Daily review 16/02/2023

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  1. Cricklewood 1
    16 February 2023 at 5:42 pm

    We've got short memories, think we need to take way more care in choosing where we intensify housing. What happend in the Esk valley is tragic but should we have allowed so much development in the area?

    https://collection.mtghawkesbay.com/objects/95629/esk-valley-flood

    • Shanreagh 1.1
      16 February 2023 at 7:11 pm

      There has been flooding in the Esk Valley (Napier Taupo road) and around Tangoio (Napier Wairoa road) for ever. (Tangoio is just around the corner' from the Esk Valley).

      There is a huge amount of development on the flats around Napier that were raised up by the earthquake in 1931, formerly low lying saltmarsh or swampy areas. The areas out around the Napier airport used to have pumps that worked full time to keep the area safe from floods. The land at that stage was in public ownership, Ahuriri Farm Settlement). I am wondering if this is still in a form of public ownership, perhaps Landcorp or is private enterprise 'looking after it'.

      There seems to be a huge amount of housing open up on flood plains between the Esk/Ahuriri areas and the three rivers between Napier & Hastings. These rivers are the Tutaekuri, Ngaruroro and Clive. I think all of these rivers are stop banked in places.

      Seeing all this damage and ill thought out building I wonder do the planners just judge suitability for housing by looking at $$$$$ rather than geological or soil maps? Pardon my sarcasm.

      • Patricia Bremner 1.1.1
        16 February 2023 at 8:23 pm

        Councils do that.

        • Shanreagh 1.1.1.1
          17 February 2023 at 3:02 pm

          Yes I meant the Council Planners advising the Councils.

          My sister did a degree in geography and for one of her papers examined the use made by Councils of soil maps, geological, climate etc maps as an aid to what they called town planning at the time (leading on to what you can do on land) . This was around Palmerston North/Horowhenua/Kapiti.

          There was only one.

          Admittedly a while ago, 1980s, but when responding to some of the wilder land use ideas of WCC you can tell they do not seem to do this basic geographic work. Sometimes it is a good rule of thumb to ask,

          this area has been settled for over 120 years, so why was this area not settled?

          Around where I live in Wellington

          • natural ponding area, may flood …built on, yes has flooded
          • steep unstable land – houses may slide down the slopes…..yes houses slide down the slopes as this is something of a natural urgent waterway.

          My view is that there are very few cases where advances in building technology have mitigated the visual clues obvious to builders of yore.

  2. Johnr 2
    16 February 2023 at 6:26 pm

    Ye gods Stuart Nash is an utter dipstick. Just heard him talking to HDPA about the slash on the east coast. He's muttering about an enquiry and consulting with the industry. Suffer me labour are far too soft, they seem to want to be nice to everyone.

    70 something years ago I learnt on my mother's knee. You make a mess, you clean it up. In my eyes that should apply.

    Should we care that some forresters go to the wall. No, they took the profits, now comes the pain.

    Disclaimer. I was listening to HDPA so I could send her a snarky email about her negative presentation given the Sterling efforts of a gazillion people during these troubling times.

    • roblogic 2.1
      16 February 2023 at 6:50 pm

      At some point we are going to have to tell China and other foreign corporates that their plunder of Aotearoa can no longer continue and if they want to run extractive industries here they better clean up their act.

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