victoria and South Australia.
Oh right that explains (certainly no excuse) for the Winz managements behavior in Taupo. Got their bonus payments for rejecting welfare claims to make Tolley’s books look brighter. Too much champagne on the taxpayer by the looks. Let’s hope they get turfed to the other side of the Winz counter…and rejected.
Who’s in Auckland and today can help to hold a banner /placard?
Whistleblower/ Media Alert!
Please do not censor or underplay the importance of this arguably corrupt ‘conflict of interest’ – regarding NZ Prime Minister John Key, in his advocacy for the Trans-Pacific Partnership Agreement (TPPA)!
Follow-up TPPA – WALK AWAY protest today outside Auckland Uni – exposing PM John Key’s shareholding in the Bank of America!
WHEN: TUESDAY 21 July
TIME: 1 -5 PM
WHERE: Symonds St / Grafton Rd intersection – directly outside Auckland Uni.
WHY? Because Auckland students are back and there are THOUSANDS of them – who yesterday read the message on our banners and placards!
LET YOUR BANNERS /PLACARDS DO THE TALKING!
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The FOCUS – again – is that NZ PM John Key is a shareholder in the Bank of America!
(These Bank of America shares are NOT in a ‘blind trust’!)
Whose ‘national interest’ is PM John Key serving?
Is John Key working for US or the U$??
READ IT FOR YOURSELF:
http://www.parliament.nz/en-nz/mpp/mps/fin-interests/00CLOOCMPPFinInterests20151/register-of-pecuniary-and-other-specified-interests-of
“Register of Pecuniary and Other Specified Interests of Members of Parliament:
Summary of annual returns as at 31 January 2015
(Page 29)
Rt Hon John Key (National, Helensville)
2 Other companies and business entities
Little Nell – property investment (Aspen, Colorado)
Bank of America – banking ..”
A LOT of people don’t know this, and it is, in my view, as an anti-corruption ‘Public Watchdog’ an arguably significant corrupt ‘conflict of interest’.
_________________________________________________________
(In this You Tube clip – John Key admits that he’s a shareholder in the Bank of America, in front of a Grey Power Public Meeting, 3 February 2011.)
http://www.radiolive.co.nz/Is-Prime-Minister-John-Key-profiting-from-New-Zealands-foreign-debt/tabid/454/articleID/19525/Default.aspx
______________________________________________________
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Penny Bright
These guys look like they might be able to help:
http://beaut.ie/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/father-ted-careful-now.jpg
Why doesn’t the Opposition focus in on this at Question time if it is such an open and shut case of conflict of interest ?
+100….GO Penny…it is what is hidden that will be of most interest
Taken from the NZHerald, reprinted from an Australian commentator, and pretty apposite to New Zealand:
“The problem is that Australia, after decades of effort to diversify, is looking ever more like a petrodollar economy of the Middle East, but without the vast horde of foreign currency reserves to fall back on when commodity prices fall.
Instead, Australians must borrow to maintain the standards of living that the country has become accustomed to, which even some Greeks will admit is unsustainable.”
Taken from UK daily Telegraph, a right wing cheerleader that hates seeing countries like Australia and France defy the orthodoxy and periodically prints Cassandra like stories on the fate of both.
How is Australia defying orthodox anything?
This comment at the end of David Parker’s opinion piece in the Herald is one which is of relevance to TPPA decisions.
“National may wish its dynasty to last forever, but democracy requires that future governments not be shackled by National’s ideology.”
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11484069
IF Tim Groser and the National Party cabinet commit NZ to the TPPA, then this will surely shackle future governments.
Labour, let’s hear it from you, “STOP THE TPPA”
David Parker does not consider himself an opponent of the TPPA, nor a supporter of opponents of the TPPA.
You are aware you can leave international agreements aren’t you? If NZ decided to leave the UN for example there is little the UN could do for example.
How do you know that the TPPA has an Agreement exit process?
You are aware that there is no legal exit process out of, for example, the EU and the Eurozone, right?
Seriously what the F is going on here, I’ve hit peak Max Key for sure. 5 major NZ news outlets posted some or all of Max’s holiday video yesterday, but wait there’s still more! Media going to great lengths to write anything on the beloved PM’s son.
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/opinion/70402896/opinion-new-rules-for-john-keys-selfiegeneration-kids
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/70412689/max-keys-life-on-instagram
someone’s seriously plugging the boy’s image. It’s been going on for days.
It might be going from dirty politics to distraction politics, but I think it’s equally likely that some publicist is trying to prepare the ground for him as a broadcaster, building “celebrity”. Throw money at a few photo spreads, next thing you know he’ll be on dancing with the stars or some bullshit like that, then get a few part time but 5 or 6 figure microphone jobs.
Meh. More vacuities on the airwaves.
Talking about airwaves. Media guy Paul? said on 9toNoon this morning that Radionz is sacking 20 with 6 new jobs opening up net 14. All seasoned workers no doubt, like gold. No rise in funding from gummint for 8 years.
Strumming my pain with his fingers
Singing my life with his words
Killing me softly with his song.’
Yes, yek killing me softly?
Do we have the next Pebbles Hooper?
Seriously though, in any normal world once Key is not Prime Minister his son should pretty much cease to exist in the eyes of media.
I suspect Roughan.
Perhaps the MSM is getting us used to him so that when JK hands over the countries reigns to him we won’t be too bothered by the disappearance of democracy and the open implementation of our new aristocracy.
“And the next leader of the National Party is Max…”
Noooooooo!!!
Like I said yesterday, it was all a PR ploy, and everyone fell for it. PR 101.
Max is getting built up.
……..and yet we are supposed to leave the children alone, so stop thrusting them down our throats please.
Little squares off with Gower
http://www.3news.co.nz/nznews/video-andrew-little-snaps-over-chinese-buyer-data-questions-2015072112#axzz3gUEtp8Ha
Everyone I know think Gower is a completely tool, with opinions ranging from he is a bit of of a wierdo to he is compensating for being so ugly.
So, my view: Little punches Gower, Labour soars in polls.
Or it proves Littles buckling under the pressure and can’t handle the awful truth
So really it won’t change peoples minds all that much
Labour’s talking past you to the real people bro, you know – the people who can’t afford to buy a house in Auckland. Just ask around your office, Labour is getting huge kudos at the water cooler.
My office is in Christchurch, which offers a better lifestyle and way more affordable housing
I’ve tried engaging the people I work with and it doesn’t matter if I mention Key or Little their eyes tend to glaze over so I don’t bother
That what happens when everyone is married to their sister, I guess.
Hmm lets see
A. Live in a city where you can’t afford to buy a home, very expensive just to live, spending hours commuting, your mayor is Len Brown
B. Live in a city where you can afford to buy/build, not expensive to live, commuting in under an hour, has plenty of work available and your mayor isn’t Len Brown
Tell me again why living in Christchurch is such a joke
Hard to argue with that reasoning PR.
Does Christchurch still exist? I though we got that earthquake to take care of it.
PR is patting himself on the back for being a wealthy Merivale or Fendalton resident whose leafy suburb was untouched.
That is being sexist!
“real people” could not afford to buy a house in Auckland by 2004/2005. Now, they are talking to “real people” who are tired of being outbid on $800K villas.
You keep muttering your same mantra. 2004? Where were you? Did you raise the issue like you are doing now? Was the government then selling off state houses? Was the foreign money from China coming in at such huge amounts as now? Is there a huge crisis now or not? Should the government do something about it now or simply reminiscence about 2004 and some other year like 1904?
No, it definitely proved that Gower was attacking Labour and Little rather than trying to be a journalist.
Gower proved that a long long time ago, and didn’t need any help from us, let alone the leader of the NZLP.
Gower’s ego compels him to dominate the ‘news’ with his pissing contests, rather than do any real reporting
A jack up to help Key out of the data jam. Notice Key using Gowers stupid line of questioning in the House today. Most Kiwi’s will be thinking Key’s antics are not funny in the least, actually I think they would rather he cut the crap and ban non resident foreigners buying our property.
Why wouldn’t Key take advantage of Littles endorsement of race-baiting?
OK well according to Hooton on Nine to Noon yesterday National failed to take the bait and bite. Looks like he was wrong as the head clown of the National Party circus couldn’t help himself ( just like ponytail pulling) so people will still be angry with him till he plucks false data out of his arse.
Yeah, and he didn’t punch him though, did he.
Next time, I suggest Little simply looks at the camera and says “pfft”, or “do you have a question?”
Thats actually quite good advice so of course it won’t be listened to
Just another illustration of the media either playing the Patsy questions game or getting dealt to by member or cronies of this corrupt regime in power.
Speaking of which, (you heard it here first) expect Radio New Zealand will have little choice but to issue an apology to Mr Tung…..you know Judith Collins husband. After bully boy Tung continues to throw his weight around threatening legal action against any media who dare question his involvement in the dodgy swamp Kauri trade.
http://m.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&objectid=11483596
Yeah, he’s only a director of one of the companies involved (“Oravida Bleach Inc.”, or something). It would be far more damaging to his reputation to point out that he’s married to that vindictive trash Judith Collins.
Unlike those media outlets who have been threatened and muzzled, unfortunately for Tung, if he doesn’t settle down and crawl back under his rock he and Judith share ‘he and the kauri company he works for’ will get so much bad press their operation in Ruakaka will be driven out of Northland with their tales between their legs.
At any stage we choose a very public (widely covered by all media) protest and hard line picket can be arranged where nothing gets in or out of their depot.
So go ahead punk make our day and press the button!
+1
“he is compensating for being so ugly”
So now its acceptable to question peoples professional capability because of their physical appearance?
The language Gower used falls into the catagory of defamation imo. Labour should announce they are seeking to take legal action against Patrick Gower and TV3.
My computer doesn’t like the clip for some reason, what was it that Gower said ?
He was rude and bullying and wouldn’t let Little answer anything properly. He accused Andrew Little of “cooking up statistics because he knew it was going to hurt people”. That is shameful and Little should demand an apology. He went on to say “He (Little) only did it for the headline.
1. It wasn’t Andrew Little who released the information, it was Phil Twyford.
2. I have never seen any reporter act in such a rude and jeering way to any interviewee. And that’s saying something where Gower is concerned.
3. No other member of the media pack was able to ask a question.
…and in doing so, he quite obviously got right under Andrew Little’s skin. Little’s response was ill-advised.
Also true.
Typical, too many reporters try to create a story and make it all about them, rather than just asking the question and letting the respondent reply. Gower,s ego gets in the way of his interviewing far too often
AND Little didn’t Snap. He answered forcefully!!!
Quite!
+100 Anne…and another take on Nactional Party framing used by TV3, their bestest friend
‘Patrick Gower tries to call Andrew Little a liar and then sulks when Little puts him in his place’
http://thedailyblog.co.nz/2015/07/21/patrick-gower-tries-to-call-andrew-little-a-liar-and-then-sulks-when-little-puts-him-in-his-place/
“So far all the ugliest elements put on display since Labour raised the issue of China’s speculation in our residential housing market have been displayed by those screaming racist …
As a National voter I absolutely agree with this
I would say the same if I saw a National Party senior politician treated in the same way.
+1
err… I might make and exception for John Key. 😉
Please, someone tell Andrew Little that everyone already knows why you don’t wrestle with a pig and he doesn’t need to demonstrate.
Patrick Gower talks trash, and in doing so, speaks only of himself.
Exactly, if the people of NZ see the real Little Andy the next election will be just like his performance in New Plymouth so he needs to keep his cool
🙄
Thanks for your concern.
Always glad to lend a hand but seriously if Angry Andy wants to be PM the worst thing he could is be himself
Polly wanna cracker?
I wouldn’t worry too much, TV3s ratings are abysmal anyway, or Gower, “Pfft!” indeed! (& personally I think Gower is crap anyway so watching Little take no shit from him was awesome to see, but yeah just a look of disdain next time would suffice.)
MOST WATCHED
One News: 853,290 (TV ONE, 6:00pm – 7:00pm)
Border Security: 660,260 (TV ONE, 7:30pm – 8:05pm)
Seven Sharp: 641,720 (TV ONE, 7:00pm – 7:30pm)
The Force: 632,890 (TV ONE, 8:05pm – 8:35pm)
Shortland Street: 457,770 (TV2, 7:00pm – 8:00pm)
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Border Security: 660,260 (TV ONE, 7:30pm – 8:05pm)
The Force: 632,890 (TV ONE, 8:05pm – 8:35pm)
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Criminal Minds: 314,190 (TV ONE, 8:35pm – 9:30pm)
Married At First Sight: 240,410 (TV3, 8:30pm – 9:35pm)
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3 News: 246,630 (6:00pm – 7:00pm)
Married At First Sight: 240,410 (8:30pm – 9:35pm)
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Reality Trip: 133,640 (9:35pm – 10:35pm)
Inside Story: 129,870 (8:00pm – 8:30pm)
see – you’re just fucking game-playing while the country circles down the drain under this government.
I hope that in real live you (even inadvertantly) do something that actually helps people in a real way, rather than just facilitating speculators or other parasites. It would be a shame if you were a net-loss from the well-being of the rest of the human species.
I see PR you like to call Andrew Little Little Andy. Excellent as I have no problems with people trying to belittle the opposition politicians or politicians they don’t like by calling them derogatory names, that’s why I love to refer to Key as a lying perverted money trading fucking spiv.
The only difference between you calling Andrew Little Little Any and me calling Key a lying perverted money trading fucking spiv. is the fact that
Andrew Little is neither little in stature or height, whereas Key is a lying perverted money trading fucking spiv.
Paddy Gower is an arsehole that needs to be put in its right place where the Sun don’t shine. He isn’t a credible journalist. A loathsome right wing fart.
Growers doing a real job on little on the news at the moment.
What do you mean?
Cut and edited the story to make Little look as bad as possible then finishes with his own little one sided stand up. I could never be a politician I’d make the little twerp swallow his mike.
Meanwhile over on One News Little came across well. Paddy loves to mash up his footage to suit his own agenda.
paddy sure does. Didn’t catch one news but hoskings took English s vague comments about murmurs he heard in China and turned them into a international disaster . How does this country rid itself of these sycophantic loser s ??
Stranger to Clemgeopin.” I resent your calling Paddy Gower an arsehole”
Clemgeopin.’Sorry, are you a friend of his?”
Stranger.”No I’m an arsehole”
lol
Andrew Little has carefully cultivated the facial expressions of a small business owner that has just been told the employee he fired illegally is taking him to court. hahahhahaaha
John Key’s expressions are usually of a rich boy saying, nup. nup. nup. don’t care. nup. people will die but it won’t be me. nup. nup. you’re poor anyway. nup. nup.
What a bunch. How can we possibly choose?
Little reminds me of Hank Hill.
Not just Auckland.
http://www.smh.com.au/business/markets/currencies/we-aint-seen-nothing-yet-chinese-foreign-investment-in-australian-property-tipped-to-surge-20150721-gigfaz
+100 Prickles….yup …I know of Australians being pushed out of their own housing market
Handy graphic from the Greens showing just how many NZers who made submissions wanted tougher CC targets than what the govt ended up chosing.
https://twitter.com/NZGreens/status/623323784498393088
h/t @danylmc
Beyond comment.
How Seinfeld became a bad joke:
The threat of a hyper-vigilant left-wing outrage machine has been greatly exaggerated
A millionaire tells a dumb joke and nobody laughs — and that’s proof we’re all oppressed by social activists?
by ARTHUR CHU, Salon, June 12, 2015
Jerry Seinfeld is the latest brave middle-aged white man to weigh in on the “creepy” ascendance of humorless p.c. SJW anti-free-speech scolds. We know the drill now–we’ve heard it from comedians like Seinfeld and Patton Oswalt and, to a lesser degree, Louis C.K. and Chris Rock. We’ve heard it packaged in a different format from Very Serious media commentators like Jonathan Chait, Laura Kipnis and, most recently, an anonymous white male adjunct professor whose left-wing students “terrify” him.
It’s a familiar, tired drill. Point to instances of creeping overreaction by angry left-wing young people in the classroom, at protests and especially on Tumblr or Twitter. Portray these forces as a terrifying, swelling horde of enforcers with the power to totally destroy the lives of good old hardworking members of the chattering class like yourself. Talk about how this army of Social Justice Stormtroopers has successfully create a stifling Orwellian monoculture, especially on the Internet, where all of us live in constant fear of saying anything the least bit “offensive” lest our lives be ruined and as a result all online discourse has been stripped down to the level of catchphrase-spewing party apparatchiks seeking to avoid Stalinist purges.
This is clearly an extremely compelling narrative when it comes to a lot of people’s personal fears, because it’s a narrative they spin out of comparatively little evidence. It’s not that there’s no such thing as a left-wing witch hunt or that people haven’t been harmed by them — it’s that, for something that’s so scary that it warrants trend piece after trend piece on a biweekly basis, it seems pretty hard for these pundits to come up with actual examples of harm to themselves.
Daniel Tosh, whose nasty rape joke at an audience member spurred the comedy world to rally around him waving flags with apocryphal Voltaire quotes – yeah, he got a lot of mean tweets, and got analyzed in a bunch of think pieces, and got a really unkind (but hilarious) Onion article written about him.
And … that was it. His stand-up career is still going fine. He’s still on Twitter. He still has a damn top-rated show on Comedy Central, which makes him better off than 99.9 percent of all stand-up comedians in the country. (A show, by the way, which derives a lot of its humor from mocking people who are already being mercilessly made fun of or criticized on the Internet, which adds a little bit of irony to this whole “lynch mob” thing.)
Jonathan Chait combs through years of outraged viral right-wing posts on Facebook about left-wing atrocities but only comes up with one story of significant material harm, a kid being fired from a college newspaper, after Chait himself has gotten embroiled in controversy for trying to get journalists fired from newspapers for doing their job wrong. (As always, it’s actually about ethics in journalism.)
Laura Kipnis has a stronger argument for having been mistreated, even though the Title IX system she criticizes did, in fact, end up letting her completely off the hook — and even though the actual reason for the complaint against her wasn’t her “wrong opinion” but her spreading untruths about a student embroiled in a sexual harassment claim against a professor, which pretty much every “political correctness gone mad” pundit talking about the Kipnis case has ignored.
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Read more….
http://www.salon.com/2015/06/11/how_seinfeld_became_a_bad_joke_the_threat_of_a_hyper_vigilant_left_wing_outrage_machine_has_been_greatly_exaggerated/
Makes Sense…
“Labour believes if you have the right to live here you have the right to buy here, but not otherwise. That means all citizens and residents can. This will apply to all ethnicities.”
‘David Parker: Nats bet house on trade deals’
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/opinion/news/article.cfm?c_id=466&objectid=11484069
Not racism!…Go Labour for calling out the problem as it is…and the Chinese know it:
‘Wall of Chinese capital buying up Australian properties’
The “wall of Chinese capital” hitting property markets in Sydney and Melbourne will not ease up until the government introduces its anti-money laundering legislation, says an expert in ‘flight capital’.
James Tee, an ethnic Chinese property developer whose business specialises in “capital expatriation” – that is, getting money out of China and into his property developments in Malaysia – told Fairfax Media the exodus of capital from China was accelerating, thanks to the government’s anti-corruption drive.
“We have been tracking this for two years,” says Tee. Those outflows from China are compounded by the flight of capital out of Canada which is now “bursting” to find a home in Australia.
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Due to the bubble in Canadian house prices and ensuing concerns over social dislocation, Canada’s government shut down its investor visa program last year. Some 40,000 Chinese visa applicants with a minimum loan to governments of $C800,000 were handed back their capital.
“That’s roughly $32 billion,” says Tee. “The Canadian government said: ‘We don’t want your money anymore’ and that capital is now hitting the Sydney market.”…
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/business/comment-and-analysis/wall-of-chinese-capital-buying-up-australian-properties-20150628-ghztdf.html#ixzz3gVPV2Oew
This shows that all the hand ringing that’s gone on here is just the overly PC getting them self into a lather about the wrong thing they need to wake up, its bad enough that labour have to fight the likes of Gower but being attacked buy so called progressive s on the far left is just pathetic.
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A dismal underperformance by Mr Little in his confrontation with Gower. Much to improve in the future.
Agreed, facetious. Little has already lifted Labour up in the polls to the point where he can be the next Prime Minister and I can only see improvement in the future. Good times!
I didn’t hear about Shane Te Pou, ‘a former Labour party official’ complaining, according to Radionz, that his Chinese wife ‘had her personal details released in Labour’s housing data leak’ This from 17/7/2015.
http://www.radionz.co.nz/audio/player/201762871.
1 No details of any kind were released as I understand it, except the bald percentages based on likely ethnic names.
2 Mr Te Pou has himself breached his wife’s privacy, not Labour.
3 He sounded confused and incomprehensible, and not a good advocate for any point he tried to make, or Labour.
If nothing else comes of this episode, at least it has got rid of a few pretentious low IQ PC dimwits out of Labour. All good, I say!