web analytics

Govt ignored advice to save lives with lower drink-drive limit

Written By: - Date published: 12:22 pm, September 21st, 2010 - 29 comments
Categories: alcohol, same old national - Tags: , , ,

The government was told that lowering the drink-drive limit would save 33 lives and $238 million a year. They ignored it. Why? I reckon the only money they were worried about was donations from the booze barons.

Reminds me of the water quality regulations. Government extended the timeline because of the ‘cost’. Ignored the benefits of better water.

Same with air quality regulations. Canned because of cost. Benefits that outweighed the cost ignored.

Not to mention that billions is being wasted on roads while kindergarten funding is being cut.

These idiots don’t bother with basic cost vs benefit analyses. It’s all about pay-offs for their mates. And donation kickbacks.

29 comments on “Govt ignored advice to save lives with lower drink-drive limit ”

  1. Bunji 1

    And National MPs won’t be allowed a conscience vote on whether they want to send 33 people to their deaths each year. John Key had said it would be for Darren Hughes’ Bill proposing the limit drop, but someone obviously had a word with him and he changed his mind. These Nats like to do the window dressing on alcohol, but refuse to do what will work.

    And it’s not entirely fair to suggest they don’t bother with cost benefit analysis – we know that the highway from Puhoi to Wellsford to help John Key & Stephen Joyce get to their holiday homes quicker has a cost benefit of 0.8 and transmission gully has 0.6. But they’re of National Party Significance, so a mere thing like economic sense doesn’t come into it…

  2. jcuknz 2

    Of course it couldn’t be a sane approach to not wishing futher restrictions on the majority of us who drink a little and would be turned into criminals … of course not. Sadly they don’t seem to be doing anything about the alcoholic addicts who are the real problem.

    • Bunji 2.1

      Above 0.05g alcohol/100ml blood your reactions are significantly slowed. To the point of 33 people/year dying, dozens injured and a cost to the economy of $238 million.

      I certainly can’t justify me having an extra drink before I drive if that’s the cost – can you? It sounds pretty criminal to me.

    • bbfloyd 2.2

      so why is it so important to be able to drive around with even slightly impaired judgement.? when did it become an issue of democratic right to be able to inflict the after effects of drinking alcohol on others when it is known that one will have to drive a car afterwards?

      do you not understand the effects alcohol has on thought processes? that overconfidence that leads to unnecessary risk taking, coupled with inaccurate distance judgement, heightened aggression levels, and a corresponding drop off in skill levels?

      if you drive knowing what you risk, then my freind, you are guilty of, at the least, having no regard for the rights of people to go about their normal activities without the danger of being wiped out by an impaired driver pushing a ton of lethal weapon.(car)

    • Ari 2.3

      So you think it’s worth 33 people dying a year so that the odd mostly responsible drinker can drive while they’re tipsy enough to be at a significant risk of causing accidents?

      I’m all for social freedom, but you don’t have the freedom to impair yourself driving a dangerously fast vehicle like a car. I’d rather people didn’t drink at all if they’re driving- it’s the responsible thing to do. We’re not talking about people who are drinking at home here having police bust in and close up their party, so I’m not sure how it’s really appropriate to talk of drinkers being “criminalised”. This is an issue of safety, and I think using any other drug that impairs your attention or reactions while you drive is equally as serious.

      • grumpy 2.3.1

        It’s not 33 a year idiot, read the research, piss poor though it is.

        And 0.00% would save even more!!!!

        Why have all these pommie experts not been able to convince their own (UK) govt., who have stuck with 0.08%???

  3. the sprout 3

    another great triumph for the alcohol industry.
    what’s 33 lives per year compared to the alco-dollars to made.

    • bbfloyd 3.1

      most of them would probably be poor anyway. no loss compared to the millions the wholesalers can make. not to mention stanley key. (damn, i wasn’t going to mention him) and who else within the govt i wonder?

  4. Paulp 4

    “Why? I reckon the only money they were worried about was donations from the booze barons.”

    Don’t see anything like this in the register of donations to political parties. You got some proof?

    Could bring the govt down if you did show a link between donations and the drink-drive limit, so assume you don”t.

    • ianmac 4.1

      I thought that it was still impossible to see who donated to whom?

      • Ari 4.1.1

        It’s not impossible, it’s just that many donations are funneled through anonymous trusts, which still have the right to make political donations in New Zealand. You can see everyone else’s donations just fine. =/

    • bbfloyd 4.2

      Paully… the conflict of interests have been exposed, and promptly ignored by the media poodles. “bring down the govt”, don’t be naive.

  5. tc 5

    Hey paulp….start with sideshow’s ‘blind’ trust and his vineyard holdings.

    It as much about vested interests/investment values not being impacted as it is about donations and this gov’ts dodged a few issues that would adversley impact consumption and therefore liquor industry profits.

    As for bringing the gov’t down, you need an MSM with a spine/integrity and an opposition with fire in the belly and focus……..move along people nothing here to see.

  6. anarcho 6

    So you lot going to go on the wagon in protest? Hell if this couintry had a week long drinking strike things might happen…. or not.

    • bbfloyd 6.1

      much better to brew our own beer. or distill our own spirits. if we really need to drink that badly.

    • Vicky32 6.2

      I am already permanently on the wagon! 😀 And believe me, if I can do it, anyone can… Drink driving is an appalling crime. (I had a father who did it all the time – he got caught of course, and lost his licence for years – it was enforced much better then.)
      Deb

  7. tc 7

    I personally look for the local boutique beers now….support a local industry with so much more quality and flavour V donating to the mostly foreign owned ‘locals’ like DB and lion who pursue a bottom line rather than quality beers.

    Tasted Lion Red/export gold/tui’s lately ?…..the prosecution rests.

  8. Disengaged 8

    Up to 33 lives a year could be saved by changing the limit. The Ministry of Transport also stated that:

    “statistics showed people with a blood alcohol level between 0.08 and 0.05 caused 30 deaths between 2006-2008”

    So that’s 10 people a year on average. While any death is too many, I’m not convinced that lowering the alcohol limit alone would save those lives in any case.

    Better driver training, encouraging better car maintenance and getting more people to use public transport would probably result in far more lives saved.

    • Loota 8.1

      This is a lot of effort and heartache over 10 deaths per year (I hate how they manipulate the numbers and our reporters are too stupid to use a calculator), when at least 1200 NZ’ers die of accidents and injuries every year.

      Those are 10 real lives, but it is also rounding error material.

      More important question: how many lives are lost per year to drivers who are more than twice over the limit, and/or disqualified/driving contrary to the conditions of their license?

      I have a gut feeling that it will be way more than 10 per year.

      QUESTION: why isn’t more attention being paid to that.

      Too hard to enforce existing laws is a probable answer…

      • bbfloyd 8.1.1

        another aspect that i havn’t seen mentioned in all this, and indeed any other debate, or article, is the cost of non fatal accidents caused by mildly impaired drivers. i personally know more than a few people who have had low speed collisions, or hit posts, fences, a brick wall in one instance.
        lots of bruises, some gashes, and two broken arms from memory. some of these people were able to get insurance to pay out, but most were denied as they had been under the influence when they did the damage.

        my point is, that if i know people who have had that happen, then how many others have similar experience. and how much does all that cost in medical/police/insurance over a year. not to mention acc/ loss of earnings.

      • grumpy 8.1.2

        And how many of the 10 per year are below the age which will now have zero tolerance. We are probably now only talking of “saving” 1 or 2 lives a year.

        • mcflock 8.1.2.1

          [assuming, for the sake of argument, the estimate of “1 or 2” is accurate] oh, fair enough then.
          Your right to drink and drive shouldn’t be infringed. /sarc

  9. Tigger 9

    More hypocrisy from the ‘value for money’ lot.

  10. tsmithfield 10

    One point is that most people who drink responsibly probably don’t get near the .08 limit anyway. That is because people most likely take a precautionary approach to the amount they are drinking. That is, they probably prefer to be well under the limit to avoid the possibility of inadvertently going over the limit and losing their licence.

    So, it might well be that most people who drink then drive are actually at or under 0.05 anyway simply because they are being cautious given the drastic consequences for being caught driving over the limit.

    Perhaps some of the research that is being done will shed further light on this point.

  11. infused 11

    Great analysis there Zetetic, should be a blogger. Oh wait…

  12. Roger 12

    Its all for show, that’s what they do. They prattle on about how they are concerned about our alcohol consumption and drink driving and decide to look into the matter. On a regular basis they remind us how concerned they are in between their usual “9 long years and nothing” bullshit when opposition question them. The final step….”Well, we are really concerned about this issue, we have painstakingly decided after much deliberation that we are very concerned but we are keeping things the way they are for no obvious reasons”.

  13. prism 13

    The papers are full of the NACTs not taking the opportunity of even a small change say a sunset pilot law governing levels of alcohol, and might have added a few other things.

Links to post

Recent Comments

Recent Posts

  • Joint statement: Australia and Aotearoa New Zealand Foreign Minister Consultations
    Australian Minister for Foreign Affairs, Senator the Hon Penny Wong welcomed Aotearoa New Zealand's Minister for Foreign Affairs, Hon Nanaia Mahuta to Canberra today for biannual Australia – Aotearoa New Zealand Foreign Minister Consultations. The Ministers acknowledged the unique strength of the relationship between Australia and Aotearoa New Zealand, reaffirmed the shared ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    2 days ago
  • Funding boost for kaupapa Māori response to homelessness
    Associate Minister of Housing (Homelessness) Marama Davidson has announced a significant funding boost today for kaupapa Māori approaches that support whānau into housing. $24.7 million will be allocated to support the delivery of He Ara Hiki Mauri – a tangata whenua-led response to homelessness. “Homelessness is not inevitable. By working ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    2 days ago
  • Appointment of Judge of the High Court
    Auckland barrister David Gary Johnstone has been appointed a judge of the High Court, Attorney‑General David Parker announced today. Justice Johnstone graduated from the University of Auckland in 1991 with a BCom/LLB(Hons), and joined Bell Gully as a solicitor, practising in general commercial litigation. During 1993 and 1994 he studied at the ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    2 days ago
  • New mental health facility a step closer for Gisborne
    Health Minister Andrew Little was at Gisborne Hospital today to mark the next step of Te Tairāwhiti’s new Te Whare Awhiora mental health facility build. The Health Minister turned a sod to mark the start of groundworks at the site, in preparation for the placement of a mauri stone. “The ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    2 days ago
  • More rural broadband for regional communities
      New contracts will improve around 30,000 broadband connections in rural homes and communities Govt on track to see 99.8% of all New Zealanders receive access to improved broadband as a result of various connectivity programmes by the end of 2023, including those targeting rural regions Applications open for one-off ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    2 days ago
  • Tauranga region to benefit from new funding and financing tool
    Tauranga will be the first region to use a new Government tool to raise funding for much-needed infrastructure. A Special Purpose Vehicle (SPV) will be used to raise finance from private markets, which is then repaid via the levy on those who benefit from the infrastructure. The finance raised by ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    2 days ago
  • New committee established to drive better public health outcomes
    Some of the country’s most difficult health issues will be tackled by a newly established public health advisory committee, whose members have now been appointed. Associate Minister of Health Dr Ayesha Verrall says the new Public Health Advisory Committee will investigate and help address long-term health challenges facing Aotearoa. “We ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    2 days ago
  • Government and sector back innovative regional and wool projects
    $2.17 million for new food and fibre ventures in Taranaki $2.24m to develop high-value, sustainable cashmere industry $233,000 to prototype an acoustic, knitted textile product from strong wool for high-end commercial and residential interiors.  $530 million co-invested with business through the Sustainable Food and Fibre Futures fund  The Government closes ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    2 days ago
  • Statement on the death of Sir Murray Halberg
    New Zealand has lost one our true sporting icons with the passing of Sir Murray Halberg, Grant Robertson, Minister of Sport and Recreation said today. “Sir Murray was an extraordinary athlete. His gold medal in the 5000m at the Rome Olympic Games in 1960 has been immortalised as part of New ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    3 days ago
  • Ministerial talks in Canberra to progress trans-Tasman relationship
    The importance of cooperation in the Pacific to support the region’s recovery and resilience will be a focus of formal talks in Canberra tomorrow between the Foreign Minister Nanaia Mahuta and her Australian counterpart Penny Wong. Nanaia Mahuta will meet Senator Wong for the second formal Foreign Ministers’ Consultations following ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    3 days ago
  • Iwi and Government partnership delivers more rental homes for Pāpāmoa whānau
    Associate Minister of Housing (Māori Housing) Peeni Henare attended the official opening of 10 new rental homes built for working whānau of Ngā Pōtiki ā Tamapahore in Pāpāmoa today. “The Bay of Plenty region is one of many regions facing significant housing challenges and this Government is taking action by ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    3 days ago
  • Government investment to support growth of Māori businesses and jobs in the primary sector
    Total exports by Māori businesses have grown by 38% since 2017 to $872 million, with the majority from the food and fibre sector Launch of Rautaki mo te Taurikura action plan to support the continued growth of Māori food and fibre sector Support for Māori agribusiness innovation and workforce development ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    3 days ago
  • Government to address child abuse system failings
    The Government is adopting the majority of recommendations from an independent review into the actions of government agencies leading up to the death of 5-year-old Malachi Subecz, Minister for Children Kelvin Davis announced today. Following Malachi’s murder at the hands of his caregiver in 2021, Dame Karen Poutasi was appointed ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    3 days ago
  • More tools to help Police deal with fleeing drivers
    Increase the maximum driver licence disqualification period for a second offence of failing to stop or remain stopped, from 12 months to between 12 months and 24 months; Amend the Sentencing Act 2002 so that a vehicle can be forfeited on conviction for failing to stop. Offenders could have their ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    3 days ago
  • Govt books solid as global situation worsens
    The Crown accounts are in a solid position thanks to the Government’s careful financial management through a deteriorating global environment. For the four months to the end of October, the Operating Balance before Gains and Losses (OBEGAL) recorded a deficit of $2.8 billion, $274 million lower than forecast at Budget ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    3 days ago
  • Expanded Dental Grants Available From Today
    ·       Increased Special Needs Grants for dental treatment are available to eligible New Zealanders available from today ·       New criteria means more Dental Treatment covered ·       People can now receive more than one grant in a year (any 52-week period), up to the maximum of $1,000 ·       Recent increases to ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    3 days ago
  • Exports tracking towards new record high growth
    Primary industry exports to reach new record high of $55 billion in 2023 Forecasts $2.9 billion higher than in June 2022 Tracking strongly towards a 4 per cent increase in the year ending June 2023, despite global downturn New Zealand’s record food and fibre export revenue is projected to reach ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    3 days ago
  • New guidance for climate action at the local level
    The Government has released new guidance to support stronger links between New Zealand’s climate change goals, and local and regional planning. From today, it has become a legal requirement for local governments to consider the Government’s National Adaptation Plan and Emissions Reduction Plan when preparing or changing regional policy statements, ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    4 days ago
  • World-first bedside blood test good for people, good for health system
    A single blood test that can diagnose heart attacks in minutes instead of hours, saving the health system millions of dollars and getting patients treated faster, is being rolled out in New Zealand hospitals, says Health Minister Andrew Little. “This research, led by emergency doctors at Christchurch Hospital, is ground-breaking,” ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    4 days ago
  • New rongoā workstream announced alongside Therapeutic Products Bill
    A new workstream has been established within government to consider how rongoā might be protected in legislation. This comes as the Therapeutic Products Bill is introduced in Parliament today, Associate Minister for Health (Māori) Hon Peeni Henare said. “Under Te Tiriti o Waitangi, the Crown has an obligation to actively ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    4 days ago
  • Therapeutic Products Bill introduced
    Legislation to modernise the way medicines, medical devices and natural health products are regulated has been introduced in Parliament today. The Therapeutic Products Bill replaces the Medicines Act 1981 and Dietary Supplements Regulations 1985 with a comprehensive regulatory regime that is fit for the future. Health Minister Andrew Little said ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    4 days ago
  • New Climate Action Centre to support farmers maintain international edge
    New Climate Action Centre launched to support farmers reduce ag emissions through R&D investment 50:50 joint venture between Government and agribusiness to accelerate product development First Centre projects launched to get farmers the emissions reducing tools sooner Indicative funding commitment rising to $35 million per year by Joint venture partners, ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    4 days ago
  • Progress on firearms register and safety authority
    The launch today of a new firearms regulator to ensure the legitimate possession and use of firearms, and an online portal to apply for licences, marks a significant step towards modernisation and improvements in gun safety, Police Minister Chris Hipkins says.     Police is moving from being an administrator of ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    4 days ago
  • Government sets out next steps for on-farm sequestration strategy
    Government to work with primary sector on developing a sequestration strategy Government confirms today it will bring all scientifically robust forms of sequestration into the Emissions Trading Scheme, starting from 2025. This will be done at full value, rather than at a discount, so farmers can realise the true potential ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    4 days ago
  • Prime Minister concludes bilateral talks with Finnish PM
    Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern and Finnish Prime Minister Sanna Marin have concluded their first in person bilateral meeting in Auckland this morning. The Prime Ministers reiterated how their respective countries shared similar values and reflected on ways to further strengthen the relationship between New Zealand and Finland. “New Zealand and Finland ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    4 days ago
  • Plan to boost value & lift sustainability of NZ forestry sector
    Sector ITP to grow domestic processing and low-carbon wood products Grow the wood processing sector by 3.5 million cubic metres (25%) by 2030 Grow export earnings from value-added wood products by $600 million by 2040 Increase the use of domestic timber in construction by 25% by 2030 The Forestry and ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    4 days ago
  • Government supports more energy-saving projects to help more Kiwis save money
    17 community energy-saving education projects share $1.7 million Builds on success of previous Government projects that have supported more than 13,000 households and 440 energy education events with more than 80,000 LEDs distributed Helping households to reduce their energy bills and make their homes warmer and more energy-efficient, is the ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    4 days ago
  • Govt funds new 80-bed mental health unit for Canterbury
    The Government has granted final approval for a new 80-bed acute mental health facility at the Hillmorton Hospital campus, Health Minister Andrew Little says. “This is the second stage of Hillmorton’s major infrastructure redevelopment programme and is one of the largest investments ever made in New Zealand’s mental health infrastructure ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    4 days ago
  • Māori education momentum rolls on with new wharekura
    A new Year 1-13 wharekura will extend Māori Medium Education into Porirua West from 2027, Associate Education Minister Kelvin Davis announced today. “The establishment of Te Kākā Kura o Ngāti Toa Rangatira will over time provide a local option for up to 200 tamariki and rangatahi on the western side ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    4 days ago
  • Easing administrative burden on farmers through new integrated farm planning projects
    37 new investments to simplify planning and reduce paperwork for farmers and growers Targeted projects for Northland, Waikato, Bay of Plenty, Taranaki, Gisborne, Hawke’s Bay, Manawatū-Whanganui, West Coast, Canterbury, and Otago Resources, a digital wallet and template tools to help farmers develop and integrate their farm planning. The Government is ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    5 days ago
  • New Commerce Commission Chair appointed
    Commerce and Consumer Affairs Minister Dr David Clark has today announced the appointment of Dr John Small as the new Chair of the Commerce Commission. “Dr Small has made a valuable contribution to a broad range of the Commission’s work in his roles as associate member and member, which he ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    5 days ago
  • Realising housing dreams for the Kāpiti Coast
    Much needed public housing is on the way for the Kāpiti Coast thanks to the Government’s purchase of a large vacant plot of land at 59-69 Raumati Road in Raumati Beach. “This purchase will ultimately mean more families have a place to call home and demonstrates our commitment to resolving ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    5 days ago
  • Decarbonisation industry milestone reached in Timaru
    A pioneering boiler conversion project is now up and ready to go, using woodchips to make potato chips, while slashing emissions. “McCain’s newly converted coal boiler will reduce CO2 emissions at its Timaru factory by 95% and is an excellent example of the great climate gains we can achieve through ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    5 days ago
  • Fiftieth Anniversary of Diplomatic Relations With China
    Chinese Embassy Reception Te Papa, Wellington   Tēnā koutou katoa, Da jia hao Let me first acknowledge Ambassador Wang Xiaolong, thank you for the invitation this evening, it is a pleasure to be here. I would also like to acknowledge current and former Parliamentary colleagues, as well as members of ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    6 days ago
  • Govt keeps AM on the air in Northland
    Minister of Broadcasting and Media Willie Jackson and Minister for Emergency Management Kieran McAnulty today announced a $1.48 million package to fund the repair and replacement of three transmission masts in Northland to ensure AM radio can stay on air in the region. “This funding will secure the reinstatement of ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    6 days ago
  • Multi million dollar package to tackle retail crime and reoffending
    A multi million dollar package to tackle retail crime and reoffending is the most significant crime prevention financial package in recent memory  New fog cannon subsidy scheme set up. Government to provide $4000 for all small shops and dairies in New Zealand who want a fog cannon installed, with shops ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    6 days ago
  • Funding boost to support NZ’s game development industry
    New Zealand’s game developers will receive an immediate funding boost to help support the growth of local studios beyond the current Dunedin centre. “New Zealand’s game development sector has been rapidly growing. The latest data from the New Zealand Game Developers Association shows the total revenue for the industry is ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    6 days ago
  • A new strategy for Pacific housing
    New and existing housing initiatives are being brought together to improve home ownership for Pacific people said Minister for Pacific Peoples, Aupito William Sio. Fale mo Aiga: Pacific Housing Strategy and Action Plan 2030, launched today, is the Government’s targeted response to the housing challenges faced by Pacific Aotearoa. Minister ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    6 days ago
  • Government takes action on pay parity for healthcare workers
    Thousands of frontline community health workers – including nurses in aged-care facilities - are in for a pay rise as the Labour Government takes action on pay parity in the health sector. “I’m pleased to announce that Cabinet has agreed to on-going funding of $200 million a year so that ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    6 days ago
  • World’s first algae-based local anaesthetic another step closer to reality
    A partnership between the Government and the Cawthron Institute has delivered a breakthrough in the production of a potent microalgal ingredient for the world’s first algae-based pain medication, Agriculture Minister Damien O’Connor announced.  “Scientists at Cawthron Institute in Nelson have developed a reliable and commercially scalable method for producing neosaxitoxin, ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 week ago