Labour leadership announcement – livestream

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1. weka 1

   1 August 2017 at 12:19 pm

   Ardern unequivocally affirms the MoU with the Greens. Then makes a strong statement about focussing on Labour’s campaign and priorities not those of other parties. Good. The Greens need a strong coalition partner.

   She’s doing well in the press conference.
   • weka 1.1

     1 August 2017 at 12:20 pm

     “there will be nothing blancmange about this campaign”

     Game on Ardern.
   • Louis 1.2

     1 August 2017 at 12:34 pm

     The Green Party have said their relationship with Labour “will continue to be sound now that Jacinda Ardern has assumed leadership of the Labour Party..So the implication is that the relationship wasn’t sound under Andrew Little? https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/live-jacinda-ardern-elected-unopposed-new-labour-party-leader-kelvin-davis-takes-deputy
     • weka 1.2.1

       1 August 2017 at 12:36 pm

       “continue” implies that it was already sound.

       I would take her point to mean that don’t start with that undermining bullshit, MSM.
       • Louis 1.2.1.1

         1 August 2017 at 12:51 pm

         “now that Jacinda Ardern has assumed leadership of the Labour Party” makes it sound like it wasn’t sound before.
         • weka 1.2.1.1.1

           1 August 2017 at 1:02 pm

           yeah that’s what happens when you take pieces of sentences out of context.

           Here’s the whole bit,

           Metiria Turei MP on Tuesday, August 1, 2017 – 11:40
           The Green Party is committed to working with Labour to change the government this September.

           “Our relationship will continue to be sound now that Jacinda Ardern has assumed leadership of the Labour Party, and our congratulations goes out to her and new deputy leader, Kelvin Davis. Our goal remains the same – to change the government this September, and we’re looking forward to working together to achieve this,” said Green Party Co-leader Metiria Turei.

           “Andrew Little has spent the last two and a half years standing up for all New Zealanders, working to bridge the gap between rich and poor, and to call out the National Government’s many failures. We thank him for that.

           “What’s important now is that we show New Zealanders we have answers to the problems we face as a nation; homelessness, families struggling to get by, climate change, and dirty rivers and lakes. These are problems National has failed to address or solve – it’s time to change the government,” said Mrs Turei.

           Sure, the Greens have put Labour through their paces recently, but the single thing I’ve seen undermining the MoU was Nash’s comments yesterday. Everyone else on those parties has been working as if the MoU is sound.
           • Louis 1.2.1.1.1.1

             1 August 2017 at 1:15 pm

             The part I pointed out, the way it was worded even in full context makes it sound as though the MoU wasn’t sound when Andrew Little was leader and implies it will be now that Jacinda is leader. Im just pointing out how it came across thats all.
             • weka …

               1 August 2017 at 1:22 pm

               Sure, people will interpret the way they want to. I’ve not seen anything to suggest that there was a real problem before apart from Nash being a dick about it.
               • Louis …

                 1 August 2017 at 2:04 pm

                 Frankly I don’t care what Nash says, never have.
2. r0b 2

   1 August 2017 at 12:19 pm

   A genuine and impressive performance from Jacinda Ardern.
   • weka 2.1

     1 August 2017 at 12:22 pm

     She’s doing really well. She just shut Corin Dann’s bullshit down!
   • Draco T Bastard 2.2

     1 August 2017 at 1:31 pm

     She’s certainly better at fronting the press than Little was. Her confidence comes through loud and clear.
3. marty mars 3

   1 August 2017 at 12:20 pm

   Sounded good the bit I heard. Go Jacinda – you’ve stepped up now onward to victory!!! And for God’s sake keep davis away from power please.
4. WILD KATIPO 4

   1 August 2017 at 12:24 pm

   ‘ Would you like to tell me why I cant ‘ ?

   Woohooo !…. give em a bit of mongrel and you’ll do well !!!
   • weka 4.1

     1 August 2017 at 12:28 pm

     I reckon!
   • One Anonymous Bloke 4.2

     1 August 2017 at 12:29 pm

     Yeah that was good 🙂
5. TraderX 5

   1 August 2017 at 12:46 pm

   Am not a labour supporter right now but Jacinda Ardern was impressive in that press conference, natural communicator.

   72 hours to take stock of platform

   My wish list

   -wealth and carbon tax, used to fund a tax free threshold
   -massive infrastructure spend, clean energy, public amenities and transport
   -even bigger house building goals – but set a target for affordability (income multiple)
   -Breakup supermarket and building products duopolies (food and housing most important human needs).

   -Higher benefits and higher expectations of beneficiaries (of pref a UBI to solve once and for all)
   No more corporate welfare
   -No more bribes to students who will be the most wealthy in future

   That might swing me away from TOP.

   Cheers
   • Mike Steinberg 5.1

     1 August 2017 at 2:08 pm

     Restricting the residential approval target from 44,000 to about 20,000 per year would get my vote. Having the highest per-capita intake in the world is making housing unaffordable, forcing the expansion of the city limits into market garden & bushland, pushing up the exchange rate, holding down the wages of New Zealanders towards the lower end of the skill distribution.

     https://croakingcassandra.com/2017/04/12/slashing-immigration-really-is-quite-easy/
6. Karen 6

   1 August 2017 at 12:47 pm

   Jacinda was amazing in that press conference.

   She has restored me with hope that we will be able to change the government.
   • weka 6.1

     1 August 2017 at 12:54 pm

     Me too. I was cheering at one point.
   • odysseus 6.2

     1 August 2017 at 2:20 pm

     TOTALLY impressive.
7. SpaceMonkey 7

   1 August 2017 at 1:05 pm

   Impressive start from Jacinda.
8. Psych nurse 8

   1 August 2017 at 1:38 pm

   Yes-she came across as Miss Whiplash with Gower, Dann and Soper begging for more.
   • weka 8.1

     1 August 2017 at 2:36 pm

     Gower has just written a glowing report.
9. Kat 9

   1 August 2017 at 1:46 pm

   Helen MkII…..but with a smile!
10. silvertuatara 10

    1 August 2017 at 1:52 pm

    Jacinda will make a fantastic prime minister, and I am also really happy to see Kelvin Davis assume the role of Deputy Leader of the Labour Party.

    I know of many 40-50 year olds that have the upmost respect in the way Jacinda Adern approaches politics.

    Jacinda has also brought a level of dignity to politics that has not been seen in the last 9 years within the current National Government. Jacinda has stood above personal attacks on her appearance and does not involve herself in petty/ and or dirty politics which is refreshing to see.

    Yet at the same time Jacinda will not back away from asking the hard questions of the current National government, both through the press and within parliament. So if you ask me who I would be comfortable with as being the next female prime minister of New Zealand when comparing Jacinda Adern, with say, National’s Paula Bennett, Nicky Kaye, etc, Jacinda wins easily through her advanced intellect and greater emotional intelligence.

    And I am looking forward to seeing Kelvin Davis’ and Jacinda Adern’s greater prominence resonate in a manner that will be positively embraced by the Maori population as a whole, so that Labour, as part of the wider left movement is seen as a fresh and credible option for support this election so as to displace the National Government who have failed New Zealand’s middle and lower (for which Maori are over represented in) classes over the past 9 years.
11. mauī 11

    1 August 2017 at 1:53 pm

    Handled with aplomb. Andy who? (Soz Andy)
12. ianmac 12

    1 August 2017 at 2:03 pm

    Jacinda has the first question today:
    “JACINDA ARDERN to the Prime Minister: Does he stand by his statement on the housing crisis that “I wouldn’t call it a crisis. We have strong demand, we have an uplift in prices – these are good problems to have actually”?
    Will set the tone I think.
    • ianmac 12.1

      1 August 2017 at 2:14 pm

      PS. Jacinda has the skill to adjust her questions today, in the light of what English said in the previous answer. And English does squirm his fingers muchly while answering. Wonder what that means?
      Great start Jacinda.
13. Robert Guyton 13

    1 August 2017 at 2:15 pm

    Refreshing!
    So this is what was meant by “a fresh approach”!
    Choice!
14. xanthe 14

    1 August 2017 at 2:16 pm

    just watched the (delayed) live stream of the press conference

    I will be voting Labour this time ! and thats after many years of “die in a ditch” opposition.

    Jacinda completely owned that question time (apart from one tiny niggle ,please dont start every answer with “look”)

    but basically a masterclass in wrangling press hacks ! and thats not an easy task!

    I have had strong misgivings about Kelvin Davis but he actually did very well and did not seem smarmy at all !!.. I am going to keep an open mind there and hope he can win me over. either way Jacinda has carried it for me.

    all in all a very good day .. and the sun’s just come out here too.
15. David Mac 15

    1 August 2017 at 2:37 pm

    Engaging, I intended watching a minute or 2, I was pulled right through. The ‘flakey lightweight’ criticism, not a hint of it, she owned the room. The body language of those about her was promising, they all seemed to have a glint of ‘well put, go girl’ in their eye. What an exciting breath of fresh air, I think the press will be all over her. Her dog breed of choice disclosure will be promoted from New Idea to the front page of the Herald. Exposure that generates water cooler talk… “Oh she’s just so real”. Campaign gold.
16. Robert Guyton 16

    1 August 2017 at 2:40 pm

    National Party Dirty Tricks Department “own goal”.
    Nice.
    • Anne 16.1

      1 August 2017 at 2:44 pm

      I hope you’re right Robert Guyton . Btw, your comments are always refreshing to read.
17. greywarshark 17

    1 August 2017 at 2:46 pm

    The livestream’s over – it’s time to call it a day.

    I tried to get it on The Standard and saw that it was on Youtube so I tried to get it there and got this black screen with LiveU on it. I could watch Andrew Little or
    something about English castles but I couldn’t get Jacinda. I got distracted by Eddie Izzard and while watching him I got a background of people setting up no doubt to record Jacinda now I actually see the podium and they are testing, testing.

    So everyone says she is doing well. I’ll take your word for it. I haven’t time to watch the latest political show (have been seeing a bit of House of Cards)_but it will unfold and I will try to relax as it goes on, and not think that this is about the real life blood of the nation. And not care too much in case it turns from red to custard.
18. marty mars 18

    1 August 2017 at 2:50 pm

    Yep I think she will form a government after the election. Bill English will lose again. Looking good now. Little whilst nice had to go. I’m over the shock and it is a goer.
19. swordfish 19

    1 August 2017 at 3:47 pm

    In terms of the major Parties – Ardern has certainly been the most popular non-Leader in the Preferred PM stakes since John Key 2006

    2006 Colmar Brunton (before Key topples Brash)

    ………………………………JULY 2006 ………AUG 2006 ……… SEP 2006 ……… OCT 2006

    Helen Clark ……………… 39% ……………… 37% …………………… 36% ……………… 33%
    John Key …………………… 7% …………………8% ……………………… 8% …………………11%
    Winston Peters …… ……3%………………… 4% ……………………… 4%………………… 4%
    Don Brash …………… … 14% ……………… 15% …………………… 18% ………….… … 17%

    2017 Colmar Brunton

    …………………………FEB 2017…MARCH 2017…MAY 2017 … JULY 2017 … JULY 2017

    Bill English …………… 31% ………… 26% …………… 29% ………… 26 % ……… 28%
    Andrew Little ………… 7% ………… 7% ……………… 8% …………… 5% ………… 6%
    Winston Peters ………8% ………… 9% ……………… 7% …………… 11% ……… 10%
    Jacinda Ardern ………4% …… …… 9% ……………… 6% …………… 6% ………… 6%

    Notice that Clark was more popular than English is now & that Brash remained well ahead of Key whereas Ardern has rivalled Little for some time
    • swordfish 19.1

      1 August 2017 at 4:10 pm

      Post-resignation Helen Clark (during Goff years) was only non-Leader to rival 2006 Key & 2017 Ardern in Preferred PM stakes

      In the 3 News Reid Research Preferred PM Poll

      Jacinda Ardern 2017

      10.5% …… 6.6% …… 8.7%

      Whereas Key didn’t figure at all in the 3 News TNS Polls of 2006 before toppling Brash – series of big fat zeros
20. kenny 20

    1 August 2017 at 5:01 pm

    Oh! dear, what were they thinking?

    The National-Lite faction win again!

    Jacinda is too young, inexperienced and light weight to be party leader. In every exchange I saw with Parata she came off second best; I can’t remember any time when she got the better of an opponent. You need to be more than just a good talker for this job. If I remember correctly didn’t she work for Tony Blair? Enough said.

    Kelvin is just too wooden and can’t think on his feet; he really let Sam whatsisname off the hook over corrections because of poor follow through questions and let the NZ First spokesman get the telling questions in.

    Having said that I can’t see anyone who can retrieve Labour’s fortunes until the National Lite faction are gone from caucus.
    • Pete 20.1

      1 August 2017 at 9:05 pm

      +100

      It is really quite bizarre that nobody in NZ labour dares to promote the radically different ideas of Bernie Sanders let alone Jeremy Corbin. Instead of policies designed to end the neo-liberal loonies run, we get served new faces with appeal and charisma.

      Yawn.
21. Michael who failed Civics 21

    1 August 2017 at 5:08 pm

    Ardern handled the paparazzi well but it wasn’t a baptism by fire. She’ll face much, much worse over the next few weeks and I think she’ll need support from caucus colleagues who are not famous for displaying it towards their leaders. The best Labour can hope for on 23 September is that it doesn’t slip below 20%; if Ardern can score the same result as Labour got in 2014 (it’s worst ever, until now), she’ll have done brilliantly.
    • One Anonymous Bloke 21.1

      1 August 2017 at 5:30 pm

      much, much worse over the next few weeks

      I doubt there’s time for the National Party to successfully astroturf and then deploy a new “We hate Jacinda! She’s a woman! Probably a lesbian! Childless!” narrative in the short time they have left. Dad4justice is going to be disappointed, I’m afraid 😈

      The best the right can hope for is to play the experience card, and I suspect she may have the chops to make hay from that line of attack.

      Or perhaps I’m just being stupidly optimistic and more people have to die before the National Party gets the recognition it deserves.
      • Michael who failed Civics 21.1.1

        1 August 2017 at 10:25 pm

        I hope you’re right, OAB. Ardern got off to a great start today and, I think, has rejuvenated Labour’s flagging campaign. I still don’t intend voting for her, or her Party (for the first time since 1990), until I see credible and progressive alternative policies to the neoliberal status quo. FWICS, it’s probably too late for Labour to deliver credible policies in this election campaign, but it may be able to announce progressive, alternative ones which it can then use as a platform for 2020. Assuming it isn’t wiped out on 23 September 2017, that is.
22. Sanctuary 22

    1 August 2017 at 5:36 pm

    Crikey, has old Paddy Gower cracked a woody for Jacinda Ardern or what? Now we know why he had it in for Andrew Little, he has a serious case of a middle aged crush.

    http://www.newshub.co.nz/home/election/2017/08/patrick-gower-jacinda-s-on-fire-national-should-be-frightened.html
    • One Anonymous Bloke 22.1

      1 August 2017 at 6:29 pm

      Patrick’s projection persists.
23. WILD KATIPO 23

    1 August 2017 at 5:38 pm

    Kat

    Helen MkII…..but with a smile!

    I actually did see glimpses of Helen tbh… when she took no rubbish from some of those idiots who’ve been needing a good clip across the ear for years. She can look and sound quite authoritative when she needs , yet happy to get back into her trademark humorous smile…

    I was quite impressed… man oh man… there will be blood and hair flying when its Pullyer Benefit’s time to be questioned…
    • One Anonymous Bloke 23.1

      1 August 2017 at 6:29 pm

      Um, it’ll be Davis vs. Bennett 😀

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