Daily review 09/08/2021

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1. alwyn 1

   9 August 2021 at 6:28 pm

   When, oh when, are they going to do something about the shambles that is New Zealand's Covid 19 vaccination system?

   "Ardern said 98 port workers who had dealt with the Rio De La Plata had been tested but only nine of the workers were fully vaccinated." Hipkin's added that there were another 2 who had received their first vaccination!

   That means that 90% have had nothing done. These are the frontline workers aren't they? How long can we go on being lucky and miss out, purely by luck, on getting a type D variant outbreak?

   https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/covid-19-coronavirus-vaccine-rollout-update-covid-infected-ship-most-tauranga-port-workers-unvaccinated/GAEYWS5QHVTZLCMBHCCHKIXG3I/
   • I Feel Love 1.1

     9 August 2021 at 6:37 pm

     Nationalise the ports! I agree.
   • Incognito 1.2

     9 August 2021 at 6:41 pm

     Still haven’t received your jab, have you?
   • Koff 1.3

     9 August 2021 at 6:50 pm

     Complaints about NZ's vaccine rollout heard from just about anywhere else seem rather ridiculous. The Tauranga ship workers caught the virus from a reef pilot operating out of Cairns who also spread it to a taxi driver in Cairns, an outbreak that has now led to Cairns and nearby Yarrabah locked down. .The vacine rollout and Covid handling in NZ, while imperfect is far better than in OZ and just about anywhere else. Thank your lucky stars you are where you are.
     • Rapunzel 1.3.1

       10 August 2021 at 6:25 am

       The Port workers have had the chance to be vaccinated for five months – Tauranga's a bit ripe for conspiracy theories & political game playing

       The option was at the Port since the beginning of March did they really need their hands held from management down, was it the lack of effective communication or just being to casual from feeling so safe?

       https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/437432/covid-19-vaccinations-at-port-of-tauranga-begin
   • David 1.4

     9 August 2021 at 7:53 pm

     I wouldn’t recommend watching tonight’s one news on replay. It was one government shambles story after another. Relief came in the 37th minute when the sports came on.
     • Muttonbird 1.4.1

       9 August 2021 at 7:57 pm

       Nothing about the National Party conference then? They can't even get news when they are screwing up. Lol.
       • David 1.4.1.1

         10 August 2021 at 7:13 am

         Micky has cornered the market in that oft repeated genre. There will be another one along soon.
         • Red Blooded One 1.4.1.1.1

           10 August 2021 at 8:58 am

           Just as we can count on you to whinge constantly and wrongly about "A Shambles" How many people have died due to Covid in this shambles of a country?
   • Sabine 1.5

     9 August 2021 at 7:55 pm

     It would not matter if they nationalised the ports as per the government

     https://www.beehive.govt.nz/release/govt-makes-covid-19-vaccinations-mandatory-more-border-jobs

     “However only 54 percent of active port workers have been fully vaccinated, and we need to see this number increased to avoid the risk of COVID-19 entering the country via our ports.

     “I am extending the mandatory order to cover a further 1800 currently unvaccinated active border workers. This is necessary to lift the uptake of the vaccine among the wider border workforce and strengthen our ongoing response to COVID-19.

     https://covid19.govt.nz/covid-19-vaccines/how-to-get-a-covid-19-vaccination/vaccinations-and-work/border-and-miq-worker-vaccinations/

     How the requirements work

     On 1 May 2021, it became mandatory for a narrow group of border workers and Government officials working at the border or an MIQ facility to be vaccinated against COVID-19.

     From 15 July 2021, it will also become mandatory for most border workers (air and port) to be vaccinated. This is required by new legislation. The COVID-19 Public Health Response (Vaccinations) Amendments Order 2021 comes into effect at 11:59pm on 14 July.

     When affected workers must get vaccinated by

     • All government employees must have had their first dose by 26 August 2021.
     • Privately employed border workers must have had their first dose by 30 September 2021.
     • After the dates above, any new workers covered by the Order will need to have their first dose before starting work. This applies to government and private business employees

     so according to this, Govt staff must have had FIRST Jab by 26 Aug, still two weeks away and private staff must have had First Jab by 30 Sept, still six week away.

     And that information is straight from the Government, anyone could have looked it up as to what the requirements actually are vs what people think it is.
   • Muttonbird 1.6

     9 August 2021 at 7:55 pm

     More important than vaccination is proper separation of NZ port workers from foreign crews.

     This is a no brainer but has been left to port administration which is a terrible thing because they are concerned with profit, and profit only.
     • RosieLee 1.6.1

       9 August 2021 at 8:02 pm

       
   • Patricia Bremner 1.7

     10 August 2021 at 5:56 am

     Alwyn, there is an order in place regarding being vaccinated by 26th of August for port workers.

     Some port workers are contracted workers who work on these ships. Their employers have to take responsibility for using unvaccinated staff surely?

     This virus can be passed so easily, and information has been out there for months, so why blame the vaccination system? Vaccines minimise the seriousness of the disease but do not prevent spread apparently. This situation seems to have been human error.
2. KSaysHi 2

   9 August 2021 at 6:37 pm

   Viral loads in vaccinated v unvaccinated are the same, therefore you should not consider that vaccinated people won't pass the virus on.

   Yes, it's the same if you work around vulnerable people and were vaccinated to protect them. What a pity MoH hasn't gotten it's shit together enough to publically warn vaccinated people of they should not assume they are unable to pass on the virus.

   Ref: https://youtu.be/NRP-_2v8mSQ?t=2662
   • I Feel Love 2.1

     9 August 2021 at 6:44 pm

     It's fairly well known now isn't it? That vaccinated just means way less likey to become seriously ill &/or hospitalized/death if you catch the virus. In the US they're heading that way (mandatory mask wearing), especially now that cases are rising dramatically amongst children. I get my jab next week, hopefully the Delta holds off for a little longer……
   • Andre 2.2

     9 August 2021 at 6:51 pm

     Viral loads in the small proportion of vaccinated people that get a symptomatic infection after an exposure are similar to the viral loads in the unvaccinated symptomatic people, who are very likely to become symptomatically infected after an exposure.

     It's a much much smaller risk of getting that symptomatic infection with a high viral load if you have been vaccinated. Furthermore, most of those that get a symptomatic infection after vaccination recover from it much more quickly.

     https://www.statnews.com/2021/07/30/what-delta-has-changed-in-the-covid-pandemic-and-what-it-hasnt/

     On the topic of how crappy reporting has encouraged people to misrepresent the CDC findings:

     https://thehill.com/opinion/technology/566900-confused-about-covid-too-many-news-outlets-prioritize-hype-over-accuracy
     • Patricia Bremner 2.2.1

       10 August 2021 at 6:00 am

       Thanks Andre succinct as usual
3. Ad 3

   9 August 2021 at 7:10 pm

   If the New Zealand government were competing at the Olympics they'd get gold in the Covid show jumping, but in every other policy contest they'd get nothing better than 4th.
   • Robert Guyton 3.1

     9 August 2021 at 7:13 pm

     4th on the world stage?

     Not too shabby!
   • Muttonbird 3.2

     9 August 2021 at 7:52 pm

     Results are in. NZ has been top or near top of the Covid-19 table since forever.
   • Patricia Bremner 3.3

     10 August 2021 at 6:05 am

     Ad, show jumping is a good analogy. Many factors outside the usual controls, therefore requiring skill stamina and foresight.

     If Ministries had more sympathetic staff more would be achieved. Horses and water!! Horses and courses!!

     I along with many, prefer this government’s “show jumping” to the other crowds “hollow debates and dancing”.
4. KSaysHi 4

   9 August 2021 at 7:39 pm

   Why does Labour look like it is pushing through an ACT welfare policy?

   Not much is known about what this might look like, beyond it being an “ACC-style” scheme. It would pay eligible people who meet the work history criteria and lose their jobs 80 per cent of their previous earnings up to a cap for a period of six months or more (the ACC cap is currently $130,911 per year).

   What is clear, however, is a social insurance scheme (sometimes being referred to as a social unemployment insurance scheme) will almost certainly favour those with higher long-term incomes at the expense of those on the lowest incomes. Others, like many school-leavers, sole parents and people with disabilities, won’t qualify at all.

   https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/opinion/300378716/why-is-the-government-trying-to-push-through-a-twotier-benefit-system
   • Craig H 4.1

     9 August 2021 at 10:12 pm

     Because anything else will be removed by the Nats the same way they crushed the current benefits in 1991.
   • UncookedSelachimorpha 4.2

     10 August 2021 at 12:07 am

     Another opportunity to blame the poor for being poor. What crap.
5. KSaysHi 5

   9 August 2021 at 7:53 pm

   Yep, no surprises. Use all the buzzwords you like, it's always going to be an uphill battle to gain trust where when it has been repeatedly betrayed by the MoH ignoring consultation recommendations.

   https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/checkpoint/audio/2018807489/covid-19-vaccinated-maori-pasifika-down-on-rest-of-population
6. Koff 6

   9 August 2021 at 8:05 pm

   The latest IPCC report is out tonight, the first in 7 years. The IPCC reports tend to be on the conservative side of climate change analysis, but all previews sense the latest report will be a shocker. The evidence that action on climate change after a northern hemisphere summer of extreme drought, fires and floods should be obvious to all governments now. Who's betting that the IPCC report is going to be received with much more than a collective shrug?

   Link to Guardian article on just released report
   https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2021/aug/09/ipcc-reports-verdict-on-climate-crimes-of-humanity-guilty-as-hell
   • pat 6.1

     9 August 2021 at 9:31 pm

     "The key aspect of the IPCC report is that the 42-page summary is agreed, line by line, by every government on the planet, with the scientists vetoing any politically convenient but unscientific proposal."

     "As a result, governments that continue to fail to take action have nowhere left to hide – the crystal-clear report has bust all of their alibis. “Too many ‘net-zero’ climate plans have been used to greenwash pollution and business as usual,” says Teresa Anderson at ActionAid International."

     What chance we will listen?
7. Muttonbird 7

   9 August 2021 at 9:52 pm

   NZ Olympian Olivia Podmore ended her own life.

   I found this quote from her on social media on Monday very telling about New Zealand society:

   “The feeling when you win is unlike any other, but the feeling when you lose, when you don’t get selected even when you qualify, when your injured, when you don’t meet society’s expectations such a owning a house, marriage, kids all because your trying to give everything to your sport is also unlike any other.”

   She felt inadequate because she didn't own a house…

   …what a sad, fucked up country we are.

   https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/olympics/300378726/olympian-cyclist-olivia-podmores-family-mourn-her-sudden-death
8. Anker 8

   9 August 2021 at 10:00 pm

   • Dreadfully sad. Heartbreaking. Heart goes out to her family and friends

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