Daily review 04/01/2022

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1. Robert Guyton 1

   4 January 2022 at 6:04 pm

   Awful hot in Southland!

   I spent all of Tuesday at the "Revitalise" festival at Blackmount; fabulous music, great people, te mea te mea…held on a regen farm where appropriately-selected breeds of sheep and cattle (horny, hairy Highland Longhorns) roam the sebatically-managed pastures – pretty wonderful and pretty, with te mauka tapu Tikitimu looming beatifically over-all and skies to swoon over!

   Good times.
   • Bill 1.1

     4 January 2022 at 7:26 pm

     "Good times"

     And the child or children whose parent or parents couldn't take them to Splash Palace today because the council you sit on voted to ban them unless they could provide proof of "acceptable" medical status…those 'good times' extending out to them, are they?
     • Robert Guyton 1.1.1

       5 January 2022 at 9:14 am

       Wrong council, Bill. So a poorly-aimed and churlish grizzle from you.
       • Bill 1.1.1.1

         5 January 2022 at 11:48 am

         Sincere apologies. I mistakenly thought you were a part of the decision making body that passed the discriminatory policy around vaccination status.

         Not at all a "churlish grizzle" to be fucked off at any discriminatory insanity and inanity of elected buffoons though.
   • weka 1.2

     4 January 2022 at 11:56 pm

     Sounds lovely. Do they have a river on their farm?

     The Gows have been doing their thing for a long time, forward actors who have put us in good stead for the coming times. Having a music festival bodes well!
     • Robert Guyton 1.2.1

       5 January 2022 at 9:18 am

       The farm is gorgeous, weka; some saw the backdrop as the highlight, but for me it was the pastures; multi species and managed in the sabbatical style. As a result of the "kinder" management, the insect populations were far higher than I've seen on any farm: moths by the millions, it seemed, all gathering around the stage-lights in such numbers that the vocalist (Julian Temple Band) had to wear his mask so as not to swallow too many flying creatures! Never seen that before!
       • weka 1.2.1.1

         5 January 2022 at 9:50 am

         such good news!
2. Shanreagh 2

   4 January 2022 at 6:15 pm

   Sounds great…..Takitimu is the maunga/mauka. Some of my relations from Wairoa whakapapa to the Takitimu canoe. The Takitimu canoe rests on/in the maunga/mauka. These were Kaitahu from Bluff but others whakapapa through Ngati Kahungungu – Maoridom's great lover.

   I have relations at Greenvale and I will tell them about the regen ag farm at Blackmount.
   • Robert Guyton 2.1

     4 January 2022 at 6:23 pm

     Pai rawa tena, Shanreagh!

     I lived i roto i te maru o te mauka Takitimu for sometime, and know something of te waka me te mea ngaro hoki 🙂
3. Poission 3

   4 January 2022 at 6:41 pm

   Temporal constraints

   https://twitter.com/auren/status/1477636317831966723?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1477991426269057025%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es3_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fpublish.twitter.com%2F%3Fquery%3Dhttps3A2F2Ftwitter.com2Fnormonics2Fstatus2F1477991426269057025widget%3DTweet
4. Bill 4

   4 January 2022 at 7:12 pm

   When the goalposts shift on the "traffic lights", and rather than having to simply show confirmation of vaccination by producing a pass, your vaccine pass itself turns red, yellow or green…

   Because that's what the 'go to' is in China, as reported by the NYT in March 2020 (put the address into a google search if the direct link brings up a paywall)

   https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/01/business/china-coronavirus-surveillance.html

   And it's administered by Pfizer and Alipay…

   https://www.pfizer.com/sites/default/files/investors/financial_reports/annual_reports/2018/our-innovation/advancing-global-milestones/vaccine-reach-in-china/index.html

   Now, tell me again about the logic of safeguarding the presence of Delta in NZ when Omicron presents as a common cold and kills no-one?
   • weka 4.1

     4 January 2022 at 10:11 pm

     good lord.

     Given your concern for supermarket workers below, do you extend that concern to health care workers? Australia, where let it rip is the chosen path. Read the comments for more reports from health care workers.

     https://twitter.com/rpcounat/status/1478092572375482372

     Covid-positive nurses are being recalled to work in hospitals across New South Wales – in breach of state health protocols – as hospital managers resort to desperate measures to staff facilities buckling under the Omicron outbreak.

     Guardian Australia has been contacted by multiple nurses working across several hospitals in the state who are alarmed at finding themselves working alongside Covid-positive colleagues, as 2,500 health workers are in isolation across NSW.

     …

     Holmes added the practice risked spreading Covid to vulnerable patients in hospital for unrelated reasons.

     “We know these types of patients can die with Covid. If nurses [are] knowingly being told to go in there and play a bit of Russian roulette as to whether their PPE is perfect all the time, it’s an extraordinary expectation to work in those circumstances,” Holmes said.

     https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/jan/03/covid-positive-nurses-are-working-in-nsw-hospitals-due-to-severe-staffing-shortages

     Go ahead and tell us the plans for protecting vulnerable people from this 'cold'.

     Now, tell me again about the logic of safeguarding the presence of Delta in NZ when Omicron presents as a common cold and kills no-one?

     Your continued denial that long covid exists is noted.

     Given Australia is unable to supply the population with enough tests, what do you think happens in the switch from Delta to Omicron in a let it rip scenario in NZ? What's already happening in Australia?
     • Bill 4.1.1

       4 January 2022 at 10:18 pm

       What's that comment got to do with surveillance?

       In my other comment elsewhere, I genuinely asked you whether "grim" in Australia was because of enforced isolation after a +ve result leaving hospitals short staffed, or whether hospitals were being swamped by admissions because of Omicron.

       (I now see from what you linked that it's the rules around +ve test results that is leading to staff shortages)

       And you can fuck right off with your lies around my take on long covid. As stated before, my brother in law suffered it.
       • weka 4.1.1.1

         4 January 2022 at 10:22 pm

         I was responding to your last sentence,

         Now, tell me again about the logic of safeguarding the presence of Delta in NZ when Omicron presents as a common cold and kills no-one?

         If you want to argue we should let omicron rip to forestall government overreach, have at it.
       • weka 4.1.1.2

         4 January 2022 at 10:24 pm

         I responded in the other thread.

         Don't know what you mean by lies. Because you haven't said 🤷‍♀️
5. alwyn 5

   4 January 2022 at 7:17 pm

   Would everyone please be kind to Puckish Rogue for the rest of the day and tomorrow.

   It looks as if New Zealand cricket is reverting back to its normal sorry status while Australia is going to the top of the heap again.

   Bad luck Pucky, but it is simply natural that the baggy green cap wearers should dominate the cricket fields of the world.
   • Puckish Rogue 5.1

     4 January 2022 at 7:41 pm

     I got a cricket review coming tomorrow but don't worry I'm not left wing so I don't give up on my boys after one or two less than ideal performances
     • alwyn 5.1.1

       4 January 2022 at 8:43 pm

       I am impressed by your staunchness. What are those phrases? Puckish Rogue is keeping a stiff upper lip? He is putting on a brave face? He is keeping his shirt on? He is as cool as a cucumber? He is keeping his chin up?

       Her Majesty would be proud of you, and Charles would no doubt cheer you up with a "Pip, pip, cheerio and all that rot". I fear they are going to lose though.
       • Puckish Rogue 5.1.1.1

         4 January 2022 at 8:49 pm

         5 wickets in hand, one of NZs greatest and a very talented young man at the crease.

         Three sessions to play, NZ will have to bat a minimum of 1 and a half sessions to even think of drawing, more likely 2 sessions.

         Pressure doesn't build character, it revels it.
         • alwyn 5.1.1.1.1

           4 January 2022 at 9:07 pm

           In the first innings New Zealand went from 258/5 to all out for 328. On that basis they will be all out for 217 and Bangladesh will need a total of 88 for the win.

           Pray for rain. Their only chance is a downpour that wipes out play for the day.

           By the way did you mean reveals rather than revels?
           • Puckish Rogue 5.1.1.1.1.1

             4 January 2022 at 9:10 pm

             Its been a long day…
             • Pete …

               4 January 2022 at 11:12 pm

               It won't be so long tomorrow.

               If NZ manage just 12 more runs and get Bangladesh all out for the 2nd lowest score ever in tests the Black Caps will win.
6. Bill 6

   4 January 2022 at 9:03 pm

   I can't verify this at the moment – but claims are that Pak n Save staff received an email today informing them they are required to be vaccinated.

   Now that you've helped us cope with the Xmas rush.

   Now that we don't need to bother pretending we value you.

   Now that hero status is way, way back in that rear view mirror…

   If true, and apart from "what's the point" when Omicron walks straight on by double vaccination and newly vaccinated people’s defenses are compromised in the time between injection and the drug kicking in…. whatever happened to that 90+% vaccination rate?

   We weren't being subjected to some fibbing, were we? Surely not!
   • weka 6.1

     4 January 2022 at 9:49 pm

     Fibbing about what exactly?

     whatever happened to that 90+% vaccination rate?

     afaik it's still the goal. Here are various ways to track by area.

     https://interactives.stuff.co.nz/2020/05/coronavirus-covid-19-new-zealand-latest-data-cases/

     https://covid19.govt.nz/news-and-data/covid-19-vaccination-rates-around-new-zealand/

     https://thespinoff.co.nz/society/22-12-2021/the-vaccination-rate-for-every-suburb-in-new-zealand-on-an-interactive-map
     • Bill 6.1.1

       4 January 2022 at 9:56 pm

       Uh-huh. All bar one over 90%. 95% average.

       And yet Foodstuff's apparently finding the need to mandate staff?
       • weka 6.1.1.1

         4 January 2022 at 10:32 pm

         Yeah, that's what 90%+ means. We needed a really high rate of vaccination.

         Uh-huh. All bar one over 90%. 95% average.

         All bar one what? And what's your source?

         If we look at DHBs it's clear there are places in NZ that are under 90%.
         • adam 6.1.1.1.1

           5 January 2022 at 2:39 am

           What the heck, why are you arguing over % points when people are going to lose their jobs.

           Is this a left wing site which supports working people, or some middle class smug I know best fest?

           Employers who bully staff should piss right off. And anyone who supports them in those actions should piss off to.
           • weka 6.1.1.1.1.1

             5 January 2022 at 9:22 am

             Nice binary thinking based on assumptions there Adam.

             Bill raised something unclear about the 90%+ vax thing, and I addressed that. I didn't say anything about the fairness issues related to work mandates. Yet you jumped straight to thinking that because I understand and can explain what the public health strategy is it must mean I'm anti worker and presumably support what Pak n Sav have done (whatever that is). Why did you do that?

             While you're here, maybe you could comment on worker safety and allied worker issues for nursing and other staff in Australian hospitals currently. See https://thestandard.org.nz/daily-review-04-01-2022/#comment-1848556
             • adam …

               5 January 2022 at 2:38 pm

               Wow weka, really – you have spent post after post arguing will bill over Sars Cov-2 response, but when a workers rights issue gets raised you go on arguing about the Sars Cov-2 response.

               As for the workers in Aussie, I support the unions over there and have been helping with advise and moral support. Here one been under the radar – there is a shortage of dock workers in Aussie, but the employers are stalling wage negotiations and trying to bring in all sorts of crap Sars Cov-2 conditions. It's bullshit anti-worker crap dressed up as public health response.

               Is that the future you want? More power to corporate scum, blithely handed over by the corporate elects in the name of public health? Because that's were we are going, as you pointed out with the nurses and doctors in NSW.
           • Robert Guyton 6.1.1.1.1.2

             5 January 2022 at 10:06 am

             I thought the change in attitude by employers toward employees who were feeling unwell with colds and flu, that resulted in encouragement and expectation that those afflicted should stay at home until they recovered, not come into work and "tough it out", was a great development when it happened. It protected everyone else from infection and protected the business/organization from loss of productivity and other stresses.
         • Bill 6.1.1.1.2

           5 January 2022 at 11:29 am

           My source was one of the links you provided. Not at all clear what your problem is.

           My initial comment was crystal clear.

           Apparently Pak 'n Save have mandated staff. That doesn't really square with a purported 90+% vaccination rate (1 or maybe 2 workers per store not vaccinated) Why mandate?
7. Bill 7

   4 January 2022 at 10:12 pm

   ffs – the fear merchants just won't give it up.

   Headline – Baby becomes Australia's youngest Covid victim

   Fourth para (spot the non sequitur?) It is not yet known what caused Dakota's death but she had been infected with Covid-19 at the time, making her the youngest Australian to die with the virus.
   • Robert Guyton 7.1

     5 January 2022 at 10:51 am

     And another on today's front page:

     "Deadly summer takes its toll"

     A piece about drownings.
     The fear merchants are trying to make us all fearful of summer!
     • RedLogix 7.1.1

       5 January 2022 at 10:56 am

       You must have noticed by now that the media is not a friend of your mental health.
       • Robert Guyton 7.1.1.1

         5 January 2022 at 11:59 am

         Certainly! I ditched my goggle-box many years ago and observed how my friends who kept theirs, seemed perturbed for reasons they couldn't recognise (but I believed I could). It's not just The News that jars; (almost) everything about the medium jangles the nerves and stimulates the less-than-admirable aspects of the self (imo).

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