Hospo resilience: pairing covid response and climate action

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1. kejo 1

   8 September 2021 at 7:26 am

   The most effective response to climate change that I have seen (ever) is the Rodger Hallam, Gail Bradbrook, George Monboit, Extinction Rebellion Movement in the U.K. Google any of those 4 names on youtube and get an idea of the size and reach of this fast growing movement that embraces a philosophical, community and activist,nonviolent approach. Regards, Keith
   • weka 1.1

     8 September 2021 at 7:43 am

     Yep. I originally did a long quote from this piece from Hallam about social change, but took it out as it was confusing my point. It’s a different post.

     https://www.facebook.com/100003329775307/posts/4475886602532288/
     • weka 1.1.1

       8 September 2021 at 7:44 am

       XR UK was phenomenally successful in its first few years. I’m not so sure if it’s as successful now.
       • kejo 1.1.1.1

         8 September 2021 at 8:40 am

         But the best effort ever at making a dent in a deeply entrenched and destructive global system.More power to their arm. I,ll watch the movie.
2. Gezza 2

   8 September 2021 at 8:13 am

   A good read. This planet's a huge life-producing organism. It's 4 billion year history shows it's capable of producing new & different life after multiple global catastrophes. It almost seems like Gaia, with the pandemic, is showing that if the most destructive animal ever to walk & sail its surface can’t stop damaging everything & every other life form, it just might eliminate the human ape & start again.
   • bwaghorn 2.1

     8 September 2021 at 10:13 am

     Do you really believe that gaia stuff you just wrote.?
     • Gezza 2.1.1

       8 September 2021 at 11:41 am

       Well, I was using a bit of artistic licence referring to "Gaia". I don't believe the planet's a thinking entity.

       But we are inclined to think of ourselves as particularly special because of what our brains have enabled us collectively to do as a species.

       At the same time, looked at dispassionately, we are an ape, & a large animal that monopolises earth's resources, wipes out other life forms & their habitats (take your average city), & kills each other over primitive animalistic drives & complex abstract concepts like religions, ideology, politics.

       There are always people who are good, who always strive for the best for humanity. But look around the world. The totalitarian regimes, the killings always going on in various countries, even those caused by "liberal democracies" who interfere with other human ape cultures. Human history is a mixture of scientific advancement & endless wars somewhere on the planet.

       If we humans disappeared from earth for whatever reason there's every reason to believe the planet would soon enough achieve equalibrium of some kind & evolution would quite possibly eventually produce another "intelligent" species. Whether they'd be the same kind of creature with flaws who knows.

       I don't mean to sound negative. It's just how I occasionally look at we humans objectively.
       • bwaghorn 2.1.1.1

         8 September 2021 at 2:11 pm

         Not much to disagree with there unfortunately, crazy check complete , passed with flying colours
3. Robert Guyton 3

   8 September 2021 at 9:30 am

   Have you heard about the "Matthew Effect"?

   The antivaxxers, with their mad mistrust of the Government, endanger us all; not (only) because they won't get vaccinated, but because they undermine the level of trust needed to address non-vac issues, such as climate change.

   https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/aug/30/even-as-new-zealand-battles-covid-trust-in-government-bucks-global-trend

   "The Matthew effect

   "Social scientists say the questions of social and political trust – how to get it, how to keep it, how it’s lost or maintained – can have crucial implications. People with higher levels of trust in government are far more willing to receive a vaccine, for example, Chapple says. But the implications also extend far beyond Covid.

   “For any significant policy change, you typically need a significant community consensus that crosses political boundaries,” he says. Other huge challenges, such as the climate crisis, will require revolutions in behaviour. When people don’t trust their leaders, their institutions or each other, it’s much harder for them to solve the social problems that require huge collective action.

   “There’s a version in the data of what social scientists call the Matthew effect,” Chapple says, referring to a passage in the gospel of Matthew: “‘To he that hath, shall be given.’ So high-trust institutions, trust in them increased. But low-trust institutions banged along at the same level, or fell slightly – there’s an increasing gap.’’ The same can apply to whole governments: it’s much easier to lose trust than to gain it, and easier to increase trust when you’re already well perceived."
4. Stephen D 4

   8 September 2021 at 10:24 am

   When it comes to climate or catastrophe, this always gives me hope about our planet.

   https://youtu.be/Wy7Q6wazD_E
5. gsays 5

   8 September 2021 at 10:30 am

   One change in hospo I would like to see is a move to fewer menu items, executed to a higher standard. A little more specializing.

   A shift from the fish, the beef, the pasta, the vegetarian, the lamb etc etc.

   A greater proportion of local seasonal ingredients. Less of this importing fries from The States or Europe.

   Use local growers and add value in-house. This cuts out diesel miles, foreign owned 'middle men' (Bidvest) and keeps money in the local economy.
6. AB 6

   8 September 2021 at 12:12 pm

   "Solving the climate problem requires not just trust in science, but shared values and a will to collective action for the common good. These are all in short supply"

   I'm not sure they're in short supply among ordinary people – as the overwhelming support for our Covid response shows. However, the ideology buried in that statement (collective action, common good) is a direct challenge to the holders of economic power and in reality to everyone who has done well financially out of the status quo ante. Such people might argue that the solution to the climate problem requires further freeing of markets so that salvational technologies can be given the freedom to burst forth, etc. etc.

   Many of the obstacles are therefore political/ideological. And just as we saw many people willing to give up the collective effort against Covid and revert to an individualised "living with the virus", I think we will also see a movement towards "living with climate change" and letting the cards fall where they may.
7. roblogic 7

   8 September 2021 at 9:36 pm

   When I was younger the idea of revolution, a complete transformation of politics and society, seemed rebellious and cool; now that I am older, and more mature, I think a total revolution is necessary if we simply want to go on living at all.

   Manifest Destiny • Ill Will

   The story left an impression on me, because it contains nearly everything you need to know about modernity in four and a half minutes of film. The destruction of life, pleasure, beauty, affection, joy, sunrise, sunset, food, breath, in exchange for a car, a salary, and lung cancer — in a word: the economy.

   After five centuries there are still places on which such Western ‘care’ has not been imposed. Forests are burning, rivers are overflowing, wars are multiplying, depression is rampant, but somewhere, progress has not yet arrived. Let's bring it there quickly, before the show is over.

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