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Māori Mana deal in Te Tai Tokerau

Written By: - Date published: 12:18 pm, February 20th, 2017 - 165 comments
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As reported on Stuff:

Hone Harawira gets clear Te Tai Tokerau run for Mana not running against Maori Party in other seats

The Maori Party will not stand a candidate in Te Tai Tokerau against Mana leader Hone Harawira as part of a deal to claw back the Maori seats from Labour.

While Maori Party co-leader Te Ururoa Flavell holds the Waiariki seat – the other six are held by Labour MPs – including Harawira’s old seat, which he narrowly lost to Labour’s Kelvin Davis in 2014.

Under the agreement signed by the two parties in Whangarei on Monday, Harawira has agreed to not run any Mana candidates against the Maori Party in any of the other seats. …

Sounds like a good deal for the Māori Party, but…

Update: the Agreement between Mana and the Māori Party, and press releases are here

 

165 comments on “Māori Mana deal in Te Tai Tokerau”

  1. RJG 1

    Great deal for the Maori Party! I will be interesting to see how Maori/Mana try to convince Mana supporters to back the National Maori party candidates. If they instead back the Labour candidates, the Maori Party could be goneburger

  2. Good afternoon Willie J. Your role is clear.

  3. BM 3

    Labour can kiss the Maori seats goodbye, maybe not all of them this time around but certainly, they’ll be all gone in the next couple of election cycles.

    In an MMP environment, it makes a hell of a lot more sense for Maori to chart their own course.

    Staying attached to Labour is a poor strategy, over 50% of the time you’ll have absolutely no say in government, far better to just be a power block that goes into coalition with the government of the day.

    • garibaldi 3.1

      Even when Labour is in, BM , they do bugger all for Maori.

      • weka 3.1.1

        How come they won back most of the Māori seats then?

        • adam 3.1.1.1

          Split vote Maori Party and Mana, happened across the board. Also Tāmaki Makaurau was a 4 horse race with Marama Davidson who really did not campaign doing rather well. If Mana and the Māori Party were thinking long term, they would stand aside and let Marama contest that seat with Labour. I think she could take it.

          I’d also add, with Nanaia Mahuta, she has a lot of support. She would probably win if she stood independent, she wouldn’t though.

          • weka 3.1.1.1.1

            So the Māori who did vote Labour are stupid because Labour does bugger all for Māori? Not saying that’s what you are saying, but wondering what the rationales are upthread.

            • adam 3.1.1.1.1.1

              I think the conflict between Mana And the Māori Party, was strongly upsetting to the Māori electorate. So they made a rational choice to support a party which was not in open conflict, at least in the Māori caucus. Also labour picked some names.

              • Karen

                Names count Adam.

                As a Pākehā, I hesitate to make any comments in discussions on Māori electorates but I do know a bit about Tāmaki Makaurau. I am a big fan of Marama but I doubt very much that she would be able to win Tāmaki Makaurau from Peeni Henare.

                http://www.electionresults.govt.nz/electionresults_2014/electorate-67.html

                • adam

                  Karen, she ran on a campaign of actively discouraging people not to vote for her. Pretty outstanding she got over 3,000 votes.

                  What if she actually tried? What if Māori Party stood aside? The not labour vote is 11,000 odd.

                  • Karen

                    But the Māori Party are not going to stand aside for the Green Party. Why would they? Their candidate got more than twice the votes Marama got and they want to win seats for the Māori Party, not the Green Party.

  4. Tarquin 4

    I hope Kelvin Davis wipes the floor with him. I spend a fair bit of time in the far north and watched things go backwards at a high speed when Hone was the M.P. Hone and his family are like a disease, they thrive on discontent and divisiveness. I don’t agree with everything Kelvin does, but he’s an honest bloke who has done a lot for his electorate.

  5. Cinny 6

    Hone, those of the Red Road wait for you, so much knowledge you have to share, so much inspiration and experience, they need you now more than ever. Turn to the east at dawn and you will hear them, they speak to your spirit. A’ho Brave One.

    As much as I would love to see Hone back in the house, I feel he has greater things ahead of him than NZ Politics and suffering another defeat, especially at this stage in the cycle.

    As for the Maori Party

  6. Draco T Bastard 7

    I think we’re going to see the end of both Mana and Māori parties.

    Pity really, they both had promise as Left parties but one sold out to the RWNJs and the other got assassinated by the mainstream parties.

    • Cinny 7.1

      Totally agree

      • tc 7.1.1

        IMO Mana can come back whereas the maori party have work to do (spin and bs) having voted for housing sales amongst other efforts.

    • Wayne 7.2

      Draco,

      I know many like you think it is treasonous for the Maori Party to have anything to do with National (and I get pretty annoyed with your appellation RWNJ – do you think the only intelligent people are leftists and everyone else is a maniac).

      But the alternative was to lock themselves solely to Labour, pretty much as the Greens have done. Where has that got them? Basically sidelined for the entire twenty years of their existence.

      Isn’t one of the major advantages of MMP is that the new smaller parties don’t all have to rigidly tie themselves to one of the two major parties.

      I appreciate that Act is always going to with National, and if the Alliance still existed it would always be with Labour.

      But surely other parties have more choices than that. It applies to the Maori Party, and it should apply to the Greens, but in their case it doesn’t.

      The Maori Party has got significant gains, more than would have been the case if they had permanently aligned themselves to the left. And they have survived better than any other small party that has gone into government.

      If the only recipe for small parties to survive is to stay out of government, what then is the point of MMP. Surely it is to affect the make-up of government, not just to provide a speaking platform in parliament, but with no part in the executive.

      • garibaldi 7.2.1

        Wayne, the Greens stand for two things…. a sustainable future and social justice.
        On those grounds they cannot and will not go in with National.
        With regards to Hone, there is nothing, as far as I am aware , tying him to the Maori Party when he wins TTK. He will definitely have nothing to do with National and rightly so.

        • Wayne 7.2.1.1

          garibaldi,

          If that is what the Greens think, that the only path to social justice is through the left, well they will be stuck with Labour, welded on so to speak.

          But they will always be taking the risk of NZ First shutting them out.

          At least it sharpens the contest to know where parties stand.

      • Draco T Bastard 7.2.2

        Is the only choice for us to have a government?

        Personally, I think we should get rid of it.

        Parliament – yes, Government – no.

        Have the population discuss and suggest the policies that the parliament then enacts.

        And, yeah, all those gains that the mP have got over the years have left Māori generally worse off. That’s the problem with going into government with National – no matter the gains what National will always make the nation worse off.

        • red-blooded 7.2.2.1

          Draco, political parties ARE a means for people to discuss and suggest policies. People who want to do these things in a proactive way tend to belong to parties.

          If you’re unhappy with the vehicle of political parties, what structures and systems do you honestly think would be workable and effective? How would you ensure that the discussions were not highjacked by narrow interest groups? After all, most people don’t have the time, the inclination or (to be honest) the expertise to be constantly discussing and suggesting policies to some bunch of technocrats (which is what MPs would become). Any structures to enable such a system would quickly become hidebound and open to capture. How would this be an improvement on the status quo (ie, political parties)?

          • Draco T Bastard 7.2.2.1.1

            If you’re unhappy with the vehicle of political parties, what structures and systems do you honestly think would be workable and effective?

            Participatory democracy.

            How would you ensure that the discussions were not highjacked by narrow interest groups?

            That is what tends to happen with political parties. The rich can easily bribe/support a politician – they can’t do that for the majority of people.

            Please note: Representative democracy was designed to keep the rich in power.

            After all, most people don’t have the time, the inclination or (to be honest) the expertise to be constantly discussing and suggesting policies to some bunch of technocrats (which is what MPs would become).

            Then we need to change that. Less working hours, less financial stress and education open to everyone.

            Any structures to enable such a system would quickly become hidebound and open to capture.

            That is an assertion – got anything to back it up?

            How would this be an improvement on the status quo (ie, political parties)?

            I see it as us governing ourselves rather than being governed. We get to own the mistakes rather than blaming a political party of any hue.

            • red-blooded 7.2.2.1.1.1

              So, you get to sidestep my question about methods and simply say, “participatory democracy” but then demand backup for a statement I had already provided supporting reasoning for? Nice footwork! Of course, it still doesn’t answer any of my questions or reservations about your “it’s all so easy” approach. And, BTW, your reply is also full of unbacked assertions (eg that “representative democracy was designed to keep the rich in power”). Parliamentary democracy wasn’t the product of one designer or design group with a coherent aim to keep people disempowered – it’s evolved and been struggled over across generations, between genders and dominant and colonialised peoples.

              Simplistic answers often lack substance, Draco, and I asked to see some substance to support your glib comments. I still haven’t seen any.

              • Draco T Bastard

                So, you get to sidestep my question about methods and simply say, “participatory democracy” but then demand backup for a statement I had already provided supporting reasoning for?

                Participatory democracy.

                And, BTW, your reply is also full of unbacked assertions (eg that “representative democracy was designed to keep the rich in power”).

                Actually, you’ll find my reference for that on this site.

                Parliamentary democracy wasn’t the product of one designer or design group with a coherent aim to keep people disempowered

                Yeah, actually, it was. That clique of people are still in power and still trying to prevent power from devolving to the people. Why else do you think it took so long to change NZ to a proportional system and why both the National and Labour hierarchy are against dropping the threshold?

  7. Dot 8

    I did not think that I would ever see Hone Harawira moving to prop up a National Government.
    The Maori Party have been bad news for Maori by doing that.

    • BM 8.1

      It’s not propping up National, think a bit more laterally.

      It’s about controlling the Maori seats so Maori can be a power block and get the best deal for Maori whoever is in government.

      • Leftie 8.1.1

        Wake up BM, the Maori party have, by and large, lost control over the Maori seats, due to propping up National over the last 9 years.

        • weka 8.1.1.1

          How is Harawira propping up National?

          • Leftie 8.1.1.1.1

            My comment specifically mentions the Maori party that has supported National for almost 9 years. Hone, by aligning himself with the Maori party, particularly after saying he doesn’t support those that supports National, will be perceived as such, imo.

            • weka 8.1.1.1.1.1

              Perception isn’t reality, but it does beg the question of why you would promote a false perception.

              You replied to BM who was specifically replying to the previous comment that claimed that HH would prop up National.

              • Leftie

                Is it really a false perception that a vote for the Maori party is a vote for National?

                BM didn’t mention Hone specifically.

                • weka

                  “Is it really a false perception that a vote for the Maori party is a vote for National?”

                  It’s very clear that I am not talking about the Mp but Mana/HH.

                  Dot and BM are specifically talking about HH propping up National. You can of course clear this up once and for all, are you saying that HH will prop up a National govt?

                  • Leftie

                    But I have already given my opinion @ 8.1.1.1.1 etc, can’t see the sense in repeating it, we will only go round in circles like we always do on this subject. This deal between Mana and the Maori party is not a new surprise. It was pretty clear at Ratana that the lines had already been drawn, which has already been discussed at length, on a previous thread.

                    • Jenny Kirk

                      Yes – and the very fact that Mana and the Maori Party accompanied the National Party to Ratana this year – rather than go on with all the other political parties the next day – should be telling everyone just who Mana and Maori will be doing electorally – they are linking up with National. It’s as plain as daylight.

                    • Leftie

                      That’s exactly right, Jenny.

                    • weka

                      In the absence of you clarifying I will now assume that you believe that HH, if he wins, and thus Mana, will support the formation of a National govt post election.

                    • Leftie

                      Lol You can assume all you want Weka.

                    • weka

                      People usually dissemble for a reason. In your case, you look like you are spreading lies about HH as part of your support for Labour.

                    • Leftie

                      That’s not true, but you can think what you like Weka.

                  • red-blooded

                    Weka, if the fact that Mana will not be standing candidates in all but one electorate has the desired effect of allowing the Māori Party to take more of these (thus weakening Labour) and (partly as a result of this) National are again the largest party in parliament and get to form the government (to which the Māori Party would again align itself, even if Mana didn’t) then Harawira would – through this deal – be helping to prop up National. That’s not a complex chain of thought to follow, surely?

                    • weka

                      That’s what I was thinking, kind of, but that’s not the line that is being run here. What’s being run here is that Mana/HH are now siding with National. That might be true, but it seems unlikely given who Mana are, so I’d like to see people state it clearly and then present some evidence. Or just state it as an opinion that HH has gone from being the most left wing MP in parliament to one who will now support the formation of a 4th term RW neoliberal govt.

                      btw, I’m not sure that chain works exactly. I’m still not clear on the overhangs, but Labour losing the Māori seats held by the Mp doesn’t make them less likely to govern, because their MPs are made up off the list vote. Them losing TTT to HH the same, but HH having TTT and supporting a left wing govt actually increases the chances of Labour governing because it gives the left bloc another MP. I think. I’ll see if I can run the numbers through the calculator.

                    • Leftie

                      No Weka, what I keep saying is that the Maori party supports National, Hone aligning himself with the Maori party will give that perception.

                    • Leftie

                      +1000 Red-Blooded.

              • garibaldi

                Surely the MP and Mana parties are not amalgamating, they are merely accommodating each other. When the results are in they can go their own way.

                • red-blooded

                  Reply to weka, above (no reply function on that comment for some reason): I query your assumption that losing the Māori seats wouldn’t affect the number of Labour MPs. People tend mostly to give their electorate and party vote to the same party, so if the Māori Party carried more of the Māori seats again, it’s likely that their percentage of the national vote would increase, at Labour’s cost. Fewer party votes = fewer MPs. After all, I can’t see the Māori Party campaigning on the basis that people should vote-split and give their party vote to Labour, can you?

      • adam 8.1.2

        OMG I’m agreeing with BM.

        Slight caveat, I think Tāmaki Makaurau should be be green, actually more specifically Marama Davidson. She would make a better local MP any day of the week over do the occasional Mihi dude, Peeni Henare.

        Māori need to get the best deal for Maori, and quite frankly both national and labour are so wrapped up in their own world to actually do that.

        Most Maori, think this government has been bad, but that it could have been worse if not for the Maori Party. So leftie I think you well out of touch.

        Sheesh BM when did you turn all reasonable? 🙂

        • weka 8.1.2.1

          I think there is a fair amount of underming Labour in his comment to, but yep, he is right that it makes sense for Māori to work as a bloc to get a better deal in government. Whether that will actually work because of the Mp’s history remains to be seen. I’m finding your commentary on the various splits interesting too. There’s a Greens/TTT post up now too.

          • Chris 8.1.2.1.1

            Regarding your question earlier, weka, about whether the deal meant that Hone would be supporting National, well, the answer is yes, but only if the Mp are prepared to form a government with National. I cannot see how the Mp will be doing this after making this arrangement with Hone. The Mp have not said in so many words that their time with National is over. But given this deal with Mana, I’d bet my house on the Mp having well and truly decided already that they’ll be giving their support to Labour. It’s simple, really, because there’s just no way that Hone would have made such a deal if there was any chance at all that the Mp would be doing it again with Bill and his mates. The announcement today has told us in no uncertain terms who the Mp will be supporting come September.

            • weka 8.1.2.1.1.1

              Ok, two things. One is that I don’t see anything in the agreement that suggests that Mana have to do what the Mp do (or vice versa). So Mana could support Labour and Mp could support National post-election.

              Second, I think that the Mp will go with whichever side gives them the best deal. That could be National or it could be Labour. I hope that between now and the election that both Mana and the Mp will be clearer about this, but in reality the only people they need to be accountable to are Māori and their voters.

              I would like to see the Mp work with a left wing govt, not least because they’re the only party that supports best practice for our waterways. They say drinkable, Greens and Labour say swimmable. That’s huge IMO.

              • Chris

                Yes, there’s nothing in the agreement, but there doesn’t need to be because it’s between Mana and the Mp. More importantly, though, it’s not in the Mp’s interests to announce that now. If they did Maori wouldn’t get one single crumb from National’s table between now and the election. All bets would be off.

                The biggest indicator in all of this is that Hone would not sign up to anything that bolstered support for National. He hates them with a passion. That’s why there must’ve been a decision made by the Mp that their time with the nats has finished. Today’s announcement just beggars belief if that decision hasn’t been made. Anything else just defies all logic (not that that means anything these days!).

                • weka

                  It’s a good argument, and it makes more logical sense than much of the rest I’ve seen today.

                  I’m confused about this though,

                  “Regarding your question earlier, weka, about whether the deal meant that Hone would be supporting National, well, the answer is yes, but only if the Mp are prepared to form a government with National.”

                  Do you mean that technically Mana will have supported National in a de facto way because of the arrangement re the Māori seats? Rather than him actually wanting to support National? So a gamble of sorts, although what you say about what has really gone on seems much more likely.

                  • Chris

                    “Do you mean that technically Mana will have supported National in a de facto way because of the arrangement re the Māori seats?”

                    Yes. If Mana helps the Mp by removing the possibility of Mana splitting the vote and handing the seat to Labour (and of course by doing so the Mp actually win the seat) and that the Mp’s arrangement with the nats continues, Hone’s deal with the Mp bolsters the chances of another nat government. (For example, in Waiariki Flavell got less votes at the last election than Waititi and Sykes combined, and that one seat to the Mp kept them in Parliament.)

                    “Rather than him actually wanting to support National?”

                    That’s kind of my main point. Hone despises National. So any deal, I believe, could not be because he wants to support National.

                    But that’s also precisely why I believe that the Mp must have already decided not to go with National.

        • Leftie 8.1.2.2

          Adam is that why the Maori party is now down to just 1 seat? The Maori party have been sitting at the table with National for almost 9 years, what best deal have average Maori gotten in that time? I suggest, that the one being well out of touch, is you.

          • adam 8.1.2.2.1

            One seat, two MP’s. But why bother with facts when your meme works so well for you.

            You mean, apart from Whānau Ora, the extension of te reo broadcasting, a seat at cabinet, budget directed specifically for Māori, and a whole lot of good treaty settlements. Just off the top of my head.

            Yeah, but then again, maybe you don’t want to see.

            • Leftie 8.1.2.2.1.1

              What meme? And that didn’t actually answer the question though. Hasn’t Whānau Ora faced problems and is being underfunded? Who are the ones really benefiting from the settlements? Are average Maori seeing any benefits from those settlements? Is blindness your problem Adam, you can’t see that increasing levels of poverty and homelessness are deeply affecting Maori?

              • adam

                “Are average Maori seeing any benefits from those settlements?” Siding with ‘Don the fast becoming obsolete Brash’ I see with the framing of that question. Even asking it as you did shows how far down the rabbit hole you are.

                As for Māori in poverty and homelessness, what a pathetic argument from you. Māori have always been at the brunt of this neo-con nightmare. You are quick to blame the Māori Party and Nation, well on this one squarely labour did it too.

                If you think anything is going to change whilst you don’t listen to Māori voices, you are just part of the dam problem as well.

                • + 1 Good points well made adam

                • Leftie

                  Lol making things up Adam, I have never sided with Brash and never would. You don’t need to get abusive and huffy because you can’t answer what are relevant questions. So poverty and homelessness shouldn’t be brought up? So we are supposed to ignore that, are we? Have the voice of average Maori been listened to whilst the Maori party have been sitting at National’s table for almost 9 years?

                  • adam

                    So what next from you leftie – telling Māori what is wrong (no wait, check) and then telling Māori how to fix it (no wait, check).

                    Haven’t we been down this paternalist smug self-righteous road before – check.

                    If you think that Māori are facing anything new with this national government, then you are deeply deluded. Poverty and homelessness have been a constant part of colonialism. Even in the so called ‘good years’.

                    Māori need to have Māori solutions. Because white folk don’t get it, and white folk really ain’t got the solutions.

                  • Leftie

                    You are making up stores. I’m not telling Maori to do anything Adam, and isn’t that a smug self-righteous road you have put yourself on? Is average Maori better off with the Maori party sitting at National’s table for the last 9 years? Really, these are basic, straight forward questions that you appear unable to answer.

                    • adam

                      Are you really that thick leftie? Sorry to be blunt, but neo-con nightmare and at the blunt face of it, did that pass you by? Or was it to fancy a response for ya?

                      I think the last 40 odd years since the rise of the 4th Labour government has been hell for the majority of Māori. Do we need to mention the 5th labour government and the biggest land grab since the New Zealand wars?

                      Yet you have a bee in your bonnet about the last 9 years, woopty doo. It’s been way longer than that for Māori at the coal face of poverty. I’m guessing to get real solutions by Māori, for Māori, it will be some more time yet.

                    • weka

                      “Is average Maori better off with the Maori party sitting at National’s table for the last 9 years? Really, these are basic, straight forward questions that you appear unable to answer.”

                      How about you answer them then. Would most Māori have been better off with the Māori Party sitting on the opposition benches and having no Ministerial control over govt departments.

                      You may be right, but I haven’t seen a convincing argument made yet.

                      I’m also curious what you think the Mp should have done given its members wanted them to have an arrangement with National.

                      http://www.maoriparty.org/agreement_the_maori_party_and_national

                    • Chris

                      weka, the answer has to be no, but I think the Mp have realised that. The Mp didn’t go with the nats because nat policies aligned with theirs more than any other party. The Mp went with the nats because they believed greater gains could be made “inside the tent”. They were wrong, naive, they sold out – whatever we want to call it, but I think the Mp understand that now. There was also some important history that meant there was a score to settle with Labour, but that score’s been settled now by the Mp having told Labour they’re not to be fucked with.

                      The Mp’s general policy position is far more aligned with the left then with the nats. The Mp personnel has changed. Time’s moved on, lessons have been learned and scores have been settled. I think the Mp are moving back to where it belongs.

                    • weka

                      I hope so, and I’d like to see L/G work with both the Mp and Mana post-election.

                      But this whole thing about selling out. For conservative Māori, why would you not want to have someone whose party is based around Māori identity being the Minister in charge of a couple of govt departments that affect Māori?

                    • Leftie

                      But Adam, we are talking about the Maori party, are we not?

                      Weka, why should I? can’t Adam answer the questions, simple enough to answer, surely?

                    • Leftie

                      Does the Maori party represent all Maori?

                      Do Maori see the Maori party as a true independent voice after almost 9 years of propping up the National government?

                    • adam

                      Answered you questions leftie, now you are just being obtuse. Because nothing of what I have written, is abstruse.

                    • Leftie

                      No you didn’t answer the questions Adam, you avoided doing that.

                    • adam

                      “It’s hard to win an argument with a smart person, but it’s damn near impossible to win an argument with a stupid person.” Bill Murry.

                      If you can’t work out what being at the blunt face of the neo-con economic nightmare means, then I’m going to have to think of you in the later category.

                    • Leftie

                      To repeat, we are talking about the Maori party. Lol talk about avoidance, now you are posting abuse, and still not answering the questions! Give it up Adam, you obviously do not want to answer, fine, how long are we going to go round in circles?

                    • adam

                      Seriously dude, get a grip what has happened in the last 9 years is just an extension of what has been happening for the last 40 and longer. The Māori party, at least were trying to offer a Māori perspective, and you seem to have a problem with that. You have not offered up anything except a meme about propping up the national government.

                      You have dismissed Whānau Ora out of hand. You have shown a similar disdain for treaty settlements. You don’t want to talk about the biggest land grab outside the New Zealand wars. And most of all, you don’t want to talk about colonialism, which is why Māori are at the blunt face of this nightmare called neo-con economics or as others call it, austerity. Now to help you – blunt face, is homelessness, child abuse, alcoholism, unemployment, under employment, education, suicide and the list goes on.

                      This is the kicker about this economics, it’s going to keep producing these outcomes, and whilst labour and national are tethered to that economic model – Māori will suffer. So was it good that the Māori party supported a government who keep austerity at the forefront of economic policy, no. But and it’s a big but they had a mandate from their electorate and their members to be inside the tent and have Māori voices and opinions heard.

                      What worries me with your argument on this whole thread, is the disconnect you have from that reality, or a unwillingness to accept it. Also the way you will not look at the bigger picture. Again, prove me wrong. I’ve asked you to do that a few times now and you have not.

                    • Leftie

                      Sigh. We are talking about the Maori party covering it’s 9 years of supporting the National government. They were straight forward, simple questions that you continue to refuse to answer. It’s pretty clear why you won’t.

                    • adam

                      LOL.

                      I can’t help if you can’t read. Or lack basic comprehension skills.

                    • Leftie

                      Clearly that’s not true Adam, you are being lame and very infantile.

      • adam 8.1.3

        Can’t see Nanaia Mahuta losing her seat anytime soon BM. She one smart cookie, who has cross all the t’s, and dotted all the i’s.

      • AB 8.1.4

        Oh FFS! Whatever concessions the Maori Party might have won from National, they are dwarfed by the adverse effects on Maori as a whole of National’s right-wing social and economic policy. High unemployment, low wages, unaffordable housing, pro-employer labour laws, crippling student debt, rampant tax evasion at the top end but unavoidable PAYE for the workers, increases in the regressive GST, casualization or work, sadistic micro-management by WINZ etc. etc. All these things harm a lot of Maori terribly.
        A few crumbs thrown to the Maori Party by their lords and masters in National are nothing.

        • weka 8.1.4.1

          You do realise that National don’t need the Mp to be the government. So if the Mp had no agreement with National and was part of the opposition, then National would still be in power.

    • Leftie 8.2

      Agree Dot. Particularly after Hone said he wouldn’t support those that support National. He has gone back on his own words.

      • garibaldi 8.2.1

        Leftie ,Hone is NOT in the Maori Party. They are simply cooperating to try to get the Mana Party and the Maori Party into Parliament.

  8. weka 9

    I hope Hone Harawira gets back into parliament. He’s a good MP, and the left need rarking up.

  9. Peter Swift 10

    “Labour’s Kelvin Davis: A vote for the Mana Māori deal is a vote for National”

    That’s the crux of it. Hopefully the Maori roll will see it for the desperate, self serving politicking it is.

    The green/labour deal was implemented to change the government. This one doesn’t. This does the opposite.
    Should be an easy choice to vote labour to sweep the the Maori seats.

    • garibaldi 10.1

      I watched the antics of Kelvin Davis, Winston Peters and National in Te Tai Tokerau last election and was not impressed to say the least. Bring back Hone – a voice from and for the Left.

      • Leftie 10.1.1

        But will aligning himself with the Maori party that supports National, do that Garibaldi?

        • weka 10.1.1.1

          It’s probably his and Mana’s only way back into parliament. Doesn’t meant that he or Mana will support a National govt. Someone should ask him though.

          • Leftie 10.1.1.1.1

            Hone has made a deal with the Maori party, so definitely that question should be asked. Possible Catch 22?

            • DoublePlusGood 10.1.1.1.1.1

              Possibly a bit of Schrödinger’s cat – until they’re in parliament, you don’t know whether they’re voting left or right.

              Or maybe a bit of Heisenberg – the more accurately you know their political positioning, the less accurately you know how many votes they’re going to get?

            • garibaldi 10.1.1.1.1.2

              See above. A deal is not a combining of parties.

              • weka

                Yep. You’d think that a year out from the L/G MoU people would understand this by now.

                • Leftie

                  People understand, the Lab/Green MoU is about changing the government, but like you have pointed out, someone should ask Hone to clarify his position.

          • Jenny Kirk 10.1.1.1.2

            Look at who the Mana/Maori Parties aligned themselves with, at Ratana – that will tell you what they have in mind. The National Party.

            • Leftie 10.1.1.1.2.1

              Yes, exactly. As you pointed out in another comment, Hone and the Maori party walked with National, not the opposition parties.

              “Labour, Greens the New Zealand First and Gareth Morgan’s Opportunities Party walked onto the pa together.”

              “The National-led Government and the Maori Party attended the Ratana commemorations yesterday.”

              <a href="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&objectid=11787705

              • tony Kidd

                Isn’t that because they are in Government, no opposition?

                • Leftie

                  Sure, but Hone is not in government. If you want to change the government, why not walk with the opposition?

                  • weka

                    Maybe in Māori politics it’s not all about left and right.

                    • Leftie

                      🙂 always ends up that way though.

                    • weka

                      But Ratana is the end, right?

                      Edit, I meant to say Ratana isn’t the end, right?

                    • Leftie

                      Never said Ratana or anything else was the end.

                    • weka

                      Right. So Mana and the Mp go to Ratana together. People say this Means certain things. I say that a traditional L/R lens might not be the best way to understand this. You say it’s always L/R in the end. I say Ratana isn’t the end, ergo your point is meaningless.

                      I would also like to understand what happened at Ratana, amongst other things. But I’m not seeing any useful explanation in this thread about that.

                    • Leftie

                      Think what you like Weka. In regards to Ratana, it sure looked like the lines were drawn, what’s that saying about perception in politics is everything.

            • marty mars 10.1.1.1.2.2

              Who will align there wide and varied forces against Hone this election I wonder. Hmmm we’ll see if times change …

    • RJG 10.2

      100%. Maori party voted with National 93% of the time. Voted to sale state homes (which meant 205 sat empty waiting to sell, instead of housing people) along with backing budgets which saw money stripped from Health & Education. Talk from Mana figures outside of Ti Tai Tokerau has already seen wanting Labour, Green & Hone to take NZ forward. Tuku and his flash undies might have just cost the Maori party a place in the house

      • Leftie 10.2.1

        +1000 RJG.

      • Bearded Git 10.2.2

        @RJG

        ….and the MP voted to support National in f@#%ing up the RMA which means that development can be plastered over the NZ landscapes without public notification or the ability to appeal to the Environment Court.

        Because of this fact alone I will cheer if the Maori Party is wiped out.

        Kelvin Davis is talking bollocks. Hone will never go with National. If Hone wins his seat (TTT) that will be an overhang vote for the Left bloc. If Mana gets 1.4% that will be 2 seats for the Left bloc.

      • Ethica 10.2.3

        MP voted to remove disability rights and then denied it.

    • weka 10.3

      “Labour’s Kelvin Davis: A vote for the Mana Māori deal is a vote for National”

      Who exactly gets to vote on the deal?

      If he means that a vote for Harawira by Māori in Te Tai Tokerau is a vote for National, then I think he is deliberately lying and obviously self-serving.

      “Should be an easy choice to vote labour to sweep the the Maori seats.”

      I need to get my head around overhangs, but doesn’t Mana having a seat give the left a better chance of forming govt?

      • DoublePlusGood 10.3.1

        Well, that rather depends on whether Harawira is throwing his lot in with the Māori party and the Nats.

      • marty mars 10.3.2

        Im pretty sure that’s what it means – the fight will be tough up there and Kelvin knows this. This is a double-ended message imo too. Give him a high place please labour.

      • Jenny Kirk 10.3.3

        The question, Weka, really is : is Hone Harawira Left ? and what did he do for his people when he was in Parliament ? He did a lot of swanning around and made a lot of noise, but did he really do anything for Maori ?

        • garibaldi 10.3.3.1

          Jenny ,that is the usual throwaway line the Natz used on Hone. He was out there working with his people instead of trough feeding in Wellington by sitting moribund on his bum in Wellington like so many others do.

          • marty mars 10.3.3.1.1

            + 1

            Yep Māori will decide. Attack memes show the fear and that is known imo.

            • DoublePlusGood 10.3.3.1.1.1

              Well, I’m scared. I’m scared that the Māori party might get 3 or 4 seats and give their support to National so they can get to 61 on confidence and supply, and then National get three more years of wrecking the country. On current National polling, that’s not an unrealistic proposition if Sykes, Nikora and Greensill and others aren’t standing for Mana in their electorates.

              • weka

                Perhaps it’s time the left stopped slagging off the Mp then and considered that they might work with whichever party is going to advance their needs and policies best.

                Have the Mp ever had the chance to work with a Labour govt and chosen National instead?

          • Red 10.3.3.1.2

            Well stay and activist or become a social worker and don’t claim an mp salary ( which I suggest he sorely misses plus the free travel) An MPs job is to scrutinise , challenging, debate, developing and changing legislation plus representing the views of his constituents in parliament, not swanning around as a social worker, bother boy or as he sees fit As per some comments above HH was totally ineffective as an mp

          • red-blooded 10.3.3.1.3

            So can you answer the question about what he did, then, garibaldi? I seem to remember some fuss about expensive trips away etc. He had a lot more time out of parliament than most (and BTW the job of an MP involves representing their people in parliament – that’s not “trough feeding” or “sitting on their bums” – it’s their job). If he was achieving so much for the people to Te Tai Tokerau, then why did they give him the heave ho?

            • weka 10.3.3.1.3.1

              I thought electorate MPs were supposed to spend more time in their electorate, thus less time in parliament.

              • red-blooded

                Here’s an example of what I was vaguely recalling.
                http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/3037942/PM-Harawiras-white-tirade-deeply-offensive

                Note that the “white mother f-ers” tirade (really bad judgement) arose because he traveled overseas on parliamentary business but missed official engagements to take a side trip to Paris with his wife. If my memory is correct, he hadn’t given any notice that he wouldn’t be on the job, as expected. So, in this case at least, his reason for missing work time wasn’t anything to do with his status as an electorate MP.

                • weka

                  Ok, so that’s one example. Got any others? I’d like to see this history of him not working properly as an MP.

      • Peter Swift 10.3.4

        Even this far out it looks like it’s going to be a knife edge election. Mana, in doing this deal with the MP, for them to both win at labour’s expense, means that if it succeeds then labour are down up to 7 seats which drastically affects the chances of a positive outcome for most of us.
        That the MP are supporters of and partners with the national party enemy, isn’t a good look for mana.

        It remains true in general and the Maori electorates, if you want to change the government you have to vote for the labour candidate and party vote green or labour.

        Kelvin’s message is spot on.

        • weka 10.3.4.1

          “means that if it succeeds then labour are down up to 7 seats.”

          I can’t see how. Labour get their seats off the list vote. Losing the Māori seats might hurt their mana but it won’t lessen the number of MPs they have (unless their list vote drops so low that they are relying on electorate votes).

          I’ll do the numbers at some point but it still seems more likely that if HH took TTT then there would be more left votes in parliament not less.

          • Peter Swift 10.3.4.1.1

            And up to six MP votes to give to Bill.

            • weka 10.3.4.1.1.1

              But proportionality still decides who forms govt.

              • Peter Swift

                But this deal is still designed to give the nats support party six + MP seats. If the election is close, and it probably will be, given the MP stay true to form and deal for the promise of Bill’s beemer, it’s possible it could make the difference between changing the government or not.
                Given the likely outcome of the MP continuing to prop up national, Mana may just have well done a deal with Act or Dunne.

                But if left wingers on this site think it’s okay to gift seats to their hated political enemy, then like alt facts and fake news, it’s just a sign of the times where we have to hope common sense eventually wins through.

                • Peter Swift

                  So let us not under estimate the importance of how this dodgy deal could sour the pot for the labour/green collective at the election.
                  If Bill gets the significance of a couple of seats in a tight race, why doesn’t mana?

                  “As he himself said, “one or two seats will matter quite a bit in our MMP elections” and stripping from Labour one or two of its six Maori electorates could be crucial.

                  Sunday’s One News-Colmar Brunton poll sent a reminder to National – if one was needed – how tight the race is despite National’s strong polling … and how crucial English’s “one or two seats” could be.”

                  http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/opinion/89606960/english-punts-talk-of-electoral-deals-maori-seat-strategy-into-the-stands

                  • weka

                    I’d rather that Labour dealt with Mp and Mana than NZF.

                  • red-blooded

                    Peter, I don’t think we can call this a “dodgy deal” while celebrating that Labour-Green MoU. That’s obvious hypocrisy. I question the belief that this deal benefits the left in any way, but it’s not “dodgy” – it’s a transparent agreement with a stated aim.

                • Chris

                  The only logical basis for the deal is if the Mp has decided to ditch the nats. Hone would not have been part of anything that helps National back into power, especially something like this which could benefit the nats so hugely. The Mp must’ve cut themselves loose.

                  • weka

                    Or, Harawira is willing to take the gamble. That he gets into parliament but the right forms govt with the help of the Mp or not. Given that that is possible anyway, maybe it’s worth it. If it’s about getting a better deal for Māori on specific Māori issues, then he’s probably better in than out, and likewise the Mp.

                    • Chris

                      “If it’s about getting a better deal for Māori on specific Māori issues, then he’s probably better in than out, and likewise the Mp.”

                      Better in than out of Parliament or government? I don’t think Hone thinks that way about the government. The Mp may do, and they certainly used to. But I think even the Mp has changed its view on this, and today’s announcement only makes sense if they have.

                      I don’t think there’s any gamble going on, but there could be I suppose. Are you saying that the gamble would be Hone hoping that the numbers allow the Mp to be in government with Labour and Mana? And that if that gamble’s lost, the Mp goes with the nats?

                      That is an alternative to the Mp having cut the nats loose. It’s just that I don’t think Hone would be prepared to take that gamble. There’s also the other stuff, like the history between the Mp and Labour and that things may have thawed, together with the Mp probably understanding that the little gains they may say they’ve made don’t really cut it compared to the more pressing issues that’ve really come to a head over the last year or so and which the nats have showed no desire to address.

                      Ultimately, too, the Mp ain’t a bunch of neo-liberals. They adopted a strategy and that strategy failed. I think the Mp know that now. I think we’re in for a change on this front.

          • DoublePlusGood 10.3.4.1.2

            Beyond 2 seats, the Māori party would be creating an overhang in parliament. Mana the same – at least, based on last election’s polling.

    • Leftie 10.4

      +1000 Peter Swift

    • marty mars 10.5

      Yep those voters on the Māori roll will decide, and I can’t imagine many on here are on that roll thank the Gods. The time for the big white hand to cover the small brown hand is over – the white hand seemed bigger because you had it right in front of your face.

  10. Good strategic move from both parties even though I disagree with it on a few levels. As stated above, it is about getting those seats back and securing them.

  11. swordfish 12

    I’m not sure Hone will necessarily benefit all that much.

    Only 879 (38%) Maori Party Voters chose Maori Party candidate Paenga in 2014.

    The rest were evenly split between Harawira and Davis (MP voters incidentally played no role at all in Hone’s loss – while Davis certainly enjoyed a 10 point rise in Maori Party Voter support (relative to 2011) … they actually swung even a little more firmly behind Hone (up 11 points).

    All depends on how willing Te Tai Tokerau Maori Party Voters are to take their cue from the Party-Iwi leadership – based on their past voting patterns I have a feeling they’ll go their own way. Touch and go as to whether Hone benefits in a decisive way.

  12. rod 13

    Is it true that Hone’s deal with the Maori party ends the day after the election, as reported by the media. What is that all about? Anyone?

    • adam 13.1

      Standard deal that Hone made with IP as well. It means after the election can vote any way he, and any other Mana MP’s so chose.

      • marty mars 13.1.1

        I suppose their different party votes will ultimately determine the numbers once over the line. I wonder how many to get 2 mana mps in.

        • weka 13.1.1.1

          The Mp have 2 MPs on one electorate and 1.32% of the vote. However 1.32% of 121 is only 1.59 MPs, so maybe they round it up? 1.67% is the actual number that gets 2 out of 120.

          I wonder if Mana are being pragmatic here and focussing on the best plan on getting Harawira back in, and then building up again from that over the next term. That’s based on how the bigger parties believe that they need to stand in electorates to increase their party vote, so by that theory not standing in the other Māori seats might drop the Mana party vote. But, Māori vote in different patterns than Pākehā as far as I can tell, so maybe that is less of an issue.

  13. DoublePlusGood 14

    I think the two people worst off in all of this are Annette Sykes and Te Hāmua Nikora – they both got more than 5,000 electorate votes last time, among the most by minor party candidates (Flavell and Harawira leading that, after The Hair and Rimmer), and now they don’t get to stand for Mana.

  14. millsy 15

    I think people are conflating what is good for iwi, with what is good for Maori.

  15. weka 16

    [The Agreement and press releases are here for those that want to understand what the two parties are doing

    He Kawenata ki Waenga i Te Roopu MANA me Te Paati Māori

    – weka]

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    Oh dear. Extraordinary interview on PM with Andrew Bridgen and @EvanHD just now. Bridgen was defending Jacob Rees Mogg’s Grenfell comments. Evan asked him if JRM had meant to say he would have left ...
    6 days ago
  • Too Late To Change Capitalism’s Flightpath?
    Collision Course? In conditions of ideological white-out, the international bankers’ “Woop-Woop! Pull Up!” warning may have come too late to save global capitalism.WHAT DOES IT MEAN when international bankers are more willing to embrace radical solutions than our politicians and their electors? At both the International Monetary Fund and the ...
    6 days ago
  • Whooping cough vaccine works well despite its imperfections
    Pertussis (whooping cough) is a conundrum. It is a disease that was described hundreds of years ago and the bacteria that causes it (Bordetella pertussis) isolated in 1906. We have had vaccines for about 80 years but this disease is defiant in the face of human immunity. I wanted to ...
    SciBlogsBy Helen Petousis Harris
    7 days ago
  • Climate Change: Passed
    The Zero Carbon Bill has just passed its third reading, uanimously. In the end, National supported it - but we all know they'll turn around and gut it the moment they regain power. Meanwhile, I guess ACT's David Seymour didn't even bother to show up. I am on record as ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • Retailing of vaping products – New NZ Research
    Dr Lindsay Robertson, Dr Jerram Bateman, Professor Janet Hoek Members of the public health community hold divergent views on how access to vaping products or electronic nicotine delivery systems (ENDS) products should be arranged. Some believe ENDS should be as widely available as smoked tobacco and argue for liberal ...
    SciBlogsBy Public Health Expert
    1 week ago
  • Justice for Bomber
    When the Police were trying to cover up for the National Party over Dirty Politics, they went all-in with their abuses of power. They illegally search Nicky Hager's house, violating his journalistic privilege and invading his privacy. They unlawfully acquired Hager's bank records. They did the same to left-wing blogger ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • Britain’s climate tyranny was unlawful
    Last month, in response to a wave of protests by Extinction Rebellion, the British government purported to ban their protests from the whole of London. It was a significant interference with the freedoms of expression and assembly, and another sign of the country's decline into tyranny. But now, a court ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • More crime from the spies
    Last year, the Inspector-General of Intelligence and Security reported on significant problems with the intelligence warrant system. While they were unwilling to declare any warrant "irregular" (meaning unlawful) due to the recent law change, they were also not willing to give the system a clean bill of health. Now, they've ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • Vaccination, compulsion, and paternalism for the lower orders
    The National Party has come out in support of encouraging greater vaccination uptake. But it sure isn’t the way I’d do it. National’s suggested docking the benefits of those on benefit whose kids aren’t keeping up with their vaccinations. Some in National have suggested extending that to payments under Working ...
    SciBlogsBy Eric Crampton
    1 week ago
  • Global Protests Rage On: But Slogans Are Not Plans.
    Feeding The Flames: It is simply not enough to demand an end to “corruption”, or “inequality”, or the overbearing influence of the authorities in Beijing. These are just “lowest common denominator” demands: the sort of slogans that pull people onto the streets. They are not a plan.WHERE’S THE PLAN? Across ...
    1 week ago
  • 11,000 employed under Labour
    The labour market statistics have been released, and unemployment has risen to 4.2%. There are 115,000 unemployed - 11,000 fewer than when Labour took office. In that time the minimum wage has gone up by $2 an hour, which shows that the right's fears about increases causing unemployment are simply ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • Boycott this democratic fraud
    The Foreign Affairs, Defence and Trade Committee has called for submissions on Andrew Little's tyrannical Terrorism Suppression (Control Orders) Bill. Normally I encourage participation in the democratic process. I am not doing so in this case. Instead, I encourage all of you to boycott this submissions process, and to post ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • Why Mars is cold despite an atmosphere of mostly carbon dioxide
    Climate Explained is a collaboration between The Conversation, Stuff and the New Zealand Science Media Centre to answer your questions about climate change. If you have a question you’d like an expert to answer, please send it to climate.change@stuff.co.nz If tiny concentrations of carbon dioxide can hold enough heat ...
    SciBlogsBy Guest Author
    1 week ago
  • Climate Change: Ban private jets
    Aviation is one of the fastest growing sources of greenhouse gas emissions, and within it, one of the fastest sources is elite travel: billionaires flitting around the world in their private jets, spewing excessive pollution into the atmosphere just so they can avoid mixing with us dirty peasants. But in ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • Climate Change: Untold Suffering
    That's what we face if we don't stop climate change, according to a warning from 11,000 scientists:The world’s people face “untold suffering due to the climate crisis” unless there are major transformations to global society, according to a stark warning from more than 11,000 scientists. “We declare clearly and unequivocally ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • The left and violent misogyny
    by Phil Duncan Here’s just a few of the kind of threats issued day in and day out against gender-critical women – feminists, marxists, etc – overwhelmingly by MEN (albeit men identifying as women). “Kill all Terfs”. “Shoot a Terf today”. “All terfs deserve to be shot in the head”. ...
    RedlineBy Admin
    1 week ago
  • Imperialism and the iPhone
    This is the third of the synopses of parts of the opening chapter of John Smith’s Imperialism in the 21st Century (New York, Monthly Review Press, 2016). The synopsis and commentary below is written by Phil Duncan. Unlike the humble cup of coffee and t-shirt that we looked at in ...
    RedlineBy Admin
    1 week ago
  • The freshwater mussel housing crisis: eviction by invasive weeds?
    Tom Moore Traditionally a food source and cutting tool, freshwater mussels/kākahi are now widely valued as water filters that help clean our waterbodies and maintain ecosystem health throughout Aotearoa. The improvement they provide in water quality can make it easier for other animals to live in streams and rivers, as ...
    SciBlogsBy Guest Author
    1 week ago
  • Back it up Luxon: endorsing the destructive past is not actually the way forward
    And to think he gave all the potential goodwill away with that moronic, cult-like statement (repeated ad nauseam by many National hardliners) that Key is quite simply “the greatest PM we ever had”… Installation complete: this was nothing ...
    exhALANtBy exhalantblog
    1 week ago
  • Good riddance
    National MP and former Conservation Minister Maggie Barry will not seek re-election next year. Good riddance. Because in case anyone has forgotten, barry is a bullying thug who terrorised both public servants and fellow MPs. She is one of the people who makes Parliament a toxic workplace, and our country ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • Climate Change: D-Day
    The Zero Carbon Bill is back in the House today for its second reading. While this isn't the final stage, its still effectively D-Day for the bill. Because today, at around 5pm, is when we're going to find out if it has a majority, whether National will support it or ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • Winston is right
    Winston Peters is in court today, suing a bunch of former Minister and civil servants over their pre-election leak of his superannuation repayment. He's characterised the leak as malicious, and said that it is repugnant that his information was passed on to Ministers to use for political advantage. And he's ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • Media impartiality
    Sky's economics editor, Ed Conway has posted a Twitter thread responding to a claim that - as far as I can see - Labour never made:
    Are NHS operation cancellations at an all-time high? That's the impression you might have been left with if you read this story from the ...
    1 week ago
  • Finish what’s on your plate
    Murray Cox Do I have to finish my favourite genome? That’s an often-asked question. Geneticists generally strive to produce high-quality genomes that sequence every last gene, making full use of the state-of-the-art technologies coming on stream. Sequencing DNA means determining the order of the four chemical building blocks – called ...
    SciBlogsBy Genomics Aotearoa
    1 week ago
  • Gainful Employment: A Cautionary Tale.
    Transformative Politics: The idea is to turn each recipient into an unwitting accomplice in their own transformation. From interested observer to hyped-up activist, sharing our messages promiscuously with ‘friends’. You’ll be part of an ever-expanding circulatory system, Jennifer, for the ideas that will win us the election.”JENNIFER SKITTERED her chair ...
    1 week ago
  • New Zealand should not fund bigotry
    Two years ago, the Cook Islands government announced that it was planning to join the civilised world and decriminalise consensual homosexual sex between men. Now, they've reversed their position, and decided to criminalise lesbians into the bargain:Two years ago, in a step welcomed by many people including the gay and ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • New Fisk
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • More tyranny in Australia
    The boycott is a fundamental tool of protest. By choosing who we buy from, we can send a message, and hopefully change corporate behaviour. Historically, boycotts have been effective, for example over apartheid in South Africa and Israel, in forcing divestment from Myanmar, and in ending bus segregation in the ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • Submission for rationality and science against the assaults of pre-modernism and post-modernism
    Jan Rivers spoke at the Abortion Legislation Select Committee in favour of the bill, but in opposition to calls from other submitters to exchange the word ‘woman’ for ‘person’ throughout the bill. Jan is a supporter of the feminist group Speak Up For Women and has recently written an excellent ...
    RedlineBy Daphna
    2 weeks ago
  • My loyal readership of … Cam girls and Pornbots?
    I checked my traffic stats:I was intrigued by 'monica29' - who was this very dedicated individual?  I clicked on the link, to be greeted with ...Ho, hum.Spreadin' the word, spreadin' the word.  Doesn't matter who hears it, as long as it gets out there. ...
    2 weeks ago
  • Worth repeating forever
    There have been three polls since the election was announced, and I will shamelessly steal YouGov / UK Polling Report's Anthony Wells' summary of them:Survation – CON 34%, LAB 26%, LDEM 19%, BREX 12%, GRN 1% Ipsos MORI – CON 41%, LAB 24%, LDEM 20%, BREX 7%, GRN 3% YouGov ...
    2 weeks ago
  • Lutte Ouvriere on the explosion in Chile
    The following article is translated from Lutte Ouvrière, the weekly newspaper of the organisation usually known by the same name in France. When, for the second time this year, Chilean President Piñera announced an increase in the price of Metro tickets from 800 to 830 pesos, students in the high ...
    RedlineBy Admin
    2 weeks ago
  • Wage theft – I’m fucking over it.
    Today, a worker contacted me asking if she could go to the police over her employer stealing thousands of dollars from her in unpaid wages. The employer also did not pay this worker’s taxes or student loan which amounts to tax fraud. As a workers rights activist, who founded the ...
    PosseBy chloeanneking
    2 weeks ago
  • On The Rebound.
    Signed, Sealed, Delivered, They're Yours: Is there any person more vulnerable than a jilted lover on the rebound? Or, anything more certain than that the charmer, the predator, the glib spinner of lies and promises will seek such broken people out? Yes, of course, he will love every one of ...
    2 weeks ago
  • Rabbi urges congregation to vote against Corbyn
    Though Jonathan Romain is a fairly high profile Rabbi, writing in several papers and popping up on TV and the radio, this story doesn't seem to have made it to the Guardian yet, so I'll take the unusual step of linking the Stephen Pollard edited Jewish Chronicle:Rabbi Dr Jonathan Romain ...
    2 weeks ago
  • My absurdly optimistic prediction
    There's an election afoot, and that is when noted opinion formers such as myself get to make wild fools of ourselves by pretending we have the faintest idea what will happen.So, here is my absurdly optimistic prediction:Labour - 285Conservative - 262SNP - 53Lib Dems - 20PC - 5Ireland - 18 ...
    2 weeks ago
  • October ’19 – NZ blogs sitemeter ranking
    Image Credit: Increase Social Media Traffic & Website Traffic I notice a few regulars no longer allow public access to the site counters. This may happen accidentally when the blog format is altered. If your ...
    2 weeks ago
  • A mountain of a challenge in banning glyphosate
    Belinda Cridge I was reading my son a story last night. A great tale of derring-do of five mountaineers scaling the Matterhorn for the first time. One in the party had tried six times previously and failed, this was the last attempt before winter closed another season. They tried a ...
    SciBlogsBy Guest Author
    2 weeks ago

  • Kiwis to have their say on End of Life Choice
    Jenny Marcroft MP, Spokesperson for Health New Zealand First backs the public to decide on the End of Life Choice Bill via a referendum at the 2020 General Election. The Bill, with New Zealand First’s referendum provision incorporated, passed its final reading in Parliament this evening. New Zealand First Spokesperson for ...
    8 hours ago
  • Addressing miscarriages of justice
    Darroch Ball, Spokesperson for Justice New Zealand First is proud that a key Coalition Agreement commitment which will provide for a more transparent and effective criminal justice system has been realised. Legislation to establish the Criminal Cases Review Commission, an independent body focused on identifying and responding to possible miscarriages of ...
    1 day ago
  • Week That Was: Historic action on climate change
    "Today we have made a choice that will leave a legacy... I hope that means that future generations will see that we, in New Zealand, were on the right side of history." - Jacinda Ardern, Third Reading of the Zero Carbon Bill ...
    6 days ago
  • Tax-free deployments for Kiwi troops
    Darroch Ball, New Zealand First List MP A Member’s bill has been proposed that would provide income tax exemptions for all New Zealand Defence Force (NZDF) personnel while on operational deployment overseas. The Income Tax (Exemption for Salary or Wages of NZDF Members on Active Deployment) Amendment Bill proposed by New Zealand First ...
    6 days ago
  • A balanced Zero Carbon Bill passed
    Rt Hon Winston Peters, New Zealand First Leader New Zealand First is proud to have brought common sense to the Climate Change Response (Zero Carbon) Amendment Bill, which passed its final reading in Parliament today. Party Leader Rt Hon Winston Peters says months of hard work went into negotiating a balanced ...
    1 week ago
  • Paramedics’ status to be recognised
    Jenny Marcroft MP, Spokesperson for Health New Zealand First has listened to calls to recognise paramedics as registered health professionals under the Health Practitioners’ Competence Assurance Act (the Act). Today, the Coalition Government announced plans for paramedics to be registered as health practitioners under the Act, and the establishment of a ...
    1 week ago
  • Week That Was: 2,000 teachers in two years
    We began the week by commemorating the New Zealand Wars and celebrating a major increase in the number of teachers. Then, we were busy supporting offenders into work and getting our rail back on track after years of underinvestment. And that's just the start! ...
    2 weeks ago
  • Winning an election one conversation at a time
    In October I was sworn in as the Mayor of Lower Hutt. It’s the privilege of my life to serve Hutt people as their Mayor. There is something really special to be able to serve the community where I was raised, and where I live.   ...
    2 weeks ago
  • Closer cooperation with Korean horse racing industry
    Rt Hon Winston Peters, Deputy Prime Minister, Minister for Racing Racing Minister Winston Peters met with Korea Racing Authority Chairperson Nak Soon Kim in Seoul today to discuss closer cooperation between the New Zealand and Korean horse racing industries. As part of the visit to the Seoul Racecourse, Mr Peters witnessed ...
    2 weeks ago
  • Otago to lead digital creativity
    Hon Shane Jones, Minister for Regional Economic Development The Provincial Growth Fund (PGF) is investing $10 million to establish Otago as the centre of New Zealand’s creative digital industry over the next ten years, Regional Development Minister Shane Jones announced today. “The initiative will bring us closer to the vision of ...
    2 weeks ago
  • Young Otago students encouraged to take on forestry careers
    Hon Shane Jones, Minister for Regional Economic Development The Provincial Growth Fund (PGF)’s skills and employment programme will help young Otago people into long-term forestry careers, Regional Economic Development Minister Shane Jones announced today. Te Ara Mahi will invest $63,000 in the 2020 school year to support eight 17 and 18 ...
    2 weeks ago
  • PGF backing Dunedin’s waterfront ambitions
    Hon Shane Jones, Minister for Regional Economic Development The Provincial Growth Fund (PGF) will support local plans to revitalise and stimulate economic development opportunities in Otago, Regional Economic Development Minister Shane Jones has announced. The four Regional Economic Development Ministers have approved an in-principle investment of $19.9 million towards the region’s ...
    2 weeks ago
  • M. Bovis eradication progress welcomed
    Mark Patterson, Spokesperson for Primary Industries New Zealand First is pleased to have received the Technical Advisory Group (TAG) report on the Coalition Government’s Mycoplasma bovis eradication efforts, which shows significant progress in the fight against the disease. New Zealand First Spokesperson for Primary Industries, Mark Patterson, says the report’s findings ...
    2 weeks ago
  • PGF boosts Otago’s engineering and manufacturing sector
    Hon Shane Jones, Minister for Regional Economic Development Hon David Parker, Minister for Trade and Export Growth The Provincial Growth Fund (PGF) is investing to support economic growth opportunities for Otago’s engineering and manufacturing sectors, Regional Development Minister Shane Jones and Trade and Export Minister David Parker announced today. Almost $20 million ...
    2 weeks ago
  • Minister Peters discusses Pacific challenges and denuclearisation in Seoul
    Rt Hon Winston Peters, Deputy Prime Minister, Minister of Foreign Affairs Foreign Minister Winston Peters and his South Korean counterpart, Kang Kyung-wha, discussed in Seoul today opportunities to work more closely in the Pacific and the situation on the Korean Peninsula. Mr Peters and Minister Kang confirmed New Zealand and the ...
    2 weeks ago
  • PGF supports high speed broadband for marae at Parihaka Pa
    Hon Shane Jones, Minister for Regional Economic Development  Hon Nanaia Mahuta, Minister for Māori Development The three marae in the historic Parihaka Pa complex in Taranaki have been upgraded to high speed broadband with the support of the Provincial Growth Fund (PGF), Regional Economic Development Minister Shane Jones announced today. “Connecting the ...
    2 weeks ago
  • Advancing Pacific Partnerships 2019 launched
    Hon Ron Mark, Minister of Defence Minister of Defence Ron Mark will today launch the Advancing Pacific Partnerships 2019 Defence Assessment  during a speech at Te Papa.  The Assessment outlines how Defence will partner with our Pacific Island neighbours and invest in Pacific regional security architecture. The Plan aligns with the Coalition ...
    2 weeks ago
  • PGF funding could transform Gisborne company into “beacon of employment” in two years
    A new Provincial Growth Fund investment could create about 80 new jobs in Gisborne over the next two years, turning a local small business into a “beacon of employment” in the process. Regional Economic Development Parliamentary Under-Secretary Fletcher Tabuteau said the PGF’s Te Ara Mahi funding stream would provide $1.6m ...
    2 weeks ago

  • Streamlined business invoicing a step closer
    Streamlined payment practices are a step closer for Kiwi businesses with the formal launch of New Zealand’s e-Invoicing framework. Small Business Minister Stuart Nash says the government has now established the structure to enable automated and direct data exchange between the accounting systems of buyers and sellers. “The move to ...
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    17 mins ago
  • More frontline biosecurity officers protecting NZ
    Another 51 quarantine officers and four new biosecurity detector dog teams will help protect New Zealand from invasive pests and diseases this summer, says Biosecurity Minister Damien O’Connor. “The Government is delivering on its commitment to strengthen New Zealand’s biosecurity system and support our valuable primary sector “New Zealand’s flora, fauna ...
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    41 mins ago
  • NZ space economy worth $1.69 billion
    A new report has found New Zealand’s space sector contributed $1.69 billion to the economy in the last financial year and employs 12,000 people, Minister for Economic Development Phil Twyford announced today. The report by Deloitte was commissioned by the Ministry of Business, Innovation and Employment and shows New Zealand ...
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    50 mins ago
  • New Chair for Royal Commission into Abuse
    Judge Coral Shaw has been appointed as the new Chair of the Royal Commission into Historical Abuse in State Care and in the Care of Faith-based Institutions, Internal Affairs Minister Tracey Martin announced today. "Judge Shaw, who is currently one of the inquiry commissioners, is extremely well qualified for the ...
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    5 hours ago
  • Better mental health facilities for Palmerston North
    The Government has confirmed its third major mental health facility upgrade since the Budget, this time at Palmerston North Hospital. The Prime Minister and Health Minister today visited MidCentral DHB to announce that $30 million has been allocated to upgrade its acute mental health facility. It follows earlier announcements in ...
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    6 hours ago
  • Bowel Screening hits halfway point
    The roll out of the National Bowel Screening Programme has reached the halfway mark, with 10 out of 20 District Health Boards now part of the programme. MidCentral DHB, which covers Palmerston North, Manawatu and surrounding districts, this week became the latest to DHB to offer free bowel screening to ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    8 hours ago
  • More vaccines for meningococcal disease
    The Government welcomes PHARMAC’s decision to fund a vaccine to protect young people from meningococcal disease from 1 December this year. “Meningococcal disease is a serious threat which people at higher risk should be protected from,” says Associate Health Minister Julie Anne Genter. “The combined pharmaceutical budget was increased by ...
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    8 hours ago
  • Fisheries innovation projects supported
    Groups involved with innovative fisheries research projects are encouraged to apply for government support in the latest funding round from the Sustainable Food and Fibre Futures programme. Fisheries Minister Stuart Nash says the SFF Futures funding is designed to be flexible enough to support small or large projects across a ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    22 hours ago
  • Government fixes culturally arranged marriage visa issue
    The Government has fixed an issue affecting how Immigration New Zealand has processed visa applications for culturally arranged marriages, which will now see a consistent process applied which ensures people with legitimate arranged marriages can visit New Zealand while also preventing any rorting of the system. Earlier this year Immigration ...
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    1 day ago
  • Extension for Royal Commission into Mosque attacks
    The Royal Commission into the Attacks on Christchurch Mosques will report back on 30 April 2020 to give it more time to hear submissions and consider information, Internal Affairs Minister Tracey Martin announced today. The Royal Commission was originally scheduled to report back to Government by 10 December 2019. “There has ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 day ago
  • Terrorism and Trade on agenda as Foreign Minister visits the United States
    Foreign Minister Winston Peters will travel to Washington DC today to attend a ministerial meeting focused on defeating ISIS, and to continue pursuing New Zealand’s trade opportunities. Mr Peters will participate in a meeting of Foreign and Defence Ministers from key countries contributing to the Global Coalition to Defeat ISIS. ...
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    1 day ago
  • Hoiho get extra support alongside 168 community conservation groups backing nature
    The recently crowned Bird of the Year, the hoiho/yellow eyed penguin, is getting a much needed helping hand alongside more than 168 other community conservation projects announced Minister for Conservation Eugenie Sage today. 168 community conservation projects throughout New Zealand are benefiting from $8 million in government grants, including $500,000 ...
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    1 day ago
  • New safety measures for modified pistols
    Controls on assault rifles and semi-automatic firearms are to be broadened to include some types of pistols, under changes to a bill currently making its way through Parliament. Police Minister Stuart Nash has tabled a Supplementary Order Paper to the Arms Legislation Bill, which is currently before a Select Committee ...
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    1 day ago
  • Minister of Defence to visit Singapore and Thailand
    Minister of Defence Ron Mark will travel to Singapore today to conduct a counterpart visit and to co-chair the third annual Singapore-New Zealand Defence Ministers’ Meeting with his counterpart, Minister for Defence Dr Ng Eng Hen. “Singapore is one of our most important defence partners in the region, and our ...
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    1 day ago
  • Future secured for Salisbury School
    Nelson’s Salisbury School is to be rebuilt, creating a modern and suitable learning environment for students at the residential special school, Education Minister Chris Hipkins and Associate Education Minister Tracey Martin announced today. The school for girls aged 8-15, in Richmond, was earmarked for closure by National until the process ...
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    1 day ago
  • Resource management reform options released
    The panel undertaking a comprehensive review of the Resource Management Act has identified the main issues to be addressed and options for reform and is calling for feedback to inform its final report.  In July the Government announced the comprehensive review of the resource management system, including the RMA - ...
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    1 day ago
  • Criminal Cases Review Commission established
    An important safety valve has been added to New Zealand’s criminal justice system with the third reading of the Criminal Cases Review Commission Bill today. The Criminal Cases Review Commission (CCRC) will investigate claimed miscarriages of justice. “We’ve seen how our justice system can very occasionally get things spectacularly wrong, ...
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    2 days ago
  • Racing Industry destined to be on-track
    Racing Minister Winston Peters welcomes the tabling of the Racing Industry Transition Agency (RITA) 2019 Annual Report in Parliament today. He says the 2019 Annual Report marks the point when New Zealand’s racing industry’s decline was arrested and a turnaround started. RITA’s 2019 Annual Report recorded an industry net profit ...
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    2 days ago
  • New Zealand firefighter support to Queensland
    The New Zealand Government is today sending 21 firefighters to help fight the ongoing catastrophic Australian bushfires. “The fires in Australia are in some of the toughest, most challenging conditions ever,” says Internal Affairs Minister Tracey Martin.  “As of yesterday morning, there were 100 active bushfire-related incidents across Queensland and ...
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    2 days ago
  • Supporting all schools to succeed
      More frontline support for schools through a new education agency, as part of a redesigned Ministry of Education More support for principals and school boards including through a new centre of leadership and local leadership advisor roles New independent disputes panels for parents and students Management of school property ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    2 days ago
  • Reform to support better outcomes for Māori learners and whānau
    The Government’s reform of the Tomorrow’s Schools system is a watershed moment in education and an opportunity to create meaningful change for ākonga Māori and their whānau, Associate Education Minister Kelvin Davis said today. “Last year through Kōrero Mātauranga | Education Conversation, Māori teachers, parents, ākonga, whānau, hapū and iwi ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    2 days ago
  • Infrastructure pipeline growing
    Infrastructure Minister is welcoming the first of many updated project pipelines from the newly established New Zealand Infrastructure Commission today. The New Zealand Infrastructure Commission, Te Waihanga, has released an expanded pipeline of major capital projects – another crucial step towards delivering better infrastructure outcomes. “The first iteration of the ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    2 days ago
  • Tighter firearms law to further improve safety
    Tougher gun laws designed to improve public safety through firearms prohibition orders are proposed in a new document released for public input. Police Minister Stuart Nash says firearms prohibition orders (FPOs) would give new powers to Police to ensure high-risk individuals come nowhere near firearms. “We have already prohibited the ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    3 days ago
  • New TVNZ chair & directors confirmed
    Andy Coupe has been confirmed as TVNZ’s new Board Chair. “Mr Coupe has strong commercial and capital markets experience and TVNZ has benefited from his technical knowledge of business and finance, as well as his extensive governance experience,” the Minister of Broadcasting, Communications and Digital Media Kris Faafoi said.  Andy ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    3 days ago
  • Hutt Road cycle path officially opened
    Associate Minister of Transport Julie Anne Genter today officially opened a separated pathway, following the completion of the Kaiwharawhara Stream bridge, which will improve safety for cyclists and pedestrians along Hutt Road.  The $6.8m Hutt Road project provides a separated path for cycling and pedestrians, the replacement of informal parking ...
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    3 days ago
  • Announcement of new Ambassador to Russia
    Foreign Affairs Minister Winston Peters today announced the appointment of career diplomat Si’alei van Toor as New Zealand’s next Ambassador to Russia. “I’m pleased to appoint Ms van Toor to this position. She brings a wealth of experience to the role having previously served as Senior Trade Adviser to the ...
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    6 days ago
  • Half Year Economic and Fiscal Update
    The Treasury’s 2019 Half Year Economic and Fiscal Update (HYEFU) will be released on Wednesday December 11, Finance Minister Grant Robertson says. The Coalition Government will publish the 2020 Budget Policy Statement at the same time, outlining the priorities for Budget 2020. Further details on arrangements for the release will ...
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    6 days ago
  • Giving a Boost to Kiwi small businesses
    A new initiative to better support small businesses through hands-on mentoring and advice has been launched by the Minister for Small Business. The first event in the Kiwi Business Boost series of regional workshops and online tools has been launched in Wairoa by Stuart Nash. “The Business Boost initiative combines ...
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    6 days ago
  • Nearly three quarters of Rolleston connected to UFB
    The latest Quarterly Connectivity Report shows that more and more New Zealanders are moving to Ultra-fast Broadband (UFB), with Rolleston having the highest uptake at 74 per cent, as at the end of September. “This means that nearly three quarters of Rolleston’s households and businesses have moved to ultra-fast services. ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    6 days ago
  • Historic day for landmark climate change legislation in New Zealand
    The passing of the Climate Change Response (Zero Carbon) Amendment Bill will help ensure a safe planet for our kids and grandkids, the Minister for Climate Change James Shaw said today. The landmark legislation which provides a framework to support New Zealanders to prepare for, and adapt to, the effects ...
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