Daily Review 05/12/2016

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1. b waghorn 1

   5 December 2016 at 6:27 pm

   Is he hanging around till the election or is it by election time again, Hayley Holt for helensville
   • weka 1.1

     5 December 2016 at 6:30 pm

     He’s resigning as MP at the next election, so no by-election.
     • b waghorn 1.1.1

       5 December 2016 at 6:32 pm

       ta , that’s going to be a long time to suffer gate fever for the dick , hope every day sucks for him
     • ianmac 1.1.2

       5 December 2016 at 8:11 pm

       I think he intends to resign as an MP just a month or so ahead of the next election to avoid a by-election.
   • Draco T Bastard 1.2

     5 December 2016 at 6:30 pm

     I believe that he said that he’ll stick around long enough to avoid a by-election.
2. weka 2

   5 December 2016 at 6:28 pm

   “Clowns to the left of me, jokers to the right” (with reference to the other photo on the FP).
3. weka 3

   5 December 2016 at 6:31 pm

   Anyone know if the length of notice (resigning as PM and leader) is usual or unusual historically?
   • Draco T Bastard 3.1

     5 December 2016 at 6:34 pm

     I can’t recall any PMs actually resigning before losing an election.
     • alwyn 3.1.1

       5 December 2016 at 6:40 pm

       Rubbish. I can name you 5 since the Second World War.
       Holland, Holyoake, Lange, Palmer and Bolger. They weren’t necessarily all their own idea but they were all resignations.
       • weka 3.1.1.1

         5 December 2016 at 6:49 pm

         How many of those were backroom coups?
         • alwyn 3.1.1.1.1

           5 December 2016 at 7:05 pm

           Palmer and Bolger were, certainly.

           I think Holyoake made the decision himself as, oddly enough, I think Lange might have. The problem for Lange was that the Caucus re-elected Roger Douglas to Cabinet and Lange couldn’t take it any more. He was also going through a marriage break up and apparently wasn’t very well.
           Holland was also not well. I’m imagine he was “encouraged” to go but he may have been willing to accept it.

           I don’t know of course. I have never had any involvement with a political party and although I happened to meet all of them except Holland I didn’t have any sort of connection to them and I don’t have any inside knowledge at all.

           There are very few politicians who don’t think they are indispensable. In that regard Key is most unusual.
           • b waghorn 3.1.1.1.1.1

             5 December 2016 at 7:18 pm

             You’re assuming there isn’t something lurking in the background that’s driven key to this, and the fact that he’s proven time and again he can’t be trusted we may never know the real reason.
             • Kiwiri …

               5 December 2016 at 8:09 pm

               The real reason won’t come out yet for a while
     • Leftie 3.1.2

       6 December 2016 at 8:33 am

       Lol +10000000000000 Draco T Bastard!!
4. Draco T Bastard 4

   5 December 2016 at 6:33 pm

   John Key: The Man Without A Legacy

   Yet in spite of his great talent for winning elections – or maybe because of it – John Key has no legacy. Called upon to account for his achievements after today’s surprise announcement, the New Zealand’s Herald was barely able to compose four short paragraphs, including some questionable entries (‘attended the Queen’s residence at Balmoral’, ‘aimed to establish the Trans-Pacific Partnership’ – but failed). The one time he tried to use his office to promote lasting change, through a referendum to adopt a new national flag, it starkly exposed his lack of political substance and vision. Everyone quickly recognised it as the branding exercise that it was, and on this occasion the great communicator failed to persuade the public that the idea had any merit. It was a symbolic issue, yes. But it makes the misstep even more telling for a politician who relied so heavily on his image.

   That the country governs itself is, of course, an illusion. The auto-pilot set by Helen Clark was never meant to take us this far, and the many structural issues of the New Zealand economy could yet come to a head all at once. When that happens, we may look quite differently at John Key’s absent legacy.
   • b waghorn 4.1

     5 December 2016 at 6:37 pm

     but but but he’s rich and i’d luike to have a beer wiv im
   • Olwyn 4.2

     5 December 2016 at 10:33 pm

     That’s a very insightful piece of writing by Giovanni Tiso – this is the bit that particularly struck me: His was an electoral consensus built on a bulging centre comprising affluent and semi-affluent voters, who either own property or are heavily mortgaged, while the large and growing ranks of the working poor and the destitute have stopped voting altogether and may never become a constituency again. Under these social conditions, the John Key project was virtually doomed to succeed…

     I think he has resigned because the globalist team he associates himself with no longer enjoys such a secure level of political dominance. In the UK Cameron has been replaced by May, and whatever establishment Trump brings with him it will not be the one with which Key has curried favour. He derives his confidence from feeling like a smart player for that team, and does not want to hang around in politics if it is no longer reliably able to call the shots.
5. Paul 5

   5 December 2016 at 6:36 pm

   Key’s resignation is dodgy as.
   Hints are creeping out…Bradbury and Peters have been the first to put words to it.
6. Rosemary McDonald 6

   5 December 2016 at 6:46 pm

   I think Andrew Little’s interview with JC this evening deserves a wee bit more scrutiny.

   Initially I thought..don’t be so nice Andrew! But another listen, and watch…and I think the man actually might have done some good work for Labour.

   He was gracious and articulate and showed surprising confidence.

   I am tentatively optimistic.
   • weka 6.1

     5 December 2016 at 6:57 pm

     Sounds good to me. Evenhanded, not slagging someone off on their way out, but still multiple times brought it back to Labour being focussed on the people that have had a hard time under this govt and that Labour wants to change that and Little is up for the challenge next year, and not over-politicking it.
     • weka 6.1.1

       5 December 2016 at 7:00 pm

       I thought the Mt Roskill observations were useful too.
     • b waghorn 6.1.2

       5 December 2016 at 7:14 pm

       I noticed that he said ” key served new zealand” not key served nz well .
       • Rosemary McDonald 6.1.2.1

         5 December 2016 at 7:47 pm

         Yes…very smart.

         It’d be great to get a transcript……Morissey!
       • weka 6.1.2.2

         5 December 2016 at 10:15 pm

         Good spotting.

         I enjoyed the bit where JC says that it’s a statement of fact that Labour would do better. Not sure he meant it to come across like that, but nice nevertheless.
   • Anne 6.2

     5 December 2016 at 7:09 pm

     His confidence levels are well and truly on the rise. It showed during his speech at the Labour Conference a few weeks ago. Didn’t have to look at his notes (not sure he had any) and the ‘repeating of words’ problem was gone. Methinks he might have had speech lessons – at last.

     Btw, he has a delightfully dry and puckish sense of humour but up until now the mainstream media has largely chosen to ignore it. Perhaps that will change when Key is no longer PM.
   • BM 6.3

     5 December 2016 at 7:22 pm

     Obviously starting to learn, only a fool would be bagging Key at this time.

     Peters did himself no favors.
     • Paul 6.3.1

       5 December 2016 at 7:45 pm

       Happy to bag Key.

       To quote Malcolm Bradbury

       Key’s leadership saw 300 000 kids in poverty.
       Key’s leadership saw us back involved in the Iraq war.
       Key’s leadership nearly brought in the TPPA.
       Key’s leadership saw 41 000 homeless.
       Key’s leadership saw 560 suicides per year.
       Key’s leadership saw mass migration scams.
       Key’s leadership saw Helen Kelly live out the rest of her life as a criminal because he refused to move on medical cannabis.
       Key’s leadership saw NZers living in cars.
       Key’s leadership saw tens of thousands thrown off welfare with no where to go.
       Key’s leadership saw one of the worst housing bubbles in NZs history.
       Key’s leadership has seen housing affordability crumble.
       Key’s leadership saw state assets sold off to fund irrigation infrastructure.
       Key’s leadership saw huge increases in state spying powers.
       Key’s leadership saw nothing for stopping climate change.
       Key’s leadership saw 10 000 in prison and the vast expansion of our private prison industry.
       Key’s leadership saw a dirty ops campaign run out of his office.
       Key’s leadership saw his office collude with the SIS to frame Phil Goff in the 2011 election.
       Key’s leadership saw him phone buddies with hate speech merchant Cameron Slater.

       http://thedailyblog.co.nz/2016/12/05/the-true-legacy-of-john-key/
7. Paul 7

   5 December 2016 at 7:18 pm

   From Bryan Bruce

   “A Key Moment In Our History

   So, John Key is resigning on Dec 12th.

   When he took office the Government debt was $10,258 million ( approx $10.26 Billion)
   Today it is just over 6 x’s as much – $61,880 million. ($61.88 Billion)

   The average house price in Auckland was just over $500,000
   Today it’s just under a million.

   And the gap between the rich and the poor has become a chasm with the top 10% of us now owning 60% of the nation’s wealth while the bottom 40% own just 3%

   Thank you John you have been a consummate salesman for neoliberal economics.”
8. Tory 8

   5 December 2016 at 8:01 pm

   Well let’s face it Paul, Key simply continued with the legacy that Labour had started.
   • b waghorn 8.1

     5 December 2016 at 8:08 pm

     Clark and Cullen left behind Kiwisaver , Kiwibank , Wff ( i personally would just prefer better wages ) Low debt , chine fta, what’s key done , dirty politics , broken health system, rising crime , massive public and private debt,
   • Paul 8.2

     5 December 2016 at 9:06 pm

     “John Key’s work here is done:
     – $50 billion extra debt
     – A third of children now living in poverty
     – Fueled a massive housing crisis
     – 61% of lakes and rivers now unswimmable
     – 74% of freshwater species facing extinction
     – Closed Christhurch’s rape crisis centre
     – Slashed funding for public health/mental health services
     – Slashed funding for education
     – Attempted to sell our sovereignty to corporate America
     – Wasted millions on a flag no one wanted
     – Gifted $13.7m taxpayer funds to Hillary Clinton’s dodgy foundation
     – Sent $6m of taxpayer funds to bribe offended Saudi’s
     – More oil drilling and no climate change action
     – Introduced invasive spying bills
     Now it’s time for New Zealand to pick up the pieces and fix the damage he has caused to our country.”

     https://www.facebook.com/wakeupnz
9. Rosemary McDonald 9

   5 December 2016 at 8:19 pm

   Recovering from our understandable euphoria….shouldn’t we be wondering what we are being distracted from?
   • Anne 9.1

     5 December 2016 at 8:36 pm

     Don’t know how much credence you can give it but according to Martyn Bradbury:

     The Daily Blog understands that there is a damning book coming out that will focus on John Key and this is the reason why he is standing down.

     http://thedailyblog.co.nz/
     • Rosemary McDonald 9.1.1

       5 December 2016 at 8:51 pm

       “….focus on John Key …”

       And that’s just it…all the focus has been on Key for the last eight years…meanwhile shit has been going down behind the scenes. What are they digesting while we’re all wondering why, and waiting for the big reveal?

       Our Former Leader…kinda has a ring to it, no?…was never the most obviously sharpest chisel in the toolbox….others have been busy, busy, busy
10. Anne 10

    5 December 2016 at 9:02 pm

    Simon Wilson’s take on “the resignation”.

    http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/on-the-inside/319674/john%27s-gone-the-end-of-nz%27s-mr-feelgood
    • Draco T Bastard 10.1

      5 December 2016 at 9:06 pm

      But that doesn’t feel right. Key has always tried to say what he thinks and to keep his word.

      Hahahahahahahahahaahahahahaha…
      deeep breath
      Hahahahahahahahahaahahahahaha…
      • Anne 10.1.1

        5 December 2016 at 9:08 pm

        Yeah… that bit got me too.
11. Draco T Bastard 11

    5 December 2016 at 9:03 pm

    Selfish people demand right to destroy life for their own enrichment:

    Representatives of Queensland’s agriculture and tourism sectors say Australia’s Great Barrier Reef progress report to UNESCO could make or break their industries.

    Because all we need to live is business rather than the natural environment that supports us.
12. Rosemary McDonald 12

    5 December 2016 at 9:24 pm

    ‘Key Bolthole Cool on Fleeing Former First Family’

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/americas/87187518/whiteout-warning-for-hawaiis-peaks-as-storm-dumps-heavy-snow-on-volcanoes

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