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Why I will party vote for the Greens

Written By: - Date published: 2:24 pm, November 26th, 2012 - 169 comments
Categories: david cunliffe, david shearer, greens, labour - Tags:

Last week’s Labour conference was quite a revelation in the degree that spin can overcome reality. The degree that that the political media are willing to swallow up almost anything if it makes for a simpler and more dramatic story was rather frightening. There were  important political events happening in the constitutional remits, that had been long and impatiently awaited by most Labour party activists and the even bigger group in the Labour Ulterior.  So what did the media report?

Well it appears to have been some fantasy ‘coup’ concocted or grasped inside caucus to get rid of a internal political rival. If you read around the blogs from party members who were actually at the conference and the many I have talked to since, they are rather incredulous at the conference constitutional remits being reported as being part of some fabricated Cunliffe coup. Robert Winter’s sarcastic response is typical.

Exposed but undefeated!

Damn it, the story is out. We’ve tried to hide it, but the Hootens and Trevetts of this world have wormed out the truth by the application of superior journalistic forensic skills. David Cunliffe is a flesh-eating zomboid, a member of the advance guard of zomboid shock troops from the planet Smarm in the Supercilious galaxy. His cover as an intelligent, capable, sophisticated Labour leader was just not credible, and he was, in the end , easily exposed and destroyed. We acolytes are now unled and scattered, denied the feasting on flesh promised by Arch Zomboid Rictus (his real name), forced to subsist on the bland pap that is now Labour’s lot. But we will rise again, for the Zomboid truth cannot be vanquished, even by the last alliance of journalists, Right wing Labour and the Right.

And apparently this site was the centre of the pro-Cunliffe blog posts in the week before the conference. Huh? Damn and I never knew despite running the place.

Well I understand that many Labour MP’s don’t read blogs*. But the journalists pore over these sites all of the time as is pretty damn obvious when you read IP’s the way I do. But do these ‘journalists’ actually read the material they are commenting on. Because it appears to me that they do not.

For instance in the early part of last week, aside from the posts speaking for Shearer here and here, there were posts by Eddie, IrishBill, and myself saying the experiment with an inexperienced parliamentary leader had clearly failed. This wasn’t the result of a conspiracy. This was a result of politically aware individuals making up their own minds.   None of us even bothered to speculate in the posts who amongst the possible contenders would do a better job. At issue was a failed experiment by caucus rather than some kind of mythical ‘coup’.

QoT was actually the only author in the early part of last week who even speculated on who a possible replacement leader could be. And I’m not even sure that  she is even a NZLP member. They were just observations from the outside. I’m pretty sure from past conversations with Eddie and Irish that both will have as clear an idea about Cunliffe’s weaknesses and strengths as I do.

As Tapu Misa points out today

Besides, as far as I can tell, the smearing and whispering campaigns (so vague as to be impossible to defend) have all been targeted at that other David.

I can’t speak for anyone else. I’m not in the beltway, where politics is lived and breathed. I don’t schmooze with party activists or politicians. So if there was a coup attempt, I missed it. It was an invitation to the Labour conference that prompted my reflection on the party’s strengths and weaknesses. My view – that Shearer’s leadership was a weak link – was hardly remarkable.

No independent observer of Shearer’s media performances could have failed to notice his potentially fatal deficiencies.

And for myself, that was exactly the same trigger and reaction that I had.

It was a well-executed elimination of a internal political opponent. In the days before the internet would have probably been accepted at face value as being a nice simple explanation by the media. These days it causes the kind of irritation that accelerates over-due change. It was also quite stupid and I’m rather furious that such a dumbarse stunt overshadowed the real interesting results of last weekend.

Jordan Carter over at Just Left did a pretty good explanation of what actually happened in conference – something that the pre-primed journalists apparently failed to observe.

The ‘net is changing society. Along with the ’68 revolution and the era of the babyboomers, and the massive liberalisation they brought about, New Zealand has much less time for authoritarian leaders than it used to. Collaboration, working together, the demise of hierarchy and bossy management, all these changes are real. Wider choice and respect for our voice – as consumers and as citizens – is part of New Zealand’s reality today.

Yet the two main political parties have remained stuck in the past. Labour and National are caught in the old ways of doing things. A small elite at the top in charge; the rest of us there as servants to carry out the wishes of the elite – pawns, all too often, in a game of thrones.

I know that because of the overlay of leadership debate, the changes we made don’t grab attention. But I also know those changes were overdue, are irreversible, and that most of the debate had *nothing to do* with the ‘contemporary anxieties’ Andrew Little referred to. Anxieties, I might add, that were substantially lessened by the content and delivery of David’s leaders speech on Sunday.

The changes we made this weekend are big, and they clash head on with the culture of the Parliamentary Labour Party. That part of Labour is very accustomed to being in charge, on its own terms. The shock to the system this weekend will have been severe for some MPs and for some party grandees.

I admire Jordan Carter and many of the other (no longer young) Young Labour of the 90′s for that degree of commitment and for that matter the clarity of strategic thinking that appears to elude many in caucus. Hell, I’m in awe of the abilities of the NZ Council and policy council members to put up with the remit processes that allowed last weekend to be such a success – it is definitely not one of my skills. However I’m in a different mode of thought to Jordan after watching the weak-minded in the Labour caucus falling for one of the older games in the political playbook before, during and after the conference.

So I’ve spent a solid worthwhile 30 years of voting Labour through good and bad and about twenty years of helping organise for them donating my time, skills and money. Given the alternatives at the time they were clearly the most competent political caucus overall. It was worth putting up with the clogged party processes left over after the 80′s that barely allow a party members to do more than act as a cheering crowd to the triumphant winners of the party caucus. After all we have to have some suckers willing to the damn job. Giving a few cheers periodically was fine if they’d stayed focused on the job at hand.

However at present they are not. This weeks stupidity is just the latest example of this in a continuing set of actions that remind me of the worst of the Alliance breakup. I really don’t have the patience or the time any longer to either wait or gently encourage the conservatives in the Labour caucus and their minions to catch up with the rest of society. That is going to have to be a job for the younger members of the NZLP.

So in 2014 my party vote will go to the Greens because their caucus deserves the support in the way that the Labour party caucus currently does not.

Why? Well I have always valued competence over idealogical considerations. So I look at what people do rather than what they say and make judgements accordingly. It is the reason that I find National so distasteful as they routinely bring misery to so many whilst saying that the experience will be good for them. A hypocritical cover as they transfer wealth from the children of the poor and the future to their backpockets now.

The Greens have been getting steadily more politically competent over the last decade. They are now at  to the point that I’m willing to trust them not to screw up too much with my vote. And they run their operations in a way that would make any management graduate like myself beam with pleasure. Their operational net systems are a bit primitive, but so are Labours

From my viewpoint outside, the Green caucus appears to be be made up of competent people who actually work together for a common objective – something that is notably lacking in the current Labour caucus. While they are obviously short of ministerial experience, they are clearly in a position that they have several people ready for it. And they don’t appear to waste their effort and time with idiotic scrabbling for position when ‘victory’ is meaningless without the treasury benches. They do not spend the money from parliamentary services on a relatively few over-paid staffers in their isolated hierarchical offices

Meanwhile the Labour caucus wastes its stipend for staffers in a pale imitation of the days when their masters were ministers and responsible for large organisations. In the days of constrained resources in opposition, I hear that the political battles amongst staffers are just as prevalent, petulant and meaningless as that amongst their masters.

Structurally the Greens have a flat opposition style horde of researcher, media contacts, and even MP’s in a mostly open plan office environment that would be familiar to anyone who operates a productive creative environment in the private sector. This is the difference between a hierarchical 60′s or 70′s managerial style and that of the 21st century where people cooperatively work on top of a network system. This coherence in strategy shows in the coherence that they display both in and outside the house. From what I hear, it also shows in the meetings with their party members.

Even at conference Labour MP’s and staffers were obviously recoiling into mini-beltways or cohorts of personal supporters away from the weird and wonderful that those who choose to be members of any political party.

The way that the Greens operator is far more likely to find, check and generate competent ideas that are likely to work in government than the antique structures in Labour. This means that they will have ideas resonate with the public and get the non-voters voting. You have to have contact with people who have ideas, even strange ones, and a staff competent to flesh it out to make viable new ideas. At present the Labour caucus appear to value none of these attributes.

Obviously the Labour caucus must realize this. It is hard to see any policy from Labour in recent years that isn’t just warmed over Green policy. But as a voter, why would you vote for the middle man? Sure they’re useful if you want a coalition brake. But they are not so useful when we don’t. And right now NZ needs new ideas because the old ideas that run the National and even Labour caucuses are simply leaching our best people and assets offshore in a negative sum game.

But I’m going to stay a NZLP member because of the party members. Sure there are some who profess a simplistic tribal loyalty that we sometimes see in comments here and which I find intensely irritating for their lack of thought (and consequential inability to argue). But more often I see comments from NZLP members who are actively thinking their way past the stasis of the party left over from the 1980′s through to what we need now and into the future. I’m confident that eventually they’ll change the culture of the NZLP to something that will reach its century and beyond.

So I’ll concentrate my efforts on providing this and/or other raucous forums for argument for the whole of the “left”. I’m sure that will help the others work inside the party to remove the remaining blockages. And the arguments will enhance the left overall.

* yeah right – I bet MP’s staff read this site amongst others based on how many times I’ve had to put parliamentary services IP’s into auto-moderation for astro-turfing the site.

169 comments on “Why I will party vote for the Greens”

  1. Brad 1

    “They [the Greens] do not spend the money from parliamentary services on a relatively few over-paid staffers in their isolated hierarchical offices”

    No, they spend it on influencing Citizens’ Initiated Referenda

  2. I for one welcome our new Zomboid overlords.

  3. RJLC 3

    That’s pretty close to echoing my reasons as well.

  4. Peter 4

    Very bold in saying that, and yeah, there will be many going the way of the Greens next time. I have heard that 20% has been established as an internal polling goal amongst Green organisers. I don’t think this is feasible, but hell, if Shearer doesn’t improve and caucus continues to block a decent replacement, then anything is on the cards.

    It’s not unheard of for long-standing mainstream political parties to collapse, even in nominal two party systems, and certainly within multi-party MMP like environments. It happens when either their structures or their MPs (which is the current problem) fail to adapt to changing times. The root of the current problem within Labour is that the membership appears ready to divest themselves of neoliberalism, whereas most of the Caucus, and the media who feed on them, cannot see any alternatives.

    So yeah, Shearer and Robertson are playing a dangerous game by blocking the party’s democratic aspirations. It’s the risk of polling in the high twenties next time around, and returning nothing but old guard on the list (Labour’s ability to win provincial and even urban seats is seriously in question).

    • dancerwaitakere 4.1

      Liberals at the start of the 19th century, anyone?

      • Peter 4.1.1

        Well, that is the historical analogy, post Seddon. Greens take the place of the emergent Labour party. Our current Labour Party slowly dies away, with the left wing bits heading to the Greens, and the right wing bits going the way of National.

  5. Lew 5

    Fair enough, Lynn. The best thing to focus Labour’s minds on winning is the Greens polling 20% or better. If that won’t work, nothing will. Ideally it wouldn’t be a zero-sum shift, though.

    L

    • lprent 5.1

      Yeah. And they really are within range of that at present.

      Problem is that the Greens are pretty useless at getting non-voters out. They aren’t very systematic at those mass tasks. Hell – they aren’t even good at getting their own supporters out to vote. One day they should go and have a really good talk to those organisational nutters at Greenpeace who really do show the dedication to make virtually the same audience turnout when required. But looking at what they have been doing with the asset referendum campaign, I suspect that may have already happened.

      Labour isn’t bad at voter and especially enrolled-non-vote turnout when they set their mind to it. That usually happens when you get some grizzled old campaigner like Mike Williams without a romantic bone in their body running the campaigns because they push party organisations to work beyond their comfort zones by providing relevant data. The problem is that it requires a great deal of organisation and there is always someone wanting to drop back to systems that used to work when the party membership was somewhat bigger. Systems that MP’s can grasp and understand aren’t exactly effective when you don’t have the bodies to run them with.

      • Peter 5.1.1

        Yeah, from what I’ve seen down here, the Greens have built systems for turnout that actually work. Unlike Labour, which since the retirement of its best organiser, Pete Hodgson, has not focused on the building of any systems, and instead, just expects that when a switch is turned, that things will happen. They might still, where a few key activists (think R0b) have the competence to run e-day systems in urban electorates, but beyond that, there’s nothing, and very little interest and resourcing in building something from the MPs.

        (2008 and 2011 Clutha-Southland campaign manager)

        • Lew 5.1.1.1

          Exhibit A for this is Clare Curran only beating a carpetbagger from the North Island by a few thou, and losing the party vote in Dunedin South. Wouldn’t have thought it possible, but there you go.

          L

          • Peter 5.1.1.1.1

            Yes, the organisation in Dunedin South is at the top of my list of poor performers, largely because I know a fair bit about it, and where it can easily be improved. Not all Clare’s fault, but she does have to take responsibility for it and put systems in place. Blaming it on a swing isn’t good enough, and so far, that’s all I’ve seen happen.

            • mike e 5.1.1.1.1.1

              Dunedin south want a left wing politician there is a lot of infighting and sulking going on.
              Then during the 2000,s unemployment was still nearly 11% in the electorate so some candidate needs to have a plan for jobs in the Dunedin area!
              Clare Curran needs a on the ground door knocking crew!

              • Crimson Nile

                She’s been MP down there for a while now, why is it she doesn’t have a strong team built up?

            • Socialist Paddy 5.1.1.1.1.2

              When you think about the poor party vote performers the worst were in Auckland Central, Wellington Central, Dunedin South, Port Hills, Waimakariri.  These candidates ought to be ashamed of themselves.

        • lprent 5.1.1.2

          Yeah I know. The same kinds of things have been happening up up here but probably to a lesser extent because there is a greater depth of experience in the isthmus. The problem is that you don’t win elections by doing turnout strategies in some electorates. You do it by doing it across a lot of electorates. The only way that you can do that is to run permanent low-key campaigns. The regional hub idea will work for that but it does seem to be more mired in the political stage rather than operational.

          In fact I’d say that you won’t see any effective operational strategy until they have set up a closed forums site for organisers (ie something like The Standard but login only) where ideas and resources can moved around. Of course such a system has it’s own political issues which is why I don’t think that the party could actually achieve it.

          • George D 5.1.1.2.1

            Lynn, if you come on board as a member we can show you our shiny vote-targeting efforts :) We have sophisticated models which worked rather well for us a year ago…

            There are still deficiencies in our planning and effort, but we’re working on those. The asset-sales referendum is important in its own right, but it’s certainly an excellent mobilisation tool and chance to build a few other things.

  6. jklmn 6

    Me too!

  7. Rich 7

    You know, Wellington doesn’t have a “Beltway”.

    It would be expensive and pointless for Wellington to have an actual “Beltway”. They’d have to move tonnes of rock along the east side of the harbour, demolish Eastbourne, build a tunnel under the harbour mouth, demolish Lyall Bay and Island Bay and then construct a sequence of tunnels and viaducts through Karori.

    Actually, I expect National to announce one in their next term.

    • felix 7.1

      What about the “town belt” way ;)

    • lprent 7.2

      :) It would be a “Road of National Significance” at least for a few

    • You’d prefer to call them “the political and media elite”? That’s a bit more of a mouthful.

      • Rich 7.3.1

        But would have the vast advantage of not perpetuating an Americanism.

        (I had the great idea today that NZ should progressively adopt Te Reo as our sole national language, rather as the Israelis have with Hebrew. That would determinedly isolate us from US and Australian discourse and ideas. Also, I’d like to see the Hobbit in Te Reo.)

      • Pete 7.3.2

        “Political insiders” would do.

    • Te Reo Putake 7.4

      I grew up in a town so poor it couldn’t afford an outskirts.

      Boom TISH!

      • Rhinocrates 7.4.1

        Lookshury! When I were a lad, we didn’t even dream of outskirts or even inskirts or any underwear. We only had a piece of string – and not a G-string either, mind – it were an I-string and you try wearing one of those, let alone building a house and corner shop on one! [cue Four Yorkshiremen sketch...]

        • Pete 7.4.1.1

          Aye, well we had it tough. Our strings were sub-particle quantum anomalies. You could see where they were or your could see where they were going, but never both at the same time. And you needed a particle accelerator to view them. Made it difficult on laundry day.

    • Foreign Waka 7.5

      Wellington will then be looking forward to full employment ;-)

  8. ad 8

    My partner and I are exactly the same on this LPrent.

    With the added point that we feel little reason to continue as Labour activists given the grief and scapegoating.

    Whatever this game is, it’s not worth it.

    Maybe we’ll resurface more as the next election comes around, but I suspect that will depend whether there’s an actual chance of winning, and also of changing anything (which is distinct).

  9. Socialist Paddy 9

    Chryst Lynn you will be off every MP’s christmas card list, or at least most of them :smile:

    But yeah.  Something needs to be done about the sense of entitlement shown by some.  And there needs to be a clear out of dead wood and one strong rule, a parliamentary staffer shall no longer be parachuted into a safe Labour seat. 

    • lprent 9.1

      I’m not involved in politics even in my indirect way to be liked.

      I’m mostly interested in making sure that the politicians don’t make too many screw ups of the type that was done through the 60′s to the 70′s of trying to ignore change. Unfortunately political systems are rather prone to structural jamming. The after effects, as happened in NZ in the 80′s and 90′s, are just wasteful on people and resources. It is pretty evident that we have that problem in parliament at present.

      I think Helen used to send me a card. But I think that she even enjoyed criticism as well.

  10. Pete 10

    I am leaning Green too, but I’m going to wait until after February to make up my mind.

    • Fair enough. It’s not as if us Greens really want the reason we get an influx of support to be our most likely coalition partner imploding…

      • Pete 10.1.1

        It’s not just that I’m getting jaded with Labour. The Green team is getting quite impressive. Russel Norman and Gareth Hughes in particular over the past few years.

        • lprent 10.1.1.1

          It’s not just that I’m getting jaded with Labour. The Green team is getting quite impressive.

          My view as well. Labour was the best that was available for the purpose. But the Greens have been more and more viable over the last 4 or 5 years when you look at it with organisational eye.

        • Anne 10.1.1.2

          It’s not just that I’m getting jaded with Labour. The Green team is getting quite impressive.

          Agreed. Made the decision over the week-end to transfer my vote (and loyalty) to the Greens if David Cunliffe isn’t reinstated to his rightful place on the front bench by February of next year.

          I’ve had enough of the incestuous bunch of beltway types and their paranoid fantasies.

          • Sunny 10.1.1.2.1

            .Me too

            • Akldnut 10.1.1.2.1.1

              Me three!!!
              Ive been threatening to do so over the last month or so and have almost convinced myself that it’s the only course of action if Shearer and his cacus don’t pick up the ball and start running with it.

              I’m fast becoming disenchanted with the way this caucus especially (barring Cunliff and a couple of others) are sleep walking their way to another National victory.
              Almost like sleeping at the wheel – they’re going to go crash very soon.

          • Treetop 10.1.1.2.2

            When it comes to Cunliffe being reinstated to the front bench, Shearer comes across this way to me, I will not reinstate a very very talented politician because I require from him the proviso that he will not challenge me for the leadership.

            The Green party play as a team and sadly Labour have lost their way.

        • Oh I figured that was a given. :)

      • George D 10.2.1

        Ha! I do love the way that John gets on so wonderfully with Labour people. Taken this weekend?

        • toad 10.2.1.1

          Yep. I think John has a background with (old) Labour in the UK in a former life. But good to see DC there doing some grass roots organising at a Greens-orgnanised site for the KOA petition.

          • George D 10.2.1.1.1

            Yes, definitely. It’s pretty typical of what I see and hear of him. I wouldn’t be surprised if he makes the seat safe in 2014.

      • Jenny 10.2.2

        Beautiful

  11. Gregor W 11

    Interesting piece Lynn, and as Peter notes, a pretty bold public commitment.

    Peter – 20% is eminently achievable as a) the NZLP continue to abandon their (nominal) role as ‘party of the left’ and b) the GP continues to focus on capturing disenfranchised and new voters.

  12. karol 12

    Well-argued, Lynn.

    Well it appears to have been some fantasy ‘coup’ concocted or grasped inside caucus to get rid of a internal political rival. 


    If the posts on The Standard, in the week before the Conference, were part of a Cunliffe-orchestrated coup, either the coup organisers were very inept, or there was no coup planned. Why would you organise a coup, orchestrating blog-posts, and not be pretty certain that said coup would be successful? e.g. via having run the numbers, gained enough caucus support, and being prepared to go live with the challenge to the existing leader.

    But, anyway, why would you organise said coup at a Conference dealing with other matters? 

    But I think Misa has it right also, concerning Shearer’s poor performance.  However, my reason for continuing to vote Green, is more for reason usually labelled “ideological” – though for me it is a matter of principles I go by, measured against what the parties do in practice.  I am concerned about the overall direction shearer wants to lead towards – actually, I fail to see a clear direction. And there seems to be a consistent focus on targeting the hopes and fears of the middle-classes, while ignoring those really struggling.

    The Greens show a much clearer sense of purpose, and work steadily on issues like poverty. 

  13. tc 13

    The greens have won alot of people over by fronting up over mining around Raglan/Aotea/west coast whereas Mahuta has been MIA, you know the education spokesperson as she must be too busy exposing Parata…..err hang on…. face meets palm.

  14. Kevin Welsh 14

    Great post Lynn and very thought provoking.

  15. King Kong 15

    Im sorry Lyn, I find it really hard to believe that every single journalist, many of them exceptionally experienced, was hoodwinked into believing that there was a coup on when there wasn’t.

    Or even more unlikely, they are all in on the plot to take down poor old David Cunliffe.

    Maybe you and your mates at the conference aren’t the heavyweight political insiders that you thought you were or don’t have the experience you think you do.

    This is nothing to be embarrased about as I am sure their are not that many of us who have been close up and personal in witnessing poilitical leadreship spills. Usually just rumour, innuendo and reports from the press.

    What I really struggle with is how someone who purports to be rational and educated can support the Greens other than through a massive toy throw.

    Whilst I am sure their intentions are good their policy is just plain dopey and has more holes than a Berlusconi, bunga bunga party.

    • thatguynz 15.1

      “their policy is just plain dopey and has more holes than a Berlusconi, bunga bunga party.”
       
       
       
      As opposed to the rational policies of National?  Tui billboard anyone?

    • lprent 15.2

      Im sorry Lyn, I find it really hard to believe that every single journalist, many of them exceptionally experienced, was hoodwinked into believing that there was a coup on when there wasn’t.

      I didn’t say that they were “hoodwinked”. I said they were fed a nice simple line that makes for good headlines and a easier story to write. They aren’t known as “reef-fish” for nothing. Given a good simple and above all dramatic line they will tend to prefer it over the more complex and closer to reality.

      Maybe you and your mates at the conference aren’t the heavyweight political insiders that you thought you were or don’t have the experience you think you do.

      I think that you ignored the basic message of my post – reread it (or even better read Jordan’s post). Traditional hierarchies are pretty much dead in these days of ubiquitous information and relationships that are hard to map. That is why they have been steadily flattening in almost every area. There are some who get this and there are others who do not.

      The actual distinguishing point on the net in my mind is the value that some people place on knowing “who” people are on the net. When it isn’t for the purposes of retribution (the most common reason I see), then it is for the purposes of establishing “authority” or position in some kind of hierarchy. Which is what I suspect you are seeking…

      Now I’ve always been just a party member who has done one term each as branch sec and chair before offloading them. I’m not a “heavyweight political insider” and have never claimed (or even wanted) to be one. What I have done inside Labour is to help build systems when they needed to be built. I also observe the people, structures, and think about them because that is what I do.

      I don’t claim authority for anything apart from my own opinions and how I help run this site (the latter derived completely from my system skills). What people choose to make of my opinions is their decision. I really don’t give a pigs arse what others think them. If they want they can ask, like you implicitly did. What I’m interested in doing is being able to express my opinions and helping others to do so as well.

      Like everything else on the net, value usually comes from familiarity with and the value placed on previous opinions. It is intensely non-hierarchical in structure. People choose to value or not value the opinion of others based on the value they gained from previous ones. This is a system embedded all the way through the net. You only have to to look at the way that the system is made up pretty much from RFC’s that people have chosen to follow to the point that they have become defacto standards.

      Authority of the type you seek is a meaningless distinction when evaluating an argument which will stand or fall on its own merits and that of it’s links. The only time it is useful is when people claim specialised knowledge when they cannot point to sources. That seldom happens except for the few idiots jumping up and down like a yo-yo trying to say “I’m important” because most knowledge is accessible at least in summary somewhere. Most knowledge is knowing where to locate it and have enough training to interpret it.

      What I really struggle with is how someone who purports to be rational and educated can support the Greens other than through a massive toy throw.

      You should read my back posts more carefully. Especially the ones to do with ‘green’ issues like climate change. The greens have often had good ideas. It just has been in a matrix that also included some pretty flakey ones.

      But they have gotten a lot more focused over recent years and in my opinion ‘rational’. I suspect you have just been too blinded by your presumptions to look. Perhaps you should look back in history to the formation on other political parties to get some perspective on how many nuts were involved in formation of National or Labour or how many of those were ultimately regarded in history as visionary.

      • Wayne 15.2.1

        Well, as I said last week if DC had been cleverer with his answers to questions put to him by the media, all of which were perfectly predictable, the vote on Tuesday would have never happened. And I know many contributors here did not see a problem with his answers, but the every experienced journalist did, and so did his colleagues. Not a vast right wing conspiracy, but politics 101.

        If DC had acted differently things might have happened in Feburary, but that now does not seem likely.

        However DS still has to perform over the next several months.

        But I guess if the Greens got 20% and Labour held its 2011 vote, the Left could be in a position to form a Govt with Mana and the Maori Party.

        It would most likely make Winston the king maker, and on the combo above I don’t see him going Left.

        • Blue 15.2.1.1

          Let’s run that scenario, shall we?

          Paddy Gower: “David! David! Are you planning a coup? You’re planning a coup aren’t you! I can smell it you dirty rat! Coup! Coup! Coup!”

          David Cunliffe: “David Shearer has my complete and total loyalty, now and forever and ever and ever.”

          Paddy Gower: “Bullshit! I know a coup when I see one! I see them everywhere! Even at my local dairy! You planned a coup but you got scared by Shearer’s magnificent oratory and backed off! Didn’t ya? Didn’t ya?”

          David Cunliffe: “No.”

          Paddy Gower: “Hahaha! I laugh in the face of such pathetic attempts to thwart me! Will you vote for Shearer in February? Will ya? Will ya? Will ya?”

          David Cunliffe: “Hang on a fucking second – am I really being asked to give up my basic right to vote FOR MYSELF in February or you’ll say I’m plotting a coup?”

          Paddy Gower: “Yes! Snake in the grass! Snake in the grass! I knew it! Fuck, everyone there’s a coup! You heard it from his own mouth! Coup! Coup! Coup!”

          David Cunliffe: “Great, Paddy, now can you fuck off and stop following me into the bathroom?”

          • Rhinocrates 15.2.1.1.1

            Ha!

          • weka 15.2.1.1.2

            Best synopsis yet Blue.

          • McFlock 15.2.1.1.3

            David Cunliffe: “Hang on a fucking second – am I really being asked to give up my basic right to vote FOR MYSELF in February or you’ll say I’m plotting a coup?”
             

            Um, yes. Even more than that, you were being asked to give up you right to have anyone else vote for you, too. Because that’s what a leadership challenge is
                       
            Cunliffe either had complete loyalty for Shearer, or was going to spend the next three months sowing discord amongst the membership and his caucus colleagues.  He tried to have it both ways.  

            • Colonial Viper 15.2.1.1.3.1

              Cunliffe either had complete loyalty for Shearer, or was going to spend the next three months sowing discord amongst the membership and his caucus colleagues.

              Correct. As George Bush simply stated: “You’re either with us, or you’re against us.” :twisted:

              • McFlock

                When there’s only one leadership post, that’s true. You either support the incumbent, or you want their job.
                 

                • One Tāne Huna

                  Or both. Ooh! A paradox! Don\t see many of those, do you?

                  • McFlock

                    Both? Not when you’re the heir apparent and the main focus point for any media looking to “expose” conflict within the party.
                           
                    In that case, it should be obvious that anything less than explicit ruling out of a challenge outside of specific criteria will be seen as deliberately undermining the incumbent. 

                    • One Tāne Huna

                      What “should” be obvious is that a bumbling incompetent incumbent undermines himself without any help from third parties, and after a while people start to point and laugh.

                    • McFlock

                      Says it all, really.
                           
                      Cunliffe’s behaviour was so callously duplicitous that even a “bumbling incompetent” saw through the thin veneer of plausible deniability and damning with faint praise. 
                             
                      Oh, but Cunliffe’s still the last, best hope to avoid a thousand years of neoliberal darkness… /sarc 

                    • One Tāne Huna

                      Cunliffe’s still the last, best hope to avoid a thousand years…

                      When did you become an authoritarian? When did my pointing out that Cunliffe is better at his job than Shearer get translated into some kind of unquestioning loyalty that I allegedly feel?

                      I’d be quite happy with Shearer if he was up to the job, and that is the root of the discontent here. Frankly if the next leader weren’t putting their hand up under these circumstances, we’d have a major problem.

                    • McFlock

                      Is this about you?
                              
                      I thought it was about Cunliffe. 
                           
                      So was Cunliffe putting his hand up to try to take the leadership from Shearer? Or did he support Shearer as leader? It’s a simple question, and one that he dodged. 

                    • One Tāne Huna

                      He didn’t dodge the question. Do I have to link to the video of him answering it?

                    • McFlock

                      You mean the “he has my loyalty, but I won’t say whether I’m already planning to challenge his arse in February if not sooner” (or words to that effect) link?
                           
                      Yep, that’s a dodge. 

                    • One Tāne Huna

                      If you say so, I’m sure you believe it.

                      Shearer’s performance is the problem.

                    • McFlock

                      Shearer’s performance is one problem.
                      Circling vultures is another. 

                    • One Tāne Huna

                      Oh ffs! A walking corpse attracts vultures and you think the vultures are the problem?

                      Indian vultures are a threatened species, driven to the brink of extinction. Packs of wild dogs are increasingly performing the vultures’ traditional role. No doubt you would blame the dogs.

                    • McFlock

                      Actually, dogs are more apt – it’s a case of attacking the weak animal which might have survived and gotten stronger. 
                             
                      But where the analogy falls down is that it’s not just Shearer being harmed by the attacks, but Labour as well. 
                           
                      If Cunliffe had been honest about his designs, the entire thing would have been over sharpish rather than this drawn out media prick-tease.
                           
                      Will Labour really be able to focus 100% on winning an election in two years time? What if Shearer wins the February vote: will you be expecting people to leaflet for a “walking corpse”? And if Cunliffe wins, do you expect the supposed “ABC” team to show him the same “loyalty” he’s shown Shearer? 
                             
                      It’s like a divorcing couple running for election on the same ticket – they were the frontrunners, but now all the other candidates need to do is stand back and let them bicker, snipe and glare at each other.

                  • One Tāne Huna

                    Cart, meet horse. Shearer is the weak link. That is the source of the harm to Labour, the reason Cunliffe looks so good – by comparison.

                    Which do you prefer – me saying so or Hooten’s “supportive” input? I might keep my counsel after February. Do you think he will?

                    • McFlock

                      I don’t listen to hooten. And unless you’re on the front bench, you can say what you want. 
                               
                      I can’t help wondering just how weak Shearer and Labour would be without all this bullshit. Would it be on 50% either way? nope. But it could well be quibbling over change 5% here nor there, which is all Labour need.
                             
                      If Cunliffe gets rewarded for possibly the most telegraphed, gory and drawn out coup d’etat since Akira Kurosawa’s “Throne of Blood” was released, I for one will be voting elsewhere. And several here seem to be pretty much the same way about Shearer. 
                            
                      They’re as damaging as each other, imo. 

        • seeker 15.2.1.2

          Was going to comment on your comment yesterday Wayne. Cunliffe said virtually the same things that you so righteously suggested and nothing worked ( on the many accostings/interviews of him I saw.from Fri to Sun.)
          As far as I could see, in the case of Gower anyway, he wasn’t interested in what Cunliffe said, only that if he wasn’t going to say what Gower wanted him to say then Gower would report that he said it or didn’t say it anyway. This he did, not only to us, but also to Shearer, who didn’t appear to have seen or heard anything and looked shocked. Madness. Anyone could see and hear Cunliffe endorse Shearer again and again as he was asked the same question again and again. Cunliffe also followed up, when asked about leadership, with the fact that leadership wasn’t a matter for this conference as it was a constutional one (not a leadership one, like February for instance- my words).
          So your suggestions, although meant kindly I am sure, would not have helped.
          There must have been a hidden agenda here. whether it went wrong or is still playing out we have yet to see, but it will be from a distance as I won’t vote Labour in NZ again unless Shearer and a few others disappear. Jordan Carter mentioned Game of Thrones, perhaps this is the game they are playing -it certainly seems and feels like it. Most unpleasant.

          There were more accostings over the weekend, but this was the horror of horrors:

          http://www.3news.co.nz/Shearer-denies-Labour-leadership-shakeup/tabid/370/articleID/277072/Default.aspx

        • lprent 15.2.1.3

          David Cunliffe is only marginally relevant to my decision. That was merely the icing on the cake because it really just showed how caucus thinks about members.

          The process that the caucus moved through to get from A to B to C to D was just childish.

          A = Cunliffe is a arrogant knowitall (like most MP’s?)
          B = Some people are saying that Cunliffe may be ambitous (Hooten phase)
          C = Bloggers are saying nasty things about the leader and caucus and the party is wanting change
          ……(and they can’t possibly think these things on their own)
          D = Cunliffe is responsible, lets demote and shun him.

          Yeah right. Childish and extremely unprofessional is what it looks like to anyone who is aware of the feeling inside the party amongst members right now. They’re outright irritated with both the campaign last year, the ineptitude of caucus this year, and the complete set of possible balls ups that caucus has been making for 4 years now with idiot MP’s crapping all over whatever progress the party makes.

          Just look at bloody Shane Jones who appears to be actually rogue, is causing real damage to the party and its future role in a government and who has a strong conflict of interest in many of the topics he is talking on.Then the silence is deafening.

          But caucus and their minions really don’t want to hear that, so it is time to scapegoat someone for getting the members upset (because members don’t have brains you see…). Just use a story that the news media can collapse into a soundbite better than why the party members are getting pissed off with the caucus and getting very very interested in change.

          Basically, I’m tired of this kind of stupidity. I’m tired of trying to even defending it or ignoring as I’ve done for the last 4 years.

          BTW: Feb isn’t really an option for a leadership spill by anyone in caucus. Quite simply caucus members would be terrified of going anywhere near the party for a decision for quite some time. Especially as we keep encouraging the Labour Ulterior to become members.

          While I think that Winston is probably the great white hope of the Nat’s these days as the rest of the their client parties have become unelectable, I really don’t think that he will.

          Quite simply his core supporters pretty much hate National these days and I don’t think he would be able to bring himself OR his MP’s across. Just go and ask NZF supporters. They’ll tell you in chapter and verse. Not to mention that because of the stupid campaign National waged against Winston in 2008, you’ll have National’s own membership revolting against any formal coalition prior to the election and restricting what can be done.

          I suspect in the scenario you’re looking at, the absolute best National could get is a very unstable minority government in which nothing much could happen.

          But a Labour/Green/NZF doesn’t look unworkable if only because of Nationals crap record on the rivers and youth unemployment is really starting to upset grandparents.

          • Jenny K 15.2.1.3.1

            Personally, I think your entire analysis is spot-on.
            But there isn’t much time between now, the summer break, and Feb for Shearer to continue to show his dithering – so caucus could well still be behind him at showdown time!
            But Shearer doesn’t read blogs, he doesn’t speak to Members (sorry – Followers, is what he
            calls us – like sheep, I guess we’re just a part of the countryside background to him !) unless they are a part of his trusted advisors’ group – so he doesn’t have a clue that the Party is imploding and that he is contributing to it.

            • lprent 15.2.1.3.1.1

              ;) Yep. I suspect that we’re going to just have to hope that this caucus lifts their game between now and the election so they don’t disappoint their potential coalition partners too much.

              It is still a good time to move from Ulterior to being a member. And I expect a significant boost in membership. One way or another the NZLP is going to have to build a new way of working together that doesn’t involve me getting embarrassed to be seen supporting the Labour caucus.

        • Draco T Bastard 15.2.1.4

          And I know many contributors here did not see a problem with his answers, but the every experienced journalist did, and so did his colleagues.

          In other words, they were making shit up.

  16. higherstandard 16

    I’m party voting for the Hypnotoad.

    • Rogue Trooper 16.1

      All Hoary to The Hypnotoad…or The Busy Bee.zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
      (Todays programme has been brought to you by the letter ‘Z’; Z is for Zoonosis)
      10 9 8 7 6 5 4 3 2 One :)

  17. beatie 17

    interesting article about the British LP and it’s increasing irrelevance to the working class.

    ‘Historically, it has been Labour’s role to challenge wealth and power. If its leadership is unable to do so – whether it be through lack of courage or conviction – a vacuum will be left. In such turbulent times, that vacuum will be filled. The cosy consensus of the professionalised political elite may be suffocating, but it is not sustainable. A perceptive eye can notice the cracks and observe that – with a bit of a shove – the whole edifice could shatter.’

    http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/the-cosy-consensus-i-saw-on-question-times-panel-is-a-disservice-to-every-man-and-woman-in-britain-8348713.html

    • karol 17.1

      Thanks for the link to the interesting article, beatie.  I think there’s a similar difference between 1930s and 40s Labour MPs, with strong links to low income battlers, and today’s more middle-class managerialist Labour MPs.

    • just saying 17.2

      Thanks Beatie – a brilliant article from Owen Jones. Weird to know the Labour Party movement is creaking with the same problems worldwide.

      I’ve often wondered about the successes of the labour movement being a large part of the decline. I think of my grandfather, a working class man who longed for justice, who fought hammer and tongs for Labour, and a better future. Now in that future, about half his grandchildren are uni-educated professionals, most of whom now believe that poor working-class folk like he was, are poor because of defects of character and ability. The comfortably middle-class believe emphatically that they deserve to take from the tables of the poor, and have all but pulled up the ladder allowed so many of them to climb out of working class hardship structural disadvantage.

    • Rhinocrates 17.3

      Great article. The pessimist in me is deeply disturbed at the popular disenchantment with mainstream politics, because that disenchantment can lead to extremism, as was the case in Weimar Germany… or modern Greece where already half of the police force is affiliated with the neonazi Golden Dawn party.

      • rosy 17.3.1

        disenchantment can lead to extremism, as was the case in Weimar Germany”

        Yes… and when the extremists buy up / control the news media the process is all but complete. Politics is like watching a car crash in slow motion at the moment, with no brake apparent.

  18. seeker 18

    Brillian post lprent. You have articulated my thoughts almost exactly.
    They say there is a time and place or season for everything ,well this is my season for going Green. It is so clear , I can’t believe I didn’t see it before. But of course I could not with the mindset I had before Shearer’s weak and unjust execution of Cunliffe last week. As you say so “distasteful” was it that I could only spit out the Labour Party that he led.

    I had always voted Labour, as to my mind it was the party for social s justice but Meteria Turei has been doing such a good job of fighting against,poverty, neglect of our children and giving support for our youth as well as good housing ideas that I am more than happy to support her in this fight.

    It is now a relief that I do not have to try and support something I hardly recognise any more and to realise that Labour is just as archaic as National. The Green party is the way of the future, Labour has done its job well in the far past, but is now lost, to me anyway. The Green party not only has much to say and actually do about the environment but also says and does much for social justice,my passion.

    It is time to let National and Labour wallow in the mire their lack of principle has created, before becoming bogged down myself. It feels like I have crawled out of the sludge and can set about creating a better and reality checkable “brighter” future for my son and his children. A future that will sensibly take into account the future of the environment as well as social justice and allow us democratic freedom.

    I am still considering staying a member of Labour until after next February to see if I may have misjudged and to see if my vote is needed, but at the moment all my votes in 2014 are going Green. I can ‘see’ no other way.

    Ps Loved Tapu Misa today.

  19. Was that brief outage caused by your sudden epiphany?

  20. Fisiani 20

    So Lprent eloquently trys to claims that he will walk away from Labour, others then pick up the mantra in the hope that the rising clamour and fear of abondonment of the party will surely sweep away Shearer in February and install Cunliffe. The only problem is that in the lead up to Christmas it will remind everyone of the father warning the naughty children that if they do not behave then Father Christmas will not come this year. This attempt at political subterfuge 202 is so amateurish as is the wailing ” I do this with a heavy heart BUT….”
    Come on guys… Pull the other one.

    • One Tāne Huna 20.1

      Yeah come on LP, you know honest expressions of opinion just confuse the poor wingnuts.

      • lprent 20.1.1

        *grin* They do seem to have a problem. They really don’t understand this whole “having your own opinion and putting it out there” thing either. Except when I am banning people, I don’t command anyone here and don’t presume to. Even my warnings are just that.

        FFS: I’ve been expressing my opinion over hundreds of posts and 10k comments here in the last 5 years. You’d think that some these bozo’s would have picked up on this non-hierarchical coop idea by now.

        • Rhinocrates 20.1.1.1

          Did you know that cats, dogs and many other mammals do not have the cone cells in their retinas that are sensitive to red light? No matter how many red cards you show them, they simply cannot see that colour. It’s not merely psychological or even neurological – it’s physiological.

          Now I wouldn’t go quite that far regarding Fizzy, but…. well, I do wonder. It seems he (any bets that it’s a she?) simply cannot comprehend the possibility of a structure that isn’t hierarchical. Now is that psychological, neurological or physiological?

    • PlanetOrphan 20.2

      Such Power LPrent wields in this world,
      He must be a wearer of “The Ring of Power”

      Jealous much Fisiani?

    • Lanthanide 20.3

      You didn’t read very well if you think Lynn saying he’ll stay a Labour member means “he will walk away from Labour”.

      • lprent 20.3.1

        Exactly. I think Labour is worth fighting for as an party organisation. It fits closer to both my history and my sense of values than the Greens do. I just don’t think that the Labour party is ably represented in parliament at present and I’m unwilling to give the parliamentary caucus as a whole any support – ie no party vote. From the reaction of the caucus over the last week I think it’d be a cold day in hell before they allow a through reform of how they operate before the next election.

        I’m likely to vote for my local Labour MP (Jacinda Arden) and I’ll continue the VFL payments that pay my membership and won’t be joining any other party.

        But in the meantime I’ll vote for the party with a better parliamentary organisation because they’re a damn sight more likely to break the policy logjams in parliament.

  21. gobsmacked 21

    Good post. And Tapu Misa totally nailed it today.

    The Labour leadership are getting a “canary in the coal mine”. It’s up to them if they want to plunge further into the darkness. There are two years to the election (possibly), but much less time to get back the goodwill they need.

    A common line from political parties (albeit implied rather than brazenly stated) is “You’ve got nowhere else to go”. That might work in a two-party system (“Don’t like Obama? You’ll get Romney!”) but it’s not going to work under MMP. The Greens are looking better by the day.

    And right on cue, here is another Cheerleader 4 Shearer … guess which end of the political spectrum he comes from?

    (Warning: the link really does read like satire by Dim-Post or Imperator Fish. Prepare to laugh or cry …)

    http://www.bayofplentytimes.co.nz/news/garth-george/1635685/

    • Rhinocrates 21.1

      Oh, it’s Garth George… dare I?

      Hmmm… reads… heh heh.

      I’d love to see him actually describe in detail the apocalypse he imagines – volcanoes venting menstrual blood, plagues of locusts with the face of Elvis Presley, cocoa shortages, jam with pips in it that get under his dentures and so on.

      So what’s the list so far for Shearer?

      Hooters
      The Penguin (aka “David Farrar”)
      Granny (Mike Roughan, I suppose)
      O’Sullivan
      Armstrong
      Trevett
      George
      Garner
      Espiner
      et al

      Someone once asked on this blog, “with friends like you lot…” meaning that The Standard was supposedly not only a Labour party publication, but a Leader of the Labour Party publication and it was inexplicably white-anting the Dear Leader, but if you do ask that question, then see who Shearer’s real friends are… not that any one of them, or any of their followers would actually vote for Shearer over Key, Joyce or Collins.

      Now let’s look at another list:

      Duck
      Goff
      King
      Robertson
      Chippy
      Jones

      I wonder if these people have asked who those on the first list would really vote for in 2014 and whether they want to be part of the above list themselves?

      Just what level of self-delusion are they suffering?

      They should ask themselves these questions, and publish the answers:

      Do you think that their support vindicates you?

      Do you think that they would actually vote Labour in 2014?

      Do you think that you lost in 2011 because Fran O’Sullivan didn’t vote for you as opposed to the 800 000 bludging beneficiary scum who stayed at home and painted their roofs?

      Are your enemies really internal or does the country face a real enemy outside the Labour Party that is actually more important?

      Are you more important than the people you claim to champion?

      What did the Party just do at the conference?

      Will you listen to them?

      How much did they scare you [Multiple choice: (A) Not at all, I had my hearing aid turned off; (B) How can we spin this as a show of support for our brilliant initiative?; (C) I shat myself; (D, for Hipkins) MUMMY!!]

      What are your employment prospects if you were to leave parliament?

      Would you resign your position if it were demonstrated that your were failing in your job?

      Why is anonymous leaking to the media allowable if it is not sanctioned by the leader?

      Is Shane Jones now official spokessphincter for mining and fisheries and official liaison with Destiny Church?

      If not, why has he not been disciplined?

      What concrete evidence do you have that David Cunliffe was plotting a coup?

      What do I have to do to gain admission to your tree hut and does it involve mixing blood and swearing an oath and being “blokey” or at least a chick who’s an “honorary bloke”?

      What is your favourite flavour of ice cream?

      Tapu Misa certainly wrote a fine column, with a precisely aimed but not too brutal reminder to McCarten about there never being such a thing as a “rightful leader”.

    • karol 21.2

      Garth George is so right.  He said:

      That one so arrogant, self-obsessed and ambitious could become leader of a major political party and, heaven forbid, prime minister of the country, is a horror not to be contemplated.
      I have long believed that any person, without being asked, who puts himself or herself forward for political office – national or local – proves, by that very action, to be unsuitable for the job.

      So how did we ensure he doesn’t get a third term?  As I recall he always wanted to be a PM from childhood. 

  22. KhandallaMan 22

    Lyn, it is tragic that matters have arrived at this juncture. 

    I fell rage at times when I see how easy it is for those who have press staff to manipulate the media.  The Labour Party is a allow point at present and the mediocre and fearful have control of the levers of influence. 

    I’m not going to support the Greens. They do not have Labour values.
    I’m going to harness my sense of rage and frustration and work to promote Labour people who are genuinely and intelligently committed to the workers, the families, the vulnerable and the whole country.  

    I will not allow people like Robertson Mallard Shearer et al to screw up this party any more.
     

    • Rhinocrates 22.1

      Lyn, it is tragic that matters have arrived at this juncture.

      Akshully, thinking about that and the moves by the ABC club and the “Shearer Says” (too bad he’s David and not Simon), it all looks rather grim. The revolution has been stamped on by the counter-revolution, but…

      I will not allow people like Robertson Mallard Shearer et al to screw up this party any more.

      Lots of people are saying that now and with real passion. Moreover, they now have the power within the party make it so and that’s a sign of hope. Things look bad now, but there’s been a fundamental and irrevocable shift in the foundations. It may take a while for the shockwaves to spread through the caucus, but I don’t think that even 2013 is entirely too late – or even early 2014 if the new leader strikes when the iron is hot and keeps it hot – i.e., in the media spotlight.

    • lprent 22.2

      I’m not going to support the Greens. They do not have Labour values.

      I’d agree with that. Which is pretty much why I’m staying in the party as a member.

      I’m going to harness my sense of rage and frustration and work to promote Labour people who are genuinely and intelligently committed to the workers, the families, the vulnerable and the whole country.

      I would, but I’m too damn dispirited after having done that for too long. I’ll do whatever I can from the outside here but I really just can’t tolerate rewarding basic incompetence any more.

    • rosy 22.3

      +1 KhandallaMan. I’ll see how I feel closer to the election, but at the moment I’ll be damned if I’ll play their game and head further left so Labour as it stands get into power.

      Either it heads further left itself – with the people like you leading the charge, or I spoil the ballot paper.

    • Ron 22.4

      I agree but to really effect a change in a political party there must be a democratic way to control the party list. Otherwise the has-beens will contimue to populate the list with their mates.
      I cannot remember what the Electoral Commission had to say on subject of open lists (were they in favour) but if we do nothing else but encourage Labour to move to a more democratic list, then the future of Labour as a political force will be assured. Alternatively they will shuffle themselves off the stage.
      Not sure that greens would be the answer though

  23. 2014 is far too far off. What happened to February 2013? Is everyone celebrating the changed rules at Conference but throwing in the towel on the leadership change. Has the old guard ABC clique succeeded in intimidating the new guard?

    The NACTs need to be defeated between now and 2014. We need a leadership that will say no privatisation on pain of renationalisation without compensation. That the homeless need state houses yesterday. That Christchurch needs to take control of its own rebuild from the NACT gentry dictatorship. That DPB parents should have a living benefit and that that a UBI be paid so as not to stigmatise an ‘underclass’. That we throw out the TPPA not pussyfoot around its attacks on our basic rights. etc etc. Make your own list.

    Such a leadership and program would mobilise opposition and rally people around a fighting LP to neutralise asset sales now, stop the NACT attacks on workers in its tracks now, and set the scene for a NACT wipeout in 2014.

    Promising a party vote to the Greens in 2014 is no substitute. It’s quiescence. The Greens don’t have a mass working class constituency and will never have one. Its is a middle class party with a middle class program. It celebrate individuals not class solidarity. It doesnt matter if it’s organisation is ostensibly more democratic, horizontal votes for Green Capitalism is part of the problem not the solution.

    Are the Labour Left too scared of the old guards threats and open to their bribes? Do they fear a breakdown of ‘unity’ with those who have never repudiated Rogernomics? Come on. There are staunch MPs who will put up a fight for Cunliffe come February. Who gives a shit if Helen Kelly says she is for Shearer. She is part of the old guard defending the hierarchy in the party and in the unions to go with the flow, the status quo, you know. Its time that the unions were about the membership and not the bureaucracy. Its time to take back the party and the unions for the working class.

    • karol 23.1

      Ah, thank-you, Dave B. You have articulated how you see Green Party values as being different from Labour Party ones.  I was about to ask KhandallaMan that re-his comment @5.40pm.

      Lately I have looked a few times at the LP website & the Greens‘ one, to try to work out how their values differed.  And each time I haven’t been able to see a clear difference. 

      Dave B said:

      The Greens don’t have a mass working class constituency and will never have one. Its is a middle class party with a middle class program. It celebrate individuals not class solidarity. 

      But I don’t see anything in each party’s principles, values etc, which shows that differentiation.  I don’t see any commitment to working class solidarity on the LP site’s principles.  And, it seems to me there are as many middle-class people voting for Labour as there are for the Greens.  

      The Greens seem to be all for collective action and working at the grass-roots, with and for communities.  They don’t seem that much different from the LP in supporting individualism – both seem to take a mid-way between individual rights and community collaboration.

      So, in the end, I have to go on the record of the current batch of MPs and the  policies they commit to, and their behaviour.  The Greens, though having becoming a bit less left-wing in the last couple of years, still seem to me to stand up more for the less well-off and the people doing it tough in society.

      • Colonial Viper 23.1.1

        The Labour movement will always be a more powerful movement than the Green movement, for societal change, if it can get its shit together, that is.

        • George D 23.1.1.1

          But if the labour movement (Andrew Little’s friends, not the working men and women who pay their salaries) continue to agitate for a centre-right Labour and a soft negotiation-based approach to labour law rather than one that makes things rights and cements them in legislation, then we will continue to see the decline in power of the ordinary person in New Zealand.

          If they stand behind those more willing to take the fight, we (the people) will get our power back, and the unions themselves will see their strength within society return.

        • karol 23.1.1.2

          Oh, yes, I agree my support is for movement based on challenging the power of capitalism/ists, and solidarity of those exploited and battered by it/them.  I am not first and foremost for a Green movement.

          But now we have the Paganis and Shearer, claiming the “labour” and “workers’” roots of the Labour Party.  But unfortunately, their idea of this seems to be strongly based in a protestant work ethic; that work is good for the soul. They divide workers from the undeserving beneficiaries.  At least with the Greens you don’t get that division.

          But, these days, neither party seems that committed to challenging the power of the elites. Certainly not in their manifestos.  And I’m not sure “labour” as a concept, really focuses on the power divisions and struggles as they exist today.

          • George D 23.1.1.2.1

            Yeah, that’s been a problem. The Greens have championed a lot of struggles that pit powerless against power (environment, sexuality, peace, drug legalisation, the unemployed), and insomuch as many of them have been struggles of subgroups rather than massed labour (historically white, male, and socially unexceptional) that approach has been seen as divisional.

            That needn’t be, of course. I really like Dougal McNeil’s approach to power which doesn’t see these as oppositional struggles but shared ones.

            • karol 23.1.1.2.1.1

              The Greens have championed a lot of struggles that pit powerless against power 

              Agreed.  And I have heard Green MPs verbalise such struggles.  But it’s not there in their main values, mission statement etc. on their website  That’s why, in the end, I decide who to vote for on the most recent performances and policy commitments.

              • Ron

                We should also remember the Greens have not really been in a position in Government where their actions are held up to public scrutiny. Its easy to be in opposition you can propose any policy and not have to implement it.
                Once you are in Government and have to live with your own actions it is not so easy.

                • karol

                  Agreed, Ron.  They will need to continue to earn my support, before, during and after the next election. 

          • Draco T Bastard 23.1.1.2.2

            Oh, yes, I agree my support is for movement based on challenging the power of capitalism/ists, and solidarity of those exploited and battered by it/them.

            Constitution

            That the natural resources, material infrastructure and all essential utilities must belong to the people collectively and be managed under democratically controlled integrated planning;
            That the destruction of our natural environment must be halted and its restoration and protection actively promoted;
            That global capitalism and its class system is neither permanent nor invincible;

            • karol 23.1.1.2.2.1

              Ah, yes.  There’s always Alliance to vote for if I think Greens or Mana are not cutting it, or being left wing enough come next election.

              MANA comes from a deep and ongoing connection to the people of the Pacific. MANA embraces the personal responsibility we all have to contribute to society.
              MANA also speaks to the pride and dignity of workers who built this country into the special place that we all call home.

               
              MANA is also seen as the natural home to a growing number of ordinary Kiwis cast adrift by this National government, and despairing of Labour’s inability to provide a viable alternative.”

               
              “Government is giving tax breaks to the rich, bailing out failed finance companies, selling off our natural resources, turning prisons into private profit ventures, and spending $36 million on a yacht race on the other side of the world, while ordinary New Zealanders are starving, workers are being forced into slavery by the 90-day bill, and Maori rights are being drowned in the Raukumara Basin.
              “In the land of milk and honey, those massive inequalities are unacceptable.
               
              MANA will promote the principle that what is good for Maori is good for Aotearoa. 

              MANAwill promote policies that allow all New Zealanders to lead a good life. 

              MANA will outline a budget to meet those expectations. MANA will bring courage and honesty to political endeavour. MANA will guarantee a measure of people power and accountability from its MPs, that has never been seen before in this country. 

              But I also look to see how successful a party and its MPs are in putting their values/vision into practice. Not sure about Mana yet, putting it all into practice.

    • Colonial Viper 23.2

      THIS.

    • BM 23.3

      The Greens don’t have a mass working class constituency

      Neither does Labour.
      Or National or any one else, the “working class” is a figment of some ageing pommie
      unionists imagination.

      • Jenny 23.3.1

        The ‘working class’ in particular the organised sections of it, have been powerful agents for change. Bastion Point, arguably the start of modern Maori Political power, would not have been successful as it was without the trade union imposed Green Ban.

        Likewise nuclear ship visits were brought to a halt my massive industrial action starting at the waterfront and spreading to building sites factories.

        Will the trade unions reach those heights again?

        Who knows.

        But it is notable that current industrial law legislated by both National and Labour administrations currently expressly forbids unions taking political action, with very extreme penalties written in for doing so.

    • Tim G 23.4

      +1

      Well said, Dave Brownz.

      It is not just quiescence, it is acquiescence to vote for a party that is so concerned about its branding that it frames its policy around feel-good conservation objectives and poverty-busting rhetoric (people keep talking about all the good work done by MT – hmm?) rather than bearing the standard for any genuine left-wing economic policy.

      The Greens are not the Party of the Labour Movement, and it will take a Clegg-esque bedding in with the Nats after the next election for many people to see that.

      It’s like people have forgotten that stupid stunt before the 2011 election (or was it 2008? I forget) where they very publicly considered whether their policies could be reconciled more closely with National or Labour and went out to their people to find out.

      They should not have had to ask themselves that fucking question, publicity stunt or not.

      • Peter 23.4.1

        Feel good conservation measures?

        Nah, conservation in New Zealand is about killing, killing, and then some more killing.

        Most in the current Greens line up are aware of this.

      • karol 23.4.2

        Yes, but this term, the Greens and National have been unable to agree on a new Memorandum of Understanding, unlike in the previous term. I think both parties now see themselves as being too far apart.

  24. marsman 24

    Great post lprent. Am a Wellington resident. Have voted for the local Labour constituent but Party voted Greens since the beginning of MMP. I like what both parties stand for.

  25. hush minx 25

    I have to say i am just a little bit shocked that so many have ended up dispirited and voting green – although i put myself in that camp. I do however hope caucus will vote for a leadership ‘conversation’ in February as otherwise i fear there may be no Labour left after 2014. I know it doesn’t make total sense to have a vote so soon but i can’t see any other way for shearer or whoever to truly have the moral authority to take activists and indeed voters, with them. I do wish shearer read blogs-there’s lots for him to learn on these pages.

  26. Tim G 26

    By the way LPrent, if you were in any doubt about Labour MPs reading TS, the Third Man linked to TS in one of his posts on Red Alert the other day: http://blog.labour.org.nz/2012/11/24/annual-conference-its-the-constitution-its-the-vibe/

    I think it was an attempt at an olive branch (at least an olive stem, or stone maybe?) to the left wing blogosphere. A cynical attempt, maybe.

    • One Tāne Huna 26.1

      “a balance between democratisation and stability” says Robertson. Yeah, because everyone knows that democracy in unstable.

  27. newsense 27

    not to be a cynic, well ok, I’m mostly a cynic- but wait until the Greens get near a bit of power or are in danger of it and then wait for the clamber in the lolly scramble!!

  28. Why I will party vote for the Greens

    Because you clearly don’t understand how pro this planet killing system the Green party is?
    Kiwi Saver being the glaring obvious one … you know that growth based savings scam?
    Captain Paul Watson described the type of person Norman is, see 34:20 – http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3hx-G1uhRqA and 36:00, If Norman wasn’t playing politician he would be comfortable participating any number of fell good BS environmental groups or planet stuffing organizations
    Anyway End CIV kind of shows how utterly screwed we are.
    If we pretend we have a future, then voting would be nearly one of the most pointless actions you could take.

    “Everything that needs to be said has already been said. But since no one was listening, everything must be said again.” So, here I go, saying it again” André Gide:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VOMWzjrRiBg

  29. newsense 29

    Why didn’t you want to appear on the Nation LPrent? Seem anonymous some-in-the-party/senior Labour figures are worried about the standard’s to destabilise the party.

    Is there someone who could do media for the site- someone did in the first few years of the blog IIRC? Or was it a case of head down time?

    • lprent 29.1

      I wrote a comment about it yesterday. Ummm here

      But the extended answer is that I have no interest in being a talking head for anything. Being involved in politics is a pretty minor interest and one that can interfere far too much with things that I find important. So I have restricted it to doing systems like this one and occasionally voicing my opinions.

      In particular it’d interfere with what I actually want to do and what pays the bills, which is mainly being a c++ programmer with an interest in GUI and server coding specialising in systems that are around the bleeding edge.

      Politics is more of duty I perform than a major interest. Much the same as joining the army when I was younger or doing jury service these days. Steve Pierson aka Clint wanted to front in 2008/9, but he like most authors his life eventually lead elsewhere and he got busy.

      And if politicians don’t want to hear my opinions then they should stop screwing up so frequently…

    • felix 29.2

      Fuck ‘em.

      They’ve done nothing but slag off the legitimacy and diminish the importance of this site and the blogosphere in general and now they’re finally getting their heads around it they expect to snap their fingers and have people jump to take part in their dying, dinosaur, celebrity-oriented medium?

      Fuck that. If they’re genuinely interested let them come here and engage like real people.

    • lprent 29.3

      Oh and I forgot to mention that I don’t think that there are that many “senior Labour party members” who haven’t met me at some point or another. And I suspect many of the older ones will have known of me long ago from some of the work I was doing with campaigning code.

  30. McFlock 30

    Personally I’m probably just going back to the Alliance. Not much chance of getting in, but at least it’s a party I agree with.

  31. xtasy 31

    Lprent:

    It is a sensible, understandable decision to split your vote the way you intend to.

    My party vote has been Greens for the last 2 elections, and the electorate vote was only Labour, because in the one electorate I lived in before the Labour candidate was going to win anyway, and in the electorate I live in now, the Labour candidate was the only likely alternative to the Nat one, who regrettably took the electorate.

    I am waiting for some good Green or other personalities to come up next time, to perhaps try taking this electorate, and then my electorate vote may go Greens as well.

    That is all, unless a new, promising, well designed and organised “left” party may be created in the meantime, offering a better alternative as this “Labour” lot, and provided I will still be around.

    Yes, Labour as it is, will head to 20 to 25 per cent, I fear, and the Greens will likely head to 15 to 20 per cent.

    The NZ political environment is likely to change substantially over the coming years, no doubt.

    • Fisiani 31.1

      When the Labour vote falls to below 25% then there is no pressing need to vote Labour. Anti-Government Votes can then also go to Greens, NZ First, Mana , Maori party and perhaps New Labour. If that adds up to 61 seats then they form a government. As long as they stick together they can still win no matter how fragmented.

    • Ron 31.2

      On the subject of Greens in my opinion they should be trying for Electorate seats as well as party vote and they should also be standing in the Local body Elections. I can understand why they dont want to split their energies and concentrate just on Party Vote but good politics is about having an electorate MP to represent you which is greatly different from having a list MP who may not even live in your electorate and is not very interested in local happenings

  32. Chrissy 32

    Funny I havent heard a single cogent argument from anyone about why we shouldnt have a proper democratic leadership vote in February, and put this stuff behind us. Not one.

    So, let’s hear it: why wouldnt we invoke our new system now? The one that David Shearer says “will see us be more open, democratic and membership-driven”.

    I really do think it’s the best, maybe only way we are going to avoid more of what Lynn is exemplifying.

    • weka 32.1

      Who decides if there will be a vote in Feb, and how is that decision made? I had thought it was a mandatory vote to be taken every year.

      • Bill 32.1.1

        The leader has to secure 60% +1 support from caucus in Feb or there will be a party wide vote.

        But by my understanding, if mps give that support in spite of the obvious wishes of the membership then I guess they severely jeopardise their own political futures, because the membership now gets a say in who can stand as an electorate mp and where people are placed on the list..

        • Chrissy 32.1.1.1

          MPs further losing the confidence of people is another reason for them to support a full democratic process in February. Still no counter arguments. Come on, tell me why not. Please. Tell me why not.

        • Ron 32.1.1.2

          Bill
          How do members get more say in who their electorate MP is to be. I cannot see how electorates will not still get carpetbaggers parachuted into electorates over the wish of the local committee.
          Has there been a change that I missed?

    • The Fan Club 32.2

      Because the system is designed only to be triggered when caucus have lost confidence in the leader? Because that is not what conference voted for? Because it’s a perversion of the intent of the rules for the short term political gain of one D. Cunliffe?

      • One Tāne Huna 32.2.1

        What a load of bullshit. Even if you weren’t spinning like a Tory, short-term gain for Cunliffe = long term win for Labour and New Zealand.

        The problem isn’t that Cunliffe is articulate and competent and engaging, the problem is that Shearer isn’t.

        What is your feeble excuse for Mr. Bumble’s inept performance on the housing issue? Did DC get him stoned and put pebbles in his mouth?

        • The Fan Club 32.2.1.1

          Yeah conference still didn’t pass a rule change calling for a February spill no matter what. That’s not spin, that’s fact.

          • One Tāne Huna 32.2.1.1.1

            What is your feeble excuse for Mr. Bumble’s inept performance on the housing issue?

      • chrissy 32.2.2

        Good answers Fan Club; now at least we can talk!

        The system triggering once the caucus have lost confidence: I think we were always in exceptional times with this first vote. The question now should be, not how do things operate under normal circumstances (which these werent), but what’s best for the party now. In future, the caucus will be necessarily much more under the influence of the party in general; and will I think be more, not less responsive to popular opinion around leadership, and less likely (am I just an optimist?) to close shop around a situation large chunks of the party are not happy with.

        In terms, then, of what’s best for the party now, I see mostly upside there: a couple months of excitement and genuine debate with people engaged, building to an open contest, versus a long, awful and maybe unending spiral of recrimination. Unless, of course, we look like a winning team in a few months, in which case you will be totally vindicated.

        The conference vote: The conference vote was twisted on several fronts: short termism, almost certainly, as Andrew Little put it. And conference didnt/ couldnt foresee this mess: if there were a conference vote tomorrow, I suspect it would be rather different! But conference certainly voted for more democracy, not less: this solution gives it to them. 90% of conference thought somewhere between forty and fifty percent was about right, under normal circumstances. Under these circumstances, knowing what is known now, who is to say they wouldnt have voted for a February spill? Half probably wanted one in Feb on partisan grounds, and thought they were getting it by voting for 40%: thinking maybe that 40% would be enough, but that a straight spill vote would have been too blatant a vote of no confidence in the leader. So the automatic February spill was never really an option for the conference vote, when it took place. But now, it’s a genuine option, and I hope it’s being carefully considered.

        Perversion of intent of the rules for D Cunliffe? The intent of the rules was balance, stability and democracy, which is what a vote would give us. I really think everyone is going to win out of this. There is lots of talent there to choose from, and I am not at all certain Mr Cunliffe would be the major/ only beneficiary. Not at all. I think he would make a great contribution to the debate, but there is a great deal more to Labour than David Cunliffe or any single person: or any person or group of people feeling threatened.

        I think I understand the fear in caucus, though. And that fear, I fear, may win the day. But fear of that kind was never a good reason to pull back from doing the right thing. Fear like that needs courage, not, forgive me, excuses.

        So tell me, why is the vote not the best possible solution under the current circumstances?

        • The Fan Club 32.2.2.1

          Because (a) we did agree that if 60% + of MPs were happy with a leader, they could keep that leader. That’s what conference said when explicitly talking about the spill in Feb coming. Anything else is Cunliffe looking for yet. another. do-over.

          So that’s my first objection: it’s a procedural one.

          My second objection is more pragmatic — do we want the first months of 2013 dominated by leadership speculation? Do we want Labour to be the party that can’t even pick a leader and stick with them?

          • chrissy 32.2.2.1.1

            Cheers Fan Club.

            “Anything else is Cunliffe looking for yet. another. do-over.” Individuals do matter, but it’s a shame to me that for some folk this is all it comes down to. “ANYTHING else?” No, I think you are simply wrong there. It’s the triumph, to me, of the wrong kinds of things (mistrust, faction, fear) over the right ones. Voters out there hate that: and they respect courage, conviction, the greater good.

            Procedurally, ok, who is going to argue: but it’s a lawyer’s justice, the letter of the law, and not the spirit.

            I am afraid you are going to be wrong on the last point too. Remember how the last spill energised people, drew them in. I think we’d see a huge influx of new people wanting a say, as well as lots of those sloping off now to the left looking over their shoulder, and re-engaging.

            Done in the right spirit, it would be a triumph for the Labour party, and a great demonstration of how determined we are to unite behind a leader we all chose. It’s pretty hard to imagine many complaints after that kind of process had created a winner. Without that, we may well end up stuck in complaintsville, not just for 6 weeks in February, but for most of 2014.

            Enough from me on this. I’ve had my say. Thanks all for engaging.

          • AmaKiwi 32.2.2.1.2

            A Feb. leadership contest would be great for the LP. Members will turn out in droves to hear the traveling road show. There will be huge media coverage for a month.

            Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama competed across the country for a year. 4 months after Clinton conceded the Democrats took the White House in a landslide.

            A leadership contest in February will revive the Labour party, irrespective of whom the candidates are.

  33. Craig Glen Eden 33

    Great post lprent. I have thought the same thing now with regards to my party vote. This Labour caucus has so lost the plot that they can have the prize. What they dont understand is not only will my party vote go Green at the next election I wont be putting up and signs, doing any sign waving or leaflet drops, no donations, no mall walks, no more Avondale market campaigns. This caucus is so arrogant and the bullying by some is quite despicable.

    Chrissy is also right we should have a all up Party vote in February, not just the caucus.

  34. David H 34

    And excellent post. And yes I will also be voting Green this election. As I figure the ‘caucus’ will vote to ignore yet another rule change where as Members don’t get a vote till 2014. Personally that is NOT good enough. It has to be Feburary to finally have What we wanted when Helen stood down, a democratically elected leader. Not a stooge for the Dinosaurs.

  35. Tiresias 35

    I’ve given the Greens my party vote in every general election since 1996.

    I have also be visiting The Standard pretty much every day since I discovered it back in late 2007 for its commentary on Labour and the Left, hoping to see some sign of coherence and committment at a political level that might pursuade me to ‘return to the fold’.

    All I’ve seen is constant bickering, in-fighting, confusion over directions and values, and squabbling over the best way to use capitalism to achieve vaguely socialist ends while ameliorating its worst excesses.

    Shearer or Cunliffe? I don’t give a damn. Neither has any vision, nor any ideas as to how to stop the world going to hell in a handbasket beyond tinkering ineffectually at the margins. The Left? To the extent it is represented by contributors to The Standard it’s either still stumbling along behind the Jarrow marchers or stuck in some ivory tower somewhere with a bookshelf that starts with Marx and ends with “The ragged trousered Philanthropists”.

    I don’t agree with the Greens on everything but as a party, a movement, a idea it is the future and those who stand for it, who ask for my vote to represent it, are committed to working for change rather than for a self-serving status-quo which the present Labout caucus is as keen to preserve as is National.

  36. Delia 36

    Well called Jenny K.

  37. Sam 37

    I’d be interested to know why you didn’t support The Alliance in the glory years, say just before 1999? Seems they would have fit nicely in your criteria (at that time).

    • lprent 37.1

      Seems pretty obvious to me and probably to you if you think about it.

      The Alliance were a coalition with explicit divisions between the parties and even within New Labour. Consequently it wasn’t very well run with a degree of short-term thinking caused by factionalization that eventually blew up. This was obvious to any observer of the politics at the time from the time of their formation to when they disintegrated. If you look over the history of coalition parties both here and overseas, then you find that tends to happen far more often than any kind of long-term stability happening.

      I value coherent long-term thinking and competence in political parties above abstractions like ideology because those things tend to bring better results over the decades for the citizens of this country. The Alliance never displayed neither and predictably blew up after an obscenely short time.

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  • Will an inquiry make it all better?
    So far, the Dirty Politics book has generated two inquiries. The first is into the release  of information from the SIS to a certain blogger whom we don't name. The second is into Judith Collins' alleged involvement with an alleged...
    Pundit | 01-09
  • We Play Dirty at the Climate Talks Too: New Zealand’s Dirty Politics of C...
    This guest post is by David Tong, an Auckland based community lawyer working on his Master’s in Law on the UN climate talks. He chairs the P3 Foundation and co-chairs the Aotearoa New Zealand Human Rights Lawyers Association, and last...
    Hot Topic | 01-09
  • The trouble with liars
    A group of habitual liars try to get their story straight....
    Imperator Fish | 01-09
  • Photo of the day: Mitre 10′s bike parking
    The other weekend I went to the Mitre 10 Mega in Wairau Road to pick up some building supplies. To my surprise, they’ve put in a bike rack near the store entrance. I’m not sure how much use it’s going...
    Transport Blog | 01-09
  • TEU VICTORIA UNIVERSITY BRANCH NEWSLETTER – SEPTEMBER 2014
      TEU Victoria University Branch Newsletter – September 2014 In this issue: AGM-a-calling: Welcome from the Branch President Ask them Anything: TEU Presidential Election Election Special: Union members could make the difference Election Special: 3 Reasons to Vote Bringing Back Dignity:...
    Tertiary Education Union | 01-09
  • Stumbling towards Power?
    Let's be honest about it.  Labour have absolutely nothing to celebrate just now.The last few days have been fantastic for the left and in particular for a certain Mr D Cunliffe.  But before we get too deliriously joyous, let's face...
    Left hand palm | 01-09
  • Will the police investigate?
    John Key is busy putting together an inquiry into Judith Collins' attempt to undermined SFO Chief Executive Adam Feeley. The effectiveness of any inquiry will ultimately depend on its terms of reference, and the signs are not good; Key looks...
    No Right Turn | 01-09
  • Dirty Politics symposium on Friday
    Otago University will be holding an online symposium this Friday on "Debating 'Dirty Politics': Media, Politics and Law". Andrew Geddis has more details on the agenda: 1:00-1:15: Opening interview with Mr Nicky Hager 1:15-2:05: Media panel with Dr Rosemary Overell;...
    No Right Turn | 01-09
  • Debating “Dirty Politics”: Media, Politics and Law
    Love it or loathe it, Nicky Hager's Dirty Politics and its aftermath has lit a fire under our perception of "politics as usual" in New Zealand. Exactly how all that plays out come September 20th is an as yet unknown...
    Pundit | 01-09
  • More British collusion in torture
    This time in Nepal, where they funded, equipped and supported a regime torture-squad:British authorities have been accused of funding a four-year intelligence operation in Nepal that led to Maoist rebels being arrested, tortured and killed during the country’s civil war....
    No Right Turn | 01-09
  • August ’14 – NZ blogs sitemeter ranking
      Bloggers in the thick of election campaign? Image Credit: Against the Current PLEASE NOTE: Sitemeter is playing up again making it impossible to automatically get the stats using the normal process. I have done a manual work around but it was...
    Open Parachute | 01-09
  • What Collins’ resignation means for journalism & the campaign
    Isn't it curious how often major scandals end in farce and how often it really is cock-up rather than conspiracy? Judith Collins' fate was decided in the end by friendly fire, an accident of one of her own. And it...
    Pundit | 01-09
  • Chalk one up to Cactus Kate
    People must be getting the correct impression about now that Cameron Slater and Cathy Odger’s aren’t the smartest of bloggers.Not only have we learnt that Slater is just a simple copy and paste hack, the leaked emails show that he's...
    The Jackal | 01-09
  • R.I.P Ashburton shooting victims
    Thoughts go to the families. Everyone else around Ashburton – Stay Safe, gunman is still loose! ...
    An average kiwi | 01-09
  • EQC advertises for National
    Yesterday, EQC ran a double page spread in the Sunday Star-Times, timed for the fourth anniversary of the 2010 quake. The ad focused on lessons learned and earthquake preparedness, but part of it was about what a great job EQC...
    No Right Turn | 01-09
  • According to Slater and ‘Cactus Kate’ Gay People are “F*****g Gross...
    In the latest release of ‘alleged emails’ between National Party affiliated Right Wing BloggersCameron Slater (Racist Adulterous Blogger – WhaleOil) and the other Right Wing Blogger, ‘Cactus Kate’, anti-homosexual comments are commonly made between them. One comment by Cactus Kate...
    An average kiwi | 01-09
  • The Food Industry’s Three Essential Soundbites
    When their backs are against the wall, the Food Industry usually pull out one of three soundbites. Each of these soundbites appear sensible on their own, but when you take them as a package, it becomes clear that they are...
    Gareth’s World | 01-09
  • Urban Farm Vehicles
    Wow who knew there were so many farms in Remuera or have some locals just started taking the term Remuera Tractor a bit too literally. Motorists are evading hundreds of dollars in vehicle licensing fees by incorrectly registering their cars as...
    Transport Blog | 01-09
  • Why Is John Key Not Compelled to Give Evidence Under Oath?
    I have today sent an open letter to the Inspector-General of Intelligence and Security to ask why Mr Key is not required to attend her inquiry and to give evidence under oath.  The letter is attached. Dear Inspector-General, I was...
    Bryan Gould | 01-09
  • Vega Auriga should be detained in New Zealand until problems fixed
    Maritime Union of New Zealand National Secretary Joe Fleetwood says that the ship Vega Auriga should be detained in a New Zealand port until it is deemed seaworthy and crew issues have been fixed....
    MUNZ | 31-08
  • Judith Collins and Me: A familiar story
    It dates back to 2005, another election year. And as one of those responsible for seminars for the School of Government and the Institute of Policy Studies at Victoria University of Wellington I assisted with the organisation of two pre-election forums...
    Pundit | 31-08
  • New Fisk
    Isis isn’t the first group to use the butcher’s knife as an instrument of policy. Nor will it be the last...
    No Right Turn | 31-08
  • Labour looks to long-life passports, gambling harm review
    A return to 10 year passports and a review of gambling laws are highlights of Labour’s Internal Affairs policy released today. “More than 15,000 New Zealanders signed a petition calling on the Government to revert to the 10 year system...
    Labour | 02-09
  • MANA Movement Leadership stands strong behind Internet MANA relationship
    “There is now, and always will be, a range of views about many issues within our movement and members are free to express them, but Georgina’s views on Kim Dotcom are not shared by the MANA Movement leadership or the vast majority...
    Mana | 01-09
  • Rebuilding the New Zealand Defence Force
    A Labour Government will make it a priority to rebuild the capacity of the Defence Force to carry out the tasks expected of it, says Labour’s Defence Spokesperson Phil Goff. Releasing Labour’s Defence Policy today he said the NZDF has...
    Labour | 01-09
  • Speech to Canterbury Chamber of Commerce
    Today I'm going to talk about our policy package to upgrade and grow our economy and how we turn that growth into a foundation for a decent and fair society. But first I want to address the issue of our...
    Labour | 01-09
  • Commission of Inquiry must have bipartisan support
    The Labour Party is drafting terms of reference for a Commission of Inquiry, Labour’s Shadow Attorney-General David Parker says. “It is abundantly clear there is a need for an independent Commission of Inquiry, chaired by a High Court Judge, into...
    Labour | 01-09
  • Rapid Transit to unclog Christchurch
    Labour will build a 21st century Rapid Transit system for Christchurch, says Labour Leader David Cunliffe. “The long delayed recovery of Christchurch hinges on a modern commuter system for the city. “We will invest $100 million in a modern rail plan...
    Labour | 31-08
  • Labour’s commitment to public broadcasting
    A Labour Government will set up a working group to re-establish a public service television station as part of our commitment to ensuring New Zealand has high quality free-to-air local content. “We will set up a working group to report...
    Labour | 31-08
  • A new deal for the conservation estate
    The health of our economy depends on New Zealand preserving and restoring our land, air, water and indigenous wildlife, says Labour’s Conservation spokesperson Ruth Dyson. Announcing Labours Conservation policy, she said that there will be a comprehensive plan to restore...
    Labour | 31-08
  • Labour’s plan to end homelessness
    Labour has a comprehensive approach to end homelessness starting with the provision of emergency housing for 1000 people each year and putting an end to slum conditions in boarding houses, Labour Leader David Cunliffe says. “Labour believes that homelessness is not...
    Labour | 30-08
  • Labour: A smarter approach to justice
    A Labour Government will improve the justice system to ensure it achieves real public safety, provides equal access to justice and protects human rights, Labour’s Justice spokesperson Andrew Little says. “Our approach is about tackling the root causes of crime, recognising...
    Labour | 29-08
  • Labour to foster Kiwi love of sport and the great outdoors
    A Labour Government will promote physical activity, back our top athletes and help foster Kiwis’ love of the great outdoors by upgrading tramping and camping facilities. Trevor Mallard today released Labour’s sports and recreation policy which will bring back a...
    Labour | 29-08
  • Pacific languages recognised under Labour
    Labour will act to recognise the five main Pacific languages in New Zealand including through the education system, said Pacific Affairs spokesperson Su’a William Sio. Announcing Labour’s Pacific Island policy he said that there must be a strong commitment to...
    Labour | 29-08
  • No healthy economy without a healthy environment
    Labour recognises that we cannot have a healthy economy without a healthy environment, says Environment spokesperson Moana Mackey announcing Labour’s environment policy. “New Zealand’s economy has been built on the back of the enormous environmental wealth we collectively enjoy as...
    Labour | 28-08
  • Better protection, fairer deal for Kiwi consumers
    Tackling excessive prices, ensuring consumers have enough information to make ethical choices and giving the Commerce Commission more teeth are highlights of Labour’s Consumer Rights policy. “The rising cost of living is a concern for thousands of Kiwi families. A...
    Labour | 28-08
  • Media Advisory – MANA Movement Candidate for Waiariki Annette Sykes, Waia...
    Media are advised that this coming weekend, the MANA Movement Candidate for Waiariki, Annette Sykes, will be on the Internet MANA Road Trip within the electorate of Waiariki. Speakers confirmed are Annette Sykes, Hone Harawira, John Minto, Laila Harre and Kim...
    Mana | 27-08
  • Internet MANA – Waiariki Road Trip: 29, 30, 31 Aug 2014
    The Internet MANA Road Trip hits Waiariki this weekend. It would be great if all MANA members in Waiariki could especially attend the public meetings and show their support for our Waiariki candidate Annette Sykes. Confirmed speakers Hone Harawira (except Taupo), Annette...
    Mana | 27-08
  • First home buyers $200 a week better off with Labour
    A couple earning around $75,000 a year would be $200 a week better off buying a two bedroom terraced Labour KiwiBuild home instead of an equivalent new build under National’s housing policy, says Labour Leader David Cunliffe.  “National’s policy to...
    Labour | 26-08
  • Another Day – Another big power profit
    The latest profit announcement from Genesis Energy shows that the power company was sold for a song to the detriment of the country’s power consumers, says Labour’s Energy spokesperson David Shearer. “A net profit of $ 49.2 million follows hard...
    Labour | 26-08
  • Labour embraces the rainbow
    Labour will work hard to ensure all New Zealanders enjoy the freedom to grow up and live their lives in dignity and security. Labour’s Rainbow policy, released tonight in Wellington, focuses on International Relations, Human Rights and Education....
    Labour | 26-08
  • National gets fast and loose with the facts
    In their desperation to make it look as though they are doing something about the housing crisis, National is playing fast and loose with the facts, says Labour’s housing spokesperson Phil Twyford....
    Labour | 26-08
  • Labour will drop power prices for Kiwi families
    New Zealanders will get cheaper power prices under NZ Power, says Labour Leader David Cunliffe. “The electricity market is clearly broken. With falling demand for electricity, prices should be going down. Instead prices are going up and companies are extracting...
    Labour | 26-08
  • Labour: Promoting sustainable tourism
    Ensuring New Zealand’s clean, green status continues to be an international tourism benchmark and reviewing MBIE’s oversight of the tourism sector will be on the radar under a Labour Government. Releasing Labour’s Tourism policy today, spokesperson Darien Fenton said tourism...
    Labour | 26-08
  • Skills shortage a result of National’s complacency
    The fact that there is still a severe shortage of skilled tradespeople, despite a growth in the number of apprentices, is a result of National’s failure to plan and develop the workforce, Grant Robertson, Labour Employment, Skills and TrainingSpokesperson says."The...
    Labour | 26-08
  • How much tax does John Key pay compared to a minimum wage worker?? – Mint...
    MANA Movement Economic Justice spokesperson John Minto is calling for a radical overhaul of New Zealand’s taxation system with calculations showing that a minimum wage worker pays a ten times higher tax rate than the Prime Minister. o Minimum wage...
    Mana | 25-08
  • Labour’s culture of science and innovation
    Labour will create a culture of science and innovation in New Zealand that will be the envy of the world, says Labour’s Innovation, Research and Development spokesperson Megan Woods. “Labour believes that good science lies at the heart of a...
    Labour | 25-08
  • Improving life for our new New Zealanders
    New Zealand’s international standing as a community that encourages and fosters all cultures will be bolstered under a Labour Government with an upgrade of the present Office of Ethnic Affairs to a Ministry. Releasing Labour’s Ethnic Affairs policy, spokesperson Phil...
    Labour | 25-08
  • South Auckland housing crisis
    National’s HomeStart package is nothing more than a political stunt designed to beguile South Auckland voters, said Labour’s Pacific Affairs spokesperson Su’a William Sio. “Few working Pasifika and Maori workers in South Auckland will be able to buy their own...
    Labour | 25-08
  • Home buyer subsidy discredited in Oz
    Treasury advised against National’s policy of ramping up home buyer subsidies after it was discredited in Australia because it pushed house prices even higher, Labour’s Housing spokesperson Phil Twyford says. “Documents released under the OIA (attached) show Treasury advised the...
    Labour | 25-08
  • Nursing hours explain turnover and high-stress culture
    A staff survey supports concerns nursing staff at Dunedin Hospital are under increasing pressure and that the emergency department is in a critical state, says Labour’s Associate Health Spokesperson David Clark.  “An ED nursing survey at Dunedin found that 80...
    Labour | 24-08
  • Underhand tactics prove case for axing donations
    Revelations that schools are using underhand tactics to coerce donations from cash-strapped parents further highlights the need for Labour's plan to increase funding so they aren't dependent on contributions from parents, Labour's Education spokesperson Chris Hipkins says. “By law New...
    Labour | 24-08
  • National applies band-aid to housing crisis
    The Government’s flagship housing announcement is a band-aid approach that will push up prices rather than solve the housing crisis, says Labour Leader David Cunliffe. “House sales to first home buyers have collapsed as a direct result of the Government’s...
    Labour | 24-08
  • Climate change focus on the now for the future
    A Labour Governmentwill put in place a comprehensive climate change strategy focusing on bothmitigation and adaptation, establish an independent Climate Commission andimplement carbon budgeting, says Labour Climate Change spokesperson MoanaMackey."This is about future-proofing our economy. Making the transition to alow-carbon...
    Labour | 24-08
  • Labour’s 21st century transport pledge
    The next Labour-led Government will create a 21st century transport system for New Zealand that promotes the most efficient and sustainable combination of transport options, says Labour’s Transport spokesperson Phil Twyford. “Labour will rebalance the Government's transport spending away from...
    Labour | 23-08
  • Housing under National: the facts
    1.       House prices in Auckland Council valuations indicate Auckland house prices have gone up by one-third over the last three years. (Auckland Council) The average Auckland house price has gone up by nearly $225,000 since 2008, up over $75,000 in...
    Labour | 23-08
  • Labour irons out low income tax issue
    The increasing casualisation of work has led to many New Zealand families being disadvantaged through the tax they pay, Labour Leader David Cunliffe says. "Many low paid workers are having to work two or three jobs to make ends meet...
    Labour | 22-08
  • Cornered Government comes out swinging
    The National Government is so desperate to keep its dead-in-the-water expert teachers policy alive, it has refused to rule out forcing schools to participate through legislation, Labour’s Education spokesperson Chris Hipkins says. “John Key today attacked the Educational Institute for...
    Labour | 22-08
  • Pacific people continue to go backwards under National
    A report from Victoria University highlights the fact that Pacific people are continuing to go backwards under a National Government, said Labour’s Pacific Affairs spokesperson Su’a William Sio.  “The report shows the largest inequality increases were in smoking, obesity, tertiary...
    Labour | 22-08
  • Wellington transport plan needs to keep moving
    The failure of the Transport Agency to properly look at alternatives to the Basin Reserve flyover is not a good reason for further delays to improving transport in Wellington, Labour MPs Grant Robertson and Annette King say. “The Board of...
    Labour | 22-08
  • Labour’s focus on inequality, kids and better job prospects
    Tackling child poverty and removing barriers to people working part time to enhance their prospects of moving into a fulltime job are highlights of Labour’s Social Development policy. Releasing the policy today, spokesperson Sue Moroney said while part-time work was...
    Labour | 21-08
  • Political staff should give answers under oath
    The Inspector General of Security and Intelligence should use her full statutory powers to question witnesses under oath about the leak of SIS information, says Labour MP Phil Goff. “Leakage of confidential information from the SIS for political purposes is...
    Labour | 21-08
  • High dollar, hands-off Govt sends workers to dole queue
    The loss of up to 100 jobs at Croxley stationery in Auckland is devastating news for their families and the local Avondale community, Labour’s Employment, Skills and Training spokesperson Grant Robertson says. “The company’s inability to compete in international markets...
    Labour | 21-08
  • National’s flagship education policy dead in the water
    National’s plan to create executive principals and expert teachers is effectively dead in the water with news that 93 percent of primary teachers have no confidence in the scheme, Labour’s Education spokesperson Chris Hipkins says. “The fact that teachers are...
    Labour | 21-08
  • Dunedin will be a knowledge and innovation centre under Labour
    Dunedin will become a knowledge and innovation centre under a Labour Government that will back local businesses, support technology initiatives and fund dynamic regional projects, Labour Leader David Cunliffe says. “Nowhere has the National Government’s short-sightedness been more apparently than...
    Labour | 21-08
  • Inquiry into SIS disclosures the right decision
    Labour MP Phil Goff says the Inspector-General of Intelligence and Security has done the right thing by launching an inquiry into the disclosure of SIS documents about a meeting between himself and the agency’s former director-general. “This inquiry is necessary...
    Labour | 20-08
  • Labour – supporting and valuing carers and the cared for
    Placing real value on our elderly and the people who care for them will be a priority for a Labour Government, Labour Leader David Cunliffe says. Releasing Labour’s Senior Citizens policy today David Cunliffe promised that a Labour Government would...
    Labour | 20-08
  • By Hoki! It’s Labour’s fisheries policy
    A Labour Government will protect the iconic Kiwi tradition of fishing by improving access to the coast, protecting the rights of recreational fishers and reviewing snapper restrictions, Labour’s Fisheries spokesperson Damien O’Connor says. “Catching a fish from the rocks, beach...
    Labour | 20-08
  • Mighty River – Mighty Profits – Mighty hard to swallow
    Mighty River Power’s profit increase of 84 per cent is simply outrageous, says Labour’s Energy spokesperson David Shearer. “Demand for electricity is flat or declining yet the company has made enormous profits. It is the latest power company to celebrate...
    Labour | 19-08
  • Collins’ actions were wrong, not unwise
    John Key’s moral compass remains off-kilter as he cannot bring himself to declare Judith Collins’ actions outright wrong, not simply ‘unwise’, said Labour MP Grant Robertson. “Under pressure John Key is finally shifting his stance but his failure to condemn...
    Labour | 19-08
  • Public servants behaving with more integrity than their masters
    The State Services Commission's new report on the integrity of our state services reflects the yawning gap between the behaviour of public servants and that of their political masters, Labour's State Services spokesperson Maryan Street says. “This report, which surveyed...
    Labour | 19-08
  • Phil Twyford Speech to NZCID
    "Labour's plan to build more and build better: how new approaches to housing, transport and urban development will deliver cities that work" Phil Twyford, Labour Party spokesperson on housing, transport, Auckland issues, and cities.  ...
    Labour | 19-08
  • Soz Cam – PaknSave boycott of whaleoil continues – time to start a boyc...
    Cam is so carcinogenic now, not even his mates in the Tobacco Industry are talking to him any longer. I suspect only the Israeli Defence Force propaganda department are paying for content on whaleoil now. Cam says that PaknSave have dropped their problems...
    The Daily Blog | 02-09
  • The Rock Fuels NZ Roastbuster Rape Culture
    This is making me feel pretty uncomfortable. Here we have an instance of Jono and Ben posing like “exposed celebrities”. But do you know what I’m seeing? I’m seeing two dudes who basically “roasted” a woman online (exposed pictures of...
    The Daily Blog | 02-09
  • GUEST BLOG: Kate Davis – Why beneficiaries need advocacy
    There are times when I am wrong. I was wrong recently when someone suggested to me that AAAP should be eligible for government funding to continues its advocacy work. That was before. Before dealing with advocacy on a weekly basis...
    The Daily Blog | 01-09
  • TheDailyBlog September Political Poll Has Been Kicked Off
    The Daily Blog’s August poll has concluded and the September poll has been kicked off, asking readers: What party will you likely vote for at this year’s General Election? You will see this month’s poll in the right-hand sidebar of...
    The Daily Blog | 01-09
  • GUEST BLOG: Kelly Ellis – Jamie Whyte, leave that poor seal alone!
    Worse than showing mere lip service to Rainbow inclusion, ACT leader Jamie Whyte showed stunning arrogance when appeared at a candidates debate on rainbow issues hosted by the Auckland University Students’ Association last Thursday. The stunning hypocrisy was evident as...
    The Daily Blog | 01-09
  • Right wing can’t help but use scum
    Some people have been shocked that the traditional right wing party in New Zealand politics is so deeply embedded with scum like the blogger Whale Oil. We need not be so surprised. It takes a certain type to support the...
    The Daily Blog | 01-09
  • EXCLUSIVE: National’s Ohariu candidate admits contact by Simon Lusk
    . . Wellington, NZ, 31  August – At a meet-the-candidates public meeting in the Rongotai Electorate, National’s Ohariu candidate, Brett Hudson, confirmed that he had been approached by “a mate”, who passed on a message from  National Party operative, Simon...
    The Daily Blog | 01-09
  • Coalition for Better Broadcasting – Auckland Broadcasting Debate 2014
    Coalition for Better Broadcasting – Auckland Broadcasting Debate 2014...
    The Daily Blog | 01-09
  • Petition for Governor General of New Zealand to Investigate all the allegat...
      Now we see the inquiry will be a whitewash, that is secret, won’t be consulted with the Opposition, will have limited scope and will ignore Nicky Hager’s book, we must demand the Governor General step in and demand an...
    The Daily Blog | 01-09
  • Ashburton, 1 September 2014
    I NEVER WENT BACK to Aramoana after the killing. I had been a frequent visitor to the tiny seaside village back in the late 1970s and throughout the 80s. Its tall cliffs and broad beaches providing a colourful backdrop to...
    The Daily Blog | 01-09
  • Checkmate in 1 move – how could Slater have known what was in OIA request...
    And now we get down to the final few moves before checkmate. If the following investigation is right, how could Slater and Collins have known what was in the Secret Intelligence Service Official Information Act request that hadn’t been released...
    The Daily Blog | 01-09
  • The Edge Posts Naked Photos Of Jennifer Lawrence Without Consent
    Today the Edge website – owned by Media Works – published fully naked photographs of Jennifer Lawrence without her consent. It is not OK to publish naked media of any woman without her consent, full stop. It is absolutely disgusting...
    The Daily Blog | 01-09
  • Bomber, Laila and Maggie – a highlight from Auckland Broadcasting Debate ...
    Bomber, Laila and Maggie – a highlight from Auckland Broadcasting Debate 2014...
    The Daily Blog | 01-09
  • Jeremy Wells’ Mike Hosking rant on Radio Hauraki: Today, how good was I i...
    Jeremy Wells’ Mike Hosking on Radio Hauraki...
    The Daily Blog | 31-08
  • Maggie Barry slags Laila Harre & blogger, audience erupt
    The Coalition for Better Broadcasting held their public meeting in Auckland last night and it became a fiery shouting match when Maggie Barry decided to slag Laila Harre and me off. 250 people packed into the Pioneer Hall off High...
    The Daily Blog | 31-08
  • It has to be a full independent public inquiry and Key MUST front
      You know things are bad when images like this start appearing in the media.  It isn’t a ‘left wing conspiracy’ to point out the over whelming evidence of what is clearly a right wing conspiracy! If it looks like a conspiracy, sounds like a conspiracy...
    The Daily Blog | 31-08
  • Political Party social media stats – National playing Dirty Politics on s...
    Interesting data from friend of the blog, Marty Stewart, on social media likes and it shows an interesting question that post Dirty Politics should probably get asked…   …it’s interesting that Key has so many personal followers.  One wonders if...
    The Daily Blog | 31-08
  • The depth of the National rot and the compliance of our news media
    I’m so tired. Aren’t you? I don’t want to read the news anymore. It’s awful and I feel ashamed of it. We live in a country that people all over the world would give an arm, a leg; their life...
    The Daily Blog | 31-08
  • Conservative Party candidate links smacking ban with suicide, sexually tran...
    If Chemtrails, faked moon landings and climate change denial weren’t enough, welcome to your new Minister for Spanking,  Edward Saafi... The anti-smacking law is to blame for youth suicide, youth prostitution and even sexually-transmitted infections, a leading Conservative party candidate...
    The Daily Blog | 31-08
  • A brief word on the canonisation of Matthew Hooton
    Before we all start the canonisation of Matthew Hooton, let’s consider some home truths here shall we? While the Wellington Ruminator Blog, the blog who was previously mates with Judith Collins, now seems to have a crush on Matthew Hooton… …I...
    The Daily Blog | 31-08
  • A brief word on undercover cops in bars
    Dunedin police booze operation labelled ‘creepy’ Undercover police officers drank in Dunedin bars as part of an operation targeting liquor licensing offences. While police said the inaugural operation was a success — with most bars found compliant — the Hospitality...
    The Daily Blog | 31-08
  • Judith Collins press conference
    Judith Collins press conference...
    The Daily Blog | 31-08
  • GUEST BLOG: Angry Lawyer – Collins, Odgers, Williams and legal ethics
    We deserve better lawyers than Judith Collins Three of the worst offenders exposed in Dirty Politics are lawyers: Judith Collins, Cathy Odgers, and Jordan Williams. What Nicky Hager exposed them doing would be out of line for anyone, but from...
    The Daily Blog | 31-08
  • GUEST BLOG: Pat O’Dea – Necessary Defence
    Increasingly climate change is becoming the main fracture line between political parties. Where political parties stand on climate change defines political parties and movements like no other issue. The Mana Movement like the Maori Party it sprang from, came out...
    The Daily Blog | 31-08
  • Why it is all over for John Key
    Image: Melanie D I’ve been confident that National will lose this election and that our focus should be on what a progressive Government needs to establish as its agenda in the first 100 days. Past that point, the establishment pushes back...
    The Daily Blog | 31-08
  • A brief word to everyone who voted National in 2011
    I received this interesting email from a National Party supporter today… …let me say this to anyone who voted National last election – you should be ashamed by what has been revealed and what your vote ended up enabling but...
    The Daily Blog | 31-08
  • EXCLUSIVE: Déjà Vu All Over Again: John Ansell confirms his participation...
      THE MAN BEHIND the Iwi-Kiwi billboards that very nearly won the 2005 election for Don Brash and the National Party has confirmed his involvement in businessman John Third’s and former Act MP Owen Jennings’ campaign to drive down the...
    The Daily Blog | 31-08
  • Public Broadcasting Auckland debate 6.30pm tonight now with Colin Craig &am...
    The Coalition for Better Broadcasting debate on public broadcasting happens tonight at 6.30pm in Auckland at the Pioneer Women’s Hall, High Street, Auckland City.  In the light of Dirty Politics and the manipulation of the media, public broadcasting is more important for...
    The Daily Blog | 30-08
  • Winners & Losers in Collins sacking plus what’s the latest on Slater...
      Make no mistake, there was no way this was a resignation, it’s a face saving way out for Collins, she was sacked.  My understanding is that National internal polls are haemorrhaging and that the powers that be within National...
    The Daily Blog | 30-08
  • Third party propaganda attacks incoming Labour-led government
    . . Further to a report by Daily Blogger, Chris Trotter, on receiving information regarding planned attack-billboards, the following billboard is highly visible to traffic on the southbound lane of the Wellington motorway, just prior to the Murphy St turn-off....
    The Daily Blog | 30-08
  • Labour wins the Internet
    I’m sure I’m not the only one who tried to vote online for the leaders debate and couldn’t because the website was down. The next option was the txt vote, 75c a pop of course. So I’m not surprised that...
    The Daily Blog | 30-08
  • GUEST BLOG: Anjum Rahman – Rotherham and the need to challenge willful bl...
    I haven’t been following the events in Rotterham too closely.  I’ve read about the basic issues and the culture of silence that stopped action been taken even after complaints were made.  That culture of silence is incredibly familiar, and described...
    The Daily Blog | 30-08
  • Review: Hairspray
      Oh Hairspray! What fun! Somehow I managed to miss the movie when it came out, I had no idea really what it was about though I felt it had a vague relation to High School Musical. In retrospect, that...
    The Daily Blog | 30-08
  • Mounting global pressure against Timor-Leste’s ‘death sentence’ media...
    East Timor’s José Belo … courageous fight against ‘unconstitutional’ media law.Image: © Ted McDonnell 2014 CAFÉ PACIFIC and the Pacific Media Centre Online posted challenges to the controversial ‘press law’ nine months ago when it emerged how dangerous this draft...
    The Daily Blog | 30-08
  • GUEST BLOG: Curwen Rolinson – Spies, Lies and When Campaigns Are Fried
    Like most of the rest of the nation’s political classes, I was eagerly affixed to TV One from 12:30 on Saturday afternoon to witness the downfall of Judith Collins.Whenever we witness the crumbling of a titan of the political landscape...
    The Daily Blog | 30-08
  • BREAKING: Whaleoil crushes Crusher
    Judith ends up shooting herself A new email has been released suggesting that Collins was attempting to undermine the head of Serious Fraud Office with the help of far right hate speech merchant Cameron Slater. Unbelievable!   She has been forced...
    The Daily Blog | 30-08
  • BREAKING: Rumours Judith Collins gone at lunchtime
    Brook Sabin first of the mark with rumours Judith Collins is about to resign – PM announcing a statement at 12.30pm… …Paddy follows… …Vance confirms..   …if Collins is gone by lunchtime, it will be because the PM understands the...
    The Daily Blog | 29-08
  • BREAKING: UPDATE on DIRT ALERT!
    Thanks to the information passed to Chris Trotter by “Idiot/Savant” from No Right Turn it is now possible to identify at least some of the persons involved in this latest example of attack politics. What follows is Chris’s response to Idiot/Savant’s timely assistance: Well done...
    The Daily Blog | 29-08
  • Comparing burning puppets, hip hop lyrics and drunk student chants to black...
    Watching the mainstream media try and obscure Cunliffe’s surprise win in the leaders debate  is a reminder the Press Gallery is in depressed shock. The current spin line from the Wellington bubble media in the wake of Dirty Politics is that...
    The Daily Blog | 29-08
  • Why has it all gone quiet on Charter Schools?
    They’re one of ACT’s flagship policies and the National Party have been gung ho in supporting them. So how come we’re not hearing Hekia Parata, Jamie Whyte, Catherine Isaac, et al singing from the rafters about what a resounding success charter...
    The Daily Blog | 29-08
  • Moment of Truth – September 15th – Auckland Town Hall
    Moment of Truth – September 15th – Auckland Town Hall...
    The Daily Blog | 29-08
  • EXCLUSIVE: Dirt Alert! Are the Greens and Labour about to become the target...
    WE’VE SEEN IT ALL BEFORE. In 2005 pamphlets began appearing all over New Zealand attacking Labour and the Greens. For a couple of days both the parties targeted and the news media were flummoxed. Who was behind such an obviously...
    The Daily Blog | 29-08
  • The Donghua Liu Affair: the Press Council’s decision
    . . 1. Prologue . The Donghua Liu Affair hit  the headlines on 18 June, with allegations that David Cunliffe wrote a letter in 2003,  on  behalf of  business migrant, Donghua Liu. Four days later, on Sunday 22 June, the...
    The Daily Blog | 29-08
  • The difference between Cunliffe & Key in the debate
    It was with much interest that I watched the leaders debate on Thursday night.  I watched with an open mind, always happy to have my opinion changed.  Maybe John Key is all the wonderful things that many say about him,...
    The Daily Blog | 29-08
  • GUEST BLOG: Denis Tegg – When Did We Agree To Our Data Being Shared with ...
    New shocking evidence has emerged from Edward Snowden’s trove of documents about a program called ICREACH under which data collected by the GCSB is shared with 23 US spy agencies. Under new sharing agreements which appear to have commenced immediately after...
    The Daily Blog | 28-08
  • Why Internet MANA are the best political friends the Greens could ever get
    Metiria at last nights #GreenRoomNZ: standing on the shoulders and camera cases of giants  NZers, regardless of political spectrum or apathy level, have a wonderful beach cricket egalitarianism about us. If we can objectively conclude a winner, then that person...
    The Daily Blog | 28-08
  • Sick of the Sleaze? Protest against National’s dirty politics THIS SATURD...
    Sick of the Sleaze? Protest now dammit! Three weeks before the election, action is being taken across the country voicing a rejection of the National Government’s track record and direction. Rallies are being held in Auckland, Wellington, Christchurch and Dunedin...
    The Daily Blog | 28-08
  • GUEST BLOG: Sir Edmund Thomas – Address at Nicky Hager public meeting
    I regard it as privilege to chair this public meeting. I have long had the greatest admiration for Nicky Hager’s work, and nothing I have read or heard in the media over the past week or so has caused me...
    The Daily Blog | 28-08
  • Labour and New Zealand Superannuation
    The kerfuffle in the wake of Nicky Hager’s Dirty Politics has had a detrimental impact on our discussion of economic policies. Signs are that the main beneficiaries of the dirty politics revelations will be Winston Peters and Colin Craig; certainly National suffered...
    The Daily Blog | 28-08
  • Coalition for Better Broadcasting – Mike Hosking and the Leader’s Debat...
    A few weeks ago I blogged that Mike Hosking was a terrible choice as moderator for the TV One Party Leader’s Debate, because he is so embarrassingly biased in favour of John Key. So I watched the show with curiosity,...
    The Daily Blog | 28-08
  • Winston Peters Shown up by the Civilian Party
    Even the satirical 'Civilian Party' has now offered the Taxpayers’ Union more credible figures for the ' Bribe-O-Meter ' than Winston Peters’ New Zealand First. The Taxpayers’ Union Bribe-O-Meter now includes, National, Labour, the Greens,...
    Scoop politics | 02-09
  • Further criminal investigation into CTV Building collapse
    Police has today confirmed it will be advancing the criminal investigation into the collapse of the CTV building in February 2011....
    Scoop politics | 02-09
  • Greens policy to restore link between effort and reward
    The Green Party’s new workers policy articulates an alternative to wage repression and job insecurity based on restoring the link between effort and reward, according to FIRST Union. The core tenets of the policy include implementing an $18 minimum...
    Scoop politics | 02-09
  • Greens workers policy supported by union movement
    The CTU is supporting the Green Party’s policy launched today focused on improving life for working New Zealanders. “This policy shows the Greens commitment to collective bargaining as the best and fairest way to improve workers terms and conditions. It...
    Scoop politics | 02-09
  • Research Scholarships for Cannabis Treatments
    Medical cannabis research will be boosted by $140 million if the Aotearoa Legalise Cannabis Party is elected on September 20. Pediatric epilepsy treatment will be one of the main priorities for the research scholarships....
    Scoop politics | 01-09
  • Ngai Te Rangi Change to Tribal Elections
    Ngai Te Rangi has begun a postal vote of beneficiaries to change the way representatives are elected to the two Ngai Te Rangi tribal organisations....
    Scoop politics | 01-09
  • Greens’ commitment to pay equity welcomed by workers
    The Public Service Association (PSA) says the 58,000 workers they represent will benefit from the announcement by the Green Party of a commitment to pay equity and to a living wage for core public servants and contractors....
    Scoop politics | 01-09
  • Real People Powering Real Policy
    New Zealanders from all walks of life have helped the Internet Party create a full platform of strong, progressive and realistic policies that will create a better future for everyone, says leader Laila Harré....
    Scoop politics | 01-09
  • University of Canterbury to help with forestry safety
    The University of Canterbury is to launch a new research project to make sure New Zealand’s new forestry roads are safe and are established with minimal environmental impact....
    Scoop politics | 01-09
  • Time to get serious about ending homelessness!
    New Zealand needs a comprehensive set of policies that address the housing and support needs of homeless people as well as significantly increasing the supply of affordable, good quality houses and flats....
    Scoop politics | 01-09
  • Hundreds to join domestic, sexual violence march
    Several social service providers from across New Zealand have come together to call for an end to the epidemic level of domestic and sexual violence in New Zealand....
    Scoop politics | 01-09
  • Students helped with debt repayments
    New Zealand students now living in Australia are being reminded not to ignore their student loan debt as Inland Revenue expands its latest tool to help with repayments....
    Scoop politics | 01-09
  • Launch of GenderNeutral.co.nz website
    GenderNeutral.co.nz are excited to announce the launch of their new website, GenderNeutral.co.nz ....
    Scoop politics | 01-09
  • Factory farming debaters to look chicken in the eye
    MPs participating in a panel discussion about factory farming will come face-to-face with a real live hen, rescued from the claws of the intensive farming industry. Hettie the Hen will demonstrate to the MPs what little space is afforded to...
    Scoop politics | 01-09
  • Leadership stands strong behind Internet MANA relationship
    “There is now, and always will be, a range of views about many issues within our movement and members are free to express them, but Georgina’s views on Kim Dotcom are not shared by the MANA Movement leadership or the...
    Scoop politics | 01-09
  • Personal Statement by Matthew Hooton
    Personal Statement by Matthew Hooton 1 September 2014 For Immediate Release “This morning I made comments on Radio New Zealand’s Nine to Noon programme about an attempt by staff in the Prime Minister’s Office to interfere in the appointment...
    Scoop politics | 01-09
  • The Worm turns down for John Key
    John Key struggled to coax The Worm above the line in Thursday’s Leaders Debate, according to Roy Morgan’s Reactor, the original Worm. John Key struggled to coax The Worm above the line in Thursday’s Leaders Debate, according to Roy Morgan’s...
    Scoop politics | 01-09
  • The Edge Posts Naked Photos Without Consent
    The Edge website, owned by Media Works have published fully naked photographs of Jennifer Lawrence without her consent....
    Scoop politics | 01-09
  • Statement from the Governor-General on Ashburton Shootings
    The Governor-General, Lt Gen The Rt Hon Sir Jerry Mateparae, has expressed his deep shock following the shooting of three people in Ashburton today....
    Scoop politics | 01-09
  • Update on IGIS inquiry into release of NZSIS information
    In recognition of the public interest, the Inspector-General of Intelligence and Security, Cheryl Gwyn, took the unusual step of providing an update during the course of an inquiry and confirmed today that she would be summoning a number of individuals...
    Scoop politics | 01-09
  • An Open Government Plan developed in secrecy
    The State Services Commission sent NZ’s Open Government Action Plan to the international Open Government Partnership (OGP) Secretariat on 31 July. The countries involved in the OGP since its inception - from the UK and US to Indonesia and Brazil...
    Scoop politics | 01-09
  • KiwiRail; another year older and deeper in debt
    That is a lot of money and there are lessons that need to be learnt before we pour in another $1 billion....
    Scoop politics | 01-09
  • Fonterra China Deal Demands Safe Supply Chain
    The future success of Fonterra’s deal to sell infant formula in China [1] requires all milk it uses be safe and for Fonterra to secure its supply chain from contamination by GE DNA and pesticide residues. There is now significant...
    Scoop politics | 01-09
  • HRC praises Auckland mum for speaking out
    Race Relations Commissioner Dame Susan Devoy has praised an Auckland mother of four who went public after humiliating treatment by staff at The Warehouse....
    Scoop politics | 01-09
  • Southern DHB refers disputed issue to Serious Fraud Office
    Following advice from forensic investigation firm Beattie Varley Limited, Southern District Health Board has referred the expenditure at the centre of its long running dispute with South Link Health to the Serious Fraud Office. The parties have been...
    Scoop politics | 01-09
  • The Letter 1 September 2014
    Last night’s TVNZ Colmar Brunton poll puts the left and right 60 MPs each. United and the Maori Party say they will go with the side that gets to 61 MPs. ACT just needs just 1.3% or 28 thousand Party...
    Scoop politics | 01-09
  • Shopping Giveaway Harmless Fun For Kids
    Family First NZ is rubbishing claims by critics including Gareth Morgan that the New World ‘Little Shop’ promotion is harmful for kids, and says that kids should be allowed to be kids. “Children love acting like their parents and pretending...
    Scoop politics | 01-09
  • Red Cross launches employment service for former refugees
    New Zealand Red Cross is encouraging employers to give refugees a fresh startwith the launch of Pathways to Employment, a nationwide work assistance service....
    Scoop politics | 01-09
  • EDS welcomes Labour’s Conservation Policy
    The Environmental Defence Society has welcomed Labour’s Conservation Policy including the key objective of halting the current pattern of indigenous biodiversity decline within ten years....
    Scoop politics | 01-09
  • Poverty is falling and income inequality is not rising
    “A Roy Morgan poll shows that the issue people are most concerned about is income inequality. This just goes to show how the persistent repetition of a lie bewilders the public. Income inequality is not in fact rising. And the...
    Scoop politics | 01-09
  • Rotary NZ responding to Fiji water and sanitation issues
    Clean water and sanitation are vital to health. In Fiji Rotary New Zealand have been targeting 22 communities that are experiencing severe hardship mainly because they don’t have access to clean water for their drinking, cleaning and cooking needs....
    Scoop politics | 01-09
  • Work & Income shooting a Tragedy
    Kay Brereton speaking on behalf of the National Beneficiary Advocacy Consultancy group says; “Two people shot and another wounded, this is a tragedy and our deepest sympathy goes out to the family and whanau of the victims, as well as...
    Scoop politics | 01-09
  • 1080 Poison Deer Repellent not Effective – Farmers
    Four deer have been found dead within a farmer's bush block, after an aerial 1080 poison drop applied with deer repellent. The drop was part of a 30,000 hectare drop across the Northern Pureora Forest Park....
    Scoop politics | 01-09
  • Employment Charter will strengthen migrants’ rights
    Establishing an Employment Charter for construction companies is a critical step to strengthening the rights of migrant workers that are fast becoming the face of the Christchurch rebuild, according to an alliance of union groups. The charter has...
    Scoop politics | 01-09
  • Global March For Elephants and Rhino
    It’s a trans-national business that funds terrorist organisations, fuels conflict in Africa, and poses environmental, development and security challenges. The illegal wildlife trade is also a lucrative business, generating an estimated USD$20 billion...
    Scoop politics | 01-09
  • New series of videos aimed at disengaged youth
    From the people who brought you 'NZ Idle' (NZ's favourite web series about an artist on the dole) comes a new series about election time: Choice Lolz....
    Scoop politics | 01-09
  • Picket Of Leaders Christchurch Debate
    KEEP OUR ASSETS PICKET OF LEADERS CHRISTCHURCH DEBATE TUESDAY SEPTEMBER 2nd, 6 p.m. ST MARGARETS COLLEGE, SHREWSBURY STREET, MERIVALE...
    Scoop politics | 01-09
  • Vega Auriga should be detained in NZ until problems fixed
    Maritime Union of New Zealand National Secretary Joe Fleetwood says that the ship Vega Auriga should be detained in a New Zealand port until it is deemed seaworthy and crew issues have been fixed....
    Scoop politics | 01-09
  • Minor Parties Added to Election ‘Bribe-O-Meter’
    The Taxpayers’ Union have added the Green, ACT, United Future and Conservative Parties to the ‘ Bribe-O-Meter ’ hosted at taxpayers.org.nz . Excluding ACT and New Zealand First, the total election ‘bribes’ - that is new spending not already...
    Scoop politics | 31-08
  • Fiery Broadcasting Debate in Auckland
    Over 250 people turned out for the Auckland Broadcasting and Media Debate in Auckland City last night to hear politicians give their solutions to NZ’s media and broadcasting woes....
    Scoop politics | 31-08
  • Independent Epsom Candidate: Adam Holland
    Today I am very proud to have been nominated to run as an independent candidate by the people of Epsom in order to work hard for the people of Epsom, Mount Eden, Newmarket and Remuera....
    Scoop politics | 31-08
  • Voters favour parties with factory farming policies
    A Horizon Research poll shows that 64.7% of adults are more likely to vote for a political party with a policy against factory farming....
    Scoop politics | 31-08
  • Collins And Dirty Politics Drive The #nzpol Wordcloud
    After Judith Collins' resignation as Minister from Cabinet on Saturday, the data insight organisation Qrious collected all tweets that used the hashtag #nzpol and for approximately the 24 hours since the announcement to produced this wordcloud....
    Scoop politics | 31-08
  • Bill English: allegations against Judith Collins are serious
    Deputy Prime Minister Bill English told TV1’s Q+A programme that the allegations against Judith Collins are serious and that’s why an inquiry is needed....
    Scoop politics | 31-08
  • Culture Change Required
    "There are serious issues raised in an Employment Relations Authority judgement released this week. The culture within the Whangarei District Council (WDC) organisation must change. The culture of any organisation is defined by its leadership starting...
    Scoop politics | 31-08
  • Reducing Reoffending Statistic Challenged
    In Rethinking’s latest blog, http://blog.rethinking.org.nz/2014/08/th-bps-reducing-crime-and-reoffending.html it closely examines the current claim that reoffending in New Zealand has reduced by 12.5% since June 2011, and reveals how that figure has been achieved. It argues...
    Scoop politics | 31-08
  • University economics team studying workers’ comparing wages
    A University of Canterbury economics research team is looking at fairness of the job assignments and whether workers are sensitive to the wages of their co-workers....
    Scoop politics | 31-08
  • Statement by State Services Commissioner
    30 August 2014 "The State Services Commission was contacted by the Prime Minister's Office over the last 24 hours on this issue." “Any activity that undermines, or has the potential to undermine, the trust and confidence in the public service...
    Scoop politics | 31-08
  • Christchurch Council Circus … Continued
    In 2010 the UK Daily Mail investigated the antics of a major bureaucratically bloated London Local Authority and reported with THE GREAT INERTIA SECTOR ....
    Scoop politics | 30-08
  • The Nation Housing Debate
    Patrick It's the great Kiwi dream, but is owning the roof over your head now just a pipe dream for many Kiwis? Homeownership is at the lowest level in half a century. National's answer is to double subsidies to first-home...
    Scoop politics | 30-08
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