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America’s Cup win

Written By: - Date published: 6:46 am, June 27th, 2017 - 24 comments
Categories: sport - Tags: , ,

Congratulations to Team NZ and supporters. That was a very convincing win, and a testimony to Kiwi design skills, sailing skills and tenacity. Everyone involved has a right to enjoy the victory!

I found Advantage’s post Why the America’s Cup is better than Rugby pretty challenging, but there’s a lot to think about there.

And because I’m a moaning leftie, I’ll include a couple of other takes on the win…

https://twitter.com/rodemmerson/status/875789296728289280/photo/1

24 comments on “America’s Cup win ”

  1. Wayne 1

    Great for NZ to have the cup back in NZ. And good for Auckland and the boating industry, which needs a boost.
    Great team effort. Peter Burling is the exemplar of the cool collected kiwi handling the pressure with dignity and poise.
    Also Trevor Mallard who has been unstinting in his support.

    • Halfcrown 1.1

      +100%

    • Cinny 1.2

      Yes, yes 😀

      And the outgoing PM will be breathing a sigh of relief, headlines today won’t be all about this useless government.

      The second exciting event of the day will be coming up at 2pm, Question Time….

    • dukeofurl 1.3

      ” Trevor Mallard who has been unstinting in his support.”

      And the most critical person in government was English ? Key and Joyce were the ones getting the funding through.
      Will anybody be going back through Englishs quotes to find the ones less than complimentary ? Another round of “He said He said”

  2. Sanctuary 2

    Russell Coutts. He hasn’t got the cup, he’ll be dumped by Ellison, and if you ask the average Kiwi he’ll tell you he is little more than a condottieri who stabbed his own team in the back.

    I hope the money was worth it.

    • tc 2.1

      It’s professional sport so NZ needs to get over it and consider how good the AB’s would be if playing overseas didn’t mean not making the AB’s.

      Opens up spots domestically, improves players offshore and would make the game stronger in NZ over time. Brazil haven’t won 5 world cups only picking players based in Brazil.

      Well done team NZ, can we go back to yachts now ?

      • RedLogix 2.1.1

        Two ways they can take it; continue down the high tech, big dollar path that will be a great spectacle, but look less and less like yachting, or go back to a single design route that puts the onus back on sailing skill.

        Not an obvious choice.

        • BM 2.1.1.1

          The old yachts are the equivalent of test cricket while the catamarans are the equivalent of one-dayers.

          Even though I happen to like test cricket, one-dayers are far more popular and bring in the dollars.

          It’s a no-brainer.

          • Halfcrown 2.1.1.1.1

            Got to agree with that BM, but I understand that this last America’s Cup was not well patronised with some of the hotels built only half full.
            That being the case perhaps we can return to a “yacht” race. might increase the interest, and as it is a minority sport we will need it well and truly patronised when it is held in NZ. I feel all the NZ team, that is everybody boat builders, boffins apart from the crew did extremely well, but a yacht race it wasn’t, more your high tech vs high tech with the crew wearing helmets looking like they were having a cycling team pursuit on water

          • RedLogix 2.1.1.1.2

            I think you are right BM; the AC has become the leading edge spectacle in the sport and going back to the old style displacement monohulls is not an option. But equally going down the money-pit uber-tech route is not sustainable either. Only the very, very rich can play.

            I think foiling is here to stay, but in a form that is more accessible, has more teams involved and absolutely no absurd class mismatches where the skill of the crew is rendered meaningless.

            It will be interesting to see where TNZ take it. Wish them the best, they’ve fought hard for this win and now they have the opportunity to write the next big chapter.

            • Draco T Bastard 2.1.1.1.2.1

              Only the very, very rich can play.

              Wrong.

              Or, to be more precise, every country can play by sending a national team. Get the corporate sponsors out of it and just have the government fund it.

              From the research to the building and then have those publicly and freely available for use by any body.

              I think foiling is here to stay, but in a form that is more accessible, has more teams involved and absolutely no absurd class mismatches where the skill of the crew is rendered meaningless.

              How could you make it so that it was a small, single person, single design sailing class of around 6m.

      • Pete 2.1.2

        Comparison using Brazil and NZ and soccer and rugby seems a bit odd.

        And the South Africa rugby experience shows what having masses of the top players off-shore for the big money does. Made the game stronger there?

    • Tricledrown 2.2

      Come on he brought all that money he has earned back to New Zealand.
      The New Zealand boat building industry has become a multi billion dollar industry.
      Oracle highered many New Zealand Boat builders sailors etc.
      New Zealand has made more out of the Americas cup than any other country.

      • Draco T Bastard 2.2.1

        New Zealand has made more out of the Americas cup than any other country.

        [citation needed]

  3. Enough is Enough 3

    Well done Team New Zealand

    Bringing a smile to the face of Kiwis during this cold winter of disconent

  4. Wayne 4

    It looks like Auckland in 2021. Probably has to be 2021, because the Olympics is in 2020, and a lot of the top sailors will be doing that as well.

    So either 2019 or 2021, and since Team NZ had not agreed to the Oracle format, 2019 was never likely.

    Will they have an intermediate contest in 2019 to keeps teams together, and will it be foiling catamarans?

  5. Sanctuary 5

    I am picking foiling monohulls.

  6. Sacha 6

    Good brief interview with Ian Taylor on Morning Report about the tech/economic side of the win: http://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/morningreport/audio/201848961/ian-taylor-on-tech-at-the-america-s-cup

  7. DoublePlusGood 7

    Could we have the next one be a submarine race, so we don’t have to look at the gratuitous use of tax payer money?

  8. gsays 8

    I have enjoyed the finals series getting up and watching coverage on prime: poor man’s sky.
    Good commentary and fantastic footage from drones, boat cameras and burling’s ‘parrot cam’.

    As to conditions for next cup, talk of 80% of crew from same nation.
    Acknowledging Liz Marvelly in the post: what chances the crews are mandated to have female crew members?

    • Alwyn 8.1

      Woman crew members?
      We must go much further than that. We must have male and female co-helmsman.
      Then they, and the rest of the crew can have a caucus discussion about each tack before doing anything.
      We could simply draft the Green Party caucus in as the crew.
      Not quite sure it would be terribly successful though.

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