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Hosking hasn’t aged well

Written By: - Date published: 9:36 am, June 10th, 2017 - 141 comments
Categories: the praiseworthy and the pitiful, uk politics - Tags: ,

Life, as they say, comes at you fast these days – Mike Hosking: It’s May all the way, despite headlines

The worst case scenario is they don’t have a working majority, which won’t happen, but even if it did, let us not forget that prior to the last election the country was run, and reasonably successfully, by the country’s first coalition.

The saving grace for May of course is the Labour party.

Corbyn is one of the most remarkably unelectable people ever to present himself to the electorate.

Disliked by most of his own MPs, loathed by the public, and only saved by the unionists who have flooded the party membership to get him the leadership.

His policies are from another age, and so extreme that when push comes to shove, when people actually have to decide who runs their country, short of the small collective of Marxists who have never quite joined the real world, Brits know full well there is only one choice.

Dickhead.

141 comments on “Hosking hasn’t aged well ”

  1. Halfcrown 1

    Dickhead is an understatement

  2. dukeofurl 2

    The date on that piece is 5.00am Thursday. Thats about a day before the election results our time.
    I heard part of his ramblings on the evening TV show- The Gist was –
    “We didnt see that coming”

    • ankerawshark 2.1

      Dukofurl,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,my god maybe they do believe the crap and spin that comes out of their own mouth!

  3. mauī 3

    Yep this is the quality of commentary from someone who is allowed the most airtime in nz media. Can’t wait till he’s kicked off air.

    • tc 3.1

      Not happening, mikey will always provide required services.

      Hes some ways from late night talkback but you can see it coming someday.

  4. Foreign waka 4

    This man is an irritating boil and the side kick at 7am another of these air heads goody two shoes with very little sense of self. She must be scared stiff when the boil gives one of his rich man rants another go and she is looking at him playfully amused not really knowing how to combat this as it might put her job in peril.
    I cannot stand this roman theater and switch channel as soon as they come on the screen.

  5. Louis 5

    Who is this dickhead again?

  6. Draco T Bastard 6

    He’s probably one of the people panicking as socialism gains steam over the failed capitalist dream of turning the majority of people into serfs for a few rich.

  7. greywarshark 7

    Your heading – ‘Hosking hasn’t aged well’. Think again, he hasn’t aged at all. He talks like a spoiled son of wealthy parents whose principles are up for sale ‘If you don’t like these, I have others.”

    He’s grown upwards without being a grown-up, and at heart is like those young men from some Christchurch private school who were playing around the airport baggage carousel when on a school sports trip. So protected and juvenile still that the parents cosseted them and threatened the school with sanctions if they were disciplined.

    Hosking is a boy being naughty and rude, who defies criticism, and does what he likes because he can. Which is the mantra of the nouveau riche in this country, he’s their boy.

    • Draco T Bastard 7.1

      Hosking is a boy being naughty and rude, who defies criticism, and does what he likes because he can. Which is the mantra of the nouveau riche in this country, he’s their boy.

      QFT

      • Blade 7.1.1

        I like the guy. More often than not he is right. Unlike Labour over the last three elections. So he got it wrong this time…he forgot to factor in the socialist education system that has turned out a generation of non thinking idiots, whom one commentator rightly pointed out will be the face of a socialist future.

        God help us.

        • Draco T Bastard 7.1.1.1

          More often than not he is wrong. just like RWNJs everywhere.

          And they get really upset when their delusional beliefs are proved wrong every time.

          Our education system actually teaches critical thinking – something that you’re obviously lacking in.

          • Blade 7.1.1.1.1

            ‘Our education system actually teaches critical thinking – something that you’re obviously lacking in.’

            I thought you were a serious commentator!

            http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/educationnews/9420771/Top-universities-forced-to-introduce-remedial-maths-classes.html

            The same applies to New Zealand. What do we and the English have in common? A socialist education system.

            Get out more. Read the newspaper and stop living on this blog

            • Draco T Bastard 7.1.1.1.1.1

              The same applies to New Zealand.

              [citation needed]

              A socialist education system.

              The education system was introduced at the behest of the capitalists because they needed educated workers but didn’t want to pay for it themselves. This is also the reason why we have fees for tertiary education.

              Of course, the capitalists still didn’t want to pay for it and so they organised massive tax cuts for themselves. These tax cuts have caused a decrease in necessary resources going to services like health and education which has resulted in their inevitable decline.

              The problems you imply are a result of capitalism and greed – the things that you worship – and not socialism.

              • Halfcrown

                +100%

              • Blade

                http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/education/90403943/students-gaining-university-entrance-without-necessary-literacy-numeracy-skills.

                Not the link I wanted. I can’t be bothered finding it. It stated 20%.

                ”The problems you imply are a result of capitalism and greed – the things that you worship – and not socialism.”

                Crap. Marxists run the education system. Successive governments haven’t had the guts to take on teacher unions and tell them to either teach without leftwing bias, or faake off!

                Here’s their god and template.

                https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paulo_Freire.

                Why do you think National had to introduce National Standards?

                Because idiotic indoctrinated teachers would tell parents worried about little Johnnies lack of progress that ” he will pick it up on the way.” Johnny didn’t. But you could be assured Johnny would know about climate change, inclusiveness and colonisation.

                • Stuart Munro

                  If you think NZ schools run on Freirean lines you’re as sadly misinformed as anyone stupid enough to get their news from Mike Hosking might be expected to be.

                  National had to introduce their own standards because they couldn’t meet real ones.

                  The teachers aren’t Marxists – but they are professionals, which means your uniformed opinion will not change their minds.

                  • Blade

                    Lots of rhetoric and abuse, nothing else. Povide some links like I have. If not, go back to your alternate universe.

                    • Stuart Munro

                      I have many NZ teaching colleagues. You cannot simply link to a professional community like this as if it were some 3rd rate news site. But you come on here full of piss and vinegar trying to overthrow these well known truths, and complain about abuse?

                      You want to discuss education? Take a course or two. When you’ve got an MA we’ll listen. Don’t expect applause – your take thus far is not original.

                    • Blade

                      Calm down. Lets look at things rationally.

                      ‘I have many NZ teaching colleagues. You cannot simply link to a professional community like this as if it were some 3rd rate news site.”

                      Yeah, your problem there is many of my family are in education. Fear not, most, but not all, believe we have a great education system.

                      Do you know the first thing a trainee teacher learns? How to to teach? Hell, no. Try The Treaty of Waitangi. Now go back and find parallels with Freires theories. Oh, and phonics for learning to read has only just been reinstated in a limited manner.

                      Now, if education is so flash why do universities have remedial classes? They didn’t need them before the Marxists gained control.

                      Of course Universities aren’t centres of academic excellence and free speech any more. That’s why we have bullshite courses for people who shouldn’t be at university. And as the European Club found out, we know who rules the campus…I’ll give you a clue if you want.

                      Speak to me Stuart !!!!!!! You write in general terms. Like a man who doesn’t know what he is talking about. That’s because you don’t.

                    • One Anonymous Bloke

                      😆

                      Hell no…”

                      Marxists…

                      …bullshite…

                      …European Club…

                      [sob sob, boo hoo]

                      “Calm down”, Blade. Lots of blind assertions of the litany in your comment. Very short on evidence.

                      Sorry mate, “I seen it! My cousin’s a teacher!!! !!! !!!!!!!” doesn’t mean squat. You’re going to have to do better than anecdata.

                    • Hilarious, Blade, high humour, despite the low brow. You say:

                      “Do you know the first thing a trainee teacher learns? How to to teach? Hell, no!”

                      Why, oh why, should the first thing a trainee teacher learns, be “how to teach”? I can detect nothing in your heated declaration that even resembles logic, but please enlighten me – as someone who attended a training college then taught across the education spectrum for decades, I’m really fascinate by your views.

                    • Blade

                      No, OAB. You have to do better.

                      Hell no…”

                      Marxists…

                      …bullshite…

                      …European Club…

                      [sob sob, boo hoo]

                      Ok, so you are a product of our education system- I get it.
                      But you really need to write something that doesn’t belong in a Marvel Comic.

                    • Blade

                      ”Why, oh why, should the first thing a trainee teacher learns, be “how to teach?”

                      Ummm, maybe because they are at teachers college?

                    • One Anonymous Bloke

                      I was quoting you, sweety.

                      I note that your comment makes (rather amusing) assumptions about me, whereas my comment is about your argument: you’ll have to do better than anecdata.

                      I’ll be here to watch you fail.

                    • Blade

                      Robert, you state the following.

                      ‘As someone who attended a training college then taught across the education spectrum for decades, I’m really fascinate by your views.

                      Can you please give me the years you were at training college? I take it that would be Ardmore…and the years you spent teaching?

                    • ”Why, oh why, should the first thing a trainee teacher learns, be “how to teach?”

                      Ummm, maybe because they are at teachers college?”

                      You’re sh*tting me, right? No one could offer that answer in seriousness. Perhaps I’ll try this approach: The first thing I learned at Teacher’s College was the order of things I needed to achieve in the time I was there. I learned which courses would best build the skills I would need when I went solo in the teaching world, etc. etc. I’m certain “how to teach” was introduced later, once those necessary learnings were had. Have I made sense to you? I know I failed to penetrate the first time around, but I learned at Teacher’s College that there are many styles of learning and it can take a while to work out how exactly a particular person takes information on board. Hope I’m getting through now.

                    • Have to correct my own comment – that’s “fascinated”, not “fascinate” – just can’t help myself. I’m not certain why you need to know where and when I was teacher-trained, Blade. In any case, Dunedin, when I was a young man. Your views on education strike me as being…simplistic and misguided, but I may be underestimating you and your expressed views.

                    • Blade

                      You’re sh*tting me, right? Only slightly,Robert. I was wondering if you would perceive the elephant in the room. You didn’t.

                      Everything in your post is, and made, perfect sense.

                      But into this orderly introduction to teaching.. why should the Treaty be taught first? And what mechanism made this not only possible, but manditory?

                    • One Anonymous Bloke

                      [citations needed]

                      *opens popcorn*

                    • Blade

                      ” I’m not certain why you need to know where and when I was teacher-trained, Blade.”

                      The reason I ask is simple. When I know the years you taught, I can then get a time -line to better understand what you know, or may not be aware of during the intervening years since you left( or retired) from the profession.

                    • One Anonymous Bloke

                      *Blade comes out swinging, using the blind assumption that Robert hasn’t kept up-to-date with pedagogy since Marxists took over leaving teachers’ college.*

                    • Stuart Munro

                      Having gone to the trouble of actually doing an MA, Blade, so as not to be at the mercy, in my professional work, of arrogant uninformed numpties like yourself, I know a little about the matter.

                      I have to say that you are stereotypical of the Gnat waster class, in wanting to dictate to more educated and experienced people how they shall do their jobs.

                      Perhaps I should explain a little about Freire, since you are demonstrably too lazy to read him. Freire thinks that the effect of education should be significant, that it should change the outcomes for students. Rather than dead end courses leading to dead end jobs, Freire thinks education can be judged by whether it enables students to materially improve their circumstances. Although he was a socialist, his aspiration for his students’ success was completely compatible with the notion of upward mobility that is described in some places as ‘the American dream’ and is one of the cherished beliefs of capitalists.

                      I share your concerns in fact about the quality of our academic institutions, though I doubt you have any coherent solutions, given that your critique comes secondhand and doesn’t get to the root of the problems.

                    • One Anonymous Bloke

                      @Stuart Munro

                      one of the cherished beliefs of capitalists

                      Paying lip service and belief are not the same thing, especially when reality belies the rhetoric: right wing policy has the effect of curtailing social mobility.

                • Draco T Bastard

                  Marxists run the education system.

                  That’s just your belief and nothing more.

                  Thing is, it really has been the capitalists running down the education system for decades.

                  Successive governments haven’t had the guts to take on teacher unions and tell them to either teach without leftwing bias, or faake off!

                  The teachers teach reality and critical thinking. The RWNJs get pissed off with this because reality never conforms with their beliefs.

                  They haven’t got the guts to admit that they’re fucken wrong. Haven’t got the guts to take personal responsibility and try to blame reality for them being wrong instead.

                  Bunch of pathetic losers the lot of them.

                  Why do you think National had to introduce National Standards?

                  Because they had to dumb down the system because educated people were waking up to the fact that capitalism doesn’t work.

                  Because idiotic indoctrinated teachers would tell parents worried about little Johnnies lack of progress that ” he will pick it up on the way.” Johnny didn’t.

                  And there you go round inventing BS again. Just another delusional belief with no bearing in fact.

                  Hell, National has been saying for donkey’s years that everyone is different but when that comes through in education, the fact that people do learn at different rates, they come up with the failed National Standards trying to force people all into the same failed mould following other failed testing regimes even with the evidence in their face that such regimes don’t work.

                  • Blade

                    You have lost the plot. You wanted citations.You got them bud.

                    Those citation cover the basis of my other points. But in your bluster, nasty and clueless response, that fact eluded you.

                    Another typical nasty Leftie the voters love to despise.

                    • Draco T Bastard

                      Those citation cover the basis of my other points.

                      No it doesn’t because all you other points were pure delusional belief and nothing more.

                • “But into this orderly introduction to teaching.. why should the Treaty be taught first?”
                  In my experience, Blade, it wasn’t, but if it is now I don’t see why it shouldn’t be, after all, there are years of training ahead of new teacher trainees and a plethora of things for them to learn. An understanding of their obligations relating to the Treaty of Waitangi will be just one of the challenging learnings they’ll have to undertake. Can’t see any reason to leave it to the end, as you might be suggesting. You may even be angling toward saying that you believe such a study should be lefty out altogether, I can’t know for sure; are you? I’m bearing in mind that this post was about the awfulness of that radio jock. We seem to have tired of discussing him, understandably.

        • Robert Guyton 7.1.1.2

          Speak for yourself, Blade; that is, God help Blade. The rest of us aren’t so daft as to be able to say, “I like the guy. More often than not he is right.”
          So, God help you.

          • Blade 7.1.1.2.1

            ”The rest of us aren’t so daft as to be able to say, “I like the guy”

            Quite true. Gutless in my opinion. You must tow the accepted tribal line.

            I liked Johnny Campbell. His liberal views annoyed the hell out of me. But he had a lot of good points about him. His continued support of the Christchurch earthquake victims was stellar work.

            If any Righty told me to pull my head in, they would receive a serve too.

            • JanM 7.1.1.2.1.1

              His name is John Campbell !!

              • Blade

                It was an endearment. But I forgot no one one does ”soft”
                around here. Ditto non scripted humour without a nasty edge.

            • ankerawshark 7.1.1.2.1.2

              Blade do you remember his former female co-presenter (sorry I forgot her name) coming out saying what a bully Mike Hosking was when she worked with him on the Breakfast show. It’s not just his opinions I despise (and why do we have to hear his opinions, what so special about him? what are his credentials????) he’s also a p….k to others.

              So go ahead feel free to like him

              • Blade

                I just like his on screen persona. I can’t comment on him personally because I don’t know him. But going by what some have said on this blog he is not a nice person. I will take their word for it. There’s nothing special about him, and yes he is opinionated which is why they really should get rid of his side kick.

                Truthfully , I watch him once or twice a week depending on the topic. It’s lightweight entertainment. Nothing more.

            • Wensleydale 7.1.1.2.1.3

              To be fair, John Campbell’s rather easy to like. Unlike Michael ‘Tory Boy’ Hosking, he doesn’t ooze arrogance and superiority from every pore. Hosking has the most punchable face on television.

        • Don't worry. Be happy 7.1.1.3

          Hosking is a “gob-for-rent”. (As a Guardian writer described a similar twat.)

        • Bob 7.1.1.4

          Move to Invercargill Blade, you’ll feel right at home down there, with all the Bible bill supporters

          • Robert Guyton 7.1.1.4.1

            No thanks, Bob, we’re full. In any case, Blade’s retired to lick his wound. We won’t hear from him till he comes up with another alias; I’m guessing, “Ribeye” or “Stewing”, though “Rump” would suit better.

    • He’s the very picture of Dorian Gray!

      • greywarshark 7.2.1

        Hey that was very funny Robert G. It has just penetrated my brain. And you are right too, so 2 out of 2. Where will it end.

    • Mrs Brillo 7.3

      Anyone know anything about his education? His Wiki entry ignores the topic completely, but I have vague memories of reading that he was an early school leaver and never went to a university. Is this accurate, or am I judging by results?

      • “or am I judging by results?”

        Elegant slight, Mrs Brillo, the best kind.

      • Blade 7.3.2

        You are judging by results, but have missed why you shouldn’t have mentioned his lack of eduction excellence.

        • Mrs Brillo 7.3.2.1

          I’d happily respond to you, Blade, but am unsure what you are asking. Could you rephrase?

          • Draco T Bastard 7.3.2.1.1

            Blade, being a cult follower of Hosking, is trying to imply that Hosking is super-well educated despite not having an education but, as you point out, the results speak for themselves.

            • Blade 7.3.2.1.1.1

              The results sure do speak. No education. But hardwork and keeping your head up up when life is kicking you in the guts, can do wonders for your life. Pssst, pass it on to those Lefties who make employment out of whining.

              • Mrs Brillo

                There are a lot of tradespeople, care home workers, supermarket shelf stackers, lawnmowing contractors, and their ilk in my area who manage to keep their heads above water by very, very hard work. Which their families and neighbours certainly appreciate.
                But the majority of them know their limitations, and do not attempt to wish their political opinions on the rest of us. I wish Hosking was more self-aware of his own limitations and didn’t try to lay down the law on topics he has no more than a glancing acquaintance with. All we get from him is unpolished, knee-jerk bigotry.
                I prefer to listen to people who know their topics, so I give him the swerve.

              • One Anonymous Bloke

                Multiple citations needed.

                In particular, Blade provides a good illustration of attribution error. Hardly surprising as attribution error explains 99% of right wing dogma.

                • Draco T Bastard

                  • One Anonymous Bloke

                    Also summarised by the saying “A self-made man who worships his creator”.

                  • greywarshark

                    Very goodstuff. Watched some more and found someone talking and explaining questions of Social Psychology. And soon I had a question, why did he talk so fast?

                    If it is an indication of stress, then he passed his stress on to me because of the speed. Question, why does someone experienced and knowledgeable not know that?

                    • One Anonymous Bloke

                      Because ignorance is a condition we all share: no-one can know everything.

                  • Blade

                    ”The fundamental attribution error is our tendency to explain someone’s behaviour based on internal factors, such as personality or disposition, and to underestimate the influence that external factors, such as situational influences, have on another person’s behaviour.”

                    Yep, when you have received a kicking, you next best bet is bullshit and bluster.

                    Allow me to join the party:

                    ”Maslow’s Hierarchy of Needs. Maslow’s hierarchy of needs is a motivational theory in psychology comprising a five tier model of human needs, often depicted as hierarchical levels within a pyramid. … This five stage model can be divided into deficiency needs and growth needs.”

                    Deficiency needs!!? That would explain One Anonymous Bloke and Draco..deficient in anything resembling a balanced outlook on life. Naturally their posts follow in an unbalance manner.

                    • One Anonymous Bloke

                      That’s ok, the very existence of Maslow’s hierarchy of ideas has been called into serious question since at least 1976.

                      Whereas attribution bias, the just world fallacy and so on are well documented phenomena, for which there are competing explanations.

                      As for my personal bias, well duh! Everyone has one. Yours is pretty obvious too, Blade, not least because it’s part of a well-thumbed book of right wing dogma, recited by a long line of wingnuts.

                      I note your attempt to change the subject, which is attribution bias.

                      when you have received a kicking, you next best bet is bullshit and bluster

                      No, I can see that you haven’t got the point, which is that successful people are likely to overstate the influence of their personal characteristics on their position, and likewise, to make false assumptions about those less fortunate than themselves.

                      This is what the line of psittacine wingnuts mean when you talk about “personal responsibility”. It’s based on long debunked fallacies, and watching you succumb to it gets tiresome after the hundredth time.

                      This is no mere neurological curiosity. Lackwit ministers make government policy based on this drivel.

                      Sharpen up.

              • One Anonymous Bloke

                PS: Make employment out of whining.

                Look, I appreciate you feel the need to recite the right wing litany, but seriously, Jordan Williams fits your description, unpaid* activists don’t.

                This what I keep trying to tell you: everything you believe is demonstrably wrong.

                *for the time they spend on activism, that is.

                • Halfcrown

                  “Because ignorance is a condition we all share: no-one can know everything.”

                  Nice one OAB

                  That’s why I like this snippet of wisdom but I can’t remember who said it or where I read it so unfortunately, I cannot give credit to whom wrote it

                  “Knowing what you don’t is true wisdom”

                  • One Anonymous Bloke

                    An elegant aphorism indeed.

                    I can’t remember where I read it first: here or at Real Climate.

                    cf: the poetry of Donald Rumsfeld 🙂

              • Stuart Munro

                If hard work made people wealthy, third world women would be the uber rich. In the case of right wingers, fraud seems to play an important role.

    • JanM 7.4

      He hasn’t grown up that much – as I discovered standing next to him in a shop – I’m often teased as being a short woman, and he’s the same height as me – he he!

  8. Steve Alfreds 8

    Don’t worry, the ratings of his radio show have started declining and I’ve heard the show’s major sponsor, BNZ, is getting nervous. People are being turned off in droves by his big mouth and over inflated ego, much like Paul Henry.

    • greywarshark 8.1

      Ah the cheeky monkey, some people in the news will go a long way to give the witless a laugh. When people lack wit, it takes very broad, insensitive humour to amuse them, mostly laughing at others who are having difficulties or have some problem that is a disability to them. Schadenfreude I think in the main.

  9. mosa 9

    I was alone in a lift with Hosking at the Radio Network once.

    I was surprised at how short he is and hunched over.

    It was a brief observation but you can’t help but notice the scowl on his face and the negative vibe he gives off.

    I wish i had taken the stairs.

    Paul Holmes was similar in stature and i walked past him one day outside the Radio Network front entrance he was puffing away on his cigarette and i said Paul looks like those things have stunted your growth and he roared with laughter at least he had a sense of humor.

  10. Philj 10

    Hosking epitomizes, nearly, all that is wrong with NZ MSM. If only he was a joke I might laugh. You don’t have to smell excrement to know it stinks.

    • You need to change the name you attach to comments. 10.1

      He is a jumped up little twerp, the other word i was thinking was bigot.

    • garibaldi 10.2

      Same applies to Blake. One of the ignorant sheeple.

    • Blade 10.3

      22,OOO people signed a petition to get rid of Hoskings from TVNZ. I bet 90% of those were nasty Lefties. Conversely, no petition was ever promoted to get rid of John Campbell, even though he pissed Righty’s off big time.

      Says a lot about peoples mindset.

      • One Anonymous Bloke 10.3.1

        I made right wing litany bingo!

        • Blade 10.3.1.1

          Hide not your light under a bushel least one not see your greatness..while you eat popcorn waiting for citations.

      • mary_a 10.3.2

        @ Blade (10.3) …

        Yes, well I was one of those “nasty” lefties who signed a petition to get rid of broadcasting contamination, in the form of Mike Hosking!

        Re the removal of John Campbell from MediaWorks TV3 … that’s correct, no righty petition to have him removed. That was done by John Key, through putting his buddies Mark Weldon and Julie Christie in the driving seat. They gave Campbell the push on the instruction of “… get rid of that left wing bastard!”

      • tom 10.3.3

        “22,OOO people signed a petition to get rid of Hoskings from TVNZ. I bet 90% of those were nasty Lefties. Conversely, no petition was ever promoted to get rid of John Campbell, even though he pissed Righty’s off big time.

        Says a lot about peoples mindset.”

        Right wingers own the corporations lefties work for and censor them daily or fire them if they step out of line like your example John Campbell. I have experienced this personally, and can highlight manyt other examples, Corbyn as one Bernie Sanders alos we could go on all day here.
        The firing of campbell and the absolute lack of left wing voices in any MSM ‘says a lot about your peoples mindset’.
        Lefties just ask for balance, which is required for a democracy to function, righties shut down debate and spin everything, they are dishonest and not forthright, and can be proven with out a shadow of a doubt if you were to read outside your bias.

        I actually feel sorry for you Blade, although i shouldn’t as is your own doing, you need to read widely from all sides of the debate and then come to conclusions, which you obviously have never done, is quite sad, but you do live in a very censored environment inundated your entire life with a neoliberal doctrine, thru the right wing Corporate controlled media and PR spin propaganada.
        But you do have a choice i suggest you exercise it, and then maybe one day you can carry a actual debate on facts not heresay, and with an actual understanding of that which you oppose. Your current arguments show you have never even tried to attain this. Sad for our society as you are an example of the current zeitgeist of our times

  11. Ed 11

    His employment by TVNZ is proof of the bias run by the media.

    • rod 11.1

      @ Ed Exactly, no more to be said.

    • Draco T Bastard 11.2

      +1

      That and Henry being re-employed by TV3 after they canned him because of the pressure from the community.

      Shows the contempt that the Big Wigs have for everyone else.

  12. Bill3 12

    He is a jumped up little twerp, his bigotory remarks are becoming annoying and he should be replaced on tv and radio.

    [Hi Bill, we have a regular here called Bill, can you please choose another name, ta – weka]

  13. ianmac 13

    We sometimes watch TV1 at Seven. He cuts across the words of his co-host so that his “greater wisdom” can spew over her interesting viewpoints. And he is getting worse. Early onset perhaps?

    • Ed 13.1

      I never watch him.

    • Wensleydale 13.2

      I don’t know how Toni Street puts up with him. When he’s on with Carolyn Robinson occasionally, and he’s crapping on witlessly about something he knows very little about, if you look very closely, you can see her jaw clenching and unclenching, and the little vein in her temple throbbing with barely suppressed loathing. I suspect there’s a little voice in her head repeating endlessly, “Must not roll eyes. Must not roll eyes. The nation is watching. Must retain professional decorum.”

      And I must confess, I do enjoy watching Simon Dallow poke ‘Hosko’ with a pointy stick for shits and giggles.

    • mary_a 13.3

      @ Ianmac (13) … co host Toni Street is as disgraceful as Hosking is, but for a different reason. She sits there smiling at him ever so sweetly, as he farts out his foul hot air. This makes her look inferior, which I’d say is his intention, so he might make himself come across as being superior! She should be ashamed of herself, putting herself in that position. Not a good look for female presenters in general!

      I’d like to see female presenters refuse to work with the arrogant twit!

      BTW I don’t watch the programme. I have made my opinion entirely on the nauseating promos which infiltrate the news on TV 1.

  14. David Mac 14

    Hosking is a talking head expressing an opinion, hopefully we all agree with his right to do so.

    He is not the problem, people buying into his agenda is the issue. Solutions don’t lie in razzing Hosking. Knocking the chocks out from under his opinion with something better is the way to hobble Hosking et al. Perhaps even shift their allegiance a bit.

    Ever since Kupe landed, Kiwis are in the habit of being socially democratic. It suits us.

    I’m not sure about this ‘burn all the capitalists’ mind-set. I think the first capitalists arose when a caveman discovered that his time was better spent making spearheads than hunting with the boys. The guy that got a mortgage against his house so he could buy and slave in a Jim’s Mowing franchise….is he evil? Really?

    Capitalism isn’t the culprit, it’s how we’re doing it that sucks.

    • Draco T Bastard 14.1

      Hosking is a talking head expressing an opinion, hopefully we all agree with his right to do so.

      He has a right to that opinion and to express it to his hearts desire – anywhere except on national TV/radio. At that point we have not only a right but a duty to tell him fuck off with his ignorance and bigotry.

      We, of course, should also be telling him that if we hear it no matter where it is.

      He is not the problem, people buying into his agenda is the issue.

      Which can be at least partially helped by getting him off air.

      Capitalism isn’t what’s wrong

      Yes it is as all the evidence (Piketty et al, Safa Motesharrei et al) shows.

      All the research that’s coming out lately is showing, quite clearly, that capitalism is the problem.

      • David Mac 14.1.1

        Yes, I become more familiar with the Draco Party manifesto by the day. I like you but I fear nobody wants to live in your perfect world bro.

        I’ve run small businesses my whole life, every time I’ve had a knock on the door and someone has said “Hi, I’m from the government and I’m here to help.” They weren’t helpful at all, quite the reverse.

        You’d have me hand over the control of my business to the Draco Party policy-makers. Pass! My head office would be located in Noosa before dawn-break.

        That’s the problem with the ‘Hammer the rich’ plan, history shows us how mobile $ are. The French tried it recently, the tax take went down. There are better ways.

        • greywarshark 14.1.1.1

          David Mac
          Keep telling us, one of your ways might really be what we are looking for in our tax tangle.

        • Draco T Bastard 14.1.1.2

          You’d have me hand over the control of my business to the Draco Party policy-makers.

          Nope.

          I’ve said, repeatedly, that businesses should be cooperatives run by the people who work there and owned by nobody.

          That’s the problem with the ‘Hammer the rich’ plan, history shows us how mobile $ are.

          And reality tells us that money is nothing. That the only thing that counts is the resources that a nation has within it’s borders. As long as it has those resources it always has enough money to utilise them.

          Which tells us the problem – the control of those resources by the rich. And that is what i mean when I say that we cannot afford the rich. We cannot afford to lose the control of our resources to a few greedy schmucks.

          When we do that we end up with ever increasing poverty – just like we’re getting now.

          • David Mac 14.1.1.2.1

            Ahhh ok, So the Draco reps don’t step in, my employees have equal shares in the risk I took. If it fails do they share in the debt or does their ownership only kick in if there is a profit? Failure = my fault, my loss. Success = everybody’s fault, we all share.

            “Reality tells us money is nothing.” That hasn’t been my experience Draco. When I’ve got none I get locked out of my home and my car gets towed away. Seemed pretty real.

            Draco are you sure that your vision for a perfect New Zealand is where most of us want to live?

            • Draco T Bastard 14.1.1.2.1.1

              If it fails do they share in the debt or does their ownership only kick in if there is a profit?

              If it fails the business goes bankrupt. How that affects each of the workers is up to the workers.

              Why would you be asking me? The only time I’d have a say is if I was a worker in the business.

              When I’ve got none I get locked out of my home and my car gets towed away. Seemed pretty real.

              What’s that got to do with money being nothing?

              Draco are you sure that your vision for a perfect New Zealand is where most of us want to live?

              We can only ever live in reality…

              …and capitalism is delusional.

              • David Mac

                Up to my workers? They’d be fools not to say “If it fails Dave, it’s your problem, if it’s a success we share in the profit.” Can you see how that’s not very balanced Draco?

                I’m asking you because it’s your blueprint of how we should be doing things.

                When I push my groceries out of New World without paying there are repercussions. They are not delusions Draco. They are criminal charges that can lead to spending time locked in a cage.

                Yes we must live in reality. We can alter how we make the most of our potential but right now the person that treats our need for an income as a delusion is the one suffering from delusions.

                • Draco T Bastard

                  They’d be fools not to say “If it fails Dave, it’s your problem, if it’s a success we share in the profit.”

                  And thus you walk away.

                  Amazingly enough, it doesn’t seem to happen like that in the very successful cooperatives the world over. Perhaps you need to trust a bit more.

                  When I push my groceries out of New World without paying there are repercussions. They are not delusions Draco. They are criminal charges that can lead to spending time locked in a cage.

                  But that hasn’t got anything to do with money being nothing.

                  We can alter how we make the most of our potential but right now the person that treats our need for an income as a delusion is the one suffering from delusions.

                  The only people who seem to think that people don’t need an income are the RWNJs who want to get rid of the minimum wage and to lower/cut off benefits.

                  But, of course, I wasn’t talking about people but about the government and the fact that they’re the ones who get to create the nations money (although they’ve presently abrogated that responsibility to the private banks). As such they can always create new money to utilise the nations resources in whatever way the nation needs them to be used.

                  Money is nothing and therefore there can be unlimited amounts of it. The only real question is how much of the nations resources that that money can buy.

                  • David Mac

                    The first capitalists, the cavemen, the chap that stayed home and utilised his skill for spearhead making ended up with 1.5 times his share of meat after trading spearheads for meat with those that went hunting.

                    Is that wrong? With one less hunter and someone turning out spearheads the whole tribe could be better off. The hunters choose whether to make their own spearheads or deal with Spears-R-Us.

                    We are naturally capitalists, no matter if that capital is cash or spears. When they’re banned black markets rise and flourish.

                    I agree with you about coops. I think they work because all players have skin in the game. Gift General Motors to the guys on the line and this is not the case. The guys on the GM line should be in a position to buy a controlling share in the company if they so wished. This is where the neoliberal model fails us. Apple has the market valuation it does because their labour force are flat out buying an apple let alone shares in Apple.

                    • Draco T Bastard

                      The first capitalists, the cavemen, the chap that stayed home and utilised his skill for spearhead making ended up with 1.5 times his share of meat after trading spearheads for meat with those that went hunting.

                      Is that wrong?

                      Yes, it is. There is no indication that such ever happened (Debt: The First 5000 years by David Graeber).

                      We are naturally capitalists, no matter if that capital is cash or spears.

                      No we’re not. Indications are that we’re naturally altruistic and social with a minority of people, who are sociopathic, being greedy.

                      When they’re banned black markets rise and flourish.

                      No they don’t. Every society that didn’t have a market in the first place never spontaneously created a black market.

                      In fact, markets themselves seem to be solely the result of war (Debt: The First 5000 Years by David Graeber) which probably explains why it’s so similar to war and seems to result so often in it.

                      I think they work because all players have skin in the game. Gift General Motors to the guys on the line and this is not the case.

                      Someone working at a business has skin in the game. IMO, they take far more risks than the shareholders. Losing their job could result in loss of everything whereas the shareholder loses just a bit of money.

                      Reality is that the shareholders have no skin in the game while getting infinitely more return than the workers.

                      Apple has the market valuation it does because their labour force are flat out buying an apple let alone shares in Apple.

                      Nope. Apple has the valuation it does because they’re cheating the taxpayers and thus able to return higher than normal profits (The Entrepreneurial State by Mariana Mazzucato and various news items around the world).

                • greywarshark

                  But David Mac aren’t you being a tiny bit simplistic in your examples.

                  There is a business. It employs people and has to watch that they follow methods and do the job set for them. It goes downhill and loses money. Do they deserve to get their wages if they have worked in good faith and done a good job. Yes. It was not their idea that was a loser, it was that of whoever runs the business.

                  If the business has successful year, good idea, done well, workers helped, then they reasonably would feel, okay can we have some extra beyond our wages now it has been so successful.

                  “Can’t you see how that’s quite a reasonable thought and request, David Mac?”

                  The workers have made the good that is selling successfully, or been instrumental in it being a success. Not the shareholders. Those at the coalface can reasonably hope for a bonus that honours the good work they have put in.

                  From an objective point of view, it renews the resource, rejuvenates the machinery. It would be a good business move, not too much extra reward, but enough to be satisfying and encouraging.

                  • David Mac

                    I’m all for bonuses and production incentives Grey. Sharing in the fruits of our labour. I have and do. Draco is suggesting that getting a start next Monday qualifies my new worker as a part owner of my business but not liable for any of the costs or risk. They’re mine yet the bottom line gets shared between the 5 people working in the shed I’ve been paying off for 7 years. Yep, I think it’s a plan doomed to failure. I’d be a mug not to sell up and get a job at the shed next door. Eventually we’d run out of sheds next door.

                    When I employ someone I’m buying their time and expertise, I don’t see what either of us stand to gain by me freely handing over a share of the ownership in my business to each new recruit. That person doesn’t need a job, they need a business plan and a meeting with their bank manager.

                    • greywarshark

                      Well David Mac you just meet the level of your rightness and integrity by paying bonuses in good years at Christmas or at
                      end of financial years. And explain when you don’t what the general business difficulties are. Then you won’t have to waste time arguing the toss with Draco.

                      s.

        • Shona 14.1.1.3

          Hosking’s opinions are never countered. He is not a journalist only a trained broadcaster. He has never worked anywhere other than the NZ media.He is an exceptionally ignorant uninformed toxic little man. I’ve worked in other parts of this world. I am better educated than Hosking and yet my views and life experience are never shown on NZ TV. Me and thousands of other exceptional hardworking kiwis. We don’t count in Hosking’s toxic pig ignorant view because kiwis who aren’t like him( narrow ignorant uninformed anti- intellectual racists) don’t count don’t get heard have no right to representation etc. The man is a fascist turd! And kiwis are fed this propaganda night and day with no opposing views ever getting air time! This country’s media is a joke populated by overpaid wankers .

          • David Mac 14.1.1.3.1

            He’s not there to enlighten people. He’s there because of the audience he draws, it’s a commercial decision. If he could increase his audience by 10% by reading Dr Seuss books, that’s what he would be doing.

            How you and I feel about him doesn’t matter. He attracts a large audience of people with disposable incomes. He’s good at his job. Does he even write what he says? I wonder when he’d find the time to write. He’s on TV at 7.30pm and back on air before dawn. I think he’d have a team of producer/writers.

            Yes, our media is in a sorry state. The information highway is a collision of misinformation. I hope for a brighter future, people will get fed up with it en masse and something better will rise.

            • Shona 14.1.1.3.1.1

              There is no brighter future if we are constantly fed bullshit, hatred and ignorance by our media. These things do not just happen . Hosking is a propagandist. Who gives a fuck if he has a large audience? Meaningless numbers of mindless of muppets who will swallow anything they are fed? Misinformation doesn’t just happen. The vast majority of young kiwis don’t watch the fuckwit. Who is his audience? I have worked for radio audience monitoring /survey companies. No one is listening to these rabid out of touch old men anymore. They are irrelevant and redundant. Alarmed the survey company I worked for over the summer quite a bit. It’s all spotify, i- tunes, and internet download of some kind or another. Internet radio from anywhere on the globe, Internet TV etc. This election will be won by the party that best works the new media avenues EVEN in backward old NZ folks are waking up to the fact that they have choice and NZ radio and TV ain’t it.
              https://www.facebook.com/rockenrolNZ/

    • Gabby 14.2

      No great harm in razzing Horeskin though.

      • David Mac 14.2.1

        Oath, what a self righteous cock he is. There is nothing more vile than a person that oozes ‘I’m better than you.’ They just so aren’t.

  15. David Mac 15

    What better ways?

    In these days of bar codes and easily accessed statistical information I think we should consider a GST overhaul.

    Lets determine what the staples of life are. The ‘gotta haves’. Healthy food, transport, an internet connection, a school uniform, electricity. No GST on those items.

    Then, minimal GST on a basic car, but double it on a Ferrari. Basic wine sticks with base taxation, bottles of Moet attract a premium rate of GST.

    Then the wealthy that choose to be frugal get the same deal as all of us but if they want premium sunglasses, holidays or haute couture threads, the GST % takes a hike.

    I think this is a fair way for the better off to pay more tax, through their consumption rather than trying to keep tabs on their elusive earnings

    • garibaldi 15.1

      “rather than trying to keep tags on their elusive earnings”. Well , there’s your case totally buggered.

  16. David Mac 16

    The person paying $80 for a bottle of sparkling wine can afford $95.

    If a new Ferrari is $520,000. The person that can’t afford $650k shouldn’t be buying one at either price.

  17. greywarshark 17

    The table could be tilted in the nation’s accounts by allowing the exchange rate to sink and thus make imported goods dearer and so boost NZ product sales at home.
    It would give a little boost to employment too.

    That’s a thing I would like to see encouraged by GST exemptions, NZ made, not designed, goods, but it might too many difficulties. I would like to see GST start reducing, first to 12half percent.

    And about paying more by the wealthy. I think there is a tortuous thought process that goes on here. They may be quite particular about their budgets, and looking for bargains, on the basis that is what people who are careful with their money do, and therefore in their minds, they are just average people planning their spending to make it stretch. They can get overkeen on this and go to the extent of convincing themselves that they can’t afford to pay bills, and the money may have to be winkled out like a dentist with a root canal.

  18. Rob 18

    Great little post it sticker on his forehead
    I hope he gets back soon as Bill must be needing him!

  19. SMILIN 19

    A slim comment of little depth purely based on a lack of knowledge of what drives 65 million people in the most diverse group on islands about the same size as nz
    Go back to university and study even if youve been there for a brief time in your past , and review the history of the UK you might learn something which would be of benefit to your position as a self made know all

  20. ianmac 20

    Media Report on National Radio this morning, did a piece ridiculing Hosking’s declaration about the UK Election. It noted a total lack of comment from him on Friday night at 7. Coward.

  21. Sanctuary 21

    Over one night in the UK, Hoskings and the rest of them were cut down to size. They are no longer fixers of governments, shapers of opinion and common sense voices of the electorate but just know nothing middle aged white men selling seven varieties of hate while ranting to a mirror.

  22. mordecai 22

    Actually what Hosking said is almost entirely true. It is funny, however, watching the left claim victory in coming second!

    • One Anonymous Bloke 22.1

      It’s a fantastic result for the Conservative Party. I can see how happy you are 😆

      • mordecai 22.1.1

        It’s the left who are celebrating defeat. That’s what Labour parties have come to. It’s sad. And pathetic.

        • One Anonymous Bloke 22.1.1.1

          Yawn. A comment bot could replace you and no-one would notice.

          Shorter Mordecai: “I have learned my lines: “Labour = bad.”

          • McFlock 22.1.1.1.1

            I think most bots these days can handle basic syntax.

          • mordecai 22.1.1.1.2

            So you think it’s a good thing doing laps of honour when you lose? I guess that’s understandable given how socialism has failed virtually everywhere it’s been tried.

  23. Ross 23

    Hosking has always been a dickhead and won’t change.

    I recall him publicly bad mouthing an elderly woman who had the temerity to dent his beloved car.

    “Mike Hosking has apologised for calling a 60-year-old preschool teacher a moron but denies he lost his temper after she dinged his Maserati.”

    https://www.odt.co.nz/news/national/mike-hosking-apologises-calling-teacher-moron

  24. This is the Jerk who wears jeans that looks to be covered in human fertilizer.
    Disgraceful.

    He is a one very deluded individual.

  25. Stuart Munro 25

    Hosking’s real success is being the archetype for a fictional character called Ma’iq.

  26. Pete 26

    Hosking hasn’t aged well? I’ve always thought him bloody youthless!

  27. In Vino 27

    To my mind, the only good thing about Hosking was Jeremy Wells’s excellent piss-taking -“More like Mike”.
    Now that Jeremy seems to have moved on, Hosking is left as a boring babbler.

  28. Michael 28

    Hosking is a neoliberal mouthpiece. His time is up, along with neoliberalism’s, although the elite will fight on to preserve their power and wealth for longer than Hosking will last. The neoliberals will soon throw Hosking under the very bus that carries his ravaged visage and replace him with another mouthpiece.

  29. georgecom 29

    “Disliked by most of his own MPs, loathed by the public, and only saved by the unionists”

    is Hosking meaning May there? could be quote written about her. The irony.
    MIke Hoskings views on politics essentially revolve around whatever allows him to keep as much of his wealth as possible

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