Daily review 01/11/2021

25 comments on “Daily review 01/11/2021 ”

• Comments are now closed

1. weka 1

   1 November 2021 at 6:14 pm

   Anyone got a tl;dl from today’s announcement?
   • Janice 1.1

     1 November 2021 at 6:49 pm

     Don't know, what is it? Should I get tested? Can I sell/eat it? Is it carbon neutral?
   • aj 1.2

     1 November 2021 at 8:39 pm

     Good summary of conference and presser.

     https://twitter.com/FallenRedNinja/status/1455006998634774528
2. Johnr 2

   1 November 2021 at 7:10 pm

   I have real difficulty understanding the supposed experts narrative regarding Maori vaxx rates.

   All of their theories imply, to me, that they consider Maori to be too dumb and stupid to understand what's going on, and lack the know how to sort it.

   Dumb and stupid is certainly not my impression of Maori people.

   Yes I'm a whitey, but my Rongowhakaata wife of 53 years is the sharpest knife in our family drawer.
   • miravox 2.1

     1 November 2021 at 9:14 pm

     All of their theories imply, to me, that they consider Maori to be too dumb and stupid to understand what's going on, and lack the know how to sort it.

     Frustrating isn't it? It's dumb and stupid to believe Maori are any less diverse in their attitudes and motivations to vaccines than Pakeha. What's different is the structural inequity in the delivery of the roll-out and the underlying inequity in relationships between Maori and many government agencies over a long period of time.

     Newsroom has a commentary on an RNZ podcast about government not understanding some issues. In it they talk about the Kawerau roll-out.

     Florence Kerr has a piece in Stuff that powerfully captures some of the views in the area I was familiar with as child. I wrote comment from my whitey perspective about that yesterday as well.
   • McFlock 2.2

     1 November 2021 at 9:40 pm

     on that – saw an interesting tweet in the past couple of hours:

     John Tamihere has been taking the MoH to court to get individual information on unvaccinated Māori for his Whānau Ora Commissioning agency. MoH had declined the info on privacy grounds, but tweeter reckons the judgement has just come back in favour of WOCA.

     “the Ministry’s power to disclose information under r11(2)(d) of the Health Information Privacy Code [serious threat to public health] in the context of the COVID-19 vaccination programme must be exercised in accordance with Te Tiriti o Waitangi and its principles”

     No on stuff yet as far as I can see, but will have big repercussions for the health system well after covid if the main bits are accurate.
     • Patricia Bremner 2.2.1

       2 November 2021 at 3:44 am

       Reported in full today. Well done John Tamihere. We have to do better at partnership.
3. Pete 3

   1 November 2021 at 7:16 pm

   "Iwi leader's husband punched at mobile vax stop in South Taranaki"

   "The husband of Te Pāti Māori co-leader Debbie Ngarewa-Packer was punched as he helped out at a mobile Covid-19 vaccination spot over the weekend.

   On Saturday, Neil Packer was struck in the face on the side of South Rd in Hāwera by a man described as being angry at the work being done by the couple and volunteers."

   " … believed he had travelled to Hāwera from New Plymouth, after attending a ‘freedom event’ at Puke Ariki Landing, which attracted hundreds of people on Saturday."

   No doubt another 'freedom fighter' who wants everyone to have freedom except those who he deems shouldn't have it.

   https://www.stuff.co.nz/taranaki-daily-news/news/126851738/iwi-leaders-husband-punched-at-mobile-vax-stop-in-south-taranaki
4. McFlock 4

   1 November 2021 at 7:17 pm

   Let's see:

   Expecting 1400 cases a week by the end of the month (11 new ICU cases a week by then), still planning to open Auckland up a bit more next week, while Tairawhiti, Whanganui, and Northland DHBs will get to 90% vaccinated sometime after the New Year.

   Des Gorman seems to be winning the ear of government, bugger it. Dunno what advice they're taking, but it looks like the finish line was so close they've eased off to get their laurels, and covid is running up the outside.
   
5. joe90 5

   1 November 2021 at 7:17 pm

   Turns out the Scotty from marketing routine only works on some of the people some of the time.

   https://twitter.com/pablovinales/status/1454900301975089154

   Rome: Scott Morrison has been branded a liar by French President Emmanuel Macron in an incendiary claim that has deepened a rift between Australia and France and created a political storm over the Prime Minister’s integrity.

   Macron levelled the charge against Mr Morrison as the pair joined other world leaders for climate talks in Glasgow, drawing the Prime Minister into a spiral of claim and counter-claim over how and why Australia cancelled a $90 billion submarine contract with France.

   https://www.smh.com.au/world/europe/i-don-t-think-i-know-french-president-macron-says-scott-morrison-lied-to-him-20211101-p594sx.html
   • pat 5.1

     1 November 2021 at 7:21 pm

     Scotty dont care…the french dont vote in Oz elections
     • Koff 5.1.1

       1 November 2021 at 7:33 pm

       And Aussies don't vote in French presidential elections – Macron has the better argument but is also playing to RW French voters – ditto the spat with Boris over post-Brexit fishing rights.
       • pat 5.1.1.1

         1 November 2021 at 7:38 pm

         The better argument for who and what?
         • Koff 5.1.1.1.1

           1 November 2021 at 8:27 pm

           The balance of opinion seems to be that Macron was right to suggest that Scomo's government failed to give adequate notice that it was about to renege on a sub build deal worth billions to the French and that Scomo lied when he suggested that the French were told well in advance. The last laugh may be on Aussie taxpayers in the long run, though, who were never consulted whether nuclear powered subs should be built at great expense and may take 20 years, if ever, to be built, supposedly to protect Australia from…..China? There is no evidence that nuclear powered subs are capable of protecting Australia from nasty viruses, terrifying bush fires, hundred year floods and intensified cyclones, which may be far more threatening than Xi Jinping's belligerence in the long run.
           • pat 5.1.1.1.1.1

             1 November 2021 at 8:34 pm

             "The balance of opinion seems to be that Macron was right to suggest that Scomo's government failed to give adequate notice that it was about to renege on a sub build deal worth billions to the French and that Scomo lied when he suggested that the French were told well in advance"

             ..and all that may well be so….but what in effect does it mean?…..i'd suggest as far as Scomo is concerned it means nothing, in fact it may even be considered an electoral positive.
             • Koff …

               1 November 2021 at 8:57 pm

               The sub saga has been overshadowed massively recently in Oz by the shenanigans over the deal within the Coalition over "zero emissions by 2050" between the Libs and Nats. Not sure what ordinary Aussies think about anything as I listen too much to the ABC which probes more than the ordinary mortal does! Opinion polls are consistently showing federal Labor is ahead of the Coalition but they did ahead of the last federal election in 2019, too…. and that didn't end well. Mind you, the ALP here seems to be even more gutless than NZ Labour and its's hard to spot the difference between the 2 main players on most things including the climate change response (none!).
           • RedLogix 5.1.1.1.1.2

             1 November 2021 at 8:35 pm

             The article linked clearly shows that the French were formally advised that the contract was being reconsidered back in June. And if they didn't know earlier than this, when everyone involved from the marine tradies up did – it begs some pointed questions about how seriously they were taking a $90b customer.

             But if anyone thinks that the French could be trusted to told about the secret negotiations with the US and UK – the phrase 'cute naivety' comes to mind.
           • KJT 5.1.1.1.1.3

             1 November 2021 at 9:29 pm

             The chances of China invading Australia are about zero. And anyone who thinks invading China is a viable proposition, is a blithering idiot.

             However all this sabre rattling will keep the arms industry, rich!
   • Treetop 5.2

     1 November 2021 at 8:07 pm

     A $90 billion shortfall is a lot for the French finance minister to find over a number of budgets. Just as well Australia is not in the EU.

     See how this diplomatic spat is resolved.
     • pat 5.2.1

       1 November 2021 at 8:25 pm

       34 billion (euro) over 25 years,,,,within a 2.6 trillion (USD) pa economy.
       • Treetop 5.2.1.1

         1 November 2021 at 8:33 pm

         Can you simplify what you are saying.

         Are you saying what the French spend and that a $90 billion loss will not affect the French economy?
         • pat 5.2.1.1.1

           1 November 2021 at 8:37 pm

           It is quite evident that a little over a billion euro pa in a 2.2 trillion euro p,a economy is not of great financial significance
   • RedLogix 5.3

     1 November 2021 at 8:27 pm

     Macron knows fully well that the AUKUS negotiations were not going to be held in public.

     The bald facts of the matter is that French govt and contractor got caught flat-footed on this one. The ground was shifting and they failed to take the Australian concerns seriously.

     Temper tantrum. May have unhappy consequences though.
6. Patricia Bremner 6

   1 November 2021 at 8:54 pm

   After the French tested atomic bombs in Polynesia and sank the Rainbow Warrior, who in the Pacific would trust the French? I felt it was Kama when that deal fell through, though Scotty suits himself, he wouldn't be thinking of their debt to us.
   • Koff 6.1

     1 November 2021 at 9:23 pm

     Scotty in a former life worked as a marketing consultant for Tourism New Zealand in Christchurch and was the genius who came up with the slogan "Clean, Green New Zealand" so obviously never tells a lie!

• Comments are now closed

• Log in
• Donate
• Contribute post

• Articles RSS