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The current rise of populism challenges the way we think about people’s relationship to the economy.We seem to be entering an era of populism, in which leadership in a democracy is based on preferences of the population which do not seem entirely rational nor serving their longer interests. ...
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Well, if yah going to just go half way, like the guy in the pic above with a half shaved head, you mose as well go all the way.
Otherwise yah just look silly.
Well we can all criticise Winston Peters but he was the only one in NZ politics predicting and supporting Brexit .
His appearance on the Paul Henry show this morning was a eye opener and in my opinion he is heading toward further polling strength. This could be at the expense of Labour as Andrew Little had to back down in his statement regarding tax expert Mr Shewan. Not good for Andrew or Labour.
I pose the question should the LabGreen partnership accept Winston as Prime Minister if as expected Winston will hold the keys to the formation of a Government in 2017.
I believe that will be his price to the LabGreen and NZ First coalition.
I also believe that Little, Turei and Shaw will accept those terms from Winston, such is their desperation to be part of a NZ Government.
National would not accept such a proposal from Winston though they would accept him high in their cabinet rankings.
The question of Prime Ministership in 2017 needs to be asked and answered now, after the election is to late and would cause political turmoil if outcomes are not what the electors expect.
An obsfucation answer to the question should not be tolerated.
Shewans report is a complete parroting of John Key’s various claims and statements about the tax haven, opps Zero tax rated companies Key have made since the panama papers were released.
Show me where he has said anything original.
I’m going to put NRT’s post here in it’s entirety:
Ron Paterson did not intend to see out his full term, but his decision to up-sticks forthwith is worthy of investigation. As NRT infers: something is definitely not right here.
Anyone know what Murray McCully has been up to lately?
Wow, just wow.
Pushing out the Ombudsman? WTF?
They will push out anyone that makes them look bad or shows them up as incompetent
The Brexit Vote: The Painful Price of Inequality
Probably the best breakdown of Brexit that I’ve read so far.
The truth about the British Labour leadership coup.
Been planning it for months. A small bunch of Blairites who never accepted Corbyn and have been waiting for a chance to launch their coup. “Westminster Games”.
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-36632956
Diane Abbott MP. Video now half way down article.
Edit: new Shadow health secretary.
As soon as I heard about it I figured that it had been in the making for months. Probably started before Corbyn even made leader, as it became obvious that he was going to win and not their hand selected parrot. Someone who was a danger to the status quo rather than its defender.
GregJ called it last night:
http://thestandard.org.nz/corbyn-coup-hilary-benn-is-sacked-for-disloyalty/#comment-1195037
So did swordfish. Always good to have it confirmed from ‘a horse’s mouth’ though.
+1
I called it three days ago
But this really isn’t a spitting contest but a place for discussion.
Probably the Blairites are best to try and get this business done before the release of the Chilcott Report huh?
After July 6th they just might be toxic.
Saw this in the comment section of a Guardian article:
Appeals to me anyway.
Ha ha nice one.
Very good thanks
They even waited until Corbyn’s right hand man was out of town at Glastonbury.
Now I have a difficult choice … can I both despise AND absolutely loath these despicable shitters?
Hmmm typical centrists 😛
“They even waited until Corbyn’s right hand man was out of town at Glastonbury”
And he’s just told him what everyone else in the plp knows.
“Labour deputy leader ‘tells Jeremy Corbyn to quit.
Tom Watson has told Jeremy Corbyn to resign. He told him he has “no authority with the PLP”.”
lol
This will be the absolute wreckage of the UKLP.
The fury of the membership and unions will be unlimited. I suspect not a single one of these self-indulgent dorks will be remain in Labour in a year’s time. There’ll be a general crab-like scuttle off towards the rock called Liberal.
These munters had a choice, they could have seen Corbyn as someone different and a challenge to politics as usual, some-one they needed to get in behind, serve protect and promote. They could have formed a team around him and looked after his back, but no. Their personal arrogance had to come first. They had to plot, scheme, and finesse the rule-book.
And just when the Tories are on their knees they act to ensure the Tories will rise unscathed. In wartime you don’t fuck about with traitors, you just execute them out of hand.
I mean the sainted Hilary Benn, has the unmitigated gall to insult his Party Leader in public, call ‘no-confidence’ … and then fail to resign on the spot !!!. What fucking planet did I wake up on today?
That’s one interpretation.
Another is Corbyn was/is/and always will be electoral toast. Rolling him now, after his much discredited performance, could equally be the saving of and popular comeback of UK labour.
I guess only time will tell.
Oh come on, blaming Corbyn for the outcome of a referendum that was never of his own making is a feeble, cowardly fig-leaf.
We have Diane Abbott’s plain commentary on the matter, this scum had been planning it for fucking months. Down to the very detail. Even their ‘resignation’ letters all look they came from the same PR firm.
I just might have a smidgeon less contempt for them if they actually thought they might be stepping down; but in their minds this is nothing more than a game where they play ‘time-out’ for a few days, topple the Leader their Party voted for … and then waddle back into their comfortable troughs under a new Leader who’s neck deep in their debt.
Speaking of which … they all whine that Corbyn is electoral toast, but exactly WHO among their number is not an electoral greasy smut on the ceiling?
What I want to know is if they will resign as MPs if Corbyn stays on as leader.
I don’t know if the rules permit it, but in the circumstances I’d argue he would certainly have moral mandate to ask for them to step down. And with a GE almost certain within six months, there would likely be no especial need to call by-elections.
Looks to me like Peter Swift is using mis-quotes and lying.
“Deputy leader falls short of calling on Corbyn to resign as more frontbenchers quit in protest at his leadership of the party”
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jun/27/labour-resignations-continue-as-mps-try-to-force-out-jeremy-corbyn
I wouldn’t have posted it if I hadn’t have seen it on the BBC website.
http://www.bbc.com/news/live/uk-politics-36570120
You’ll have to scroll down to 21:33 for the ‘breaking’ news.
It does say at 22:08 that “the BBC’s political editor Laura Kuenssberg notes, Mr Watson didn’t explicitly tell Mr Corbyn he should resign and stressed that the final decision was a matter for him.”
But I didn’t see it and my post was before this, so no lie on my part.
I will accept your apology for casting aspersion. 😉
Don’t bother. I’m picking you don’t have it in you. lol
Though next time you call me for mis quoting and stating I’m a liar, I’d appreciate it if you were a little more researched and less half cocked as this time. Thanks.
Lets face it some of these MPs in the UKLP cant decide on the colour of shite.
All the Labour party members did in voting in huge numbers for Corbyn was reaffirm what they historically stood for and that was to represent working people and their aspirations for a better life and fairness at work with a livable wage and a belief in society and properly funded public services and keep the ever present dangerous capitalist establishment in check.
Its been an ambush under the cloak of the BREXIT and these plotters cant accept that the british Labour voter wants something better than the Tories prescription or Tony Blairs New Labour that they rejected with Gordon Brown in 2010 and again with New Labour part two in 2015.
These shadow ministers who have resigned were never prepared to accept Corbyn or any other left wing candidate for leader because they no longer support what their parties founding principles are about and are more relevant now , today than ever before and should think long and hard about what their members want rather than their own vile selfish agendas.
Maybe they should split away and take their chances with a different party if they cant stomach the one they are in.
In the mean time if they cant be loyal they should go to the back of the room and let the elected leadership get on with it and remind themselves unity is strength.
And at the earliest opportunity , resign and test their position at a by election.
and judging by their actions the political classes are themselves in those groupings
Very well put and sums up the mood in the UK.
Well you know what the Brits have done of course…. they have Voted Them Out
Vote Them Out
they did
vto
And I approve of all those English outside of London exercising that option.
40% of people inside London too.
Indeed, you are correct.
“And I approve of all those English outside of London exercising that option.”
Does that mean you disapprove of the scots, N.Ireland, and 13,266,996 voters in England?
http://www.stuff.co.nz/life-style/parenting/little-kids/81489771/teacher-uses-two-apples-to-show-kids-what-really-happens-when-they-bully-others
For anyone involved in teaching this is an interesting anti bullying technique.
Bullies – when young – are often very oblivious to the hurt caused by their actions.
A simple solution – and one that I used to use here at home – is to sit both children involved facing each other – knee to knee. Then as dispassionately as possible articulate what has gone on. The children are asked to look directly into each others faces, and at young ages – very few are able to mask the hurt and pain when they are revisiting what occurred. Most times the “bully” reacts immediately with guilt and empathy.
No requirement for sermons or explanations from the parent.
Not that all children are angels, but the very young are often very empathetic, and we teach them out of this by competitive structures in schooling, sports and in a million other ways.
15 EU laws the UK will miss
Including a couple they can stop making fun of now, but also:
– Free movement of labour … only possibly, despite this being a Leave policy
– The right to be forgotten
– Working time directive
– Temporary Agency Workers Directive
– Renewables Directive
– EU Climate and Energy Package
– Banking Regulations
– Clean Water regulations
“In 1935, a young Laurie Lee set off to walk across Spain, from north to south. In the book the adventure would eventually lead to, As I Walked Out One Midsummer Morning, Lee describes a country riven by inequality, of communities in grinding poverty, and an out-of-touch ruling elite. The fascists and the communists both laid claim to the discontents, the rhetoric becoming increasingly polarised. The narrative resonated across the European continent. By the time Lee got to Malaga, in the summer of 1936, the Spanish civil war had begun.”
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jun/27/liverpool-london-brexit-leave-eu-referendum
what next?
Thanks, that was a grim but important read.
Now imagine the despairing fury of these people, betrayed by the Labour party and brutalised by an extreme right wing government in a few years time.
Define “extreme right wing”.
Families living in cars while government ministers lie and blame and build private prisons.
“Families living in cars while government ministers lie and blame and build private prisons.” – Burn!
Bit worried about your historical future Wayne, don’t worry, you seemed soft for that mob in the end, please let me down.
Work assessment tests with fatal outcomes
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-34838539
Benefit sanctions with fatal outcomes
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/benefit-sanctions-lead-claimants-to-self-harm-crime-and-destitution-warns-damning-report-a7047211.html
Why don’t you go first, Wayne, and define ‘Hard Left’ which is your favourite put-down of your political opponents.
Although shortly stated, it was intended to be a serious question. Whilst there are pressing social problems to be solved, I don’t think the current govt fits the usual definition of extreme right wing. Centre right, or depending ones perspective right. Not when we have a minimum wage of $15, and an increase in general benefit levels, both of which occurred under the current govt. In my view etreme right wing would need to be more like say the Republicans in the US, or perhaps ACT in NZ.
As for the definition of Hard left, I would say the Corbynista left of UK Labour fits well enough. That would include some on the left of Labour in NZ and the left of the Greens (and quite a few commenters on this site). It would not include Andrew Little or James Shaw. Not sure where I would put the most left of the Labours MP’s (for instance Carmel Sepuloni) I am not sure that she would be far left enough to meet the my definition of hard left. Choosing people as illustrations helps. This not intended to be personal, it is just that it easier than a formal description of political philosophy. Lilia Harre would do so. As much as anything for her role in the destruction of the Alliance. Breaking it up on the basis of Afghanistan following 9/11 seemed reckless, even though I was looking at it from the perspective of the Opposition. Similarly her involvement with Kim Dotcom. We are all assessed on our political judgements and others will make of them what they will.
My old school fellow pupil, Len Richards, would also qualify, he was two years ahead of me. I have not heard much of him in the news these days, so he might be retired.
$15 must be enough, because a living wage is ~$20.
I wonder if you even understand the contempt you’ve earned.
I am certainly aware of some pretty personal attacks on this site, which means it is risky for me to comment.
Most people on the right would regard me as a moderate liberal, but in recent times this site (or at least some of the commenters) has become much less forgiving of hearing an alternate view, at least if put by me.
The right has enjoyed political dominance without a public mandate for much too long. So now its organs are reviled and dare not show their faces to the people they have misled and betrayed. Why are you surprised?
You toss around labels like confetti. Can’t take the heat from your employers? Your predetermined opinions and association with the National Party constitute a conflict of interest.
I note your abject failure to address the points raised: families living in cars while your corrupt crony sponsors lie and blame and increase the prison population, then you have the insufferable gall to pretend that $15 p/h is a good earn.
Go on, pretend criticism of your opinions and behaviour is a personal attack. That’ll work 🙄
“but in recent times this site (or at least some of the commenters) has become much less forgiving of hearing an alternate view, at least if put by me.”
symptomatic of the type of feelings expressed in the US and UK……feelings that apparently have no basis in NZ?
For better or worse, the policy doesn’t allow interventions for personal attacks unless they get pretty extreme or stray from the post and/or discussion.
The reason why the policy has those limits is because the site was founded to provide robust public debate. That means that we can have people on here doing the usual right wing unthinking slagging of the poor, and the equivalent left wing demonisation of the capitalists. The reason that we want this is because it means that the public debate that is essential for the development of good supported public policy is able to happen, and that the choke points of debate aren’t left in the hands of mindless demagogues like Mike Hoskings or Nigel Farange. Personally I consider that those kinds of narcissistic and probably psychotic personalities simply aren’t that reliable at leading rational debates.
But to be able to express an opinion on people like that, you have to allow all people seeking a public profile to similarly be analysed. People carry their history with them when they claim it as you have done, and they will be attacked on it – mainly limited by legal limits, not screwing up the debate here with too many side issues, and a modicum of good taste.
And it isn’t exclusive. It operates in exactly the same way for anyone on the left as well. Even with my very limited public profile, that has been extensively attacked in various media. More recently it has been personally and expensively attacked in the courts by a illiterate legal idiot in a private prosecution. It appears that he failed to read the first paragraph of the about on this site. It is simply part of the cost of being involved in having a public life.
I suspect that in many policy areas you’d be well to the ‘left’ of me.
This isn’t abnormal and is a whole lot less here than in many forums. But have you ever seen what happens if I make a comment on kiwiblog? Even one supporting something said by David Farrar? The second reason (after a simple lack of time) that I don’t comment there very often is that I have an aversion to derailing comment streams by simply being present. Comment streams there tend to immediately divert into “I hate lprent” whenever I make a comment regardless on what the comment is about or what its content is. It is a whole lot more extreme than anything that is allowed to happen on this site.
If you do spot anything that walks too far over the edge in comments, then just highlight it in a comment or in email
Wayne. Here is a quote of something you once said on Bowalley Road.
“On that basis, I would say there is a reliable 25% of the voting population who are essentially left (hard left as I am wont to say) as opposed to centre-left. ”
If it is true that, in your terms, anyone who is a traditional Social Democrat is Hard Left, then it must also be true that a similar percentage on the Right can be designated in the same fashion.
Based on the high tide marks achieved by ACT and various conservative / Christian parties, and the fact that most of the people who have in the past voted for those Parties have certainly defaulted to currently voting National as their only viable option, it must also be true to say that nearly half of National’s voter base are, in your terms “Hard Right”??
There seems to have been uncertain result in the Spanish elections. The conservative Peoples Party have 137 seats out of 350; the Socialists 85; Unidos Podemos 71; and other conservative party 32. Coalition possibilities are uncertain. UP did not do as well as many were hoping apparently.
Yeah the centre right gained a few seats, but not enough yet again to form a majority government.
third time lucky?
Corbyn and his rump of ragtag Commies will lead UK Labour to the greatest defeat in history. Foretaste of what is to come here.
Meh – England is a sideshow now. The schwerpunkt will be in Europe.
Then why do you care Tory? You should stay quiet & then laugh with glee if what you say turns out correct & use your crystal ball to predict winning Lotto numbers genius.
A better class of chicken entrails…
http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2016/07/04/the-political-resonance-of-game-of-thrones?mbid=social_facebook
Lprent
I’m getting redflags (in firefox top tab – instead of the clicked page loading) most of the time when I try to access or refresh OM (more than usual). The other posts are mostly ok, but some of the older ones have been giving me the same problem. Thought I’d mention it here, as this post loads and won’t be too distracting to the above discussion.
Is this just me, or have others been having this problem too?