Auckland’s city rail link may be accelerated

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1. karol 1

   6 April 2014 at 7:45 am

   Auckland’s public transport system definitely needs speeding up and other improvements. I want to use public transport more. It’s pretty good for travelling between West Auckland and Auckland’s CBD in the day time. It was really easy going to and from those demos a couple of Saturdays ago.

   Getting across Auckland just takes way too much time. See for instance Matt L at the Transport Blog on travelling between Takapuna and Henderson. And I think going from the west via Britomart to Takapuna would be just as time consuming because the trip into Britomart can take 45 minutes once factoring in walking to a station or waiting for bus connections.
   • Sacha 1.1

     6 April 2014 at 9:11 am

     Let’s all be clear – finishing the City Rail Link project by 2020 is not ‘accelerating’ it or ‘bringing it forward’. I’m tired of seeing this lie regurgitated.

     All the earlier scoping work proposed starting in time to meet that delivery target. Brownlee, Joyce and their luddite chums pulled later dates from their rears. Only this government has been stupid enough to delay the project until after the need has become critical. Aucklanders will recall the many years of frustration on our motorway network before the equivalent central links were added to it, again late.

     The CRL allows double the rail trips across the whole region, taking pressure off our roads as Auckland’s population soars. A train every 5-10 minutes and properly integrated feeder buses finally make public transit a reliable choice like other first-world cities offer.

     The CRL project costs less the earlier we get started, and managing the impact of some major commercial building developments along the route will also be cheaper if they are done at the same time. This government need to be called out for wasting our money and making it harder to attract and keep the smart young businesses and workers who we need more of.
     • mickysavage 1.1.1

       6 April 2014 at 11:28 am

       I agree Sacha that the project should be started now.

       I use the phrase “accelerated” only in the sense that it is not programmed to start for a while.
2. One Anonymous Bloke 2

   6 April 2014 at 7:57 am

   There’s a third consideration: it’s an election year and the National Party’s clients will be getting anxious that they’ve only bought themselves an opposition rather than a government.
3. Ad 3

   6 April 2014 at 8:00 am

   There’s no extra money available from central government for the project to be brought forward to match the Council’s timetable of construction starting in 2015 – at least not from the National Land Transport Fund, which is skint. Also, Christchurch sucks the big non-transport CAPEX items for a good while.

   In terms of meeting its patronage targets, one of the best things they could do is lower the ticket prices. Auckland Transport Chair lester levy floated this recently. To do that, Auckland’s Council would need to vote more funding. This is currently highly unlikely.

   Mickey the (hopefully) good thing about the new fleet launching on the 28th is simply higher public consciousness that there’s something new and shiny arriving, and some more people try an alternative to the car.
   • mickysavage 3.1

     6 April 2014 at 8:08 am

     Agreed Ad about fares. The current fare recovery policy is very conservative.

     Agreed also that the NLTF is skint. Far too many roads of National Stupidity have been or are being built. Of course debt funding is still an option …
     • Ad 3.1.1

       6 April 2014 at 8:11 am

       I guess that was my point about Christchurch – it’s where government debt will be going for some time.

       It also bugs me that Council has not yet figured out how it will pay for its own half. I can only wonder what would happen to Aucklanders’ rates bills if Mayor Brown’s request to the government to get started on an early works package had succeeded. Council seriously needs a financial plan for this, and I can’t see one.
     • BM 3.1.2

       6 April 2014 at 8:30 am

       Will a Cunliffe led Left block can the rons program or at the very least pare it right back?
       • One Anonymous Bloke 3.1.2.1

         6 April 2014 at 8:35 am

         That would certainly be in the national interest.
         • BM 3.1.2.1.1

           6 April 2014 at 8:37 am

           So you think Cunliffe would do that, complete whatever projects have been started and then can the rest?
           • felix 3.1.2.1.1.1

             6 April 2014 at 8:53 am

             The rest of what? The whole “rons” thing is just a National party slogan. It’s a brand name. A marketing campaign.

             There’s nothing intrinsically significant about that particular list of projects.

             And there’s no reason that the next govt is bound to complete any National Party policy.
             • BM …

               6 April 2014 at 9:00 am

               Pretty popular with a lot of voters though.

               Be good to know which way Cunliffe wants to go with the rons program, I’m sure most voters would like to know as well.

               Could become a hot election issue.
               • Lanthanide …

                 6 April 2014 at 9:37 am

                 A hot election issue: Holiday Highway (used a couple of times a year by some Aucklanders) vs Central Rail Loop (used a couple of times a day by many Aucklanders).

                 Tough choice.
                 • Kevin Welsh …

                   7 April 2014 at 10:14 am

                   It is not a ‘loop’ Lanth. There will be no trains going around in circles.
               • Ad …

                 6 April 2014 at 9:46 am

                 New motorways particularly the Waikato Expressway are very important to the freight industry, and the massive Te Rapa freight hub owned by Tainui will help shunt Fonterra’s bulk freight further away from Auckland and into Tauranga.

                 But the bulk of votes are with CRL. Traffic is the most important issue with the whole of local government voters in Auckland, straight in front of rates.
                 • BM …

                   6 April 2014 at 10:23 am

                   But the bulk of votes are with CRL. Traffic is the most important issue with the whole of local government voters in Auckland, straight in front of rates.

                   Why, Is the current train system failing to cope with demand at the moment.

                   I thought this inner city loop was to cope with future demand?
                   • felix …

                     6 April 2014 at 10:58 am

                     That’s not what “thought” means BM.
                   • Tracey …

                     6 April 2014 at 6:33 pm

                     if you really want to know about the rail loop go to generation zero website and read about it, transport blog too.
           • tc 3.1.2.1.1.2

             6 April 2014 at 9:09 am

             Its common sense to invest for a return, rons is burning money with cbr’s less than 1.

             The facts are compelling, rons is pure political payback to trucking and big civil concerns like fletchers and FH.

             If we had an impartial MSM with minimal financial literacy they would be hammering the govt over this asking why.
           • Ad 3.1.2.1.1.3

             6 April 2014 at 9:42 am

             I do.
   • Lanthanide 3.2

     6 April 2014 at 9:35 am

     It’s the government’s stupid choice to foist a big convention centre on Christchurch. At the same time also backing big convention centres in Auckland and Queenstown. It’s nonsensical.

     Scale back the convention centre. Dump the new covered stadium that we don’t need. Can the Roads of Notional Significance.
     • Tracey 3.2.1

       7 April 2014 at 8:18 am

       If we thought of NZ as one big city, say, the population of melbourne, exactly how many stadiums and convention centres etc would we need? We are crippling ourselves due to our strangulating regionalism.s
     • framu 3.2.2

       7 April 2014 at 9:14 am

       “It’s the government’s stupid choice to foist a big convention centre on Christchurch”

       its not just stupid – its utterly irresponsible when their own documentation states that the market isnt big enough for a center in more than one location

       that was some of the rationale for the auckland center going ahead
4. Philj 4

   6 April 2014 at 12:07 pm

   xox
   National only spends billions on roads. As per instructions from Ken Shirley , trucking lobby. There is a huge financial pressure from the trukkies. At the expense of our trains snd coastal shipping.
   • tc 4.1

     6 April 2014 at 1:16 pm

     Between the extra tonnage trucks carry on our roads and bottom dollar road maintenance the road signs should read ‘works never end’ .
   • Draco T Bastard 4.2

     6 April 2014 at 1:44 pm

     +1
5. Weepu's beard 5

   6 April 2014 at 7:21 pm

   If John Banks had his way, our brand new silent trains would never have existed. Once these vehicles come online I expect the trips to rise significantly. People will come to know what a joy it is to ride to work on a decent train.
6. dpalenski 6

   6 April 2014 at 10:44 pm

   Micky you should really use EMU (Electric Multiple Unit) rather than electric train engines which I’m sure pretty don’t exist because I think you can only have electric motors not engines.
   • Sacha 6.1

     6 April 2014 at 11:31 pm

     EMU? Most people understand ‘train’ – other than trainspotters. 🙂
     • dpalenski 6.1.1

       8 April 2014 at 2:46 pm

       Not hard to learn though http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electric_multiple_unit

       All in one units rather than carriages hauled by locomotives(engines in old steam era language)
7. MikeG 7

   7 April 2014 at 8:26 pm

   There is money available for those CRL if some roading projects are re-prioritised. Have a look at: http://www.congestionfree.co.nz/
8. millsy 8

   8 April 2014 at 12:31 am

   The CEL should be pushed back.

   Not because I have an anti-rail position (the opposite in fact), but because the buses and ferries need some attention paid to them, and they need to be brought back into public ownership, which is the only way the bus system (the meat and spuds of the PT network) can ensure a decent level of service.

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