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Roy Morgan shocker

Written By: - Date published: 8:52 pm, July 31st, 2013 - 342 comments
Categories: polls - Tags: ,

Latest Roy Morgan is out and it’s a shocker. Labour has dropped below 30% and the Nats are now over 50%.

Dropping into the 20’s is a very bad sign for Labour and will no doubt renew speculation about David Shearer’s leadership just at a time when the Government should be on the ropes.

It’s just one poll, of course, but then so are all the others…

Full results:

National 51% (up 4%)
Labour 29% (down 2%)
Greens 10% (down 1.5%)
New Zealand First 4% (down 0.5%)
Maori Party 1.5% (down 0.5%)
ACT NZ 1% (up 0.5%)
Mana Party 1% (down 0.5%)
Conservatives 1.5% (unchanged)
United Future 0% (unchanged)
Others 1% (up 0.5%)

342 comments on “Roy Morgan shocker”

  1. Paul 1

    If there’s a bounce after this because of the new housing policy, then that’s proof the electorate want to see bolder policy from the Labour Party. Conclusion for LP – roll out more radical policy measures.
    If there’s no bounce, then Shearer must go.
    Whatever happens, it is clear that Labour playing National lite just is not a plausible policy.

    • Granted 1.1

      I don’t comment here often – I usually support national. Your comment about more radical policies is what keeps me from changing who I vote for.

      Its the radical element that puts me off Labour/Greens. Some of what the Greens can sort of make sense but needs to be watered down as their assumptions always appear to be flawed.

      I dislike the announced policy to nationalise power and dislike the latest housing policy announcement of Labour – what proportion of no-residents have purchased what share of houses sold in last three years?

      I am not stating that National are doing a great job, but I find that the policy announcements of Labour/Greens just puts me off.

  2. Colonial Viper 2

    Let’s wait just a bit longer…the tide will come in for Labour…surely.

  3. Roflcopter 3

    Labour – down
    Greens – down
    Mana – down
    NZF – down

    It’s not a Labour-only problem, NZ is fed up with the antics of the left overall… but the left won’t change, just blame everyone but themselves.

    • Paul 3.1

      Antics?

    • Paul 3.2

      Sense all the other left parties are being dragged down by association.

    • Draco T Bastard 3.3

      The only people I see blaming everyone else happens to be the political-right. Every time that something goes wrong, National say that it’s Labour’s fault. Every time that something goes right National claim it as their own even when it was Labour or another party that initiated it.

      • Paul 3.3.1

        Far too easy to push around.

      • TheContrarian 3.3.2

        “Every time that something goes wrong, Political party of the day say that it’s the other party’s fault. Every time that something goes right Political party of the day claim it as their own even when it was the other party or another party that initiated it.’

        FIFY

        • Draco T Bastard 3.3.2.1

          Nope.

        • You_Fool 3.3.2.2

          “Every time that something goes wrong, Government party of the day say that it’s the oppositions fault. Every time that something goes right Government party of the day claim it as their own even when it was another party that initiated it. When in opposition left-leaning parties blame themselves and the government when things go wrong, right wing parties blame the government.”

          FIFY

    • halfcrown 3.4

      What antics?

  4. Sanctuary 4

    I would hate to think what Labour’s percentage of support amongst all voters would be if you factored in the undecided and will not vote. 15%?

  5. Pete 5

    The man ban debacle filtering through? The past few days have been good for Labour, but I’m forming the view they don’t have enough in the tank for next year. Not with Shearer at the wheel, anyway.

    • Vagabundo 5.1

      Looking at the polling period, it’s likely the man ban debacle plus the shit stirred by Garner’s attempt at manufacturing a coup. The polling period ended this past Sunday, so anything since (i.e. the latest GCSB-related blow up) would have had little effect. There was no way Labour’s numbers wouldn’t take a hit after a wretched couple of weeks. Losing 2% isn’t as bad as I was expecting, but it’s still pretty dire.

      Assuming the next 10 days or so continue like the last couple for the government and opposition, Labour should be back in the low-to-mid 30s and National down to the 40s, but in all likelihood, this has probably sealed Shearer’s fate as Labour leader.

    • Anne 5.2

      The man ban debacle filtering through?

      I should think so. I hope those people in the Labour Party who were pushing for the remit might start to understand how naive they were. Everybody agreed with the sentiment but what a stupid way to go about achieving it… especially when the party is almost there anyway.

      • stargazer 5.2.1

        or maybe it was actually the way the parliamentary leadership & some of our MPs dealt with the issue that was more destructive than the remit itself? perhaps it’s time for MPs to understand that when they attack their own membership, it looks pretty bad all round.

        • Anne 5.2.1.1

          Agree stargazer there’s much truth in what you say, but on this occasion most of the fault lies with the originators of the remit. They were naive. There’s nothing else you can say about them.
          Remember it was the discovery of the remit itself that attracted all the public derision, not the party leader’s response to it.

          • QoT 5.2.1.1.1

            Remember it was the discovery of the remit itself that attracted all the public derision, not the party leader’s response to it.

            Yes, that was definitely the problem, not Shearer’s complete inability to respond quickly, utter a complete sentence, control the message or discipline his caucus before they all started blabbing to the nearest microphone. :roll:

  6. So the trend is bad/really bad/terrible?

  7. Private Baldric 7

    I blame Greg Presland !

    • Colonial Viper 7.1

      Clearly, it’s the ordinary Labour membership and assorted low level drones causing this low performance.

    • mickysavage 7.2

      Gee Cameron can’t you train and send over anyone better than this?

    • tc 7.3

      Who is he ? Can’t recall an MP /senior adviser to the old guard with any such name.

  8. Curtis 8

    It’s so frustrating every time the government has pressure put on them something else comes out to harm Labour.

  9. Fair call 9

    [deleted]

    [lprent: Already banned and now subject to an extra 8 weeks ]

    • Tamati 9.1

      The family vote ?

      Anyone who has a problem with GR being gay would probably never vote Labour who ever the Leader is.

      • Chooky 9.1.1

        @ Tamati

        Bring back Georgina Beyer…..If Cunliffe cant be leader…I vote for Georgina Beyer (..saw her again on TV tonight in the Helen Clark doco)…..Georgina was extremely popular with the electorate. She is very good looking, well dressed and charismatic and family friendly ….She is for the little people and she says it like it is!….also she is an interesting and dynamic woman….a big plus as 50% of the electorate are women!

        Grant Robertson unfortunately ( imo) has the sex appeal of a sturgeon fish….. Just as Don Brash had the sex appeal of a salamander.

        • Rhinocrates 9.1.1.1

          There are people who have fetishes for sturgeons who are probably otherwise perfectly intelligent, reasonable and likeable.

          Personally, I think that Mantis Shrimps are quite fascinating, though I am not sexually attracted to them.

          I’ve never thought about salamanders or sturgeons, and I must confess, I certainly DO NOT want to think about Robertson.

          Ever.

          Not under any circumstances.

          Not ever.

          Not even if someone positively compared him to oatmeal.

          Or leeks.

          Just don’t go there.

          No.

          NO!

          On the other hand, a sack of potatoes could look rather attractive…

          • Chooky 9.1.1.1.1

            @ Rhinocrates …..Squawk ! squawk!

            We should have a fish picture exhibition….match the fish with the politician

  10. BLiP 10

    Really, New Zealand? Really?

    • Brett Dale 10.1

      Yes, really. seriously really.

      • Colonial Viper 10.1.1

        Dammit BD. It seems most of NZ don’t see Labour as representing their ideals, values or interests.

        Perhaps if we follow up an earlier suggestion from today and have Labour lead on developing a gender-neutral term for “landlord”, things would improve.

      • Paul 10.1.2

        Hunter Thompson
        “In a democracy, people usually get the kind of government they deserve, and they deserve what they get.”

        • muzza 10.1.2.1

          Problem is Paul, f these numbers are reflective, and even if they’re not, large numbers of NZ voters see themselves as arrogant, lying, money driven, selfish, traitors!

          Wonderful!

          • Paul 10.1.2.1.1

            Quite depressing if you’re right.
            The neo-liberal rot will have really set in.

            • geoff 10.1.2.1.1.1

              The rot set in about 30 years ago. People wont work together until things have become much worse. That’s not to say things don’t have the potential to get a lot worse fairly quickly though.

        • UglyTruth 10.1.2.2

          In human society, people usually believe what the state tells them about about the nature of government.

  11. Shane Jones will be gnawing his own hoof off to get the top spot – I expect a big play from him soon, and God help us all if he gets there.

    • Pete 11.1

      Do I really live in a country where it’s possible the next Prime Minister is Shane Jones or Judith Collins? Please, say it ain’t so.

      • Rhinocrates 11.1.1

        Havelock Vetenari, Gaius Baltar… are these better names?

        • Pete 11.1.1.1

          Actually I developed some sympathy for both characters as BSG and Discworld progressed. I think a better comparison would be Edmund Blackadder (from the first series) and Davros.

        • Colonial Viper 11.1.1.2

          Baltar found himself in the end. Yes he was short sighted and self centred but on New Caprica he did what he could, even if it was not much. Did he like the trappings of privilege and position? Yep. But he had a final, important role to play at the battle of the Cylon Colony, and he followed through with it.

          • Rhinocrates 11.1.1.2.1

            Yep, true. Blackadder was certainly competent at least, Vetenari is a genius, Baltar was thoughtful in the end. Ah, Davros, indeed, a clever and compassionate fellow.

            Are they fictitious characters? Sure they are, but are any of our politicians anything but fictitious characters?

    • Chooky 11.2

      @ marty mars +1

    • Don't worry be happy 11.3

      NOooooo. Not the ‘non’gelding… Shane “Stallion” Jones!

  12. Jenny 12

    This is hard to believe.

    • Colonial Viper 12.1

      may be partly because Labour is not taking a principled stance on climate change and GHG emissions.

      • Te Reo Putake 12.1.1

        Very droll.

      • Jenny 12.1.2

        (It is hard to know whether you are joking or not CV). Of course. If Labour did do a Churchill, and screamed like a fire siren about this approaching existential danger that would certainly capture the attention of the electorate.

        • mickysavage 12.1.2.1

          I think that responsible political leaders ought to make climate change one of if not the most major items of business. Our grandchildren depend on it …

  13. Rhinocrates 13

    Well, for what it’s worth, my own very biased and peculiar view is that while polls show that people love Labour policy and would probably love Green policy, they still perceive the Greens as fringe and it will take time to change that and they perceive Labour as incompetent.

    As a probably Green voter, I’d like them to poll higher, but I don’t have any illusions and know that it takes years to change brand perceptions despite what marketing shysters might say, but Labour for a long time has been perceived as offering neither a real alternative nor the competence to deliver it… now yes, I do believe that their policy is improving, and is good, but seriously, does anyone believe that Shearer could deliver it, that the rabble composing the likely cabinet of cronies could be a government?

    Really, Mallard as Speaker? Mumblefuck as PM, fossilised Rogernomes like Goff and King as senior ministers, victims of terminal testosterone poisoning like Jones, and God help us, Tamihere, yuppies like that snot Hipkins in the inner circle… and the best talent on the back benches precisely because they have ideas, ability, vision?

    It may be reassuring to talk about “sleepy hobbits”, but I feel that New Zealanders do at least know incompetence when they see it.

    The good news is that the next election is for the government to lose… but there has to be a government in waiting, and so far there isn’t.

    • Paul 13.1

      51% of the country benefiting from this government…I just don’t believe it.
      I agree the Labour Party appear incompetent, yet The Greens are not incompetent and they seemingly have lost votes to the National Party too!
      NZErs must just believe Key’s spin…..

      • Lanthanide 13.1.1

        Firstly, 51% of people intending to vote, not 51% of the people.

        Secondly, people often vote for parties that don’t represent their best interests.

      • Rhinocrates 13.1.2

        The problem the Greens have is one of brand perception. Sorry if that seems arcane, but I used to be an academic teaching people who went into marketing and advertising, and dare I say it, got good positions and awards for it.

        One, people like to associate themselves with winners or perceived winners. The Greens are not likely to be a majority. That in itself counts against them. I’d like the Greens to score higher, but I’m not surprised that they don’t. They’re still seen as a secondary party, no matter how good (I think) their leadership is.

        Two, it can take a day to destroy a brand, but years to rebuild it. Jaguar, a car manufacturer, scores very well in customer satisfaction surveys because they saw how badly they were doing in the 80s and made serious efforts to improve quality through the 90s and last decade, but their sales are improving only slowly. “Once bitten, twice shy” is a very real rule.

        Three, competence and coherence. I’ve said enough on that.

        Confidence matters and people remember.

        Social media are certainly going to be, are a major factor now, but brain-dead apparatchiks like Robertson will hinder any advances in that area.

        • Colonial Viper 13.1.2.1

          Social media are certainly going to be, are a major factor now, but brain-dead apparatchiks like Robertson and Curran will hinder any advances in that area.

          Come now my good Mr ‘Crates, let’s give credit where credit is due.

        • karol 13.1.2.2

          One, people like to associate themselves with winners or perceived winners.

          Well, that must be aided by using marketing methods, treating politics as a game, and Political Parties as competing brands – all reinforced by using tools of marketing like focus groups and constant polls.

          • Rhinocrates 13.1.2.2.1

            Unfortunately, that seems to be the case… politics is not so much a case of “rational choice” as idiotic economists would have it (though “idiotic economist” is a tautology) but brand associations. A significant number of people vote according to the tribe they want to be seen to be associated with. Please convince me that I’m wrong!

            • Colonial Viper 13.1.2.2.1.1

              NZers are practical people. They will choose between political parties that they think capable of governing the nation.

              • Arfamo

                Yes but a great many of them will probably form their view of who’s capable of governing the nation from the info put out by the MSM. Who are not interested in informing so much as entertaining audiences.

                • Colonial Viper

                  So you are saying that there are real, viable, credible alternatives to a National government, its just that the MSM aren’t reporting on them?

                  • Arfamo

                    No. I’m saying where Labour does announce policy and it gets negatively framed by the MSM the public gets a negative picture first. I heard or read somewhere once that initial impressions, good or bad, are often so strongly imprinted it takes four times as much contrary input to change that initial reaction.

                    If that’s the case Labour’s got a helluva job trying to convince people their policies are sound, and that their current leader’s up to the leadership job. It might also explain why Key’s still so teflon-coated in the polls.

                    • Colonial Viper

                      Well you’ve identified the problem there. “Launching a policy” is absolutely the wrong description for the activity and partly explains why Labour keeps getting fucked.

                      The Launch of the policy is step one of about a 6 step process. Labour doesn’t do any of the other steps.

                    • Arfamo

                      I haven’t been around here long enough to know if you’ve set those out somewhere else, CV. What are full 6 steps then?

            • karol 13.1.2.2.1.2

              Unfortunately, that seems to be the case… politics is not so much a case of “rational choice” as idiotic economists would have it (though “idiotic economist” is a tautology) but brand associations. A significant number of people vote according to the tribe they want to be seen to be associated with. Please convince me that I’m wrong!

              This is the way it has become. But it could b, and has been, different. By continuing talking about politics using “neoliberal” terms, you are reinforcing the status quo.

            • Anne 13.1.2.2.1.3

              A significant number of people vote according to the tribe they want to be seen to be associated with. Please convince me that I’m wrong!

              Can’t. Because you’re right.

              The majority kid themselves they are higher on the social ladder than they really are. To convince themselves it is true they follow the flavours of the day – the home location, food, car choices, holiday choices and who they want people to associate them with. I live in a part of Auckland where I see instances of it every day. Pakeha yuppies lording it over their supposed inferiors (check-our operators) or chatting mindlessly about trivial concerns over coffee with other yuppies. They greet each other on the streets or beaches as though they’re bosom pals from way back… you know they’re not. They’re pathetic – a laugh a minute but they don’t know it.

              • karol

                I don’t know many such people.

              • Colonial Viper

                Yep. The bigger the city the bigger the falsehoods in these relationships. Smaller cities and towns, especially in the provinces, is where it gets “real”.

                You’re not going to be mean to the check-out kid simply because you know that his Mum coaches the sports team at the school that your sons go to.

                • karol

                  Oh. There’s plenty of “real” people in cities who don’t talk down to check out operators. Might partly depend on which part of the city.

                  Actually, at some supermarkets out west in Auckland, lines can be held up while customers and checkout operators get caught up in chat.

        • Chooky 13.1.2.3

          @ Rhinocrates …very interesting….I am not trained in this area but I am fascinated by it….anyone who has connections with young people in their teens and twenties knows how much these young barbarians are influenced by branding and media perception …It is their world!….and increasingly ours( although some wont admit it and prefer the rarified air of intellectual abstraction)…..Political Parties can not afford to ignore it! ( Actually branding and media perception was always there but now it is in hyper reality focus)

          I actually think the Labour Party should be Directed by an Expert ( sympathetic to the Labour movement of course…such as yourself) as regards their best leader…..otherwise it is dinosaurs blundering around in the dark stomping on each others toes, biting each others tails and trying to devour their best contender.

    • BM 13.2

      The only way the greens will poll higher is if they become more central and work with National as well as labour, until that happens they’ll forever be viewed as labours more looneyer relation.

      Never happen unfortunately so they’ll always poll around 10%.

      • Paul 13.2.1

        They were 15%.
        They’re being dragged down by Labour’s incompetence.

        • BM 13.2.1.1

          Greens equal more extreme labour so the drop in the polls is hardly surprising.

          • Paul 13.2.1.1.1

            The very opposite is the case.
            If Labour adopted genuine left wing policies that represented their vote, they would gain many more votes.

            • Colonial Viper 13.2.1.1.1.1

              +1

            • Jackal 13.2.1.1.1.2

              Labour has just arguably adopted two very significant Green party policies, so lets see if that theory is correct and is reflected in future polling…I certainly hope that’s the case.

              • Colonial Viper

                Labour being derivative of the Greens may indeed provide a boost.

              • Paul

                Yes but people don’t see their heart in any policies…after the lukewarm efforts over asset sales then the power policy.
                There isn’t any conviction, no taking it to the Tories.
                Just a passive, ineffective, apologetic excuse for an opposition.
                A Vision….a passion…a plan…
                Can be done.

              • Mary

                And the spy stuff has been exceptionally bad for Key over the past two days – maybe even enough to cause him a modicum of damage.

              • Struth

                Problem is Labour fuck them up.

                • IrishBill

                  Here’s the latest Labour release on the GCSB: http://www.labour.org.nz/news/pm-clueless-about-gcsb%E2%80%99s-snooping-for-henry-inquiry

                  In just a handful of paragraphs it manages to move from the claim Key is clueless to the claim he’s not only not clueless but is engaged in a Machiavellian plot to hide the truth. It’s not just not in line with any broader messaging (because there isn’t any), it doesn’t even have internal logical consistency. It’s the kind of thing I would use to illustrate what not to do when teaching basic media writing. And it’s gone out in David Shearer’s name on the most important political issue of the day.

                  It’s that kind of incompetence day after day after day that has got us to this point and I can’t see it getting any better. It’s not a matter of policy (left or right) that has determined Labour’s decline – it is simply the fact that nobody in there has any idea what they are doing.

                  • weka

                    +100000000

                    It’s unbelievable really. I’ve been wondering how this affects Labour party members and how they cope.. Cognitive dissonance? Learned helplessness? Stockholm Syndrome?

                    • IrishBill

                      I’ve been involved in Labour for a long time – you’ve got to take the long view.

                    • KJT

                      Entirely agree with you Xtasy.

                      The welfare “reforms” are just the start of an evil attack on the sick, old and unemployed.

                      Unfortunately, Labour, instead of countering the constant memes from the right wing, who are happy for people to live on the streets in cardboard boxes, like Calcutta, and in a rubbish tip, like Manila, just so they can pay a few dollars a week less taxes, or pay “consultants”, and managers, thousands, are joining in with neo-liberal attacks on welfare, such as raising the retirement age.

                      At least two of the teenagers, and now young adults, I have helped, mostly by letting them “crash” in our basement and sometimes feeding them, are mentally ill, for real, after years of being shuttled between uncaring WINZ people, bullshit courses supposed to help them into work and unscrupulous employers. (Who get subsidies for giving them jobs, then find an excuse to sack, or cause them to resign, usually by reducing hours to less than they need to live, when the subsidy runs out, so they can get another subsidised worker).

                      Don’t even get me started on the “industry” of “helping” the unemployed.

                      You can imagine what all that does to the self esteem and the mental state of a young person just starting out. Now it will be much worse.

                      Labour needs to get a spine, cut out the dead wood, and take away ownership of the dialogue from RWNJ’s.

                  • Colonial Viper

                    Yep. It’s trying to play “gotcha” instead of expressing the practical application of consistent values and principles.

                  • Chooky

                    +1 Irish Bill….why don’t they take specialist advice on their media and message presentation?….this could be where the Nacts beat the Left hands down, certainly the Labour Party

                    • Colonial Viper

                      They have people like Mold and Fa’Foi and Robins and Curran, etc for that.

          • McGrath 13.2.1.1.2

            I agree with BM. New Zealanders like to think of themselves as pro-enviroment but not to the level of zeal that the Green Party represents. It’s this zealotry that turns off the average-voter.

            • Rhinocrates 13.2.1.1.2.1

              Probably a good point – we all want to declare our virtues, but actually practising them? Well, we’d like to, but…

              • McGrath

                I’d like to save the whales, but I draw the line at sailing a boat and ramming it into Japanese whaling vessels… The Greens represent the more extreme fringe of environmentalism. They’d do better if they were less “religious” (for lack of a better term).

                • weka

                  except we all do things routinely now that ‘radical’ environmentalists got labelled fringe for talking about ten, twenty, thirty years ago. What you are denigrating as fringe, is the cutting edge that will become the norm.

                  btw, you don’t have to protest whaling at sea. That’s what Greenpeace are for, you can just dontate to them instead. See how easy it is to support the right thing when you can’t do it yourself?

                  • gobsmacked

                    except we all do things routinely now that ‘radical’ environmentalists got labelled fringe for talking about ten, twenty, thirty years ago. What you are denigrating as fringe, is the cutting edge that will become the norm.

                    This is so true. Those crazy greenies want to … get lead out of petrol, recycle our bottles, build public transport, clean up our beaches, tell customers what’s in our food, cut the smog, and so on.

                    And every “mainstream” conservative agrees with them – now. But not then.

                    If we took a time machine to the 1970′s we would all be “Greenies”.

            • weka 13.2.1.1.2.2

              One of the major roles of the GP is to shift the forefront of environmental concern to the middle. They’re pretty successful at this, along with the NGO, activist and green business sectors. It’s about the long haul.

    • QoT 13.3

      I say again unto thee: fuck yes to all that.

  14. Most people are centered, labour has gone down, because they’re moving too far too the left.

    • karol 14.1

      I love a bit of humour in the evening.

      Thanks.

    • Paul 14.2

      Of course Shearer has really dragged the Labour Party to the left.
      Spin on…

      • Jimmie 14.2.1

        Perhaps more of a case that Shearer comes across as someone who is centrist or leaning to the right but who is coming out with policy that is veering to the left. (NZ Power, House buying bans etc.)

        This is a natural dichotomy that doesn’t resonate well with the electorate.

        Say what you like about Key but what is apparent that since he has led the National Party he has pushed moderate policy (Compared to Brash) and actually comes across as believing in what he is pushing.

        Through the turmoil of the Christchurch earthquake and its aftermath the electorate pretty much trusts Key – warts and all.

        To beat him in 2014 Labour needs a leader (and a team – but that may be too much to ask) who believes what he/she pushes. (Genuine) I dunno who that could be – Cunliffe perhaps?

        22% is getting closer

        • Paul 14.2.1.1

          Those are big warts….

        • framu 14.2.1.2

          “and actually comes across as believing in what he is pushing.”

          really?! – to me he seems the most insincere person ive ever seen. The only time i think hes being honest is when he gets that “im going to fu*kin kill you” look

          And trust?! – even my life long national voting boss thinks hes full of crap and has got to go.

          but yeah – how that jibes with the polls i dont know. It is a constant head scratcher for me.

          - but i do like the suffix “compared to brash”, so many uses

    • Mary 14.3

      Can I send this in to The Listener for Life in NZ? It’s a real beauty.

  15. karol 15

    A lot of focus on what 824 Kiwis said, when questioned by landline or mobile phone.

    • Paul 15.1

      “The poll questioned 824 eligible voters on either land line or mobile phone from July 15 to 28″
      What events were happening in this time to influence the 824?

      • Paul 15.1.1

        “Even if you are a minority of one, the truth is the truth.”
        Mahatma Gandhi

        • Rhinocrates 15.1.1.1

          Great, let’s see that win an election.

          • Paul 15.1.1.1.1

            My point (badly made, I concede) was that the last thing the Labour Party should be doing is moving to the right after polls like this. They should be sticking to their principles.
            The RWNJs want the Labour Party to panic to the right.

            • Rhinocrates 15.1.1.1.1.1

              I agree absolutely.

            • Rhinocrates 15.1.1.1.1.2

              I’m sorry if that was offensive, then.

              • Paul

                Not at all.
                I am trying to stress the need to hold to one’s beliefs and convictions.
                Last time the right wing terrified the Labour leadership into backing up on changes after power announcement.

  16. Richard 16

    Dude…where’s my country?

  17. bad12 17

    Lolz i wish you people would stop it, the almost palpable wringing of hands and gnashing of teeth i could swear i almost feel through reading your comments has me in fits of the giggles,

    It’s bad for my health all this humor, check Roy’s graph between 2008 and the election at 2011, NOTE the amount of time Roy touts, nay PIMPS, National as being able to govern alone and then ask yourself what grand disaster befell National a mere couple of months befor the 2011 election that caused them to nearly not be the Government at all,

    Rumor has it that the old dame behind the Reid-poll cracks up in grand merriment every-time TV3 broadcast the results of Her polling efforts, i am starting to think that over in Oz Roy is also roaring fit to bust,

    Roy’s latest certainly gives me the giggles…

  18. As karol has just pointed out:

    This latest New Zealand Roy Morgan Poll on voting intention was conducted by telephone – both landline and mobile telephone, with a NZ wide cross-section of 824 electors from July 15-28, 2013. Of all electors surveyed 4% (unchanged) didn’t name a party.

    I think that’s a smaller sample than usual. Also, the margin of error will be larger than that estimated in the table for 40-60% range – i.e., +/-3.2.

    Having said that, it is the fourth consecutive Roy Morgan poll showing increases for National.

  19. McFlock 19

    So what the hell’s happened over the last two months to reverse a solid trend? I mean, that’s four consecutive drops in the RM, which hasn’t happened since goff.

    I think at least some of it is garnishers and jonolists editing the truth, but it’s not like labour’s made a sudden change in its performance in that time period. Any ideas?

    • Colonial Viper 19.1

      Dunno, mate, things were going so well too; I’m as absolutely shocked and surprised as you are.

      • Paul 19.1.1

        It doesn’t seem to make any sense.
        GCSB, Sky City. Pike River, Christchurch schools…..

        • Colonial Viper 19.1.1.1

          I think the non-vote is swelling massively, as opposed to people going to National. Remember, one serious downfall of the RM is that they do not publish the % of “don’t knows/don’t care”. That’s where the Labour vote is going, as per 2011.

          The Greens – theirs is reasonably likely to be an error of margin blip.

      • Craig Glen Eden 19.1.2

        funny CV

    • karol 19.2

      Too many polls. Clouds the issues.

    • Rhinocrates 19.3

      but it’s not like labour’s made a sudden change in its performance

      Correct. They have remained consistently, reliably, steadily self-absorbed, uninspiring, divided, lazy and incompetent.

      Remember: the customer is always right.

      • McFlock 19.3.1

        whoops, there I go stalking again…

        • Rhinocrates 19.3.1.1

          Right, no answer, I see. You think it’s all about you and me – no, it’s about the left winning. Try to remember that.

          • McFlock 19.3.1.1.1

            such words of reasonableness from someone just back from a ban for bringing woodchippers into the conversation.

            Right, this is not going to end up being a derail argument. Fuck off. I will do what you are completely incapable of, you moron. So, go fuck yourself. bye bye.

            • Rhinocrates 19.3.1.1.1.1

              As I said… so thank’s for making my point, but really, it’s a very small point indeed and you needn’t have gone to the effort.

    • Vagabundo 19.4

      The attempt at manufacturing a coup by Duncan Garner, as well as the “man ban” debacle comes to mind. There might be something else, but that’s really all that I can recall at the moment. Nevertheless, it was a pretty rancid two weeks for the opposition. Well, more so than usual at least. This latest poll wouldn’t account for the latest GCSB blow-up (the polling period ended this past Sunday) but there you go.

      • Yes 19.4.1

        [deleted]

        [lprent: Already banned and now subject to an extra 8 weeks ]

        • Colonial Viper 19.4.1.1

          Who cares who got what phone records etc. I think the press have got this wrong about privilege

          But Sir Geoffrey Palmer is spot on. Multiple abuses of Parliamentary privilege have likely occured, centred around instructions from John Key’s office.

        • McFlock 19.4.1.2

          maybe in housing.
          It’s literally “closer to home” than GCSB illegally tapping KDC.

        • UglyTruth 19.4.1.3

          The GCSB saga is a symptom of a much larger underlying story which goes back to the end of WW2, which marked the beginnings of the NSA, the UKUSA agreement, and comprehensive restructuring of the western security apparatus.

          Soviet empire building was never enough of a threat to the west to justify this level of effort. The nature of the threat to the west wasn’t a military one, but rather a cultural problem which threatened to challenge the dominant role of the state. From this time the US state conducted several studies to investigate the issue, and then rejected their findings.

          Probably the key event for understanding this behaviour was Operation Highjump, which was the largest military operation to place following the surrender of the Nazi armies. Admiral Byrd’s history of exploration of both the North & South poles made him the ideal candidate to lead the operation.

          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GU85o4Laizw

        • framu 19.4.1.4

          your forgetting that dispite the mistrust of journos by the public – polliticians still come in lower down the list

          and your 100% wrong on the gcsb issue

      • Arfamo 19.4.2

        It probably hasn’t picked up the foreign non-resident housing policy either – announced on 28 July and that’s the last day of the phone poll’s 15-28 July polling period. And the msm coverage of that focussed on National’s framing with racism accusations. It’s only now that serious journos are starting to recognise its appeal.

        • Colonial Viper 19.4.2.1

          The Wellington earthquakes have made people decide that they need a political party with steady, trustworthy hands and which is ready to govern.

          • Vagabundo 19.4.2.1.1

            Unfortunately, all they have is the Nats.

            • Colonial Viper 19.4.2.1.1.1

              Yes, that is indeed what I am saying.

              • KJT

                That the top of the Labour party is so bad they make even the bumbling incompetent buffoons and evil puppets in National look good, by comparison. Yes.

                Which is why we need direct democracy.

                The thought of giving any of them, present political leaders, the absolute power we do, makes me cringe

                • Colonial Viper

                  Direct democracy and especially local democracy. Wellington must begin to devolve some of its powers back to local government and local communities.

    • Puddleglum 19.5

      but it’s not like labour’s made a sudden change in its performance in that time period

      It takes two to tango.

      You’re right that the long-run graph shows a decline in public support for National, but a couple of months ago the ‘drift down’ abruptly reversed.

      It may be that the public were waiting for Labour to ‘step up’ after getting disillusioned with National, and were actually giving them quite a long time to do so. But, as you point out, nothing changed in Labour’s performance so perhaps the public just swung back in behind National, slightly disappointed that they had to do that.

      In politics as in many things, there are windows of opportunity so far as ‘bedding in’ changes in public sentiment is concerned.

      Labour seems to have forgotten how to ‘dance’ with the public.

      • McFlock 19.5.1

        It may be that the public were waiting for Labour to ‘step up’ after getting disillusioned with National, and were actually giving them quite a long time to do so. But, as you point out, nothing changed in Labour’s performance so perhaps the public just swung back in behind National, slightly disappointed that they had to do that.

        maybe, but not likely. Otherwise that would have given a static line, rather than gradua increases, preceding the drop.

        • Puddleglum 19.5.1.1

          We’re getting a long way ahead of the data in speculating in this way, but what I meant was that the ‘(very)slow bleed’ of people to Labour was a kind of hopeful move (to indicate that, ‘yes’ we will go your way if you ‘step up’ and this is a promissory note of what could follow).

          That hope wasn’t fulfilled so not only did no more cross the line but those who came across signalling their friendly intentions were not ‘embraced’ and so they could easily cut their weak ties and drift back again.

          Or something like that.

          • McFlock 19.5.1.1.1

            it’s cool, we’re hypothesizing on the reasons for the shape of the curve so far, not necessarily predicting precise future results at this stage :)

            Okay, so it’s a bit like magnetic fields being bent one way against opposing forces until they finally collapse back like a whip (oh shit – nested metaphors. sorry :) )? Possible, but it seems a bit neat for my taste. It doesn’t have much in the way of external factors – that pressure against labour got released, but into what? Astronomical magnetic fields ‘snapping’ create aurorae or solar flares. To say “apathy” is suddenly and forcefuly created from a similar idea in politics seems counter-intuitive – I’d expect it to galvanise around something or someone, but it hasn’t. E.g. Brash and Orewa, or Winston and damned near anything he does (politically productive or “NO” disastrous, he has an effect). But it hasn’t gone anywhere – everyone on the left is down, and if you mean “gone back again” to National, then that validates the approach that some accuse labour of: moving right to steal national votes. The irony is that in that case, it suggests that labour haven’t actually been following that plan at all, otherwise they wouldn’t be where they are now.

      • Saarbo 19.5.2

        Yes, agree

    • Jenny 19.6

      ….it’s not like labour’s made a sudden change in its performance in that time period. Any ideas?

      McFlock

      The answer is in the question.

      • McFlock 19.6.1

        No, it is not. There is an effect with no cause.

        edit: and Jenny, don’t forget your own humble contribution to jonolism, of course.

        • Rhinocrates 19.6.1.1

          Have you considered becoming a theologian?

        • Jenny 19.6.1.2

          No ideas, is the cause.

          • McFlock 19.6.1.2.1

            two months ago labour suddenly stopped having ideas?

            • Jenny 19.6.1.2.1.1

              Apart from the question mark it is hard to know whether this is a statement or a question.

              Two months ago the Spy scandal started to erupt. What is Labour’s response? Let’s have a review. Everyone knows that a review is, code for, do nothing, consequently the public switch off.

              It probably doesn’t help that Dunne and Key have already agreed to hold a review.

  20. Paul 20

    Labour Party in the UK are also “consistently, reliably, steadily uninspiring, divided, lazy and incompetent.” yet lead the Tories by 12%

    • Rhinocrates 20.1

      So what do they poll in Ulan Bator, Luxembourg, Shangri-La, Barsoom, Middle Earth, or Perelandra? More importantly, how about New Zealand?

      Perhaps instead you mean that Mumblefuck and his cronies are even more egregiously unsuited than Milliband and co versus Cameron?

    • Tamati 20.2

      Not so much anymore.

      Lead is around 4%,

      http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/

      • Colonial Viper 20.2.1

        Yeah, UKIP has gone backwards and the Tories have been the sole beneficiaries.

        • Tamati 20.2.1.1

          With their crazy FPP system Labour could plausibly win a majority with less than one third of the vote.

  21. Rosetinted 21

    So there was a NZ wide selection – what ages have been selected out?

    • Rhinocrates 21.1

      Grasping at straws there, I think… sorry…

      If an estimation of success depends on a quibble about methodology, then things are desperate, and there’s a strong whiff of denial in the air.

      Unfortunately, it smells just like rot.

  22. Craig Glen Eden 22

    Shearers a joke pure and simple and voters wont warm to him. You would think the Labour caucus would be starting to see the writing on the wall but probably not, after all the majority of it voted for Shearer to be the leader. Labours slowly sinking with its incompetent Leader and caucus really sad but there you go.

    • Paul 22.1

      I think a telling moment with Shearer was all that stuff about his bank accounts in New York.
      Labour needs leaders who are more like the supporters they represent.

      • Colonial Viper 22.1.1

        How many experienced tradespersons, miners or machinists in the Labour caucus today?

        • KJT 22.1.1.1

          Unfortunately, none.

          We may get some fire and passion instead of time serving apparatchiks.

          And some competence on both sides.

    • Sanctuary 22.2

      “…You would think the Labour caucus would be starting to see the writing on the wall…”

      Writing on what wall? To remind you, the self-serving cause of the current disaster:

      NEW ZEALAND LABOUR PARTY List 2011
      1.Phil Goff
      2.Annette King
      3.David Cunliffe
      4.David Parker
      5.Ruth Dyson
      6.Parekura Horomia
      7.Maryan Street
      8.Clayton Cosgrove
      9.Trevor Mallard
      10.Sue Moroney
      11.Charles Chauvel
      12.Nanaia Mahuta
      13.Jacinda Ardern
      14.Grant Robertson
      15.Andrew Little
      16.Shane Jones

      They could drift down to Green levels of support and Goff, King and Mallard would still have jobs for life.

      • Rhinocrates 22.2.1

        Well, that list is a bit out of date, but your point is very clear.

        “Crisis? What crisis? Have you tried the Châteauneuf-du-Pape at Bellamy’s?”

        • Sanctuary 22.2.1.1

          The list is out of date, but the failure to renew the paerliamentary party in favour of incumbency protection of chronically underperforming senior MP’s is the direct cause of Labour’s poor poll performance. The perverse lackadasical culture of the disfynctional caucus means the good attract the enmity of the mediocre in the parliamentary Labour party.

          Labour needs a purge of it’s parlimentary old guard, starting at the next conference with rules – anyone putting up a terms limit remit? – clearly sending a message to the deadwood. If it means the old guard walk away and form the Labour-Blues with Dunne, so be it.

          • Colonial Viper 22.2.1.1.1

            Bringing onboard ‘new faces’ on the List but chosen specifically for their known loyalties to the old guard and ability to reinforce the status quo, is also common Labour practice. Former staffers, activists etc. A total Wellington Bubbleness which cannot be penetrated.

            • Olwyn 22.2.1.1.1.1

              Something that has crossed my mind recently: a negative side of MMP is that it actually reinforces political careerism, since one only has to gain the confidence of one’s colleagues and not necessarily the public. I am certainly not touting for FPP, just noting. In its early stages it seemed as if it would bring a new kind of person into the political arena, but it seems instead to tend toward a technocratic political culture.

              • Tamati

                Is there any motivation among the party members to reform how the list is made? Would be a great start in democratizing the party.

              • Colonial Viper

                The establishment looks after itself. This is the most dependable characteristic of any bureaucracy.

          • Saarbo 22.2.1.1.2

            +1

      • DavidC 22.2.2

        There are at least 10 on that list that should not have made it past July ’09. Goff should have done the job of putting them (and himself) out to pasture.

  23. Jackal 23

    Personally I think that people should be questioning whether the entire polling system is corrupt, just like the current government.

    • Colonial Viper 23.1

      Yes, agree, it’s the polls that are wrong. Don’t let them deflect Labour from what we know is the true and correct course.

  24. felix 24

    Sorry this is in the wrong place, but it bears repeating anyway:

    Really, Mallard as Speaker? Mumblefuck as PM, fossilised Rogernomes like Goff and King as senior ministers, victims of terminal testosterone poisoning like Jones, and God help us, Tamihere, yuppies like that snot Hipkins in the inner circle… and the best talent on the back benches precisely because they have ideas, ability, vision?

    It may be reassuring to talk about “sleepy hobbits”, but I feel that New Zealanders do at least know incompetence when they see it.

    Indeed, Rhino. It’s not rocket surgery.

    • pollywog 24.1

      I have great faith that Kris Fa’afoi will invent a time machine, travel back to advise Goff to anoint Cunliffe as next leader before stopping off for a bucket of KFC, cos that shit tasted wayy better back in the day!

      • Tamati 24.1.1

        At least that way he might get to see the opening of New Zealand’s first McDonalds.

  25. Saarbo 25

    What a terrible trend in these polls…I reckon that the National Party are selling themselves well and currently have a lot of friends in the media doing their selling work also. With House prices rising many Kiwi’s are feeling reasonably wealthy again, interest rates are low and National constantly harp on about how well they are managing the economy post GFC. Meanwhile workers rights are being eroded like never before, New Zealand inequality is growing very visibly and the increasing house prices are making the poor even poorer, unaffordable housing is the heart of our poverty issue. I guess in this environment, supporters of National become stauncher in supporting their Party and supporters of the Left become stronger in supporting their Parties.

    Phil Twyford listed the policies that Labour is trying to highlight below in a recent comment and in my humble opinion they look QUITE GOOD. But these Policies are not being SOLD, because Shearer is incapable of selling them, I will be honest, he’s fucken hopeless…he would be middle management material at best. IMHO only David Cunliffe is capable of selling a good Left narrative that could persuade the 5% to 10% (110k voters to 220k voters) of National voters to swing to Labour. But this is where the crux of the problem lies, the incredibly powerful and self destructive ABC brigade will never let that happen, and voters know this. So the soft middle voters will stay with National because Labour is dysfunctional and just doesn’t seem like a party that should be running the country. So as a Lefty and ex Labour Party member I am left wanting to support Labour, but then also understand why some people aren’t.

    http://thestandard.org.nz/labours-new-housing-policy-shearer-on-qa/#comment-669958
    Comment from Phil Twyford:
    “…but I would have thought that using the Crown balance sheet to build 100,000 affordable homes, and legislating to make it mandatory for landlords to provide warm dry homes was pretty good evidence in a housing policy of a committed move away from hands off free market policies. Put that alongside a jobs and modern manufacturing policy that includes rewriting the Reserve Bank Act, a government procurement policy that puts Kiwi firms first, R&D tax credits, a Capital Gains Tax, and raising the top tax rate for >$150K. Add that to a commitment to do away with the Bradford electricity reforms and introduce a single buyer model, a promise not to sell any state assets, and a commitment to strengthening collective bargaining (rather than weakening it as National is doing). I know it won’t satisfy everyone at The Standard but policy-wise that all adds up in my view to a pretty decisive break with the old orthodoxy.”

    • Olwyn 25.1

      The thing is, to sell policy you have to stand behind it, embody it, and make it your own. Labour, broadly speaking is not doing that. Instead it is intermittently running policy up the flag pole and waiting to see if anyone salutes it. This gives no measure of their commitment, and consequently fails to engage potential voters.

      • Saarbo 25.1.1

        Yep, supported by Shearer leaving the country the day after the Labour/Greens Power policy was announced…dedicated.

      • Colonial Viper 25.1.2

        I see Len Brown is reported to have come out against Labour’s ban on foreign residential housing buyers.

    • srylands 25.2

      The electorate does understand these are Labour policies. That is why the polls are abysmal. The policies are naff or bad. A “modern manufacturing policy”? Rewriting the Reserve Bank Act when it is regarded by the international banking community as an exemplar. Rewrite the Act, NZD drops 5 cents, oops petrol price goes up, middle NZ screams.

      All National needs to do is print out the Phil Package and laminate it for the voters – like a pledge card in reverse and mock it and attack it. How can you not see that?

      • Colonial Viper 25.2.1

        Recent Labour policies have been excellent, if somewhat watered down. Their “selling” into the voter market has been deficient, though. Really, anything that the international banking community frowns upon has got to be considered as at least partly meritorious, for starters.

        Also, “middle NZ” (the top 20% of the country) will just have to accept that paying an extra $5 to fill their SUVs or paying an extra $25 for their iPad is just the costs of living. They can cope. In fact, there are many benefits in the true cost of petrol/diesel being realised in a higher market price.

        The upside is the multibillion dollar boost that a lower dollar will give to our exporters, including our manufacturers and ag/hort sector.

      • KJT 25.2.2

        Srylands must be the paid astroturfer for this month.

        It would be nice if they sent someone to turf this site that had an original thought, though!

        It gets tiresome having to debunk the same rubbish, all the time.

        The constant parade of RWNJ’s, parroting the same old shit, show the truth of the research about the lower intelligence of the right wing and the lack of thought of authoritarian followers.

        http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/millennial-media/201304/do-racism-conservatism-and-low-iq-go-hand-in-hand

        http://issuepedia.org/Authoritarian_follower
        “Authoritarian followers generally prefer to subordinate themselves to a large organization within which they have little or no power.”

        I wish they would just “grow up”.

  26. hush minx 26

    There is no doubt that labor and their performance are a real danger to the Greens. It’s not just labor members who want labor to sort themselves out. Do I care who’s leader? Yes, but first let’s
    acknowledge Shearer has to go. Caucus- vote him out. Worry about who will replaces him second to that. But anyone will be better. Just let the process take its course. Please.

    • Bearded Git 26.1

      Yep Shearer HAS TO GO.

      Cunliffe’s one real sin is that he is left-wing; so what’s wrong with that? Labour can’t lose by changing to a more eloquent and passionate leader.

      Banish prat Hipkins to the very back benches. Moroney, King, Dyson and Cosgrove have to go. Twyford, O’Connor, Little and Clark are good performers.

      Top 11 should be (not ranked at this stage) Cunliffe-Little-Clark-Robertson-Parker-Adhern-Twyford-O’Connor-Fenton-Jones-Goff.

      This has sufficient number of good new and talented faces. Problem is only two women-open to suggestions here. Should Shearer be given a consolation role?

  27. xtasy 27

    I hate this, I hate this, I NEVER wanted to post here again, but here you guys get it!

    It is exactly what I expected, it is what I sense and know, what was due to happen, I warned you ALL, for sure, but some to do not bloody get it!

    Here is the work that Labour and Greens should be focused on, amongst other stuff, and why do amateurs like my mates and I have to work on doing the shit?

    Get a taste, of welfare reform challenge, I hear NADA from shit Labour, even lousy Greens now, to raise the real bloody issues. Here it is, READ IT:

    http://accforum.org/forums/index.php?/topic/15188-medical-and-work-capability-assessments-based-on-the-bps-model-aimed-at-disentiteling-affected-from-welfare-benefits-and-acc-compo/

    Download the bloody PDF, study and read it, and bloody phone, email and hammer your damned MPs, get them bloody hammered on housing, welfare, on economic, education and other policies.

    If that does not work, get a NEW PARTY started, by bloody October or November 2013! They betray us on welfare, social justice, do not deliver on labour laws, do slack here and there, and all focus is trying on catching Don Key out on his spy agenda. As well as that is justified, the policy and Labour and left and social democratic policy agenda MUST come FIRST, none ELSE!

    • blue leopard 27.1

      I’ve been wondering where you were xtasy,
      noting the horrible horrible treatment of welfare recipients
      that you warned about
      and has deeply affected me
      I very much agree with your comment
      very well said

      • xtasy 27.1.1

        We need a SPIRIT and POLICY change in Labour, a message, the constant and desperate attack on Key to expose his lies is perhaps right to some degree, but the left will not win an election merely on discrediting Key, there needs to be a damned PLAN, but few, if any see it. The PLAN must be defining, clear policy, and so far the housing and energy policy are at best mediocre. More is needed, and that is what people out there expect. National is wearing itself out, but winning an election due to the government being too bad will never be the best agenda. Even Helen knew better.

    • KJT 27.2

      Entirely agree with you Xtasy.

      The welfare “reforms” are just the start of an evil attack on the sick, old and unemployed.

      Unfortunately, Labour, instead of countering the constant memes from the right wing, who are happy for people to live on the streets in cardboard boxes, like Calcutta, and in a rubbish tip, like Manila, just so they can pay a few dollars a week less taxes, or pay “consultants”, and managers, thousands, are joining in with neo-liberal attacks on welfare, such as raising the retirement age.

      At least two of the teenagers, and now young adults, I have helped, mostly by letting them “crash” in our basement and sometimes feeding them, are mentally ill, for real, after years of being shuttled between uncaring WINZ people, bullshit courses supposed to help them into work and unscrupulous employers. (Who get subsidies for giving them jobs, then find an excuse to sack, or cause them to resign, usually by reducing hours to less than they need to live, when the subsidy runs out, so they can get another subsidised worker).

      Don’t even get me started on the “industry” of “helping” the unemployed.

      You can imagine what all that does to the self esteem and the mental state of a young person just starting out. Now it will be much worse.

      Labour needs to get a spine, cut out the dead wood, and take away ownership of the dialogue from RWNJ’s.

      • Descendant Of Sssmith 27.2.1

        For a significant number of years there has been three significant failures in the employment of those with disabilities and illness:
        1. The failure of the private sector to employ them
        2. The failure of the government to employ them and in addition to lay off large numbers of those previously employed
        3. The failure of government agencies to provide support and education to employers and support including financial help and actual tangible support to find work

        I remember my wife taking a boy with Downs Syndrome who wanted a job to WINZ for help. The staff members attitude was quite clear in that she did not believe he could work. My wife found him a job anyway and not at the below wage rate so beloved of most agencies helping those with intellectual disabilities.

        You see if the government wanted those with disabilities to work, in a genuine way, they would simply ramp up the effort to help them in a non-threatening and benign way.

        A government that supports it’s citizens wouldn’t castigate them, they wouldn’t label them as bludgers and malingerers, they wouldn’t have bureaucratic gobbeldy gook statements on medical certificates, they wouldn’t create a climate of fear.

        I posted once before that Labour would do well simply by promoting and supporting the governments own Disability Strategy and using that as guidance. That policy was written with and by those who have disabilities and paints a very positive picture of how those with disabilities view work and how they wish to be treated.

        http://www.odi.govt.nz/nzds/

        It begs the question – if you can benignly help those who are unwell and with disability to have meaningful work and meaningful incomes what is the real agenda to do this in such a draconian manner?

  28. xtasy 28

    The “leadership” of Labour is devoid of competence, it is redundant, it is due to replacement, and a thorough challenge now, for sure. The whole front bench needs replacing, and there must be a radical cleansing of the under-performers right now. I even gave Shearer some credit for a speech at the Anti GCSB Protest in Auckland last Saturday, but honestly, recent media and yesterday’s Parliamentary responses, were not looking good. Robertson will have his issues.

    Where is the A-team, where is the B-team, I ask, it does not seem to exist. A betrayal to all of us, on benefits, poor, sick, neglected, betrayed, let down, exposed to abuse by a harsh, ruthless and mean-spirited, in part illegally acting government, that is what this represents to me and a fair few others.

    Shearer, stand the fucking damned sake down, NOW, thank you!

    • Mary 28.1

      Do you think that the housing policy announcement and the latest blunders by Key over the spying issue might mean the next poll will be different? My guess is that they won’t make a jot of difference and that in fact support for Keys will probably increase. That will show how redundant the current Labour party’s become.

      • xtasy 28.1.1

        The issue is the MEDIA, they are in the hands of Key loyalists, and the are mostly that, I have followed Radio Live, ZB, and so forth, it is shocking. We need to push the social media, and engage people face to face that we know, there is no other solution, as the MSM is despite all scandals sticking with “security” (economic BS and bias reliance) and Key and National, that is the damned challenge.

        No matter how much is debated in qeustion time, and I said it before, it will move little, unless a real big scandal is exposed. But Labour and Greens spend all their energy on that, and lose the fight on POLICY and making a REAL DIFFERENCE on those much more important matters that the ordinary folk are concerned about. A change of attack agenda is overdue, but their advisors, changing Shearer’s one from bad to worse, is hopeless!

        • Mary 28.1.1.1

          Yes, the hopelessness around Labour caused me long ago to retreat into mere reliance on hope that Keys would misjudge the level of contempt he could get away with. If that’s the general sentiment then it isn’t a good sign.

          • Colonial Viper 28.1.1.1.1

            I think this one poll is a low read based on the bad handling of the Man Ban nonsense, also Nick Smith’s decline of the tunnel in Southland was popular with many conservation minded types, further people trust National to sort out issues from the Wellington earthquake.

            Based on people liking the NOFORN housing policy the next Roy Morgan should be back up in the ~31% range.

            • weka 28.1.1.1.1.1

              the first two reasons make sense, not sure about the quake one though. Haven’t they been paying attention to Chch?

            • Mary 28.1.1.1.1.2

              And surely the very recent Dunne/Henry/Vance email stuff must hurt National? Then again, it’ll probably make Key more popular, especially when we’ve now got al-Qaeda training in Helensville.

              • weka

                Very recent stuff won’t be in this poll, there’s always a time lag.

                • Mary

                  That was my point.

                  • Colonial Viper

                    Labour bounce to 31% or 31.5% is about as much as we can hope for I think. Yes the GCSB/Vance stuff is going to hurt Key but at the moment he will be feeling “relaxed.”

                    • gobsmacked

                      TVNZ have been polling this week, results out on Sunday.

                      National 45%
                      Labour 35%
                      Greens 10%

                      That would save Shearer … for another week anyway.

                    • Mary

                      Am looking forward to hearing him say he’s relaxed about having to resign.

  29. xtasy 31

    Anyway, we need no “holy” repetition, we know the challenges ahead, for the left it means: UNITE, no matter what differences, but get the leadership challenged and improved, or all will be LOST! Learn from other countries and their mistakes, that is the left of centre there. So much to gain, and too bloody much to lose!!!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZsdYs2qE7hA

    • Mary 31.1

      “…but get the leadership challenged and improved…”

      That’s the problem right there. How to do that nobody seems to know. That’s why it remains a problem.

      • xtasy 31.1.1

        Lobby, lobby, lobby, speak, speak, speak, repeat, repeat, repeat, send the message, and include, involve, talk, that is the only way, or they will stick to “chairs” like in old style Eastern Block systems. A challenge must be presented, can be expressed verbally, must be shared and spread, that is all I can say. Thanks Mary

    • Chooky 31.2

      @ xtasy ….! good to see you back!

  30. keith Ross 32

    FFS the public just want someone who can speak well and articulate to the average person what they would do differently. Shearer is a total dud, I can’t listen to him ,it is painful. The public would love Cunlife, he is very articulate and motivating, that’s what the public like, not some bumbling idiot who again is a pain to listen to. I do not like key but he can speak and is quick on his feet. He will slaughter that simpleton come the election season. the real reason that Cunlife is not leader is that he would get rid of the old guard who are not performing unless you call riding the gravy train performing.

    • Terry 32.1

      I couldn’t agree more. If Cunliffe were leading the party I’d be feeling a damned sight better about things right now but Shearer is as you said, painful to listen to. Labour need to grow a spine and drop Shearer now because the longer they leave it the worse the damage will be.

  31. Core_Labour_Voter (Tory troll) 33

    Labour is the only party with progressive polices. People will take their time to understand. Do not panic and ignore the polls. Shearer will start to improve the position of Labour early next year. National is peaking way too early and start to drop off. No reason for panic. Labour is still polling higher than election night.

    • One Anonymous Knucklehead 33.1

      Santi got a new IP address?

      • Arfamo 33.1.1

        Possibly twins. Newbie Golden Teapot tonight also looks like Santi.

        • weka 33.1.1.1

          Not too bright though. You’d think they could try and change the phrasing and tone of their astroturfing. Probably not getting paid enough.

  32. amirite 34

    NZers are just a bunch of dense motherfuckers.

  33. bad12 35

    Lolz, i am going to be naughty here and repeat myself, here is a FACT about the Roy Morgan poll,

    Question, How many months between the 2008 election and 2011 election did Roy Morgan poll the National Party share of the vote to within 4% of what National got in actual votes at the 2011 election,

    Answer, i have not gone into such detail of actually counting, BUT, a quick look at Roy Morgans graph of support for National and it tells me the answer is about 4,

    So, Roy Morgan in the 36 months between the 2008 and 2011 elections got the National Party % of the vote within 4% of being correct on 4 occasions and on 32 occasions between those elections polled the National Party support at between 4 and 10% higher than the 2011 election result,

    The only time the Roy Morgan poll shows Roy getting the % of the National Party support correct is in fact at the time of the 2011 election where Roy got to put His ruler on the page and rule a pretty blue line from the point of His last poll prior to that election to that actual election result, which resulted in Roy’s poll showing a drop of support in the few weeks leading up to the 2011 election of 6%,

    I am a little incredulous when it comes to Roy Morgan polls, not so much incredulous concerning the fact that Roy only ever gets it right within the margin of error on election night when He gets to rule that pretty blue line from His last poll to connect that last poll with the actual result,

    I am more incredulous about the veracity many seemingly highly intelligent people award to a Poll which never gets it right and continuously gets it wrong to the point of always, judging by the following election, gets it wrong by between 4 and 10%,

    Roy tho is consistent, in the period between the elections 2008-2011 Roy never once got it wrong by polling National support lower than the next election result, Roy always talks the National Party UP by between 4 and 10% of the vote that National never get,

    What i have said there takes no account of the realities of day to day political life where Party’s will go up and down int he polls,

    Having said all that, Roy says we are doomed, doomed you hear, PANIC….

    • karol 35.1

      The poll includes the responses for 824 potential voter. Is the sample unusually small because there were a lot of “dunno” responses that were not included?

      Nevertheless, the long term trend over all polls is not great news for Labour or the left.

      • bad12 35.1.1

        Only IF you assume Roy is correct Karol, Roy at times during the period between the 2008 election and the 2011 election polled National up near 10% of support it never went on to gain in November 2011,

        Roy during that 3 year period only ever 3 or 4 times got National’s share of the vote ‘right’ within 4% in terms of the actual vote in 2011, and Roy always erred on Nationals behalf with such polling by being wrong by that 4% or more on the plus side of 50%,

        It is tho a good poll which says remove the incumbent Dave and replace him with the other Dave, lets…

        • DavidC 35.1.1.1

          bad12.

          You can say its wrong all you like but this poll is just a touch worse than the TV3 poll last month. The trend for Labour is clear over last 4-5 months and the Greens ever since election. Downward.

          I look at the Curiablog http://curiablog.wordpress.com/ time/size weighted results for a better more even feel of where things are.

          • bad12 35.1.1.1.1

            LOLZ, but Roy between election 2008 and election 2011 did get it wrong 32 months out of 36,

            And of the 4 months i ascribe to Roy getting it right, all of them were only right by being 4% on the high side of the National %,

            Hell who am i to argue, Roy says we are doomed doomed you hear, it’s obviously time to Panic, demand the head of the Labour party leader,(in spite of most here not being members of that Party), and at the very least lose any positive inclinations you may have of a left leaning coalition government in 2014…

            • DavidC 35.1.1.1.1.1

              bad12.

              I realllly hope everyone at LP HQ listens to you and keeps on steering the ship toward the big white icy lump in the middle of the sea. Afterall what could possibly go wrong?

              Keep up the good work.

              • bad12

                Thanks for that David C, equally i really hope that everyone at National HQ fully grasp hold of the ‘Governing alone delusion’ Roy always during the election cycle throws out to them like a trainer throwing the dogs a bone…

              • felix

                and keeps on steering the ship toward the big white icy lump in the middle of the sea.

                I’m sure with another six months of unwavering dedication to the charted course, Captain Mumblefuck will have the ship righted and heading for the surface.

                (in time to meet the tsunami)

      • DavidC 35.1.2

        karol.

        Only 4% did not name a party.

        • Colonial Viper 35.1.2.1

          Interested now. Was that in the RM press release?

        • felix 35.1.2.2

          That’s 4% of the 824 who responded at all, which as karol notes is an unusually low response so you have to assume an unusually high rate of “can’t be arsed”s and “have no opinion”s.

          Still, it’s not that far off the trend.

    • Lanthanide 35.2

      “So, Roy Morgan in the 36 months between the 2008 and 2011 elections got the National Party % of the vote within 4% of being correct on 4 occasions and on 32 occasions between those elections polled the National Party support at between 4 and 10% higher than the 2011 election result,”

      Um, polls don’t work that way.

      They ask “how would you vote today”, not “how are you going to vote in November 2011″. They are trying to reflect the reality of the votes on the ground.

      As such, it’s really only worth comparing the polls prior to about 3 months of the election to the election result as some measure of accuracy. Before that period, the best you can really do is compare to other polls and see if they broadly agree or not; unfortunately NZ doesn’t really have enough polling data to get a good gauge on this.

      • bad12 35.2.1

        LOLZ, go on then L, have a wee squizz at the Morgan graph from 2 months out from the 2011 General election,

        What huge misfortune did National bring upon itself, excluding the whim of Roy, that caused it’s % of the vote to fall so dramatically,

        In 2 big steps down, something like 9% from a month or two out until polling day where Roy’s ruler and pretty blue pen had to shave 5-6% off on the actual day

        • bad12 35.2.1.1

          The Reid poll as John Armstrong of all people said in a recent column is tainted in that the pollsters ask respondents a series of ‘leading’ questions befor they then ask about voting intentions,

          The ‘leading’ questions are not collated and used to provide a fact, the ‘leading’ questions are so designed and asked so as to attempt to elicit a ‘required’ answer,

          i didn’t hear or see the old dear that ‘owns’ the Reid poll threatening to sue the old codger Armstrong for writing that in His Herald column so i will take it as read that that is in fact how the Reid-poll conducts it’s ‘research’,

          SO, we can collate all these polls and compare them all we like, But, if the information we use to discover the trend is in fact incorrect then the only result we can gather from having done so is going to be an incorrect trend,

          Roy Morgan in most polls cannot get it right even within the margin of error, and in any given poll Roy Morgan ascribes to National 4-9% of support that that party just does not have,

          i read Roy’s latest effort as subtract that 4-9% of support for National and within that subtraction is the true % of National support…

          • Colonial Viper 35.2.1.1.1

            ban the publishing of polls in the 72 hours before E-Day, to get the focus back on the issues and the campaign.

        • Lanthanide 35.2.1.2

          I’m not defending any polls or anything, I’m just saying comparing 3 years of polling to a single election afterwards is an incorrect and irrelevant thing to do.

          • Lanthanide 35.2.1.2.1

            For a very simple/extreme example of why this is a stupid thing to do, we can look to the CHCH earthquakes.

            Prior to September 4, Jim Anderton was leading the mayoralty race for CHCH and was highly likely to win, according to the polling done. After the earthquake, Bob won by a comfortable margin.

            If we simply applied your approach of “judge all of the polls compared to the election result”, you would say that the polls that said Jim was going to win were woefully inaccurate. But obviously that is because the earthquake happened and people’s opinions (inexplicably, IMO) changed.

            Hence it is stupid to lambaste the pre-Earthquake polls as being inaccurate compared to the election result. Just as it is equally stupid to lambaste a poll taken in Februrary 2010 as being woefully inaccurate compared to a general election held in November 2011 (after a Rugby World Cup as well, mind).

            • bad12 35.2.1.2.1.1

              L, naughty naughty, attempting to debate from a position of ascribing to me words or phrases i have never written nor intended from what i have written looks from here to be the foundations of a rather weak argument,

              Your first point, ”As such, it’s really only worth comparing the polls prior to about 3 months of the election to the election result as some measure of accuracy” unquote,

              That is well and truly answered in my reply above, a fact you seem to be unable to concede instead resorting to that time honored dishonest debating tool of ascribing to me words i have not used nor intended and then expecting me to defend the straw-man you insert into the debate,

              Where you are so wrong is to introduce Jim Anderton and Earthquakes, Jim Anderton was a shoe-in to win the Christchurch mayoralty until the earthquakes, polls reflected that, the earthquake happened and the polls changed to reflect that, Anderton aknowledged that the earthquakes had completely changed the game and i believe even Bob Parker aknowledged that,

              We can see cause and effect in the Christchurch earthquakes and the polls reflected that by changing in favor of Parker after the earthquake,

              However, your original point, look at the Morgan poll 3 odd months out you say that is more accurate, as i point out above, i did, and Morgan shows 2-3 months out from the 2011 election that that poll was woefully polling National around 9% higher than the 2011 election result whereupon it plummeted in a 2 step severe fall to the actual election result,

              LOLZ, what exactly the rugby world Cup had to do with the above is anyone’s guess but your use of the RWC suggests that National plummeted in the polls after we won that cup,because in the Roy Morgan that seems to be what occurred…

              • Lanthanide

                Sorry, it is you who is incapable of reading comprehension, not me.

                It is very simple: you asked how many months between 2008 and 2011 that Roy Morgan was significantly wrong on National’s support compared to the 2011 election result.

                I am pointing out that is a stupid and irrelevant question to ask, because the polls ask “how would you vote if the election was held today”.

                As I expected, you completely missed the point of my bringing up Jim Anderton and the Rugby World Cup. I’m not going to bother replying any further as you seem to be too stubborn to actually try and understand the point I’m making, when really it is quite simple.

                • bad12

                  I asked??? you have failed to understand the nature of a rhetorical question but i am really sure that the point you were trying to make was truly simple…

  34. The Gormless Fool formerly known as Oleolebiscuitbarrell 36

    Hang on a minute.

    Isn’t this government corrupt?

    Isn’t it spying on everyone for the benefit of John Key’s wealthy American backers?

    Doesn’t it have a programme of drowning beneficiaries’ babies in shallow pools of rain water?

    How can this be?

    Do you think, maybe, the people are stupid and cannot be trusted?

    • felix 36.1

      People like Coldplay and voted for the Nazis.

      • The Gormless Fool formerly known as Oleolebiscuitbarrell 36.1.1

        Not the same people.

        • felix 36.1.1.1

          A bold and foolish assertion.

          • King Kong 36.1.1.1.1

            It is a little known fact that Chris Martin wrote most of the soundtrack to Goebel’s 1940 masterpiece “Wunschkonzert”.

            • Winston Smith 36.1.1.1.1.1

              Chris Martin was a fine servant oF NZ cricket but I didn’t know he was a composer (or Nazi)

              • King Kong

                Fuuny you should mention that. In a strange bit of linked up trivia, the guy who taught Chris Martin to bat also trains David Shearer on politics.

  35. s y d 37

    the people aren’t stupid, but they can never be trusted.

    people even like the feelers and vote John Banks

  36. vto 38

    The latest ‘ups’ in the polls for the nats is entirely driven by people’s happiness with the property bubble and their sense of being richer, together with other economic good news like milk payouts..

    It is a very common phenomenon.

    That’s it. Nothing more.

    • Treetop 38.1

      The property bubble is not the only bubble that the Nat voters are living in. Wait until they are spyed on.

    • grumpy 38.2

      Ever thought of going back to being a “righty”, as you were before you started hanging around here and caught Stockholm Syndrome?

  37. Sable 39

    Polls are questionable things at best. The polls last election made Keys look like a shoe in but if you do the math you will see he only just scraped into power by towing Dunn and the Maori party into office along with him. The view that Keys is popular is when viewed in concrete terms a myth. The stats don’t support this claim.

    Labour’ problem is not Keys gaining support but more that voters who would have supported Labour are disillusioned by their stubborn unwillingness to actually listen to what people want and then stand up and say so. As a result large numbers of people simply stay home on election day which is what happened last time around and may well happen again.

    Shearer has to go but whoever takes his place needs to be willing to listen and then transform public opinion into tangible policy and then be willing to follow that through into legislation.

    Heres may take on a few of the things killing off Labour’s chances of success:

    >Insipid opposition to Keys spy bill
    >No solid decision on foreign investment in NZ housing
    >No real policy on taxing the wealthy and profits from the sale of businesses
    >No solid opposition to predatory behaviour by banks and lending institutions
    >No policy on reforming the growth of regressive taxation
    >No policy on combating the lack of accountability in government
    >No real policy on reforming our failing health system
    >FINALLY entrenching the bill of rights

    • Winston Smith 39.1

      You forgot to add that National is doing a good job in trying times. Employment down, crime down and the economy up so its no surprise the people of NZ are satisified with National.

      • Sable 39.1.1

        Yes that’s why droves of Kiwis head for the airport every single week and still do. Everyone is delighted by Keys and his nonsense.

        • Winston Smith 39.1.1.1

          Yes of course that explains why Nationals down in the polls and Labours up…

  38. bad12 40

    Hell i am so depressed by the latest Roy Morgan that upon awakening this morning i tried to throw myself under my nephews bus,

    Needless to say i am as bitterly disappointed in the manufacturers of tonka toys as my nephew is in my attempt to wreck his favorite toy…

  39. Winston Smith 41

    Um this is only a shocker to those who actually thought Labour were gaining traction, to everyone else it isn’t.

    I’ll give Labour a free hint…the voting public don’t care about Dot Con, CSSB or any other belt-way issue

    Even the Greens are more in tune with what the public want (and yes it pains me to say that)

  40. Boadicea 42

    The problem is not Roy Morgan.
    The problem is not the polling methodologies.

    If there were no polls how would you, your friends and work colleagues, tbe media, the people in your club feel about Labour’s chances of winning the next election? And about the performances of Shearer?

  41. Treetop 43

    Call in the Feng Shui expert as this will do no harm.

    I have made a real effort to listen more carefully to Shearer and he is improving on how to attack the problem. Shearer gave a good answer on morning report as to how he would run the GCSB.

    May be there are a lot of confused voters out there and clarity will give assurance. There is no clarity or assurance with Key’s mishandling of having oversight of the GCSB and SIS.

    When the poll was taken Parliament was in recess.

  42. Just Like Tiger Woods 44

    It’s the economy, stupid.

    Labour and the Greens don’t get it. They’re talking about everything but…..

    • unpcnzcougar 44.1

      Exactly! On the day it is the party(s) who voters think are most capable of managing the economy that get the vote.

    • Just Like Tiger Woods 44.2

      Labour needs to spend 100% of their energy promoting core, economic principles, such as job creation, lowering the cost of living, and growing the economy.

      Everything else is beltway, activist, irrelevance.

      So, the result of spending 100% of the time on side issues is falling poll results.

      Labour have made themselves irrelevant, and have no one to blame but themselves.

    • Treetop 44.3

      “It’s the economy, stupid.”

      Stupid financial management.

  43. Winston Smith 45

    Don’t worry Labour supporters I have some ideas which are guaranteed to work:

    1. Don’t change leaders, if it ain’t broke don’t fix it

    2. Concentrate on beltway issues like the GCSB and Dot Con because thats what resonates with the man and woman on the street

    3. Attack John Key because if you make him less popular National will suffer (don’t worry that it hasn’t happened yet keep flinging mud it’ll bound to stick sooner or later)

    4. Labour really need a ratio of 50-50 male to female MPs to show how intune they are with the voters

    5. More cuddling upto the Greens is needed

    6. Whatever you do don’t show loyalty to the Leader

    7. Banish the one person who could potentially foot it with John Key in a debate to the back benches

    8. Keep underestimating John Key, hes only a money man hes obviously not that intelligent

    So there you go, no need to thank me it was my pleasure :)

    • grumpy 45.2

      Job offer from New York on the way……..

    • Treetop 45.3

      Drama after drama and more drama when it comes to taking responsibility for ones actions and being an accountable PM to the public.

      The PM has also not learnt yet to not answer a question until he is certain of the answer. When he gave his assurance to do this about six months ago I had doubt. E.g. Fletcher’s appointment.

  44. infused 46

    It’s quite an easy one really…

    People don’t trust Labour. They don’t trust the policies, they don’t trust the old guard. They announce stupid shit like NZ Power, it does nothing but harm.

    Keep doing what you’re doing.

    • insider 46.1

      No you don’t get it infused – they are GREAT policies that don’t go far enough. It’s the people who are too stupid to get that, that are the problem. See thread above for details.

      • Winston Smith 46.1.1

        Yes thats true, one day the people will come to their senses and see through National and vote Labour in…and then Mallard wakes up

      • infused 46.1.2

        Oh, the voters are too stupid.

        You just confirmed my point.

  45. Blue 47

    Aussie Labor under Gillard fell 4% in the polls after her ‘men in blue ties’ speech. It was no surprise that the first Roy Morgan taking into account the ‘man ban’ fiasco was going to be a fucking disaster for Labour. They’re bloody lucky it wasn’t worse.

    • Colonial Viper 47.1

      I think the answer for Labour is to pursue more gender and sexuality based initiatives, not less.

      • McFlock 47.1.1

        Nah, I think the answer is for labour to only release policies that affect good keen blokes. That way the huge voting bloc of Waitakere Men won’t be scared away.

        • Colonial Viper 47.1.1.1

          71% of NZers are already scared away, by the looks of it. I think abortion law reform and euthanasia law reform is what we need to bring them back. Also, Labour should require that 50% of corporate board seats are held by women.

          • McFlock 47.1.1.1.1

            Oh well, if the end is nigh then Labour might as well die for something, rather than die for nothing.

            You never know, if Labour act according to principles slightly wider than those of sexist, mildly stupid blokes who refuse to think deeply about anything except sports scores, sex and beer, things might improve.

            • Colonial Viper 47.1.1.1.1.1

              But that’s precisely what I’m saying. Euthanasia, abortion, and board room gender equality are the issues that the NZ public are simply waiting for real leadership from Labour. Let’s go for gold!

              • McFlock

                well gosh darn it, man, run down to your local branch and start going through the process. Why didn’t you do that last year rather than whinging about personalities?

                • Colonial Viper

                  I’ve taken your long standing advice to heart mate, I’m very grateful. Shearer’s not important to the formula of Labour’s success, but the positivity of our individual efforts is. This 29% is going to be a very temporary dip, soon to be forgotten!

                  • McFlock

                    It sure will, now that your political genius is working for the left, rather than sitting on the sideline yelling abuse. Come save us!

      • srylands 47.1.2

        Yes the more the better I say.

    • karol 47.2

      Yeah. i guess we just have to accept it’s a man’s world and never try to rock the gender boat. After all, in this guy dominated world, the guys are doing such a top notch job.

  46. captain hook 48

    at the moment the country knows they are in the thrall of a gang of bohunks who are playing them for all they are worth.
    don keyote (like peyote but twice as dangerous) and co are pissing themselves watching everything going round better than the movies.
    but never fear. the odds will shorten before kweewee and his collection of imbeciles get their marching ordersnext november.

  47. jaymam 49

    I’ve just thought of a wonderful idea to improve Labour’s poll ratings.
    Make a list of all the soundbites that Labour MPs have got into TV news recently.
    Get all the Labour MPs to read those sound bites, and a panel decides who is best, on the basis of apparent sincerity, proper phrasing, lack of weird pauses, no stumbling over words, no shifty eyes.
    Make that person the Labour leader.

    e.g. the sound bite “I’m sure my caucus colleages would be of the view that this legislation must not, will not and cannot stand.”

    • McFlock 49.1

      because all a leader needs is sound bites, not the confidence of a majority of their colleagues…

      • Saarbo 49.1.1

        Those colleagues being Goff, King, Mallard, Cosgrove, Jones….getting the picture…

      • Saarbo 49.1.2

        Those colleagues being Goff, King, Mallard, Cosgrove, Jones….getting the picture…

      • Colonial Viper 49.1.3

        Absolutely McFlock, the performance of a political party is commensurate with the level of support their caucus collegues give them. In this case, Labour leads by example.

  48. Golden Teapot 50

    This is nothing to worry about. On the day which is still a long time away you can be sure that people will vote based on fundamentals. Shearer is doing everything right and by keeping to the same game plan and by keeping consistent we’ll see him get the right result in the end.

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    .   . Full story: Whale spotted off Wellington Shouldn’t that be a “Southern Right Wing Whale”?! . . = fs =Filed under: On A Lighter Note Tagged: Whaleoil...
    Frankly Speaking | 02-09
  • A Not-So-Foreign Country
    The Shadow Of The Past: The only positive aspect of Watergate was the way in which the venerable US Constitution was able to defuse what could have exploded into a full-blown “legitimation crisis”. Is New Zealand’s unwritten and historically untested...
    Bowalley Road | 02-09
  • An admission of failure; too little, too late
    The Prime Minister announced today that if re-elected, after the election, he would look to merge CERA into the department of Prime Minister and Cabinet. This is an admission that the CERA model – authoritarian, dictatorial and deaf to the...
    Rebuilding Christchurch | 02-09
  • Stuart’s 100 #18 A Great South Rd?
    18: A Great South Road? What if Great South Road truly was great? The creation of Great South Road was one of the great formational moves in the early expansion of Auckland. Starting in 1861, some 12,000 soldiers built the...
    Transport Blog | 02-09
  • New Fisk
    Israel’s ‘land for lives’ is theft. Pure and simple...
    No Right Turn | 02-09
  • Waiariki: Marae digi poll has Flavell losing support, Sykes up.
    The Marae digi poll on the Waiariki electorate came out yesterday - for what it's worth. They are notoriously unreliable.  The landline polls are increasingly picking up older householders and skewing to the middle class establishment that still maintain a...
    Tumeke | 02-09
  • Spying on their allies again
    The Intercept has a major new story about the US's intelligence relationship with Turkey, and how the US monitors the Kurds for the Turkish government, even helping them target hit squads. But at the same time as they're spying for...
    No Right Turn | 02-09
  • The Press Debate – tonight, livestreamed on Stuff
    The second big head-to-head between David Cunliffe and John Key will be livestreamed on Stuff from 7pm! The Press leaders’ debate is where Key pulled his “show me the money” quote in 2011. And he’s going to be taking this...
    Boots Theory | 02-09
  • Not business as usual: Key’s leadership style & the bloggersphere
    Two weeks ago I suggested this could turn into New Zealand's first policy-free election; my instinct seems to have been proven correct. While policy debates are still occuring around the fringes, there is no way now that with just two...
    Pundit | 02-09
  • Rock Star or Rock Bottom
    There was a story in the Press yesterday about 14 people sharing a small 3 bedroom house in Hornby after a family of 6 lost their rental and all their (uninsured) possessions in a fire and had to move in...
    Te Whare Whero | 02-09
  • Greens workers policy supported by union movement
    The CTU is supporting the Green Party’s policy launched today focused on improving life for working New Zealanders. Photo:  ...
    CTU | 02-09
  • To drive or not to drive, that is the question: generation Y research
    This is a guest post from Dr Debbie Hopkins, a Postdoctoral Research Fellow at the University of Otago – she’s currently doing some research for the NZTA on non-drivers. Read on to find out more and see if you might...
    Transport Blog | 02-09
  • Reclaiming the Third Way & why it’s not a sell-out
    During a visit he made to Melbourne in 2000, I joined some colleagues to sit down for a chat with Dick Morris, the self-proclaimed strategic mastermind who claimed to have single-handedly rescued Bill Clinton's flailing presidency and coined the term...
    Pundit | 02-09
  • The Greens on work and wages
    The Greens released their work and wages policy today, targeted firmly at improving living standards and reducing inequality. The headline policy is an immediate increase in the minimum wage to $16/hour, followed by annual increases to reach $18/hour in 2017....
    No Right Turn | 01-09
  • America, America ….
    We hear a lot about American exceptionalism – what they lead the world in, what they think they lead the world in, and their unshakeable belief in their god-given right to do so.  The USA has the highest per capita ownership of...
    Te Whare Whero | 01-09
  • The caretaker convention and elections
    There was an interesting discussion on Twitter yesterday between Dean Knight and Graeme Edgeler about the caretaker convention and elections. Dean highlighted the fact that Key had a perfect right to call for whatever sort of inquiry he felt like,...
    No Right Turn | 01-09
  • A clayton’s inquiry
    That's the only way to describe John Key's proposed "inquiry" into Judith Collins:An inquiry into the events surrounding Judith Collins' downfall will not examine the relationship between her and Whale Oil blogger Cameron Slater or the Serious Fraud Office investigation...
    No Right Turn | 01-09
  • YahooNZ’s news polls
    Another YahooNZ poll': September 1st"Do you think Dirty Politics is distracting from more important issues this election?" Results at the time of writing this:Yes. absolutely77%  (5622)  No, it's important22%  (1619)   I'm not sure1%  (66)    The capitals on 'Dirty Politics' clearly...
    Te Whare Whero | 01-09
  • Vote Choice: ACT’s Jamie Whyte – a ‘Narrow’ Ally?
    This week, the Vote Choice series looks at Dr Jamie Whyte, the leader of the ACT party, and his views on abortion and decriminalisation. A google search of Whyte and abortion provides little in the way of his opinion but...
    ALRANZ | 01-09
  • Who is Carrick Graham?
    Carrick GrahamIn damage control since their campaign officially began derailing a couple of weeks ago, things took another terrible turn for the National party last weekend. Not only did the corrupt Judith Collins have to resign on Saturday because of...
    The Jackal | 01-09
  • Judith, Cam, and the phantom FB messages
    I see that Judith Collins and Cameron Slater believe the hacker has simply invented Facebook conversations between the two of them. Insitnctively I don;t believe the denials, but I have an idea that could help Collins clear her name. Facebook...
    Polity | 01-09
  • Judith, Cameron, and the phantom FB messages
    I see that Judith Collins and Cameron Slater believe the hacker has simply invented Facebook conversations between the two of them. Insitnctively I don;t believe the denials, but I have an idea that could help Collins clear her name. Facebook...
    Polity | 01-09
  • Matthew Hooton’s dirty tactics
    Outside observers might be watching the National party unravelling and wondering what the hell is going on. This is especially the case with one particular right wing propagandist, Matthew Hooton.At first Hooton’s behaviour might seem a bit strange. He has...
    The Jackal | 01-09
  • Is Petrol cheap?
    I don’t tend to look at the motoring section of the Herald much however every now and then something stands out - often for its comedy value - and that was the case yesterday in an article titled Motoring Mythbusting. The article covers off...
    Transport Blog | 01-09
  • People of Turkey, Ukraine, I salute you!
    For some reason, I seem to be getting a lot of visits from Turkey.  Or perhaps that's just where IP address disguisers are presenting as at the moment.  But I like to thin the Ruritanian nature of New Zealand politics...
    Left hand palm | 01-09
  • The health pillar of good government
    Whatever the result on September 20, John Key will start the next term with diminished personal authority. Our democracy’s health is also diminished. Key’s inch-by-inch retreat to the point where his imagined leftwing conspiracy turned into a rightwing one and...
    Colin James | 01-09
  • Keystone XL: Oil Markets and Emissions
    Estimates of the incremental emission effects of individual oil sands projects like the Keystone XL (KXL) pipeline are sensitive to assumptions about the response of world markets and alternative transportation options. A recent Nature Climate Change paper by Erickson and...
    Skeptical Science | 01-09
  • Union to support Work and Income staff following tragedy
    The Public Service Association (PSA) says today’s shooting at a Work and Income office is a tragedy, and nobody should...
    PSA | 01-09
  • We no longer have a Prime Minister
    Having just listened to an item featuring John Key on Checkpoint (National Radio) I now have to announce that New Zealand has no-one at present performing the proper role of Prime Minister. John Key could not have acted less Prime Ministerial if he had...
    Political Scientist | 01-09
  • We no longer have a Prime Minister
    Having just listened to an item featuring John Key on Checkpoint (National Radio) I now have to announce that New Zealand has no-one at present performing the proper role of Prime Minister. John Key could not have acted less Prime Ministerial if he had...
    The Political Scientist | 01-09
  • Ashburton, 1 September 2014.
    Crime Scene: The murder of two WINZ workers and the wounding of another in Ashburton adds another tragic chapter to New Zealand's grim history of lone men committing multiple murders.I NEVER WENT BACK to Aramoana after the killing. I had...
    Bowalley Road | 01-09
  • Labour will strengthen New Zealand’s democracy
    A Labour Government will act quickly to protect and enhance New Zealand’s reputation as one of the most open and least corrupt countries in the world, Labour Leader David Cunliffe says. “The health of any democracy is improved by greater...
    Labour | 02-09
  • MANA Movement says tax cut on GST must be first priority – Minto
    “If Prime Minister John Key has money available for tax cuts then cutting GST must be the first priority”,  said MANA Movement Economic Justice Spokesperson John Minto. GST is a nasty tax on low-income families”, said Minto. “People in the...
    Mana | 02-09
  • The Maori Party’s Mana-Enhancing Relationship with National – Minto
    “First we had Cameron Slater and David Farrar backing Labour’s Kelvin Davis bid to unseat MANA Movement Leader and MP for Te Tai Tokerau Hone Harawira.  Now we have Slater writing a pro-Te Ururoa Flavell article on his website, Whale...
    Mana | 02-09
  • There’s Only One Poll That Counts
    “One of the oldest sayings in politics is that there is only one poll that counts – the one on Election Day – and that’s the one that I am focusing on” remarked the MANA Movement candidate for Waiariki, Annette...
    Mana | 02-09
  • Local communities critical to Civil Defence
    Labour will focus on empowering New Zealand communities to be resilient in Civil Defence disasters, says Labour’s Civil Defence spokesperson Clare Curran. Announcing Labour’s Civil Defence policy, she says that Labour will work with schools, voluntary agencies and community groups...
    Labour | 02-09
  • Labour looks to long-life passports, gambling harm review
    A return to 10 year passports and a review of gambling laws are highlights of Labour’s Internal Affairs policy released today. “More than 15,000 New Zealanders signed a petition calling on the Government to revert to the 10 year system...
    Labour | 02-09
  • MANA Movement Leadership stands strong behind Internet MANA relationship
    “There is now, and always will be, a range of views about many issues within our movement and members are free to express them, but Georgina’s views on Kim Dotcom are not shared by the MANA Movement leadership or the vast majority...
    Mana | 01-09
  • Rebuilding the New Zealand Defence Force
    A Labour Government will make it a priority to rebuild the capacity of the Defence Force to carry out the tasks expected of it, says Labour’s Defence Spokesperson Phil Goff. Releasing Labour’s Defence Policy today he said the NZDF has...
    Labour | 01-09
  • Speech to Canterbury Chamber of Commerce
    Today I'm going to talk about our policy package to upgrade and grow our economy and how we turn that growth into a foundation for a decent and fair society. But first I want to address the issue of our...
    Labour | 01-09
  • Commission of Inquiry must have bipartisan support
    The Labour Party is drafting terms of reference for a Commission of Inquiry, Labour’s Shadow Attorney-General David Parker says. “It is abundantly clear there is a need for an independent Commission of Inquiry, chaired by a High Court Judge, into...
    Labour | 01-09
  • Rapid Transit to unclog Christchurch
    Labour will build a 21st century Rapid Transit system for Christchurch, says Labour Leader David Cunliffe. “The long delayed recovery of Christchurch hinges on a modern commuter system for the city. “We will invest $100 million in a modern rail plan...
    Labour | 31-08
  • Labour’s commitment to public broadcasting
    A Labour Government will set up a working group to re-establish a public service television station as part of our commitment to ensuring New Zealand has high quality free-to-air local content. “We will set up a working group to report...
    Labour | 31-08
  • A new deal for the conservation estate
    The health of our economy depends on New Zealand preserving and restoring our land, air, water and indigenous wildlife, says Labour’s Conservation spokesperson Ruth Dyson. Announcing Labours Conservation policy, she said that there will be a comprehensive plan to restore...
    Labour | 31-08
  • Labour’s plan to end homelessness
    Labour has a comprehensive approach to end homelessness starting with the provision of emergency housing for 1000 people each year and putting an end to slum conditions in boarding houses, Labour Leader David Cunliffe says. “Labour believes that homelessness is not...
    Labour | 30-08
  • Labour: A smarter approach to justice
    A Labour Government will improve the justice system to ensure it achieves real public safety, provides equal access to justice and protects human rights, Labour’s Justice spokesperson Andrew Little says. “Our approach is about tackling the root causes of crime, recognising...
    Labour | 29-08
  • Labour to foster Kiwi love of sport and the great outdoors
    A Labour Government will promote physical activity, back our top athletes and help foster Kiwis’ love of the great outdoors by upgrading tramping and camping facilities. Trevor Mallard today released Labour’s sports and recreation policy which will bring back a...
    Labour | 29-08
  • Pacific languages recognised under Labour
    Labour will act to recognise the five main Pacific languages in New Zealand including through the education system, said Pacific Affairs spokesperson Su’a William Sio. Announcing Labour’s Pacific Island policy he said that there must be a strong commitment to...
    Labour | 29-08
  • No healthy economy without a healthy environment
    Labour recognises that we cannot have a healthy economy without a healthy environment, says Environment spokesperson Moana Mackey announcing Labour’s environment policy. “New Zealand’s economy has been built on the back of the enormous environmental wealth we collectively enjoy as...
    Labour | 28-08
  • Better protection, fairer deal for Kiwi consumers
    Tackling excessive prices, ensuring consumers have enough information to make ethical choices and giving the Commerce Commission more teeth are highlights of Labour’s Consumer Rights policy. “The rising cost of living is a concern for thousands of Kiwi families. A...
    Labour | 28-08
  • Media Advisory – MANA Movement Candidate for Waiariki Annette Sykes, Waia...
    Media are advised that this coming weekend, the MANA Movement Candidate for Waiariki, Annette Sykes, will be on the Internet MANA Road Trip within the electorate of Waiariki. Speakers confirmed are Annette Sykes, Hone Harawira, John Minto, Laila Harre and Kim...
    Mana | 27-08
  • Internet MANA – Waiariki Road Trip: 29, 30, 31 Aug 2014
    The Internet MANA Road Trip hits Waiariki this weekend. It would be great if all MANA members in Waiariki could especially attend the public meetings and show their support for our Waiariki candidate Annette Sykes. Confirmed speakers Hone Harawira (except Taupo), Annette...
    Mana | 27-08
  • First home buyers $200 a week better off with Labour
    A couple earning around $75,000 a year would be $200 a week better off buying a two bedroom terraced Labour KiwiBuild home instead of an equivalent new build under National’s housing policy, says Labour Leader David Cunliffe.  “National’s policy to...
    Labour | 26-08
  • Another Day – Another big power profit
    The latest profit announcement from Genesis Energy shows that the power company was sold for a song to the detriment of the country’s power consumers, says Labour’s Energy spokesperson David Shearer. “A net profit of $ 49.2 million follows hard...
    Labour | 26-08
  • Labour embraces the rainbow
    Labour will work hard to ensure all New Zealanders enjoy the freedom to grow up and live their lives in dignity and security. Labour’s Rainbow policy, released tonight in Wellington, focuses on International Relations, Human Rights and Education....
    Labour | 26-08
  • National gets fast and loose with the facts
    In their desperation to make it look as though they are doing something about the housing crisis, National is playing fast and loose with the facts, says Labour’s housing spokesperson Phil Twyford....
    Labour | 26-08
  • Labour will drop power prices for Kiwi families
    New Zealanders will get cheaper power prices under NZ Power, says Labour Leader David Cunliffe. “The electricity market is clearly broken. With falling demand for electricity, prices should be going down. Instead prices are going up and companies are extracting...
    Labour | 26-08
  • Labour: Promoting sustainable tourism
    Ensuring New Zealand’s clean, green status continues to be an international tourism benchmark and reviewing MBIE’s oversight of the tourism sector will be on the radar under a Labour Government. Releasing Labour’s Tourism policy today, spokesperson Darien Fenton said tourism...
    Labour | 26-08
  • Skills shortage a result of National’s complacency
    The fact that there is still a severe shortage of skilled tradespeople, despite a growth in the number of apprentices, is a result of National’s failure to plan and develop the workforce, Grant Robertson, Labour Employment, Skills and TrainingSpokesperson says."The...
    Labour | 26-08
  • How much tax does John Key pay compared to a minimum wage worker?? – Mint...
    MANA Movement Economic Justice spokesperson John Minto is calling for a radical overhaul of New Zealand’s taxation system with calculations showing that a minimum wage worker pays a ten times higher tax rate than the Prime Minister. o Minimum wage...
    Mana | 25-08
  • Labour’s culture of science and innovation
    Labour will create a culture of science and innovation in New Zealand that will be the envy of the world, says Labour’s Innovation, Research and Development spokesperson Megan Woods. “Labour believes that good science lies at the heart of a...
    Labour | 25-08
  • Improving life for our new New Zealanders
    New Zealand’s international standing as a community that encourages and fosters all cultures will be bolstered under a Labour Government with an upgrade of the present Office of Ethnic Affairs to a Ministry. Releasing Labour’s Ethnic Affairs policy, spokesperson Phil...
    Labour | 25-08
  • South Auckland housing crisis
    National’s HomeStart package is nothing more than a political stunt designed to beguile South Auckland voters, said Labour’s Pacific Affairs spokesperson Su’a William Sio. “Few working Pasifika and Maori workers in South Auckland will be able to buy their own...
    Labour | 25-08
  • Home buyer subsidy discredited in Oz
    Treasury advised against National’s policy of ramping up home buyer subsidies after it was discredited in Australia because it pushed house prices even higher, Labour’s Housing spokesperson Phil Twyford says. “Documents released under the OIA (attached) show Treasury advised the...
    Labour | 25-08
  • Nursing hours explain turnover and high-stress culture
    A staff survey supports concerns nursing staff at Dunedin Hospital are under increasing pressure and that the emergency department is in a critical state, says Labour’s Associate Health Spokesperson David Clark.  “An ED nursing survey at Dunedin found that 80...
    Labour | 24-08
  • Underhand tactics prove case for axing donations
    Revelations that schools are using underhand tactics to coerce donations from cash-strapped parents further highlights the need for Labour's plan to increase funding so they aren't dependent on contributions from parents, Labour's Education spokesperson Chris Hipkins says. “By law New...
    Labour | 24-08
  • National applies band-aid to housing crisis
    The Government’s flagship housing announcement is a band-aid approach that will push up prices rather than solve the housing crisis, says Labour Leader David Cunliffe. “House sales to first home buyers have collapsed as a direct result of the Government’s...
    Labour | 24-08
  • Climate change focus on the now for the future
    A Labour Governmentwill put in place a comprehensive climate change strategy focusing on bothmitigation and adaptation, establish an independent Climate Commission andimplement carbon budgeting, says Labour Climate Change spokesperson MoanaMackey."This is about future-proofing our economy. Making the transition to alow-carbon...
    Labour | 24-08
  • Labour’s 21st century transport pledge
    The next Labour-led Government will create a 21st century transport system for New Zealand that promotes the most efficient and sustainable combination of transport options, says Labour’s Transport spokesperson Phil Twyford. “Labour will rebalance the Government's transport spending away from...
    Labour | 23-08
  • Housing under National: the facts
    1.       House prices in Auckland Council valuations indicate Auckland house prices have gone up by one-third over the last three years. (Auckland Council) The average Auckland house price has gone up by nearly $225,000 since 2008, up over $75,000 in...
    Labour | 23-08
  • Labour irons out low income tax issue
    The increasing casualisation of work has led to many New Zealand families being disadvantaged through the tax they pay, Labour Leader David Cunliffe says. "Many low paid workers are having to work two or three jobs to make ends meet...
    Labour | 22-08
  • Cornered Government comes out swinging
    The National Government is so desperate to keep its dead-in-the-water expert teachers policy alive, it has refused to rule out forcing schools to participate through legislation, Labour’s Education spokesperson Chris Hipkins says. “John Key today attacked the Educational Institute for...
    Labour | 22-08
  • Pacific people continue to go backwards under National
    A report from Victoria University highlights the fact that Pacific people are continuing to go backwards under a National Government, said Labour’s Pacific Affairs spokesperson Su’a William Sio.  “The report shows the largest inequality increases were in smoking, obesity, tertiary...
    Labour | 22-08
  • Wellington transport plan needs to keep moving
    The failure of the Transport Agency to properly look at alternatives to the Basin Reserve flyover is not a good reason for further delays to improving transport in Wellington, Labour MPs Grant Robertson and Annette King say. “The Board of...
    Labour | 22-08
  • Labour’s focus on inequality, kids and better job prospects
    Tackling child poverty and removing barriers to people working part time to enhance their prospects of moving into a fulltime job are highlights of Labour’s Social Development policy. Releasing the policy today, spokesperson Sue Moroney said while part-time work was...
    Labour | 21-08
  • Political staff should give answers under oath
    The Inspector General of Security and Intelligence should use her full statutory powers to question witnesses under oath about the leak of SIS information, says Labour MP Phil Goff. “Leakage of confidential information from the SIS for political purposes is...
    Labour | 21-08
  • High dollar, hands-off Govt sends workers to dole queue
    The loss of up to 100 jobs at Croxley stationery in Auckland is devastating news for their families and the local Avondale community, Labour’s Employment, Skills and Training spokesperson Grant Robertson says. “The company’s inability to compete in international markets...
    Labour | 21-08
  • National’s flagship education policy dead in the water
    National’s plan to create executive principals and expert teachers is effectively dead in the water with news that 93 percent of primary teachers have no confidence in the scheme, Labour’s Education spokesperson Chris Hipkins says. “The fact that teachers are...
    Labour | 21-08
  • Dunedin will be a knowledge and innovation centre under Labour
    Dunedin will become a knowledge and innovation centre under a Labour Government that will back local businesses, support technology initiatives and fund dynamic regional projects, Labour Leader David Cunliffe says. “Nowhere has the National Government’s short-sightedness been more apparently than...
    Labour | 21-08
  • Inquiry into SIS disclosures the right decision
    Labour MP Phil Goff says the Inspector-General of Intelligence and Security has done the right thing by launching an inquiry into the disclosure of SIS documents about a meeting between himself and the agency’s former director-general. “This inquiry is necessary...
    Labour | 20-08
  • Labour – supporting and valuing carers and the cared for
    Placing real value on our elderly and the people who care for them will be a priority for a Labour Government, Labour Leader David Cunliffe says. Releasing Labour’s Senior Citizens policy today David Cunliffe promised that a Labour Government would...
    Labour | 20-08
  • A brief word on hacked celebrity naked pictures
    Of  all the inane bullshit I’ve heard in my life, the one currently saying ‘if you take naked pictures of yourself you should expect them to be seen by everyone’ is possibly the dumbest. Deleted intimate images people take in the...
    The Daily Blog | 02-09
  • The Daily Blog 2014 progressive voter guide – who to vote for to change ...
    If you want to know how to vote in a way to change this Government,  here is the electorate by electorate guide on how to strategically vote to kick National out of office. There are two votes. Electorate vote and Party...
    The Daily Blog | 02-09
  • Are Cameron Slater and Judiith Collins bare-faced liars?
    . . Are Cameron Slater and Judith Collins both bare-faced liars? Both of them. Liars? Here is why I ask… In the latest revelations, information disclosed by Rawshark/Whaledump to the NZ Herald alleges in further leaked sensitive information from  ...
    The Daily Blog | 02-09
  • What has surprised me most about the Ashburton WINZ shootings
    The terrible deaths at a WINZ office in Ashburton took us all by surprise. Staunch poverty campaigner Sue Bradford commented before the deaths were known and was attacked by waves of twitterarti who knew best. Sue apologised but her wider...
    The Daily Blog | 02-09
  • GUEST BLOG: Kiri Hannifin  – Make domestic violence an election issue
    Violence against women and children continues to be a profound issue in this country.  Despite the stellar efforts of thousands of grass roots workers to support victims of violence every day, we cannot seem to stem the tide. The past...
    The Daily Blog | 02-09
  • Factchecking Key’s Leaders debate claims
    There were so many questionable facts Key threw at Cunliffe in last nights debate that I emailed a few contacts to ask if they were true. Here is the very long list of things Key said that simply were not...
    The Daily Blog | 02-09
  • August Blog stats – TDB closing in on Kiwiblog – our final election con...
    The August blog stats are in, and The Daily Blog retains our position as the largest left wing blog in NZ with 416 374 visits last month and 667 411. Kiwi Blog who has been operating for a decade with...
    The Daily Blog | 02-09
  • GUEST BLOG: Curwen Rolinson – New Zealand First: Coalition of the Willing...
    There is, right now, an absolute metric truck-tonne of misinformation, lies, and willful distortion flying about on social media, in the blogosphere and even in the media and corridors of power about New Zealand First’s coalition position. Some of this...
    The Daily Blog | 02-09
  • Jeremy Wells’ Mike Hosking rant on Radio Hauraki: Today, Judith Collins i...
    Jeremy Wells’ Mike Hosking on Radio Hauraki...
    The Daily Blog | 02-09
  • The Press Leaders Debate – proof a newspaper can kill the internet
    No more beersies for you Mr Key. Seriously – was the Prime Minister drunk during this debate? I am so sickened by what passed as a Leaders debate, I will make this review short and vicious. Everyone involved in putting...
    The Daily Blog | 02-09
  • Voting starts tomorrow!
    On the telly, in the papers, on the Net, billboards on almost every street corner – it’s hard to miss the fact that there’s an election coming up. Everyone’s trying to win your vote on Election Day, September 20, (this...
    The Daily Blog | 02-09
  • Collins inquiry a whitewash before it has even started
    The farce whitewash that Key is trying to push through here for the inquiry into Judith Collins role in a hit on the SFO should enrage any NZer, regardless of how they vote. Whaleoil won’t be forced to appear, it’s...
    The Daily Blog | 02-09
  • Press Leaders Debate – Round 2 – 7pm tonight
    This debate is live in a Town Hall, Key has done well at these in the past, but since the hate politics exposed in Dirty Politics, expect real fury directed at Key. My guess is that Key will attempt to use whatever he...
    The Daily Blog | 02-09
  • MANA hit speed wobbles – why Annette Sykes will win Waiariki
    MANA are my favourites. But of late, their transition from crawling to sprinting has hit some speed wobbles. Hone’s and Pam’s aggressive attitude towards the media recently is very understandable in light of how connected many of the media were to...
    The Daily Blog | 02-09
  • Soz Cam – PaknSave boycott of whaleoil continues – time to start a boyc...
    Cam is so carcinogenic now, not even his mates in the Tobacco Industry are talking to him any longer. I suspect only the Israeli Defence Force propaganda department are paying for content on whaleoil now. Cam says that PaknSave have dropped their problems...
    The Daily Blog | 02-09
  • The Rock Fuels NZ Roastbuster Rape Culture
    This is making me feel pretty uncomfortable. Here we have an instance of Jono and Ben posing like “exposed celebrities”. But do you know what I’m seeing? I’m seeing two dudes who basically “roasted” a woman online (exposed pictures of...
    The Daily Blog | 02-09
  • GUEST BLOG: Kate Davis – Why beneficiaries need advocacy
    There are times when I am wrong. I was wrong recently when someone suggested to me that AAAP should be eligible for government funding to continues its advocacy work. That was before. Before dealing with advocacy on a weekly basis...
    The Daily Blog | 01-09
  • TheDailyBlog September Political Poll Has Been Kicked Off
    The Daily Blog’s August poll has concluded and the September poll has been kicked off, asking readers: What party will you likely vote for at this year’s General Election? You will see this month’s poll in the right-hand sidebar of...
    The Daily Blog | 01-09
  • GUEST BLOG: Kelly Ellis – Jamie Whyte, leave that poor seal alone!
    Worse than showing mere lip service to Rainbow inclusion, ACT leader Jamie Whyte showed stunning arrogance when appeared at a candidates debate on rainbow issues hosted by the Auckland University Students’ Association last Thursday. The stunning hypocrisy was evident as...
    The Daily Blog | 01-09
  • Right wing can’t help but use scum
    Some people have been shocked that the traditional right wing party in New Zealand politics is so deeply embedded with scum like the blogger Whale Oil. We need not be so surprised. It takes a certain type to support the...
    The Daily Blog | 01-09
  • EXCLUSIVE: National’s Ohariu candidate admits contact by Simon Lusk
    . . Wellington, NZ, 31  August – At a meet-the-candidates public meeting in the Rongotai Electorate, National’s Ohariu candidate, Brett Hudson, confirmed that he had been approached by “a mate”, who passed on a message from  National Party operative, Simon...
    The Daily Blog | 01-09
  • Coalition for Better Broadcasting – Auckland Broadcasting Debate 2014
    Coalition for Better Broadcasting – Auckland Broadcasting Debate 2014...
    The Daily Blog | 01-09
  • Petition for Governor General of New Zealand to Investigate all the allegat...
      Now we see the inquiry will be a whitewash, that is secret, won’t be consulted with the Opposition, will have limited scope and will ignore Nicky Hager’s book, we must demand the Governor General step in and demand an...
    The Daily Blog | 01-09
  • Ashburton, 1 September 2014
    I NEVER WENT BACK to Aramoana after the killing. I had been a frequent visitor to the tiny seaside village back in the late 1970s and throughout the 80s. Its tall cliffs and broad beaches providing a colourful backdrop to...
    The Daily Blog | 01-09
  • Checkmate in 1 move – how could Slater have known what was in OIA request...
    And now we get down to the final few moves before checkmate. If the following investigation is right, how could Slater and Collins have known what was in the Secret Intelligence Service Official Information Act request that hadn’t been released...
    The Daily Blog | 01-09
  • The Edge Posts Naked Photos Of Jennifer Lawrence Without Consent
    Today the Edge website – owned by Media Works – published fully naked photographs of Jennifer Lawrence without her consent. It is not OK to publish naked media of any woman without her consent, full stop. It is absolutely disgusting...
    The Daily Blog | 01-09
  • Bomber, Laila and Maggie – a highlight from Auckland Broadcasting Debate ...
    Bomber, Laila and Maggie – a highlight from Auckland Broadcasting Debate 2014...
    The Daily Blog | 01-09
  • Jeremy Wells’ Mike Hosking rant on Radio Hauraki: Today, how good was I i...
    Jeremy Wells’ Mike Hosking on Radio Hauraki...
    The Daily Blog | 31-08
  • Maggie Barry slags Laila Harre & blogger, audience erupt
    The Coalition for Better Broadcasting held their public meeting in Auckland last night and it became a fiery shouting match when Maggie Barry decided to slag Laila Harre and me off. 250 people packed into the Pioneer Hall off High...
    The Daily Blog | 31-08
  • It has to be a full independent public inquiry and Key MUST front
      You know things are bad when images like this start appearing in the media.  It isn’t a ‘left wing conspiracy’ to point out the over whelming evidence of what is clearly a right wing conspiracy! If it looks like a conspiracy, sounds like a conspiracy...
    The Daily Blog | 31-08
  • Political Party social media stats – National playing Dirty Politics on s...
    Interesting data from friend of the blog, Marty Stewart, on social media likes and it shows an interesting question that post Dirty Politics should probably get asked…   …it’s interesting that Key has so many personal followers.  One wonders if...
    The Daily Blog | 31-08
  • The depth of the National rot and the compliance of our news media
    I’m so tired. Aren’t you? I don’t want to read the news anymore. It’s awful and I feel ashamed of it. We live in a country that people all over the world would give an arm, a leg; their life...
    The Daily Blog | 31-08
  • Conservative Party candidate links smacking ban with suicide, sexually tran...
    If Chemtrails, faked moon landings and climate change denial weren’t enough, welcome to your new Minister for Spanking,  Edward Saafi... The anti-smacking law is to blame for youth suicide, youth prostitution and even sexually-transmitted infections, a leading Conservative party candidate...
    The Daily Blog | 31-08
  • A brief word on the canonisation of Matthew Hooton
    Before we all start the canonisation of Matthew Hooton, let’s consider some home truths here shall we? While the Wellington Ruminator Blog, the blog who was previously mates with Judith Collins, now seems to have a crush on Matthew Hooton… …I...
    The Daily Blog | 31-08
  • A brief word on undercover cops in bars
    Dunedin police booze operation labelled ‘creepy’ Undercover police officers drank in Dunedin bars as part of an operation targeting liquor licensing offences. While police said the inaugural operation was a success — with most bars found compliant — the Hospitality...
    The Daily Blog | 31-08
  • Judith Collins press conference
    Judith Collins press conference...
    The Daily Blog | 31-08
  • GUEST BLOG: Angry Lawyer – Collins, Odgers, Williams and legal ethics
    We deserve better lawyers than Judith Collins Three of the worst offenders exposed in Dirty Politics are lawyers: Judith Collins, Cathy Odgers, and Jordan Williams. What Nicky Hager exposed them doing would be out of line for anyone, but from...
    The Daily Blog | 31-08
  • GUEST BLOG: Pat O’Dea – Necessary Defence
    Increasingly climate change is becoming the main fracture line between political parties. Where political parties stand on climate change defines political parties and movements like no other issue. The Mana Movement like the Maori Party it sprang from, came out...
    The Daily Blog | 31-08
  • Why it is all over for John Key
    Image: Melanie D I’ve been confident that National will lose this election and that our focus should be on what a progressive Government needs to establish as its agenda in the first 100 days. Past that point, the establishment pushes back...
    The Daily Blog | 31-08
  • A brief word to everyone who voted National in 2011
    I received this interesting email from a National Party supporter today… …let me say this to anyone who voted National last election – you should be ashamed by what has been revealed and what your vote ended up enabling but...
    The Daily Blog | 31-08
  • EXCLUSIVE: Déjà Vu All Over Again: John Ansell confirms his participation...
      THE MAN BEHIND the Iwi-Kiwi billboards that very nearly won the 2005 election for Don Brash and the National Party has confirmed his involvement in businessman John Third’s and former Act MP Owen Jennings’ campaign to drive down the...
    The Daily Blog | 31-08
  • Public Broadcasting Auckland debate 6.30pm tonight now with Colin Craig &am...
    The Coalition for Better Broadcasting debate on public broadcasting happens tonight at 6.30pm in Auckland at the Pioneer Women’s Hall, High Street, Auckland City.  In the light of Dirty Politics and the manipulation of the media, public broadcasting is more important for...
    The Daily Blog | 30-08
  • Winners & Losers in Collins sacking plus what’s the latest on Slater...
      Make no mistake, there was no way this was a resignation, it’s a face saving way out for Collins, she was sacked.  My understanding is that National internal polls are haemorrhaging and that the powers that be within National...
    The Daily Blog | 30-08
  • Third party propaganda attacks incoming Labour-led government
    . . Further to a report by Daily Blogger, Chris Trotter, on receiving information regarding planned attack-billboards, the following billboard is highly visible to traffic on the southbound lane of the Wellington motorway, just prior to the Murphy St turn-off....
    The Daily Blog | 30-08
  • Labour wins the Internet
    I’m sure I’m not the only one who tried to vote online for the leaders debate and couldn’t because the website was down. The next option was the txt vote, 75c a pop of course. So I’m not surprised that...
    The Daily Blog | 30-08
  • GUEST BLOG: Anjum Rahman – Rotherham and the need to challenge willful bl...
    I haven’t been following the events in Rotterham too closely.  I’ve read about the basic issues and the culture of silence that stopped action been taken even after complaints were made.  That culture of silence is incredibly familiar, and described...
    The Daily Blog | 30-08
  • Review: Hairspray
      Oh Hairspray! What fun! Somehow I managed to miss the movie when it came out, I had no idea really what it was about though I felt it had a vague relation to High School Musical. In retrospect, that...
    The Daily Blog | 30-08
  • Mounting global pressure against Timor-Leste’s ‘death sentence’ media...
    East Timor’s José Belo … courageous fight against ‘unconstitutional’ media law.Image: © Ted McDonnell 2014 CAFÉ PACIFIC and the Pacific Media Centre Online posted challenges to the controversial ‘press law’ nine months ago when it emerged how dangerous this draft...
    The Daily Blog | 30-08
  • GUEST BLOG: Curwen Rolinson – Spies, Lies and When Campaigns Are Fried
    Like most of the rest of the nation’s political classes, I was eagerly affixed to TV One from 12:30 on Saturday afternoon to witness the downfall of Judith Collins.Whenever we witness the crumbling of a titan of the political landscape...
    The Daily Blog | 30-08
  • BREAKING: Whaleoil crushes Crusher
    Judith ends up shooting herself A new email has been released suggesting that Collins was attempting to undermine the head of Serious Fraud Office with the help of far right hate speech merchant Cameron Slater. Unbelievable!   She has been forced...
    The Daily Blog | 30-08
  • More good Questions for Mr. Cunliffe
    Exempting the family home from Capital Gains taxes is harder than it sounds. What if you charge one of the children board? What if it is one of the children’s friends? A boarder? Many South Auckland families share a house....
    Scoop politics | 02-09
  • Why are the Anglican Bishops silent in defending life?
    The Anglican Archbishops in Aotearoa New Zealand have identified four key challenges facing the country in the run-up to the General Election onSeptember 20. These issues are: • Child poverty • Income inequality • Lack of affordable and accessible...
    Scoop politics | 02-09
  • Encouraging the phenomenal growth in the Māori economy
    As the only independent Māori voice in Parliament, the Māori Party’s economic development policy is unashamedly focused on growing the Māori economy....
    Scoop politics | 02-09
  • Bottom line demands by minor parties destabilising
    "Bottom line demands by minor parties are destabilising and undemocratic" said Dr Jamie Whyte. "Colin Craig says referenda being binding is a bottom line and now Winston Peters says a Royal Commission is a bottom line. Polls say the vast...
    Scoop politics | 02-09
  • Victoria students lead youth engagement publication
    A group of Victoria University students are trying to reverse the trend of political disengagement by giving young people a voice....
    Scoop politics | 02-09
  • NZEI Te Riu Roa welcomes Green Party commitment to fairness
    NZEI Te Riu Roa has welcomed the Green Party's commitment to making work fairer and more equitable, saying it would also result in tangible benefits for children and their learning....
    Scoop politics | 02-09
  • MANA Movement says tax cut on GST must be first priority
    “If Prime Minister John Key has money available for tax cuts then cutting GST must be the first priority”, said MANA Movement Economic Justice Spokesperson John Minto. “GST is a nasty tax on low-income families”, said Minto. “People in...
    Scoop politics | 02-09
  • The Maori Party’s Mana-Enhancing Relationship with National
    MANA Movement candidate, John Minto 3 Wednesday September 2014 “First we had Cameron Slater and David Farrar backing Labour’s Kelvin Davis bid to unseat MANA Movement Leader and MP for Te Tai Tokerau Hone Harawira. Now we have Slater writing...
    Scoop politics | 02-09
  • Craig And Mcvicar Have Some Explaining to Do
    The Taxpayers’ Union is calling on Garth McVicar and the Conservative Party to explain how much the Party’s ‘tough on crime’ election slogan will cost. On Monday the Party was added to the Taxpayers’ Union Bribe-O-Meter , but the Conservative...
    Scoop politics | 02-09
  • Political parties to be questioned on needs of children
    Political party representatives will be asked to outline their policies in three key areas relating to the needs of children at a public forum being hosted this Friday by the University of Otago, Wellington (UOW). The event has been co-organised...
    Scoop politics | 02-09
  • Voting Period for 2014 General Election Begins Today
    The first votes for the 2014 general election will be cast today, Wednesday 3 September, as advance voting begins ahead of election day on Saturday 20 September. “Election day is September 20, but if you want, you can vote from...
    Scoop politics | 02-09
  • Independent Epsom Candidates ‘One Strike’ Crime Policy
    Best wishes to all of those who live in Epsom, Mount Eden, New Market, Remuera and of course the rest of New Zealand....
    Scoop politics | 02-09
  • Large majorities of NZ First voters would prefer Labour deal
    67% of those who voted for New Zealand First at the 2011 general election would prefer Labour to lead a coalition government if one is needed after September 20’s general election....
    Scoop politics | 02-09
  • Jointly owned urban development agency for Christchurch
    “Given the strategic importance of the Canterbury rebuild, it is logical that the transition from emergency governance arrangements is overseen by the Prime Minister’s office, but to maintain momentum in the city centre an expert development agency...
    Scoop politics | 02-09
  • Collins inquiry at best a Band-Aid, a permanent fix needed
    Collins inquiry at best a Band-Aid, a permanent fix is needed The Public Service Association (PSA) says the inquiry into Judith Collins’ behaviour must be accompanied by a process to restore the lost trust between Ministers and public servants if...
    Scoop politics | 02-09
  • Association welcomes new Chief Executive
    “The New Zealand Police Association is pleased to announce the appointment of Heather Verry to Chief Executive. Heather picks up the mantle from Chris Pentecost, who recently retired from this position,” Police Association President Greg O’Connor said...
    Scoop politics | 02-09
  • Young Voters Want Politicians to Grow Up
    Young voters want answers to the questions that directly affect them – but it seems as much as anything, they want politicians to grow up....
    Scoop politics | 02-09
  • Climate Voter election debate to get big audience
    Auckland, 2 September 2014 - Tickets to tomorrow night’s first-ever Climate Voter election debate have sold out but an online audience will also get to see the event live....
    Scoop politics | 02-09
  • The Edge show disregard for consent
    The Edge has shown complete disregard for consent, for women’s bodies and in doing so has contributed to the wider issue of rape culture in New Zealand says specialist sexual violence prevention organisation, Sexual Abuse Prevention Network. Yesterday,...
    Scoop politics | 02-09
  • The Rock is Fuelling New Zealand’s Roastbuster Rape Culture
    The Rock are still displaying without-consent images of Jennifer Lawrence and other celebrities online. They are making fun of this without-consent action, saying that she was "asking for it", etc. They appear to be supporting this kind of...
    Scoop politics | 02-09
  • HRLA Condemns Murder of Filipino Human Rights lawyer
    Attorney Rodolfo R. Felicio, a member of the National Union of Peoples Lawyers , was gunned down while working on a land dispute in Rizal, east of Manila. Two caretakers of the disputed land were also injured in the attack....
    Scoop politics | 02-09
  • SFO lays charges for procurement fraud
    Two individuals have been charged in the Auckland District Court today with Crimes Act charges laid by the Serious Fraud Office for alleged fraud against Mighty River Power Limited relating to procurement for the Company’s Southdown power station....
    Scoop politics | 02-09
  • Commitment to lifting wages good for New Zealand
    The Service and Food Workers Union has applauded the Green Party workers’ policy announced today....
    Scoop politics | 02-09
  • Sykes: There’s Only One Poll That Counts
    “One of the oldest sayings in politics is that there is only one poll that counts – the one on Election Day – and that’s the one that I am focusing on” remarked the MANA Movement candidate for Waiariki, Annette...
    Scoop politics | 02-09
  • Winston Peters Shown up by the Civilian Party
    Even the satirical 'Civilian Party' has now offered the Taxpayers’ Union more credible figures for the ' Bribe-O-Meter ' than Winston Peters’ New Zealand First. The Taxpayers’ Union Bribe-O-Meter now includes, National, Labour, the Greens,...
    Scoop politics | 02-09
  • Further criminal investigation into CTV Building collapse
    Police has today confirmed it will be advancing the criminal investigation into the collapse of the CTV building in February 2011....
    Scoop politics | 02-09
  • Greens policy to restore link between effort and reward
    The Green Party’s new workers policy articulates an alternative to wage repression and job insecurity based on restoring the link between effort and reward, according to FIRST Union. The core tenets of the policy include implementing an $18 minimum...
    Scoop politics | 02-09
  • Greens workers policy supported by union movement
    The CTU is supporting the Green Party’s policy launched today focused on improving life for working New Zealanders. “This policy shows the Greens commitment to collective bargaining as the best and fairest way to improve workers terms and conditions. It...
    Scoop politics | 02-09
  • Research Scholarships for Cannabis Treatments
    Medical cannabis research will be boosted by $140 million if the Aotearoa Legalise Cannabis Party is elected on September 20. Pediatric epilepsy treatment will be one of the main priorities for the research scholarships....
    Scoop politics | 01-09
  • Ngai Te Rangi Change to Tribal Elections
    Ngai Te Rangi has begun a postal vote of beneficiaries to change the way representatives are elected to the two Ngai Te Rangi tribal organisations....
    Scoop politics | 01-09
  • Greens’ commitment to pay equity welcomed by workers
    The Public Service Association (PSA) says the 58,000 workers they represent will benefit from the announcement by the Green Party of a commitment to pay equity and to a living wage for core public servants and contractors....
    Scoop politics | 01-09
  • Real People Powering Real Policy
    New Zealanders from all walks of life have helped the Internet Party create a full platform of strong, progressive and realistic policies that will create a better future for everyone, says leader Laila Harré....
    Scoop politics | 01-09
  • University of Canterbury to help with forestry safety
    The University of Canterbury is to launch a new research project to make sure New Zealand’s new forestry roads are safe and are established with minimal environmental impact....
    Scoop politics | 01-09
  • Time to get serious about ending homelessness!
    New Zealand needs a comprehensive set of policies that address the housing and support needs of homeless people as well as significantly increasing the supply of affordable, good quality houses and flats....
    Scoop politics | 01-09
  • Hundreds to join domestic, sexual violence march
    Several social service providers from across New Zealand have come together to call for an end to the epidemic level of domestic and sexual violence in New Zealand....
    Scoop politics | 01-09
  • Students helped with debt repayments
    New Zealand students now living in Australia are being reminded not to ignore their student loan debt as Inland Revenue expands its latest tool to help with repayments....
    Scoop politics | 01-09
  • Launch of GenderNeutral.co.nz website
    GenderNeutral.co.nz are excited to announce the launch of their new website, GenderNeutral.co.nz ....
    Scoop politics | 01-09
  • Factory farming debaters to look chicken in the eye
    MPs participating in a panel discussion about factory farming will come face-to-face with a real live hen, rescued from the claws of the intensive farming industry. Hettie the Hen will demonstrate to the MPs what little space is afforded to...
    Scoop politics | 01-09
  • Leadership stands strong behind Internet MANA relationship
    “There is now, and always will be, a range of views about many issues within our movement and members are free to express them, but Georgina’s views on Kim Dotcom are not shared by the MANA Movement leadership or the...
    Scoop politics | 01-09
  • Personal Statement by Matthew Hooton
    Personal Statement by Matthew Hooton 1 September 2014 For Immediate Release “This morning I made comments on Radio New Zealand’s Nine to Noon programme about an attempt by staff in the Prime Minister’s Office to interfere in the appointment...
    Scoop politics | 01-09
  • The Worm turns down for John Key
    John Key struggled to coax The Worm above the line in Thursday’s Leaders Debate, according to Roy Morgan’s Reactor, the original Worm. John Key struggled to coax The Worm above the line in Thursday’s Leaders Debate, according to Roy Morgan’s...
    Scoop politics | 01-09
  • The Edge Posts Naked Photos Without Consent
    The Edge website, owned by Media Works have published fully naked photographs of Jennifer Lawrence without her consent....
    Scoop politics | 01-09
  • Statement from the Governor-General on Ashburton Shootings
    The Governor-General, Lt Gen The Rt Hon Sir Jerry Mateparae, has expressed his deep shock following the shooting of three people in Ashburton today....
    Scoop politics | 01-09
  • Update on IGIS inquiry into release of NZSIS information
    In recognition of the public interest, the Inspector-General of Intelligence and Security, Cheryl Gwyn, took the unusual step of providing an update during the course of an inquiry and confirmed today that she would be summoning a number of individuals...
    Scoop politics | 01-09
  • An Open Government Plan developed in secrecy
    The State Services Commission sent NZ’s Open Government Action Plan to the international Open Government Partnership (OGP) Secretariat on 31 July. The countries involved in the OGP since its inception - from the UK and US to Indonesia and Brazil...
    Scoop politics | 01-09
  • KiwiRail; another year older and deeper in debt
    That is a lot of money and there are lessons that need to be learnt before we pour in another $1 billion....
    Scoop politics | 01-09
  • Fonterra China Deal Demands Safe Supply Chain
    The future success of Fonterra’s deal to sell infant formula in China [1] requires all milk it uses be safe and for Fonterra to secure its supply chain from contamination by GE DNA and pesticide residues. There is now significant...
    Scoop politics | 01-09
  • HRC praises Auckland mum for speaking out
    Race Relations Commissioner Dame Susan Devoy has praised an Auckland mother of four who went public after humiliating treatment by staff at The Warehouse....
    Scoop politics | 01-09
  • Southern DHB refers disputed issue to Serious Fraud Office
    Following advice from forensic investigation firm Beattie Varley Limited, Southern District Health Board has referred the expenditure at the centre of its long running dispute with South Link Health to the Serious Fraud Office. The parties have been...
    Scoop politics | 01-09
  • The Letter 1 September 2014
    Last night’s TVNZ Colmar Brunton poll puts the left and right 60 MPs each. United and the Maori Party say they will go with the side that gets to 61 MPs. ACT just needs just 1.3% or 28 thousand Party...
    Scoop politics | 01-09
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