web analytics

Key calling in police over tea tape

Written By: - Date published: 4:31 pm, November 14th, 2011 - 101 comments
Categories: john key - Tags: ,

Way to keep the story rolling John:

Key going to police over ‘teapot tapes’

John Key will complain to police over the ‘teapot tapes’, even though he says they contain nothing that would be a game-changer. The Prime Minister is making the complaint to police because he fears it could lead to more News of the World tactics. Police will visit his office at 4pm this afternoon.

“I am not bothered in the slightest about the tape,” he told media at a news conference this afternoon. ….

He’s “not bothered in the slightest about the tape”, but he’s laying a complaint with the police. OK then. Is the tape a “game changer”?  Some people think so:

Paper says teapot tapes a ‘game-changer’

The newspaper at the centre of the teapot tape affair could make a strong public interest argument for its release if the contents really are “explosive”, a leading media law commentator says.

Herald on Sunday editor Bryce Johns says a recorded conversation between Prime Minister John Key and ACT’s Epsom candidate John Banks is “potentially game-changing”.

Also:

EMBARRASSING FOR THE PM

The recording was embarrassing for the Prime Minister and was likely to change the way some people vote, the Herald of Sunday editor claimed this morning.

Is it just me, or is John Key starting to look like he has something to hide?

101 comments on “Key calling in police over tea tape ”

  1. I think he is making an important point for all politicians.

    I wouldn’t like to see “accidental” recording going open slather, and I doubt any serious party people would either once they see past point scoring opportunism.

    • Draco T Bastard 1.1

      All political discussions should be public. They do, after all, affect everyone and so everyone has a right and a need to know.

      Politicians having “private” conversations should be done for treason.

      • insider 1.1.1

        Even caucus discussions say on Chris Carter or Taito, or Pansy or Worth? Similarly a civil servant will never have a free and frank discussion under your rules.

      • Pete George 1.1.2

        I don’t agree, politicians have to be able to have private discussions. A cafe with a media frenzy is a stupid place to have a private discussion but al politicians should have the same legal rights to privacy as anyone else.

        This is a bad precedent – and I’d bet that all parties will agree after the election.

        • Lanthanide 1.1.2.1

          I agree that politicians should be able to have private conversations in public places like cafes.

          But not if that conversation is part of an election stunt that they specifically invited the press to attend.

          • Tigger 1.1.2.1.1

            And where the press are one foot away and the detail of the conversation is designed to be public (ie. this wasn’t a secret meeting, we all knew what they were there to discuss).

            Getting sick of News of the World crap from Key. He has no fucking idea how rank they were. If he thinks this is on par with what they did then he’s pathetic.

            • Lanthanide 1.1.2.1.1.1

              “Getting sick of News of the World crap from Key. He has no fucking idea how rank they were. If he thinks this is on par with what they did then he’s pathetic.”

              I’m sure Key knows it’s not in the same ballpark as NotW. But that’s not the point. It’s what the punters out there in punter-land know about NotW that counts, and for Key equating this with NotW is a valid strategy.

              IMO it’s a bad strategy, because enough people know enough about the NotW scandal (particularly anyone from the UK) and what they were doing to know that this is in a different league, thus making Key look stupid to them.

          • Jackal 1.1.2.1.2

            Lanthanide

            But not if that conversation is part of an election stunt that they specifically invited the press to attend.

            That’s what makes Keys Police complaint so stupid! The media were invited to attend… the recording was what is termed incidental and under the law can be used. Key has no legal rights here… a competent PM would know that.

        • Draco T Bastard 1.1.2.2

          I don’t agree, politicians have to be able to have private discussions.

          If they’re discussing actions that they’re going to take that affects everyone else why should those conversations be private?

          A cafe with a media frenzy is a stupid place to have a private discussion…

          The two Johnies weren’t having a private discussion – they were having political discussion. Yes, it was probably a bad place to have said discussion but we still should hear it.

          …should have the same legal rights to privacy as anyone else.

          Where have I said that they shouldn’t? It’s only in association with their job that I say that they should be recorded and the recording made public.

          Even caucus discussions say on Chris Carter or Taito, or Pansy or Worth?

          Perhaps a small time lag for sensitive discussions.

    • ron 1.2

      You know what? I try to be reasonable in the forums(a?). I try to respond reasonably with evidence for my arguments and analysis of the other’s case. But you know what? Jonkey and Banksy made a bloody great song and dance about their cuppa. “hoho see us Righties having a jolly PR time together – cmon Epsom, cmon”.
      They looked like the dicks they are and showed what dicks they are by saying something they don’t want us to hear in f^*king public!
      Bullshit, Pete. Jonkey hasn’t called the cops because he trying to protect some shonkey concept of privacy and fair play.. He’s grandstanding to protect his smelly Tory arse. OF COURSE I’d be pissed of if the Tories bugged a meeting of my party.
      This isn’t a bug in their office. This isn’t someone sectretly recording a meeting. This is the same as Smith’s “dead rats”. The conversation could just as easily have been reprted by someone overhearing the conversation. The only difference is that Shonkey jonkey can’t lie about it because there’s evidence.

      If we can roll these f*^kers by using a bit of accidental audio – i reckon go for it and see if Jonkey can fight it off, the ballless little prick.

      • Colonial Viper 1.2.1

        Now that’s fighting talk 🙂

      • Rodel 1.2.2

        What you say is spot on! so true and well said!
        How dare they invite the media on mass for such a shallow publicity stunt then try to limit what the media can or cannot report.
        It smells of dictatorship censorship. You vill report only vat I vant you to report.!!!

        But seriously folks, who gives half a sh*t what these two jonhywankers said to each other?

        Shame donnybrash couldn’t get invited to the teaparty. He would have been frankly.

        I wish we had a John Stewart in NZ. Is there anyone?

  2. Draco T Bastard 2

    Is it just me, or is John Key starting to look like he has something to hide?

    Definitely and he’s going to a lot of effort to hide it. The tape should have been released as soon as HoS got it that’s what would have happened in a credible fourth estate but we don’t have one of those.

    • insider 2.1

      yeah but you guys think he can’t lie straight in bed so it is hardly a high bar you are setting.

    • Jim Nald 2.2

      This recent incident has even prompted a response from my staunch Tory brother who half sighed, saying Brand Key is imploding.

  3. All politicians go insane during election campaigns.  So much is on the line and they have to be perfect.  I have witnessed many pollies’ decision making go to pot in the last couple of weeks.
     
    The pressure is especially bad for Key because he is carrying all of National’s hopes and expectations on his back.  The strain is showing.
     
    He has now given oxygen to the story and everyone in the country is thinking “what was on the tape?”
     
    The slithery one calls it the Barbara Streisland effect.
     
    Major mistake by Key.  He should have laughted it off.

    • Lanthanide 3.1

      Actually I think by reporting it to the police, they’ve now effectively made it impossible for the mainstream journalists to release it. So it’ll sit with the police until after the election, when it won’t matter anyway.

      • Colonial Viper 3.1.1

        No charges have been laid, so no problem.

        Especially since the Herald already has a legal opinion to that effect. The recording was made in a public place, with invited media present, with the heads of two main political parties performing in a public show and tell.

        Release it and sort it out in the courts afterwards.

        • Lanthanide 3.1.1.1

          The police have registered the complaint.

          TV3 news says they have a copy of the recording but were advised by the police before going to air not to play it.

          Watching Campbell Live now, they just had a 3-4 minute interview with Winston Peters. Giving Peters press time is in itself a huge own-goal by Key on this issue.

        • TighyRighty 3.1.1.2

          You are such a toad. I can only imagine th lengths to which you would scream criminality if this was against someone you supported. I understand partisan, but without reason? Again, through are the reason that the average labour voter is of lower intelligence than the average nat voter.

          • mickysavage 3.1.1.2.1

            Again, through are the reason that the average labour voter is of lower intelligence than the average nat voter

            Well tight righty I think you just confirmed two things:

            1.  You are really stupid.
            2.   If you are the average nat voter then the average Labour voter is way more intelligent.  And more passionate.

      • Hami Shearlie 3.1.2

        Exactly Lanthy! That was the reason JK complained to police. Still, look for it sent to someone overseas on a computer file, who will then upload it on to Youtube. By the time it’s taken off, many will have it stored on their computers! Technology rules!!

  4. Armchair Critic 4

    Of course he has some things to hide:
    1. A lack of policy in some areas.
    2. Unpopular policy in other areas.
    3. A pretty poor track record in government.
    This teapot recording provides a great distraction from National’s weak points and takes the attention away form Labour – they really need to stay in the spotlight for the next two weeks (and for the right reasons).
    The only other alternative I can see is a brief discussion of upcoming personal issues with John Banks, but I doubt either of them are dumb enough to even refer to such things in public. Well, I doubt John Key is that dumb. It’s only a possible subject because if National form a government after the election they will do so with a slim majority (one or two), and John Key does not want and can not afford another MP from Epsom resigning under undisclosed circumstances.

  5. McFlock 5

    Hmmm.
    Because there was a clearer recording of an already semi-audible conversation, it’s a police matter?
    If a camera operator recorded the visual of them speaking through the windows of the restaurant, would lipreading be illegal as well?
    I reckon they might be doing a big hoopla over this so that it’s a fizzle just before the election.

    • i wonder that too, better have voters focus on non-issue than the many many holes in nat policy

      OTOH so far its only helped to reinforce perceptions of secrecy, hypocritical pettiness and mismanagement – and pissing off media. it’s a dangerous strategy if it’s set-up

  6. tc 6

    It’s a massive staged managed distraction…..HOS is granny b*&ch after all, I don’t think he’s that stupid but on the other hand Banks is so maybe just maybe. key’s media managed to within a micron by his many support crew.

  7. anne 7

    In this case the ‘public interest’ outweighs the ‘private interest’,remember ‘watergate’ recordings, the public interest factor allowed them to be released to the public.

  8. felix 8

    I wonder when we’re going to stop calling it a “tape”…

    • Lanthanide 8.1

      Not for another 20-30 years until all the oldies have knocked off and we’re left with the digital generation in charge of the media and public discourse in general.

    • mike 8.2

      “The Teapot Tape” is catchy tho. It also has a pleasing “Watergate” feeling to it.

  9. Cin77 9

    I dont know what to think. Originally I figured it for a PR stunt but with the hoopla Keys raising maybe there is some substance to this.

    I rekon it’ll be mostly drivel anyway and what we get to know eventrually will be a well scrubbed version. Hope the guy that caught it kept a copy, I think that would make some interesting listening (or reading, transcript please kind sir 🙂

    • Tigger 9.1

      I do love a good conspiracy theory and I’m in knots trying to figure this one out.

      I think it all comes down to what is going on, rather than what was intended. What’s going on? Key is saying one thing (I don’t care) but doing another (going to the police). And he’s stuck talking about a secret recording and what he said rather than focusing on the issues. All in all what’s going on is bad for him.

      • Lanthanide 9.1.1

        Yeah I agree.

        Overall the handling by Key is poor. Either it’s not a big deal, or it is. He’s trying to have both and is so looking foolish. It’s definitely put the tea party in a negative light and spun it into the headline news for tonight, which is a bad outcome for Key.

        It gives Labour ammunition to mock him with for the rest of the campaign too.

      • Dan1 9.1.2

        Initially Key said he didn’t mind it going public, quite relaxed. Then it is now so serious that it requires a complaint to the police.
        It confirms to me that Key has no idea of what is important and what is not. It was not until someone else heard the tape and pointed out some inconsistencies that Key realised he was in the crap.
        My initial reaction was it was all a distracting setup to diminish the need for policies. Now the old rule of conspiracy vs stuffup: pick stuffup every time.

        Key’s face and body demeanour changes when he is lying. Fascinating stuff!

        • Hami Shearlie 9.1.2.1

          I’ve noticed Key’s face-changes too. Love it when he’s questioned about his links with Lord Ashcroft. Really sick looking!

  10. Neil 10

    Tapes ill-gotten, but only accidently, revealed information of “public interest” that would affect votes, according to Herald on Sunday editor Bryce Johns.

    So what exactly what were John Key and John Banks talking about so candidly in front of the nation’s media, as part of a stunt they themselves organised in order to pull democracy’s pants down in Epsom?

    http://fearfactsexposed.wordpress.com/2011/11/14/key-and-banks-take-the-piss-out-of-democracy/

  11. felix 11

    Looks like the “tape” has been leaked: http://bit.ly/vqSter

  12. Craig Glen Eden 12

    So we have John Key having a private conversation with his Gimp that was recorded in a Public place in a spot that the media was told about before hand so they could witness it. This meeting is to have cup of tea which symbolizes Nationals support for the gimp, Key is not telling Nat voters how to vote but he wouldnt be upset if they voted for the Gimp. he wont vote for the Gimp but others should? The conversation was about not much and Key is not bothered about it, but he is going to the police to stop it being made public. SSHHHish. So is Key waisting Police Time or what? To think people voted for this goober.

  13. outofbed 13

    So Brash gets rolled and Act is a branch of the National party eh?

    • felix 13.1

      Act is already a branch of the National party. Brash has already been rolled.

    • Treetop 13.2

      “So Brash gets rolled and Act is a branch of the National party eh?”

      Well to me it is looking like there are two National candidates running in Epsom.

      I have to give Brash his dues as I am able to tell that he is representing Act.

      As a side issue I said on 11 November 2011 on Banks & Peters 9. “… Brash will get rolled as leader by the end of the year if Act get back in.”

      If Key discussed Brash being rolled, it indicates that Key has crossed the line, as he always says that certain matters are the concern of the party and not for him to comment on. Yeah right, but only when it suits Key!

  14. McFlock 14

    lol – maybe the idea was for banks to leave act and stay in as an independent? 🙂

  15. Hey Key you gutless wimpish creep the cops got better things to do than wipe your yellow burnside arse!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    And I thought Aunty Helen was bad.

    Only a fuckwit would bother voting in this election. Fact!!

    • ghostwhowalksnz 15.1

      Well he getsthe Police to come to him in his office…. the next day.

      Its just a bit of push back … so when hes asked about the contents … he can say

      “Sorry police investigation …no Comment”, or some mangled version thereof

  16. Blue 16

    Key really is a dork isn’t he?

    Calling the police in, as if they have nothing better to do than to investigate this.

    The HOS has already said over and over again that it was accidental, the cameraman has explained how it happened, and it’s pretty clear that it was just a consequence of being caught up in the Key-created media frenzy.

    But loser-boy has an ego the size of a small planet and thinks it’s all about him.

    • Jackal 16.1

      The cops even call the media up to ensure they wont broadcast the recording. Meanwhile they’re ignoring my formal complaint regarding Owen Glenn trying to buy peoples votes… pisses me right off.

  17. mike 17

    “We can’t tell you what’s on the tape.”

    “John Banks is it true you are planning to restructure ACT after the election?”

    Nice one TV3.

    • felix 17.1

      Heh.

      • Lanthanide 17.1.1

        Interview between Brash and John Campbell, he ended it up by asking Brash about whether Banks supports him as leader.

        TV3 have the tapes but were told by the police not to air them.

    • Colonial Viper 17.2

      How come Key is helping Banks get rid of Brash? Isn’t ACT an independent political party? What’s National got to do with it?

      There must be rules around these situations. Where a political party is shown not to be truly independent but is actually a puppet wing of another larger party.

  18. I guess I know why Nutional and the wimpish Key mean when they say we are building a brighter future with the help of the pigs. Oh great maybe crusher can break another finger nail. No wonder the Kahui twins and Kirsty Bentley have no closure. Give the cops a ring John, oh don’t worry if you get a smack in the head by a angry bro eh mate………………..

    I am disgusted with these creeps.  

  19. Terry 19

    Interesting to see the police spring so quickly into action! ?? This event could hardly be both private AND public, Key cannot have it both ways (as hard as he tries). Key is calling into the question the integrity of the Editor of the H-on-S it appears. Bryce is beyond reproach. Of course, the countless thousand of “nice Mr Key” lackeys will be staggered to hear the meeting described as potentially “explosive”!

  20. tsmithfield 20

    Several points:

    1. The herald had plenty of time to publish if they thought it was in the public interest. The didn’t. Even TV3, who have heard the tape, commented tonight that the claims of it being a “game-changer” were over-blown, and described it as merely “interesting”. So talk of there being some cover-up is ridiculous. However, I can imagine that Key would prefer not to have the distraction of having to deal with unnecessary intrusion and distortion from the media over what the evidence suggests does not pass the test of public interest.

    2. Ambrose has admitted that he intentionally placed the recorder where it was without the consent of either Key or Banks, so his position looks fairly shaky.

    3. Key was quite right to go to the police if he felt the discussion he was having was no longer privy to media attention, and the boundary had been crossed. Surely he is entitled to the same rights as everyone else. And why the hell should he make his own private discussions public just to please the bleatings of the left anyway?

    • Stanley 20.1

      With reference to your second point, I took Ambrose’s comments to mean he put a mic on the table at a time at the beginning of the meeting when the media were inside the room, and Banks (at least) was answering questions. He got squeezed out of the group around the table because of the sheer number of media trying to get a shot or audio, and when he tried to get a wide shot, the scrum got moved outside by the media minders, and he couldn’t get/forgot to get his transmitter. As a reference, I put a mic and transmitter in front of the PM last week, on a lectern. I didn’t ask permission or consent. It was in plain view, at a Grey Power meeting with a number of other media present.

    • Draco T Bastard 20.2

      And why the hell should he make his own private discussions public just to please the bleatings of the left anyway?

      1.) When two politicians are talking concerning the interactions of their parties that will have a direct effect upon people and so they have a right to know what was said.
      2.) It was a discussion in a public space which means, by default, that the conversation wasn’t private.

    • mik e 20.3

      own goal by HOs

    • Colonial Viper 20.4

      And why the hell should he make his own private discussions public just to please the bleatings of the left anyway?

      I dunno, maybe to convince voters that him and Banks aren’t pre-planning a contrivance to screw voters and screw Brash in one go?

      If they making confidential plans now contrary to their public statements, or which could affect how people view their parties pre-election, then it needs to come out now, the whole lot, lock stock and barrel.

  21. mike 21

    Who saw Winston Peters on Campbell Live before Campbell asked Brash whether “John Banks supports me absolutely,” meant that John Banks really, really, really supports Brash?

    Winston was glowing. Did he implying he had heard this ever-more mysterious tape? Did I miss something? Why are we talking to Winston? He was firing on all cylinders. He reckons it will show a John Key the public doesn’t see. The one who says one thing in public and another in private. Here’s hoping. Or maybe he’s just taking the chance to grab himself a slice of John Key is a shifty liar pie.

    Goff is right this is farcical. So it begins – with two weeks to go, it’s always a silly fun-farm surreal circus monkey on party pills from here folks.

  22. gobsmacked 22

    Yes, the journos don’t need to publish what was said. They just need to have heard or seen what was said (TV3, Herald) and then ask Banks and Key about it, without explicitly referring to it. No law against asking those questions.

    You don’t ask “Did you say on the tape …”

    You ask “Can you confirm / rule out that you will … ” “Have you ever discussed …” “So are you saying that you’ve never …” etc.

    Unfortunately the number of political journos in NZ who have the skills or desire to do this can be counted on one hand, but still.

  23. If this tape was damaging, wouldn’t silence form key be the best, wouldn’t he just let it die out, I kinda think the left is being played, that Goff will scream and yell like a circus chimp to have it released, and when it comes out and its nothing, he will end up looking foolish, not to hard for Goff I guess.

    • So why would Key go to the police about it then?  Wouldn’t this make him look like a dork if he was trying to play Goff?

    • felix 23.2

      Have you seen Goff screaming and yelling before Brett?

      Have you ever seen him over-reacting with inappropriate outbursts of emotionally charged fervour?

      Are you sure you’re thinking of Phil Goff?

      Do you spend a lot of time with your own thoughts, Brett?

  24. Treetop 24

    I can now see why Brash was not invited along for a cuppa and a chat when Banks and Key met to appease the voters of Epsom. The day for the cuppa was probably picked when it was known that Brash had an engagement in the South Island.

  25. felix 25

    Notice how irrelevant Brash is these days?

    TV3 tonight showed Banks and Key on the campaign trail, all busy and bustling.

    Then when they talk to Brash – nominally the leader of the party at the centre of the scandal – it’s at what looks like a family bbq.

    Retired already.

    • Draco T Bastard 25.1

      Notice how irrelevant Brash is these days?

      Brash hasn’t been relevant since he lost the 2k5 election due to dithering with the EB and lying about it.

  26. gobsmacked 26

    A conservative curmudgeon (who usually gets stuck into lefty-liberals) is not impressed by Key on this one …

    http://karldufresne.blogspot.com/2011/11/funny-business-at-cafe-urban.html

    Generally, I reckon that “News of the World” line from Key/Joyce is backfiring. Most people can work out the difference between publicity-seeking politicians and the family of a murdered girl or a dead soldier.

    • Jim Nald 26.1

      … in this latest case, Honesty has been murdered

      • rosy 26.1.1

        Anything I thought about Key being intelligent… scrub that.
        1. meeting in a public place with reporters and camera operators in tow – fine for the PR purpose
        2. not noticing a stray black bag on the table after everyone shooed out – what??
        3. Talking about anything other than ‘how’s the weather today?’ in such a setting – crazy
        3. Identifying said black bag as a recording device at the end of the discussion – All righty, light bulb moment.
        4. Handing it over to be handed back to the owner without checking it – a wtf moment, really how stupid can a slick PR whore be?

        Surely handing back an object identified as a recorder is a form of permission for the owner to do what he likes with it? It was GIVEN to him.

        And if I was a betting person I’d bet it has the word ‘sheeple’ on it. That fits the stories of Key – that the conversation was pretty boring – and the editor who used ‘game-changer’ to describe it. As in, for example, ‘nothing to worry about Johnny the sheeple of Epsom will vote like they’re told to’.

  27. There’s always a plan B.

    John Key was ‘plan B’ for when Brash became leader of National. Banks is ‘plan B’ for when Brash became the leader of ACT.

    Sadly, ‘plan A’ just kept on failing.

    Or was ‘plan A’ always just ‘bait and switch’? The main thing was to dislodge Rodney Hide from Epsom – that could be done once Brash acted as the battering ram. Banks could then take over.

    Rodney Hide – in his custodianship of ACT – was a bit like Saddam Hussein’s custodianship of Iraq; a useful proxy but a bit too independent at times. It was inevitable that the time would come when he needed to be removed.

  28. ianmac 28

    And keep in mind that the Brash take-over was maybe a connivance between Steven Joyce and Act and as strategist for National he no doubt has responsibility for the tea party. And therefore the stuff up. Shadows suit him.

  29. It may well be the tone that is so damaging rather than content. What if Key was portrayed as something quite different to the scripted, ‘likeable’ John the public think they know…using cynical, disparaging language – of Brash, of the media, of the public, that undermines his public image just enough to turn the undecided swingers away and suddenly it’s all on as National fall to mid 40’s.

    Maybe this explains the change of heart by MonKey..not about the content but he’s recalled the tone that may undermine his image.

    • felix 29.1

      …of the public…

      That’s what I reckon too. He’ll be saying something about the “little people” or the “plebs” falling in line and doing what they’re told and voting for Banks.

      Half-jokingly of course, but it’s hard to report only the joking half.

      • burt 29.1.1

        I totally agree with you. However I think that as the blue stripe from Epsom do act as sheep I think pointing out that Key and Banks discuss them as such will make them chuckle. FFS, if they are prepared to take one for the team and put Banks into parliament then they are not going to be to fussed about being momentarily mocked for it. They’ll be mocking each other about it for decades.

        • felix 29.1.1.1

          Could be so. If I were Key I wouldn’t want to risk it though.

          While you’re here, what if anything do you reckon – as an ACT supporter/former supporter – about Banks being the face of the party, and potentially the leader?

    • burt 29.2

      Look ummm, can someone remind me again why the surveillance evidence in the Urewera 18 case was inadmissible? That’s right it wasn’t done legally.

      Seems appropriate that as gossip of a recordings gained traction that Key should push the ‘consequences’ button. He’s so recently been strongly reminded the consequences of not following legal process with making recordings so he’s right to ensure the law is vigorously adhered to.

      • Lanthanide 29.2.1

        There’s quite a big difference between the police installing surveillance video cameras for months knowing that it wasn’t within the existing laws, and someone ‘accidentally’ leaving a microphone in front of the PM for 8-9 minutes during a staged media event.

        • burt 29.2.1.1

          Yes, a big difference – one was months of video and one was minutes of audio. However both are illegal recordings.

          Is there really people in NZ who think they can “secretly” record the PM and not face legal consequences ? Really…

          • Colonial Viper 29.2.1.1.1

            However both are illegal recordings.

            Not according to the Herald’s legal team, mate. Trust them more than I trust you. And that’s really saying something.

      • fmacskasy 29.2.2

        Burt – because the Urewera 18 aren’t standing for Parliament? Because they’re not stitching up deals to win electorates? And because the Urerwera 18 won’t be elected to pass laws in the House that affect us all?

        Howzat for a few differences?

  30. Jan 30

    My take on cuppagate? It’s an evil plot to distract the MSM from an in-depth analysis of policy proposals and therefore potentially alerting voters as to which party’s policies might be in their best interests ;-).

    [always assume fuckup over conspiracy. People fuckup all the time. Conspiracies that work and stay secret are a special level of not fucking up that comes along very rarely. Zet]

    • burt 30.1

      I think so. If Key and Banks (and all their minders) were so completely inept as to let this happen by accident then they should all fricken resign right now!

      Happy to be called wrong on this, but I think they utterly knew it was there and they are now playing it to their advantage.

      • Colonial Viper 30.1.1

        Happy to be called wrong on this, but I think they utterly knew it was there and they are now playing it to their advantage.

        So they knew the radio mic was there, and deliberately left it anyway, which means that the recording made is not illegal.

        • burt 30.1.1.1

          Yes, indeed. If you think for a moment Key knew it was on then you might want to stop giving him oxygen over it.

      • rosy 30.1.2

        Yeah I know Burt, it’s so hard to work out if they were really stupid or really manipulative *sigh* I’m going for stupid.

    • fmacskasy 30.2

      [always assume fuckup over conspiracy. People fuckup all the time. Conspiracies that work and stay secret are a special level of not fucking up that comes along very rarely. Zet]

      Precisely.

      Cases in point, to prove how real conspiracies end up;

      * Iran-Contra Deal.

      * Watergate.

      * Assassination of Julius Caesar.

  31. burt 31

    Another possibility. Key told Banks that his clash over decriminalising marijuana ends after the election. That if he wants the nod for 3 year in Epsom he’s got to at least tow his own party leaders line.

    That would probably meet the criteria for the media to say it would change the way people see the govt.

    • Colonial Viper 31.1

      2 follow on scenarios

      1) The clash over decriminalising marijuana ends because Key assists in getting Brash gets dumped.

      2) The clash over decriminalising marijuana ends because Key says he will come out in support of it.

      Yes both scenarios would change how the public votes and we should be told now.

  32. Jan 32

    It’s a joke! However there is a serious point – nearly all of the MSM election news is diversionary and uninformative – the analysis of trivia like body language that – that frankly I can see for myself. The polls are indicating that 30-40% of people in NZ – possibly more – are reporting that they are just about to vote against their own best interests. There seems to be a connection here!

  33. mik e 33

    Can someone just lip read the news reel and we can get some transparency from our transparent PM PinoKeynose

  34. Tigger 34

    “But Mr Key has today maintained the recording of his conversation with ACT’s Epsom candidate John Banks was no different to the hacking of a dead girl’s phone by defunct British tabloid News of the World.”

    Really JK, it’s as bad as the hacking of a dead girl’s phone? What else is it no different to – genocide, serial killing, rape and torture?

  35. Richard Down South 35

    I thought i had posted this, but here goes again… do the police have the right to ‘usher’ the press out of a cafe, without a request to do so by the business owner… what if they wanted a coffee and a muffin?

  36. Rodel 36

    Meanwhile back in the jungle…Bill English is formulating plans to sell Kiwibank and ACC…and no one is noticing….

Recent Comments

Recent Posts

  • Environment Court Judge appointed
    Prudence Steven QC, barrister of Christchurch has been appointed as an Environment Judge and District Court Judge to serve in Christchurch, Attorney-General David Parker announced today. Ms Steven has been a barrister sole since 2008, practising in resource management and local government / public law.    She was appointed a Queen’s ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    32 mins ago
  • Government moves on climate promises
    The Government is delivering on its first tranche of election promises to take action on climate change with a raft of measures that will help meet New Zealand’s 2050 carbon neutral target, create new jobs and boost innovation. “This will be an ongoing area of action but we are moving ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    4 hours ago
  • Jump starting research careers
    The Government is investing up to $10 million to support 30 of the country’s top early-career researchers to develop their research skills. “The pandemic has had widespread impacts across the science system, including the research workforce. After completing their PhD, researchers often travel overseas to gain experience but in the ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    5 hours ago
  • Project protects jobs and nature
    A Waitomo-based Jobs for Nature project will keep up to ten people employed in the village as the tourism sector recovers post Covid-19 Conservation Minister Kiri Allan says. “This $500,000 project will save ten local jobs by deploying workers from Discover Waitomo into nature-based jobs. They will be undertaking local ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    24 hours ago
  • Minister Shaw speaks with U.S. Presidential Envoy John Kerry
    Minister for Climate Change, James Shaw spoke yesterday with President Biden’s Special Presidential Envoy for Climate John Kerry. “I was delighted to have the opportunity to speak with Mr. Kerry this morning about the urgency with which our governments must confront the climate emergency. I am grateful to him and ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 day ago
  • Minister of Foreign Affairs makes three diplomatic appointments
    Foreign Affairs Minister Hon Nanaia Mahuta today announced three diplomatic appointments: Alana Hudson as Ambassador to Poland John Riley as Consul-General to Hong Kong Stephen Wong as Consul-General to Shanghai   Poland “New Zealand’s relationship with Poland is built on enduring personal, economic and historical connections. Poland is also an important ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 day ago
  • Major redevelopment of Wainuiomata High School underway
    Work begins today at Wainuiomata High School to ensure buildings and teaching spaces are fit for purpose, Education Minister Chris Hipkins says. The Minister joined principal Janette Melrose and board chair Lynda Koia to kick off demolition for the project, which is worth close to $40 million, as the site ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 day ago
  • New expert group appointed to advise Government on Oranga Tamariki
    A skilled and experienced group of people have been named as the newly established Oranga Tamariki Ministerial Advisory Board by Children’s Minister Kelvin Davis today. The Board will provide independent advice and assurance to the Minister for Children across three key areas of Oranga Tamariki: relationships with families, whānau, and ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 day ago
  • COVID-19 vaccine slated for possible approval next week
    The green light for New Zealand’s first COVID-19 vaccine could be granted in just over a week, Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern said today. “We’re making swift progress towards vaccinating New Zealanders against the virus, but we’re also absolutely committed to ensuring the vaccines are safe and effective,” Jacinda Ardern said. ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    2 days ago
  • New ACC Board members announced.
    The Minister for ACC is pleased to announce the appointment of three new members to join the Board of ACC on 1 February 2021. “All three bring diverse skills and experience to provide strong governance oversight to lead the direction of ACC” said Hon Carmel Sepuloni. Bella Takiari-Brame from Hamilton ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    2 days ago
  • Economic boost for Southland marae
    The Government is investing $9 million to upgrade a significant community facility in Invercargill, creating economic stimulus and jobs, Infrastructure Minister Grant Robertson and Te Tai Tonga MP Rino Tirikatene have announced.  The grant for Waihōpai Rūnaka Inc to make improvements to Murihiku Marae comes from the $3 billion set ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    2 days ago
  • Celebrating the Entry Into Force of the Treaty on the Prohibition of Nuclear Weapons
    [Opening comments, welcome and thank you to Auckland University etc] It is a great pleasure to be here this afternoon to celebrate such an historic occasion - the entry into force of the Treaty on the Prohibition of Nuclear Weapons. This is a moment many feared would never come, but ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    6 days ago
  • Supporting disabled people to stay connected
    The Government is providing $3 million in one-off seed funding to help disabled people around New Zealand stay connected and access support in their communities, Minister for Disability Issues, Carmel Sepuloni announced today. The funding will allow disability service providers to develop digital and community-based solutions over the next two ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    6 days ago
  • Voluntary saliva testing offered to quarantine workers from Monday
    Border workers in quarantine facilities will be offered voluntary daily COVID-19 saliva tests in addition to their regular weekly testing, COVID-19 Response Minister Chris Hipkins said today. This additional option will be rolled out at the Jet Park Quarantine facility in Auckland starting on Monday 25 January, and then to ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    6 days ago
  • Next steps in firearms buy-back
    The next steps in the Government’s ambitious firearms reform programme to include a three-month buy-back have been announced by Police Minister Poto Williams today.  “The last buy-back and amnesty was unprecedented for New Zealand and was successful in collecting 60,297 firearms, modifying a further 5,630 firearms, and collecting 299,837 prohibited ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    6 days ago
  • Jobs for Nature projects target iconic ecosystems
    Upscaling work already underway to restore two iconic ecosystems will deliver jobs and a lasting legacy, Conservation Minister Kiri Allan says.  “The Jobs for Nature programme provides $1.25 billion over four years to offer employment opportunities for people whose livelihoods have been impacted by the COVID-19 recession. “Two new projects ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 week ago
  • New Public Housing Plan announced
    The Government has released its Public Housing Plan 2021-2024 which outlines the intention of where 8,000 additional public and transitional housing places announced in Budget 2020, will go. “The Government is committed to continuing its public house build programme at pace and scale. The extra 8,000 homes – 6000 public ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 week ago
  • Prime Minister congratulates President Joe Biden on his inauguration
    Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern has congratulated President Joe Biden on his inauguration as the 46th President of the United States of America. “I look forward to building a close relationship with President Biden and working with him on issues that matter to both our countries,” Jacinda Ardern said. “New Zealand ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 week ago
  • Jobs for Nature funding will create training and employment opportunities
    A major investment to tackle wilding pines in Mt Richmond will create jobs and help protect the area’s unique ecosystems, Biosecurity Minister Damien O’Connor says. The Mt Richmond Forest Park has unique ecosystems developed on mineral-rich geology, including taonga plant species found nowhere else in the country. “These special plant ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 week ago
  • Pre-departure testing extended to all passengers to New Zealand
    To further protect New Zealand from COVID-19, the Government is extending pre-departure testing to all passengers to New Zealand except from Australia, Antarctica and most Pacific Islands, COVID-19 Response Minister Chris Hipkins said today. “The change will come into force for all flights arriving in New Zealand after 11:59pm (NZT) on Monday ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 week ago
  • Bay Cadets learn skills to protect environment
    Bay Conservation Cadets launched with first intake Supported with $3.5 million grant Part of $1.245b Jobs for Nature programme to accelerate recover from Covid Cadets will learn skills to protect and enhance environment Environment Minister David Parker today welcomed the first intake of cadets at the launch of the Bay ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 week ago
  • Cook Islanders to resume travel to New Zealand
    The Prime Minister of New Zealand Jacinda Ardern and the Prime Minister of the Cook Islands Mark Brown have announced passengers from the Cook Islands can resume quarantine-free travel into New Zealand from 21 January, enabling access to essential services such as health. “Following confirmation of the Cook Islands’ COVID ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    2 weeks ago
  • Supporting communities and landowners to grow employment opportunities
    Jobs for Nature funding is being made available to conservation groups and landowners to employ staff and contractors in a move aimed at boosting local biodiversity-focused projects, Conservation Minister Kiritapu Allan has announced. It is estimated some 400-plus jobs will be created with employment opportunities in ecology, restoration, trapping, ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    2 weeks ago
  • Border exception for some returning international tertiary students
    The Government has approved an exception class for 1000 international tertiary students, degree level and above, who began their study in New Zealand but were caught offshore when border restrictions began. The exception will allow students to return to New Zealand in stages from April 2021. “Our top priority continues ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    2 weeks ago
  • Tiwai deal gives time for managed transition
    Today’s deal between Meridian and Rio Tinto for the Tiwai smelter to remain open another four years provides time for a managed transition for Southland. “The deal provides welcome certainty to the Southland community by protecting jobs and incomes as the region plans for the future. The Government is committed ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    2 weeks ago
  • New member for APEC Business Advisory Council
    Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern has appointed Anna Curzon to the APEC Business Advisory Council (ABAC). The leader of each APEC economy appoints three private sector representatives to ABAC. ABAC provides advice to leaders annually on business priorities. “ABAC helps ensure that APEC’s work programme is informed by business community perspectives ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    2 weeks ago
  • Govt’s careful economic management recognised
    The Government’s prudent fiscal management and strong policy programme in the face of the COVID-19 global pandemic have been acknowledged by the credit rating agency Fitch. Fitch has today affirmed New Zealand’s local currency rating at AA+ with a stable outlook and foreign currency rating at AA with a positive ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    2 weeks ago
  • Additional actions to keep COVID-19 out of NZ
    The Government is putting in place a suite of additional actions to protect New Zealand from COVID-19, including new emerging variants, COVID-19 Response Minister Chris Hipkins said today. “Given the high rates of infection in many countries and evidence of the global spread of more transmissible variants, it’s clear that ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    2 weeks ago
  • 19 projects will clean up and protect waterways
    $36 million of Government funding alongside councils and others for 19 projects Investment will clean up and protect waterways and create local jobs Boots on the ground expected in Q2 of 2021 Funding part of the Jobs for Nature policy package A package of 19 projects will help clean up ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    3 weeks ago