Open Mike 24/07/2018

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1. You_Fool 1

   24 July 2018 at 7:51 am

   https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12093951

   Even when the National Party get dragged kicking and screaming into doing stuff for the public good the proposal ends up being under-cooked and needs to be expanded later for more cost.

   The CRL has already been shown that the original plans, as agreed by the dear leader J Key, would hit capacity in 2035, just 10 years after it opened. Luckily we have such wonderful people in power now, with Goff and Tyford pushing for agreement at Council and Cabinet to increase the size now whilst still building to push the capacity up
   • SaveNZ 1.1

     24 July 2018 at 9:41 am

     They need to SLOW Auckland population growth especially as it is on the back of minimally and low waged workers immigrating here and the amount of consents for dirty trucks crossing through Auckland for decades.

     Cheap workers are great for all the 1% multinational businesses making more profits, driving up commercial rents and housing, but how are the existing ratepayers (past down to renters) supposed to find the extra money on top of the petrol taxes, for the tourist highway to CBD and SkyCity stops for all these new people?

     Likewise if we have half a million people coming into Auckland on $20 p/h and expected to pay $9 or even negative taxes, while pushing down wages, or satellite families for children/elderly, it’s putting more strain on the rest of the country to raise the taxes for all the roads, transport, hospitals, schools, super….

     I’m not blaming the people coming, I’m just pointing out having more people to benefit the 1%, while the 60% of low waged workers are worse off, might not be a winning strategy. Nor spending billions in infrastructure so that there is another liquor store and takeaway and broken down truck venture delivering to them, or truck and trailer of fill or chickens going backwards and forwards for decades through Auckland, or more million dollars apartments for Singapore investors rented to Aucklander’s (using accomodation supplements from government), on the Auckland landscape.

     None of these favoured NZ ventures is long term gain to the country, or going to grow productivity and create long term prosperity, quite the opposite, increasing inequality!
     • SaveNZ 1.1.1

       24 July 2018 at 9:52 am

       Perhaps time for council to rethink strategy towards higher waged, higher tax paying, more sustainable business (aka high tech or green tech) being the focus for growth in Auckland…
     • AB 1.1.2

       24 July 2018 at 10:09 am

       And with 4 degrees of warming – what are all those tens of thousands of people transported into the central city going to be doing?
       Is it possible that we are now solving the problem that should have been solved immediately post-WWII? And while the craft beer drinkers and film festival attendees think it’s really marvellous, it’s got little to do with our actual future?
2. Sanctuary 2

   24 July 2018 at 7:55 am

   I was listening to Winston Peters this morning on Radio NZ being interviewed as acting PM, and I found myself nodding in agreement…

   I need a lie down and a warm flannel on my forehead.
   • Rosemary McDonald 2.1

     24 July 2018 at 9:03 am

     “I was listening to Winston Peters this morning on Radio NZ….”

     I’m assuming you’re referring to this….

     https://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/morningreport/audio/2018654916/winston-peters-slams-tobacco-tax

     …not this? https://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/birds-on-morning-report/audio/2586406/japanese-snipe

     🙂
   • Anne 2.2

     24 July 2018 at 9:09 am

     It’s been happening to me too. Really concerning….
     • cleangreen 2.2.1

       24 July 2018 at 12:25 pm

       Anne at 2.2 said

       “It’s been happening to me too. Really concerning….”

       Was this after this? Sanctuary said; “I was listening to Winston Peters this morning on Radio NZ being interviewed as acting PM, and I found myself nodding in agreement…”

       There is a simple answer to the temporary condition that you are currently suffering from; it is that you are clearly hearing ‘common sense here’ from NZF Leader & Acting PM Peters.
       • Anne 2.2.1.1

         24 July 2018 at 3:57 pm

         My comment was in answer to Sanctuary and is also tongue in cheek. Unfortunately there is no emoticon for t in c.

         And yes common sense prevails. It has prevailed since October of last year.
   • Cinny 2.3

     24 July 2018 at 9:55 am

     Hehehehehehe funny 🙂 Will have to have a listen, cheers for the link.
   • Bill 2.4

     24 July 2018 at 10:12 am

     Why doesn’t NZ simply pass a “right to roam” act?

     So, y’know, apart from walking into someone’s dwelling, and also allowing for privacy/lack of disturbance (eg no right to traipse through someone’s garden), legislate that people can traverse land.

     Other exceptions might be recognised visitor attractions that normally charge an entry fee and bumbling straight through a farmer’s crop (walk around the edge of such fields).
     • Sam C 2.4.1

       24 July 2018 at 12:12 pm

       The interesting point about the Hunter Valley case, that nobody seems to be picking up on (or is willfully ignoring), is that there is access to that conservation land already, via marginal strip. That provides for walking access. But no, people are no longer satisfied with walking access, they want to be able to drive their SUVs wherever they please, because they think that is their right – hence pushing for an easement on the 40kms of gravel road.
       The Cochrane family, who had the lease before Matt Lauer, actually had more restrictive access over Hunter Valley Station, so the change of ownership has been a good thing for public access. Of course, because Lauer is American, there is no mention of that.
       • veutoviper 2.4.1.1

         24 July 2018 at 1:02 pm

         Thanks for that info, Sam C, re the marginal strip access and the previous lease. I agree with your comments re people wanting more than walking access, eg SUVs etc – and also with B Waghorn’s wonderfully worded one “But having slack jawed morons wandering around farms is a recipe for disaster.”

         I was interested in Peters’ views this morning on RNZ suggesting that the OIO did not do its work properly.

         RNZ actually has a several separate articles up on their website this morning re the Hunter Valley situation and Matt Lauer. Here is the link to the one about Peters’ view on the OIO – which has links to the other two articles today and some previous ones in the Related Articles column on the right.

         http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/political/362479/winston-peters-overseas-investment-office-didn-t-do-its-job-over-matt-lauer-sale
         • Draco T Bastard 2.4.1.1.1

           24 July 2018 at 2:49 pm

           We can point out that the government hasn’t done their job properly in that they’ve opened NZ land up for sale to non-citizens. That should never have happened.
       • Koff 2.4.1.2

         24 July 2018 at 1:38 pm

         The Hunter Valley Road is the only viable access to the Hawea Conservation Park, which is part of the publicly owned conservation estate. Few people are prepared to walk up 40 km of gravel road through a sheep station so that they can get to public land. Winston was right to criticize the sale of crown land to Lauer without proper access to Hawea and the OIO’s decision but whether words will lead to action is questionable. Scandinavian countries have extensive ‘right to roam’ rules over private land (reference to Bill’s question above) that are centuries old and part of the culture there. Don’t think they would work in NZ, perhaps because we have a higher percentage of dickheads. One of the reasons for getting to remote places like Hawea is to get away from them!
         • Sam C 2.4.1.2.1

           24 July 2018 at 1:48 pm

           There is plenty of publicly owned conservation estate all over NZ that few people are prepared to walk to. And long may that last. Keeps the dickheads out and allows those of us prepared to put the hard yards in to enjoy it, without half of Queenstown dropping their litter and shitting in the creek beds.
           • Bearded Git 2.4.1.2.1.1

             28 July 2018 at 9:59 am

             Very public spirited Sam.
         • Tricledrown 2.4.1.2.2

           28 July 2018 at 11:12 am

           Not so straight forward the road is a shifting dirt track farm road.
           With dangerous river crossings that can’t be walked.
           Any one can get permission to use this road.
           But not when farming safety and flooding.
           It would be far quicker and safer to use a boat to get to the head of lake Hawea.
           Only very experienced Bush trekkers can safely access the Hunter Valley conservation area.
           Let’s not get carried away
       • Bearded Git 2.4.1.3

         24 July 2018 at 5:33 pm

         its a bit more complicated than that because the river moves in its bed but the marginal strip doesnt so access not guaranteed
         • Sam C 2.4.1.3.1

           24 July 2018 at 11:40 pm

           No. Do your homework. Marginal strips (1987 Conservation Act) move with the waterway. s58 (Land Act 1948) strips are immovable.

           So many clowns (clearly who don’t understand the backcountry of NZ) putting their ignorant views forward.
           • Bearded Git 2.4.1.3.1.1

             28 July 2018 at 9:54 am

             You are right Sam but my understanding is that this is not true in all cases. Perhaps this is only true for all MS’s created after the 1987 Conservation Act?

             Marginal strips have not been recognised on many Crown Pastoral Lease properties until they went through tenure review when they are identified and mapped.
     • bwaghorn 2.4.2

       24 July 2018 at 12:13 pm

       I have know problem with easements to get people to beaches and national parks . And could live with it being forced if agreement can’t be reached .
       But having slack jawed morons wandering around farms is a recipe for disaster .
     • McFlock 2.4.3

       24 July 2018 at 12:56 pm

       Might raise some Treaty issues if not done deftly.

       It would also have to account for things like movement restrictions because of Kauri dieback and suchlike.

       But it’s an interesting concept to roll around in my brain, nothing too untoward about it at all.
     • Patricia Bremner 2.4.4

       24 July 2018 at 1:42 pm

       1000%
   • cleangreen 2.5

     24 July 2018 at 12:07 pm

     Thanks Sanctuary for the giggle you gave me this morning; – well said sport.

     You said;
     “Listening to Winston this morning; – I found myself nodding in agreement…

     I need a lie down and a warm flannel on my forehead.”

     Have a good restful snooze afterwards.
3. SaveNZ 3

   24 July 2018 at 9:27 am

   Good health news, hopefully going back to prevention approach with doctors, more innovation and early intervention to get better outcomes!

   Stroke patients getting new lease on life with ‘miraculous’ procedure
   https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/105509120/stroke-patients-getting-new-lease-on-life-with-miraculous-procedure
   • cleangreen 3.1

     24 July 2018 at 12:55 pm

     Thanks SaveNZ.

     When my stroke hit me in 2005 i was at a batch in Lake Waikaremoana with no internet or phone line available, I couldnt even lift a cup up and put it down but luckily I had some ‘asprin and Niacin’ to thin my blood and dialate my blood vessels and arteries respectively, and by me actually hitting myself for most of the night on niacin that caused a lot of ‘flushing’ (a hot pin pricking feeling) by moring I could walk again and had a good chance of partical recovery until by two days later when my doctor gave me a ‘chelation’ iv using (EDTA) to assist to partically unblock my clot that caused my sroke.

     I tried the usual route here;
     After spending five hours at the hostpital the day after the stroke all that netted me was only having a CT scan and no treatment for my stroke.

     I was forced to go to my doctor three days after the incident for effective treatment.

     So if you my friend or anyone does wind up like i did; – please look for immeadiate solutioins and not just wait to get some service at the Hospital days later; – as the literature said get treatment quickly, -and if stroke/high blood pressure prone please always carry some genuine asprin (acetylsalicylic acid (ASA) (not disprin) and niacin (B3) with you always.

     Only acetylsalicylic acid (ASA) thins the blood as vinegar does but the other painkillers do not if they dont contain acetylsalicylic acid (ASA) as most are sythetically produced and are not from natural ingredients.
     • McFlock 3.1.1

       24 July 2018 at 1:04 pm

       zouch, remote and no means of contact? These things can turn up at the worst moments, eh.

       The aspirin and niacin was a cunning plan.

       But anyone in reach of a phone – ambulance time.

       FAST:

       Facial drooping: A section of the face, usually only on one side, that is drooping and hard to move. This can be recognized by a crooked smile.
       Arm weakness: The inability to raise one’s arm fully
       Speech difficulties: An inability or difficulty to understand or produce speech
       Time: If any of the symptoms above are showing, time is of the essence; call the emergency services or go to the hospital.
     • marty mars 3.1.2

       24 July 2018 at 1:17 pm

       Tough situation – sounds like you did really well.

       After my heart attack last year I’ve been wondering what the future holds as mum had an early heart attack and then 10 years later the strokes started – probably 6 over 9 years till the last one took her out.

       I’m hoping the meds and exercise as well as reduced stress ☺ will help keep it all at bay at least until the kids are old enough to remember me.
       • Patricia Bremner 3.1.2.1

         24 July 2018 at 1:47 pm

         Watch your salt intake… a big contributor.
4. ianmac 4

   24 July 2018 at 9:45 am

   On Sunday evening I watched Teina Pora’s story. Was transfixed. A great production which hugely contrasts with American versions of similar stories.
   And our good friend Simon Bridges is opposed to a criminal Review system.
   A write up of the program:
   https://www.nzherald.co.nz/entertainment/news/article.cfm?c_id=1501119&objectid=12092509
5. marty mars 5

   24 July 2018 at 10:05 am

   Interesting long read, with music. I love the banjo – just something about the cool sound it makes just hits me deep.

   https://www.theguardian.com/music/2018/jul/23/white-people-are-so-fragile-bless-em-rhiannon-giddens-banjo-warrior-cambridge-folk-festival
   • Carolyn_Nth 5.1

     24 July 2018 at 10:25 am

     Ah. I also read that with interest this morning, marty.

     I like quite a bit of country music – it has roots also in Irish and Scottish working class/people’s music – ofte music of resistance.

     It was a revelation to learn that the banjo comes from Africa, plus the one-string fiddle.

     I like mostly some alt country music: Johnny Cash, Steve Earle, Brandi Carlile, some of Dylan, etc.

     Rhiannon Giddens is now someone I will look out for on youtube.
     • marty mars 5.1.1

       24 July 2018 at 10:54 am

       Yeah she is one to watch.

       I don’t mind a bit of country – prob lean towards old school country with a bit of spoons now and then 😊

       https://youtu.be/_nLmM9kcBKs

       And

       https://youtu.be/e4Ao-iNPPUc
       • Carolyn_Nth 5.1.1.1

         24 July 2018 at 11:05 am

         Spoons – yeah, cool. Cheap accessible instrument. The history apparently goes back to at least the Egyptians, Greeeks and Romans, but has been used around the world since about when spoons were invented.

         And when I lived in Aussie, I learned country had become a significant part of Aussie indigenous culture: Heard a lot in rural Aussie in 1920s:

         This, mixed with the heavy influence of gospel music sung throughout Australian missionaries, formed a new wave of stories that told tales of dispossession, rebellion and heartache that faced black Australians. Aboriginal Country Music became its own style of music.
         • marty mars 5.1.1.1.1

           24 July 2018 at 11:20 am

           Interesting thanks.

           Spoons were essential instruments in the deep South where I grew up.
           • Robert Guyton 5.1.1.1.1.1

             24 July 2018 at 1:54 pm

             Spoons?
             Saws; that’s where it’s at!
             
             • marty mars …

               24 July 2018 at 1:56 pm

               Looks a bit aucklandy mate ☺

               Skillful though.
             • joe90 …

               24 July 2018 at 2:04 pm

               Saws?

               Rubber chooks ftw
     • cleangreen 5.1.2

       24 July 2018 at 1:27 pm

       Carolyn, – try Dylans old album fromm1969 “Nashville skyline”

       I got hooked on his entry into the ‘blueridge mountain’ bluegrass music then while I was there.
       • Carolyn_Nth 5.1.2.1

         24 July 2018 at 1:40 pm

         cg, I was a big fan of Dylan in the late 60s, and 70s. So I am very familiar with that album, and part of why I included him as an alt-country artist. And yes, Nashville Skyline mainstreams country in his songs.

         Also includes Girl from the North Country, which was first included in an earlier album, freewheelin Dylan:
6. Cinny 6

   24 July 2018 at 10:09 am

   Tova slammed simon bridges this morning, saying his road show was a complete waste of time. He had a six week opportunity and he blew it.

   https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2018/07/political-wrap-benefits-iran-and-haumaha.html

   Re benefit sanctions and simon wanting to re introduce them. Spoke to someone who went to the WINZ last week, things have changed there she said. Poor woman ended up having a break down at the office due to stresses in her life. Her case worker listened, supported her, gave her advice and direction on how to get help and counseling. Case worker told her not to worry about looking for work for the next couple of weeks, because it is more important for her to get help for her stresses etc. Case worker then contacted her a couple of days later just to make sure she was ok.

   Some people have difficulty looking for work because they are so messed up, due to other factors in their life, that’s what they need support and help for. Warmed my heart to hear this story. Sometimes people just need to know that someone cares and wants to help them, sometimes this is more important than anything else.

   Taking things away (ie benefit sanctions) from someone who is already suffering helps no one. Not everyone is lazy, some people are simply messed up and need professional help.

   Have WINZ staff been retrained under our new government? Or did the woman just get lucky with an understanding case manager?
   • veutoviper 6.1

     24 July 2018 at 11:44 am

     Good to hear that Cinny. And I have had a similar experience with the WINZ Seniors staff over the last month or so. A marked difference in attitude and help provided.

     In my experience in the last 8-10 or so years, there was a marked difference in approach between WINZ staff dealing with those under 65 and staff dealing with those on Super. (I did some ad hoc voluntary advocacy for people with mental health issues on benefits for some years; then had to give up work for health/disability reasons myself two years short of 65 and was a beneficiary once my savings ran out; and then transitioned onto Super.)

     IMHO this differential declined somewhat over the last few years as they also drastically cut the number of Super staff available for face to face appointments (here in Wellington anyway) – meaning that you had to wait weeks for a face to face appointment and then the case manager was under so much pressure that the appointment would be rushed and superficial – and things would not get sorted properly.

     About six weeks ago I was in one of those awful situations where a whole lot of things happened at once (broken appliances, a broken car, and me needing emergency dental surgery and other related dental treatment) and I was under massive physical and financial stress. I had a meltdown on the phone to WINZ Super staff. The (senior) person I was talking to was marvelous, talked me down etc and within days I had a $300 grant for some of the dental work plus loans for the rest and for fixing the car etc, and a personal case manager. The senior person has also been in contact with me several times and I have their direct contact details plus those of my case manager. Some outstanding matters (eg my and my doctors’ applications for disability allowance for the last few years) are now slowly getting sorted.

     The attitude etc of the people I have dealt with recently has been so much better than in the past. I have asked them whether they have been receiving training etc – they were reticent in their responses but the difference is marked! I have also complimented them on it and strongly expressed hope that the empathy and help that I received is also being applied to beneficiaries under 65 years of age etc.
     • Cinny 6.1.1

       24 July 2018 at 1:01 pm

       V.V, thanks for sharing, that was fascinating and encouraging. I’m really happy for you. Long may the ‘new attitude’ at WINZ continue and improve.

       Someone caring and treating another with compassion and understanding goes a long long way. It’s heart warming to hear such stories, life changing, life saving even.
     • Draco T Bastard 6.1.2

       24 July 2018 at 3:02 pm

       And I have had a similar experience with the WINZ Seniors staff over the last month or so.

       I had the exact opposite last month but that came with a change in person from whom I used to see.
   • AsleepWhileWalking 6.2

     24 July 2018 at 11:53 am

     This is a most fascinating post and without time to read the thread I randomly jumped to it.

     What area is that in if you don’t mind me asking?
     • Cinny 6.2.1

       24 July 2018 at 1:03 pm

       Hey there A.W.W, the lady I spoke with went to the Motueka office.
       • AsleepWhileWalking 6.2.1.1

         24 July 2018 at 3:30 pm

         Cheers
   • bwaghorn 6.3

     24 July 2018 at 12:19 pm

     I was astounded and impressed buy Obrians nuanced take on sanctions ie one that punishes a woman for not naming the father is worse than other sanctions .
     Even garner was calling national out for going been bashing to try and get some air time.
   • RedLogix 6.4

     24 July 2018 at 12:24 pm

     My brother always said he could tell what govt was in power simply by the reception he got at WINZ.
     • veutoviper 6.4.1

       24 July 2018 at 1:06 pm

       Spot on, bro!
   • Bewildered 6.5

     24 July 2018 at 5:14 pm

     Nice story Cinny but you can’t run policy on nice feelings and individual anecdotes, policy needs to be on collective good, rationality and evidence
     • Cinny 6.5.1

       24 July 2018 at 9:18 pm

       I agree with you Bewildered, however, one can take a look at the person as a whole, on a case by case basis, and offer some hope. Such actions would be more beneficial to all than treating someone as number on a sheet that gets a tick next to it if they get a job and worries about whatever else is going on for them.

       No point helping someone get a job if they are a bit messed up, and as a result they end up failing in the job, unable to hold it down etc, which only leads to more feelings of misery by said person. Or more job interviews that don’t work out because they are ‘messed up’. Vicious unproductive circle in that approach. Better to help the person, then help them get a job.

       Surely there would be studies on such.
7. SaveNZ 7

   24 July 2018 at 10:15 am

   On the topic of “One in two go without heating due to cost”, survey finds no mention of this….

   Way to be cleared for big electricity players to prey on low-income households

   https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/opinion/102708888/way-to-be-cleared-for-big-electricity-players-to-prey-on-lowincome-households
   • Patricia Bremner 7.1

     24 July 2018 at 2:06 pm

     That has happened here in Aus. My brother in NSW has 16 panels on his roof. He has had money back from the grid and no or very low bills. Others are complaining of $1200.00 bills for a quarter 13 weeks. So maybe Megan has a point. If you join NZ Greypower, you get their cheap rate, we pay about $60.00 a fortnight.

     There is quite an arguement that the poor are subsidising the rich here in Aus, to the point it is a political football. Not sure apart from Nationalising, what can be done.

     Always have been fights and blockades to new technologies, by vested interests.
     Perhaps “The winter payment to cardholders” NZ is a plan to buffer this?
8. marty mars 8

   24 July 2018 at 10:16 am

   The silting of scallop beds in Mohua Golden Bay.

   Good article

   https://www.nzgeo.com/stories/what-we-do-in-the-shallows/

   The effects of our poor and commodification style land and sea practices will haunt us for generations.
   • Stuart Munro 8.1

     24 July 2018 at 11:44 am

     Great piece Marty – thanks for that.
   • veutoviper 8.2

     24 July 2018 at 1:33 pm

     Also my thanks for the link, marty.

     Great article – and fantastic photography from the wonderful Rob Suisted. I worked with Rob at DOC HQ in Wellington back in the second half of the 1990s when I went in as part of a team sorting things following the Cave Creek disaster. Rob was then National Marine Mammal Advisor and great at his job. It really was a toss up as to whether to encourage him to stay at DOC due to his skills and knowledge in that area – or to back him and his tremendous photographic skills in his dream to step into the unknown and become a self employed photographer. A really nice person to boot.

     But I digress. Did you see this comment and link (re Waimea Dam Doomed?) a few days ago ?

     https://thestandard.org.nz/daily-review-19-07-2018/#comment-1504869

     This Stuff article yesterday was also encouraging re “A group of Marlborough students on a mission to save New Zealand’s marine life has impressed the Prime Minister with their passion. The year 12 and 13 Marlborough Girls’ College students wrote to Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern hoping to update marine legislation, and do away with some of the red tape that had held up similar projects. …”

     https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/105616357/impressed-pm-jacinda-ardern-thanks-students-for-fantastic-work
     • marty mars 8.2.1

       24 July 2018 at 1:47 pm

       Missed that Waimea damn dam one. Have been following it because as pickles noted Tasman, including GB will help pay for it!! Yeah nah ta – doomed is good. Already pretty poor vibes between Tasman council and a lot of GB ressies because of grandstand and a few other bits and bobs.
9. marty mars 9

   24 July 2018 at 10:44 am

   I think he should be boycotted- unacceptable 5 years ago and today. I’ll never watch him again (doesn’t mean much cos I never watched him hardly anyway).

   https://i.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/tv-radio/105702598/calls-for-boycott-as-racist-trevor-noah-clip-resurfaces
   • Gosman 9.1

     24 July 2018 at 10:56 am

     His comments about Africa winning the World cup via France was equally racist.
     • marty mars 9.1.1

       24 July 2018 at 11:03 am

       Can you elaborate?
       • Gosman 9.1.1.1

         24 July 2018 at 11:10 am

         He claimed that France winning the World cup was really a victory for Africa because the French team had a large number of players that were African in origin. This despite the fact that the majority of them were either born or brought up in France from an early age AND had learned to play Football in France. It is like claiming that the All Blacks winning the Rugby Union World cup is a victory for the Pacific Islands.
         • marty mars 9.1.1.1.1

           24 July 2018 at 11:18 am

           I’m not trying to be awkward but why do you think that is racist?

           Is it the disregarding France bit, the ‘we can’t tell them apart’ bit or something else?
           • Gosman 9.1.1.1.1.1

             24 July 2018 at 11:28 am

             Because he thinks the fact that a French player of a particular ethnic background is somehow as much (if not more) African than French. That is racist thinking. Just as Richie McCaw’s success as a Rugby player was not attributed to Scotland or the rest of Europe so Kylian Mbappé abilities are not shared with Cameroon or the entire continent of Africa.
             • marty mars …

               24 July 2018 at 11:35 am

               Thanks.
       • joe90 9.1.1.2

         24 July 2018 at 12:35 pm

         French ambassador to the US gave Noah a serve.

         On @TheDailyShow , @Trevornoah called the @FrenchTeam 's World Cup win an "African victory." Read Ambassador @GerardAraud 's response: pic.twitter.com/KR0kFOxDOw— French Embassy U.S. (@franceintheus) July 18, 2018

         https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DiargMdVAAAGraN.jpg
         • marty mars 9.1.1.2.1

           24 July 2018 at 12:48 pm

           “… This, even in jest, legitimizes the ideology which claims whiteness as the only definition of being French”

           Excellent point.

           I wonder if a Tahitian Independence advocate considers themselves French.
           • adam 9.1.1.2.1.1

             24 July 2018 at 1:12 pm

             Or under the benevolent thumb of French cultural dominance and economic oppression.

             Funny the Tahitian youth almost beat us on Youth Suicide, but on this we will not be beaten!

             (note – read this above with dripping sarcasm, otherwise it will sound odd)
   • McFlock 9.2

     24 July 2018 at 1:24 pm

     Bugger, that’s really disappointing.
10. adam 10

    24 July 2018 at 11:55 am

    The wonderful Laura Flanders – Video time 27 minutes.

    Jeremy Corbyn: Transformative Economics Through Political Organizing

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M-uAdOrFv48&ab_channel=TheLauraFlandersShow

    Makes you realise how right wing the NZ labour party are, not just economically.
11. Ad 11

    24 July 2018 at 1:25 pm

    Be interesting to see what this Serious Fraud Office raid on the office of the Maori King brings up.
    • marty mars 11.1

      24 July 2018 at 1:30 pm

      Why?
    • JohnnyB 11.2

      24 July 2018 at 1:47 pm

      Agreed. It is going to be interesting. Linky http://mobile.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.php?c_id=1&objectid=12094378
    • veutoviper 11.3

      24 July 2018 at 1:50 pm

      Comments like this are so frustrating, Ad! Where is your link or links?????

      Of course I had to drop everything and google. Right, I had forgotten about Matt Nippert’s latest ongoing ‘dog with a bone’.

      Here is a link for others to the latest – https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12094378

      As it is a very short article here it is, but the actual link does include an interesting video of Matt, in his famous (or should that be infamous?) brown suit, buttonholing Maori King advisor Rangi Whakaruru at Auckland Airport some time ago.

      “The office of the Māori King has been raided by Serious Fraud Office investigators probing claims of financial mismanagement.

      The raid this morning at the King’s offices at the Endowed College Buildings in Ngāruawāhia follows a referral from the Charities Service who have spent the past year looking into claims of misspending at Ururangi Trust.

      Ururangi is a registered charity intended to support the functions of King Tūheitia Paki, funded annually by Tainui to the tune of $2m. In 2015 it was the subject of an adverse Charities Service investigation and warned further issues could see its charitable status revoked.

      Ururangi has been the subject of a long-running Herald investigation, canvassing lavish spending on luxury automobiles, international travel and a mysterious $46,000 invoice for stomach-stapling surgery paid by Tainui despite documentation being unclear as to who actually received the operation.”

      EDIT – SNAP JohnnyB but will leave as is.
12. veutoviper 12

    24 July 2018 at 1:55 pm

    When finding the Herald article related to the SFO raid of the Maori King’s office, I came across this Herald article also about a Police matter relating to Clarke Gayford …

    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12093673
13. joe90 13

    24 July 2018 at 3:17 pm

    Record highs in Japan and North America, wide spread fires in Sweden, Greece and the US, we’re fiddling while we burn.

    This month’s scorching heat wave broke records around the world. The Algerian city of Ouargla, with a population of half a million, had a temperature of 124.3 degrees Fahrenheit on July 6, the hottest reliably measured temperature on record in Africa. In Ireland and Wales, the unusually hot weather revealed ancient structures normally hidden by grass or crops. In Chino, California, the mercury soared to 120 degrees. Another round of hazardous summer heat is expected this week, with record high temperatures possible in the southern United States.

    https://thebulletin.org/2018/07/global-heat-wave-an-epic-tv-news-fail/

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/sweden-faces-extreme-fire-risk-coming-days-142738368.html

    https://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2018/07/23/4-day-heat-wave-southern-california/
    • miravox 13.1

      24 July 2018 at 9:52 pm

      “we’re fiddling while we burn”

      It’s all the fault of the scientists

      I mean how are we meant to trust them when the reckons were that we had more time?

      /sarc (of course)
14. adam 14

    24 July 2018 at 4:12 pm

    This is a very informative and in depth piece from Cenk Uygur. Around the firing of the director of The Guardians Of The Galaxy III. 20 minutes, goes into how the alt-right trolls work and how they do things.
    • joe90 14.1

      24 July 2018 at 4:51 pm

      More on CV’s favourite alt filth.

      https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/mike-cernovich-james-gunn-fired_us_5b5265cce4b0fd5c73c570ac?o0s
      • One Two 14.1.1

        24 July 2018 at 10:53 pm

        CV…on a long term ban…can’t defend himself…

        That’s who you’re taking a stab at?
15. R.P Mcmurphy 15

    24 July 2018 at 8:22 pm

    channel 31.
    today nationals getting more and more frantic.
    nikki kaye getting ruder and ruder as she repeats coalition members names over and over.
    this is just horrible behaviour and right now chris penk is using words that are too big for him. he is banausic , his jokes are not funny and his allusions are pissweak with absolutley no substance whatsoever.
    what baffles me is where do the nationals party get these namby pamby little twerps from.
    they all look and sound like they have come out of the same weetbix packet and their underpants are too tight.
    new zeland deserves beter than this.
    • One Two 15.1

      24 July 2018 at 10:56 pm

      NZ, does not deserve better…

      NZ, is getting exactly what it is allowing to happen…
16. Jenny 16

    24 July 2018 at 9:17 pm

    Can genocide ever be justified?

    Donald J. Trump
    ✔
    @realDonaldTrump
    To Iranian President Rouhani: NEVER, EVER THREATEN THE UNITED STATES AGAIN OR YOU WILL SUFFER CONSEQUENCES THE LIKES OF WHICH FEW THROUGHOUT HISTORY HAVE EVER SUFFERED BEFORE. WE ARE NO LONGER A COUNTRY THAT WILL STAND FOR YOUR DEMENTED WORDS OF VIOLENCE & DEATH. BE CAUTIOUS!

    1:24 PM – Jul 23, 2018
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    222K people are talking about this

    Consequences the like of which few throughout history have ever suffered?

    What does this mean?

    Throughout history?

    Worse than Dresden? Worse than Warsaw? Worse than Hiroshima?

    Are these the sort of historical examples that Donald Trump is threatening to visit on the Iranian people?

    How long will the world have to put up with this savage?
17. Eco Maori 17

    25 July 2018 at 7:33 am

    Good morning The AM Show it good to see the government attack the correct corruption the big money laundering organisation.
    It would be Nice to see them go after the business fraud that’s billions. of dollars of missed revenue for our society. The last government were just common tangata basher and they had another boot this week.
    Condolences to the whano of the tangata in Greece who have died it a tragedy that I have to capitalise on. We are axcerarating the destruction of Papatuanukue we are turning the Paradise that the GOD’S have gifted us into a place of Hell.
    And why is this still happening well its the Greedy rich who want to control ALL the tangata of Papatuanukue they don’t care if the consequences of there action turns Papatuanukue into Hell.
    Duncan you know how it is you get information on a subject and you change your opinion Winston has changed his mind on the tabbaco subject I’m not going to give my opinion on the subject. If there is a direct connection between the price of smokes and the sharp increase in burglarys you can not deny that fact.
    Sir Avery is doing a good thing a product that can save the most vulnerable of Papatuanukue society.
    Ka kite ano
18. Eco Maori 18

    25 July 2018 at 8:06 am

    I don’t trust the Owner of the Newsroom website I still have questions for him to answers. Ana to kai Ka kite ano
19. eco maori 19

    25 July 2018 at 6:47 pm

    Good evening Newshub some people think its safer to sleep on the streets than in a building the cold and damp unsafe environment will stuff up ones lungs and cause respiratory problems there are many problems that the tangata on the streets face the od night in a cold damp environment won’t cause to much harm to ones health but sleeping every night in these condition’s is shortening there lives and this is a crime in my eyes so please help the innocent vulnerable tangata all around Aotearoa Get a good safe place to sleep OUR society has place them in this predicament . I know I can be a bit defensive but I think its understandable coming from Eco Maori.
    The yacht tragedy show’s Eco Maori that the rules are different when you come from a elite New Zealand family hypocrisy plutocracy is what comes to mind you know what would have happened if they were brown broke tangata te pukapuka would have thrown them straight into the hinaki .
    Ka kite ano

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