Better than nothing

Written By: - Date published: 12:44 pm, May 28th, 2013 - 156 comments
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The government’s expansion of the KickStart breakfast programme run by Fonterra and Sanitarium is better than nothing. Credit where it’s due – which is mostly to those who have highlighted this issue so effectively: the Office of the Children’s Commissioner via special report (and other reports), the Child Poverty Action Group, Mana’s Feed the Kids campaign, the makers of Inside Child Poverty, Campbell Live, Labour, The Greens, and many more.

From The Herald summary:

Schools gets $9.5m breakfast funding boost

The Government will put up $9.5 million over the next five years to allow Fonterra and Sanitarium to expand school breakfast programmes to five days a week for all schools that need it – but the companies will have to fund the rest of the estimated $19 million cost of that expansion themselves.

Prime Minister John Key announced the funding as part of the Government’s response to a report on child poverty by an expert advisory group set up by the Childrens’ Commissioner.

The extra funding will cover half of the expected costs to expand the ‘KickStart’ programme which was set up in 2009 by Sanitarium and Fonterra – the companies will be expected to cover the rest.

That programme currently provides a breakfast of weetbix and milk twice a week to children at about 570 schools – half of all decile 1-4 schools.

The extra funding is expected to help increase the number of schools to receive the programme and ensure it is offered every school day.

Other initiatives include an extra $500,000 a year for the next three years for KidsCan to provide more clothes, and health and hygiene products to disadvantaged children.

Anything is better than nothing and this initiative will make a difference – but the government’s commitment to this program is fairly derisory, especially when compared to some other expenditures (as highlighted by Zet this morning). Last word to a principal:

However, the principal of Hora Hora School in Whangarei, Pat Newman, told TV ONE’s Breakfast the food will not help the underlying reasons for children going hungry.

“I’m wondering whether this is a stop gap measure,” he said.

“I have questions around how did we get to this stage in New Zealand where we’re talking about having to feed children because they are hungry.

“The root of this problem is when people get power bills or things like that which are higher than expected and they need to choose, food, or pay the bills.”

Newman said it is a problem which does not just affect parents at low decile schools but there is a “new poor” developing in middle class New Zealand.

He said a targeted approach to offer parents more support at home would be a better way to ensure children were fed.

How did we get to this stage in New Zealand?

Update: from comments – $9.5 Million over 5 years to feed hungry kids – but in 2012 just 4 private schools got $10.9 Million.

156 comments on “Better than nothing”

  1. shorts 1

    as I spied on twitter

    “9.5 Mil over 5 yrs to feed 1000’s of poor kids- but in-2012, just 4 private schools got NZ $10.9m (Cuthberts, Kings, Dioscean & Kristin)”

    How did we get to this stage indeed

    • mac1 1.1

      With such gifting from the government, private school students get to be beneficiaries and therefore can learn to empathise with their poor cousins. Noble of the Government, really.

    • Tom Gould 1.2

      $1.9m a year is a joke, an insult. Typical Key. The cheapest headline he has ever bought. Groser spend more on first class air travel. And the brain dead chooks will run it hard for him. Can’t wait to see Corin Key gushing praise on One News tonight. Maybe Key saw the stage production of Oliver when last in London staying at his Kensington pad?

      • Tim 1.2.1

        Never mind Tom – the harder they rise, the harder they fall.
        It’s an insult allright. I’m watching the dynamics in parlyarment in a certain quadrant consisting of Nafe, Pulla, the recently shaven Murr, and Krus. Guess which one is the odd man out.
        Dare I say it – YES I WILL – I suppose the legacy isn’t so important amongst bitter old queens (I’m sure there’ll be a Populuxicle coming along VERY soon to pick me up on it)
        I hope you’re watching because there is a demagogue from Dipton banging on about ‘foreign bankers’.
        Oi sincerely hope whatever cobbled together opposition takes advantage of Dipton’s apparent disdain of ‘foreign bakers’ (oops BaNkers)

    • ghostwhowalksnz 1.3

      The link and details is here

      Prime Minister increases Kings College Funding By 40%

      Tuesday, 16 April 2013, 9:25 am
      Press Release: Quality Public Education Coalition – QPEC

      http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/ED1304/S00098/prime-minister-increases-kings-college-funding-by-40.htm

    • Alanz 1.4

      Better than nothing. But it remains a cynical stop gap measure with a miniscule sum that buys maximum PR coverage for Nats to shore up their political fortunes.

  2. Colonial Viper 2

    Nice one Hone. One MP from a small political party, you took on the Government on a matter of principle, and look how much you have accomplished.

    Also, Shearer should congratulate National for choosing to follow Labour advice to carefully target the schools covered, instead of rolling it out to all schools across NZ which have hungry children. What a fucking winner.

  3. ghostrider888 3

    Although (to reiterate (always have to see whether it’s an ‘e’ or ‘i’) Shearer-“compared to the 40M on Private Schools, that the government spends”). And reviewing the way the country is going, car-boot lawyers, weak in the physical sciences, graduates off overseas, financial fraud- Private School funding does not appear to be money well spent!
    Just more ‘culture of entitlement’.

  4. ak 4

    Ae, one small step for kind-of man, but a giant stride for Progression.

    Tories pushing food in schools for the poor – inconceivable back just a tick.

    Imagine the screams of “Nanny State” if poor Hels had as much as suggested anything like this…….

    Indeed, crumbs, but a welcome grope for humanity from the Natsies.

    • Jimmy 4.1

      Yes extraordinary I agree, I guess Fonterra and Sanitarium should receive a bouquet as well.

      • Colonial Viper 4.1.1

        Sanitarium that lovely tax free enterprise, good to see them giving something back.

      • Dv 4.1.2

        Yes, but what took so long.
        Campbell had mostly sorted it a couple of weeks ago.

  5. Winston Smith 5

    Another good call by John Key to stymie the left…best MMP PM by daylight!

    • ghostrider888 5.1

      well, he is cunning, and that is all I shall give you, for now.

      • Anne 5.1.1

        I’ll add to that… he is a liar.

        He claimed yesterday that he had been keen on the idea of food in schools since 2007. How come then, he derided Labour’s original plan for good, healthy food in schools announced by Helen Clark in 2008? I recall him and his mates touring the country pouring ridicule on the suggestion. Nanny state, nanny state, nanny state… democracy under attack etc. etc.

    • framu 5.2

      come nightfall though, its a different story

  6. Enough is Enough 6

    Well Done Hone and Mana. You can feel proud that your efforts in opposition have twisted the arms of this corrupt government.

    Again though we must shake our heads at the main opposition party that continues to be left flat footed by the real parties of the left in leading this issue.

    • Blue 6.1

      You must have missed Hone spitting in derision at this on the news tonight. Yes he actually spat. He’s all class that boy.

      • Murray Olsen 6.1.1

        Spitting is far classier than lying. I’d rather have a leader who spat and maybe even did the odd whakapohane than one who can’t open his mouth without lying.

  7. emergency mike 7

    Crumbs grudgingly given because they were pressured into it. Weetbix and milk? In South Korea every kid in every public school in a country of 50 million gets a full, hot, varied lunch Monday to Friday. Tax rate: 7%.

  8. Winston Smith 8

    Just to let know what will be said during the run up to the election:

    “Labour ran up surpluses for 9 years and didn’t care about the hungry kids but National, while dealing with the global financial meltdown and christchurch earthquakes, still manages to find money to help the hungry kiddies”

    and the people will agree… 🙂

    • One Anonymous Knucklehead 8.1

      Just to let you know what will be said in the run-up to the election.

      “Cheaper power prices”.

      And the people do agree.

    • Ad 8.2

      Sanitarium and Fonterra risking their brands deep into govt policy is impressive.

      Does labour have a positive policy response? Or will they say “no thanks” to donations from those two massive agribusiness players. Time to make a move Shearer, Key’s found another flank around you.

  9. Yes 9

    Yeah labour created the poverty trap in NZ not National

    • One Anonymous Knucklehead 9.1

      Yawn. I wonder how long it would take to unpick the false-framing, ignorance and bias implicit in this remark.

    • Yes 9.2

      sorry – a bit harsh – no money was put away from a rainy day – just look at Australia – they are in dire straights – poverty didnt happen overnight and no national never created it.

      • McFlock 9.2.1

        keep telling yourself that. National created it for tens if not hundreds of thousands of new zealanders.

      • Anne 9.2.2

        When youse learn to put a sentence together proper we might start reading them.

      • Hayden 9.2.3

        no money was put away from [sic] a rainy day

        Bill English, seen here, disagreeing with you.

        “We have room to respond. This is the rainy day that Government has been saving up for.”

        Nice choice of words though.

        • Anne 9.2.3.1

          Labour finance spokesman David Cunliffe said National had revealed no plan and he assumed Mr English had one up his sleeve.

          He also said there should be a mini-Budget in the new year and Labour was prepared to take a bipartisan approach to work on it.

          “Let’s not wait until June. Let’s not see international markets and domestic markets further deteriorate until June 2009 until we see the shape of a real plan.”

          Sigh. Oh, that he was still finance spokesman.

      • Draco T Bastard 9.2.4

        National has always created poverty in this country and it’s always been Labour of the left variety (i.e. before the 1980s) that’s come along and fixed it. Since the 1980s though, both major parties have contributed to the rising poverty.

      • BLiP 9.2.5

        Liar.

        . . . In New Zealand we have room to respond. This is the rainy day that Government has been saving up for . . .

        Blinglish, Thursday December 18, 2008.

  10. Richard B. 10

    So, if $9.5 million is not enough, what is?
    Is it $95 million, $950 million a trillion dollars?
    And it does need to be more then $9.5million can you suggest where it comes from?
    Health
    Education
    Police
    When I went to school I was taught that money deos not grow on trees.

    • Colonial Viper 10.1

      Oh I agree, Kings Diocesan Cuthberts Kristin need their $10.9M a year for rich kids of the top 5%

      The poor kids of the 95% can get $10.9M spread over 5 years

      Also Canty farmers need $100M for new dairy irrigation systems to pollute waterways with

      • irascible 10.1.1

        Key says its justified to grant private schools a benefit subsidy because they pay a large amount in GST so it must be OK. More PR spin from a PM under pressure as he watched the economy crash and burn.

    • McFlock 10.2

      The sufficient price is that which ensures no person lacks food, clothing, housing or warmth.

      And the ideal source is a progressive tax which ensures that those who profit most from our imperfect means of distributing scarce resources contribute the most to repairing the damage that the imperfection causes.

    • One Anonymous Knucklehead 10.3

      Yes, that’s right. Money doesn’t grow on trees. It is printed by banks out of thin air.

      • Wayne (a different one) 10.3.1

        No, it will be printed by the Greens with the support of Labour – economic knuckleheads.

        Good save this nation if we ever see a change of Govt.

        • McFlock 10.3.1.1

          lol

          inorite? At the moment the government books are balanced, unemployment’s low, wages are good, poverty’s disappearing, private debt is under control, etc. All that will change and the skies will fall under a lab/grn government.

        • Draco T Bastard 10.3.1.2

          What’s the difference between private banks printing money and the government printing it?

          One’s democratically accountable, the other’s completely unaccountable and requires bailouts.

    • Draco T Bastard 10.4

      When I went to school I was taught that money deos not grow on trees.

      But I bet that you weren’t taught where it actually came from either which effectively means that you’re spouting slogans in ignorance while thinking that you know what you’re talking about.

      The private banks print the money whenever someone takes out a loan.

      See, it still doesn’t grow on trees but there’s still no limit to the amount of money available either.

  11. Opium Eater 11

    I would really like to see the government offer a lunch program like many other countries. That would at least ensure that all children get at least one decent hot meal a day. It wouldn’t address the underlying causes of poverty and hunger but children need to be well fed to learn -and educational achievement is a major factor in future employment/income

    • One Anonymous Knucklehead 11.1

      Agreed. It’s a relatively cheap intervention too.

      Household income is the main factor in education outcomes. This can only help to level the playing field.

    • GregJ 11.2

      Agreed.

      The State mandates compulsory education, the State should feed the children during the course of the day. Back-up programmes for breakfast for those who’s familes are in poverty/distressed circumstances. Private Schools and Charter schools don’t get either programme unless a demonstrated need is required (criteria set very high).

  12. Anne 12

    Funny that… Labour was planning to do just that if it had remained in government but National screamed so loud the peoples were frightened off and ran away from Labour.

  13. Draco T Bastard 13

    Newman said it is a problem which does not just affect parents at low decile schools but there is a “new poor” developing in middle class New Zealand.

    I do wish people would say what they mean. What he’s really saying here is that the middle class is shrinking as poverty increases.

    How did we get to this stage in New Zealand?

    Roger Douglass and the 4th Labour government free-market reforms which no party has the strength to get rid of. Well, some parties just don’t to get rid of them because the people that they represent are doing quite nicely.

  14. Bennett now admits that there are 240,000 kids living in poverty in Aotearoa. She sounded very chastised. She obviously got the hard word after her recent performance in the house …

    http://waitakerenews.blogspot.co.nz/2013/04/paula-bennett-and-national-do-not.html

    • Colonial Viper 14.1

      But can’t all those DPB mums pick themselves up by the bootstraps and get a $250,000 job like her?

      • Anne 14.1.1

        Now come on CV. They can’t all get to be Murray McCully’s electorate secretary and get in via the back door.

  15. Matthew Hooton 15

    I think they have got it about right here.
    On one hand, if kids arrive at school hungry the state should feed them (or arrange for them to be fed, which is even better because it doesn’t cost the taxpayer so much and engages the corporate world with the community).
    But, on the other, I am lazy enough that if there were free breakfasts and lunches at my kids’ school I sure as hell wouldn’t go through the horror of making breakfast and lunch each morning. (Actually, I do b’fast and my wife does their lunches, but you know what I mean).
    And, in general, it IS the parents’ responsibility to provide food for their kids and most do, whether billionaire, millionaire, middle-class, struggling working class family or beneficiary. But some parents can’t or don’t meet that responsibility and that’s not the kids’ fault.
    So a government-faciliatated, business-funded half-way house seems about right, even though it lacks a certain ideological fervour one way or the other.
    “Better than nothing” from the left and “I guess we have to do this” suggests quite a good approach.

    • Matthew do you know how underwhelmed I am after reading your comment?

      Even Bennett has acknowledged there are poor kids in the country, many of them. Why not do something?

      • Matthew Hooton 15.1.1

        Underwhelmed is the sensible response. It is a difficult issue. But fewer than 50% of kids in decline one primary schools (so I am told by Wellington policy analysts, so, you know, it could be wrong) show up at school not having had b’fast and without lunch, so the cause of the problem is not as obvious as some make out. And the solution is surely not 1970s UK style school canteens serving chips and pasta bakes.
        The deal Key has brokered (and it was surely him personally rather than some bureaucrat) does seem to hit a sensible middle ground quite well.

        • Rhinocrates 15.1.1.1

          Ka-ching! Goes Effluvium’s cash register.

          Hook Hoots up to a generator and let him spin, and we’d have energy forever.

          The deal Key has brokered (and it was surely him personally rather than some bureaucrat)

          Oh my, that’s really North Korean levels of hyperbole. Wait, next he’ll come up with the Unified Field Theory that eluded Einstein!

          What is “b’fast”? Is it some hip version of “breakfast”? Should one wear a baseball cap backwards while saying it, or is that too early ’90s? I’m very out of touch, you see, and need advice.

          to hit a sensible middle ground quite well.

          Yes, that’s what happens when you try to sit between two chairs.

        • McFlock 15.1.1.2

          But fewer than 50% of kids in decline one primary schools […] show up at school not having had b’fast and without lunch

          So what that means is that almost 50% of children at those schools miss out on two meals a day, and the tory response is a reluctant “I guess we have to do this”?!

          Not, for example, “as a society we will do as much as possible to end this situation”?

          • mickysavage 15.1.1.2.1

            Yep only an economist or an accountant would question the purpose of supplying breakfasts to a school when slightly less than half of the kids turned up to breakfast hungry.

        • karol 15.1.1.3

          hmmm, when I taught in the UK in the late 70s and 80s, I ate a few school dinners. I don’t recall chips and pasta bake. They actually weren’t all that bad. I just avoided the gravy & pouring hot custard on jelly didn’t work for me. And it actually was a very good social time with the students and various kinds of staff.

          They didn’t differentiate between those who paid full for their children’s dinners,a nd those who were subsidised. It was an inclusive thing.

          In pre-industrial times, the responsibility for feeding children was more with the extended family and whole community.

          • Bill 15.1.1.3.1

            Yup. School dinners were bloody good. If they hadn’t been, then us secondary school kids would have been using the dinner money down the local chippie – which we did do on occasion ‘just for a change’ and not because the school meals were shit.

        • GregJ 15.1.1.4

          Not a difficult issue at all.

          Lunch provided by the State in State schools (Private schools & Charter Schools only in exceptional circumstances – well until Charter schools are absorbed back into the State system). Families to provide breakfast but support breakfast programmes for those in distressed circumstances as a back-up.

          Carried out in many countries in the world as anyone who has spent anytime overseas knows – not rocket science just requires common sense, compassion and a political will.

        • Ad 15.1.1.5

          Key’s co-option of corporates is a significant invitation to others to do the same in other policy areas, like DoC. Everyone knows the state is weakening daily, so making the whole country pull together is what any government in the middle ground should do. If only Clarks Labour government didn’t have such corporate distaste and hygene-control. Who is co-opting whom in the end is meaningless when the policy is so basic, so agreeable.

          • Colonial Viper 15.1.1.5.1

            Only if you don’t give a damn who you are associating with, or if you believe that corporates and governments should have closer economic and political ties with each other.

            • Ad 15.1.1.5.1.1

              I absolutely do. All in the same direction. Starting with Fonterra.

              • Colonial Viper

                I absolutely disagree. That’s the road to fascism and government in the form of a corporatocracy. You are naive with your “same direction” call. The state and private enterprise have absolutely different constituents that they serve.

                The state must serve the citizens first and foremost while corporates only act to serve their shareholders first and foremost.

                In addition, the melding of state and corporate activities forms a single powerful elite class which must never be allowed.

                • karol

                  +1

                • Rhinocrates

                  +2

                • Ad

                  Oh what overblown arse. If you keep on with “the answer to everything is the state”, and flail on about the fascists, all you get is a typical standoff that has sunk Labour governments many a time. This will never again be a country run largely by the state. Get over yourself.

                  Nothing will happen that is progressive if the state tries to do it by itself. Corporates are huge and not getting smaller, and Fonterra is one of the very very few who sees it has national interests with New Zealand, as well as corporate and cooperative interests.

                  Co-option of corporate interests into an intersection with the state is where people find common interest. Don’t ever think you will get that from the state alone.

                  • karol

                    Co-option of corporate interests into an intersection with the state is where people find common interest.

                    That’s where there’s a common interest? Surely you jest? The corporate interest is not the interest of a fair proportion of Kiwis.

                    • Coronial Typer

                      Really? Do you work?

                      [lprent: Do you actually work – or is it all just bullshit?

                      And incidentally what kind of dumbass question is that? I’ve never noticed too many people not working out of choice. The pay is too damn low and there are all these dipshits looking enviously at people having so much fun whilst trying to not to starve as they fight off the bailiffs.

                      Usually they’re not working because there are governments more interested in corporate welfare rather than helping actual people from becoming long-term unemployable. ]

                    • karol

                      I have worked all my adult life. What’s that got to do with it? But, really, do you think people who work for corporations, in relatively powerless jobs, think the corporate bosses are there to serve their interests? Especially their interests away from work or the interests of the collective good, like education, infrastructure etc.

                      If the corporates were their for all the people, we wouldn’t see them trying all the time to drive wages down, so now we have people struggling to pay the bills.

                  • Rhinocrates

                    Corporates are huge and not getting smaller

                    Indeed, and that is why they must be resisted, not embraced, and that is while democratic institutions should stand against them or curb them. NGOs I hope will do the same, but while some are powerful, only a few are.

                    The danger is when the state becomes undemocratic and allied with the corporates, disconnected from the citizenry. Its shills (like Hooton) will go on about “pragmatism” and “being reasonable” and whisper, “it’s what you really want…”

                    “It’s soooooo big” does not strike me as a compelling political argument, but apparently it appeals to some.

                    Fascism in the 21st century won’t arise through revolution, it will arise through seduction. As it did in the 20th.

                    • Coronial Typer

                      No government that has failed to learn the art of corporate seduction – or indeed NGO seduction – will get anywhere in this country. That could of course amount to a whole lot of seduction, but Key’s move today is yet another deal done. He’s racking the results up. Maybe there’s an alternative – I dunno, the state just intervenes and wipes out poverty all by itself. Maybe Mana will win the next election. Sponsorship is – barring the unethical – good.

                    • Colonial Viper

                      Yes, I agree that corporate sponsorship is good.

                      It’s called paying their fucking fair share of taxes so that they don’t lose their societal license to operate. Like the IRD made the big banks do a couple of years ago.

                      but Key’s move today is yet another deal done. He’s racking the results up.

                      $100M in irrigation for dairy cows
                      $9.5M for poor kids

                      Yeah you must like those results he’s racking up.

                    • Colonial Viper

                      “Corporate seduction”? fuck off, what ugly self serving, two faced biyarches. Labour might be able to talk them around for one term by compromising their principles, but pretty soon they’ll stick a stiletto between the shoulder blades as their one and only true love is the big blue party of big business.

                    • Wow interesting discussion and I am not sure if you guys are disagreeing …

                      Corporates are a way of life for all western democracies. Piss them off and they throw huge resources at you.

                      Helen chose to have a charm offensive early on in the 5th Labour Government’s term and got them onside for a while. After a few years they started to rebel and demand tax cuts and spread frankly defamatory rumours about some people and eventually Helen’s and the Government’s will was sapped and they lost.

                      Historians in years to come will actually say that hers was a damn good government. Although history is written by the victors so right now there is a bit of spin going on for a while.

                      But yeah we have to sort things out. Of course the state should step up. We need to win the argument that soft corporate money doing things that the state should do no matter what is wrong.

                  • Colonial Viper

                    Hey ad I see you are downplaying the threat of governmental and corporate power to a citizenry.

                    Why don’t you just see what the military industrial complex has become in the USA, and the banking-governmental complex has become in the EU.

                    corporates are huge and not getting smaller, and Fonterra is one of the very very few who sees it has national interests with New Zealand

                    Concentration of economic and corporate power is one thing.

                    I’m very concerned that you are willing to let that interfere with our democracy and our government.

                    Government is for looking after citizens, corporations are for looking after shareholders. Government is the only entity that can check, regulate and balance the markets and strike down private sector monopolies.

                    A unitary corporatocracy and their elite as government is just one small step away from fascism. Not the pretend kind mind you, the real kind.

        • felix 15.1.1.6

          “And the solution is surely not 1970s UK style school canteens serving chips and pasta bakes.”

          Matthew, do you really have that much trouble imaging a school canteen that isn’t a 1970s one serving chips and pasta bakes?

          • McFlock 15.1.1.6.1

            funnily enough, the facebook page “Inside Child Poverty New Zealand” has been posting regular pictures of school lunches from around the world. Some of them look damned nice, too.

          • Colonial Viper 15.1.1.6.2

            Funny the food served daily to the partners at some of the top law firms around NZ seems just fine to me.

          • mickysavage 15.1.1.6.3

            That is so unfair. If Matthew cannot link the proposal to 70s cuisine or North Korea then he loses the moral force of his argument …

    • Rhinocrates 15.2

      Waffle waffle blah, gosh the Nacts are so reasonable and middle of the road rhubarb blah.

      a certain ideological fervour

      Not like those other nasty chaps!

      But some parents can’t or don’t meet that responsibility and that’s not the kids’ fault.

      Ooh look, he knows all about the struggles of the poor! What an empathic fellow he is! Nat is a liberal progressive party, it cares about the poor, Muldoon’s father had syphilis and that proves it!

      (Actually, I do b’fast and my wife does their lunches, but you know what I mean).

      Gosh, Hoots, I find your bourgeoise JAFA “lifestyle” (other people can’t afford lifestyles, so they just have lives) so very, very interesting.

      Akshully, no I don’t. Most of us akshully don’t live that ideal life that appears in so many flatly-lit cereal ads.

    • rosy 15.3

      ” I am lazy enough that if there were free breakfasts and lunches at my kids’ school I sure as hell wouldn’t go through the horror of making breakfast and lunch each morning.”

      Actually, no I don’t know what you mean. The horror of having time in the morning to provide physical and emotional sustenance for your kids through preparation of food for them and possibly even sitting there and eating with them? In the next breath I imagine you complaining about the attitudes of the poor who have fewer options that you.

      I’m sure there are many parents with early work starts in low pay jobs getting the kids up so the partner just coming home from the night shift of another low pay job can get them to school in the morning (another reason for kids missing breakfast, btw) would love your middle class horror.

    • Paul 15.4

      Look forward to a contribution from you that isn’t spinning the party line.
      How do you get paid for writing what they tell you to?
      Unbelievable.

  16. ak 16

    “I guess we have to do this” from the right suggests their only ever approach, akshilly….

    • McFlock 16.1

      but but but Key has been planning to do this since 2007? He is always there for poverty-stricken children…

  17. pollywog 17

    Beats a poke in the eye with a sharp stick.

  18. home help 18

    If all the kids just got Weetbix and milk they would have dysentery in about a week but if they had real oats they would survive quite well
    Any body with a clue about survival wouldnt touch Weetbix its for obesity building

    • Rhinocrates 18.1

      Anybody with a clue about the overwhelming importance of image and marketing instead of nutrition and the real world wouldn’t give a shit.

      • Colonial Viper 18.1.1

        Funny you used that phrase, after home help’s pertinent observation

  19. karol 19

    Watched John Key on Campbell Live. Can’t see why anyone trusts him. Diversion by boringly reeling of a load of stats and business-sounding jargon.

  20. North 20

    Haven’t read the above comments so this may have been covered, sorry.

    WTF is ShonKey Python’s stooge girl Boss Hogg Bennett up to when she announces that many school principals will not countenance their schools’ participation in this “scheme” because they are morally troubled (poor dears), their conviction being that feeding kids who don’t get breakfast on account of poverty or dysfunction is not the problem of the community. Let them eat cake sort of thing.

    Tell you what, if I was a school trustee I’d go for the throat of the principal who decided to indulge his/her precious morality over kids’ needs. In fact I’d probably want to give him/her a good crack.

    Actually, I think Boss Hogg is strawman-ing here. Ain’t it funny how ShonKey always relies on that Judas Sheep to smooth the way for him ? Why otherwise why would she pour cold water on the scheme from the very beginning ? Names of the principals and names of the schools please Boss Hogg.

    The words of “caring” from ShonKey Python last night really did stick in his throat, the detestable bastard. Makes me laugh when he says “We don’t spend alot of time listening to what Hone Harawira says”.

    Oh yeah ? Shithead. There’s no heartfelt stuff here – it’s all a cynical response to what Hone’s been saying and Hone’s bill. Top marks Hone !

    • Murray Olsen 20.1

      “Names of the principals and names of the schools please Boss Hogg.”

      Wanganui Collegiate, Diocesan, Auckland Grammar, King’s College, Kristin, and Avondale College, if it still has the same head as 13 years ago. Avondale College expelled boys who played Rugby League but would not play union for the school. I can see a prick of a headmaster who did that having moral problems with feeding people.

      There may be others.

  21. Bill 21

    81 comments on a left wing forum and only two people (?) [CV and Rhinocrates] have touched on the bloody obvious – which is that Fontera and Sanitarium are getting handed a heavily subsidised advertising campaign on a plate. What are people meant to percieve? That Cozy Cuddly Corporates are riding to the rescue? It’s such fucking ridiculous bullshit on so many levels that I’m honestly astounded those who speak from the left have accepted it on any level.

    To be clear – hungry school-children turning up to school hungry and with no lunch are a fcking bye-line in this whole affair.

    Lay a school kids meal tax on the fuckers and have their names removed from anything and everything to with school meals. I mean, that would just be fine by these benevolent corporations, right? The end would be the same from the children’s perspective and the same money would be coming from the same sources.

    And for any sop out there who is thinking “but at least the kids are getting fed”… well, means shape ends. And corporates raiding the public purse to boost their profile and sales off the back of real need is not fucking okay.

    edit – and just possibly ‘worse then nothing’ in the long run.

    • Colonial Viper 21.1

      +1

      people conditioned to be thankful for drippings from the manor table.

    • prism 21.2

      I realise that principles and ideology don’t blend with milk for a nourishing breakfast Bill. It is a waste of time to suggest you could be pragmatic on this.

      • Colonial Viper 21.2.1

        The lord of the manor has chosen to be generous to us commoners today, be thankful for the drippings that you get too

      • Bill 21.2.2

        But there is ideology being ‘blended with the milk’ on this. That’s my whole point. And that it should be resisted.

        A tax is pragmatic. So are price caps on basic food needs that those two companies make vast profits on.

    • xtasy 21.3

      Right, Bill, and for those that missed it on Campbell Live, Sanitarium are not even considered a profit making “business” under valid NZ law. They are tax exempt, as they get away calling themselves a “charity”, believe it or not!

      Yes, that is true, they earn in total nearly 200 million a year, and what they spend, which was quoted, for some aid and other projects added up to barely 20 million, as I vaguely remember. Then of course they will have operational costs, but they claim they use all the rest for “support causes” and projects, which according to Campbell Live seem to rather be for their own members, the 7th Day Adventists.

      Promoting religion is accepted as “charitable” activity, the law apparently says. So free brand exposure, excellent marketing, early “bonding” of future customers by starting with the young, and then they have their future markets and incomes cut like a nicely cut cake.

      Welfare and “charity” selling food like all other food producers, all possible under NZ’s great tax laws.

      • prism 21.3.1

        xtas This thing about churches being automatically tax exempt because they are doing good (for God) is a pernicious moral hazard.

        A firm like Sanitarium grow large and don’t contribute to the country in which it operates, yet will sue using that country’s expensive legal processes, when they are not pleased with matters that do not meet with the laws supporting business of that country. Confusing.

        That they are putting some money into providing weetbix means that we are getting something from them, they just aren’t soaking up all the money they can and spending it on their own chosen interests.

        But Destiny Church and others can grow up and receive the same favourable treatment and behave less benignly than the Seventh Days.

        In the USA there used to be a church of people called the Moonies. I think it was led by a Korean preacher Rev Moon who was a cult starter. He ended up taking over a small town where he ran church businesses staffed by accolytes who worked for their board and little else, and probably gave him all their earthly possessions. The rest of the town suffered because there was no money circulating and businesses could be undercut by the Moonies. It hasn’t been in the news lately.

        Tax exemptions need to be limited for all religious and church entities. The same type of limit that applies to paying GST or did, should apply. That is that if you had a revenue of say $24,000 NZ then no GST. The same could apply to churches on their cash producing events or initiatives.

        • xtasy 21.3.1.1

          Those charities being church and similar organisations certainly need a thorough look at, re what they are doing.

          At the moment the government appears to have tightened the criteria to qualify for a charitable organisation to try and hit organisations like Greenpeace, as I understand it.

          I would consider them to be more worthy of being considered “charitable”, as they do actually dedicate a lot of hard work to protect the environment and endangered species, which is for the good of society as a whole, in practical terms, also for the future.

          Churches do their good deeds, yes, but some seem to be looking after their members before anyone else, or the “leaders” of the membership, so how “charitable” is that?

    • xtasy 21.4

      Sanitarium belonging to the 7th Day Adventists Church is legally a “charity”:

      See the last part of Campbell Live on TV3 from tonight, which is downloadable via their On Demand site, try the following link:

      http://www.tv3.co.nz/CAMPBELL-LIVE-Tuesday-May-28-2013/tabid/3692/articleID/93012/MCat/2908/Default.aspx

      It is the third part, after the interview with John Key, where they show what Sanitarium is all about, and that it is owned by the Seventh Day Adventists Church, basically and legally as a “charity”!

      Tax exempted business, run for a “good cause”, all legal in NZ!

    • xtasy 21.5

      Sanitarium, a brand name, legally administered as part of a “charity” operation by the Seventh Day Adventist Church, and registered with the Charities Register under the name ” Seventh Day Adventist Church in New Zealand 1″! See this link to take you to the particular registration in the register:

      http://www.register.charities.govt.nz/CharitiesRegister/ViewCharity?accountId=50d04b30-881c-dd11-99cd-0015c5f3da29&searchId=b3a9a649-3753-4e0d-a519-5bb8e9efcbeb

      Their annual return from last year is to be found here:

      http://www.register.charities.govt.nz/CharitiesRegister/PublicAnnualReturn?nocId=466ab024-e852-e211-84ab-00155d0d1916&charityRef=NEW19504&accountId=50d04b30-881c-dd11-99cd-0015c5f3da29&searchId=b3a9a649-3753-4e0d-a519-5bb8e9efcbeb&nocRef=SEV19486AR005

      If there are problems with the links, do your own search on:

      http://www.register.charities.govt.nz/CharitiesRegister/Search

      The first two are long links, regrettably, but it is revealing information, about a close knit, strong religious organisation – with also some questionable records re how members can be “tied in” and have struggled to leave the organisation. At least the church has a name for being a bit like a sect in overseas countries.

      But in gullible New Zealand, the public love “good deeds”, no matter who is behind it, right?

      Many in Europe would shudder with the thought of such a religious organsiation being involved so heavily in feeding needy school kids.

      Sorry to spoil your fun, once again. I am nasty, aye?

  22. the central scutinizer 22

    weetbix and milk yuk. I hope chelsea are going to jump on the band wagon.

    • peterlepaysan 22.1

      Chelsea is already there. What do people sprinkle on weetbix?

      Fruit is served with weetbix, fruit is essentially sugar and water.

      Apart from milk (arguably), butter and cheese the remainder of Fonterras products are dubious.

      Sugar is hardly a desirable healthy food.

      What Fonterra and Sanitarium offer are extremely high glucose inducing orally introduced substances into empty stomachs.

      There is precious little else the empty stomachs will contribute to young growing bodies other than glucose after being fed Sanitarium and/or Fonterra products

      We have a Wall Street trader encouraging children to accept sweets from strangers?

      Interesting…….

  23. vto 23

    They think they’ve got a winner and nullified the cry….
    silly fools
    the
    give away
    being John Key and his
    non-believing eye…

  24. Yes 24

    Why didn’t labour put this in place when they were power…poverty was the same then if not worse

    • Colonial Viper 24.1

      Don’t ignore the extra 100,000 unemployed under National

      • Yes 24.1.1

        So which part of the great recession and chch earthquake was under national watch or in nationals policies.

        • Colonial Viper 24.1.1.1

          irrelevant excuses. Get with it.

          National should have massively ramped up trade training within 90 days of the Christchurch earthquake, taking up thousands of unemployed youth. They didn’t.

          They should also have spent monies directly into the economy on conservation, transport and energy infrastructure, employing large numbers of highly skilled staff. They didn’t. Not only did they do the opposite, they couldn’t even deliver on the promise of a measley cycle way.

          Lastly they let manufacturing wither on the vine by doing things like giving away manufacturing contracts to the Chinese and refusing to control the exchange rate.

          • Yes 24.1.1.1.1

            Tell me regardless if poverty levels at say 100,000 when labour was in power why didn’t they do anything then?

            • vto 24.1.1.1.1.1

              you’re useless yes

              • Yes

                Useless…like what? … Poverty in NZ is about useless parents who don give a dam..we have a great social security system. The root of this so called poverty is based on perception. I have see poverty in India like no other…war torn middle east a different type of poverty..the only poverty I see in NZ is bad choices by bad parents.

                I have male friends who have up to 11 kids to multiply mothers…why is the government taking the blame to lax social systems over many years.

                • vto

                  .
                  ” Poverty in NZ is about useless parents who don give a dam..”
                  No that is only rarely the case. Certainly no more than the human norm.

                  “..the only poverty I see in NZ is bad choices by bad parents.”
                  Really? Throw an example,,, with specifics.

                  “I have male friends who have up to 11 kids to multiply mothers…why is the government taking the blame to lax social systems over many years.”
                  What? Slack Fathers need to get their shit together but meantime we don’t need to have the beautiful children suffer.

                  split the issues

                  then re place

                • prism

                  Yes – No
                  Rave rant blame condemn criticise. You haven’t got an idea in what passes for your brain. And you don’t know much except the little group that you mix with. There are many poor parents who don’t fit your friends’ pattern. Old saying – birds of a feather fly together. If you have friends that downtrou and then move on with no concern about what they are doing you can see the problem clearly. It is as hard to change loose habits as it is to change your friends. Start on yourself.

                  • Yes

                    Lol..tree hugger

                    • Colonial Viper

                      yeah, that’s real mature buddy.

                    • vto

                      Lol. paper money hugger

                    • Murray Olsen

                      It’s not the kids’ fault that all your girlfriends preferred sleeping with your mates to being with you. After it happened 11 times with only one of your best mates, you might have considered that you were the problem.

                    • prism

                      Yes
                      Lol Tramper shooter.

                  • Yes

                    I have represented my country … Don’t ever tell me to start with myself..start with yourself

                    • vto

                      So what do you think we should all do Yes?

                    • prism

                      Yes
                      What at? Being a bully boy somewhere – in simple sports contests (beating others – striving to break a time limit or achieve a high placing in a numbers list) or in a ‘peace-making zone’? The government doesn’t always do the right thing, just representing your country, patriotism, doesn’t make you an honourable, intelligent citizen. You have to work at doing and thinking ethical things.

                • North

                  You’re illiterate Yes. Don’t waste our time.

                  • Yes

                    What shall we all do. Take a deep breath. Poverty is the responsibility of all..not just the government of today.

                    Let’s get some social structures back into NZ. Benefit bashing isn’t good but how do you stop the ever continous cycle. Let’s take away some of safety nets for people who just keep on being lazy in their decision making. I read once 75% of the people in poverty could have been in a better situation is they made better decisions.

                    I back supporting the 25% ..that is good social welfare and important.

                    First we have to accept we have a lost generation and will support this current group. Sad but we will need to do that. Now there is a whole lot of kids that aren’t born or conceived so let’s put some dam hard social policies to prevent these kids into a life of poverty.

                    So make people work for their social security payment and for me work is as simple as getting up in the morning and going to a place of work even if it government funded.

                    Poverty is extrapolated through out of wedlock pregnancy or in wedlock pregnancy without great family planning thinking. Stop church taking 10% ..huge and massive issue in south Auckland. Close down liquor stores in deprived areas.

                    Crucify criminals get so tough they disappear..look no further than what was done in new York…no comparison to 9/11 please.

                    Tax rates need to go up 5%

                    There is a start

                    • Colonial Viper

                      Oh fuck off you fantasist. I laughed when you said you want to return structure to NZ communities but let’s stop people contributing to their churches. What are you, an idiot?

                      The people who are lazy in this country are the ones earning billions in unearned income, draining our communities dry, ticket clipping and sending NZ funds off overseas.

                      Yes, let’s give everyone a full time job, but a real job with a real purpose and real value to the community, at a living wage.

                      Not your slave wages job.

                      I read once 75% of the people in poverty could have been in a better situation is they made better decisions.

                      I back supporting the 25% ..that is good social welfare and important.

                      Don’t you want people to take risks in life? Don’t you think people make mistakes and need to be given a second and sometimes third chance? Don’t you understand that life is a learning process and sometimes it’s a school of hard knocks?

                      Fucking asshole.

                    • prism

                      Yes
                      Definitely some thinking starting there. Keep on thinking around the problem, using your understanding of present-day pitfalls that young people can get into. Also the fact that there aren’t the jobs that a nation should have if it was using all its resources to look after itself with imports assisting that process. You could apply your mind to how we keep work in NZ for NZs so that young people can work and plan for a future, a house and some prosperity instead of getting on day by day.

                    • prism

                      Yes
                      Do you belong to ACT? It sounds like your sort of place. Full of complacency and criticism and superiority. And half informed – knowing about things but not understanding them.

  25. Yes 25

    Agree

  26. Yes 26

    Colonel viper..do you work. Yes or no?

    [lprent:

    a. Using the reply button would help identify who you are talking to. There is no such handle in use.

    b. The question itself isn’t something that we allow, which is why I was having go at Typer.

    c. If people offer information about themselves unprompted then that is one thing. However demanding it of others often involves me appearing in a irritated moderation reflective mode shining back a exaggerated version of the askers question on them as a warning (and frequently just banning outright).

    d. That is because it violates both the intent of the privacy part of our policy and is a classic starter for a particularly irritating to read style of flame-war.

    e. So come on – who wants to be the first person to receive a involuntary holiday from the site?… I’m knee-deep in recalcitrant code and have some frustration to offload. ]

    • Yes 26.1

      Accepted..can I rephrase. If he can call me a f… Asshole…when not once have I sworn or even used tough words..I was asked my views which I gave with sincerity.

      So my rephrase of the question is;

      Colonel viper…in your statement how many chances should we give people?

      • Colonial Viper 26.1.1

        Lots and lots. Until they cross a red line, you don’t stop helping them turn things around. If they don’t want to be helped, then you help their kids, or their spouses. There are no disposable people in this country.

        Accepted..can I rephrase. If he can call me a f… Asshole…when not once have I sworn or even used tough words..I was asked my views which I gave with sincerity.

        I don’t overly value sincerity. The man bludgeoning your kids to death with a pry bar is very sincere and indeed heartfelt in what he is doing. As is the man pushing poor New Zealanders off the edge of a cliff one by one.

  27. xtasy 27

    “There is NO extreme poverty in New Zealand”, so says Paula Bennett, to be heard in this iterview on Checkpoint tonight (28 May 2013):

    http://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/checkpoint/audio/2556654/government-to-expand-food-in-schools-programme.asx

    To be found directly via that link, otherwise search the clip to be found via Radio NZ’s website under audios:

    http://www.radionz.co.nz/audio?filter=national#

    It is the one 7 minutes and about 50 seconds long!

    At about 6 minutes and 40 seconds she seems to contradict herself, re something she said earlier, but she insists that there is no extreme poverty in New Zealand.

    • Colonial Viper 27.1

      Since Bennett classifies “extreme poverty” as the poor end of Haiti, she’s probably quite right.

  28. Is this better than nothing? The point is that there was and is not nothing as lots of schools are already feeding their needy kids. So exactly what quantity and quality is Key’s little stunt going to deliver?
    The ;political parties that are promising to feed the kids should be doing it via the existing setups in school and promoting it where it is lacking. Not waiting for the election. What better way to activate the 800,000 non-voters turned off by Labour’s patronising of the poor last time.
    Key has cut Kids Can from out of feeding to give Santarium and Fonterra a duopoly.
    So the kids are getting hooked on servility to corporate charity rather than community self-reliance.
    When interviewed on TV3, lots of the kids parroted the NACT line, no food in the house.
    The big example on TV3 was a Mt Roskill School which has already been feeding kids breakfast for 6 years. Nothing to do with Key.
    Campbell Live gave Key an easy ride and let him evade the question about funding exclusive private schools for 10 times what he is paying to drip feed breakfast to the poor kids.
    Hone had the right reply to Key’s stunt, he spat on the floor.

    • Dv 28.1

      >>Campbell Live gave Key an easy ride and let him evade the question about funding exclusive private schools for 10 times what he is paying to drip feed breakfast to the poor kids.

      Keys answer was that the schools pay at least the amount the get in GST

      That sounds odd, and wrong.

      Can any one shine any light on that?

      Any way does that can i get a hand out equivalent to the GST i pay?

      • red rattler 28.1.1

        Its a total bullshit answer. Campbell had him live but failed to expose him. Campbell is like all liberals, hot air when it comes to nailing the hypocrisy of the ruling class.
        The standard NACT argument about state funding of private education is that the parents pay twice, taxes which provide “free” state education (which they ‘choose’ to opt out of), and school fees to buy their children’s education. He’s saying they are getting their GST on fees back to compensate. It’s OK because its less than it would cost the state to provide state education for children in private schools.
        There is really only one serious left response – abolish GST on everything and whack a 100% capital gains tax on all unimproved land since none of that value results from economic activity and arises solely out of demand for the finite supply of land.

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    Opposable ThumbBy Unknown
    5 days ago
  • Forty years of change in the jobs Kiwi do and the places they call home
    John MacCormick Over the last 40 years, New Zealanders – and people in other countries – have experienced big changes in the jobs they do and where they live and work. These changes include: a decline in manufacturing jobs an increase in jobs in ‘information-intensive’ industries (which are better paid ...
    SciBlogsBy Guest Author
    5 days ago
  • Protecting Fresh Waterways in Aotearoa/NZ: The Strong Public Health Case
    Nick Wilson, Leah Grout, Mereana Wilson, Anja Mizdrak, Phil Shoemack, Michael Baker Protecting waterways has the benefits of: (1) protecting water from hazardous microbes; (2) minimising cancer risk and other problems from nitrates in water; (3) avoiding algal blooms that are hazardous to health; (4) protecting mahinga kai uses (cultural ...
    SciBlogsBy Public Health Expert
    6 days ago
  • Massey University triggered to rebrand
    by The Council of Disobedient Women In a press release today Massey University announced it has decided to rebrand and reorientate after struggling to be a University for grown-ups. For some time the University has wanted to be a safe play space for wee-woke-misogynists who have been really badly triggered ...
    RedlineBy Daphna
    6 days ago
  • Swinson backing calls for a second referendum (again)
    After a brief dalliance with 'hard Revoke' it looks like the Lib Dems are changing ground on on Brexit, with leader Jo Swinson reverting to calling for a second referendum on Johnson's deal.The party has tabled an amendment to the Queen’s speech requesting that any deal brought back from Brussels ...
    6 days ago
  • An odious bill
    The government has decided that someone has done Something Bad. But despite their belief, there seems to be no evidence that they have actually broken the law. So the government's solution is to pass a retrospective law allowing them to be punished anyway, on a lower standard of proof. If ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    6 days ago
  • National is now the party of climate arson
    So, Judith Collins has done a Facebook rant about climate change, peddling the same shit National has been shovelling for the past twenty years: the impacts are overstated, there's no need to do anything about it, and its too hard anyway (oh, and its so unfair that people who peddle ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    6 days ago
  • The environmental footprint of electric versus fossil car
    Climate Explained is a collaboration between The Conversation, Stuff and the New Zealand Science Media Centre to answer your questions about climate change. If you have a question you’d like an expert to answer, please send it to climate.change@stuff.co.nz There is a lot of discussion on the benefits of ...
    SciBlogsBy Guest Author
    6 days ago
  • “Manifest” by Andrew Bird – A Song For The Times.
    I came across this song quite by accident. If it isn't one of Greta Thunberg's favourites - it should be.Video courtesy of YouTube.This post is exclusive to Bowalley Road. ...
    6 days ago
  • Passing the buck
    Last month, NZDF's shoddy coverup of what it knew about civilian casualties in Operation Burnham began to fall apart, with the revelation that a report on the matter, which NZDF claimed not to have, had been sitting in an NZDF safe for the past nine years. Yesterday, the man responsible ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    6 days ago
  • India a major player in Earth observation satellites
    While many imagine that countries like the USA and Europe dominate space activities, in fact India is now a major player on this stage. It launches satellites for its own purposes and also commercially, and has constellations orbiting our planet and returning data of vital importance to that nation in ...
    SciBlogsBy Duncan Steel
    7 days ago
  • The rot at the top (2).
    Thanks to a report from the Acting Inspector General of Intelligence and Security following a complaint by Nicky Hager, we have come to find out that the SIS illegally spied on Mr. Hager on behalf of the NZDF after publication of Hager’s 2011 book, Other People’s Wars. The NZDF justified ...
    KiwipoliticoBy Pablo
    1 week ago
  • Common misconceptions about “Global Warming”
    COMMON MISCONCEPTIONS ABOUT GLOBAL WARMING MYTH 1: Global temperatures are rising at a rapid, unprecedented rate. FACT: The HadCRUT3 surface temperature index, produced by the Hadley Centre of the UK Met Office and the Climate Research Unit of the University of East Anglia, shows warming to 1878, cooling to 1911, ...
    An average kiwiBy admin@averagekiwi.com
    1 week ago
  • A climate of tyranny
    For the past week, Extinction Rebellion has been peacefully protesting in London to demand action on climate change. The British government's response? Ban their protests:Police have banned Extinction Rebellion protests from continuing anywhere in London, as they moved in almost without warning to clear protesters who remained at the movement’s ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • Collins crushes climate
    An essay by Judith Collins MP reported on Carbon News yesterday seems to show an alarming shift in attitude within the National Party. Collins argues against the Zero Carbon Bill, the Paris Agreement, and downplays the magnitude of climate impacts. The Paris Agreement was adopted in December 2015 and ratified ...
    SciBlogsBy Robert McLachlan
    1 week ago
  • More disappointment
    When they were running for election, Labour promised to overhaul the Employment Relations Act and introduce fair pay agreements to set basic pay and conditions on an industry level, preventing bad employers from undercutting good ones. They followed this up by establishing a working group, which reported back in January ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • What do these mother-child studies really say about fluoridation?
    A list of indicators of bad science – many of these are found in articles promoted by anti-fluoride activists. Anti-fluoride activists have been pouring money into a scaremongering campaign warning pregnant women not to drink fluoridated water. They claim fluoride will lower the IQ of their future child. Fluoride ...
    1 week ago
  • Losing Labour’s Mills-Tone.
    Nothing Left To Say: Labour's pollster, Stephen Mills, remains swaddled-up in the comforting myths of the 1980s. As if the experience of Roger Douglas’s genuinely radical post-Muldoon policy agenda was literally a once-in-a-lifetime thing – as much as the party could possibly absorb for at least the next 50 years.MEMO ...
    1 week ago
  • Speaker: Disability and the Royal Commission of Inquiry into Historical Abuse
    The Royal Commission on abuse in care is very significant for the disability community. For many decades last century, thousands of disabled children, and adults who managed to survive, were locked away from families and communities. This was not for anything they had done, but for the perceived threat their ...
    1 week ago
  • Spain is not a democracy
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • UK Conservatives hate democracy
    With an unfair voting system, uneven electorates and an un-elected upper house, the UK's "democracy" is barely worthy of the name. But now the government wants to make it worse:The government has been accused of suppressing voters’ rights with the potential disenfranchisement of tens of thousands of people after plans ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • What is wrong with our building industry?
    Back in the 90's and early 2000's, the building industry was building leaky homes which should never have been granted consent. Now it turns out they've been building dodgy office blocks as well:New imaging technology has revealed hundreds of major buildings nationwide have defective or missing concrete or reinforcing steel. ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • Local bodies
    Local body election results were released over the weekend, to joy or despair depending on where you live. In Auckland, Phil Goff trounced John Tamihere, who is muttering darkly about running for Parliament again (but which party would want him?) Wellington is now a wholly-owned subsidiary of Weta Workshop, except ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • A future of government
      How could government evolve over the next decades? Reports of democracy’s imminent demise are greatly exaggerated.  However, satisfaction with political systems in many countries is low, so there is much to do for governments of all political stripes to improve relevance and trust. Digital technologies are seen as one ...
    SciBlogsBy Robert Hickson
    1 week ago
  • Speaker: Catalonia, interrupted
    Two years have now gone by since the Friday afternoon when my university-student son and I headed out of our Barcelona flat to a nearby primary school, designated as a polling station for the vote that was to be held the following Sunday: the referendum on Catalonia’s independence from Spain ...
    1 week ago
  • Sage Decisions Unwisely Over-Ruled.
    Overruled: The joint decision of Finance Minister, Grant Robertson (Labour) and his Associate Minister, David Parker (Labour) arguably the two most powerful ministers in Jacinda Ardern’s government, to grant OceanaGold the consents which Land Information Minister, Eugenie Sage (Greens) had earlier denied them, offers bitter proof of how hard fighting ...
    1 week ago
  • Government may ban voting in effort to get more people to do it
    More than double the number of people who will vote in this year’s local body elections have tried marijuana or urinated somewhere they shouldn’t have. As local elections look set for the lowest turnout in decades, with many regions falling well short of 40%, the Government is exploring a number ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    2 weeks ago
  • Woman: Deleted.
    A Statement on Abortion Law Reform by the Council of Disobedient Women   On the eve of bringing an end to antiquated, anti-women abortion laws Green MP Jan Logie intends to write women out of the Bill. With a stroke of the pen, the woke are aiming for total erasure ...
    RedlineBy Daphna
    2 weeks ago
  • The Hollowest of Men Ride Again… SURPRISE!
    Musings continue apace about “the experienced businessman!” soon to be taking up a National Party MP position. Or to be more accurate, being parachuted into a seat to shut down their former MP Jamie-Lee Ross, who despite his own shortcomings shed at least some more light on the inner workings ...
    exhALANtBy exhalantblog
    2 weeks ago
  • Barbaric
    The Ugandan government wants to murder gay people:Uganda has announced plans to impose the death penalty on homosexuals. The bill, colloquially known as “Kill the Gays” in Uganda, was nullified five years ago on a technicality, but the government said on Thursday it plans to resurrect it within weeks. The ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • Is this study legit? 5 questions to ask when reading news stories of medical research
    Hassan Vally, La Trobe University Who doesn’t want to know if drinking that second or third cup of coffee a day will improve your memory, or if sleeping too much increases your risk of a heart attack? We’re invested in staying healthy and many of us are interested in reading ...
    SciBlogsBy Guest Author
    2 weeks ago
  • Fighting Monsters.
    Freedom Of Speech? The Säuberung (cleansing by fire) was the work of the German Student Union which, on 10 May 1933, under the watchful eye of the Nazi Reichminister for Propaganda, Joseph Goebbels, consigned 25,000 books to the flames in a ritual exorcism of “un-German thought”. According to the logic of the ...
    2 weeks ago
  • The next wave of kaupapa Māori politics: its constitutional, it must be.
      “There can be no such thing as kaupapa Māori political parties or politics in Aotearoa” (Willie Jackson, Labour Party (2017). Māori TV, General/List Election Special) I begin with that claim because at the time, I was confounded at first that it fell out of Willie Jackson’s mouth, and then ...
    EllipsisterBy Ellipsister
    2 weeks ago
  • Night lights of NZ from orbit
    New Zealand has prided itself for decades with regard to its lack of pollution, and all will be aware that the ‘100% Pure New Zealand‘ meme is under threat through land, water and air pollution of various causes. There is another type of contamination that the country also faces: light ...
    SciBlogsBy Duncan Steel
    2 weeks ago
  • Reporters deliver uplifting news to fleeing Japanese residents: they won’t miss any rugby
    New Zealand’s media is doing its part in Japan, reassuring those in the path of the storm that they won’t miss any rugby while away from their flooded homes. New Zealand sports reporters stationed in Japan for the Rugby World Cup have had the rare and heartwarming opportunity to inform ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    2 weeks ago
  • Government in contentious discussions about whether to put surplus on red or black
    Regional Development Minister Shane Jones is the only Cabinet member in favour of putting it all on green. As Finance Minister Grant Robertson finds himself with an enormous $7.5 billion surplus, the Government has begun intense, at times contentious conversations about whether to put the money on red or black at ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    2 weeks ago
  • Jordanian teachers’ successful strike has lessons for here
    by Susanne Kemp At the start of September close to 100,000 school teachers went on strike in Jordan.  They demanded a 50% pay rise.  A pay rise actually agreed to by the regime back in 2014. In early October, however, in the face of government repression and threats, the teachers’ ...
    RedlineBy Admin
    2 weeks ago
  • Why some people still think climate change isn’t real
    Climate Explained is a collaboration between The Conversation, Stuff and the New Zealand Science Media Centre to answer your questions about climate change. If you have a question you’d like an expert to answer, please send it to climate.change@stuff.co.nz Why do people still think climate change isn’t real? David ...
    SciBlogsBy Guest Author
    2 weeks ago
  • The SIS unlawfully spied on Nicky Hager
    Back in 2011, journalist Nicky Hager published Other People's Wars, an expose on NZDF's activities over the previous decade of the "war on terror". NZDF didn't like this, and especially didn't like the fact that it was base don leaks from their own. So, they had the SIS investigate him ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • October 2019 – Newsletter
    https://mailchi.mp/7d9133add053/closing-the-gap-october-2019-newsletter ...
    Closing the GapBy Tracey Sharp
    2 weeks ago
  • And they wonder why we think they’re environmental vandals…
    The Zero Carbon Bill is due back from select committee in two weeks, and will likely pass its final stages in November. So naturally, farmers are planning a hate-march against it. But they're not just demanding lower methane targets so they can keep on destroying the planet; they're also demanding ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • Climate Change: Paying the price in California
    Last year, California burned. This year, to stop it happening again (or rather, to stop themselves from being found liable if it happens again), Pacific Gas and Electric is cutting power to half the state for a week:Schools are closed. Traffic lights down. Tunnels dark. Businesses unopened. Hospitals running on ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • Let’s Hear It For Up-Close-And-Personal, Hard-Copy Democracy!
    The Best Way: Missing from the on-line voting debate is any reference to the voting system that produces turn-out figures ranging from 77 to 93 percent of registered voters. The voting system used to collect and count the votes cast in our parliamentary elections. The system that involves citizens making ...
    2 weeks ago
  • 10/10: World Day Against the Death Penalty
    Today, October 10, is the world day against the death penalty. Out of 195 UN member states, 84 still permit capital punishment. Today is the day we work to change that. This year's theme is children. Having a parent sentenced to death or executed causes long-term trauma and stigmatization which ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • Talking Freer Lives: a Marxist gender-critical perspective from Australia
    Among the great new bunch of political friends we have been making recently is the excellent Australian-based Marxist gender-critical site, Freer Lives.  So we asked the comrade who set up that blog to write something for Redline on the blog, himself, his analysis of the rise of gender politics and ...
    RedlineBy Admin
    2 weeks ago
  • Government spin accepted by union leadership
    by Don Franks  The Auckland City Mission is struggling with a 40 percent increase in demand for food parcels this year. A total of 23,020 were needed by June. Last month Missioner Chris Farrelly told the Herald the “cupboards are bare” and without an emergency food drive, he can’t see ...
    RedlineBy Daphna
    2 weeks ago
  • Forbidden Thoughts
    by The Council of Disobedient Women   Massey Wellington Student Association had a sit-in today. Imagine a sit-in. On a campus. Against a women’s rights meeting. Did the ’60s really happen or did we fucking dream it? They gathered in the student square, an echo chamber. Sitting on soft pillows ...
    RedlineBy Daphna
    2 weeks ago
  • Much love to my loyal Ukrainian readership
    For some reasons, my post about the mystery message from inside the Downing Street bunker seemed to catch people's attention.  Quite a lot of hits from NZ (unsurprisingly) and the USA (a bit more puzzlingly, but hi there, USAians!!) and 76 views from the Ukraine.I've celebrated my Ukrainian readers in ...
    2 weeks ago

  • Ngāi Tahu CEO appointed to NZ-China Council
    Minister for Māori Development, Nanaia Mahuta, has selected Arihia Bennett MNZM, Chief Executive Officer of Te Rūnanga o Ngāi Tahu, as the Te Puni Kōkiri appointed representative on the New Zealand-China Council. The New Zealand-China Council (the Council) was established in 2012 as a New Zealand led and funded organisation ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    2 hours ago
  • Southern Response claims move to EQC
    Responsibility for processing the small number of Southern Response claims still to be settled will be transferred to EQC by the end of the year. “As claim numbers reduce, it no longer makes sense for the Crown to have two organisations processing the remaining Canterbury claims,” Grant Robertson says. “Since ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    5 hours ago
  • Bowel screening starts in Whanganui
    Health Minister David Clark is encouraging Whanganui residents to take up the opportunity for free bowel screening, which can detect cancer early when it’s easier to treat.   Over the next two years 12,000 Whanganui locals, aged 60 to 74 will be invited to participate in the National Bowel Screening ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    7 hours ago
  • Pacific Peoples Minister to attend Our Ocean Conference in Norway
    Minister for Pacific Peoples Aupito William Sio, heads to Oslo today to represent New Zealand at the sixth Our Ocean Conference, which is being hosted by the Norwegian Government from the 23-24 October. “The Our Ocean Conference mobilises real action on issues like marine plastic pollution and the impacts of ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 day ago
  • Government announces 27 percent increase in Trades Academy places
    Two secondary-school initiatives are being expanded as part of the Government’s plan to see more young New Zealanders take up a trade to help close the skills gap.   This includes the largest single increase in Trades Academy places in recent years. Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern and Education Minister Chris ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 day ago
  • Speech to the New Zealand Institute of International Affairs, Pacific Futures Conference: Connection...
    Session 4: Pacific Connectivity – Youth, Media and New Opportunities   Kia ora tatou katoa and Warm Pacific greetings to one and all. Representatives of Tainui, the local people of the land, or manawhenua – the indigenous peoples of this area – have welcomed you this morning in accordance with ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    4 days ago
  • Methane reducing cattle feed one step closer
    The Government today announced its support for a project that could substantially reduce agricultural greenhouse gas emissions from cattle. The announcement was made as part of Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern’s and Agriculture Minister Damien O’Connor’s visit to Nelson’s Cawthron Aquaculture Park. The Cawthron Institute will receive $100,000 from the Government’s ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    4 days ago
  • Bill to refresh superannuation system passes first reading
    Social Development Minister Carmel Sepuloni has welcomed the first reading of the New Zealand Superannuation and Veteran’s Pension Legislation Amendment Bill. “Every New Zealander has a stake in New Zealand Superannuation and Veteran’s Pension,” says Carmel Sepuloni. “They are our most common form of social assistance – nearly 800,000 New ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    4 days ago
  • Government announces next steps in fight against measles
    Babies in Auckland aged six months and over can receive a free vaccination and children will all have access to vaccines, Associate Minister of Health Julie Anne Genter announced today at Papatoetoe High School.   The move comes as part of Government efforts to step up the fight against measles. ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    4 days ago
  • Speech to the New Zealand Institute of International Affairs, Pacific Futures: Connections, Identity...
    ***Check against delivery*** Good morning. It is a pleasure to be here, and to have the honour of opening this important conference on behalf of the New Zealand Institute of International Affairs. Let us take the opportunity to acknowledge all the people who have helped make today possible, including our special ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    4 days ago
  • Police trial new response to high risk events
    Police Minister Stuart Nash says the safety of frontline officers and members of the public will be the focus of a new trial of specialist Police response teams in three of our largest urban centres. Police have this morning released details of an initiative to be trialled in Counties Manukau, ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    4 days ago
  • New awards celebrate fisheries sustainability
    The Minister of Fisheries is calling for entries for a new public award to celebrate innovation in our seafood sector. “I have established the Seafood Sustainability Awards to recognise and celebrate those throughout industry, tangata whenua and communities who demonstrate outstanding dedication and innovation towards the sustainability of New Zealand’s ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    4 days ago
  • More progress for women and we can do more
    Minister for Women Julie Anne Genter welcomes leaders in the private sector taking action on closing their gender pay gaps to ensure a fairer workplace for all New Zealanders. Ms Genter today launched a new report, Addressing the gender pay gap and driving women’s representation in senior leadership, from the Champions for ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    5 days ago
  • Proposals to curb environmental damage help our coasts and the oceans
    Government Ministers today welcomed the release of a marine environment report highlighting the four key issues affecting our oceans, estuaries and coastlines.  The release underlines the importance of government proposals to combat climate pollution, ensure clean freshwater, protect biodiversity, make land use more sustainable, and reduce waste and plastic.    Environment ...
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    5 days ago
  • New mental health facility for Waikato
    The Government has approved funding for a new acute mental health facility for Waikato which will provide better care and support to people with mental health and addiction issues. Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern and Health Minister Dr David Clark announced the $100 million project to replace the aging Henry Rongomau ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    5 days ago
  • 500 new te reo Māori champions in our classrooms
    The Government is making progress on its goal to integrate te reo Māori into education by 2025, with over 500 teachers and support staff already graduating from Te Ahu o te Reo Māori,  Associate Education Minister Kelvin Davis announced today. Kelvin Davis made the announcement at an awards ceremony in Waikanae today, for ...
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    5 days ago
  • Minister James Shaw welcomes 2018 Census first release
    Statistics Minister James Shaw has welcomed the first release of 2018 Census data. The first release of data today, 23 September, includes key data on population, regional growth, the number of homes and the size of different ethnic groups in New Zealand. Data from the 2018 Census will support the ...
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    5 days ago
  • Driving transparency, ethics and accountability in government use of algorithms
    Minister for Statistics James Shaw today announced a public consultation on a proposed algorithm charter for government agencies. The charter has been developed by the Government Chief Data Steward in response to growing calls for more transparency in government use of data. Computer algorithms – procedures or formulas for solving ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    5 days ago
  • New Zealand and the Netherlands working together on climate change
    Agriculture Minister Damien O’Connor, Climate Change Minister James Shaw and visiting Dutch Prime Minister Mark Rutte co-hosted a business roundtable in Auckland this morning focused on working together to address climate change.  “The Netherlands is an important partner for New Zealand. We share a strong agricultural history. Sustainable agribusiness and ...
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    5 days ago
  • Protecting fairness for workers and businesses
    The Government is taking action to build an inclusive economy where more of us receive our fair share at work and businesses can compete on great products and services, not undercutting wages and conditions, Immigration and Workplace Relations and Safety Minister Iain Lees-Galloway says. Two consultations launched today seek feedback ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    5 days ago
  • Indigenous Freshwater Fish Bill Passes
    The future for New Zealand’s threatened indigenous freshwater fish looks brighter with the passing of the Conservation (Indigenous Freshwater Fish) Amendment Bill in Parliament today said Minister of Conservation, Eugenie Sage. “Until now, our freshwater fish legislation has been 20 years out of date. We have lacked effective tools to ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    6 days ago
  • Kiwis to take part in world’s biggest earthquake drill
    At 1.30pm tomorrow, hundreds of thousands of Kiwis will join about 65 million people around the globe in ShakeOut, the world’s biggest earthquake drill. The annual drill is to remind people of the right action to take during an earthquake which is to Drop, Cover, Hold, and to practise their ...
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    6 days ago
  • Rising wages and low inflation supporting Kiwis
    Kiwis are benefiting from higher wage growth and low inflation under the Coalition Government. Stats NZ data out today shows the rise in the cost of living remains low, as annual Consumers Price Index (CPI) inflation fell to 1.5% in September from 1.7% in June. “The low inflation comes as ...
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    6 days ago
  • NZ economy strong amid global headwinds
    New Zealand’s economic strength and resilience has been recognised in a major update on the state of the global economy. The IMF’s latest World Economic Outlook released overnight shows a reduced global growth forecast over the next two years as issues like the US-China trade war and Brexit take hold. ...
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    6 days ago
  • Keeping New Zealanders safer with better counter-terrorism laws
    Justice Minister Andrew Little has today introduced a new Bill to prevent terrorism and support the de-radicalisation of New Zealanders returning from overseas. The Terrorism Suppression (Control Orders) Bill gives the New Zealand Police the ability to apply to the High Court to impose control orders on New Zealanders who ...
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    6 days ago
  • Improved succession and dispute resolution core of Ture Whenua changes
    A Bill that proposes targeted changes to simplify the processes for Māori land owners when engaging with the Māori Land Court has had its First Reading today. “The approach taken by the Government is to ensure that the protection of Māori land remains a priority as we seek to improve ...
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  • Speech to CTU Biennial Conference
    Let me first thank all the new unionists and members in the room. There is nothing more important to improving people’s working lives than people making the decision to care, to get on board and help, to take up the reins and get involved. Congratulations to you. You bring the ...
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  • Minister ensures continued Whenuapai flight operations
    Minister of Defence Ron Mark has signed a certificate exempting the activity of engine testing at Whenuapai Airbase from the Resource Management Act 1991. The Act gives the Minister of Defence the power to exempt activities for the purposes of national security.  The certificate will mean the recent Environment Court ...
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    6 days ago
  • NZ joins Coalition of Finance Ministers for Climate Action
    Finance Minister Grant Robertson has announced New Zealand will join the Coalition of Finance Ministers for Climate Action while attending APEC meetings in Chile. The objective of the 39 member Coalition is to share information and promote action to tackle climate change. It was formed in April this year, in ...
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    6 days ago
  • Feedback Sought – Section 71 – Lyttelton Parking
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    1 week ago
  • Feedback Sought – Section 71 – Hagley Oval
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    1 week ago
  • CTU speech – DPM
    Ladies and gentlemen, NZCTU President Richard Wagstaff, members of respective unions – thank you for the invitation to speak to you today. This might be preaching to the choir, but the importance of trade unions in New Zealand’s historical arch is difficult to understate. And it is my belief that ...
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    1 week ago
  • Police Association Annual Conference
    "Let’s start by acknowledging that it has been a huge year. " Police Association Annual Conference James Cook Grand Chancellor Hotel Wellington Nau mai, haere mai. Tēnā koutou, tēnā koutou, ka nui te mihi, ki a koutou katoa. President of the Police Association, Chris Cahill; Members of the Association and ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 week ago
  • New Zealand announces a further P-3 deployment in support of UN sanctions
    Minister of Foreign Affairs Winston Peters and Minister of Defence Ron Mark have announced the New Zealand Government’s decision to again deploy a Royal New Zealand Air Force P-3K2 (P-3) maritime patrol aircraft to support the implementation of United Nations Security Council (UNSC) resolutions imposing sanctions against North Korea. New ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 week ago
  • New Zealand deeply concerned at developments in north-east Syria
    Foreign Affairs Minister Winston Peters says New Zealand continues to have serious concerns for peace and stability in north-east Syria. “Recent reports that hundreds of ISIS-affiliated families have fled from a camp are deeply concerning from a humanitarian and security perspective”, Mr Peters says. “While we acknowledge Turkey’s domestic security ...
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