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Roy Morgan shocker

Written By: - Date published: 8:52 pm, July 31st, 2013 - 342 comments
Categories: polls - Tags: ,

Latest Roy Morgan is out and it’s a shocker. Labour has dropped below 30% and the Nats are now over 50%.

Dropping into the 20’s is a very bad sign for Labour and will no doubt renew speculation about David Shearer’s leadership just at a time when the Government should be on the ropes.

It’s just one poll, of course, but then so are all the others…

Full results:

National 51% (up 4%)
Labour 29% (down 2%)
Greens 10% (down 1.5%)
New Zealand First 4% (down 0.5%)
Maori Party 1.5% (down 0.5%)
ACT NZ 1% (up 0.5%)
Mana Party 1% (down 0.5%)
Conservatives 1.5% (unchanged)
United Future 0% (unchanged)
Others 1% (up 0.5%)

342 comments on “Roy Morgan shocker”

  1. Paul 1

    If there’s a bounce after this because of the new housing policy, then that’s proof the electorate want to see bolder policy from the Labour Party. Conclusion for LP – roll out more radical policy measures.
    If there’s no bounce, then Shearer must go.
    Whatever happens, it is clear that Labour playing National lite just is not a plausible policy.

    • Granted 1.1

      I don’t comment here often – I usually support national. Your comment about more radical policies is what keeps me from changing who I vote for.

      Its the radical element that puts me off Labour/Greens. Some of what the Greens can sort of make sense but needs to be watered down as their assumptions always appear to be flawed.

      I dislike the announced policy to nationalise power and dislike the latest housing policy announcement of Labour – what proportion of no-residents have purchased what share of houses sold in last three years?

      I am not stating that National are doing a great job, but I find that the policy announcements of Labour/Greens just puts me off.

  2. Colonial Viper 2

    Let’s wait just a bit longer…the tide will come in for Labour…surely.

  3. Roflcopter 3

    Labour – down
    Greens – down
    Mana – down
    NZF – down

    It’s not a Labour-only problem, NZ is fed up with the antics of the left overall… but the left won’t change, just blame everyone but themselves.

    • Paul 3.1

      Antics?

    • Paul 3.2

      Sense all the other left parties are being dragged down by association.

    • Draco T Bastard 3.3

      The only people I see blaming everyone else happens to be the political-right. Every time that something goes wrong, National say that it’s Labour’s fault. Every time that something goes right National claim it as their own even when it was Labour or another party that initiated it.

      • Paul 3.3.1

        Far too easy to push around.

      • TheContrarian 3.3.2

        “Every time that something goes wrong, Political party of the day say that it’s the other party’s fault. Every time that something goes right Political party of the day claim it as their own even when it was the other party or another party that initiated it.’

        FIFY

        • Draco T Bastard 3.3.2.1

          Nope.

        • You_Fool 3.3.2.2

          “Every time that something goes wrong, Government party of the day say that it’s the oppositions fault. Every time that something goes right Government party of the day claim it as their own even when it was another party that initiated it. When in opposition left-leaning parties blame themselves and the government when things go wrong, right wing parties blame the government.”

          FIFY

    • halfcrown 3.4

      What antics?

  4. Sanctuary 4

    I would hate to think what Labour’s percentage of support amongst all voters would be if you factored in the undecided and will not vote. 15%?

  5. Pete 5

    The man ban debacle filtering through? The past few days have been good for Labour, but I’m forming the view they don’t have enough in the tank for next year. Not with Shearer at the wheel, anyway.

    • Vagabundo 5.1

      Looking at the polling period, it’s likely the man ban debacle plus the shit stirred by Garner’s attempt at manufacturing a coup. The polling period ended this past Sunday, so anything since (i.e. the latest GCSB-related blow up) would have had little effect. There was no way Labour’s numbers wouldn’t take a hit after a wretched couple of weeks. Losing 2% isn’t as bad as I was expecting, but it’s still pretty dire.

      Assuming the next 10 days or so continue like the last couple for the government and opposition, Labour should be back in the low-to-mid 30s and National down to the 40s, but in all likelihood, this has probably sealed Shearer’s fate as Labour leader.

    • Anne 5.2

      The man ban debacle filtering through?

      I should think so. I hope those people in the Labour Party who were pushing for the remit might start to understand how naive they were. Everybody agreed with the sentiment but what a stupid way to go about achieving it… especially when the party is almost there anyway.

      • stargazer 5.2.1

        or maybe it was actually the way the parliamentary leadership & some of our MPs dealt with the issue that was more destructive than the remit itself? perhaps it’s time for MPs to understand that when they attack their own membership, it looks pretty bad all round.

        • Anne 5.2.1.1

          Agree stargazer there’s much truth in what you say, but on this occasion most of the fault lies with the originators of the remit. They were naive. There’s nothing else you can say about them.
          Remember it was the discovery of the remit itself that attracted all the public derision, not the party leader’s response to it.

          • QoT 5.2.1.1.1

            Remember it was the discovery of the remit itself that attracted all the public derision, not the party leader’s response to it.

            Yes, that was definitely the problem, not Shearer’s complete inability to respond quickly, utter a complete sentence, control the message or discipline his caucus before they all started blabbing to the nearest microphone. :roll:

  6. So the trend is bad/really bad/terrible?

  7. Private Baldric 7

    I blame Greg Presland !

    • Colonial Viper 7.1

      Clearly, it’s the ordinary Labour membership and assorted low level drones causing this low performance.

    • mickysavage 7.2

      Gee Cameron can’t you train and send over anyone better than this?

    • tc 7.3

      Who is he ? Can’t recall an MP /senior adviser to the old guard with any such name.

  8. Curtis 8

    It’s so frustrating every time the government has pressure put on them something else comes out to harm Labour.

  9. Fair call 9

    [deleted]

    [lprent: Already banned and now subject to an extra 8 weeks ]

    • Tamati 9.1

      The family vote ?

      Anyone who has a problem with GR being gay would probably never vote Labour who ever the Leader is.

      • Chooky 9.1.1

        @ Tamati

        Bring back Georgina Beyer…..If Cunliffe cant be leader…I vote for Georgina Beyer (..saw her again on TV tonight in the Helen Clark doco)…..Georgina was extremely popular with the electorate. She is very good looking, well dressed and charismatic and family friendly ….She is for the little people and she says it like it is!….also she is an interesting and dynamic woman….a big plus as 50% of the electorate are women!

        Grant Robertson unfortunately ( imo) has the sex appeal of a sturgeon fish….. Just as Don Brash had the sex appeal of a salamander.

        • Rhinocrates 9.1.1.1

          There are people who have fetishes for sturgeons who are probably otherwise perfectly intelligent, reasonable and likeable.

          Personally, I think that Mantis Shrimps are quite fascinating, though I am not sexually attracted to them.

          I’ve never thought about salamanders or sturgeons, and I must confess, I certainly DO NOT want to think about Robertson.

          Ever.

          Not under any circumstances.

          Not ever.

          Not even if someone positively compared him to oatmeal.

          Or leeks.

          Just don’t go there.

          No.

          NO!

          On the other hand, a sack of potatoes could look rather attractive…

          • Chooky 9.1.1.1.1

            @ Rhinocrates …..Squawk ! squawk!

            We should have a fish picture exhibition….match the fish with the politician

  10. BLiP 10

    Really, New Zealand? Really?

    • Brett Dale 10.1

      Yes, really. seriously really.

      • Colonial Viper 10.1.1

        Dammit BD. It seems most of NZ don’t see Labour as representing their ideals, values or interests.

        Perhaps if we follow up an earlier suggestion from today and have Labour lead on developing a gender-neutral term for “landlord”, things would improve.

      • Paul 10.1.2

        Hunter Thompson
        “In a democracy, people usually get the kind of government they deserve, and they deserve what they get.”

        • muzza 10.1.2.1

          Problem is Paul, f these numbers are reflective, and even if they’re not, large numbers of NZ voters see themselves as arrogant, lying, money driven, selfish, traitors!

          Wonderful!

          • Paul 10.1.2.1.1

            Quite depressing if you’re right.
            The neo-liberal rot will have really set in.

            • geoff 10.1.2.1.1.1

              The rot set in about 30 years ago. People wont work together until things have become much worse. That’s not to say things don’t have the potential to get a lot worse fairly quickly though.

        • UglyTruth 10.1.2.2

          In human society, people usually believe what the state tells them about about the nature of government.

  11. Shane Jones will be gnawing his own hoof off to get the top spot – I expect a big play from him soon, and God help us all if he gets there.

    • Pete 11.1

      Do I really live in a country where it’s possible the next Prime Minister is Shane Jones or Judith Collins? Please, say it ain’t so.

      • Rhinocrates 11.1.1

        Havelock Vetenari, Gaius Baltar… are these better names?

        • Pete 11.1.1.1

          Actually I developed some sympathy for both characters as BSG and Discworld progressed. I think a better comparison would be Edmund Blackadder (from the first series) and Davros.

        • Colonial Viper 11.1.1.2

          Baltar found himself in the end. Yes he was short sighted and self centred but on New Caprica he did what he could, even if it was not much. Did he like the trappings of privilege and position? Yep. But he had a final, important role to play at the battle of the Cylon Colony, and he followed through with it.

          • Rhinocrates 11.1.1.2.1

            Yep, true. Blackadder was certainly competent at least, Vetenari is a genius, Baltar was thoughtful in the end. Ah, Davros, indeed, a clever and compassionate fellow.

            Are they fictitious characters? Sure they are, but are any of our politicians anything but fictitious characters?

    • Chooky 11.2

      @ marty mars +1

    • Don't worry be happy 11.3

      NOooooo. Not the ‘non’gelding… Shane “Stallion” Jones!

  12. Jenny 12

    This is hard to believe.

    • Colonial Viper 12.1

      may be partly because Labour is not taking a principled stance on climate change and GHG emissions.

      • Te Reo Putake 12.1.1

        Very droll.

      • Jenny 12.1.2

        (It is hard to know whether you are joking or not CV). Of course. If Labour did do a Churchill, and screamed like a fire siren about this approaching existential danger that would certainly capture the attention of the electorate.

        • mickysavage 12.1.2.1

          I think that responsible political leaders ought to make climate change one of if not the most major items of business. Our grandchildren depend on it …

  13. Rhinocrates 13

    Well, for what it’s worth, my own very biased and peculiar view is that while polls show that people love Labour policy and would probably love Green policy, they still perceive the Greens as fringe and it will take time to change that and they perceive Labour as incompetent.

    As a probably Green voter, I’d like them to poll higher, but I don’t have any illusions and know that it takes years to change brand perceptions despite what marketing shysters might say, but Labour for a long time has been perceived as offering neither a real alternative nor the competence to deliver it… now yes, I do believe that their policy is improving, and is good, but seriously, does anyone believe that Shearer could deliver it, that the rabble composing the likely cabinet of cronies could be a government?

    Really, Mallard as Speaker? Mumblefuck as PM, fossilised Rogernomes like Goff and King as senior ministers, victims of terminal testosterone poisoning like Jones, and God help us, Tamihere, yuppies like that snot Hipkins in the inner circle… and the best talent on the back benches precisely because they have ideas, ability, vision?

    It may be reassuring to talk about “sleepy hobbits”, but I feel that New Zealanders do at least know incompetence when they see it.

    The good news is that the next election is for the government to lose… but there has to be a government in waiting, and so far there isn’t.

    • Paul 13.1

      51% of the country benefiting from this government…I just don’t believe it.
      I agree the Labour Party appear incompetent, yet The Greens are not incompetent and they seemingly have lost votes to the National Party too!
      NZErs must just believe Key’s spin…..

      • Lanthanide 13.1.1

        Firstly, 51% of people intending to vote, not 51% of the people.

        Secondly, people often vote for parties that don’t represent their best interests.

      • Rhinocrates 13.1.2

        The problem the Greens have is one of brand perception. Sorry if that seems arcane, but I used to be an academic teaching people who went into marketing and advertising, and dare I say it, got good positions and awards for it.

        One, people like to associate themselves with winners or perceived winners. The Greens are not likely to be a majority. That in itself counts against them. I’d like the Greens to score higher, but I’m not surprised that they don’t. They’re still seen as a secondary party, no matter how good (I think) their leadership is.

        Two, it can take a day to destroy a brand, but years to rebuild it. Jaguar, a car manufacturer, scores very well in customer satisfaction surveys because they saw how badly they were doing in the 80s and made serious efforts to improve quality through the 90s and last decade, but their sales are improving only slowly. “Once bitten, twice shy” is a very real rule.

        Three, competence and coherence. I’ve said enough on that.

        Confidence matters and people remember.

        Social media are certainly going to be, are a major factor now, but brain-dead apparatchiks like Robertson will hinder any advances in that area.

        • Colonial Viper 13.1.2.1

          Social media are certainly going to be, are a major factor now, but brain-dead apparatchiks like Robertson and Curran will hinder any advances in that area.

          Come now my good Mr ‘Crates, let’s give credit where credit is due.

        • karol 13.1.2.2

          One, people like to associate themselves with winners or perceived winners.

          Well, that must be aided by using marketing methods, treating politics as a game, and Political Parties as competing brands – all reinforced by using tools of marketing like focus groups and constant polls.

          • Rhinocrates 13.1.2.2.1

            Unfortunately, that seems to be the case… politics is not so much a case of “rational choice” as idiotic economists would have it (though “idiotic economist” is a tautology) but brand associations. A significant number of people vote according to the tribe they want to be seen to be associated with. Please convince me that I’m wrong!

            • Colonial Viper 13.1.2.2.1.1

              NZers are practical people. They will choose between political parties that they think capable of governing the nation.

              • Arfamo

                Yes but a great many of them will probably form their view of who’s capable of governing the nation from the info put out by the MSM. Who are not interested in informing so much as entertaining audiences.

                • Colonial Viper

                  So you are saying that there are real, viable, credible alternatives to a National government, its just that the MSM aren’t reporting on them?

                  • Arfamo

                    No. I’m saying where Labour does announce policy and it gets negatively framed by the MSM the public gets a negative picture first. I heard or read somewhere once that initial impressions, good or bad, are often so strongly imprinted it takes four times as much contrary input to change that initial reaction.

                    If that’s the case Labour’s got a helluva job trying to convince people their policies are sound, and that their current leader’s up to the leadership job. It might also explain why Key’s still so teflon-coated in the polls.

                    • Colonial Viper

                      Well you’ve identified the problem there. “Launching a policy” is absolutely the wrong description for the activity and partly explains why Labour keeps getting fucked.

                      The Launch of the policy is step one of about a 6 step process. Labour doesn’t do any of the other steps.

                    • Arfamo

                      I haven’t been around here long enough to know if you’ve set those out somewhere else, CV. What are full 6 steps then?

            • karol 13.1.2.2.1.2

              Unfortunately, that seems to be the case… politics is not so much a case of “rational choice” as idiotic economists would have it (though “idiotic economist” is a tautology) but brand associations. A significant number of people vote according to the tribe they want to be seen to be associated with. Please convince me that I’m wrong!

              This is the way it has become. But it could b, and has been, different. By continuing talking about politics using “neoliberal” terms, you are reinforcing the status quo.

            • Anne 13.1.2.2.1.3

              A significant number of people vote according to the tribe they want to be seen to be associated with. Please convince me that I’m wrong!

              Can’t. Because you’re right.

              The majority kid themselves they are higher on the social ladder than they really are. To convince themselves it is true they follow the flavours of the day – the home location, food, car choices, holiday choices and who they want people to associate them with. I live in a part of Auckland where I see instances of it every day. Pakeha yuppies lording it over their supposed inferiors (check-our operators) or chatting mindlessly about trivial concerns over coffee with other yuppies. They greet each other on the streets or beaches as though they’re bosom pals from way back… you know they’re not. They’re pathetic – a laugh a minute but they don’t know it.

              • karol

                I don’t know many such people.

              • Colonial Viper

                Yep. The bigger the city the bigger the falsehoods in these relationships. Smaller cities and towns, especially in the provinces, is where it gets “real”.

                You’re not going to be mean to the check-out kid simply because you know that his Mum coaches the sports team at the school that your sons go to.

                • karol

                  Oh. There’s plenty of “real” people in cities who don’t talk down to check out operators. Might partly depend on which part of the city.

                  Actually, at some supermarkets out west in Auckland, lines can be held up while customers and checkout operators get caught up in chat.

        • Chooky 13.1.2.3

          @ Rhinocrates …very interesting….I am not trained in this area but I am fascinated by it….anyone who has connections with young people in their teens and twenties knows how much these young barbarians are influenced by branding and media perception …It is their world!….and increasingly ours( although some wont admit it and prefer the rarified air of intellectual abstraction)…..Political Parties can not afford to ignore it! ( Actually branding and media perception was always there but now it is in hyper reality focus)

          I actually think the Labour Party should be Directed by an Expert ( sympathetic to the Labour movement of course…such as yourself) as regards their best leader…..otherwise it is dinosaurs blundering around in the dark stomping on each others toes, biting each others tails and trying to devour their best contender.

    • BM 13.2

      The only way the greens will poll higher is if they become more central and work with National as well as labour, until that happens they’ll forever be viewed as labours more looneyer relation.

      Never happen unfortunately so they’ll always poll around 10%.

      • Paul 13.2.1

        They were 15%.
        They’re being dragged down by Labour’s incompetence.

        • BM 13.2.1.1

          Greens equal more extreme labour so the drop in the polls is hardly surprising.

          • Paul 13.2.1.1.1

            The very opposite is the case.
            If Labour adopted genuine left wing policies that represented their vote, they would gain many more votes.

            • Colonial Viper 13.2.1.1.1.1

              +1

            • Jackal 13.2.1.1.1.2

              Labour has just arguably adopted two very significant Green party policies, so lets see if that theory is correct and is reflected in future polling…I certainly hope that’s the case.

              • Colonial Viper

                Labour being derivative of the Greens may indeed provide a boost.

              • Paul

                Yes but people don’t see their heart in any policies…after the lukewarm efforts over asset sales then the power policy.
                There isn’t any conviction, no taking it to the Tories.
                Just a passive, ineffective, apologetic excuse for an opposition.
                A Vision….a passion…a plan…
                Can be done.

              • Mary

                And the spy stuff has been exceptionally bad for Key over the past two days – maybe even enough to cause him a modicum of damage.

              • Struth

                Problem is Labour fuck them up.

                • IrishBill

                  Here’s the latest Labour release on the GCSB: http://www.labour.org.nz/news/pm-clueless-about-gcsb%E2%80%99s-snooping-for-henry-inquiry

                  In just a handful of paragraphs it manages to move from the claim Key is clueless to the claim he’s not only not clueless but is engaged in a Machiavellian plot to hide the truth. It’s not just not in line with any broader messaging (because there isn’t any), it doesn’t even have internal logical consistency. It’s the kind of thing I would use to illustrate what not to do when teaching basic media writing. And it’s gone out in David Shearer’s name on the most important political issue of the day.

                  It’s that kind of incompetence day after day after day that has got us to this point and I can’t see it getting any better. It’s not a matter of policy (left or right) that has determined Labour’s decline – it is simply the fact that nobody in there has any idea what they are doing.

                  • weka

                    +100000000

                    It’s unbelievable really. I’ve been wondering how this affects Labour party members and how they cope.. Cognitive dissonance? Learned helplessness? Stockholm Syndrome?

                    • IrishBill

                      I’ve been involved in Labour for a long time – you’ve got to take the long view.

                    • KJT

                      Entirely agree with you Xtasy.

                      The welfare “reforms” are just the start of an evil attack on the sick, old and unemployed.

                      Unfortunately, Labour, instead of countering the constant memes from the right wing, who are happy for people to live on the streets in cardboard boxes, like Calcutta, and in a rubbish tip, like Manila, just so they can pay a few dollars a week less taxes, or pay “consultants”, and managers, thousands, are joining in with neo-liberal attacks on welfare, such as raising the retirement age.

                      At least two of the teenagers, and now young adults, I have helped, mostly by letting them “crash” in our basement and sometimes feeding them, are mentally ill, for real, after years of being shuttled between uncaring WINZ people, bullshit courses supposed to help them into work and unscrupulous employers. (Who get subsidies for giving them jobs, then find an excuse to sack, or cause them to resign, usually by reducing hours to less than they need to live, when the subsidy runs out, so they can get another subsidised worker).

                      Don’t even get me started on the “industry” of “helping” the unemployed.

                      You can imagine what all that does to the self esteem and the mental state of a young person just starting out. Now it will be much worse.

                      Labour needs to get a spine, cut out the dead wood, and take away ownership of the dialogue from RWNJ’s.

                  • Colonial Viper

                    Yep. It’s trying to play “gotcha” instead of expressing the practical application of consistent values and principles.

                  • Chooky

                    +1 Irish Bill….why don’t they take specialist advice on their media and message presentation?….this could be where the Nacts beat the Left hands down, certainly the Labour Party

                    • Colonial Viper

                      They have people like Mold and Fa’Foi and Robins and Curran, etc for that.

          • McGrath 13.2.1.1.2

            I agree with BM. New Zealanders like to think of themselves as pro-enviroment but not to the level of zeal that the Green Party represents. It’s this zealotry that turns off the average-voter.

            • Rhinocrates 13.2.1.1.2.1

              Probably a good point – we all want to declare our virtues, but actually practising them? Well, we’d like to, but…

              • McGrath

                I’d like to save the whales, but I draw the line at sailing a boat and ramming it into Japanese whaling vessels… The Greens represent the more extreme fringe of environmentalism. They’d do better if they were less “religious” (for lack of a better term).

                • weka

                  except we all do things routinely now that ‘radical’ environmentalists got labelled fringe for talking about ten, twenty, thirty years ago. What you are denigrating as fringe, is the cutting edge that will become the norm.

                  btw, you don’t have to protest whaling at sea. That’s what Greenpeace are for, you can just dontate to them instead. See how easy it is to support the right thing when you can’t do it yourself?

                  • gobsmacked

                    except we all do things routinely now that ‘radical’ environmentalists got labelled fringe for talking about ten, twenty, thirty years ago. What you are denigrating as fringe, is the cutting edge that will become the norm.

                    This is so true. Those crazy greenies want to … get lead out of petrol, recycle our bottles, build public transport, clean up our beaches, tell customers what’s in our food, cut the smog, and so on.

                    And every “mainstream” conservative agrees with them – now. But not then.

                    If we took a time machine to the 1970’s we would all be “Greenies”.

            • weka 13.2.1.1.2.2

              One of the major roles of the GP is to shift the forefront of environmental concern to the middle. They’re pretty successful at this, along with the NGO, activist and green business sectors. It’s about the long haul.

    • QoT 13.3

      I say again unto thee: fuck yes to all that.

  14. Most people are centered, labour has gone down, because they’re moving too far too the left.

    • karol 14.1

      I love a bit of humour in the evening.

      Thanks.

    • Paul 14.2

      Of course Shearer has really dragged the Labour Party to the left.
      Spin on…

      • Jimmie 14.2.1

        Perhaps more of a case that Shearer comes across as someone who is centrist or leaning to the right but who is coming out with policy that is veering to the left. (NZ Power, House buying bans etc.)

        This is a natural dichotomy that doesn’t resonate well with the electorate.

        Say what you like about Key but what is apparent that since he has led the National Party he has pushed moderate policy (Compared to Brash) and actually comes across as believing in what he is pushing.

        Through the turmoil of the Christchurch earthquake and its aftermath the electorate pretty much trusts Key – warts and all.

        To beat him in 2014 Labour needs a leader (and a team – but that may be too much to ask) who believes what he/she pushes. (Genuine) I dunno who that could be – Cunliffe perhaps?

        22% is getting closer

        • Paul 14.2.1.1

          Those are big warts….

        • framu 14.2.1.2

          “and actually comes across as believing in what he is pushing.”

          really?! – to me he seems the most insincere person ive ever seen. The only time i think hes being honest is when he gets that “im going to fu*kin kill you” look

          And trust?! – even my life long national voting boss thinks hes full of crap and has got to go.

          but yeah – how that jibes with the polls i dont know. It is a constant head scratcher for me.

          – but i do like the suffix “compared to brash”, so many uses

    • Mary 14.3

      Can I send this in to The Listener for Life in NZ? It’s a real beauty.

  15. karol 15

    A lot of focus on what 824 Kiwis said, when questioned by landline or mobile phone.

    • Paul 15.1

      “The poll questioned 824 eligible voters on either land line or mobile phone from July 15 to 28″
      What events were happening in this time to influence the 824?

      • Paul 15.1.1

        “Even if you are a minority of one, the truth is the truth.”
        Mahatma Gandhi

        • Rhinocrates 15.1.1.1

          Great, let’s see that win an election.

          • Paul 15.1.1.1.1

            My point (badly made, I concede) was that the last thing the Labour Party should be doing is moving to the right after polls like this. They should be sticking to their principles.
            The RWNJs want the Labour Party to panic to the right.

            • Rhinocrates 15.1.1.1.1.1

              I agree absolutely.

            • Rhinocrates 15.1.1.1.1.2

              I’m sorry if that was offensive, then.

              • Paul

                Not at all.
                I am trying to stress the need to hold to one’s beliefs and convictions.
                Last time the right wing terrified the Labour leadership into backing up on changes after power announcement.

  16. Richard 16

    Dude…where’s my country?

  17. bad12 17

    Lolz i wish you people would stop it, the almost palpable wringing of hands and gnashing of teeth i could swear i almost feel through reading your comments has me in fits of the giggles,

    It’s bad for my health all this humor, check Roy’s graph between 2008 and the election at 2011, NOTE the amount of time Roy touts, nay PIMPS, National as being able to govern alone and then ask yourself what grand disaster befell National a mere couple of months befor the 2011 election that caused them to nearly not be the Government at all,

    Rumor has it that the old dame behind the Reid-poll cracks up in grand merriment every-time TV3 broadcast the results of Her polling efforts, i am starting to think that over in Oz Roy is also roaring fit to bust,

    Roy’s latest certainly gives me the giggles…

  18. As karol has just pointed out:

    This latest New Zealand Roy Morgan Poll on voting intention was conducted by telephone – both landline and mobile telephone, with a NZ wide cross-section of 824 electors from July 15-28, 2013. Of all electors surveyed 4% (unchanged) didn’t name a party.

    I think that’s a smaller sample than usual. Also, the margin of error will be larger than that estimated in the table for 40-60% range – i.e., +/-3.2.

    Having said that, it is the fourth consecutive Roy Morgan poll showing increases for National.

  19. McFlock 19

    So what the hell’s happened over the last two months to reverse a solid trend? I mean, that’s four consecutive drops in the RM, which hasn’t happened since goff.

    I think at least some of it is garnishers and jonolists editing the truth, but it’s not like labour’s made a sudden change in its performance in that time period. Any ideas?

    • Colonial Viper 19.1

      Dunno, mate, things were going so well too; I’m as absolutely shocked and surprised as you are.

      • Paul 19.1.1

        It doesn’t seem to make any sense.
        GCSB, Sky City. Pike River, Christchurch schools…..

        • Colonial Viper 19.1.1.1

          I think the non-vote is swelling massively, as opposed to people going to National. Remember, one serious downfall of the RM is that they do not publish the % of “don’t knows/don’t care”. That’s where the Labour vote is going, as per 2011.

          The Greens – theirs is reasonably likely to be an error of margin blip.

      • Craig Glen Eden 19.1.2

        funny CV

    • karol 19.2

      Too many polls. Clouds the issues.

    • Rhinocrates 19.3

      but it’s not like labour’s made a sudden change in its performance

      Correct. They have remained consistently, reliably, steadily self-absorbed, uninspiring, divided, lazy and incompetent.

      Remember: the customer is always right.

      • McFlock 19.3.1

        whoops, there I go stalking again…

        • Rhinocrates 19.3.1.1

          Right, no answer, I see. You think it’s all about you and me – no, it’s about the left winning. Try to remember that.

          • McFlock 19.3.1.1.1

            such words of reasonableness from someone just back from a ban for bringing woodchippers into the conversation.

            Right, this is not going to end up being a derail argument. Fuck off. I will do what you are completely incapable of, you moron. So, go fuck yourself. bye bye.

            • Rhinocrates 19.3.1.1.1.1

              As I said… so thank’s for making my point, but really, it’s a very small point indeed and you needn’t have gone to the effort.

    • Vagabundo 19.4

      The attempt at manufacturing a coup by Duncan Garner, as well as the “man ban” debacle comes to mind. There might be something else, but that’s really all that I can recall at the moment. Nevertheless, it was a pretty rancid two weeks for the opposition. Well, more so than usual at least. This latest poll wouldn’t account for the latest GCSB blow-up (the polling period ended this past Sunday) but there you go.

      • Yes 19.4.1

        [deleted]

        [lprent: Already banned and now subject to an extra 8 weeks ]

        • Colonial Viper 19.4.1.1

          Who cares who got what phone records etc. I think the press have got this wrong about privilege

          But Sir Geoffrey Palmer is spot on. Multiple abuses of Parliamentary privilege have likely occured, centred around instructions from John Key’s office.

        • McFlock 19.4.1.2

          maybe in housing.
          It’s literally “closer to home” than GCSB illegally tapping KDC.

        • UglyTruth 19.4.1.3

          The GCSB saga is a symptom of a much larger underlying story which goes back to the end of WW2, which marked the beginnings of the NSA, the UKUSA agreement, and comprehensive restructuring of the western security apparatus.

          Soviet empire building was never enough of a threat to the west to justify this level of effort. The nature of the threat to the west wasn’t a military one, but rather a cultural problem which threatened to challenge the dominant role of the state. From this time the US state conducted several studies to investigate the issue, and then rejected their findings.

          Probably the key event for understanding this behaviour was Operation Highjump, which was the largest military operation to place following the surrender of the Nazi armies. Admiral Byrd’s history of exploration of both the North & South poles made him the ideal candidate to lead the operation.

          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GU85o4Laizw

        • framu 19.4.1.4

          your forgetting that dispite the mistrust of journos by the public – polliticians still come in lower down the list

          and your 100% wrong on the gcsb issue

      • Arfamo 19.4.2

        It probably hasn’t picked up the foreign non-resident housing policy either – announced on 28 July and that’s the last day of the phone poll’s 15-28 July polling period. And the msm coverage of that focussed on National’s framing with racism accusations. It’s only now that serious journos are starting to recognise its appeal.

        • Colonial Viper 19.4.2.1

          The Wellington earthquakes have made people decide that they need a political party with steady, trustworthy hands and which is ready to govern.

          • Vagabundo 19.4.2.1.1

            Unfortunately, all they have is the Nats.

            • Colonial Viper 19.4.2.1.1.1

              Yes, that is indeed what I am saying.

              • KJT

                That the top of the Labour party is so bad they make even the bumbling incompetent buffoons and evil puppets in National look good, by comparison. Yes.

                Which is why we need direct democracy.

                The thought of giving any of them, present political leaders, the absolute power we do, makes me cringe

                • Colonial Viper

                  Direct democracy and especially local democracy. Wellington must begin to devolve some of its powers back to local government and local communities.

    • Puddleglum 19.5

      but it’s not like labour’s made a sudden change in its performance in that time period

      It takes two to tango.

      You’re right that the long-run graph shows a decline in public support for National, but a couple of months ago the ‘drift down’ abruptly reversed.

      It may be that the public were waiting for Labour to ‘step up’ after getting disillusioned with National, and were actually giving them quite a long time to do so. But, as you point out, nothing changed in Labour’s performance so perhaps the public just swung back in behind National, slightly disappointed that they had to do that.

      In politics as in many things, there are windows of opportunity so far as ‘bedding in’ changes in public sentiment is concerned.

      Labour seems to have forgotten how to ‘dance’ with the public.

      • McFlock 19.5.1

        It may be that the public were waiting for Labour to ‘step up’ after getting disillusioned with National, and were actually giving them quite a long time to do so. But, as you point out, nothing changed in Labour’s performance so perhaps the public just swung back in behind National, slightly disappointed that they had to do that.

        maybe, but not likely. Otherwise that would have given a static line, rather than gradua increases, preceding the drop.

        • Puddleglum 19.5.1.1

          We’re getting a long way ahead of the data in speculating in this way, but what I meant was that the ‘(very)slow bleed’ of people to Labour was a kind of hopeful move (to indicate that, ‘yes’ we will go your way if you ‘step up’ and this is a promissory note of what could follow).

          That hope wasn’t fulfilled so not only did no more cross the line but those who came across signalling their friendly intentions were not ‘embraced’ and so they could easily cut their weak ties and drift back again.

          Or something like that.

          • McFlock 19.5.1.1.1

            it’s cool, we’re hypothesizing on the reasons for the shape of the curve so far, not necessarily predicting precise future results at this stage :)

            Okay, so it’s a bit like magnetic fields being bent one way against opposing forces until they finally collapse back like a whip (oh shit – nested metaphors. sorry :) )? Possible, but it seems a bit neat for my taste. It doesn’t have much in the way of external factors – that pressure against labour got released, but into what? Astronomical magnetic fields ‘snapping’ create aurorae or solar flares. To say “apathy” is suddenly and forcefuly created from a similar idea in politics seems counter-intuitive – I’d expect it to galvanise around something or someone, but it hasn’t. E.g. Brash and Orewa, or Winston and damned near anything he does (politically productive or “NO” disastrous, he has an effect). But it hasn’t gone anywhere – everyone on the left is down, and if you mean “gone back again” to National, then that validates the approach that some accuse labour of: moving right to steal national votes. The irony is that in that case, it suggests that labour haven’t actually been following that plan at all, otherwise they wouldn’t be where they are now.

      • Saarbo 19.5.2

        Yes, agree

    • Jenny 19.6

      ….it’s not like labour’s made a sudden change in its performance in that time period. Any ideas?

      McFlock

      The answer is in the question.

      • McFlock 19.6.1

        No, it is not. There is an effect with no cause.

        edit: and Jenny, don’t forget your own humble contribution to jonolism, of course.

        • Rhinocrates 19.6.1.1

          Have you considered becoming a theologian?

        • Jenny 19.6.1.2

          No ideas, is the cause.

          • McFlock 19.6.1.2.1

            two months ago labour suddenly stopped having ideas?

            • Jenny 19.6.1.2.1.1

              Apart from the question mark it is hard to know whether this is a statement or a question.

              Two months ago the Spy scandal started to erupt. What is Labour’s response? Let’s have a review. Everyone knows that a review is, code for, do nothing, consequently the public switch off.

              It probably doesn’t help that Dunne and Key have already agreed to hold a review.

  20. Paul 20

    Labour Party in the UK are also “consistently, reliably, steadily uninspiring, divided, lazy and incompetent.” yet lead the Tories by 12%

    • Rhinocrates 20.1

      So what do they poll in Ulan Bator, Luxembourg, Shangri-La, Barsoom, Middle Earth, or Perelandra? More importantly, how about New Zealand?

      Perhaps instead you mean that Mumblefuck and his cronies are even more egregiously unsuited than Milliband and co versus Cameron?

    • Tamati 20.2

      Not so much anymore.

      Lead is around 4%,

      http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/

      • Colonial Viper 20.2.1

        Yeah, UKIP has gone backwards and the Tories have been the sole beneficiaries.

        • Tamati 20.2.1.1

          With their crazy FPP system Labour could plausibly win a majority with less than one third of the vote.

  21. Rosetinted 21

    So there was a NZ wide selection – what ages have been selected out?

    • Rhinocrates 21.1

      Grasping at straws there, I think… sorry…

      If an estimation of success depends on a quibble about methodology, then things are desperate, and there’s a strong whiff of denial in the air.

      Unfortunately, it smells just like rot.

  22. Craig Glen Eden 22

    Shearers a joke pure and simple and voters wont warm to him. You would think the Labour caucus would be starting to see the writing on the wall but probably not, after all the majority of it voted for Shearer to be the leader. Labours slowly sinking with its incompetent Leader and caucus really sad but there you go.

    • Paul 22.1

      I think a telling moment with Shearer was all that stuff about his bank accounts in New York.
      Labour needs leaders who are more like the supporters they represent.

      • Colonial Viper 22.1.1

        How many experienced tradespersons, miners or machinists in the Labour caucus today?

        • KJT 22.1.1.1

          Unfortunately, none.

          We may get some fire and passion instead of time serving apparatchiks.

          And some competence on both sides.

    • Sanctuary 22.2

      “…You would think the Labour caucus would be starting to see the writing on the wall…”

      Writing on what wall? To remind you, the self-serving cause of the current disaster:

      NEW ZEALAND LABOUR PARTY List 2011
      1.Phil Goff
      2.Annette King
      3.David Cunliffe
      4.David Parker
      5.Ruth Dyson
      6.Parekura Horomia
      7.Maryan Street
      8.Clayton Cosgrove
      9.Trevor Mallard
      10.Sue Moroney
      11.Charles Chauvel
      12.Nanaia Mahuta
      13.Jacinda Ardern
      14.Grant Robertson
      15.Andrew Little
      16.Shane Jones

      They could drift down to Green levels of support and Goff, King and Mallard would still have jobs for life.

      • Rhinocrates 22.2.1

        Well, that list is a bit out of date, but your point is very clear.

        “Crisis? What crisis? Have you tried the Châteauneuf-du-Pape at Bellamy’s?”

        • Sanctuary 22.2.1.1

          The list is out of date, but the failure to renew the paerliamentary party in favour of incumbency protection of chronically underperforming senior MP’s is the direct cause of Labour’s poor poll performance. The perverse lackadasical culture of the disfynctional caucus means the good attract the enmity of the mediocre in the parliamentary Labour party.

          Labour needs a purge of it’s parlimentary old guard, starting at the next conference with rules – anyone putting up a terms limit remit? – clearly sending a message to the deadwood. If it means the old guard walk away and form the Labour-Blues with Dunne, so be it.

          • Colonial Viper 22.2.1.1.1

            Bringing onboard ‘new faces’ on the List but chosen specifically for their known loyalties to the old guard and ability to reinforce the status quo, is also common Labour practice. Former staffers, activists etc. A total Wellington Bubbleness which cannot be penetrated.

            • Olwyn 22.2.1.1.1.1

              Something that has crossed my mind recently: a negative side of MMP is that it actually reinforces political careerism, since one only has to gain the confidence of one’s colleagues and not necessarily the public. I am certainly not touting for FPP, just noting. In its early stages it seemed as if it would bring a new kind of person into the political arena, but it seems instead to tend toward a technocratic political culture.

              • Tamati

                Is there any motivation among the party members to reform how the list is made? Would be a great start in democratizing the party.

              • Colonial Viper

                The establishment looks after itself. This is the most dependable characteristic of any bureaucracy.

          • Saarbo 22.2.1.1.2

            +1

      • DavidC 22.2.2

        There are at least 10 on that list that should not have made it past July ’09. Goff should have done the job of putting them (and himself) out to pasture.

  23. Jackal 23

    Personally I think that people should be questioning whether the entire polling system is corrupt, just like the current government.

    • Colonial Viper 23.1

      Yes, agree, it’s the polls that are wrong. Don’t let them deflect Labour from what we know is the true and correct course.

  24. felix 24

    Sorry this is in the wrong place, but it bears repeating anyway:

    Really, Mallard as Speaker? Mumblefuck as PM, fossilised Rogernomes like Goff and King as senior ministers, victims of terminal testosterone poisoning like Jones, and God help us, Tamihere, yuppies like that snot Hipkins in the inner circle… and the best talent on the back benches precisely because they have ideas, ability, vision?

    It may be reassuring to talk about “sleepy hobbits”, but I feel that New Zealanders do at least know incompetence when they see it.

    Indeed, Rhino. It’s not rocket surgery.

    • pollywog 24.1

      I have great faith that Kris Fa’afoi will invent a time machine, travel back to advise Goff to anoint Cunliffe as next leader before stopping off for a bucket of KFC, cos that shit tasted wayy better back in the day!

      • Tamati 24.1.1

        At least that way he might get to see the opening of New Zealand’s first McDonalds.

  25. Saarbo 25

    What a terrible trend in these polls…I reckon that the National Party are selling themselves well and currently have a lot of friends in the media doing their selling work also. With House prices rising many Kiwi’s are feeling reasonably wealthy again, interest rates are low and National constantly harp on about how well they are managing the economy post GFC. Meanwhile workers rights are being eroded like never before, New Zealand inequality is growing very visibly and the increasing house prices are making the poor even poorer, unaffordable housing is the heart of our poverty issue. I guess in this environment, supporters of National become stauncher in supporting their Party and supporters of the Left become stronger in supporting their Parties.

    Phil Twyford listed the policies that Labour is trying to highlight below in a recent comment and in my humble opinion they look QUITE GOOD. But these Policies are not being SOLD, because Shearer is incapable of selling them, I will be honest, he’s fucken hopeless…he would be middle management material at best. IMHO only David Cunliffe is capable of selling a good Left narrative that could persuade the 5% to 10% (110k voters to 220k voters) of National voters to swing to Labour. But this is where the crux of the problem lies, the incredibly powerful and self destructive ABC brigade will never let that happen, and voters know this. So the soft middle voters will stay with National because Labour is dysfunctional and just doesn’t seem like a party that should be running the country. So as a Lefty and ex Labour Party member I am left wanting to support Labour, but then also understand why some people aren’t.

    http://thestandard.org.nz/labours-new-housing-policy-shearer-on-qa/#comment-669958
    Comment from Phil Twyford:
    “…but I would have thought that using the Crown balance sheet to build 100,000 affordable homes, and legislating to make it mandatory for landlords to provide warm dry homes was pretty good evidence in a housing policy of a committed move away from hands off free market policies. Put that alongside a jobs and modern manufacturing policy that includes rewriting the Reserve Bank Act, a government procurement policy that puts Kiwi firms first, R&D tax credits, a Capital Gains Tax, and raising the top tax rate for >$150K. Add that to a commitment to do away with the Bradford electricity reforms and introduce a single buyer model, a promise not to sell any state assets, and a commitment to strengthening collective bargaining (rather than weakening it as National is doing). I know it won’t satisfy everyone at The Standard but policy-wise that all adds up in my view to a pretty decisive break with the old orthodoxy.”

    • Olwyn 25.1

      The thing is, to sell policy you have to stand behind it, embody it, and make it your own. Labour, broadly speaking is not doing that. Instead it is intermittently running policy up the flag pole and waiting to see if anyone salutes it. This gives no measure of their commitment, and consequently fails to engage potential voters.

      • Saarbo 25.1.1

        Yep, supported by Shearer leaving the country the day after the Labour/Greens Power policy was announced…dedicated.

      • Colonial Viper 25.1.2

        I see Len Brown is reported to have come out against Labour’s ban on foreign residential housing buyers.

    • srylands 25.2

      The electorate does understand these are Labour policies. That is why the polls are abysmal. The policies are naff or bad. A “modern manufacturing policy”? Rewriting the Reserve Bank Act when it is regarded by the international banking community as an exemplar. Rewrite the Act, NZD drops 5 cents, oops petrol price goes up, middle NZ screams.

      All National needs to do is print out the Phil Package and laminate it for the voters – like a pledge card in reverse and mock it and attack it. How can you not see that?

      • Colonial Viper 25.2.1

        Recent Labour policies have been excellent, if somewhat watered down. Their “selling” into the voter market has been deficient, though. Really, anything that the international banking community frowns upon has got to be considered as at least partly meritorious, for starters.

        Also, “middle NZ” (the top 20% of the country) will just have to accept that paying an extra $5 to fill their SUVs or paying an extra $25 for their iPad is just the costs of living. They can cope. In fact, there are many benefits in the true cost of petrol/diesel being realised in a higher market price.

        The upside is the multibillion dollar boost that a lower dollar will give to our exporters, including our manufacturers and ag/hort sector.

      • KJT 25.2.2

        Srylands must be the paid astroturfer for this month.

        It would be nice if they sent someone to turf this site that had an original thought, though!

        It gets tiresome having to debunk the same rubbish, all the time.

        The constant parade of RWNJ’s, parroting the same old shit, show the truth of the research about the lower intelligence of the right wing and the lack of thought of authoritarian followers.

        http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/millennial-media/201304/do-racism-conservatism-and-low-iq-go-hand-in-hand

        http://issuepedia.org/Authoritarian_follower
        “Authoritarian followers generally prefer to subordinate themselves to a large organization within which they have little or no power.”

        I wish they would just “grow up”.

  26. hush minx 26

    There is no doubt that labor and their performance are a real danger to the Greens. It’s not just labor members who want labor to sort themselves out. Do I care who’s leader? Yes, but first let’s
    acknowledge Shearer has to go. Caucus- vote him out. Worry about who will replaces him second to that. But anyone will be better. Just let the process take its course. Please.

    • Bearded Git 26.1

      Yep Shearer HAS TO GO.

      Cunliffe’s one real sin is that he is left-wing; so what’s wrong with that? Labour can’t lose by changing to a more eloquent and passionate leader.

      Banish prat Hipkins to the very back benches. Moroney, King, Dyson and Cosgrove have to go. Twyford, O’Connor, Little and Clark are good performers.

      Top 11 should be (not ranked at this stage) Cunliffe-Little-Clark-Robertson-Parker-Adhern-Twyford-O’Connor-Fenton-Jones-Goff.

      This has sufficient number of good new and talented faces. Problem is only two women-open to suggestions here. Should Shearer be given a consolation role?

  27. xtasy 27

    I hate this, I hate this, I NEVER wanted to post here again, but here you guys get it!

    It is exactly what I expected, it is what I sense and know, what was due to happen, I warned you ALL, for sure, but some to do not bloody get it!

    Here is the work that Labour and Greens should be focused on, amongst other stuff, and why do amateurs like my mates and I have to work on doing the shit?

    Get a taste, of welfare reform challenge, I hear NADA from shit Labour, even lousy Greens now, to raise the real bloody issues. Here it is, READ IT:

    http://accforum.org/forums/index.php?/topic/15188-medical-and-work-capability-assessments-based-on-the-bps-model-aimed-at-disentiteling-affected-from-welfare-benefits-and-acc-compo/

    Download the bloody PDF, study and read it, and bloody phone, email and hammer your damned MPs, get them bloody hammered on housing, welfare, on economic, education and other policies.

    If that does not work, get a NEW PARTY started, by bloody October or November 2013! They betray us on welfare, social justice, do not deliver on labour laws, do slack here and there, and all focus is trying on catching Don Key out on his spy agenda. As well as that is justified, the policy and Labour and left and social democratic policy agenda MUST come FIRST, none ELSE!

    • blue leopard 27.1

      I’ve been wondering where you were xtasy,
      noting the horrible horrible treatment of welfare recipients
      that you warned about
      and has deeply affected me
      I very much agree with your comment
      very well said

      • xtasy 27.1.1

        We need a SPIRIT and POLICY change in Labour, a message, the constant and desperate attack on Key to expose his lies is perhaps right to some degree, but the left will not win an election merely on discrediting Key, there needs to be a damned PLAN, but few, if any see it. The PLAN must be defining, clear policy, and so far the housing and energy policy are at best mediocre. More is needed, and that is what people out there expect. National is wearing itself out, but winning an election due to the government being too bad will never be the best agenda. Even Helen knew better.

    • KJT 27.2

      Entirely agree with you Xtasy.

      The welfare “reforms” are just the start of an evil attack on the sick, old and unemployed.

      Unfortunately, Labour, instead of countering the constant memes from the right wing, who are happy for people to live on the streets in cardboard boxes, like Calcutta, and in a rubbish tip, like Manila, just so they can pay a few dollars a week less taxes, or pay “consultants”, and managers, thousands, are joining in with neo-liberal attacks on welfare, such as raising the retirement age.

      At least two of the teenagers, and now young adults, I have helped, mostly by letting them “crash” in our basement and sometimes feeding them, are mentally ill, for real, after years of being shuttled between uncaring WINZ people, bullshit courses supposed to help them into work and unscrupulous employers. (Who get subsidies for giving them jobs, then find an excuse to sack, or cause them to resign, usually by reducing hours to less than they need to live, when the subsidy runs out, so they can get another subsidised worker).

      Don’t even get me started on the “industry” of “helping” the unemployed.

      You can imagine what all that does to the self esteem and the mental state of a young person just starting out. Now it will be much worse.

      Labour needs to get a spine, cut out the dead wood, and take away ownership of the dialogue from RWNJ’s.

      • Descendant Of Sssmith 27.2.1

        For a significant number of years there has been three significant failures in the employment of those with disabilities and illness:
        1. The failure of the private sector to employ them
        2. The failure of the government to employ them and in addition to lay off large numbers of those previously employed
        3. The failure of government agencies to provide support and education to employers and support including financial help and actual tangible support to find work

        I remember my wife taking a boy with Downs Syndrome who wanted a job to WINZ for help. The staff members attitude was quite clear in that she did not believe he could work. My wife found him a job anyway and not at the below wage rate so beloved of most agencies helping those with intellectual disabilities.

        You see if the government wanted those with disabilities to work, in a genuine way, they would simply ramp up the effort to help them in a non-threatening and benign way.

        A government that supports it’s citizens wouldn’t castigate them, they wouldn’t label them as bludgers and malingerers, they wouldn’t have bureaucratic gobbeldy gook statements on medical certificates, they wouldn’t create a climate of fear.

        I posted once before that Labour would do well simply by promoting and supporting the governments own Disability Strategy and using that as guidance. That policy was written with and by those who have disabilities and paints a very positive picture of how those with disabilities view work and how they wish to be treated.

        http://www.odi.govt.nz/nzds/

        It begs the question – if you can benignly help those who are unwell and with disability to have meaningful work and meaningful incomes what is the real agenda to do this in such a draconian manner?

  28. xtasy 28

    The “leadership” of Labour is devoid of competence, it is redundant, it is due to replacement, and a thorough challenge now, for sure. The whole front bench needs replacing, and there must be a radical cleansing of the under-performers right now. I even gave Shearer some credit for a speech at the Anti GCSB Protest in Auckland last Saturday, but honestly, recent media and yesterday’s Parliamentary responses, were not looking good. Robertson will have his issues.

    Where is the A-team, where is the B-team, I ask, it does not seem to exist. A betrayal to all of us, on benefits, poor, sick, neglected, betrayed, let down, exposed to abuse by a harsh, ruthless and mean-spirited, in part illegally acting government, that is what this represents to me and a fair few others.

    Shearer, stand the fucking damned sake down, NOW, thank you!

    • Mary 28.1

      Do you think that the housing policy announcement and the latest blunders by Key over the spying issue might mean the next poll will be different? My guess is that they won’t make a jot of difference and that in fact support for Keys will probably increase. That will show how redundant the current Labour party’s become.

      • xtasy 28.1.1

        The issue is the MEDIA, they are in the hands of Key loyalists, and the are mostly that, I have followed Radio Live, ZB, and so forth, it is shocking. We need to push the social media, and engage people face to face that we know, there is no other solution, as the MSM is despite all scandals sticking with “security” (economic BS and bias reliance) and Key and National, that is the damned challenge.

        No matter how much is debated in qeustion time, and I said it before, it will move little, unless a real big scandal is exposed. But Labour and Greens spend all their energy on that, and lose the fight on POLICY and making a REAL DIFFERENCE on those much more important matters that the ordinary folk are concerned about. A change of attack agenda is overdue, but their advisors, changing Shearer’s one from bad to worse, is hopeless!

        • Mary 28.1.1.1

          Yes, the hopelessness around Labour caused me long ago to retreat into mere reliance on hope that Keys would misjudge the level of contempt he could get away with. If that’s the general sentiment then it isn’t a good sign.

          • Colonial Viper 28.1.1.1.1

            I think this one poll is a low read based on the bad handling of the Man Ban nonsense, also Nick Smith’s decline of the tunnel in Southland was popular with many conservation minded types, further people trust National to sort out issues from the Wellington earthquake.

            Based on people liking the NOFORN housing policy the next Roy Morgan should be back up in the ~31% range.

            • weka 28.1.1.1.1.1

              the first two reasons make sense, not sure about the quake one though. Haven’t they been paying attention to Chch?

            • Mary 28.1.1.1.1.2

              And surely the very recent Dunne/Henry/Vance email stuff must hurt National? Then again, it’ll probably make Key more popular, especially when we’ve now got al-Qaeda training in Helensville.

              • weka

                Very recent stuff won’t be in this poll, there’s always a time lag.

                • Mary

                  That was my point.

                  • Colonial Viper

                    Labour bounce to 31% or 31.5% is about as much as we can hope for I think. Yes the GCSB/Vance stuff is going to hurt Key but at the moment he will be feeling “relaxed.”

                    • gobsmacked

                      TVNZ have been polling this week, results out on Sunday.

                      National 45%
                      Labour 35%
                      Greens 10%

                      That would save Shearer … for another week anyway.

                    • Mary

                      Am looking forward to hearing him say he’s relaxed about having to resign.

  29. xtasy 31

    Anyway, we need no “holy” repetition, we know the challenges ahead, for the left it means: UNITE, no matter what differences, but get the leadership challenged and improved, or all will be LOST! Learn from other countries and their mistakes, that is the left of centre there. So much to gain, and too bloody much to lose!!!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZsdYs2qE7hA

    • Mary 31.1

      “…but get the leadership challenged and improved…”

      That’s the problem right there. How to do that nobody seems to know. That’s why it remains a problem.

      • xtasy 31.1.1

        Lobby, lobby, lobby, speak, speak, speak, repeat, repeat, repeat, send the message, and include, involve, talk, that is the only way, or they will stick to “chairs” like in old style Eastern Block systems. A challenge must be presented, can be expressed verbally, must be shared and spread, that is all I can say. Thanks Mary

    • Chooky 31.2

      @ xtasy ….! good to see you back!

  30. keith Ross 32

    FFS the public just want someone who can speak well and articulate to the average person what they would do differently. Shearer is a total dud, I can’t listen to him ,it is painful. The public would love Cunlife, he is very articulate and motivating, that’s what the public like, not some bumbling idiot who again is a pain to listen to. I do not like key but he can speak and is quick on his feet. He will slaughter that simpleton come the election season. the real reason that Cunlife is not leader is that he would get rid of the old guard who are not performing unless you call riding the gravy train performing.

    • Terry 32.1

      I couldn’t agree more. If Cunliffe were leading the party I’d be feeling a damned sight better about things right now but Shearer is as you said, painful to listen to. Labour need to grow a spine and drop Shearer now because the longer they leave it the worse the damage will be.

  31. Core_Labour_Voter (Tory troll) 33

    Labour is the only party with progressive polices. People will take their time to understand. Do not panic and ignore the polls. Shearer will start to improve the position of Labour early next year. National is peaking way too early and start to drop off. No reason for panic. Labour is still polling higher than election night.

    • One Anonymous Knucklehead 33.1

      Santi got a new IP address?

      • Arfamo 33.1.1

        Possibly twins. Newbie Golden Teapot tonight also looks like Santi.

        • weka 33.1.1.1

          Not too bright though. You’d think they could try and change the phrasing and tone of their astroturfing. Probably not getting paid enough.

  32. amirite 34

    NZers are just a bunch of dense motherfuckers.

  33. bad12 35

    Lolz, i am going to be naughty here and repeat myself, here is a FACT about the Roy Morgan poll,

    Question, How many months between the 2008 election and 2011 election did Roy Morgan poll the National Party share of the vote to within 4% of what National got in actual votes at the 2011 election,

    Answer, i have not gone into such detail of actually counting, BUT, a quick look at Roy Morgans graph of support for National and it tells me the answer is about 4,

    So, Roy Morgan in the 36 months between the 2008 and 2011 elections got the National Party % of the vote within 4% of being correct on 4 occasions and on 32 occasions between those elections polled the National Party support at between 4 and 10% higher than the 2011 election result,

    The only time the Roy Morgan poll shows Roy getting the % of the National Party support correct is in fact at the time of the 2011 election where Roy got to put His ruler on the page and rule a pretty blue line from the point of His last poll prior to that election to that actual election result, which resulted in Roy’s poll showing a drop of support in the few weeks leading up to the 2011 election of 6%,

    I am a little incredulous when it comes to Roy Morgan polls, not so much incredulous concerning the fact that Roy only ever gets it right within the margin of error on election night when He gets to rule that pretty blue line from His last poll to connect that last poll with the actual result,

    I am more incredulous about the veracity many seemingly highly intelligent people award to a Poll which never gets it right and continuously gets it wrong to the point of always, judging by the following election, gets it wrong by between 4 and 10%,

    Roy tho is consistent, in the period between the elections 2008-2011 Roy never once got it wrong by polling National support lower than the next election result, Roy always talks the National Party UP by between 4 and 10% of the vote that National never get,

    What i have said there takes no account of the realities of day to day political life where Party’s will go up and down int he polls,

    Having said all that, Roy says we are doomed, doomed you hear, PANIC….

    • karol 35.1

      The poll includes the responses for 824 potential voter. Is the sample unusually small because there were a lot of “dunno” responses that were not included?

      Nevertheless, the long term trend over all polls is not great news for Labour or the left.

      • bad12 35.1.1

        Only IF you assume Roy is correct Karol, Roy at times during the period between the 2008 election and the 2011 election polled National up near 10% of support it never went on to gain in November 2011,

        Roy during that 3 year period only ever 3 or 4 times got National’s share of the vote ‘right’ within 4% in terms of the actual vote in 2011, and Roy always erred on Nationals behalf with such polling by being wrong by that 4% or more on the plus side of 50%,

        It is tho a good poll which says remove the incumbent Dave and replace him with the other Dave, lets…

        • DavidC 35.1.1.1

          bad12.

          You can say its wrong all you like but this poll is just a touch worse than the TV3 poll last month. The trend for Labour is clear over last 4-5 months and the Greens ever since election. Downward.

          I look at the Curiablog http://curiablog.wordpress.com/ time/size weighted results for a better more even feel of where things are.

          • bad12 35.1.1.1.1

            LOLZ, but Roy between election 2008 and election 2011 did get it wrong 32 months out of 36,

            And of the 4 months i ascribe to Roy getting it right, all of them were only right by being 4% on the high side of the National %,

            Hell who am i to argue, Roy says we are doomed doomed you hear, it’s obviously time to Panic, demand the head of the Labour party leader,(in spite of most here not being members of that Party), and at the very least lose any positive inclinations you may have of a left leaning coalition government in 2014…

            • DavidC 35.1.1.1.1.1

              bad12.

              I realllly hope everyone at LP HQ listens to you and keeps on steering the ship toward the big white icy lump in the middle of the sea. Afterall what could possibly go wrong?

              Keep up the good work.

              • bad12

                Thanks for that David C, equally i really hope that everyone at National HQ fully grasp hold of the ‘Governing alone delusion’ Roy always during the election cycle throws out to them like a trainer throwing the dogs a bone…

              • felix

                and keeps on steering the ship toward the big white icy lump in the middle of the sea.

                I’m sure with another six months of unwavering dedication to the charted course, Captain Mumblefuck will have the ship righted and heading for the surface.

                (in time to meet the tsunami)

      • DavidC 35.1.2

        karol.

        Only 4% did not name a party.

        • Colonial Viper 35.1.2.1

          Interested now. Was that in the RM press release?

        • felix 35.1.2.2

          That’s 4% of the 824 who responded at all, which as karol notes is an unusually low response so you have to assume an unusually high rate of “can’t be arsed”s and “have no opinion”s.

          Still, it’s not that far off the trend.

    • Lanthanide 35.2

      “So, Roy Morgan in the 36 months between the 2008 and 2011 elections got the National Party % of the vote within 4% of being correct on 4 occasions and on 32 occasions between those elections polled the National Party support at between 4 and 10% higher than the 2011 election result,”

      Um, polls don’t work that way.

      They ask “how would you vote today”, not “how are you going to vote in November 2011″. They are trying to reflect the reality of the votes on the ground.

      As such, it’s really only worth comparing the polls prior to about 3 months of the election to the election result as some measure of accuracy. Before that period, the best you can really do is compare to other polls and see if they broadly agree or not; unfortunately NZ doesn’t really have enough polling data to get a good gauge on this.

      • bad12 35.2.1

        LOLZ, go on then L, have a wee squizz at the Morgan graph from 2 months out from the 2011 General election,

        What huge misfortune did National bring upon itself, excluding the whim of Roy, that caused it’s % of the vote to fall so dramatically,

        In 2 big steps down, something like 9% from a month or two out until polling day where Roy’s ruler and pretty blue pen had to shave 5-6% off on the actual day

        • bad12 35.2.1.1

          The Reid poll as John Armstrong of all people said in a recent column is tainted in that the pollsters ask respondents a series of ‘leading’ questions befor they then ask about voting intentions,

          The ‘leading’ questions are not collated and used to provide a fact, the ‘leading’ questions are so designed and asked so as to attempt to elicit a ‘required’ answer,

          i didn’t hear or see the old dear that ‘owns’ the Reid poll threatening to sue the old codger Armstrong for writing that in His Herald column so i will take it as read that that is in fact how the Reid-poll conducts it’s ‘research’,

          SO, we can collate all these polls and compare them all we like, But, if the information we use to discover the trend is in fact incorrect then the only result we can gather from having done so is going to be an incorrect trend,

          Roy Morgan in most polls cannot get it right even within the margin of error, and in any given poll Roy Morgan ascribes to National 4-9% of support that that party just does not have,

          i read Roy’s latest effort as subtract that 4-9% of support for National and within that subtraction is the true % of National support…

          • Colonial Viper 35.2.1.1.1

            ban the publishing of polls in the 72 hours before E-Day, to get the focus back on the issues and the campaign.

        • Lanthanide 35.2.1.2

          I’m not defending any polls or anything, I’m just saying comparing 3 years of polling to a single election afterwards is an incorrect and irrelevant thing to do.

          • Lanthanide 35.2.1.2.1

            For a very simple/extreme example of why this is a stupid thing to do, we can look to the CHCH earthquakes.

            Prior to September 4, Jim Anderton was leading the mayoralty race for CHCH and was highly likely to win, according to the polling done. After the earthquake, Bob won by a comfortable margin.

            If we simply applied your approach of “judge all of the polls compared to the election result”, you would say that the polls that said Jim was going to win were woefully inaccurate. But obviously that is because the earthquake happened and people’s opinions (inexplicably, IMO) changed.

            Hence it is stupid to lambaste the pre-Earthquake polls as being inaccurate compared to the election result. Just as it is equally stupid to lambaste a poll taken in Februrary 2010 as being woefully inaccurate compared to a general election held in November 2011 (after a Rugby World Cup as well, mind).

            • bad12 35.2.1.2.1.1

              L, naughty naughty, attempting to debate from a position of ascribing to me words or phrases i have never written nor intended from what i have written looks from here to be the foundations of a rather weak argument,

              Your first point, ”As such, it’s really only worth comparing the polls prior to about 3 months of the election to the election result as some measure of accuracy” unquote,

              That is well and truly answered in my reply above, a fact you seem to be unable to concede instead resorting to that time honored dishonest debating tool of ascribing to me words i have not used nor intended and then expecting me to defend the straw-man you insert into the debate,

              Where you are so wrong is to introduce Jim Anderton and Earthquakes, Jim Anderton was a shoe-in to win the Christchurch mayoralty until the earthquakes, polls reflected that, the earthquake happened and the polls changed to reflect that, Anderton aknowledged that the earthquakes had completely changed the game and i believe even Bob Parker aknowledged that,

              We can see cause and effect in the Christchurch earthquakes and the polls reflected that by changing in favor of Parker after the earthquake,

              However, your original point, look at the Morgan poll 3 odd months out you say that is more accurate, as i point out above, i did, and Morgan shows 2-3 months out from the 2011 election that that poll was woefully polling National around 9% higher than the 2011 election result whereupon it plummeted in a 2 step severe fall to the actual election result,

              LOLZ, what exactly the rugby world Cup had to do with the above is anyone’s guess but your use of the RWC suggests that National plummeted in the polls after we won that cup,because in the Roy Morgan that seems to be what occurred…

              • Lanthanide

                Sorry, it is you who is incapable of reading comprehension, not me.

                It is very simple: you asked how many months between 2008 and 2011 that Roy Morgan was significantly wrong on National’s support compared to the 2011 election result.

                I am pointing out that is a stupid and irrelevant question to ask, because the polls ask “how would you vote if the election was held today”.

                As I expected, you completely missed the point of my bringing up Jim Anderton and the Rugby World Cup. I’m not going to bother replying any further as you seem to be too stubborn to actually try and understand the point I’m making, when really it is quite simple.

                • bad12

                  I asked??? you have failed to understand the nature of a rhetorical question but i am really sure that the point you were trying to make was truly simple…

  34. The Gormless Fool formerly known as Oleolebiscuitbarrell 36

    Hang on a minute.

    Isn’t this government corrupt?

    Isn’t it spying on everyone for the benefit of John Key’s wealthy American backers?

    Doesn’t it have a programme of drowning beneficiaries’ babies in shallow pools of rain water?

    How can this be?

    Do you think, maybe, the people are stupid and cannot be trusted?

    • felix 36.1

      People like Coldplay and voted for the Nazis.

      • The Gormless Fool formerly known as Oleolebiscuitbarrell 36.1.1

        Not the same people.

        • felix 36.1.1.1

          A bold and foolish assertion.

          • King Kong 36.1.1.1.1

            It is a little known fact that Chris Martin wrote most of the soundtrack to Goebel’s 1940 masterpiece “Wunschkonzert”.

            • Winston Smith 36.1.1.1.1.1

              Chris Martin was a fine servant oF NZ cricket but I didn’t know he was a composer (or Nazi)

              • King Kong

                Fuuny you should mention that. In a strange bit of linked up trivia, the guy who taught Chris Martin to bat also trains David Shearer on politics.

  35. s y d 37

    the people aren’t stupid, but they can never be trusted.

    people even like the feelers and vote John Banks

  36. vto 38

    The latest ‘ups’ in the polls for the nats is entirely driven by people’s happiness with the property bubble and their sense of being richer, together with other economic good news like milk payouts..

    It is a very common phenomenon.

    That’s it. Nothing more.

    • Treetop 38.1

      The property bubble is not the only bubble that the Nat voters are living in. Wait until they are spyed on.

    • grumpy 38.2

      Ever thought of going back to being a “righty”, as you were before you started hanging around here and caught Stockholm Syndrome?

  37. Sable 39

    Polls are questionable things at best. The polls last election made Keys look like a shoe in but if you do the math you will see he only just scraped into power by towing Dunn and the Maori party into office along with him. The view that Keys is popular is when viewed in concrete terms a myth. The stats don’t support this claim.

    Labour’ problem is not Keys gaining support but more that voters who would have supported Labour are disillusioned by their stubborn unwillingness to actually listen to what people want and then stand up and say so. As a result large numbers of people simply stay home on election day which is what happened last time around and may well happen again.

    Shearer has to go but whoever takes his place needs to be willing to listen and then transform public opinion into tangible policy and then be willing to follow that through into legislation.

    Heres may take on a few of the things killing off Labour’s chances of success:

    >Insipid opposition to Keys spy bill
    >No solid decision on foreign investment in NZ housing
    >No real policy on taxing the wealthy and profits from the sale of businesses
    >No solid opposition to predatory behaviour by banks and lending institutions
    >No policy on reforming the growth of regressive taxation
    >No policy on combating the lack of accountability in government
    >No real policy on reforming our failing health system
    >FINALLY entrenching the bill of rights

    • Winston Smith 39.1

      You forgot to add that National is doing a good job in trying times. Employment down, crime down and the economy up so its no surprise the people of NZ are satisified with National.

      • Sable 39.1.1

        Yes that’s why droves of Kiwis head for the airport every single week and still do. Everyone is delighted by Keys and his nonsense.

        • Winston Smith 39.1.1.1

          Yes of course that explains why Nationals down in the polls and Labours up…

  38. bad12 40

    Hell i am so depressed by the latest Roy Morgan that upon awakening this morning i tried to throw myself under my nephews bus,

    Needless to say i am as bitterly disappointed in the manufacturers of tonka toys as my nephew is in my attempt to wreck his favorite toy…

  39. Winston Smith 41

    Um this is only a shocker to those who actually thought Labour were gaining traction, to everyone else it isn’t.

    I’ll give Labour a free hint…the voting public don’t care about Dot Con, CSSB or any other belt-way issue

    Even the Greens are more in tune with what the public want (and yes it pains me to say that)

  40. Boadicea 42

    The problem is not Roy Morgan.
    The problem is not the polling methodologies.

    If there were no polls how would you, your friends and work colleagues, tbe media, the people in your club feel about Labour’s chances of winning the next election? And about the performances of Shearer?

  41. Treetop 43

    Call in the Feng Shui expert as this will do no harm.

    I have made a real effort to listen more carefully to Shearer and he is improving on how to attack the problem. Shearer gave a good answer on morning report as to how he would run the GCSB.

    May be there are a lot of confused voters out there and clarity will give assurance. There is no clarity or assurance with Key’s mishandling of having oversight of the GCSB and SIS.

    When the poll was taken Parliament was in recess.

  42. Just Like Tiger Woods 44

    It’s the economy, stupid.

    Labour and the Greens don’t get it. They’re talking about everything but…..

    • unpcnzcougar 44.1

      Exactly! On the day it is the party(s) who voters think are most capable of managing the economy that get the vote.

    • Just Like Tiger Woods 44.2

      Labour needs to spend 100% of their energy promoting core, economic principles, such as job creation, lowering the cost of living, and growing the economy.

      Everything else is beltway, activist, irrelevance.

      So, the result of spending 100% of the time on side issues is falling poll results.

      Labour have made themselves irrelevant, and have no one to blame but themselves.

    • Treetop 44.3

      “It’s the economy, stupid.”

      Stupid financial management.

  43. Winston Smith 45

    Don’t worry Labour supporters I have some ideas which are guaranteed to work:

    1. Don’t change leaders, if it ain’t broke don’t fix it

    2. Concentrate on beltway issues like the GCSB and Dot Con because thats what resonates with the man and woman on the street

    3. Attack John Key because if you make him less popular National will suffer (don’t worry that it hasn’t happened yet keep flinging mud it’ll bound to stick sooner or later)

    4. Labour really need a ratio of 50-50 male to female MPs to show how intune they are with the voters

    5. More cuddling upto the Greens is needed

    6. Whatever you do don’t show loyalty to the Leader

    7. Banish the one person who could potentially foot it with John Key in a debate to the back benches

    8. Keep underestimating John Key, hes only a money man hes obviously not that intelligent

    So there you go, no need to thank me it was my pleasure :)

    • grumpy 45.2

      Job offer from New York on the way……..

    • Treetop 45.3

      Drama after drama and more drama when it comes to taking responsibility for ones actions and being an accountable PM to the public.

      The PM has also not learnt yet to not answer a question until he is certain of the answer. When he gave his assurance to do this about six months ago I had doubt. E.g. Fletcher’s appointment.

  44. infused 46

    It’s quite an easy one really…

    People don’t trust Labour. They don’t trust the policies, they don’t trust the old guard. They announce stupid shit like NZ Power, it does nothing but harm.

    Keep doing what you’re doing.

    • insider 46.1

      No you don’t get it infused – they are GREAT policies that don’t go far enough. It’s the people who are too stupid to get that, that are the problem. See thread above for details.

      • Winston Smith 46.1.1

        Yes thats true, one day the people will come to their senses and see through National and vote Labour in…and then Mallard wakes up

      • infused 46.1.2

        Oh, the voters are too stupid.

        You just confirmed my point.

  45. Blue 47

    Aussie Labor under Gillard fell 4% in the polls after her ‘men in blue ties’ speech. It was no surprise that the first Roy Morgan taking into account the ‘man ban’ fiasco was going to be a fucking disaster for Labour. They’re bloody lucky it wasn’t worse.

    • Colonial Viper 47.1

      I think the answer for Labour is to pursue more gender and sexuality based initiatives, not less.

      • McFlock 47.1.1

        Nah, I think the answer is for labour to only release policies that affect good keen blokes. That way the huge voting bloc of Waitakere Men won’t be scared away.

        • Colonial Viper 47.1.1.1

          71% of NZers are already scared away, by the looks of it. I think abortion law reform and euthanasia law reform is what we need to bring them back. Also, Labour should require that 50% of corporate board seats are held by women.

          • McFlock 47.1.1.1.1

            Oh well, if the end is nigh then Labour might as well die for something, rather than die for nothing.

            You never know, if Labour act according to principles slightly wider than those of sexist, mildly stupid blokes who refuse to think deeply about anything except sports scores, sex and beer, things might improve.

            • Colonial Viper 47.1.1.1.1.1

              But that’s precisely what I’m saying. Euthanasia, abortion, and board room gender equality are the issues that the NZ public are simply waiting for real leadership from Labour. Let’s go for gold!

              • McFlock

                well gosh darn it, man, run down to your local branch and start going through the process. Why didn’t you do that last year rather than whinging about personalities?

                • Colonial Viper

                  I’ve taken your long standing advice to heart mate, I’m very grateful. Shearer’s not important to the formula of Labour’s success, but the positivity of our individual efforts is. This 29% is going to be a very temporary dip, soon to be forgotten!

                  • McFlock

                    It sure will, now that your political genius is working for the left, rather than sitting on the sideline yelling abuse. Come save us!

      • srylands 47.1.2

        Yes the more the better I say.

    • karol 47.2

      Yeah. i guess we just have to accept it’s a man’s world and never try to rock the gender boat. After all, in this guy dominated world, the guys are doing such a top notch job.

  46. captain hook 48

    at the moment the country knows they are in the thrall of a gang of bohunks who are playing them for all they are worth.
    don keyote (like peyote but twice as dangerous) and co are pissing themselves watching everything going round better than the movies.
    but never fear. the odds will shorten before kweewee and his collection of imbeciles get their marching ordersnext november.

  47. jaymam 49

    I’ve just thought of a wonderful idea to improve Labour’s poll ratings.
    Make a list of all the soundbites that Labour MPs have got into TV news recently.
    Get all the Labour MPs to read those sound bites, and a panel decides who is best, on the basis of apparent sincerity, proper phrasing, lack of weird pauses, no stumbling over words, no shifty eyes.
    Make that person the Labour leader.

    e.g. the sound bite “I’m sure my caucus colleages would be of the view that this legislation must not, will not and cannot stand.”

    • McFlock 49.1

      because all a leader needs is sound bites, not the confidence of a majority of their colleagues…

      • Saarbo 49.1.1

        Those colleagues being Goff, King, Mallard, Cosgrove, Jones….getting the picture…

      • Saarbo 49.1.2

        Those colleagues being Goff, King, Mallard, Cosgrove, Jones….getting the picture…

      • Colonial Viper 49.1.3

        Absolutely McFlock, the performance of a political party is commensurate with the level of support their caucus collegues give them. In this case, Labour leads by example.

  48. Golden Teapot 50

    This is nothing to worry about. On the day which is still a long time away you can be sure that people will vote based on fundamentals. Shearer is doing everything right and by keeping to the same game plan and by keeping consistent we’ll see him get the right result in the end.

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    The New Zealand Herald editorial today is distinctly unimpressed with the government’s decision to remove mandated tea breaks for workers: It is a pity that almost the first legislative act of the Government's new term is an act abolishing mandatory...
    Polity | 30-10
  • Forest Safety report first step in making our forests safe to work in
    Our forests are a very dangerous place to work. Between 2008 and 2013 there have been 32 fatalities and more than a thousand serious harm incidents in this industry. The Council of Trade Unions and First union have been doing...
    frogblog | 30-10
  • Ghost Dancing?
    Ghost Dancing circa 1890: With the buffalo effectively exterminated, the material basis for the Native American cultures of the Great Plains was destroyed. The Ghost Dance, it was believed, would reconstitute the basis for an independent indigenous existence. Has the...
    Bowalley Road | 30-10
  • I have seen one future, and it is bleak
    . . Way back in March, 2012,  I wrote this story regarding a march to support striking workers at Ports of Auckland. It appears there was some prescience about some of my observations at the time… . | | 18...
    Frankly Speaking | 30-10
  • WINZ: Bureaucratic Befuddlement and Confustication
    Yeah, I know. Confusticate isn’t a word, unless you’re quoting Urban Dictionary. Definition: This word is the coalescing of the English words “confuse” and “complicate”. It refers to anything of, or relating to the process of being both confused and...
    On the Left | 30-10
  • The idiot
    Here’s why this Steffan Browning/Ebola/Homeopathy thing is a really big deal for the Green Party. (a) Historically they’ve been stereotyped by their opponents as a bunch of nutters (b) The main focus of the party for the past five years –...
    DimPost | 30-10
  • The idiot
    Here’s why this Steffan Browning/Ebola/Homeopathy thing is a really big deal for the Green Party. (a) Historically they’ve been stereotyped by their opponents as a bunch of nutters (b) The main focus of the party for the past five years –...
    DimPost | 30-10
  • Climate change and New Zealand cities
    Environmentalists sometimes have an uneasy relationship with cities. Because they concentrate a lot of people and economic activity in relatively small places, they also concentrate a lot of negative environmental effects. All that concrete, all that energy being consumed, the...
    Transport Blog | 30-10
  • Got a mystery? Just ask John!
    Tuesday, November 24, 2009John Key has learned the identity of the entertainer guilty of an indecency charge through the grapevine of people circumventing the suppression order....
    Pundit | 30-10
  • Shameful attack on all workers
    The Government has passed the Employment Relations Amendment Act slashing the rights of all Kiwi workers. “These changes are shameful. New Zealand now has some of the worst employment protections in the OECD....
    CTU | 30-10
  • Blocked
    It is safe to say before the election last month I was fairly prolific in the blogosphere as we headed to an election. Was it because there was a glimmer of hope for we on this side of the coin?...
    My Thinks | 30-10
  • Blend with the Bruntletts Group Ride
    While Vancourerites Chris and Melissa Bruntlett are here for their Auckland Conversation talk, Generation Zero, Frocks on Bikes and TransportBlog have organised a slow, family friendly ride around the city centre. The map is below. The ride is designed to be self-directed so...
    Transport Blog | 30-10
  • Rawshark – Is she Maori or Pakeha?
    Cameron Slater blamed someone for being behind the hacking of his emails and passing them on to Nicky Hager. And then he named someone he thought was Rawshark. John Key says someone told him who Rawshark is but he ain’t telling. @B3nRaching3r is...
    Te Putatara | 30-10
  • Employment law: it’s toasted
    In an early episode of Mad Men, when the company’s going for the Lucky Strike account, sleazebag antihero Don Draper asks the client exactly how cigarettes are made. They talk through the process, mentioning the tobacco is toasted – and...
    On the Left | 30-10
  • Owners of the wind
    Thirty-odd years ago in the Kingdom of Denmark lived some brave people who disliked nuclear power and loved renewable energy. Determined to keep their country clean and safe, they began building their own wind turbines. Today, thanks to these passionate...
    Greenpeace NZ blog | 30-10
  • Te Wakaputanga – What we did not learn at school
    This week saw the 179th anniversary of the signing of Te Wakaputanga, the Declaration of Independence of the United Tribes of Niu Tireni. Most of us did not learn about this fundamentally critical document at school, we barely learned about...
    frogblog | 30-10
  • NZ goes backwards on gender equality
    It is no coincidence that in the same week New Zealand is singled out for going backwards on child poverty under National,  we’ve also dropped in global rankings for gender equality. In one year New Zealand has dropped from 7th...
    frogblog | 30-10
  • TPPA Bulletin #58
    NATIONAL DAY OF ACTION 8 NOVEMBER 2014 Auckland, Hamilton, Raglan, Tauranga, Rotorua, Gisborne, New Plymouth, Napier, Palmerston North, Levin,Wellington, Nelson, Christchurch, Timaru, Dunedin,Invercargill. REGIONAL UPDATES Auckland (1:00 pm at Aotea Square): speakers include Robyn Malcolm (Actors Equity), Bunny McDiarmid (Greenpeace), Dayle Takitimu...
    NZ – Not for sale | 30-10
  • Seabed mining: drums in the deep
    Out on the Chatham Rise, the ridge jutting into the waters off Christchurch and extending out beyond the Chathams, Chatham Rock Phosphate has a mining permit and is now seeking EPA approval for its project to mine phosphate for fertiliser,...
    Pundit | 30-10
  • CTU Runanga calls on iwi leaders
    Maori workers are calling on iwi leaders to speak out against the employment law changes expected to go through today.“Iwi leaders have previously spoken out when workers in Aotearoa have been under attack, we believe they should do so again...
    CTU | 30-10
  • An unmanaged conflict
    Katherine Rich is a member of the government-appointed Health Promotion Agency, responsible for (as it says on its website) "inspiring all New Zealanders to lead healthier lives". Katherine Rich is also Chief Executive of the New Zealand Food and Grocery...
    No Right Turn | 30-10
  • Robert Fisk
    Isis in Syria: A general reveals the lack of communication with the US - and his country's awkward relationship with their allies-by-default...
    No Right Turn | 30-10
  • A stretch
    This morning the Herald revealed that Kim Dotcom had been convicted and fined for dangerous driving in 2009, but had not declared it on his application for residency. Immigration is now talking about deporting him. So, this is what we...
    No Right Turn | 30-10
  • Tauranga port happy to take the money – but not happy to accept responsib...
    Comments from a Port of Tauranga manager about deaths and injuries in their port during a Radio New Zealand interview are unacceptable....
    MUNZ | 30-10
  • New Ebola Toys for Xmas. Yay?
    From the "too soon?" file, here are two oddly successful exercises in niche marketing. First, the molecularly-sort-of-correct ebola plush toy. Apparently it has sold out: And, of course, the sexy ebola nurse outfit: Ebola, as everyone knows, ignores cleavage. And...
    Polity | 30-10
  • Temporary, discriminatory and an admission of Faliure
    The PM says that the legislation his government proposes to pass under urgency allowing for the confiscation of passports of NZ citizens in order to combat the threat of returning foreign fighters will be “tightly focused” on those traveling to...
    Kiwipolitico | 30-10
  • Climate change harming ocean health
    New Zealand is responsible for one of the largest areas of sea in the world – an area 14 times the size of our land area. The National Government is promising new marine protected areas legislation with a discussion document...
    frogblog | 30-10
  • Experiment-gate update
    Readers may recall the saga around an experimental mailer some Stanford / Dartmouth researchers sent into the state of Montana. In a randomised trial, it provided voters with some added information about two candidates running for a judicial election, and...
    Polity | 30-10
  • Why are our Politicians Auckland Toll Chickens?
    Yesterday both the National Government and Green Party opposed the suggestion to place a toll on Auckland’s roads, but for completely different reasons. The Government opposes it because they see it as a new tax. The Greens because they would...
    Gareth’s World | 29-10
  • The obvious question
    John Key says he knows who the hacker Rawshark is. So, will the police be raiding his home for ten hours and taking all his data, or is that something they only do to enemies of the National Party?...
    No Right Turn | 29-10
  • Guest post: Living with a criminal conviction
    What happens when one moment of bad judgement changes everything anyone ever thinks about you? Mike Jones* used a weapon to defend his girlfriend from an aggressive man at a party seven years ago. He’s still paying for that choice....
    On the Left | 29-10
  • James Shaw speaks on the four Bills formerly known as the Accounting Infras...
    The assurance industry is a critical component of our economic framework. The idea that there is a trusted independent watchdog of the public interest underpins investor confidence and ensures financial probity on behalf of our country's leading institutions. New Zealand...
    Greens | 31-10
  • ANZ needs to look after its workers after another super profit
    The ANZ bank needs to acknowledge the super profits it makes are coming at the expense of its workers, the Green Party said today.Australia and New Zealand Banking Group Limited (ANZ) 2014 full year results show a lift in performance...
    Greens | 31-10
  • James Shaw’s maiden speech
    Tena Koe, Mr Speaker. I would like to take this opportunity to speak a little of the past, the present and the future. The privilege to serve in this Parliament was given to me by all those who gave their...
    Greens | 31-10
  • Feed the kids members bill
    Education is the best route out of poverty. But hungry kids can't learn and are left trapped in the poverty cycle. Let's break that cycle lunchbox by lunchbox. We can feed the country's hungry kids, if we work together.I have...
    Greens | 31-10
  • Feed the kids members bill
    Education is the best route out of poverty. But hungry kids can't learn and are left trapped in the poverty cycle. Let's break that cycle lunchbox by lunchbox. We can feed the country's hungry kids, if we work together.I have...
    Greens | 31-10
  • National’s “Auckland housing boom” a fizzer
    Falling Auckland consent numbers show the Government’s housing policy is going backwards contrary to wild claims by Building and Housing Minister Nick Smith that we are on the cusp of a massive construction boom, says Labour’s Housing spokesperson Phil Twyford. ...
    Labour | 31-10
  • Job losses major blow to Bay community
    Job losses at Wattie’s Hastings plant will hit families and the community hard, Hawke’s Bay-based Labour MP Stuart Nash and MP for Ikaroa-Rawhiti Meka Whaitiri say. “I know a number of the Wattie’s staff and these job losses will be...
    Labour | 31-10
  • Local job losses major blow to Bay community
    Job losses at Wattie’s Hastings plant will hit families and the community hard, Hawke’s Bay-based Labour MP Stuart Nash and MP for Ikaroa-Rawhiti Meka Whaitiri say. “I know a number of the Wattie’s staff and these job losses will be...
    Labour | 31-10
  • Zero tolerance for forestry accidents a must
    The Government must adopt a zero tolerance approach to workplace accidents in the forestry sector to stop people being killed, Labour’s Forestry spokesperson Chris Hipkins says. “It is time for the Government and the forestry sector to put an end...
    Labour | 30-10
  • Return to less holidays on the cards?
    John Key needs to lay his cards on the table regarding the Government’s intentions around holiday pay and annual leave entitlements, Labour’s Acting Deputy Leader Annette King says. “A day after National pushed through laws that take away the legal...
    Labour | 30-10
  • Forest Safety report first step in making our forests safe to work in
    Our forests are a very dangerous place to work. Between 2008 and 2013 there have been 32 fatalities and more than a thousand serious harm incidents in this industry. The Council of Trade Unions and First union have been doing...
    Greens | 30-10
  • Catherine Delahunty Speaks on the Employment Relations Amendment Bill
    Kia ora, Mr Assistant Speaker. He mihi nui ki te Whare Paremata. Welcome to the glorious 19th century, dressed up in the not-so-new flexibility-speak. At the final moment of this bill, let us drop the charade. The Government has a...
    Greens | 30-10
  • Ruataniwha Feds refuse to present a balanced view
    A bid to sell the Ruataniwha water project to Hawkes Bay farmers has turned in to an incredibly one sided affair, says Labours spokesperson on Water Meka Whaitiri.  “It’s being promoted as ‘Ruataniwha it’s now or never’ and it promises...
    Labour | 30-10
  • Worker’s rights dealt severe blow with Bill’s passing
    The passing of the Employment Relations Amendment Bill is another blow to workers' rights in New Zealand, the Green Party said today.This afternoon, National's Employment Relations Amendment Bill passed with the support of Act and United Future."This bill will force...
    Greens | 30-10
  • Barriers to reporting sex crimes must go
    Both the Government and police need to take action to ensure that, in future, sexual abuse victims know they will be taken seriously, Labour’s Associate Police spokesperson Kelvin Davis says. “The young women involved in the Roast Busters case, and...
    Labour | 30-10
  • Te Wakaputanga – What we did not learn at school
    This week saw the 179th anniversary of the signing of Te Wakaputanga, the Declaration of Independence of the United Tribes of Niu Tireni. Most of us did not learn about this fundamentally critical document at school, we barely learned about...
    Greens | 30-10
  • NZ goes backwards on gender equality
    It is no coincidence that in the same week New Zealand is singled out for going backwards on child poverty under National,  we’ve also dropped in global rankings for gender equality. In one year New Zealand has dropped from 7th...
    Greens | 30-10
  • Kevin Hague questions the Minister of Health on management of Katherine Ric...
    Is he satisfied that all conflicts of interest that arose by the head of Food and Grocery Council Katherine Rich being a member of the Health Promotion Agency were managed in accordance with the provisions of the Crown Entities Act...
    Greens | 30-10
  • Bennett parks numbers on social housing
    Social Housing Minister Paula Bennett admitted today that well over 1000 families have been subsidised through the accommodation supplement to stay in the Ranui campground, somewhere she has previously described as not the right place for children to be growing...
    Labour | 30-10
  • 50,000 sign petition against anti-worker law
    More than 50,000 Kiwis have signed Labour’s petition against the Government’s scrapping of tea break entitlements, Labour’s Acting Deputy Leader Annette King says. “That’s the equivalent of five people signing our petition every minute for a week. It shows the...
    Labour | 30-10
  • Address in Reply Debate – Dr Kennedy Graham on UN Security Council- 2...
    In the Speech from the Throne last week the Prime Minister identified the usual domestic goals for his Government. I counted 17. They are not my subject today. I wish instead to focus on matters beyond our shores. In the...
    Greens | 30-10
  • Climate change harming ocean health
    New Zealand is responsible for one of the largest areas of sea in the world – an area 14 times the size of our land area. The National Government is promising new marine protected areas legislation with a discussion document...
    Greens | 30-10
  • Key misled public over Jason Ede
    Information contained in a new chapter of the book Key: Portrait of a Prime Minister, that Jason Ede stopped working for the National Party on the night the book Dirty Politics was released, shows Mr Key and senior ministers hid...
    Greens | 29-10
  • Greenpeace report highlights better path for NZ agriculture
    A Greenpeace International report highlights a better way forward for New Zealand agriculture than the GE and chemical mutation technologies supported by Federated Farmers, and the National Government through its research funding packages, the Green Party said today. "This report...
    Greens | 29-10
  • BNZ post record profits while leaving savers vulnerable
    A small part of the $850 million record profit posted by the Bank of New Zealand (BNZ) today needs to be set aside to protect savers' deposits in the future, said Green Party Co-leader Dr Russel Norman today.Dr Norman was...
    Greens | 29-10
  • RBNZ U-turn shows monetary settings were wrong
    The Reserve Bank's U-turn on interest rates today shows monetary policy settings were wrong and New Zealanders have suffered unnecessarily through the loss of jobs and having to pay higher interest rates, the Green Party said today.Reserve Bank Governor Graeme...
    Greens | 29-10
  • Ports must take responsibility for shameful death toll
    Port companies must step up and take responsibility for a shameful toll of seven deaths and 133 serious accidents in the past three years, Labour MP Iain Lees-Galloway says. The frightening figures – released by the Rail, Maritime and Transport...
    Labour | 29-10
  • Please help me get my Feed the Kids Bill to Select Committee
    Last week I took over the Feed the Kids Bill that Hone Harawira had introduced to Parliament. If passed, my Bill will provide government-funded breakfast and lunch in all decile 1 and 2 schools. Hungry kids can’t learn and are...
    Greens | 29-10
  • TVNZ Outsourcing Pasifika and Maori Programmes
    I’ve always been a big fan of our state broadcaster and I’ve particularly liked their range of current events programmes. But after Friday’s announcement that TVNZ will be sacking up to 40 staff by contracting out the Pacific and Maori...
    Greens | 29-10
  • Labour urges iwi leaders to meet with National
    Labour’s Māori Caucus has called on iwi leaders and national Māori organisations to seek urgent meetings with the National Government to directly express their concerns about employment law changes which will harm Māori workers. In an open letter sent today...
    Labour | 29-10
  • ACC’s reputation needs fix, not glitz
    Restoring public trust and confidence in ACC will take a lot more than a new communications strategy or social media blitz, says Labour’s ACC spokesperson Iain Lees-Galloway. “Under National, ACC has come to be perceived as insensitive, difficult to deal...
    Labour | 29-10
  • Lessons to be learned from police investigation
    The outcome of the so-called Roast Busters case should not put victims off reporting sexual crimes, Labour’s Acting Deputy Leader Annette King says. “This case has been mishandled from the start. Within days of police initially saying no charges had...
    Labour | 29-10
  • Anti-worker legislation is anti-Pacifica
    The Minister for Pacific Peoples, Peseta Sam Lotu-Iiga, will go down in history as being part of a Government that harmed his own people through anti-worker legislation, says Labour’s Pacific Island Affairs spokesperson Su’a William Sio.  “Pacific people are among...
    Labour | 29-10
  • Five-year tax holiday for overseas tax dodgers
    National has just gifted a five-year tax holiday for foreign companies dodging their tax payments, says Revenue spokesperson David Clark. “Todd McClay has pretended he is doing something about overseas companies dodging their tax duties by joining an international initiative...
    Labour | 29-10
  • Traffic Jam Tax must be given the red light
    Auckland Council’s proposed Traffic Jam Tax could cost some households thousands of dollars a year just to use roads they had already paid for with their taxes and must be rejected, says Labour’s transport and Auckland Issues spokesperson Phil Twyford....
    Labour | 29-10
  • National has chance to show leadership on limos
    The National Party has the opportunity to show leadership by transitioning our vehicle fleet towards renewable electricity when a new contract to supply Government limousines for VIPs goes to tender next month, the Green Party said today. "This is a...
    Greens | 29-10
  • The Māori Party can’t have it both ways over labour laws
    The Māori Party has to fess up over its voting record on the Employment Relations Amendment Bill, says Labour’s Māori Caucus.  “It’s simply not good enough to oppose the bill at the same time  as they helped speed up its progress through...
    Labour | 29-10
  • Equal pay and the aged care sector
    Today the High Court upheld the historic ruling by the Employment Court that our Equal Pay Act could be used to consider work of equal value cases; the government has been telling the UN and ILO that it could for...
    Greens | 29-10
  • Court case perfect opportunity for Government to improve gender pay gap
    If the Government wants to halt New Zealand’s slump in international rankings on the gender pay gap it should act on the court finding that women deserve equal wages, Labour’s Women’s Affairs spokesperson Sue Moroney says. “The World Economic Forum’s...
    Labour | 28-10
  • All Auckland transport options should be considered
    All options for meeting Auckland's transport needs should be considered, including reprioritising the transport budget away from wasteful spending on motorways, the Green Party said today.Auckland mayor Len Brown is today releasing a transport report by the Independent Advisory Board,...
    Greens | 28-10
  • Another report highlights Govt failure on child poverty
    An international report measuring the impact of the Global Financial Crisis (GFC) on child poverty rates, showing children in New Zealand have done worse than children in other countries, is further proof the Government needs to urgently take additional steps...
    Greens | 28-10
  • Address and Reply Debate Part 55: Inequality and Disability
    I rise on behalf of the Green Party to talk about inequality and disability.The recent census showed that nearly one in four New Zealanders lives with a disability—up from one in five in the previous census. These figures include some...
    Greens | 28-10
  • Address and Reply Debate Part 55: Inequality and Disability
    I rise on behalf of the Green Party to talk about inequality and disability.The recent census showed that nearly one in four New Zealanders lives with a disability—up from one in five in the previous census. These figures include some...
    Greens | 28-10
  • Child poverty: No more wake-up calls
    A new report which shows the National Government has made no inroads whatsoever into child poverty should do more than just set alarm bells ringing, Labour’s Acting Deputy Leader Annette King says. “UNICEF’s  latest Innocenti Report Card highlights the fact...
    Labour | 28-10
  • Eugenie Sage speaks in the 2014 Address in Reply Debate
    I congratulate you, Assistant Speaker Mallard, as Assistant Speaker and look forward to your knowledge, your fairness, and your light touch in being a referee of proceedings in this House. I congratulate also the other Assistant Speaker, Lindsay Tisch; the...
    Greens | 28-10
  • James Shaw’s Maiden Speech
    Tena Koe, Mr Speaker. I would like to take this opportunity to speak a little of the past, the present and the future. The privilege to serve in this Parliament was given to me by all those who gave their...
    Greens | 28-10
  • Govt airs real views on public broadcasting
    An admission by the Government that it is happy to experiment with Pacific and Maori audiences shows just how weak its vision for public broadcasting in New Zealand is, Labour’s Broadcasting spokesperson Kris Faafoi says. “National today admitted it doesn’t...
    Labour | 28-10
  • Does Judith Collins have a get out of jail card?
    Former justice minister Judith Collins appears to have been gifted a get out of jail free card based on the Prime Minister’s answers in Parliament today, Labour’s Acting Deputy Leader Annette King says. “Judith Collins claimed in an Official Information...
    Labour | 28-10
  • Solid Energy decision delay sensible
    Today’s announcement by the Board of Solid Energy that it will delay making a final decision on re-entering the Pike River mine is a sensible move, Labour’s MP for  West Coast-Tasman Damien O’Connor says. “It has been clear for some...
    Labour | 28-10
  • New York Green Bank off to a $1B start
    New York Governor Andrew Cuomo announced late last week the New York Green Bank’s first NZD$1 billion tranche of green energy investments. The projects, which are difficult for the private sector to finance, are now possible by New York Green...
    Greens | 28-10
  • GUEST BLOG: Blockade the Budget
    The ‘Independent’ Police Conduct Authority’s report into the policing of student protests in 2012 is a whitewash The report released by the Independent Police Conduct Authority into the policing of student protests in 2012 is a whitewash riddled with inaccuracies....
    The Daily Blog | 30-10
  • When National claim new anti worker laws provide ‘flexibility’ they mea...
    And so it comes to pass. The first law National ram through as part of their victory march are new anti worker laws they pretend will generate ‘flexibility’. The new law denigrate the unions ability to protect workers and provide...
    The Daily Blog | 30-10
  • City Transport: A Taxing Matter
    This week the prospect of paying tolls on Auckland motorways became a hot topic. (See Mathew Dearnaley:Motorway tolling could hit some hard, NZ Herald, 30 Oct 2014.) As we might expect, the kneejerk response has been quite negative. But, as with...
    The Daily Blog | 30-10
  • Open Letter to Amy Adams: Please Reopen The Review Into Sexual Violence Cou...
    Ms Amy Adams, Justice and Courts Minister, Right now in this country it seems that although rape is illegal, it is not being prevented by the agents who uphold the law. It almost feels like rape is only illegal on paper,...
    The Daily Blog | 30-10
  • MEDIA WATCH: Does ‘No-Surprises’ Also Apply To TVNZ News?
    When you stand back and look at NZ media outlets, most of them have at least one or two people who attempt to hold the government to account: John Campbell on TV3, Guyon Espiner and others at Radio NZ, David...
    The Daily Blog | 30-10
  • Things That Make You Go Hmmmmmmm
    Every so often in politics, a public figure comes out with something so absurd and so outlandish … that it really does just make you go “Hmmmmmmmmmm”. We’re accustomed to this from certain quarters – by mid point through the...
    The Daily Blog | 30-10
  • Poverty & inequality don’t need protest marches – they need a riot:...
    The global level of inequality continues to skyrocket… Number of billionaires doubled since financial crisis The number of billionaires has doubled since the start of the financial crisis, according to a major new report from anti-poverty campaigners. According to Oxfam,...
    The Daily Blog | 30-10
  • If Key knows who Rawshark is…
    I’m sorry, what? John Key ‘given Rawshark’s name’The Prime Minister believes he knows who hacked Whale Oil blogger Cameron Slater’s computer and produced the source material for Nicky Hager’s Dirty Politics, according to a new edition of a recently published...
    The Daily Blog | 30-10
  • Child Poverty stats in NZ
    Child Poverty stats in NZ...
    The Daily Blog | 30-10
  • Crimes Act + Police Investigation = WTF
    Just to frame the farce that is the Roastbuster’s investigation and conclusion – here are the parts of the Crime Act http://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/public/1961/0043/latest/whole.html#DLM329057  the Roastbusters are proven to have violated – that the police (and some suspects!) themselves acknowledge occurred: Crimes...
    The Daily Blog | 29-10
  • Publishing Journalists’ Home Addresses Is A Tactic Of The Right, Not The ...
    I think I’m starting to get rather annoyed with the conduct of some pro-MANA people over this ongoing Parliamentary Services crew complement issue. Yes, we get that there are legitimate issues to be raised with how some political reporters in...
    The Daily Blog | 29-10
  • Aucklanders caught between a tarseal-addicted government and a weak mayor
    Len Brown’s proposal for motorway tolls to reduce congestion and provide funding for better public transport is a weak response to a critical issue. The $12 billion dollar shortfall on transport funding he talks about is mainly for projected new...
    The Daily Blog | 29-10
  • A Very Weird Story: Deconstructing Darren Aronofsky’s Noah.
    NOAH is a curious movie. Conceived as a biblical epic, it’s target audience was originally the millions of Americans who regard the Bible as God’s inerrant word. With the sin-filled works of Hollywood forbidden to these true-believers, Christian movie-makers have developed...
    The Daily Blog | 29-10
  • You Can Get Away With Rape In New Zealand
    Jessie Hume with last years petition against rape     The police have sent a strong message today.  In fact they’ve been sending a strong message for a while; a message that our government supports. “You can literally get away...
    The Daily Blog | 29-10
  • Roast Buster case – no charges. In the immortal words of NWA…
    Roast Busters case: No prosecutions Police are to make an announcement this afternoon on Operation Clover, the investigation into the “Roast Busters” allegations. The Herald understands the victim has been told that the alleged offenders will not be prosecuted due...
    The Daily Blog | 29-10
  • Key’s flag change distraction to cost $26million!
    No. Way. Bid to change NZ flag to cost millions The cost of holding two referendums and consulting on a change of flag has been estimated to be just under $26 million. Look. We all appreciate that the sleepy hobbits...
    The Daily Blog | 29-10
  • Why NZ Herald’s Labour Party crocodile tears are so audacious
    The front page the NZ Herald would use if they thought they could get away with it No one can take the recent columns by NZ Herald seriously… John Armstrong: Shadow lingers on National John Roughan: Labour’s leadership vote matters...
    The Daily Blog | 28-10
  • The beginning of the end of Cameron Slater?
    Slater postings on man bizarre, court told A businessman has changed his appearance and had to install extra security at his home after Whale Oil blogger Cameron Slater posted his business and personal documents online, he says. Mr Slater has...
    The Daily Blog | 28-10
  • We are a milk power republic and Fonterra our unelected senate
    Wow. Just wow… Deputy mayor says he’ll be sacked South Taranaki deputy mayor Alex Ballantyne says he expects to be sacked because he has spoken out about the impact gasses coming from dumped Fonterra dairy products have had on his...
    The Daily Blog | 28-10
  • MEDIA WATCH: “…But *actually* this is about ethics in political-game jo...
    Yesterday, a piece of mine on the recent revelations about Hone Harawira employing several gentlemen either accused or convicted of sex offences was published on The Daily Blog. Predictably, given the fierce loyalty which Hone inspires in his party faithful and...
    The Daily Blog | 28-10
  • Privilege cheque
    There was no race problem in my childhood. Living in central Wellington I was well-insulated from what was going on not so far away. This was the 60s and 70s, where the teachers enjoyed free love in the staff room...
    The Daily Blog | 28-10
  • A brief word on Key’s claim that it will be raining carnage
    Isis will ‘rain carnage on the world’ – John Key Left unchecked Isis would “rain carnage on the world”, Prime Minister John Key says, but he has yet to make a decision on whether New Zealand troops will join a...
    The Daily Blog | 28-10
  • Meanwhile…
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    The Daily Blog | 27-10
  • How does Andrew Little win Labour Leadership and unify the caucus?
    Audrey Young’s excellent column on how the Caucus vote  is shaping up shows how Andrew Little becomes the next leader of the Labour Party. She identifies the factions as the following… Andrew Little 6: Andrew Little, David Cunliffe, Iain Lees Galloway,...
    The Daily Blog | 27-10
  • GUEST BLOG: Joe Trinder – Right of response to Curwen
    You have asked that Hone Harawira deserves to explain what happened, how would he explain when his next door neighbour is an alleged sex offender. What explanation can Hone offer he wasn’t involved, Hone had no idea this offending was...
    The Daily Blog | 27-10
  • MEDIA WATCH: That Hella-Weird Feeling When You Defend Tova O’Brien
    Oh dear. Yesterday morning I blogged that Hone deserved a chance to explain what exactly had happened as applies his office’s Parliamentary Services crew complement – and, importantly, that we deserve to be able to judge him on the strength of...
    The Daily Blog | 27-10
  • Canadian Green MP warns against harsh anti-terror measures
    Canada’s Green Party has provided a welcome counterpoint to Prime Minister Harper’s call for tougher anti-terrorism laws in the wake of a soldier outside the Canadian Parliament. On October 22, while she was still locked in her parliamentary office, Green...
    The Daily Blog | 27-10
  • When is an asset sale not an asset sale? When it robs from the poor and ste...
    National have turned state housing on its head. At no time during the 2014 election did the Key Government even hint that they were going to privatise 30% of the Housing NZ stock of state homes. Not once. Key even...
    The Daily Blog | 27-10
  • Housing; broken promises, families in cars, and ideological idiocy (Part To...
    . . Continued from: Housing; broken promises, families in cars, and ideological idiocy (Part Rua) . Bill English comes clean on National’s intentions for HNZ privatisation . On 14 October, in a report on The Daily Blog, I wrote, In...
    The Daily Blog | 27-10
  • The Questions Have Been Asked – They Deserve An Answer
    A few days ago, allegations that had been percolating for some time about Hone Harawira employing three either accused or convicted sex offenders on his Parliamentary pay-roll came to light. (one imprisoned before working for MANA; one who found himself convicted and...
    The Daily Blog | 26-10
  • I have seen one future, and it is bleak
    . . Back in  March 2012, I wrote this story regarding a march to support striking workers at Ports of Auckland. It appears there was some prescience about some of my observations at the time… . | | 18 March...
    The Daily Blog | 26-10
  • US air strike war Key wants us in has killed a civilian a day so far
      The US air strike war that John Key wants us to join has killed a civilian a day so far. From the Washington Post... The United States launched its first airstrikes on militants in Syria on Sept. 23, and has continued...
    The Daily Blog | 26-10
  • The instant Jihad syndrome
    My favourite new term is ‘self-radicalised’ – it suggests the reasons for terrorism are totally divorced from the actions of the West. This need to suddenly ramp up terror laws because of lone wolf, self-radicalised Jihadists seems convenient and counter-productive....
    The Daily Blog | 25-10
  • We have nothing to fear from Ebola but fear itself
    I suspect most Americans perceive Ebola like this   I can’t work out if the fear being spread within the media about Ebola is deliberate or just ignorance. Yes Ebola is a terrible plague that kills a large percentage of...
    The Daily Blog | 25-10
  • GUEST BLOG: Anjum Rahman – “Meritocracy? I wish.”
    I’d like to start by linking to a post I had published at another site in support of Nanaia Mahuta for the Labour Party leadership election.  She has a reasonable chance, given that she already has the endorsement of Te...
    The Daily Blog | 25-10
  • Chocolate milk shortage and creepy Santa? Let’s talk about real news
    Child poverty is still a scarily serious problem in this country and house prices are soaring through the roof to the point where it is simply impossible for the average New Zealander to buy a home. There is also little...
    The Daily Blog | 25-10
  • It’s time to celebrate Kiwi schools and teachers
    Some would have you believe that New Zealand’s schools are in a state of collapse, that your children are not being educated well and that things are going to hell in a hand basket.  That there is no innovation, no...
    The Daily Blog | 25-10
  • Ideological Blitzkrieg – Privatization of state housing, more charter sch...
    Pundits in pundit land will tell you that this Government is boring, that Key is the great pragmatist and that it is his ability to create elegant solutions that keeps him the firm favourite in many Kiwi eyes. This ability...
    The Daily Blog | 24-10
  • Hegemony rules but resistance is fertile
    The Prime Minister is a puppet. Not just our current Prime Minister, but given the forces of multinational globalisation, the role of any head of state, is less as independent actor, and more as a puppet of international trends and...
    The Daily Blog | 24-10
  • An open Letter to Sir Bob Jones: demanding a ‘liveable wage’ is not “...
    How out of touch with reality is Sir Bob Jones? You know, that white dude who invested in privatised SOEs after the selling off of our assets in the eighties and made a ludicrous and disgusting amount of money and is...
    The Daily Blog | 24-10
  • My insecurity about the Security Council
    As I write this (on 24 October) it is international UN Day. Of course, you all knew that already, right? Well, the day celebrates the entry into force of the UN Charter in 1945. With the ratification of this founding...
    The Daily Blog | 24-10
  • GUEST BLOG: Catherine Delahunty – Back in That House
    Parliament opened this week and I still find it a very odd place. Most of the people are reasonably courteous and friendly, but the rituals are archaic and the rules around issues like the swearing in oath are oppressive and...
    The Daily Blog | 23-10
  • Marae Investigates No More
    TVNZ yesterday announced the closure of their Māori and Pacific programmes department. That means they’ve chosen to stop making Fresh, Tagata Pasifika, Waka Huia and Marae Investigates to let independent producers get their hands on these lucrative contracts. This is...
    The Daily Blog | 23-10
  • BLOGWATCH: An Un-Civil War in Labour, eh?
    Earlier today, my attention was directed to an entry that’s just recently appeared on the Slightly Left of Centre blog. It purports to contain the ‘inside word’ from a highly placed NZF source – which is funny, because I’m pretty sure...
    The Daily Blog | 23-10
  • Santanomics 101
    Santanomics could mean a number of things. It could be the study and practice of giving. Or it could mean the study and practice of rampant end-of-year commercialism. However, for me today it is the economics of erectingAuckland’s giant Santa...
    The Daily Blog | 23-10
  • SkyCity boss misleads public over workers lost shifts
    SkyCity CEO Nigel Morrison has defended the employment practices at his company in an “Opinion” piece entitled “Human Capital key to corporate success” in the NZ Herald on Thursday. A number of his claims are misleading, contain only partial truths...
    The Daily Blog | 23-10
  • Review: Perfect Place
    I went to a Perfect Place on Tuesday night, and what a delight it was. The marshmallows sweetly (and forcefully) handed out pre-show, set the tone for the next hour. Walking up the stairs at The Basement was a complete...
    The Daily Blog | 23-10
  • 5AA Australia – NZ on UN Security Council + Dirty Politics Lingers On
    5AA Australia: Selwyn Manning and Peter Godfrey deliver their weekly bulletin Across The Ditch. General round up of over night talkback issues: Thongs, Jandals and flip-flops… ISSUE 1: New Zealand has been successful in its campaign to become a non...
    The Daily Blog | 22-10
  • When I mean me, I mean my office & when I call whaleoil I mean not as m...
    This. Is. Ludicrous. Green Party co-leader Russel Norman put the first of what are likely to be many questions about Mr Key’s relationship with Slater, asking him how many times he had phoned or texted the blogger since 2008. “None...
    The Daily Blog | 22-10
  • A brief word on describing the Government as ‘boring and bland’
    The narrative being sown is that this Government will be a boring and bland third term. Boring and bland. Since the election, Key has announced he is privatising 30% of state houses without reinvesting any of that money back into housing society’s most...
    The Daily Blog | 22-10
  • Roast Busters: Turn Indignation into Action
    People raged about the Roast Buster case. The indignation was justified – it was horrible. “Where were their parents!?” Fair question. I am sure the Roast Busters’ parents and the victims’ parents all wish they had been more proactive in...
    Scoop politics | 31-10
  • Stats NZ only have themselves to blame for postponement
    The Public Service Association (PSA) says Statistics NZ only have themselves to blame for the indefinite postponement of the release of the Food Price Index: November 2014....
    Scoop politics | 31-10
  • NZ Diversity Survey – benchmarking workplace diversity
    AUT University’s New Zealand Work Research Institute (NZWRI) has released a report on diversity in New Zealand workplaces....
    Scoop politics | 31-10
  • Māori Language (Te Reo Māori) Bill
    Tutehounuku Korako, Chair of the Māori Affairs Committee, is inviting further public submissions on this bill. The closing date for submissions is Friday, 5 December 2014....
    Scoop politics | 31-10
  • ERA amendments a mixed bag
    The Employment Relations Amendment Act has the potential to put vulnerable workers in a more precarious position, says Equal Opportunities Commissioner, Dr Jackie Blue. However, the commissioner says the right for all to request flexible work hours is...
    Scoop politics | 31-10
  • Sensible Sentencing calls for appeal of judicial activivism
    The Sensible Sentencing Trust is appalled that Justice Jill Mallon has today refused to apply the Life without Parole (LWOP) provisions of the Three Strikes law as enacted by Parliament....
    Scoop politics | 31-10
  • Global Rally against ISIS – for Kobanê – for Humanity, Nov 1
    The New Zealand Kurdish Community will march in solidarity with Kurdistan as part of the “GLOBAL RALLY AGAINST ISIS – FOR KOBANÊ – FOR HUMANITY” on 1 November 2014, 2pm....
    Scoop politics | 31-10
  • Does ‘No-Surprises’ Also Apply To TVNZ News?
    When you stand back and look at NZ media outlets, most of them have at least one or two people who attempt to hold the government to account: John Campbell on TV3, Guyon Espiner and others at Radio NZ, David...
    Scoop politics | 31-10
  • Safer roads are better for everyone
    Recent pedestrian versus vehicle incidents highlight the real issues being addressed by delegates as the 2Walk and Cycle conference concludes....
    Scoop politics | 31-10
  • Law change creates more flexible labour market
    The Employment Relations Amendment Act, passed yesterday, will bring new flexibility to the labour market and will reduce the ability of unions to organise and to recruit....
    Scoop politics | 30-10
  • Bumper ANZ profits mean no excuse for insecure hours
    A big rise in profits at New Zealand's largest bank needs to be reflected in a better pay offer and more security around hours of work, the bank workers’ union said today....
    Scoop politics | 30-10
  • Count down to lowered alcohol limit
    With just a month to go until a new lower alcohol limit for adult drivers comes into effect, Police and road safety agencies are reminding drivers of the impending change....
    Scoop politics | 30-10
  • WorkSafe Supports Forestry Review Findings
    WorkSafe NZ says the Independent Forestry Safety Review has clearly identified the problems facing an industry in which ten workers were killed last year. “The Review’s analysis matches our own view and leaves no doubt about the need for comprehensive,...
    Scoop politics | 30-10
  • CTU welcomes forestry review recommendations
    The CTU is welcoming the today's release of the independent forestry safety review panel findings. "These recommendations must be implemented to ensure that everything possible is done to make forestry safer." CTU President, Helen Kelly said....
    Scoop politics | 30-10
  • Activists will confront animal abusers
    Today animal rights activists will confront a group of wealth advisers who want to build the biggest egg factory-farm in New Zealand....
    Scoop politics | 30-10
  • Turia: Women’s Refuge Conference 2014
    This is a milestone moment in my life. This will be my last official address as Co-leader of the Maori Party. On Saturday night at our Hui-a-Tau, I will be standing down from that role and enabling a new co-leader,...
    Scoop politics | 30-10
  • Rodeo Code of Welfare ‘Sick Joke’
    Animal advocacy organisation SAFE says the revised Code of Welfare for Rodeos just released is nothing but a sick joke. “Rodeo animals are goaded, tormented and forced to endure needless suffering and gross mistreatment, all for the sake of so-called...
    Scoop politics | 30-10
  • Conservative Party applauds binding referenda on flag
    The Conservative Party are congratulating the Government on the decision to hold two binding referendums to decide the fate of New Zealand’s flag – and believes it will pave the way for binding referenda to form part of New Zealand...
    Scoop politics | 30-10
  • Walk the Talk – Opposing violence against women
    Soroptimist International of Auckland have organised a walk on 22 November from Silo Park at the Wynyard Quarter through the Viaduct and back to Silo Park, to show their opposition to violence against women. This event hopes to raise awareness...
    Scoop politics | 30-10
  • Recommendations on the Design of Pecuniary Penalties
    The Law Commission has reviewed the use of pecuniary penalties as a regulatory tool. Pecuniary penalties are financial penalties that policymakers are increasingly opting to use in place of criminal sanctions in order to punish and deter misconduct in...
    Scoop politics | 30-10
  • Every worker will be affected by employment law changes
    Every worker will feel the effects of the government’s new employment laws and should join a union if they want to maintain and increase their wages and conditions, says New Zealand’s largest private sector union, the EPMU....
    Scoop politics | 30-10
  • Shameful attack on all workers
    The Government has passed the Employment Relations Amendment Act slashing the rights of all Kiwi workers. “These changes are shameful. New Zealand now has some of the worst employment protections in the OECD. It is embarrassing that a country which...
    Scoop politics | 30-10
  • Unnecessary law changes more to do with ideology
    The government’s employment law changes are simply ideological and are at odds with its approach in the related areas of health and safety and immigration law, FIRST Union said tonight....
    Scoop politics | 30-10
  • CTU Runanga calls on iwi leaders
    Maori workers are calling on iwi leaders to speak out against the employment law changes expected to go through today. “Iwi leaders have previously spoken out when workers in Aotearoa have been under attack, we believe they should do so...
    Scoop politics | 30-10
  • Educating children not the best solution to alcohol harm
    Alcohol Healthwatch says we need to look beyond educating children and young people to address deeply embedded attitudes and behaviours concerning alcohol....
    Scoop politics | 30-10
  • New code of welfare for rodeos released
    New standards to strengthen the animal welfare requirements for rodeos have been issued today by the Minister for Primary Industries, Nathan Guy....
    Scoop politics | 30-10
  • IPCA report riddle with inaccuracies, say students
    A report by the Independent Police Conduct Authority into the policing of student protests in 2012 is riddled with inaccuracies, say students who laid the original complaint with the IPCA....
    Scoop politics | 30-10
  • CT v The Queen – indecency convictions quashed
    This summary is provided to assist in the understanding of the Court’s judgment. It does not comprise part of the reasons for that judgment. The full judgment with reasons is the only authoritative document. The full text of the judgment...
    Scoop politics | 30-10
  • Rameka v The Queen – murder convictions quashed
    This summary is provided to assist in the understanding of the Court’s judgment. It does not comprise part of the reasons for that judgment. The full judgment with reasons is the only authoritative document. The full text of the judgment...
    Scoop politics | 30-10
  • Auckland Council Out of Control
    Responding to the NZ Herald article that some Auckland households will face a rates rise of up to 9.6 per cent next year, Taxpayers’ Union Executive Director Jordan Williams says: “Len Brown’s pledge to cap rates rises at 2.5 per...
    Scoop politics | 30-10
  • Stats NZ staff escalate action with ‘no more meetings’ rule
    Statistics NZ staff have voted to escalate their ongoing industrial action in an effort to get Stats NZ back to the bargaining table with a reasonable offer. The staff, who are members of the Public Service Association (PSA), have been...
    Scoop politics | 29-10
  • Rape Crisis calls for changes to criminal justice system
    Wellington Rape Crisis has added its voice to the public outcry following the announcement that there will be no charges in the teen rape gang case. Butterworth says the decision not to lay charges will not have been a surprise...
    Scoop politics | 29-10
  • Police action justified in Blockade the Budget demonstration
    Police actions in dealing with a demonstration in Central Auckland known as Blockade the Budget on 1 June 2012 were justified and appropriate, an Independent Police Conduct Authority report released today found....
    Scoop politics | 29-10
  • NZDF Joins with Australia to Commemorate WWI Centenary
    A contingent of New Zealand Defence Force (NZDF) personnel will join their Australian counterparts at Australia’s first major commemoration of the First World War centenary in Albany, Western Australia this weekend....
    Scoop politics | 29-10
  • Reserve Bank should reduce interest rate
    “The Reserve Bank should be reducing its policy interest rate, the OCR”, says CTU Economist Bill Rosenberg in response to the Bank’s announcement today that it is not increasing it....
    Scoop politics | 29-10
  • 2015 Stout Fellow will write about Māori & Criminal Justice
    Kim Workman, founder and advocate for the Robson Hanan Trust, which administers the Rethinking Crime and Punishment and Justspeak initiatives, has been awarded the 2015 John David Stout Fellowship at Victoria University....
    Scoop politics | 29-10
  • What John Key thought about ‘dirty politics’
    On September 20, John Key swept to victory to become one of New Zealand’s most successful and popular Prime Ministers. Rocked by scandal, the 2014 election campaign was one of the most brutal – and riveting – in recent history....
    Scoop politics | 29-10
  • Trade Deal Threatens Farmers and Food Businesses
    The secret Trans Pacific Partnership negotiations are a direct threat to food businesses and farmers, and a moratorium on the release of GE crops must be enshrined in law before the TPP is signed....
    Scoop politics | 29-10
  • CTU announces election of new Secretary
    The contested election for the position of CTU Secretary has been won by Sam Huggard. Sam officially takes office on Monday 1 December 2014. Sam has worked in the union movement and brings a wealth of experience and a commitment...
    Scoop politics | 29-10
  • Kim Workman awarded 2015 J.D. Stout Fellowship
    The Victoria University of Wellington 2015 J.D. Stout Fellowship, funded by the Stout Trust, has been awarded to justice reform advocate Kim Workman. Mr Workman (Ngati Kahungungu ki Wairarapa, Rangitaane) is well known for his work on criminal justice,...
    Scoop politics | 29-10
  • TPPA causing concern
    Concern over the secretive Trans-Pacific Partnership Agreement (TPPA) negotiations is being expressed in two public meetings over the next week; one at a presentation on 5th November by former councillor Robin Gwynn to the Napier City Council, the...
    Scoop politics | 29-10
  • Kiwis rally to demand justice for ‘Roast Buster’ survivors
    Over 1,500 kiwis have rallied to demand justice after the announcement of the NZ Police decision not to lay charges in the ‘Roast Busters’ saga....
    Scoop politics | 29-10
  • New employment law will hurt the most vulnerable NZers
    The Public Service Association (PSA) says changes to the Employment Relations Act, expected to be passed in Parliament tonight, will hurt vulnerable workers and their families more than anyone....
    Scoop politics | 29-10
  • Consultation to close on proposed place names
    The New Zealand Geographic Board (NZGB) Ngā Pou Taunaha o Aotearoa today advised that only one month remains before public consultation closes for 18 name proposals for geographic features and places around Te Ika ā Māui (the North Island)....
    Scoop politics | 29-10
  • Operation Clover – Statement from Police Commissioner
    I have taken a close interest in this investigation and I am confident police have conducted a thorough and professional enquiry in what has been a challenging and complex case. The Operation Clover team has ensured that victims have been...
    Scoop politics | 29-10
  • Better policy would have protected children from recession
    Child Poverty Action Group says an international report released by UNICEF today shows good policy can protect and improve child well-being, even during a recession....
    Scoop politics | 29-10
  • Outcome of Operation Clover investigation
    Police have completed a multi-agency investigation, Operation Clover, into the activities of a group calling themselves “The Roast Busters”. The 12 month enquiry focused on incidents involving allegations of sexual offending against a number of girls...
    Scoop politics | 29-10
  • False birth registration brings home detention
    A Whangarei woman who attempted to register the birth of a fictitious child to claim a sole parent benefit was sentenced to six months home detention in the Whangarei District Court today....
    Scoop politics | 29-10
  • Family of Robert Ellis demand a proper investigation
    The family of a New Zealander killed in Indonesia are growing increasingly concerned at the lack of information they’ve received, and the handling of the investigation into his murder....
    Scoop politics | 29-10
  • Minister of Health must account for aged care workers’ pay
    The New Zealand Federation of Business and Professional Women (BPW NZ) congratulates rest-home worker Kristine Bartlett on her landmark claim for equal pay from her employer and successfully pursuing this to the Court of Appeal....
    Scoop politics | 29-10
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