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Diconnected Key

Written By: - Date published: 7:28 am, August 31st, 2010 - 36 comments
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According to John Key, teachers who want to maintain reasonably class sizes and free flu vaccines are disconnected from the real world.

That would be the real world of hanging out with the Queen and spending $1.5bn on finance companies I guess.

What a dick.

36 comments on “Diconnected Key ”

  1. Carol 1

    Yes, what a dic!
    As I said in the Kiwi jester thread, people who criticise teachers for being disconnected from reality, tend to have a very scewed sense of reality. I think such people have a very narrow view of reality, which they equate with money, and have little sense of the realities of life for a large section of society, including those struggling under difficult conditions. Whereas teachers, especially in the public sector, are in the front line and usually engaging with people from diverse sections of society.

    • illuminatedtiger 1.1

      And are likely teaching the offspring of these ungrateful malcontents.

    • Cnr Joe 1.2

      Quite Carol – a diconnected dic who would dic-tate to us all his dic-tum of dic-tatorial , dic-hotomous ‘we have and you want….’ – (ran out of steam there..)

  2. billy fish 2

    Actually I think you will find is that John Key said teachers are disconnected from Realty. Meaning thier pay is insuffucient to invest in the property market.
    These scurrilous attacks on our glorious leader must cease

  3. Hope Prince Phillip does not make any Jew jokes while he and Johnny Boy are hanging out.

    I’m a teacher and I know exactly what he John Key is talking about. I live in a multi-million dollar mansion in Auckland, I have a multi-million dollar holiday home in Hawaii (it’s just a bach, you know. I do love to rough it some times) I then nip off to have afternoon tea with the Queen, taking some of wine from my vineyard (but don’t tell anyone about it cause it’s from my “blind” trust) and to be quite frank I’m so rich I donate my pay to charity.

    Yeah teachers are the ones out of touch with reality.

  4. Daveski 4

    Naturally of course, the blind support of the PPTA has little to do with the number of teachers in Labour seats nor indeed the amount paid by the PPTA to Labour’s coffers.

    I think you’ll find that Key made the point that expecting an across the board 4% increase in the current climate showed how disconnected the PPTA is. I note that not surprisingly this hasn’t been noted by any of the comments. Nor has it been noted that the major increases achieved by the PPTA in the past 10 years or so aren’t acknowledged.

    Perhaps the reality is that the Standard is disconnected from the reality as I would suggest that while the public supports teachers in general, the same people would struggle to find a coherent reason to pay teachers 4% across the board but not other well deserving cases.

    Let’s also not forget that teachers have been largely immune from the ravages of the recession, at least in terms of demand-driven redundancies.

    And before you shoot your foot off, I have pressed the chalk on the board at a number of schools.

    • Crumble 4.1

      I think there are a number of teachers on the National benches as well. I know Brownlee was one.

      • Daveski 4.1.1

        True but that doesn’t mean the PPTA equally funds both major parties 🙂

        • George

          The PPTA doesn’t fund Labour. Last election they ran billboards critical of the (labour) government.

        • Crumble

          I have seen nothing that PPTA gives money to any party. Evidence? 🙂

        • Daveski

          Touche. That was my experience … in my day 🙂

        • roger nome

          i can just see Brownlee before the lunch time break…

          “Smith you low-decile twit, you’re on pie and lamington duty. I’ve only got $3 cash – you can pay for the rest seeing as my taxes pay for your parent’s doll. You’ve been stealing from me long enough!” (lets off in front of class, filling the class-room with particles from the 10 kilos of compacted faeces in his colon). .

      • Rhinocrates 4.1.2

        Ah, Gerry the Hutt, former teacher. “…and those who cannot teach… become National Ministers”

    • bbfloyd 4.2

      Davo.. what was your specialist subject? dissembling? i’m assuming you got proper qualifications, so i will guess that your thesis was on the role of the modern day apologist for the reactionary conservative primary school student.

      by the way, are you still doing that to chalk, or have you given that up to chase the money?

      • Daveski 4.2.1

        Interesting digressonary tactics BBF. The main part of my comment was that Key\’s comments related not to the points made by IB in the lead post but to the expectation of a 4% increase in this climate. I note you haven\’t disputed that. The only apologies should be yours on that basis.

        On a personal level, I left teaching as I discovered I was more motivated by learning than by assessing. It was also clear the path set out for future teachers was more assessment and less teaching and I think this has been proven pretty much correct.

        And yes, I did feel that the model rewarded the teachers who did little but eat their lunch but still clocked up the same as teachers who were active both in the classroom and outside it, exactly as my wife found out when she went teaching.

        My point is that I understand the demands on teaching and agree that the better teachers – those who perform in and outside the classroom – should be paid considerably more. However, that does not mean I believe ALL teachers should be paid considerably more as there is a growing minority that should never be in the classroom.

        The problem for many teachers, especially in the rural provincial areas, is that their salaries are set on a national basis meaning they are in fact earning well above the median for their skills and experience in their region. As a result, a lot of older teachers are stuck in teaching. Paying them more is hardly connected to reality either.

        • felix

          When you say “a 4% increase in this climate” I assume you mean this economic climate in which inflation is forecast to be 6%.

          If so then I agree – 4% is an insulting pay cut in real terms.

          • Daveski

            In the climate of 1-2% increases and indeed job losses. If I was on say $40K and worried about my own job security, I would NOT be worried about how “unfair” it is that those poor teachers aren’t getting 4%. The responses here simply reinforce that Key’s comments (as reported by the media but not here) are close to the mark.

            • Pascal's bookie

              “We would love to see wages drop.”

            • felix

              So Dave, are you saying that because the govt wants everyone to take a pay cut then everyone should just accept that and any dissenters should be called out as self-serving and bourgeois?

              What kind of statist, central-planned, authoritarian commie shit is that?

            • Draco T Bastard

              The pay needs to cover the living costs and the living costs are going up. Supply and demand doesn’t work in reality. It’s just another fiction set up by the economists that sounds like it could work.

    • felix 4.3

      Ah Daveski, you always give me a laugh.

      …while the public supports teachers in general, the same people would struggle to find a coherent reason to pay teachers 4% across the board but not other well deserving cases.

      Please show where anyone is arguing that “other well deserving cases” shouldn’t be getting decent wage rises.

      (Anyone except the National/ACT govt, that is)

    • Mac1 4.4

      Daveski, the major increases achieved by the PPTA over the past decade are, according to the Herald, 50%, or $24,000, for the average teacher.

      Check my maths. You were a chalk’n’talker yourself, so you say. 4% per annum over 10 years becomes a 50% increase. Teachers have been getting no more than on average a 4% increase per annum- i.e. about the inflation rate. Major increases? Nah!

      1.5% plus 1% a year later is way behind the inflation rate. Especially the predicted rate of 5.9% with the GST rise. You know the GST rise? The one that Key said would not happen? Talk about disconnected!

      Truth is surely disconnected from reality by that man.

  5. Shaun 5

    National Standards are in order if one cannot spell “disconnected”.

  6. Tanz 6

    Yes, but he’s Mr Self Important isn’t he, Mr Photo Opportunity and Mr Know It All (while living in his large and bland mansion)…there is far too much power invested in one pair of hands in New Zealand, and what would a horribly rich money-trader know about teaching? Out of touch, somewhat., and very much out of line. Sadly, not al of us can afford private schools for our kids, but what would he care?

  7. felix 7

    How many more righties are going to reveal themselves as “ex-teachers”?

    Funny, they were all HR specialists a couple of weeks ago.

    • Bored 7.1

      Which Felix tends to back what I have said about the teachers doing better than the support staff who took 1.4% with full PPTA crss union support……maybe teachers are actually “recent righties” who are now experiencing the joys of voting for Key in the full expectation that their professional body (aka PPTA) could do the right wing thing the way other professional bodies have and raise the charge regardless of the climate???

  8. Jum 8

    Key’s mate Nigel Latta could help Key be rewired to care. In his book Beyond the Darklands Latta talks about children’s brains being hardwired after the appalling acts they have suffered at the hands of adults, controlling agencies and other psychotics.

    People like John Key have a particular mind-set. They are impervious to the suffering they cause. It does not even enter their thought processes that the changes they have wrought are not conducive to the well-being of society.

    That is why he is so successful at being a moneytrader. Financial pursuits do not require consideration of others; they only require focus on multiplying that financial base at the exclusion of all else. To Key, human beings are units. Key’s is a psychotic personality that likes to play games with people’s lives.

    Captcha: helping

  9. Tanz 9

    One good thiing, Jum, is that life itself is something of a game (not that it was meant to be) and Key doesn’t get to take his fortune with him. At the end of the day, all the money goes back into the box, and he ends up the same as the rest of us, puff.

  10. Lazy Susan 10

    In ShonKeys “reality” these troublesome teachers should stop grumbling about pay and conditions and get on with the job.

    In his “reality”, if you want more money, maybe you should be running a failed finance company, or speculating on property or currency. Maybe marketing booze or writing spin for his party. This is where you’ll get the big bucks.

    His “reality” is about giving massive tax cuts to the wealthy elite and raising GST. Setting up a super shitty to wrest the control of Auckland’s assets from it’s citizen. Bashing the most vulnerable in society and manufacturing so called “crises” in the ACC and welfare system.

    Stuff your “reality” Mr Key ’cause I don’t want a bar of it.

  11. MikeG 11

    Perhaps it’s time someone told Key that it is hard to be disconnected from reality when it enters the classroom every day. I don’t think that the same could be said of the Beehive.

  12. Carol 12

    And Mr Key is bragging he can pick up the phone & call any number of world leaders and they will take the call.


    Mr Key said multilateral partnerships like Asia-Pacific Economic Cooperation (Apec), the Pacific Islands Forum, Commonwealth Heads of Government Meeting, United Nations and the Association of Southeast Asian Nations were serious commitments which New Zealand benefitted from.

    “In the first instance what we get is personal relationships so if I needed to ring up the President of the United States I could do that and he would take my call.

    “And that’s partly because I have developed a personal relationship from getting to know him at Apec or the nuclear security summit.”

    He said that was true of other leaders too.

    Leaders needed to have a serious agenda.

    And yet, he phoned Tony Abbott immediately after the Aussie elections, but somehow didn’t have Julia Gillard’s number.


    Mr Key said today he called Mr Abbott and left a brief message commenting on the closeness of the election, but not having a direct phone number for Julia Gillard meant she had not had the same call, Mr Key said – although he did say he planned to have a crack at getting hold of her.

    But I guess it’s all about bragging rights and photo ops with what he sees as “the big boys [neoliberal?] club”

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