Isn’t that convenient

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1. Robert Guyton 1

   29 March 2017 at 7:30 am

   Lawrence will be chuffed!
   • Keith 1.1

     29 March 2017 at 7:52 am

     Lawrence Yule, National candidate? And local Mayor?

     No conflicts of interest there, nothing to see. Actually it wouldn’t be a Nat candidate if there weren’t!
2. Antoine 2

   29 March 2017 at 7:33 am

   Who’s on the panel?
   • Tamati Tautuhi 2.1

     29 March 2017 at 7:38 am

     Probably will do National more harm than good not releasing the reports?
     • Antoine 2.1.1

       29 March 2017 at 7:53 am

       Again this is a valid point but Not a reply to my question??
       • SheepDip 2.1.1.1

         29 March 2017 at 8:02 am

         Here are the panel members:

         https://www.dia.govt.nz/Government-Inquiry-into-Havelock-North-Drinking-Water
         • Antoine 2.1.1.1.1

           29 March 2017 at 8:22 am

           They seem like a very worthy bunch and not National stooges
           • Robert Guyton 2.1.1.1.1.1

             29 March 2017 at 8:52 am

             You imply that “National stooges” are not “very worthy”.
             • Antoine …

               29 March 2017 at 8:58 am

               I imply it vigorously
             • Matthew Whitehead …

               29 March 2017 at 12:26 pm

               Stooges of any stripe are not worthy of being involved in an inquiry. It’s important to have people who will genuinely seek the truth and can be seen to be seeking the truth when investigating a matter where wrongdoing may have occurred. In fact, if qualified independent thinkers can’t be found, governments shouldn’t be afraid to appoint opposition supporters to investigate so that they have every incentive to find any faults that exist.

               That you seem to require clarification on this issue is somewhat disturbing.
               • Antoine …

                 29 March 2017 at 12:47 pm

                 I think Robert was just surprised to hear such a sentiment from me
                 • weka …

                   29 March 2017 at 1:11 pm

                   Mostly we’re just wondering why you still vote for them 🙂
                   • One Anonymous Bloke …

                     29 March 2017 at 5:59 pm

                     I’m not: the evidence is clear enough.

                     It’s unpalatable and probably uncool to say it, but the fact is right wing beliefs are a natural consequence of privilege and self-deceit. They abase themselves.
                   • Antoine …

                     30 March 2017 at 1:26 am

                     In the last couple of elections I havent seen a credible alternative. Also, I rate that Bill English.
                 • Matthew Whitehead …

                   29 March 2017 at 2:27 pm

                   Well perhaps if you voted for someone sensible he wouldn’t be. XD
             • dukeofurl …

               29 March 2017 at 2:50 pm

               Who would be the public servants providing support for the inquiry. The timing would be dependent of their ‘availability’
           • One Anonymous Bloke 2.1.1.1.1.2

             29 March 2017 at 8:53 am

             “Minister, we need an extra twelve weeks.”

             “How does December sound?”
           • weka 2.1.1.1.1.3

             29 March 2017 at 8:57 am

             I can’t see anything in their bios about political affiliation.
           • Siobhan 2.1.1.1.1.4

             29 March 2017 at 10:07 am

             “Dr Karen Poutasi will take up her chief executive role in May – but yesterday found herself already under fire as a Government “stooge”.
             “Dr Poutasi came from the health sector where “pleasing the minister is top priority”

             …some context needed…but basically in relation to her career at the Health Ministry and overseeing of the major changes to the delivery of primary health care, and her subsequent appointment to the NZQA.

             http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10363018
             • One Anonymous Bloke …

               29 March 2017 at 4:31 pm

               Oops 🙂
     • NZJester 2.1.2

       29 March 2017 at 2:30 pm

       Probably will do National more harm than good not releasing the reports?

       As Lawrence Yule as head of the council is seen as being unresponsive to a lot of the concerns of the people in that area I’m surprised he was chosen as the National candidate.
       Havelock North is the most likely to vote National area in Hastings, but I I do think it could affect his chances. Especially after National and their previous candidate ignoring the forward thinking of Labour who had purchased land as a future school site and National was trying to do backroom deals to sell that off without public consultation. Meanwhile to cope with the fast growing Havelock North school roles problem National is going to pop more prefab portable classrooms on the school grounds to soak up the overflow. There are currently a large number of new houses being built there every day and I can’t see that stop gap working for long without the schools starting to loose their sports fields. A new school should have really been ready for them by now. I could see a lot of National votes both candidate and party going to other parties in that area.
   • One Anonymous Bloke 2.2

     29 March 2017 at 8:03 am

     Use Google to find out, then let us know.

     Edit: I see SheepDip has done your homework for you. Pity. I don’t think your ill-mannered laziness deserves such indulgence.

     [So what’s the plan here OAB? Refuse to share information you may already have at your fingertips because google? Based on what assumption? Please – do get a grip. I realise this moderating comment is coming two hours after your piece of sniping idiocy, but in the interests of dissuading you from continuing down this track of stupid…] – Bill
     • One Anonymous Bloke 2.2.1

       29 March 2017 at 3:26 pm

       @Bill, since you asked, my plan is to try and get Antoine to do a little bit of basic research to support the arguments he tries to make. I made exactly the same point on the “Down the Gurgler” post.

       Antoine’s constant demands (without so much as a “please” or “thankyou”) for publicly available information strike me as lazy and rude. Gosman employs the same lame strategy.

       And no, I didn’t have the information at my fingertips.
       • Robert Guyton 2.2.1.1

         29 March 2017 at 3:49 pm

         OAB, although I risk being painted with the brush that daubs you “troublesome”, I support your comment and almost wrote the very same thing in response to Antoine’s tinged-by-privilege comment. Haughty demands to “prove it”, where a little work on line would illuminate the questioner, seem to be a hallmark of some right wing commenters.
         • One Anonymous Bloke 2.2.1.1.1

           29 March 2017 at 4:02 pm

           I probably overstepped the mark – behavioural issues are for the moderators to address. On this occasion I actually got half-way through googling for Antoine when I asked myself “why am I doing this? The prick can’t even say ‘please’.”

           Clearly the object of the exercise was to make the “stooge” comment, as though any criticism of the decision automatically casts doubt on the ethics of the inquiry panel.

           Haughty demands to prove it indeed 🙂
           • Antoine 2.2.1.1.1.1

             30 March 2017 at 1:28 am

             Hehe OAB, I have nearly got you trained to find stuff out for me!
         • Antoine 2.2.1.1.2

           30 March 2017 at 1:27 am

           It was just an innocent question!

           It’s nice to ask questions, as it can lead to a conversation. As it did in this case.
3. Tamati Tautuhi 3

   29 March 2017 at 7:37 am

   Sounds peculiar, the water tests would have come back very quickly and the sources of contamination would be easily identified by qualified water and soil scientists?

   Obviously contamination has got into the aquafiers/wells from animal or human excrement in areas above or nearby to the aquafiers/wells this should not be too hard to identify potential sites which may have caused the contamination of the aquafiers/wells?
4. Keith 4

   29 March 2017 at 7:50 am

   Did National not rule out the dairy industry out of this inquiry from the outset anyway? Something to do with birds being the culprit, sparrows, finches and the like.
5. Robert Guyton 5

   29 March 2017 at 7:52 am

   We already know the source of the contamination – sheep. Their dung washed into the well head. The processes required to keep the sheep dung out were not effective, clearly. I thought this was commonly known?
   • Xanthe 5.1

     29 March 2017 at 10:29 am

     Robert
     So does that mean the aquifer itself was not contaminated?
     • Robert Guyton 5.1.1

       29 March 2017 at 11:16 am

       I’m not sure how far the contamination went, Xanthe, but I understand it was a “topical” contamination, rather than one resulting from systemic leaking through the ground into an aquifer. It may have resulted from a rainfall event washing sheep shit overland and into the poorly designed/maintained intake for the drinking water supply. It would be a good idea to look up the details.
   • Bill 5.2

     29 March 2017 at 11:21 am

     I seem to recall something about drought conditions having ‘cracked the ground’ to such a degree that shit could penetrate into or close to the aquifer…or be washed down there by the first post-drought rains.

     If that was the case, then there are no ‘processes’ (under any ‘business as usual’ model) that would have avoided contamination.
     • Robert Guyton 5.2.1

       29 March 2017 at 11:25 am

       Well, Bill, I don’t agree with that. If there’s a chance that a drinking water supply well head would become contaminated as a result of dry soil conditions, something was required to have been done; raise the well head, exclude stock from the area, build a bund – Act of God doesn’t wash it, though I’ve heard farmers use that excuse many times before.
       • Bill 5.2.1.1

         29 March 2017 at 11:32 am

         Oh, I wouldn’t call it an ‘Act of God’ so much as a consequence of stupidity 😉

         Just been trawling back posts and came across this fairly extensive post by Anthony from September. It, and it’s links, could be worth reading in conjunction with this post.
       • Bill 5.2.1.2

         29 March 2017 at 11:41 am

         Or there’s this from RNZ (2nd Feb this year)

         The Havelock North drinking water supply was contaminated last year by a surface pond less than 100 metres from the bore, scientific test results obtained by RNZ News show.
     • lprent 5.2.2

       29 March 2017 at 11:37 am

       Damn shallow ‘aquifer’ if that was the (unlikely) case. Should never been used as a human water source if it was what is known as a seep. Or it was, then there should have been absolutely no stock above it.

       But it seems quite unlikely because human drinkable aquifers are selected because they are well down from any surface. It sounds more like something that someone would make up as a (PR) diversion.

       From what I understand, the more likely reason was that a bore(s) into the aquifer or a collection point weren’t fenced and isolated from runoff and stock at the bore head. That provided the contamination route into the aquifer.
       • Bill 5.2.2.1

         29 March 2017 at 11:47 am

         From the RNZ link provided at 5.2.1.2

         It also emerged at the inquiry that Hawke’s Bay Regional Council, which consented the bore, and Hastings District Council, which operated it, had known since at least 2008 that water from the pond goes into the bore.

         Mr Gedye asked Mr Chapman if there was a cruder way other than scientific evidence to determine whether water from the Mangateretere Pond was entering the aquifer.

         Mr Chapman said it was obvious that when the bore pumps were turned on you could see the pond sinking and if you came back the next day the pond was depleted.
         • Robert Guyton 5.2.2.1.1

           29 March 2017 at 12:35 pm

           That’s breath taking!
       • weka 5.2.2.2

         29 March 2017 at 1:01 pm

         “But it seems quite unlikely because human drinkable aquifers are selected because they are well down from any surface.”

         True, and from what I remember there are two aquifers one on top of the other. The council takes its water from the top one, the water bottling company from the lower one 😉
6. Sanctuary 6

   29 March 2017 at 7:52 am

   I curse the Sparrows and Finchees and their liberal bias!
   • Robert Guyton 6.1

     29 March 2017 at 7:56 am

     Vegetarians!
7. mauī 7

   29 March 2017 at 9:01 am

   The first stage will be chicken shit, and the second will be more bull shit.
   • Tamati Tautuhi 7.1

     29 March 2017 at 2:14 pm

     … and sounds like full of shit?
     • gsays 7.1.1

       29 March 2017 at 7:17 pm

       Cause me tt, that’s pronounced ‘ Smith’.
8. The decrypter 8

   29 March 2017 at 9:04 am

   This national govts think? tank has generally adopted what many of us N Z army conscripts once joked about. “HURRY UP,-now wait.” Everything was hurry up,hurry up–now wait. We now have our so called govt adopting this policy. National –The hurry up, and now wait party. Pathetic .
9. Bill 9

   29 March 2017 at 10:48 am

   Am I right in remembering that this report was already a bit of a white-wash in the making? No investigation of culpability and such like…

   Half remembering a post comparing it to a similar Canadian incident where the resulting investigation had teeth…and jail sentences coming off the other end.

   Edit Walkerton was the Canadian case. And here’s the post I was half remembering.
10. Tamati Tautuhi 10

    29 March 2017 at 2:13 pm

    I seem to remember Dr Nick Smith the Minister for the Environment having trouble with birds polluting the rivers somewhere else in New Zealand, so maybe dairy and sheep are not the main culprits in the water quality issues we are having, and maybe it is the change in the defecation habits of the birds in our rural areas?
    • Robert Guyton 10.1

      29 March 2017 at 3:55 pm

      Pro-industry, anti-nature commenters have screamed birds!! to deflect blame from farming since way back; ducks, swans, geese, gulls. They hate and fear living things. Kiwiblog is riddled with such orcs (the “Kiwi” in Kiwiblog isn’t a bird, it’s a bloke and he’s not indigenous).
11. mosa 11

    29 March 2017 at 7:23 pm

    I would have thought that this is one fire they would want to put before September.

    Using a fire extinguisher instead of water of course.

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