The rhythms of life

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1. karol 1

   22 October 2012 at 11:18 am

   <i>Of course the difference between taxes and benefits is that in the tax situation a person earns money</i>
    
   Are you sure that is always the case?  Some people are paid well more than is warranted from the effort they put in and/or the contributions these efforts make (or don’t) to the good of society.

   [karol: It’s possible that I could’ve written this comment – but I didn’t. To avoid confusion, could you please choose a different handle/name to comment under. I do tend to agree with the comment]
   • Bill 1.1

     28 October 2012 at 12:27 pm

     Hmm. Pay determined by time spent on the task and factoring in social good and the relative desirability of the task being undertaken. Now there would be a thing. I’m up for that, I am. Want some extra money? Then put more of your time into some socially necessary but undesirable job. Don’t want to be locked into that task for ‘ever and the day’? Fine. Lets have multi-faceted job situations. So the surgeon also does ward rounds and toilet cleaning. And the (former) toilet cleaner can, if they posses the potential, train in and eventually practice surgery.

     Better still to have workplaces/communities as the economic unit rather than the individual and then we avoid any potentially fraught negotiations surrounding the relative monetary worth of childcare or home keeping etc in comparison to those tasks that we currently view as ‘jobs’.

     And so now the surgeon performs surgery, toilet cleaning etc as well as engaging in childcare or homekeeping, gardeining and so on. A ‘work/lifestyle’ balance that is roughly in keeping with everyone elses and that would blurr the division between work and leisure and create a seemless flow between the two.

     No compulsion beyond immediate peer pressure to participate in your society (your workplace/community) to a degree and in a fashion that your peers find acceptable. And if you don’t like it, you can always uproot to a new or different workplace/community – society. Thousands to choose from. And all working along broadly similar and democratically empowering lines…
     • OneTrack 1.1.1

       28 October 2012 at 6:12 pm

       And the toilet cleaner can do ward rounds and brain surgery.
       • fatty 1.1.1.1

         28 October 2012 at 6:19 pm

         …weird how some people can write, but they can’t read
       • kiwicommie 1.1.1.2

         29 October 2012 at 12:07 am

         In a New Zealand with Free Education perhaps, but under the current government you are lucky to get a job on a BA; the loan system no longer funds post grad so there are going to be a lot of unemployed university students with big student loan debts.
2. Dr Terry 2

   28 October 2012 at 9:26 am

   As usual, I much endorse comments from Cunliffe. He speaks of the government selling out the children, as well he might. Somebody (forget who) has spoken of New Zealanders hating its children. Maybe that goes too far, but there is a point to be made. Having lived many years in America, my wife and I noticed that children there are treated by adults with much greater respect (and don’t worry, I am as big a critic of American policies as are many).

   Cunliffe also speaks with absolute truth with regard to Climate Change as a “scientifically verified fact”. I regard him as Labour’s main remaining hope, if he can cope with working alongside so many a drongo.
   • fatty 2.1

     28 October 2012 at 12:16 pm

     “Somebody (forget who) has spoken of New Zealanders hating its children”

     Bronwyn Hayward, a political scientist, has spoken about how we do well with keeping elderly out of poverty, but not so great with children. Its a 30min presentation about her new book – ‘Children, Citizenship and Environment: Nurturing a democratic imagination in a changing world.’
   • karol 2.2

     28 October 2012 at 6:17 pm

     Yes, I agree on Cunliffe’s value.  But he is still into the “growth” philosophy, and supports the ETS.  Maybe that’s because he is following the Labour party line…. or not?
      
     I agree totally with what he says is the problem with climate change.  But Labour’s solution falls short. 
      

     Labour wants the Bill withdrawn, of course. But, as National won’t do that, we’ve put forward amendments, including:

     Ensuring the ETS is an all-sectors all-gasses scheme, so everyone plays an equal part in the solution.
     Bringing agriculture into the ETS in 2015, as scheduled, so a huge advantage isn’t given to the minority of dirty farmers who’ve done nothing to prepare for this long-established deadline.
     Restricting international units to 50% so that New Zealand Units are preferred over international ones, thus protecting our forestry industry.
     Make the Environmental Protection Authority (EPA) publish annually the amount industries charge their customers for carbon.

      
     The should at least have stuck with a carbon tax and not been scared off by farmers with tractors.  And here the devil will be in the detail:
      

     When Labour comes to government we will put good science and innovation at the core of our environmental and economic policies. We will put in place policies that support a future that is clean, green and clever.
   • David H 2.3

     28 October 2012 at 9:41 pm

     I asked that very question of Hekia Parata and Paula Benett. on here.

     http://thestandard.org.nz/standards-slipping/#comment-524706

     It is just stunning that they have this, this, words fail in charge And Cunliffe is being buried by bullshit, they need to make Cunliffe leader now. Then you’ll see the brown stuff start to flow in copious amounts on the NACT side of the house.
3. Foreign Waka 3

   28 October 2012 at 10:16 am

   Whilst there are still various voices within the scientific community about climate change (not making judgement here) there is no doubt whatsoever about the consequences of “abandoning” a child after just 6-12 weeks. This is the generation that despite huge efforts from parents in many cases just have no ability or have great difficulties to develop empathy and sympathy towards their fellow men. This in turn creates an ever increasing brutalization of society that often is not realized until too late. Kind of slowly cooking a frog. There are consequences to the mental health, least of some very sensitive children whose aptitude tends to be towards the arts. Ooops, can’t have that, does not fit with the maximization of profit per head and capita.
   http://www.childwelfare.gov/pubs/issue_briefs/brain_development/effects.cfm
   http://www.childwelfare.gov/pubs/issue_briefs/brain_development/effects.cfm#neglect

   Of cause a government would need to take into consideration log term effects not just the next 3 years of populist decision making.
   • One Tāne Huna 3.1

     28 October 2012 at 2:53 pm

     “Various voices within the scientific community” – well, there’s the consensus – the Greenhouse Effect is real, caused by human actions and, unless mitigated, will do untold damage up to and including threatening the survival of our species (including the children). Then there are about a dozen mutually exclusive and different versions being pushed – it isn’t happening, it is happening but don’t worry, it is happening but it’s the sun, it is happening but since we don’t know everything about it therefore we know nothing at all, it’s a a secret weapon invented by the US military, ad nauseam. There’s also the dominant public narrative – it is happening but I’m at such a level of denial and I don’t want to give up my car.

     The myth that “The Arts” don’t maximise profit is surely put to bed by Peter Jackson.
     • Foreign Waka 3.1.1

       28 October 2012 at 8:29 pm

       As far as I can tell, the rate of children dying in NZ has not much to do with global warming. The number of reports would however support the brutalization of society due to desensitizing to the need of small children.
       I belief the article was primarily about PPL? Once more ignored and not surprised…..
4. Bill 4

   28 October 2012 at 12:02 pm

   Are you, or what you are doing, of any immediate worth to the market? Does the collapsing eco-sphere make any immediate contribution to the market? Coz it’s all about the market. And the days when a reasonable number of mp’s serving in parliament had run on an anti-market/anti-capitalist platform (the old school socialists) well, they’re long gone.

   So on the one hand – the hand that wields power – expect some sincerely insincere recognition of the importance of families, children and people in general. And then watch while those who do not make any obvious and immediate contribution to the market are marginalised and denigrated. And by the same hand, expect to see issues with our eco-sphere trivialised and marginalised while the market is elevated to levels of crucial importance.

   And on the other hand – ours; the hand that gave and gives power away to people who are almost exclusively focussed on market performance – expect a more or less impotent moral outrage perhaps. And what else? Eventual resignation cloaked in a sense of hopelessness? Or a recognition of the vast potential we have to exercise power leading to us taking back of all those powers we gave away and that we repeatedly give away? I don’t know.
5. Tim 5

   28 October 2012 at 12:58 pm

   Just as a matter of interest……what do you reckon John Key would make of this discussion so far?
6. Chalupa Batman 6

   28 October 2012 at 1:10 pm

   Yes because Labour never gave Katherine Rich a hard time about “abandoning her kids”
   • Dv 6.1

     28 October 2012 at 1:12 pm

     Rich abandoned her kids!!!
   • McFlock 6.2

     28 October 2012 at 5:52 pm

     lol

     After that entire post your response is “Labour did it too”. Which bit, with links pls.
7. kiwicommie 7

   28 October 2012 at 11:56 pm

   “…demonstrated a Planet Key-type disconnect when questioned about their claims…”
   Many New Zealand businesses are out of touch with reality, they claim they are struggling to find skilled workers. However, they pay below global market rates, demand twice as much work for less pay, pull out all the stops to cut costs; and leave workers unsatisfied and stressed. Then they wonder why so many skilled workers are leaving to Australia. Time the business leaders of this country took a trip to Europe, hopefully Scandinavia (where they feed their people).

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