Daily review 11/09/2023

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  1. SPC 1
    11 September 2023 at 6:13 pm

    Newshub Reid has L27/G12/TPM 3 down from 44.5 to 42%.

    National has gone to 41% with ACT down to 10%. Majority.

    NZF below 5%. TOP 2%.

    https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2023/09/newshub-reid-research-poll-labour-s-support-collapses-as-national-rockets-into-40s.html

    • bwaghorn 1.1
      11 September 2023 at 6:28 pm

      Might be time for James Shaw to bat his eyelids luxons way, !!

      Yes I'm serious

      • arkie 1.1.1
        11 September 2023 at 6:39 pm

        If either institutional party is prepared to change their mind on wealth taxes to fund the first $10k tax-free then I'd imagine a conversation would be had.

        Realistically though the other aspects of Nationals policy prohibit any coalition arrangement with the Greens and as has to be reiterated every time this argument comes up; Any post-election-negotiation decision is voted on democratically by Green party members not just the parliamentary members.

      • Corey 1.1.2
        12 September 2023 at 6:29 am

        Indeed. Labour and National are virtually the same center right Party, there's very little different between the two, so if the greens can stop act from sitting around cabinet then it should be looked into, at all costs.

        Labour have been on the political right for fourty years, it makes no sense tying yourself to one right party simply because it once was left wing.

        Face it, Labour has no ideology and was a dying political force before jacinda ardern turned it into the jacinda party, but without a purpose or ideology very little was achieved and now that she's gone the temporary reprieve of its death spiral has also ended.

        In a few election cycles labour will be nothing more than just another large minor party.

    • Kat 1.2
      11 September 2023 at 6:30 pm

      Has to be something to do with long covid, perhaps we are witnessing a very nasty hangover effect? Somehow the pandemic seems to be conveniently not mentioned, like it almost didn't happen…………….

      Labour campaign needs to accentuate all the positive gains….and loudly!

      • SPC 1.2.1
        11 September 2023 at 7:07 pm

        From being grateful for the security to anger and blame at government for difficulty in their life – rising mortgage cost etc.

        For some it's a government of by and for their middle class first (cutting the cost of maintaining a modern nation state government for all*) and the for others its Stockholm syndrome placate the landlords and hope they can avoid rent increases.

        But running a country* like an asset stripping corporate leaves everyone (next generation) worse off. And those who vote to appease the rentier generation might never own property and in the end angry at older people on super who have property (which makes wealth taxation inevitable and probably a move to means test super).

        • Kat 1.2.1.1
          11 September 2023 at 8:02 pm

          The incessant 'positivity' around Luxon and the Nat campaign by the media is the amplification that its going to be 'positive' to vote blue as opposed to 'negative' to vote red. The media are all but announcing a National/Act win on election day.

          Labour must change the narrative to gain some ground, like promoting 'positively' what it has achieved and what those achievements mean in all the 'positive' ways for the country. Chippy has the ammo he just needs to fire it….hopefully soon.

          Act are bleeding to National, the only positive there is that post election even with a majority National may not be able even with Act to form a govt.

          • Anne 1.2.1.1.1
            11 September 2023 at 8:42 pm

            The incessant 'positivity' around Luxon and the Nat campaign by the media is the amplification that its going to be 'positive' to vote blue as opposed to 'negative' to vote red.

            As a Labour voter, the negative vibes I am experiencing is the worst I have known. Labour voters are losers is the name of the dirty game.

            When the shit hits their fans, I look forward to throwing it straight back into all their faces. 👿

            • Kat 1.2.1.1.1.1
              11 September 2023 at 8:55 pm

              Guess the 'fans' will throw all the shit back Anne…..we can only watch with some reticent glee as the idiots get a messy squishy smelly sun tan……

              The current millennial news rooms have no idea of past shit hitting fans…….and the consequences.

    • Anne 1.3
      11 September 2023 at 6:31 pm

      Money – $8 million of it – buys votes. The lemmings fall for it every time. When they reach the bottom of the cliff don't expect there to be ambulances to assist them. They will have been sold off to pay for the rich pricks' tax cuts.

    • AB 1.4
      11 September 2023 at 6:37 pm

      Looks like some shifting within the blocs (Lab to Grn; ACT to Nat) but a general drift right as well. Would need a 5% shift from right back to left in 5 weeks to reach parity. Unlikely. ACT continuing to slide would be useful but not enough if most goes to Nat. Luxon now needs to merely not disgrace himself in a way that actually gets noticed – unlike the Tame interview. Mutch-Mackay hosting the debates will be a comfort to him.

      • SPC 1.4.1
        11 September 2023 at 6:54 pm

        If those in the centre are not wary of National government dependent on ACT for their supply, they are not paying attention.

      • Belladonna 1.4.2
        11 September 2023 at 8:07 pm

        ACT continuing to slide would be useful but not enough if most goes to Nat.

        'Soft' ACT votes aren't ever going to go left. They'll only go to National, or, possibly, if NZF look solidly past the 5% threshold, to Winston.

        I'd expect to see more of the 'right wing' of National shift to ACT, if National is looking solidly ahead of Labour.

        Labour needs to appeal to the 'soft' National voters – the much maligned Centrists (which is where the GST off veges and free dental for under 30s is targeted). But it doesn't seem to be working ATM.

        • Kat 1.4.2.1
          11 September 2023 at 8:21 pm

          Its not working, ATM, because all Labour's positive social and economic gains/management since 2017 are the best kept secrets in this election campaign…….

          • SPC 1.4.2.1.1
            11 September 2023 at 8:39 pm

            Labour has to identify those gains that are at risk (National policy change) – something not helped by some inaccurate claims.

            Otherwise declare plans to build further on the other achievements.

    • Belladonna 1.5
      11 September 2023 at 8:20 pm

      Also Luxon and Hipkins are on level pegging in the preferred PM stakes (both at 22.5%).

      Which I find frankly unbelievable. Even those I know who are tribal National, don't particularly rate Luxon.

      https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/election-2023-new-political-poll-to-reveal-impact-of-first-days-on-the-campaign/DD7WJSSFQBC55IPAF4THDAVIOU/

      • Kat 1.5.1
        11 September 2023 at 8:23 pm

        As Anne alluded to earlier, a lot of mischief can be ‘arranged’ with $8million……

        • Anne 1.5.1.1
          11 September 2023 at 8:54 pm

          It would not surprise me Kat if certain journalists are going to be rewarded for their cooperation in an arrangement that would be difficult to unravel. As I said, $8 million buys elections!

  2. Jilly Bee 2
    11 September 2023 at 6:23 pm

    That was difficult to watch. Still digesting the results. Followed by Winston Peters rant about Maori and Rawiri Waititi's Ta Moko. Shameful. This is a reply to SPC.

  3. arkie 3
    11 September 2023 at 6:28 pm

    The Greens have announced a plan to protect our oceans. This will involve an Act to protect 30% of the ocean by 2030, create an independent Ocean Commission and a Minister for Oceans:

    Less than 1% of Aotearoa’s seas are currently protected and our fisheries are no longer abundant – due to a system that encourages overfishing, and fails to properly enforce protections.

    The crisis facing our ocean is growing more urgent by the day – and it is communities who depend on the moana for their livelihoods, including Māori and Pasifika, who will be impacted most of all.

    The time is now for a government that will show the political leadership necessary to put ocean health ahead of corporate profit – and to put the Green Party in charge of making it happen.

    The top priorities for a Green Party Minister for the Oceans

    • Establish a new, politically independent Ocean Commission to work with iwi, hapū, and local communities to advise the government on solutions that work for people and nature.
    • Pass a new Healthy Ocean Act in the next three years to create a legally binding framework to protect at least 30 percent of Aotearoa’s ocean by 2030
    • Ban the most destructive corporate fishing methods such as bottom trawling and create a $60 million fund to support the transition to fishing within sustainable limits

    Over the last six years more action has been taken on freshwater, conservation, waste and climate change than ever before thanks to the work of Green Party Ministers.

    https://www.greens.org.nz/healthy_ocean_act
    https://assets.nationbuilder.com/beachheroes/pages/18672/attachments/original/1694251296/Oceans_Policy_Document_final.pdf?1694251296

  4. satty 4
    11 September 2023 at 6:33 pm

    Would like to see more details on this:

    Stuff – All vehicles to move to road user charges under National, including EVs

    So far, it looks like the "normal" people subsidise the polluting vehicles of the rich (not the emissions is taxed, but kilometres, means higher polluting cars pay the same as clean cars). And, of course, we're not hitting any climate targets either. So in the future someone has to pay for the climate damage on top of it.

    • pat 4.1
      11 September 2023 at 7:48 pm

      Anyone who didnt see this coming had their eyes closed….this will be the funding mechanism irrespective of government hue.

    • Belladonna 4.2
      11 September 2023 at 8:11 pm

      Someone has to pay for the roads which the EVs use.

      And, mostly the very wealthy are the ones with the EVs – certainly I see a heck of a lot of them driving through Remuera….

  5. fisiani 5
    11 September 2023 at 6:46 pm

    Look at the slide in Labour voting. Why will it rise or even stabilise? It is a downward slide to less than 20% by the time voting starts

  6. SPC 6
    11 September 2023 at 7:40 pm

    From polls to referees and lessons from the first round.

    1. Chasing kicks in the air is not worth it – given the risk of a card if the player catching it is taken out.

    2. Cards for upright stance head to head tackles, includes players in the landing zones of players catching a kick (those there to wrap the player and seek a turnover have to bend the knees, just like any other tackler – Curry). But not Kriel …. game changing … or would the Boks have done an England?

    3. Fiji got a card for a player infringing at a maul, but there was no penalty try. Yet Biggar (and the third infringement by that stage) and later Williams deliberately infringed when a try looked likely and neither was carded. Game changing decisions?

    If maul infringements get cards most easily, it will drive teams towards this tactic – but it would reduce the game as a spectacle.

    • Kat 6.1
      11 September 2023 at 8:37 pm

      Reducing the 'game' as a spectacle is not what jessica@6pm.news wants. The more maul infringements, yellow/red cards and whistle blowing the better for the media. If its all fast action and good sport, where is the intrigue, the controversy, the scandals, the news!!

  7. fisiani 7
    11 September 2023 at 8:40 pm

    Wrong yet again. National gets the massive money for the needed tax cuts from foreigners wanting to come here and from gambling casinos overseas. Just face it -this election will be a mighty rout and Labour could easily fall below 20%.

    Many Labour supporters will not even vote

    [You’re showing yourself again as an overzealous astroturfing troll with your duplicate comment and fact-free BS. With your history here, you get only one warning and this is it. Funnily enough, it is déjà vu all over again (https://thestandard.org.nz/labours-list-diversity-and-renewal/#comment-1325884) – Incognito]

    • SPC 7.1
      11 September 2023 at 9:15 pm

      It's more likely Labour will get back to 30% and then with Greens now polling 12% better than ACT and with TPM on 3%, it would be decided by turnout.

      With National struggling to stay much above 35% with Labour's recovery and the ACT vote declining to single figures, it would be game on.

      Peter's and NZF at or below 5% and ACT' s list and post election strategy questionable, National might need to spend all of it campaign war chest.

    • Incognito 7.2
      11 September 2023 at 9:38 pm

      Mod note

  8. SPC 8
    11 September 2023 at 11:19 pm

    Prediction as per a National Government and departments non front line service budgets being cut 6%.

    This including the property maintenance, insurance and cleaning costs – would result in the end of front-line services at all locations – some areas only available on-line (and thus longer waits for calls to be answered with rising demand) or further afield to a front line office location (more traffic).

    This is what the famous philosopher Donald Rumsfeld calls a known known,

    Will National either confirm, or deny that night follows day?

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