Most allegations against Julian Assange dropped

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1. Tory 1

   18 August 2015 at 6:55 pm

   Assange is “not trapped”, he can leave at any time.
   • Colonial Viper 1.1

     18 August 2015 at 6:58 pm

     Yes he can leave for Guantanamo Bay or Fort Bragg, at any time.
     • lurgee 1.1.1

       19 August 2015 at 6:41 am

       Nonsense. He was living at an English stately home for months, under orders to report to a police station daily, before he decided he preferred Ecuadorian hospitality. If he was going to bundled into any helicopters and rendered to Bulgaria, it would have been easy enough to do it then.

       Wikileaks has done some useful work but don’t confuse the organisation with the pathetic figure of Assange.
       • Matthew Whitehead 1.1.1.1

         19 August 2015 at 5:46 pm

         Yeah sure, that’s why they spied on the ecuadorian embassy.

         I think the allegations are serious and that there’s legitimate questions to answer, but it’s also ridiculous anyone’s talking about extraditing assange to the USA, too, which seems to be what is behind the attempts to extradite Julian to Sweden.
   • Weepus beard 1.2

     18 August 2015 at 6:59 pm

     …and walk straight into the 12 million quid police cordon?
     • McFlock 1.2.1

       18 August 2015 at 9:43 pm

       don’t forget how much he had his friends post as bail which he skipped on.
2. Tory 2

   18 August 2015 at 8:05 pm

   Conspiracy theories are great as you don’t need to supply evidence, just opinion. At the end of the day all will be revealed in 2020, unless Assange chooses to leave before then.
   • Weepus beard 2.1

     18 August 2015 at 8:23 pm

     What’s happening in 2020? That when you leave primary school?
   • Draco T Bastard 2.2

     18 August 2015 at 8:26 pm

     The point you seem to be missing is that the evidence that we do have is heavily indicative of an actual conspiracy against Assange.
   • lprent 2.3

     18 August 2015 at 8:28 pm

     Making up bullshit theories like that is easy as well.

     The US has a strong history of extracting people illegally from other countries and shoving them in front of kangaroo courts or just holding them without any charges or court appearances. They do it with the complicity of gutless idiots like you who tend to regard accusations as being a conviction.

     And could you please be less of a idiot, and actually use the reply button.
   • Colonial Viper 2.4

     18 August 2015 at 8:29 pm

     can you read? try reading the post and making a relevant comment.
   • Anne 2.5

     18 August 2015 at 8:30 pm

     Colonial Viper writes a post based on the facts as we know them, and supplies links to back the evidence and Tory mumbles… Conspiracy theories are great as you don’t need to supply evidence, just opinion. The fall back position of mentally challenged ‘tories’ who can’t produce a cogent opposing argument.
3. Chooky 3

   18 August 2015 at 8:22 pm

   +100 Good Post…the consensus amongst human right groups and feminists is that he was set up…even the women concerned in Sweden deny making charges he raped them

   …here is Assange interviewed

   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iX2FDs8zswc
   • just saying 3.1

     18 August 2015 at 10:49 pm

     i can’t really be bothered – but links for that consensus?
     Also, the charges came from the testimony of the women….
     Still, don’t let the facts get in the way of a good story.
     • Colonial Viper 3.1.1

       19 August 2015 at 9:08 am

       just noting that no charges have been laid against Assange by the prosecutor, even after 5 years.
       • just saying 3.1.1.1

         19 August 2015 at 9:40 am

         I was asking Chooky to verify two claims s/he made in the above comment.
         No proof has been forthcoming.
         • Chooky 3.1.1.1.1

           19 August 2015 at 10:03 am

           @ just saying…where have you been?…certainly NOT following this story

           http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2012/aug/23/women-against-rape-julian-assange

           http://johnpilger.com/articles/assange-the-untold-story-of-an-epic-struggle-for-justice

           http://johnpilger.com/articles/the-siege-of-julian-assange-is-a-farce-a-special-investigation

           “According to documents released by Snowden, Assange is on a “Manhunt target list”. Washington’s bid to get him, say Australian diplomatic cables, is “unprecedented in scale and nature”. In Alexandria, Virginia, a secret grand jury has spent four years attempting to contrive a crime for which Assange can be prosecuted. This is not easy. The First Amendment to the US Constitution protects publishers, journalists and whistleblowers….

           “One of the women’s messages makes clear that she did not want any charges brought against Assange, “but the police were keen on getting a hold on him”. She was “shocked” when they arrested him because she only “wanted him to take [an HIV] test”. She “did not want to accuse JA of anything” and “it was the police who made up the charges”. (In a witness statement, she is quoted as saying that she had been “railroaded by police and others around her”.)

           Neither woman claimed she had been raped. Indeed, both have denied they were raped and one of them has since tweeted, “I have not been raped.” That they were manipulated by police and their wishes ignored is evident – whatever their lawyers might say now. Certainly, they are victims of a saga worthy of Kafka.

           For Assange, his only trial has been trial by media. On 20 August 2010, the Swedish police opened a “rape investigation” and immediately – and unlawfully – told the Stockholm tabloids that there was a warrant for Assange’s arrest for the “rape of two women”. This was the news that went round the world.

           In Washington, a smiling US Defence Secretary Robert Gates told reporters that the arrest “sounds like good news to me”. Twitter accounts associated with the Pentagon described Assange as a “rapist” and a “fugitive”.

           Less than 24 hours later, the Stockholm Chief Prosecutor, Eva Finne, took over the investigation. She wasted no time in cancelling the arrest warrant, saying, “I don’t believe there is any reason to suspect that he has committed rape.” Four days later, she dismissed the rape investigation altogether, saying, “There is no suspicion of any crime whatsoever.” The file was closed.

           ….Katrin Axelsson and Lisa Longstaff of Women Against Rape wrote: “The allegations against [Assange] are a smokescreen behind which a number of governments are trying to clamp down on WikiLeaks for having audaciously revealed to the public their secret planning of wars and occupations with their attendant rape, murder and destruction… The authorities care so little about violence against women that they manipulate rape allegations at will. [Assange] has made it clear he is available for questioning by the Swedish authorities, in Britain or via Skype. Why are they refusing this essential step in their investigation? What are they afraid of?”

           http://www.rt.com/op-edge/212411-assange-wikileaks-whistleblowers-usa/

           http://johnpilger.com/videos/julian-assange-in-conversation-with-john-pilger
           • just saying 3.1.1.1.1.1

             19 August 2015 at 10:33 am

             The articles you have cited were disputed at the TS and many other places at the time (and long afterwards). Feel free to use the search engine.

             Women against rape is a small group and does not constitute anything like a consensus of feminists and human rights groups.

             I think many of us are sick to death of having the same arguments over and over, like some sort of ground-hog day.

             I find it wearying that some of the same people are coming back to make the same arguments, feigning being babes in the woods – as if they had never heard the counterarguments. That strikes me as dishonest. Continue to disagree by all means, but be honest about it.
             • marty mars …

               19 August 2015 at 11:25 am

               + 1
             • Chooky …

               19 August 2015 at 12:38 pm

               My citations and links speak for themselves and there are many , many others from the women concerned and those others sceptical of the accusations made against Assange

               ….where are your citations ?….you dont have any credible ones…they have all been discredited and that is why you refuse to put them up!….makes me think you are disingenuous and a tr..l

               …interesting that those crying rape against Julian Assange are not the women concerned or feminist groups against rape….but males with a political agenda to get Assange

               …are you putting words and false accusations into these women’s mouths and using them for your own ends?…in which case it is you who are disrespecting, if not abusing, women
               • just saying …

                 19 August 2015 at 1:57 pm

                 interesting that those crying rape against Julian Assange are not the women concerned or feminist groups against rape….but males with a political agenda to get Assange
                 LOL

                 The women concerned have not retracted their statements – the statements from which the charges were laid. Of course they are “crying” rape.

                 But I’m not going to bother with what is rape. Google it if you’d like to know
                 • Colonial Rawshark …

                   19 August 2015 at 3:02 pm

                   Just noting again that no charges – none at all – have been laid against Assange.
                   • McFlock …

                     19 August 2015 at 3:14 pm

                     Only because in Sweden formal charges are laid immediately going before the courts, rather than earlier in the process as under UK law.

                     Assange tried the “no charges have been laid” gambit in his extradition hearings, and the British courts called bullshit on it.
                   • Colonial Rawshark …

                     19 August 2015 at 3:57 pm

                     No charges McFlock. And not only that, investigations are now going away too. That’s how politically motivated and hamfisted the Swedish prosecutor has been in her judgement.

                     Time is proving that the original Swedish prosecutor was right in her judgement: Assange has no case to answer to.
                   • McFlock …

                     19 August 2015 at 4:25 pm

                     You’re recycling old propaganda:

                     Although it is clear a decision has not been taken to charge him, that is because, under Swedish procedure, that decision is taken at a late stage with the trial following quickly thereafter. In England and Wales, a decision to charge is taken at a very early stage; there can be no doubt that if what Mr Assange had done had been done in England and Wales, he would have been charged and thus criminal proceedings would have been commenced. If the commencement of criminal proceedings were to be viewed in this way, it would be to look at Swedish procedure through the narrowest of eyes. On this basis, criminal proceedings have commenced against Mr Assange.

                     My bold.

                     Your line that there are no charges suggests that there is no case for Assange to answer. This is patently false.

                     The investigations are not “going away”. They are becoming redundant because Assange has purposefully fled justice for longer than the period stipulated in the statute of limitations. This says nothing about the prosecutor, but much about Assange.
                   • Colonial Rawshark …

                     19 August 2015 at 4:32 pm

                     And the fierce criticisms of the poor conduct of the Swedish Prosecutor from the Swedish Bar Association, the Swedish Court of Appeals and others, McFlock?

                     Glad you hold the work of the Swedish prosecutor in high esteem though.
                   • McFlock …

                     19 August 2015 at 4:43 pm

                     Get all the more fierce whenever you try to change the subject away from your oft-repeated inaccuracies.

                     Maybe Ny should have pursued the case with more alacrity rather than letting him sit in his self-imposed cell. That doesn’t mean there is no case to answer and no substance to the allegations.

                     But then it’s perfectly possible for someone who does good work to also be imperfect and make mistakes.
                   • Colonial Rawshark …

                     19 August 2015 at 5:35 pm

                     McFlock, you personally dislike Assange and all that he stands for; I think the criticisms of the Swedish prosecutor by legal authorities in Sweden are well founded and Assange is paying a high price for her lack of “alacrity.”

                     That doesn’t mean there is no case to answer and no substance to the allegations.

                     The case is going away bit by bit.

                     I wouldn’t be surprised if the Swedish prosecutor Ny runs down the clock on the rest of the allegations as well.

                     The first Swedish prosecutor had it right when she decided that Assange had no case to answer.
                   • McFlock …

                     20 August 2015 at 12:52 pm

                     you personally dislike Assange and all that he stands for

                     Where do you get that from? I don’t even know the man. And wikileaks has done a tremendous global public service.
                     I just wish he had the integrity to face justice, rather than fleeing to the shelter of America’s closest ally and then jumping bail when he lost the extradition hearing.

                     Ny isn’t the one sitting in an Ecuadorean embassy. Now was Ny the one who demanded a bilateral treaty in order to arrange for the criminal interview of one individual when multiple multilateral treaties already cover the process.

                     I think I read somewhere that the UK is worried they’ll spend another ten million watching a bail-jumper, so might be chalenging the legality of the asylum claim given that the criminal investigation is not political. Assange is obviously set to stay there another five years, otherwise.
                 • les …

                   19 August 2015 at 3:33 pm

                   didn’t the Swedish prosecutor say one of the women didn’t know what rape was …because she wasn’t a lawyer!:)
                   • McFlock …

                     19 August 2015 at 3:35 pm

                     Don’t think so. Where did you get that tidbit?
                   • les …

                     19 August 2015 at 4:04 pm

                     ‘Within days of the chief prosecutor’s dismissal of the case, Borgstrom, a lawyer, announced to the media that he was representing the two women and had sought a different prosecutor in the city of Gothenberg. This was Marianne Ny, whom Borgstrom knew well, personally and politically. – See more at: https://newmatilda.com/2015/07/31/julian-assange-untold-story-epic-struggle-justice#sthash.TwZN0GpV.dpuf‘

                     ‘Borgstrom was asked by a Swedish reporter why the case was proceeding when it had already been dismissed, citing one of the women as saying she had not been raped. He replied, “Ah, but she is not a lawyer.” Assange’s Australian barrister, James Catlin, responded, “This is a laughing stock… it’s as if they make it up as they go along.” – See more at: https://newmatilda.com/2015/07/31/julian-assange-untold-story-epic-struggle-justice#sthash.TwZN0GpV.dpuf‘
                   • Tracey …

                     19 August 2015 at 4:12 pm

                     I don’t know about Sweden’s Legal system but I know in NZ that victims don’t determine if a charge is laid, the police do, taking into account a number of things from victim’s view to definition’s under the law. perhaps that is what the prosecutor meant (not that I am in her head)
                   • Colonial Rawshark …

                     19 August 2015 at 4:13 pm

                     My lawyers in Sweden, Per E. Samuelson and Thomas Olsson, were able to review the phone records that are part of the investigation, including SMS traffic between the two women and between SW and some of the witnesses. My lawyers notified me via email on 8 December 2011 of the content of twenty-two of these messages.109

                     While the younger woman was at the police station on 20 August 2010, her phone records show that she wrote that she:

                     did not want to put any charges on JA but that the police were keen on getting a grip on him (sv: få tag på honom) (14:26);110

                     and that

                     she was “chocked [sic: shocked] when they arrested JA because she only wanted him to take a test (17:06)”.111

                     The woman concerned told a friend that she felt that she had been “railroaded by police and others around her”, according to the latter’s police statement.112

                     According to the younger woman’s phone records, who the ‘rape’ allegation is associated to, she wrote at 07:27 on 21 August 2010 that she

                     “did not want to accuse JA for anything”;

                     and at 22:25 that

                     “it was the police who made up the charges”.113

                     Although the police initially opened an investigation into ‘rape’ in relation to woman AA, there was no allegation in her testimony that she had been raped. She expressed in her statement to the police that she consented to sex (“frivilligt gått med på att ha sex med Assange”) and subsequently tweeted on 22 April in 2013 “I have not been raped”.114

                     This was from an affadavit submitted by Julian Assange and his legal team.

                     https://wikileaks.org/IMG/html/Affidavit_of_Julian_Assange.html#efmNdPNvM
                   • McFlock …

                     19 August 2015 at 4:16 pm

                     So no, the prosecutor did not say that.
                   • les …

                     19 August 2015 at 4:26 pm

                     no the prosecutor did not actually say that.The lawyer that advocated for Ny to become prosecutor said it.@Tracey ,the Police surely have to determine the likelihood of a prosecution succeeding if a charge is laid on the basis of hard evidence pertaining to a complaint/allegation.
                   • McFlock …

                     19 August 2015 at 4:47 pm

                     The women’s own lawyer said that, yes.

                     Of course, maybe the legal definition of rape is not the same as the popular definition in sweden, so it’s perfectly possible for both to be correct. Maybe she thought she could consent to sex while unconscious, or something.
             • One Anonymous Bloke …

               19 August 2015 at 2:51 pm

               +1
4. McFlock 4

   18 August 2015 at 9:59 pm

   Hey, those other 44 people interviewed in the UK: how many had diplomats insisting on written terms before a simple interview?

   If Assange wants to confine himself for another five years, who cares. Running to the UK because you’re afraid of rendition is pretty unbelievable, IMO. Germany, France maybe. The USA’s closest ally? yeah, nah.

   edit: BTW, “dropped” is a bit inaccurate. The official investigations have been stopped because he’s waited for the stature of limitations to expire.
   • Colonial Viper 4.1

     18 August 2015 at 10:19 pm

     the prosecution waited for the statute of limitations to expire. You should be asking why the Swedish Prosecutor made such a huge deal of the case when she re-launched it then sat on her hands waiting for the clock to run down. Then again it was crystal clear back in 2010 that she was acting as if she was politically compromised and had no interest in justice per se.

     Now time has shown that with these allegations she apparently had no real case to proceed with (which by the way is exactly as the original Swedish prosecutor had determined).
     • McFlock 4.1.1

       18 August 2015 at 10:26 pm

       That’s a lot of tea-leaf reading you have there.

       BTW, how many of those 44 interviews were of people in UK police custody, rather than being sheltered in an embassy?
       • Colonial Viper 4.1.1.1

         18 August 2015 at 10:33 pm

         i included the diplomatic communique from Ecuador to Sweden, just for you, McFlock. Obviously, the Swedish prosecutor has run the clock down on Assange, while seeing fit to interview dozens of others in the UK during the very same time period.

         Its almost like Swedish authorities travelling to London were instructed NOT to question Assange, even though he was literally just a cab ride away.
         • McFlock 4.1.1.1.1

           18 August 2015 at 11:07 pm

           Almost but not quite.

           Protip: nonsensical demands are not a sign of diplomatic good faith.
           • Pascals bookie 4.1.1.1.1.1

             19 August 2015 at 8:57 am

             Oh, weird how that wasn’t in the OP.
             • Colonial Viper …

               19 August 2015 at 9:05 am

               thats just the Swedes making last moment noises with no evidence, to save face on their many years of compounding prosecutorial errors.

               Julian Assange has never, and would never seek, asylum in Sweden because he views that country as being thoroughly under US influence with a politically compromised legal system.
               • Pascals bookie …

                 19 August 2015 at 9:26 am

                 Funny how the Ecuadorian Embassy had no comment to rebut it then. I guess rt news is more reliable than Reuters?
                 • Colonial Viper …

                   19 August 2015 at 10:36 am

                   i have no doubt Reuters correctly reproduced what the Swedish official claimed.
                   • Pascals bookie …

                     19 August 2015 at 11:03 am

                     Why no rebuttal though? If it’s just spin, and the Embassy didn’t turn the prosecutor away, why the silence about it?
                   • Colonial Rawshark …

                     19 August 2015 at 11:51 am

                     Reuters didn’t do any independent fact checking of the Swedish claims – they just repeated them.

                     As for Ecuador – why would they play games of megaphone tag in the media with Sweden, which appears desperate to save face on their 5 year prosecutorial fuck up.
                 • Arbed …

                   22 August 2015 at 8:53 pm

                   Ecuador did make a rebuttal, a very strong one.

                   http://www.cancilleria.gob.ec/deputy-foreign-minister-xavier-lasso-rejects-statements-made-by-british-minister-swire/

                   Assange had agreed in April interview dates of 17/18 June. However, the Swedish prosecutor sent her formal request to Ecuador to enter its embassy and use its premises on 12 June, at 17:35 after the working day was over. Following the weekend, this gave Ecuador 2 days in which to process it. The prosecutor knew on 16 June that the formal permission was not yet in place. We know all this because the correspondence between the prosecutor and Assange’s defence team and between Ny and Ecuador has been released under FOIA requests:

                   http://www.scribd.com/doc/272977456/Assange-Marianne-Ny-Undermattan-2015-4
                   (as you can see, she is trying to set all sorts of obstructive pre-conditions, ie. wanting a 2nd DNA sample instead of using the one held on the UK’s database since Assange was arrested in December 2010)

                   Despite the fact she knew her request to Ecuador had been too late, she decided to send a junior prosecutor anyway, together with tipping off a photographer from Swedish tabloid Expressen to capture the moment her junior was “turned away”. Things didn’t go according to Ny’s plan, however:

                   https://justice4assange.com/Prosecutor-cancels-Assange-meeting.html

                   Eyewitness account of the Expressen paparazzi photographer: http://wiseupaction.info/2015/07/16/sweden-fails-to-call-another-chapter-in-the-pre-trial-punishment-of-julian-assange/

                   She herself had booked a long holiday beginning 18 June and not returning to work until 8 July (although her spokesman in Sweden was claiming she was still on holiday and unavailable to comment on 24 July). What sort of prosecutor books herself a 5-week holiday if she knows the statute of limitations on a career-defining case of global significance is about to run out?
                   • Colonial Viper …

                     22 August 2015 at 9:21 pm

                     A prosecutor who never had any intention of delivering justice either to Assange or the complainants.
                   • Pascals bookie …

                     23 August 2015 at 6:44 pm

                     Well I’m confused, I thought the story was that Ecuador was willing and all set to go and the Prosecutors were refusing to interview him; but now you’re telling me that the prosecutors were too eager to interview and the Embassy hadn’t given the right permissions.

                     Which is it? Does it all depend on which needs to be said to make Assange more victimy at any given moment?
                   • Colonial Viper …

                     23 August 2015 at 6:48 pm

                     Who cares PB; the Swedes and the US would like to see Assange rot without freedom a day at a time and they are getting their wish.
                   • Pascals bookie …

                     23 August 2015 at 6:53 pm

                     So you admit you argue different lines depending on need, good oh.
                   • Colonial Viper …

                     23 August 2015 at 7:12 pm

                     If you can see past your animus toward Assange, you would understand that the actions of the Swedish prosecutor have precluded the possibility of justice for everyone involved in the case.
                   • Pascals bookie …

                     24 August 2015 at 9:28 am

                     So my confusion about the fact your story keeps swinging through 180 degree shifts would be resolved if I just assume that Assange is a saint and interpret all and any facts to fit that?

                     I mean which is it? Was the Prosecutor refusing to do an interview that was completley ready to go without condition, or did the Prosecutor demand an interview without proper invitation?

                     Or both? Or either depending on your rhetorical need of the moment?
                   • Colonial Viper …

                     24 August 2015 at 9:48 am

                     If you have a point PB, make it. As I said, get past your personal animus towards Assange and it is easy to see that his case has been handled politically and exceptionally, precluding justice for all.
                   • greywarshark …

                     24 August 2015 at 10:31 am

                     PBs lost her cool! Normally PB is the epitome of thoughtful analysis and clear eyed argument.
                   • Pascals bookie …

                     24 August 2015 at 10:41 am

                     I made my point a few times.

                     I’m wondering why the story flips between:

                     a) The prosecutor refused an open offer to interview Assange in London,

                     and

                     b) the prosecutor denmanded to interview Assange without being properly invited.

                     Which is it?

                     All I’m getting response is weird claims that I can only see an inconsistency because I want to, or that I have lost my cool, or whatever. These are rubbish arguments. If there is a simple explanation ofwhy the story changes, I’d be keen to hear it. Not that keen on hearing about fantasies about what what I might be thinkng or why I think it.
                   • Pascals bookie …

                     24 August 2015 at 10:43 am

                     It’s interesting that you want to make it about me and all. I get that I’m fascinating, but why not stick to the subject?
           • dukeofurl 4.1.1.1.1.2

             19 August 2015 at 9:02 am

             And the letter reproduced further up, on official Ecuador embassy letterhead is another obstacle too ?

             He wants to be interviewed and they put in writing they want to help.
             • McFlock …

               19 August 2015 at 12:54 pm

               Of course they did. And when the Swedes accepted that “help” they put conditions on it.

               This appears to be some of the following correspondence – requesting a specific “judicial cooperation agreement” in exchange to allow an accused rapist to be interviewed is not exactly cooperation.
       • One Anonymous Bloke 4.1.1.2

         19 August 2015 at 6:44 am

         Tea-leaf reading – not to mention the wishful thinking (or is it just plain ol’ editorial dishonesty?) indicated by the use of the word “dropped”.
         • Colonial Viper 4.1.1.2.1

           19 August 2015 at 8:47 am

           the Swedish prosecutor sat in her office and watched the clock run down for 5 years. I presume she knows Swedish law on the statute of limitations. As I said it indicates the Swedes had no substantial grounds or perhaps no substantial motivation to press actual charges, from the start.

           This would match the judgement of the original prosecutor who determined that Assange had nothing further to answer.
           • McFlock 4.1.1.2.1.1

             19 August 2015 at 12:55 pm

             Given that he’s been a self-imposed shut-in for longer than the maximum penalties for the offences that have just expired, I’m not sure the prosecutor is all that bothered.
             • Colonial Rawshark …

               19 August 2015 at 3:59 pm

               Exactly. Which is why there have been many calls in Sweden from legal and judicial commentators opposing her conduct in this case.
               • McFlock …

                 19 August 2015 at 4:11 pm

                 The prosecutor should be bothered because a suspect locks himself up for longer than the potential penalty?

                 What are those people and organisations in sweden calling for in relation to Assange’s conduct in jumping bail?
                 • Colonial Rawshark …

                   19 August 2015 at 4:17 pm

                   This post is about the Swedish criminal investigations being dropped, not about Assange’s UK legal situation.

                   Having said that, Assange jumped bail in order to seek asylum from political persecution. The Ecuadoran Government considered that his position had merit and granted him political asylum.

                   As I said above, many in the Swedish legal fraternity have been scathing about the Swedish prosecutor’s conduct in this case.
                   • McFlock …

                     19 August 2015 at 4:32 pm

                     And how do “many in the Swedish legal fraternity” regard Assange’s conduct in this case?

                     Even in NZ sometimes diplomats decide that diplomatic expedience means that accused rapists needn’t face justice. Maybe Ecuador just wanted a bargaining chip. He’s nicely placed where they can find him if they want to make nice with somebody he pissed off.
         • Colonial Viper 4.1.1.2.2

           19 August 2015 at 8:50 am

           btw if you dont like the word “drop” blame Politico. They used it first. Maybe its your fanciful thinking accusing them of pro Assange editorial dishonesty?
           • McFlock 4.1.1.2.2.1

             19 August 2015 at 12:58 pm

             Hmm. So you repeated it without checking its accuracy?
             • Colonial Rawshark …

               19 August 2015 at 1:43 pm

               If I were a journalist working with the resources of a multinational news service, I would have.
               • McFlock …

                 19 August 2015 at 2:59 pm

                 lol you do realise Fox is a multinational news service, so maybe not 🙂
           • Tracey 4.1.1.2.2.2

             19 August 2015 at 4:20 pm

             And you did repeat it. You could have made your headline Deadline for charging Assange expires…

             You didn’t, which is your choice, but do’t get annoyed with McFlock and blame Politico, own it brother.
       • dukeofurl 4.1.1.3

         19 August 2015 at 9:29 am

         Heres a BBC timeline of the Assange situation

         http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-11949341

         This bit is interesting

         20 November 2014
         Sweden’s Court of Appeal upholds the arrest warrant against Mr Assange, but criticises prosecutors for failing to move the investigation forward.
5. vto 5

   19 August 2015 at 9:07 am

   The reality of conspiracy

   Is that everyone does it

   Every day

   Always have

   It is a base human trait

   Needed for hunting

   Or rugby

   And especially politics

   And power

   It is only a fool

   Who dismisses conspiracy theories
6. infused 6

   19 August 2015 at 9:22 am

   Misleading to the extreme. Charges were not dropped. They expired.

   He’s a douchebag anyway. Yea yea comment i am as well. Dont care. He should come out of hiding and face up. Hes not locked in there.
   • dukeofurl 6.1

     19 August 2015 at 9:31 am

     hes not hiding, hes welcomed them in to talk to him, Ecuador has said it will help.

     Even the Swedish courts are saying to their prosecutors, why the delays
   • RedLogix 6.2

     19 August 2015 at 9:47 am

     Prosecutor fails to pursue charges in timely manner = Dropped.
   • Morrissey 6.3

     19 August 2015 at 10:43 am

     He’s a douchebag anyway.

     Yes, he should have been a sport and should not have co-operated with a conscience-stricken U.S. soldier, and should not have released this top secret to the world….

     https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5rXPrfnU3G0
     • marty mars 6.3.1

       19 August 2015 at 12:01 pm

       so chilling to see that again – good work from julian in getting it out there
       • Colonial Rawshark 6.3.1.1

         19 August 2015 at 1:50 pm

         I get that a lot of people don’t like Assange. To that extent, the MSM smear campaign led against him by The Powers That Be worked beautifully.

         What I am surprised about is how obviously Assange has been set up from the start in terms of a political prosecution. And now it is all the more obvious with the prosecution falling over with investigations being dropped and no charges laid. No justice or due process for anyone. Not Assange, not the Swedish complainants, not Manning.

         Yet people still refuse to reconsider what they think they know about Assange and his case.

         It really demonstrates how powerful the MSM influence is in feeding and manipulating pre-existing personal prejudices.
         • McFlock 6.3.1.1.1

           19 August 2015 at 3:09 pm

           Oh come on – you know damned well that the only reason he wasn’t put on trial was because he skipped bail when he lost the extradition hearings. Hearings which called bullshit on the “no charges laid” claim simply because “charges” occur at different ends of the investigation process in Sweden and the UK.

           The only reason the investigations are no longer happening is because he chose to skip bail for half a decade until the statute of limitations on thos offences expired.
         • Tracey 6.3.1.1.2

           19 August 2015 at 3:17 pm

           On what basis do you completely dismiss the notion that a man who does “Good” on the one hand (Wikileaks) can do “Bad” (possibly sexually assault women) on the other?

           I don’t know Assange. Never met him. But I have met good men who have done bad things. Men who can throw a claok of well meaning social good over a darker side of their personalities.

           I also get that the US wants him, and wants him bad.

           WHY do you think Sweden bother laying the trumped up charges if they weren’t going to follow through, just to smear his name?
           • Colonial Rawshark 6.3.1.1.2.1

             19 August 2015 at 4:03 pm

             On what basis do you completely dismiss the notion that a man who does “Good” on the one hand (Wikileaks) can do “Bad” (possibly sexually assault women) on the other?

             Where have I done this (“completely dismiss the notion” that a man can have good and bad sides) Tracey?

             WHY do you think Sweden bother laying the trumped up charges if they weren’t going to follow through, just to smear his name?

             The facts over time speak for themselves. Sweden has NOT followed through.

             But I have no idea why the Swedish prosecutors office flipped from saying Assange had no case to answer, to saying that Assange faces serious criminal allegations, to then sitting on their hands and letting the investigations expire.

             The main result has been to make Assange’s life miserable and limited under virtual house arrest – mission success?
             • Tracey …

               19 August 2015 at 4:17 pm

               I am glad that you don’t dismiss the notion and yet you seemed VERY convinced that Mr Assange did not unlawfully sexually connect with these two women, or it is strongly inferred in your post (above) and past by not allowing for that possibility in your comments and assuming with absolute certainty that it is all trumped up by the US to get him into their version of Gulag.

               You may be right, but to completely leave aside the possibility that 2 women were violated by Assange suggests you leave no room for the possibility I outlined above.

               IF Equador has not been as cooperative as they publicly stated they would be, then it would be very hard for the Prosecutor to advance the case with the offender safely behind closed diplomatic doors. You accept that sometimes countries say one thing publicly and do another when the spotlight moves?
               • Colonial Rawshark …

                 19 August 2015 at 4:22 pm

                 I am glad that you don’t dismiss the notion and yet you seemed VERY convinced that Mr Assange did not unlawfully sexually connect with these two women

                 Where the hell did you draw that from?

                 FFS Tracey, the Swedish Prosecutor has dropped the investigations and has come under intense fire from the Swedish legal fraternity and others for her conduct in this case.

                 That’s what I wrote this post about: there has been no justice for anybody given what Sweden has done.
   • Tracey 6.4

     19 August 2015 at 3:15 pm

     yup… just like Banks
7. greywarshark 7

   19 August 2015 at 10:04 am

   The Swedish don’t always make a stand against creeping fascism etc. The other Scandinavian countries were conflicted about Sweden’s neutrality in WW2. Was it overall a valuable diplomatic move for the area, or should they have fought back against the Nazis and end up as occupied territory like the others?

   It seems the Swedes are conflicted now too. Are they for all the good things that western democracy is supposed to believe in and stand by like transparency and as much open and fair dealing as possible, or, on the other hand, ambivalent.
   • Tracey 7.1

     19 August 2015 at 3:18 pm

     And then there is the USA who has a history of being only very vaguely dismissive of facism IF they are making money from it, or agree with it…
8. Raf 8

   19 August 2015 at 1:47 pm

   https://justice4assange.com/On-forthcoming-opinion-piece.html
   • Chooky 8.1

     19 August 2015 at 8:33 pm

     +100 Raf…very interesting…lets hope justice is now meted out to the Swedish prosecutor and all the others who have played a part in this miscarriage of justice

     …”Sweden’s legal community is practically unanimous that the Assange case has been mishandled and driven by the prosecutor’s attempts to save face. The Secretary General of the Swedish Bar Association Anne Ramberg has said: “The Assange story has become a less than flattering adventure not only for the English courts’ handling of the case, but also for the Swedish prosecutor”. Svante Thorsell, an eminent defence lawyer and columnist, wrote that: “Something is rotten in the Assange case… the prosecutor’s passivity in this case is a crime against decency.” Former prosecutor Rolf Hillegren has called for her removal, stating that Julian Assange has been “discriminated against”. The editor of the Law journal Dagens Juridik, Stefan Wahlberg, told Swedish Radio that “the bottom line is it’s the prosecutor who has the responsibility, no one else!” and that “Prestige has played a big part.”…”
9. Exile 9

   22 August 2015 at 4:45 pm

   And why should the Swedish prosecutor travel to London?
   Because Assange is special? Because he deserves special treatment? Because he as the accused choose where he gets interviewed and how?
   Nah, were all equal in front of the law thank you. He has put himself in a very bad position. Its likely that the prosecutor would have dropped the rape-case should Assange had showed up, however the minor charges is likely to have stayed.

   The question then comes down to this, would a prosecutor, who has read the case and realised that Assange in general is an arsehole to women who helps him (nothing illegal in that) grant him special favours?
   Does she believe that h deserve this special favour or would she simply let him choose between the two alternatives that Swedish law states:
   A. Rot away at the embassy, an embassy who is more than fed up with Assange and his demands for special food from different restaurants everyday etc
   etc. A place where he isnt popular at all and thus dont enjoy his life.
   B. Travel to Sweden and be interviewed by the prosecutors office.

   if i was a prosecutor I sure would not give special treatment to someone whose behaviour towards women is what Assanges was. Probably because I don’t believe that men such as Assange deserve special considerations?
   What do you think?

   Lets remember this, Assange has been accused of a rape and inappropriate sexual behaviour by two left wing ladies with a background in the Labour and feminist movements. Had they been from NZ, at least one of them would likely have been a frequent poster on The Standard. These two ladies were part of his support network, were supporters of his movement and came from the entities that oppose the right in Sweden. This is hardly the evil US empire striking back against a whistleblower…
   My opinion; Assange is avoiding this because he knows that the lesser charges would probably (my speculation) have been proven correct and seen Assange sentenced to a year or two in a Swedish prison. A prison system that used to be humane but today is rather harsh and where ethnic minority gangs rule the prisonwings. A place where a blonde, proud and stubborn Australian would have suffered. Suffered a lot. I don’t blame Assange for avoiding that, I probably would have to.
   • Colonial Viper 9.1

     22 August 2015 at 5:10 pm

     And why should the Swedish prosecutor travel to London?
     Because Assange is special? Because he deserves special treatment? Because he as the accused choose where he gets interviewed and how?
     Nah, were all equal in front of the law thank you.

     Do you really believe that we should all be equal in front of the law?

     Do you? I doubt it, despite your high and mighty protestations.

     Because if you had read the post instead of shooting your mouth off from the hip, you would have noted that the Swedish authorities have indeed travelled to the UK to question 44 other people regarding criminal investigations, during the time the Assange saga has in been in process, just not Assange himself.

     It seems clear that Assange is being treated very differently, and probably for politically motivated reasons.

     And you seem perfectly OK with that, despite mouthing that you think “we’re all equal in front of the law.”

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