Daily Review 19/09/2017
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Interesting poll.
https://horizonpoll.co.nz/page/479/labour-best?gtid=0829406810526LRQ
So, who are you voting for, Adam?
Your mum.
Ludicrousness enough response to your fetish?
Simple enough question, Bra. Who you voting for?
So UCG who are you going to vote for and why? Simple enough question …
Easy to answer and happy to do so. Thanks for the opportunity to play.
Electorate is a tactical vote for labour. Because they have the best chance to unseat the sitting national member.
Party vote is for the greens. Because their policies are more left than labour, and with luck, in government, they’ll stop the reds from being national lite. One can hope, any way.
So, second intervention of yours in a couple of days on my posts.
Seeing as we’re playing questions, what’s your angle?
I note more people think National are best on new transport infrastructure. I guess most of them are thinking of the Waterview tunnel. That was a Labour initiative. National just got to be in power when it finished. 🙄
Yeah that one was odd, couple it with the design disaster in Onehunga, plus the roads of national importance looking as bad as people predicted. I’m not sure what people are thinking.
of course National made it an extra lane each way and delivered it for 700 million cheaper than what labour were going to do (even with less lanes).
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/96543448/factchecking-waterview-tunnel-claims
And destroyed several communities while ‘saving’ that money.
I think we’ll find that the extra damage to those communities will far outweigh the monetary savings.
EDIT: And there seems to some debate about just how much the government ‘saved’.
$300m is piddly.
Good, that would make up for the lanes they chopped off the Harbour bridge then had to add back on a few years later, which are now showing signs of fatigue…
Bingles has shamelessly used the Waterview tunnel in his campaigning. They even did campaign ads there before it opened and have used photo material extensively.
They don’t own that tunnel at all.
Its a function of the simplicity of the debate, moar roads means less congestion.
A whole lot of education is required to persuade people otherwise and one of the main parties is not interested in having the debate …
Sad to hear Jacinda has lost her Grandmother. It is comforting to know she will have Gaylord travelling with her from now on with the funeral Friday morning. The small hours can be lonely away from home in these circumstances.
Huge Condolences! (Sincerely)
… listening to Jacinda Ardern on Checkpoint just now. (Link not up yet)
John Campbell concluding asked if she would be the next PM?
To which she replied: ” Yes I am!
kia kaha Jacinda !
Great Interview, I can now understand the Stardust!
P.M’s Checkpoint link:
http://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/checkpoint/audio/201859111/checkpoint-leader-interview-jacinda-ardern
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What happens to tomorrow’s final leaders debate?
Having been through the grieving process many times, including the death of my spouse, I would recommend she NOT debate. If she debates, she will lose. She cannot possibly be mentally and emotionally in top form.
Being politically hard nosed about it, Jacinda could justifiably cancel. It would win sympathy votes. It would highlight National’s health failures.
I’m inclined to agree with you AmaKiwi. Its easy to think you’re alright but in fact you are not as anyone who has been through the process would know.
Grant Robertson would be a suitable replacement given he is shadow Minister of Finance. He was exceptional debating with Steven Joyce a week ago.
Another CB poll being released on TV1 tomorrow at 6pm. I suppose this one will register the momentum gained by National over their attack and scaremongering strategy – not to mention the despicable lies.
Depends on who they ring and how brainwashed or clued up they are
Looking forward to the final debate, wish Corin was hosting it, I much prefer a knowledgeable political editor moderating over a gambling promoting entertainer.
Lolz maybe they should have done a poll on that, who was the better host out of hosking and Corin Dann.
I assume you think that brainwashed will be people voting National, and clued up being Labour right?
I expect that’s what Cinny’s thinking because it is the truth.
Truth is obviously subjective in Annes view of the world.
Nope. Truth is always objective. That’s why National have to lie all the time.
Well, The brainwashed still think that National are good economic managers despite all the evidence to the contrary.
Until his arrest, all of Beanie Madoff’s clients were convinced he was an investment genius.
Only the sharper minds in banking and investment knew it was almost surely a Ponzi scheme. Now he’s doing life in solitary.
That’s because they know what ponzi schemes look like given the entire banking industry is one.
nah james, brainwashed being fake news victims. Clued up means doing your own research and looking beyond the bubble or dominance of one media outlet.
Speaking of which Paddy called out bill and team for telling the biggest lie of the campaign so far.
http://www.newshub.co.nz/home/opinion/2017/09/patrick-gower-national-guilty-of-biggest-campaign-lie.html
Well if that’s not a good assumption to make, why not?
Colmar Brunton polls are cobblers, landline only polls doesn’t tell you shite.
There’s so much massaging of data going on because the demographic is so narrow and narrowing further each election.
We’re almost at that stage where slaughtering a goat and reading its entrails would give you a more accurate idea of what’s going on.
But it includes all those pensioners that Bill holds so dearly.
nothing to do with her performance – u-turns etc…
James. Leave it alone!
You stated you were fine with a Labour/Green government earlier in a thread.
Get over it. Build a bridge as they say. Move On!
There’ll be plenty of time for trolling after saturday..
And,… there’s always rugby…
Actually I said something like that I would accept it. Not that I was OK with it – its my worst nightmare (politically).
But dont count your chickens before they are hatched JC.
Vote for me – I will build you a worse nightmare than that 😀
you arnt going to dress in a man-kini, and wear a clown mask are you?
James supports child poverty, abject levels of homelessness, the housing crisis, large government debt, long hospital waiting lists and tax cuts for the rich.
He votes National.
The bus you support
https://mobile.twitter.com/rodemmerson/status/908782931501391872/photo/1
I’d vote for that bus over the greens or labour – so I guess you are kinda right.
So you vote for the housing crisis?
Great…..
Cannot be cos Key did that. He also promised a tax working group so no detail during campaign. So it logically has to be something else.
National has probably regained their lead and normal service resumed.
Its Jed Clampetts fault !!!
Him and his consarn shotgun !!!
Now nobody’s going anywhere’s fast !!!
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Jesus Paddy needs to settle down. Talk about biting the hand that feeds you. His National paymasters will not be happy with this.
http://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/national/comment-national-guilty-of-biggest-campaign-lie/ar-AAscsnt?li=AAaeXZz&ocid=ientp
One of my kids at work was totally convinced Labour was going to increase income tax – until I made him go online on the office computer to get the facts.
😆
Blatant lie of course.How can they get away with it?
Lying does appear to be the National Party’s MO. And they get away with it because the MSM almost never calls them on it.
Tnks Trey.
Interesting to see his Masters issued the following preamble..
“Editor’s note: The opinions in this article are the author’s, as published by our content partner, and do not necessarily represent the views of MSN or Microsoft.”
(PS) Dunno what microsoft has to do with it ..)
But I agree with Gowers sentiments.
“I am calling National out – this is the biggest piece of misinformation this campaign.”
http://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/national/comment-national-guilty-of-biggest-campaign-lie/ar-AAscsnt?li=AAaeXZz&ocid=ientp
This is great news (assuming that the poll is accurate):
http://www.newshub.co.nz/home/election/2017/09/poll-clear-majority-for-kelvin-davis-in-te-tai-tokerau.html
Great to have Harawira kept out. Parliament (who ever is leading it) is a better place without him (on the odd occasion he turned up).
That is bad news. Hone was one of the best Mp’s in the house. A straight talker with no bullshit – the complete opposite of National.
I agree he is the exact opposite of National – thank goodness.
He’s a disgusting person.
‘Disgusting’ is not the opposite of National.
I respectfully disagree.
But everyone is entitled to their views.
Including Hone. He doesn’t need someone like you calling him “disgusting” for expressing his views, does he, james?
when his views are disgusting – then yes.
So James, I noticed you posted some disgusting comments of your own at 8:46, then deleted them shortly afterwards. Given that they were disgusting, and you authored them yourself, ought we to call you “disgusting” from here on? By your reasoning and claim, it seems we should. Fair enough, though it goes against the grain; you’re disgusting, James.
Edit – and now, look what you’ve started! Reason is calling you names, James! Remember, when you point a finger at someone, there are 3 fingers pointing back at you!
You know that they were all Hone quotes with just the race reversed right?
And I prefaced it with “do you think the following comments are racist”.
Obviously you agree with me that Hones comments are disgusting. Top man.
I didn’t see anything other than your own disgusting comments, James; the ones you eventually deleted. Sadly, you’ve cast a stone that’s bounced back and caught you smack in the eye. You know what they say about throwing stones, James? Ruins the look of the best-kept glasshouse.
you’re just a dimwit james – nothing a noddy like you says is meaningful – Hone was correct in targeting little bias pricks like you
nah james, Hones ‘Feed the Kids’ bill is not a disgusting view and I’m so happy that others are keeping it going no matter what his electorate result.
dude, you are busy on here wasn’t going to comment cause I thought you were getting enough attention already, but I had to say something because I’m a strong supporter of that particular bill.
James, I’d probably vote National too but they LIE too much and can’t be trusted with anything, so maybe this time I’ll vote for someone else who’s honesty is still regarded as a VIRTUE
Hey – as long as you vote – thats the main thing.
Looks like he is not going back on the gravy train. His attendance record at parliament broke all records for not turning up.Kept getting paid though. Gosh’some people have short memories.
Do you know how big TTT is? Probably not because you are a dumb cow cockie.
oh ian such wise words from you – why the sudden change? I thought you liked billshit english.
Hi and Cheers garibaldi …. I’m replying to your comment below of this post as the reply button is not showing to me on that one …
But when it comes to disgusting Politicians ….. its hard to trump John Key or Judith Collins …
Pike River and John Key refusing to pay Government compensation to victims families ….despite Government culpbability …. and also despite the Government pocketing millions in insurance payouts ….. http://i.stuff.co.nz/the-press/news/west-coast/9399690/PM-avoiding-Pike-River-payout
“families received the news that the Government had refused to stump up with the $3.41 million reparation ”with an air of resignation and sadness”.
Its still National party policy and its still disgusting …………..
James is a race to the bottom type guy …………….
I reckon Davis will win TTT but I also reckon those Newshub Māori seat polls are rubbish.
So you think they got the answer right – but they are rubbish?
what %ages are you thinking?
Kelvin is a good unit, and will keep drilling into the Corrections culture whether in government or not.
Great to catch up with him at the Avondale Markets on the weekend.
Great news? The loss of a seat to a progressive coalition that needs a stalwart to accommodate the ‘far’ left support is pretty disappointing.
Hone Harawira was fighting racism when National was supporting it ……
More recently he was for feeding hungry NZ schoolkids …..
What other things do you dislike him for James ? ?
fighting racism?
***Edit – I put some Hone quotes here (with edits) – but decided to delete, as well – they are racist as hell.
Besides that – he’s a sell out – see the whole Kim Dotcom thing.. what a guy
Would it surprise you to know I feel the same way about David Seymour? To me he is the worst kind of human pond scum in politics, after David Garrett of course.
No – but then I think you have a rather strange view of the world.
Well Nelson Mandela would disagree with you ….. and was lifted by people like Hone fighting racism when National were supporting it …..
All the countries who boycotted and ruined the Montreal Olympics because of Nationals support of contact with racist Apartheid South Africa would also disagree with you ……
The fact he supported hungry white kids getting fed in schools ….. as well as the brown ones ……… also tends to disagree with you.
The fact is James your an apologist for a Government that resides over a murderous suicide rate for Maori ….
Let me say as one Pakeha to another….You are a white maggot who talks bile ……
By actually listening to interviews of Hone ….. a much different Man emerges than your NAct party smears/spin
You racist maggot
“Racist Maggot” – classy (and amazing funny).
James – can I help? You’ve waded in to waters over your head. You can’t see that you’re insulting a person reason respects, and doing so gratuitously. Reason has explained his reasoning clearly, but you’ve persisted to the point where reason has labled you “a white maggot who talks bile”. Perhaps an apology from you would help? There was no need for your unpleasantness and there are others here who find your (disgusting) comments offensive. Can righties like you say sorry?
Robert – I love how you follow me around commenting on my comments like a wee puppy dog.
When Im in the wrong (as I have been) – I have apologised.
I couldn’t give a flying fudge if reason respects Hone – I dont – and I do think hes a disgusting person.
So, not a glimmer of self-awareness here, James?
No matter. I wasn’t really expecting any, it’s just that you said, and I quote;
“I respectfully disagree.”
I’m just trying to pin down what you meant by “respectfully”, ’cause, you know, your behaviour belies your words.
Robert, you make me laugh. You really need to step up your troll game – its really weak.
Shallow and simple, huh?
Others can listen to Hone and make up their own minds ……. James will be the one who comes out looking disgusting …..
I think the first link dealing with Teina Pora is perhaps the best ….
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vOpvCyJPMgU
Robert seems to have forgotten how Hone got besotted with the fat german ‘s money , and sold his soul to the devil. But Robert speaks in lovely prose and is authoritive and this is his feeding ground so be warned young fellow.
Hone does not have $8 million of pseudo anonymous donations like National gathers ….. let alone the ones we know about ….
22 November 2011: National Party receives $50,0000 donation from Citi Financial Group. Shareholders: Yan Yang and Qiang Wei. (Source) (Source)
22 November 2011: National Party receives $1,600 from Oravida NZ. (Source) (Source)
26 November 2011: NZ General Election
30 November 2011: National Party receives further $55,000 donation from Oravida NZ. (Source) (Source)
27 January 2012: Government ministers approve Shanghai Pengxin’s application to purchase 16 Crafar farms. https://fmacskasy.wordpress.com/tag/crafar-farms/
When one listens to Hone https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vOpvCyJPMgU
……… you understand that the James and Ians are speaking Bill shit ….. Dirty politics, the latest chapter being written in real time.
I’ve also taken note that James thought a post mentioning our disgraceful murderous suicide rate for Maori …. and my insult in relation to that …. to be “amazing funny) ”
laugh like a racist James …………
Hones a much better man than you ……….
“Hone does not have $8 million of pseudo anonymous donations like National gathers ….. let alone the ones we know about ….”
I was going to link to the donations Mana (Not Hone) received in 2016 – but it looks like nobody thought they were worth giving money to.
so you are lying again – typical gnat billshit
Political Donations are not a subject National would want discussed James ….
http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/money/8515361/Money-trail-leads-home-to-New-Zealand
http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0611/S00368.htm
https://www.nzonscreen.com/title/the-hollow-men-2008
It might cause people to ask question about the laws being written , and/or flouted by the NActs …..
People can listen to what Hone says https://youtu.be/yhx5VDWVv0M
Versus what Dirty politics peeps like you say about him ……
The salient point for me is that I’ve always been pretty clear on where Hone Harawira stands politically, regardless of what money has or hasn’t been behind his campaigns. For that reason, I think it can be categorically stated that any attempt to discredit his policies on the grounds of association with Dotcom is a smear (also, anyone who uses the expression “the fat German” is categorically a dick).
I logged off last night after telling James that Hone was a good MP.
Great to read the responses this morning. Thank you all (especially Reason) for supporting Hone against the right wing bile and bigotry from the likes of James and Ian.
Hopefully on Saturday we can relieve the Country from that sort of leadership.
Party vote Green.
Hone is notas left as everyone thinks he is. When he was in the Maori Party he supported welfare reform and privatisation of social services.
How accurate ?
September 15, 2014 Reid Research-Māori TV poll (Te Tai Tokerau)
Vs 2014 Election Result:
………..………………….Poll …… Election Result
Electorate Vote
•Harawira, Mana … 45% … … 41% … – 4
•Davis, Labour …. .. 44% .… .. 45% … + 1
•Paenga, Maori …. . 11% … … 12% … + 1
•Dearlove, Ind …… …1% … …… 2% … + 1
(2014 poll included those Unsure = so I re-calculated to make comparable)
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Remember the Kids interview each of the Leaders Part 2 tonight at 8-9pm on TV1.
Strangely engaging. English is first up tonight – started last night. English, Winston, & Seymour tonight.
Watch out for Winston’s self-portrait. Amazingly good.
This is how stupid the dim twat is. He’s on TV1 on ‘Face the Classroom’ but then agrees to a live question and answer with the Herald at the same time.
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11924141
Celebrating Voyager’s fortieth.
Your planet today.
+1000
Maori Television has the Maori electorates debate on tonight. It has been well worth the watch. Te Tai Tokerau is on at the moment. Marama Davidson earlier on has had the best comment of the evening. Tax is sharing.
Ironically hooking up to 2 parties that see taxation as theft.
Thanks, I’ll see if I can find a replay link. So many things on at the moment.
Another one of these stories. Vote them out.
http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/339741/rotorua-whanau-go-without-food-to-pay-bills
Heartwarming election story
“A passionate Labour supporter died less than two weeks before voting opened, but his message has reached thousands.
Rangiora community stalwart Peter Allen – who suffered from motor neurone disease – died on August 30, 12 days before early voting began.”
https://i.stuff.co.nz/the-press/news/96987242/staunch-labour-supporter-leaves-dying-message-ahead-of-elections
I have this nagging feeling in the back of my head that National is going to win, and win big.
Jacinda will be grieving from the death of her nana, when tomorrow’s debate happens. English will take full advantage of this and destroy her.
I say this all with sorrow.
Well, anything can happen, but over half a million have voted already. That lowers the impact of the debate.
Nobody would blame Ardern if she bowed out, and if she doesn’t blinglish can’t be too much of a prick because that’ll backfire. But equally, I’ve seen some folks channel pain quite spectacularly and blow their objective out of the park – then let out the pain in private, later. Obama was in a similar place in ’08.
If that’s the case it will be New Zealand’s loss because we’ll have to wait another three years for what absolutely everyone agrees will be the inevitable.
Horrible to think what further damage to communities National will do in that time and I don’t really understand why, if change and a Labour/Green win is inevitable, people would want to delay it.
“I don’t really understand why, if a Labour/Green win is eventually inevitable, people would want to delay it.”
Well – its eventually inevitable that National will go on to beat them at some point in the future – so they are just skipping a government 😉
As human impact on the environment in terms of population increase and resource usage begins to bite hard, environmental parties and socially conscious parties will become more popular. Consumption parties will become less popular.
No matter the result on Saturday, these are the death throes of the National government in New Zealand so you’d better enjoy it while it lasts. 🙂
Whilst I would love National to win big – I just cannot see it.
It really is anyones guess how this is going to unfold – I think it will be close either way.
I wouldnt blame Ardern if she wanted to pull out of the debate – and if she did English should support that decision.
You are begging for her to pull out of the debate. Your mates at Kiwiblog were just today saying they suspect Ardern’s grandmother died on purpose this week for the sympathy vote. These are your people we are talking about here.
actually no – not at all. Im saying if she did, then engligh needs to support that decision – with a bit of class and with respect for the situation.
if she wants to debate – great.
and no – any one saying that is not ‘my people’ – just as some of the people on here who say some things arnt ‘your people’ either.
Why do you want National to win big?
So they can reduce taxes for the rich even more?
Pollute our waterways more?
Destroy our health service more?
Sell more of our country to foreigners?
And make James richer.
well for starters – if National win big – it prob means that the greens and NZ First are less than 5% and hopefully goneburger.
I’d be happy for a big National win on that basis alone.
At a time of unprecedented environmental destruction, species extinctions and climate change ………….. James wants to see the Green party gone.
Obviously a delusional white dinosaur …….
You should be made to drink our polluted river water James …… until you either wise up ……….. or go extinct.
In fairness. I might just get my wish on current polling. So I’m not the only one.
In Fairness ….. you were predicting and lusting for the same thing to happen to British Labour under Corbyn …..
Being the big David Cameron fan that you are ….. english chap.
Lets hope your foresight is as good re the greens getting obliterated in New Zealands election ……
Btw, …..Its quite funny to hear a dinosaur say …… ” So I’m not the only one.” ….. extinction is a group event buddy.
Just follow the English ……
Reading Bryce Edwards article earlier regarding the youth quake reminded me of this.
It’s well known fact that as people get older they tend to become more right wing.
It’s also a fact that as you get older you lose brain cells.
I would therefore like to propose that Toryism is a degenerative illness.
As I’ve got older I think I’ve become more tolerant, more empathetic and more left wing.
Ditto
Likewise
National .
Rowley Birkin QC – Very Drunk, Terrible Flattulence – YouTube
Video for Rowley Birkin QC – Terrific Snowstorm▶ 1:10
Risk being bystanders in history – the prick’s going to start a war or two and his senate has given him the green light to do whatever tf he wants to.
Donald Trump will use his first address to the UN general assembly on Tuesday to call for international action to confront North Korea and Iran, which he will portray as twin threats to global security, the White House said.
The US president will warn member states that they risk being “bystanders in history” if they do not mobilise to confront such threats, according to a senior White House official.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/sep/18/donald-trump-first-speech-un-north-korea-iran?
Oh btw … to the GSCB or whoever who keep hijacking and putting up a ‘your access to this site has been blocked 503 ‘ all night long ,….
Go fuck yourselves.
Or then again,… it could be just this , however , … with an election 3 days away and Nationals track record?, … yeah bloody right… :
Why Do I Get 503 Service Unavailable? – YouTube
Video for access blocked 503▶ 2:56