Fact checkin’ round 2

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1. Carol 1

   3 November 2008 at 7:48 pm

   I think John Campbell is doing OK. He’s stopping the debate from dissolving into a shouting match, letting each leader have a say, and asking them some tough questions.
2. IrishBill 2

   3 November 2008 at 7:49 pm

   The textpoll is arse as well. TV3 also seems to have dropped the livestream at 7:30 and my TV doesn’t get channel 3. TVNZ ran their whole debate streaming. What’s the point of ultrafast broadband if the private sector can’t bloody well use the medium properly!

   Cap: “knowing waiting”. Too bloody right.
3. Carol 3

   3 November 2008 at 7:50 pm

   Agree the txt poll is very bad. Should not be alllowed in a serious election debate,
4. IrishBill 4

   3 November 2008 at 7:52 pm

   And from what I saw Helen was clearly winning and Campbell was doing a good job of cutting through some of the spin.
5. gobsmacked 5

   3 November 2008 at 7:54 pm

   Campbell has ADD. As soon as they get into a topic, and are about to get past the prepared lines into the substance … he moves on to another topic.

   Bloody infuriating.
6. forgetaboutthelastone 6

   3 November 2008 at 8:00 pm

   campbell is bollix – he called john key “mate” – is that appropriate? no straight answers from key as usual – why is he allowed to get away with that?
7. Carol 7

   3 November 2008 at 8:01 pm

   Key didn’t give any answer of substance on Nanny state coming thru his door.
8. gobsmacked 8

   3 November 2008 at 8:04 pm

   Clark should have learned by now, if the moderator / interviewer won’t do the job, she has to. For example, tonight Key has said 1) he wasn’t in government in the ’90’s and 2) said “we” introduced WFF under Shipley.

   So fire a question straight at Key: “Do you stand by Bill English and the last National government, or do you reject it?”

   Get your sound bites and killer lines in, you can’t win on substance in this dumbed-down format.
9. IrishBill 9

   3 November 2008 at 8:05 pm

   Well TV3 may not be able to make a live stream work but I can certainly fashion an outside aerial with a coathanger. That’ll be that kiwi ingenuity.

   Did Key just say English has “charm”?
10. randal 10

    3 November 2008 at 8:09 pm

    keys would say anything!
11. Carol 11

    3 November 2008 at 8:10 pm

    key keeps saying that record number stat, and no-one calls him on it not being a record if linked to population.
12. Chris G 12

    3 November 2008 at 8:11 pm

    Key: Repeating rehearsed lines and the same stats, yawn. Itll sway the ill informed young voters, sadly.

    Clark: Been trying to jump on those lies but Campbell gets in the way. She should have jumped on him when Key pissed up big time talking about a fresh direction when Campbell listed his top 12 on the list who are all the usual suspects.

    Listening to my flatmates misogynist and shallow comments… infuriating.
13. Carol 13

    3 November 2008 at 8:20 pm

    I tried to txt a vote & got a “could not fetch content” reply.
14. Quoth the Raven 14

    3 November 2008 at 8:25 pm

    That panel Campbell has got are a bunch of sorry fuckwits, I can hardly stand to watch their fuckwittery.
15. forgetaboutthelastone 15

    3 November 2008 at 8:26 pm

    here come the analysts – bring on the wankers. Its a competition of who can be the most cynical – one woman looks deeply depressed.
16. Carol 16

    3 November 2008 at 8:26 pm

    Oh, now Campbell says the error messges are wrong. I’d already tried sending my vote again. Gonna be a really acurate poll then
17. higherstandard 17

    3 November 2008 at 8:27 pm

    What a waste of an hour.

    All it served to do was remind me of why I don’t watch Campbell.
18. Chris G 18

    3 November 2008 at 8:27 pm

    Im glad i stopped watching before the analysts came on. judging by the previous posts. I was already fuming watching the debate
19. Killinginthenameof 19

    3 November 2008 at 8:29 pm

    Lol, my flat most vehement National voter (only moderately political, but still) has just told me that he doesn’t like Key because he is rich.
20. Alan 20

    3 November 2008 at 8:34 pm

    Clark smoked Key. Hands down.

    The panel is absolutely dreadful. And what’s the deal with that STUPID stock trading game?
21. Tane 21

    3 November 2008 at 8:35 pm

    That ipredict stuff is hiliarous – there were like four trades and they’re trying to figure out who won the debate from it. Tragic.
22. GordonF 22

    3 November 2008 at 8:35 pm

    Actually Jenny McManus just nailed Key. Linda Clark also said that it looked as if Key had no hunger for the role of PM and Clark did, wiping the floor with him.
    Downside is the promotion of ipredict, along the same line as text polls:-(
23. Carol 23

    3 November 2008 at 8:37 pm

    I disagree that there is no prescription for dealing with the financial crisis. Labour has a prescription.

    The US election shouldn’t be compared to ours. If our leaders did all the showmanship stuff, Kiwis would reject it.
24. Carol 24

    3 November 2008 at 8:38 pm

    Yeah. Then they all come out and say Key will be PM! wtf?!
25. Chris G 25

    3 November 2008 at 8:39 pm

    Cos I’m surrounded by only Uni students, this obviously isnt a representative or valid inference of the general populous of nat supporters. But I’m going to give it to you anyway.

    The Male Uni student Nat supporter: say things like ‘Look at John hes just such a nice guy’ , ‘Helens like a man’, ‘Im sick of Labour’….. Very rarely do I hear any substantial reasons as to why they will vote national.

    When I quizzed one flatmate why hes voting national: ‘I dont like Sue Bradford and Sue Kedgley’ That was all I could get out of him.

    I might get grilled for this comment, but its gods honest truth when looking at the people who surround me – a bunch of rich white young guys.
26. Steve Pierson 26

    3 November 2008 at 8:40 pm

    The panel was pathetic, and going over the the ‘live market’ for ipredict was a joke. There had been five trades during the debate, basically a flat.

    But that quote from Jenni McManus, that was gold.
27. Carol 27

    3 November 2008 at 8:44 pm

    Can we vote put in a vote to TV3 on how good the panel were?
28. Tane 28

    3 November 2008 at 8:44 pm

    Watched the debate with two Tory voters, a Labourite and a Greenie. All five of us gave the debate to Clark.
29. randal 29

    3 November 2008 at 9:24 pm

    yeah I had to turn it off I’m afraid
    i could hear all the whingeing from Keys from the other room and campbell was oozing out of the video all acroos my living room floor like a big heap of slime from chungas revenge
    that man had too many cheese sandwhiches before the show started
    blerrrrk
30. gobsmacked 30

    3 November 2008 at 9:31 pm

    Small footnote:

    A blogger – fact-checking, in real time.

    A TV channel, with four “experts” and half an hour of post-debate airtime – not one fact checked, not one assertion queried. Not a single one.

    That’s NZ’s media, in a nutshell.
31. Quoth the Raven 31

    3 November 2008 at 9:36 pm

    gobsmacked – You’ve absolutely hit the nail on the head.
32. randal 32

    3 November 2008 at 9:36 pm

    hey …the media area a pack of smug self satisfied greassy little noo noo heads who spend most of the time looking in the mirror and the rest of the time vibrating passionateley while they dream about their vision where they have actually learned to read!
33. randal 33

    3 November 2008 at 9:47 pm

    hah… and my blog has just been gluggle searched for misdemeanours about the one who was rude to nicole kidman
    now thats kid stuff to the max
    and the rest are just the same
    the clearasil crowd masquerading as grown ups

    captcha- caesars morn- yes helen is going to cross the rubicon….you betcha
34. Matthew Pilott 34

    3 November 2008 at 9:53 pm

    That panel was the biggest load of gobshite I’ve seen. Some ‘tard closest to JC was wondering why she didn’t get all the answers to the world’s economic crisis, and a 50-frkin’-point plan as to what they were going to do about it. Hate to say it honey, but it ain’t always the economy, and you’re stupid.
35. randal 35

    3 November 2008 at 10:02 pm

    fact checking?
    hmmmm
    wonder if the herald and the dimopost have their frontpages laid out already
    hehehehehehe
    they are going to wake up with a bad hangover after thisone!
36. mike 36

    3 November 2008 at 10:11 pm

    “when looking at the people who surround me – a bunch of rich white young guys.”

    Why bring skin colour into it – are you racist or just bitter?
37. Alexandra 37

    3 November 2008 at 10:39 pm

    Chris G, I absolutely understand what you are saying. I find that most Nat supporters arent able to present any reasonable rationale for their political preference. I believe that is because of family associations and ideology rather than for anything meaningful that they can put their finger on. It must be hard for many national voters to accept that the policies they support will result in tangible hardship for many people. Its easy to presume that those who are better off are so because they either work harder and are some how more deserving than others. They are too selfish and shallow to consider that their wealth is a direct result of the hard work of the low paid. That is why you find as I do, that rich white guys, all too often engage in personalised criticisms. generally directed at women MP’s.
38. Chris G 38

    3 November 2008 at 10:49 pm

    Certainely neither..Considering I’m in the aforementioned category, no I’m not bitter. And if your suggesting I’m a ‘tall-poppy-cutter-hate-on-rich-people-commy’ well your wrong doubly.

    Plus if thats all you could derive from my comment, clearly I made some good points. Maybe you’ve heard similar comments flowing out of some mouths. Cheers pal.
39. Chris G 39

    3 November 2008 at 10:55 pm

    Alexandra,

    Great comment, couldn’t agree more. It seems our experiences echo.

    I find it a sad indictment on a chunk of our voting populous who seem to be voting because their misogynistic or dont like the way someone looks. Apparently it doesnt stop when they get older either… surf whaleO or kiwiblog for a few mins to find plenty of evidence of that.
40. Carol 40

    4 November 2008 at 7:20 am

    I find it a sad indictment on a chunk of our voting populous who seem to be voting because their misogynistic or dont like the way someone looks.

    This is part of my dismay at the thought of a National led government. It seems like such a step backwards in terms of attitudes, civil rights, and social justice. OTOH I am uplifted by the way so much of the discussion on the left is based on MP’s and candidates politcies and political skills, rather than their gender, sexuality or appearance.
41. Ari 41

    4 November 2008 at 8:15 am

    Why bring skin colour into it – are you racist or just bitter?

    I find it very sad that you can look at that quote and actually get the impression that Chris G is racist, (rather than you know, acknowledging a bias that exists among people similar to himself) and that the people he’s talking about aren’t an example of racial privilege. (which is not the same thing as racism, because racism is the abuse of a racial privilege. Just so nobody goes putting words in my mouth 😉 )
42. Joanna 42

    4 November 2008 at 11:37 am

    Chris – I also have a number of friends voting for national for bizzare reasons, for example, Clark’s looks, marriage, the fact she has no children etc etc.
    I wonder if its generational thing though as I suspect we are of similar ages (both flatting, uni etc).
    It does worry me that so many people at university buy into this trash – so much for teaching reasoned thinking – although all my examples are from the commerce department so maybe it makes sense 🙂

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