Not a great headline for Key

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1. karol 1

   11 November 2014 at 1:52 pm

   Our PM seems to lack empathy for survivors of intimate violence and families and friends of the murder victim.
   • Macro 1.1

     11 November 2014 at 7:29 pm

     Our PM wouldn’t know what empathy was if he fell over it! Nor any others in his caucus.
2. robw 2

   11 November 2014 at 1:52 pm

   And its no surprise that Cameron Slater thinks the joke is fine and its just the left wingers getting upset.

   Imagine if it was Willow or Caddell or Max or Steph that was molested by the fugitive, would they still be making jokes then?
   • Tracey 2.1

     11 November 2014 at 2:06 pm

     why would you go there to find out?
   • aj 2.2

     11 November 2014 at 4:43 pm

     Imagine if

     1/Clark
     2/Goff
     3/Shearer
     4/Cunnliffe
     5/ any of the present 4 contender made that joke.

     The hypocrisy of the right is infinite.

     http://www.thefreedictionary.com/infinite
3. Tracey 3

   11 November 2014 at 2:05 pm

   but isnt sexual assault funny? reaction of police to earliest roast busters complaint was hilarious. not as comedic as thier subsequent handling of it and lying about having no formal complaint.

   and today a very funny focus on whether domestic violence costs us 4 billion or 7 billion a year, ensuring the importance of the report are brushed over
   • Tom Jackson 3.1

     11 November 2014 at 4:36 pm

     Anything can be funny in the hands of a skilled comedian. John Key’s problem is that he’s not the right kind of comedian.
     • Murray Rawshark 3.1.1

       11 November 2014 at 8:29 pm

       FJK thought his joke was pretty funny. He almost fell over laughing trying to tell it.

       Really, how embarrassing. He’s like the 4th form class clown. Who, in my school was also a shocking bully.
       • Hanswurst 3.1.1.1

         12 November 2014 at 2:07 am

         Key isn’t like the class clown. He’s more like that loud-mouthed fellow at the back who is strangely popular but nobody actually finds funny. I knew several of those at school, fellows who got so carried away with themselves in full flight that you somehow felt loath to cut in and curb their enthusiasm; speaking in private, however, most people confessed to not finding them funny, nor in many cases even knowing what the joke was supposed to be. Such is John Key.
       • leftie 3.1.1.2

         12 November 2014 at 4:06 am

         @Murray Rawshark.

         David Cunliffe was correct in his description of John key, that he was like a “school yard larrikin”
     • ankerawshark 3.1.2

       11 November 2014 at 10:50 pm

       Tom J @ 3.1 Actually JK isn’t a comedian at all.

       And actually Tom, some things just aren’t funny. End of story.
4. Manuka AOR 4

   11 November 2014 at 2:09 pm

   A Greens MP endorses the use of homeopathy to try and stem ebola. He is demoted.

   The Nats PM laughs, “Ha Ha Ha” for allowing a sadistic killer and pedophile to escape on his watch. “Ha! Ha! Ha!”

   The govt is run by crazies. Please, someone, OUST them, and restore some balance, some sanity, some humanity to Aotearoa!!

   (Starting NOW! Not in 3 years time. With imbiciles in charge, we don’t have that much time!)
   • Manuka AOR 4.1

     11 November 2014 at 2:47 pm

     Please note that the “lack of balance” is not in the Green MP’s thoughts on homeopathy – whatever they may be – but on the instant demotion. There seem to be two extremes operating in the govt, with weaker parties dismissing people and adjusting policies according to the weather of the day, and those in power doing or saying whatever they please regardless of all consequences.
     • One Anonymous Bloke 4.1.1

       11 November 2014 at 9:42 pm

       weaker parties … adjusting policies according to the weather of the day

       [citation needed]

       Unless you mean the poll-focussed government, that is.

       As for the demotion it was and is deserved.
       • Manuka AOR 4.1.1.1

         11 November 2014 at 10:13 pm

         If you want more discussion on that, we can take it to Open Mike – for a new day. Your question opens up a different topic. Look for a comment on the Mike in the morning maybe.
         • One Anonymous Bloke 4.1.1.1.1

           12 November 2014 at 7:15 am

           Will do 🙂
5. vto 5

   11 November 2014 at 2:11 pm

   While being far from a fan of the Liar-in-Chief I also have a habit of laughing at terrible and bad situations. But not because they are funny. More at the mad absurdity of the world at times – things so far out from reality that they beggar belief… it is a laugh at the unbelievable ………

   Sometime it don’t come across as it sits in the mind though..,… to my detriment
   • Manuka AOR 5.1

     11 November 2014 at 2:20 pm

     When you yourself are responsible for that situation arising????

     This happened on Mr Key’s watch!!
   • Tracey 5.2

     11 November 2014 at 2:24 pm

     er, you are not the representative of nz on the world stage…

     key lapses when speaking off the cuff. his mask slips
     • cogito 5.2.1

       11 November 2014 at 2:35 pm

       …. or he may be affected by this:

       “Scientists have discovered a virus that makes people more stupid”. http://www.stuff.co.nz/life-style/well-good/teach-me/63083576/a-virus-that-makes-people-more-stupid.html
       • One Anonymous Bloke 5.2.1.1

         11 November 2014 at 9:43 pm

         Right wing brain syndrome is caused by a virus?
   • Once Was Tim 5.3

     11 November 2014 at 2:54 pm

     so do I VTO, but if I was the PM at a conference, I think I’d moderate my ‘black’ sense of humour just a little, and there are quite a few things I’d actually take seriously. Otherwise there are likely to be a few people that might think of me as an utter buffoon no matter how much I played dressups in an Armani suit. Murder, rape and psychotic paedophile behaviour would be one or two things.

     Key laughed more than anybody else btw.
     • framu 5.3.1

       11 November 2014 at 3:40 pm

       yes – i to have a very dark sense of humour (sometimes a bit too dark) – but im aware that sometimes its best left at the door

       theres a difference between pub talk and public talk
       • karol 5.3.1.1

         11 November 2014 at 3:43 pm

         Yes. And meanwhile, the guy is out in the world, and danger to others wherever he is – it’s not about merely being an unsuitable dinner companion. And, if the conjecture that Smith has joined an international pedophile/abuse group are correct…. not a great outcome for NZ, or the world.
         • framu 5.3.1.1.1

           11 November 2014 at 3:49 pm

           i agree there karol

           but wait “conjecture that Smith has joined an international pedophile/abuse group”

           what? I missed something somewhere, does that mean what i think it means?
           • karol 5.3.1.1.1.1

             11 November 2014 at 4:03 pm

             It means what it says – NZ Herald story.

             And Stuff also is reporting that people reckon Smith may have had some help to get the passport, and don’t know how he managed to get $10,000
           • Manuka AOR 5.3.1.1.1.2

             11 November 2014 at 4:15 pm

             “A police source had told her [Lynda, sister of the man he killed] Smith may have hooked up with an international paedophile ring in Brazil.” http://www.odt.co.nz/news/national/323016/fears-smith-has-joined-abuse-ring-brazil
           • framu 5.3.1.1.1.3

             12 November 2014 at 7:58 am

             ok – figured it out. Ive been hearing his real last name more than his alias

             for some weird reason i thought it was a different “smith”
6. Peter 6

   11 November 2014 at 2:20 pm

   No surprises here, true to himself and his world view!
7. Sanctuary 7

   11 November 2014 at 2:23 pm

   Perhaps John Key was referring to David Farrar when he said to Chile’s president “I’ll just let her know there’s someone who could be out there from New Zealand that you may not want to invite round for lunch.”
   • aj 7.1

     11 November 2014 at 4:53 pm

     More likely Slater.
8. Kiwiri - Raided of the Last Shark 8

   11 November 2014 at 2:23 pm

   Just as well there wasn’t a video or we might be subjected to images of him with throat-hand gestures?

   /sarc … and recalling a particular incident in the House
   • Tracey 8.1

     11 November 2014 at 2:26 pm

     remember when he called a shirt “gay”…
     • Kiwiri - Raided of the Last Shark 8.1.1

       11 November 2014 at 2:59 pm

       Yeah and this latest one is outrageously bad.
9. Bill 9

   11 November 2014 at 2:33 pm

   Well, it ain’t traded currency or some such, and it ain’t war, and it ain’t a celebrity photo op, so it just ain’t important. And when something ain’t important, it just gets deservedly and laughingly dismissed, kind of off-hand, just like Key did, right?
   • srylands 9.1

     11 November 2014 at 2:36 pm

     You folk have no sense of humour whatsoever.
     • rob 9.1.1

       11 November 2014 at 3:41 pm

       I think thats the kind of joke that you have to lack any empathy with the victims to enjoy.
     • karol 9.1.2

       11 November 2014 at 3:47 pm

       It’s not about lacking humour. It’s about treating a serious issue, seriously.

       And the relatives of the victim’s of Smith’s crimes are not amused. Lynda, an Aunt of the abused boy wasn’t laughing.

       “I’ll just let her know that, you know, there’s someone that could be out there from New Zealand she may not want to invite round for lunch,” Mr Key joked.

       “I’m not impressed at that either,” Lynda said. “It makes you wonder. Is he another one that’s never taken it seriously? Because I don’t feel like the whole system has ever taken it seriously.”
       • One Anonymous Bloke 9.1.2.1

         11 November 2014 at 4:27 pm

         Cameron knows what to do with ferals who attack the Prime Minister.
       • Manuka AOR 9.1.2.2

         11 November 2014 at 8:55 pm

         The boy and his dad were not the only victims. The crimes are covered in some detail here:
         http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11356465 .

         Read them and weep (or laugh as the personality disorder dictates). eg, After stabbing the boy’s dad multiple times, “Smith then took the boy’s mother and brother from the house at gunpoint, refusing to let the woman tend to her dying husband. “
         • stargazer 9.1.2.2.1

           11 November 2014 at 11:24 pm

           and this, from an article published 9 february 2011, which the above article links to:

           “In its report, released today, the [parole] board said Smith continued to use different names. He uses the surname Traynor, which he said was his birth name, for his university studies, and when he lived with his blackmail victim he went by the name Stacey Beavers.”

           see: http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10705187

           unbelievable.
     • framu 9.1.3

       11 November 2014 at 3:47 pm

       yeah but you think a guy who photoshops 14 year olds on to gay porn is a good read, your hardly the arbiter of good taste and consideration
       • Tom Jackson 9.1.3.1

         11 November 2014 at 4:45 pm

         Why would he bother? If he wants to see that sort of stuff, he can watch Miley Cyrus videos.
         • ankerawshark 9.1.3.1.1

           11 November 2014 at 8:32 pm

           Yes but he did bother. That’s the whole point.
     • Tracey 9.1.4

       11 November 2014 at 4:11 pm

       sure we do, I for one laugh at almost every post you make.
     • One Anonymous Bloke 9.1.5

       11 November 2014 at 4:13 pm

       A Māori, a Pakeha and S Rylands walk into a bar constructed by an unregulated building firm. The Māori and the Pakeha go out to the garden bar and the building collapses killing S Rylands 😆
       • One Anonymous Bloke 9.1.5.1

         11 November 2014 at 4:14 pm

         A Māori and a Pakeha walk into a bar, and S Rylands gets killed on the way there in a traffic collision with an unregulated truckie on P 😆
         • One Anonymous Bloke 9.1.5.1.1

           11 November 2014 at 4:16 pm

           S Rylands is in the CCTV building when, no, wait, that’s in poor taste 😆
           • One Anonymous Bloke 9.1.5.1.1.1

             11 November 2014 at 4:18 pm

             S Rylands goes on holiday to Somalia, and gets turned away at the border for policy offences 😆
             • One Anonymous Bloke …

               11 November 2014 at 4:24 pm

               S Rylands falls on hard times and has to rely on SERCO in his dotage 😆
               • North …

                 11 November 2014 at 7:19 pm

                 Wait ’til SERCO ‘lies’ on him. “Oh pull yourself together man……stop your fucking wincing !” Bastard !
       • Tracey 9.1.5.2

         11 November 2014 at 4:15 pm

         did slylands have a tea break from his car parking job?
       • Murray Rawshark 9.1.5.3

         11 November 2014 at 8:41 pm

         That made me laugh.
     • felix 9.1.6

       11 November 2014 at 5:28 pm

       srylands, have you listened to the audio yet?

       http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/10730662/John-Keys-killer-paedophile-joke-falls-flat

       It’s not just the words. It’s that John Key thinks a child-molesting murderer escaping is so fucking funny he can barely get the words out through his laughter.

       Utterly disgusting.
       • Puddleglum 9.1.6.1

         11 November 2014 at 9:33 pm

         That’s what I also found the most disturbing felix.

         Key seemed so impressed with his own joke that he couldn’t hold back the mirth. It was pre-adolescent in its lack of awareness of how a sense of humour needs to be balanced against the occasion.

         This seems to be what comes from his belief that his main role is to entertain people, I suppose:

         “He said he would not cut back on the jokes he made.

         “Give me a break. I go out there and speak and entertain thousands and thousands of people every week. I can be straight-laced and completely boring if you want me to be but I don’t really see how that’s going to do much.”

         It looks like I might need to update my post from two years ago about Key’s ‘mucking around’.

         I argued then that his ‘joking’ is one of the most revealing aspects of Key’s interpersonal modus operandum – and that theories of joking and laughter highlight that it has a dark side, one that is rarely mentioned in relation to Key but is increasingly obvious.

         Key uses humour to attack, deflect and deceive – as we all do from time to time but then we’re not all the Prime Minister and asking people to trust us with exceptionally serious matters for the country.
     • North 9.1.7

       11 November 2014 at 6:52 pm

       You disgrace yourself as never before SS-Lands.

       Incapable of putting yourself in the shoes of a child/adolescent sodomised over three years, silenced (apart from primal screams of paralysing physical pain) by threats of the murder which would befall his family – and that heinous murder befell them anyway.

       And you, you sneer that we, the uptight, the humourless, aren’t giggling in anticipation of the lick-arse dinner party where TheGodKey will quaff and wank.

       Oh for karma on you, you evil, soul-less beast !
     • Paul 9.1.8

       11 November 2014 at 7:37 pm

       Tr***ing.
       Ignore
     • Naki man 9.1.9

       11 November 2014 at 8:00 pm

       I pissed myself laughing when Key said that, it was worth hearing twice. However his victims wont be amused.
       • Paul 9.1.9.1

         11 November 2014 at 8:29 pm

         Tr***ing.
         Ignore
     • leftie 9.1.10

       12 November 2014 at 4:16 am

       @srylands.

       What’s funny about child molestation and murder?
10. Blair 10

    11 November 2014 at 2:37 pm

    Wondering if the line was getting at Cunliffes lunch meeting with the sex offender?
    • One Anonymous Bloke 10.1

      11 November 2014 at 4:20 pm

      No, I expect it was getting at John Key’s personal responsibility for telling paedophile murder jokes in his capacity as Prime Minister.
      • Rodel 10.1.1

        11 November 2014 at 7:55 pm

        No he wasn’t acting as a prime minister.
        He made the joke in his role as an a***hole. (His natural empathetic role)
        • minarch 10.1.1.1

          12 November 2014 at 10:31 am

          “e made the joke in his role as an a***hole. (His natural empathetic role)”

          thats a***hole in chief to you !
11. Bea Brown 11

    11 November 2014 at 3:01 pm

    Can’t resist saying that it’s times like these I just love Jacinda and the Left crowd.
    You keep giving us these happy little reminders why we didn’t vote Labour and why most of us never will.
    Do carry on missing the point, attacking John Key (will you never learn?) and showing us why Labour is unfit to govern.
    • Tracey 11.1

      11 November 2014 at 3:26 pm

      its posts like yours that make me determined to work harder to bring back the kind and caring nz not run by or voted for by the mean spirited and callous such as you.
    • One Anonymous Bloke 11.2

      11 November 2014 at 3:41 pm

      Fairfax media headline = Labour is unfit to govern.

      No wonder Hodson & Busseri’s findings are so clear.
    • framu 11.3

      11 November 2014 at 3:45 pm

      never mind that the comments from labour would have likely been in response to media asking for comment

      the MSM are there with the PM – how do you think the story got out? Jacinda told someone?

      and thats not even touching the issue of your inability to apply any sense of expected behaviour for the occasion in question

      yeah – making jokes about peadophile murderers that your own corrections dept let go at an international world leaders conference is completely the done thing these days. Everyone does it. No. Wait. They dont.
    • North 11.4

      11 November 2014 at 6:57 pm

      To the freakish baggage @ 11 above – I nominate you to retrospectively substitute for the child/adolescent.
    • Tautoko Mangō Mata 11.5

      11 November 2014 at 7:42 pm

      Bea, it isn’t the Labour Party’s fault if John Key behaves inappropriately and shows disrespect towards his position as PM and towards the citizens of this country. Do you condone his behaviour because that’s the impression that you give by your waspish attack on members of the Labour party?
    • sabine 11.6

      11 November 2014 at 8:10 pm

      rejoice Bea Brown.

      This and all the other shit is coming from your boy.
      Rejoice
    • ankerawshark 11.7

      11 November 2014 at 8:36 pm

      Actually I am not sure about that Bea. At guy at my work in the tea room today was outraged by Key. He voted National.
    • ghostwhowalksnz 11.8

      11 November 2014 at 8:44 pm

      You must be on piece rates making sure any references to the foolishness of dear leader are pushed away.
      AS many who know the laughable attempts at humour in parliament by JoKEY, this is no surprise. There is no bon mot too absurd, or beneath the dignity of a PM that JoKEY cant resist flinging around.
12. paddy 12

    11 November 2014 at 3:24 pm

    How dare John Key make a joke about something as serious as this. He is the Prime Minister and should behave like one.
    • leftie 12.1

      12 November 2014 at 4:13 am

      @paddy.

      John key hasn’t behaved like a real prime minister in the last 6 years, the next 3 years wont be any different.
13. coaster 13

    11 November 2014 at 3:33 pm

    The comment about the gay shirt is alot less controvercial than this one.

    most of his comments are controlled and appropriate to his target market.
    not sure what target market he was trying to reach with this comment.

    bizarre
    • Tracey 13.1

      11 November 2014 at 4:13 pm

      it’s when he speaks off the cuff the gaffs come. It’s why he usually waits 24 hours before commenting on breaking stories, so he has time to be trained.

      Why didnt he make jokes about pike river I wonder?
      • srylands 13.1.1

        11 November 2014 at 4:58 pm

        “Why didnt he make jokes about pike river I wonder?”

        You are not getting it. Pike River was a national tragedy, that’s why.

        This guy who fled NZ had already served 18 years in prison. According to media reports, his release was likely, and fairly imminent. If correct, his leaving New Zealand was good for New Zealand, and good for his victims.

        Somewhat separately, the Government agencies involved do need to understand how the guy managed to get a passport. Because next time, the consequences may not be so benign.

        The Prime Minister seemed to make all that clear from what I saw in the media.

        That the media is playoing the line “PM’s joke shocks” is predictable. We have an anti John Key, left biased media.

        In summary, the PM saw the funny side (scum bag has left – good), but acknowledged the serious side (how did he get a passport?) and the left biased media is behaving as we would expect.
        • Tracey 13.1.1.1

          11 November 2014 at 6:23 pm

          if you believe even half of what you wrote your are even more callous and dimwitted than even i could imagine you to be.

          the victim who was molested for three years and then had his dad killed when he tried to protect his son, and other members of the family are rightly mortified. people are not in existence as playthings for our PM? Or perhaps he made the joke in one of his multiple other guises?
        • One Anonymous Bloke 13.1.1.2

          11 November 2014 at 6:59 pm

          S Rylands, are you his lover, or his pimp?
          • RedLogixFormes 13.1.1.2.1

            11 November 2014 at 7:20 pm

            Actually just for once srylands is making sense. The really odd thing is that Smith’s release was only a matter of months away. He more or less has served his sentence.

            Still Key’s bumbling uncle routine backfired this time.
            • karol 13.1.1.2.1.1

              11 November 2014 at 7:29 pm

              Except for this bit:

              We have an anti John Key, left biased media.

              And he doesn’t show any sensitivity to the victims of Smith’s crimes.
              • RedLogixFormes …

                11 November 2014 at 7:40 pm

                Yes – it’s been one of those moments when his laid-back bloke, ‘I’m relaxed about it’ pragmatism goes bad on him.
            • Murray Rawshark 13.1.1.2.1.2

              11 November 2014 at 8:52 pm

              Where do you get the idea that his release was just months away? I thought he was still considered likely to reoffend and wasn’t looked at favourably by the parole board.

              Key just showed that he has the same immature sense of humour as Paul Henry, who can’t say an Indian diplomats name without soaking his incontinence trousers.
              • Manuka AOR …

                11 November 2014 at 10:23 pm

                “I thought he was still considered likely to reoffend and wasn’t looked at favourably by the parole board.”

                Yes. March 31 this year: “Smith is denied parole again. The Parole Board identified his risk of reoffending as high” http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11356465
              • RedLogixFormes …

                12 November 2014 at 1:27 am

                Just running with what Key himself said. I’m assuming that he wasn’t serving preventative detention so it was inevitable he would be released eventually.
            • miravox 13.1.1.2.1.3

              11 November 2014 at 9:47 pm

              Do you think a paedophile and murderer would have been given a passport on release?

              Would he have been given the opportunity to victimise young boys in another country on his release?
              • RedLogixFormes …

                12 November 2014 at 1:22 am

                umm – no.

                But if he had waited until well after his release – his departure may well have attracted a whole lot less attention.

                Not suggesting that would have made it any better.
                • RedLogixFormes …

                  12 November 2014 at 1:54 am

                  What I’ve been trying to get at (albeit clumsily I admit) is that this guy was on day release because I presume – despite the clear reservations of the parole board – his sentence was close to being served and his release into back the community was not far off.

                  While this incident is of course a black mark on the system, and certainly nothing to make Prime Ministerial gaffes about, it also highlights that the system does not handle sex offenders very well.

                  That the guy could spend the best part of 18 yrs in prison and then pulls this stunt, does not reflect well on how that time was spent.
                  • karol …

                    12 November 2014 at 8:10 am

                    In an email to RNZ, Smith said he skipped the country because he kn

                    Smith emailed a statement to Radio NZ that said he decided to flee the country after his most recent Parole Board hearing in March when his prospect of parole was slim.

                    “In broad terms I left New Zealand to escape the vigilante justice system that operates there,” he said.
        • ankerawshark 13.1.1.3

          11 November 2014 at 8:40 pm

          The damage the criminal did to a NZ family is a National tragedy.

          “scum bag has left – good” typical of people like you. As long as your not effected (or in this case NZ) you don’t care. It is possible this man has gone to join a paedophile ring. Don’t you care (even a little) about that?
          • Paul 13.1.1.3.1

            11 November 2014 at 8:47 pm

            Srylands is a sociopath.
            He doesn’t do empathy

            noun, Psychiatry.
            1.
            a person with a psychopathic personality whose behavior is antisocial, often criminal, and who lacks a sense of moral responsibility or social conscience.
            • minarch 13.1.1.3.1.1

              12 November 2014 at 10:39 am

              “Srylands is a sociopath.’

              with a big dollop of Toxic Narcissism i would Imagine

              “Narcissistic personality disorder is a pervasive disorder characterized by self-centeredness, lack of empathy, and an exaggerated sense of self-importance.”
        • miravox 13.1.1.4

          11 November 2014 at 9:52 pm

          “his leaving New Zealand was good for New Zealand, and good for his victims.”

          One of his victims is overseas. He’s stalked the family before, who knows where he’s heading now.

          And as for benign – are you comfortable with exporting paedophiles who murder to other countries to possibly carry out similar crimes abroad? How would that be for consequences?

          I reckon it’s pretty damn serious. Aside from the appalling lapses in managing Corrections and Internal Affairs procedures, imagine the headlines if a man like that was heading our way after escaping from a foreign prison.
          • One Anonymous Bloke 13.1.1.4.1

            11 November 2014 at 9:55 pm

            Not only comfortable: amused: “the funny side”.
      • Matthew Hooton 13.1.2

        11 November 2014 at 9:20 pm

        He speaks off the cuff 99 times out 100
        • Tracey 13.1.2.1

          12 November 2014 at 5:07 am

          by your own admission you dont work for or with the nat party or john key.

          post your proof that 99 times out of 100 his utterances on breaking news made some 12 to 24 hours after it broke are off the cuff.

          that apology was off the cuff matthew? the unreserved one that was cos he misinterpreted the question? your dna is making yoh look foolish altho I would guess the apology was scripted but he cldnt admit he was wrong so added the ludicrous ” I misinterpreted the question”

          you have daughters matthew. you find molestation and murder topics of amusement for a prime minister? where is your use of media networks to express your outrage on behalf of children in nz…
14. Ross 14

    11 November 2014 at 3:37 pm

    I agree with Bea, if for different reasons. Looking in from afar I’m consistently embarrassed by my countries conduct in the world. So when I found the Standard I thought I’d lucked in on a forum that would speak intelligently about issues and their solutions in that quintessentially Kiwi way that has had us punching above our weight for the last couple of centuries. It’s been a while now and all I’ve seen are some version of “Key is an idiot” or “National is stupid” posts followed by “I agree” and ” you’re a lefty loser” responses. The time has come, surely, to change the dialog. As Bea said, we keep missing the point. By keeping the focus of discussion on the other lot we’re looking backwards and saying, in effect – yes, we are losers.
    • Tracey 14.1

      11 November 2014 at 6:26 pm

      thanks for the lecture. holding the prime minister to account for making jokes about an escaped murderer and paedophile who escaped on his watch, makes me a loser? good o. you might want to read the policy too… i am not here to get the lp house in order.
    • greywarshark 14.2

      11 November 2014 at 8:17 pm

      @ Ross
      Looking in from afar. Perhaps you are fully extended where you are, trying to keep up with the events in your job, your locality and the ever-deteriorating world. Don’t presume to advise us on what to do here. Probably even if you spent most of your time and earned your living here, you still wouldn’t understand what is going on.

      You and Bea have that impatient air with the naysayers you read here – that sigh of ‘the natives are revolting’ air of superiority.

      And that punching above our weight stuff. I now look at people spouting it, suspiciously.
      They are usually preparing the ground for some trite self-serving statement that finishes up ‘ at the end of the day’ if I get what I want, my people may condescend to meet your people and consider what we will do for you.
      • Ross 14.2.1

        11 November 2014 at 9:31 pm

        Don’t give me that bs about having to live there to comment. It ain’t rocket science. We once told America where to take it’s stupid ideas, now we’re in bed with their corporate psychopaths. I find it embarrassing as hell. What are you doing with the place in my absence? Whinging about losing! And I don’t have to live there to see that going on either.
      • Manuka AOR 14.2.2

        11 November 2014 at 9:53 pm

        Grey, don’t feed the fake concern bot.
        • greywarshark 14.2.2.1

          12 November 2014 at 10:24 am

          @ Manuka AOR
          True. But couldn’t resist. As you say fake. And we are going to get a lot of these from idles indulging themselves poking sticks through the cage bars at the animals.
          Interesting to read his blather. It’s the sort of thing that comes out after a number of alcoholic drinks. Also interesting that we are supposed to be caretakers to this supposedly absent ‘landlord’. It’s all our fault. We aren’t doing a proper job. Perhaps we should put up our management fee so we can give better service!
          • Manuka AOR 14.2.2.1.1

            12 November 2014 at 10:54 am

            🙂
    • mickysavage 14.3

      11 November 2014 at 8:35 pm

      The post is remarkably restrained. People say what they want in the comments. Can you imagine how this would have been handled if Slater or Farrar were talking about a Labour leader saying something this stupid?
      • tracey 14.3.1

        12 November 2014 at 10:35 am

        we dont have to imagine, farrar, hooton and slater excelled themselves over “Kill the PM”… their outrages was palpable, their incandescence over taxpayer money being wasted was beyond measure (despite the song not being funded by NZ on Air)… but they have not bombarded mainstream media with calls for the PM to be stood down for wasting taxes pretending to be a PM when actually trying to be a stand up comedian. A shocking deceit on the public purse…

        slylands will be along soon… he searches “farrar” here to enable him to charge in on his white horse with a defence.

        still it’s not a painting for charity…
        or a speeding attempt to make the ALL BLACKS (something I think the current PM would be lauded for as a patriotic ordinary bloke btw).
15. adam 15

    11 November 2014 at 3:45 pm

    Look on the bright side – he’s out of the country. And middle NZ get to see him in a clear light.
    • karol 15.1

      11 November 2014 at 3:48 pm

      The guy is out of the country, and a danger to others wherever he is – especially if he’s joined up with a pedophile group.
      • adam 15.1.1

        11 November 2014 at 4:15 pm

        Thanks for that Karol – I just threw up in my mouth.

        Because everything is on the table, in a free market.
16. mickysavage 16

    11 November 2014 at 3:53 pm

    Interesting comment on Stuff:

    “Meanwhile, Beehive sources report the office of Corrections Minister Sam Lotu-Iiga is in “meltdown”, with Police Minister Michael Woodhouse ordered to front any media interviews.

    Woodhouse is on his way to Wellington for meetings with officials this afternoon.

    “Sam is nowhere to be seen,” the source said.”

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/10731785/Fugitive-Phillip-John-Smith-carried-cash
    • cogito 16.1

      11 November 2014 at 4:04 pm

      “Sam is nowhere to be seen,” the source said.”

      Probably on a plane to Chile as we speak under his birth name of Lotu-Mudda-onda-Face, with Key assuring the Chilean President that he’s a better NZer than the last one.
      • Kevin 16.1.1

        11 November 2014 at 4:25 pm

        Paul Henry got sacked for the Dips**t episode. How dare YOU make fun of a person’s name! U should be sacked from whichever public servant’s position you occupy…
        • greywarshark 16.1.1.1

          11 November 2014 at 4:49 pm

          What a long memory you have Kevin. Do you have a drawer like John Key’s full of things about the others you can air when you can make some obscure jibe at someone. Lotta mud on your face for not knowing the difference between a foreign dignitary who expected respect not some schoolboy sneer and a go at a polly that was mild.
          • alwyn 16.1.1.1.1

            11 November 2014 at 9:25 pm

            You must be a little bit out of date.
            That rule was introduced when David Lange was PM.
            Remember his hilarious insult to the senior Chinese official with his fantastically funny, at least to him “Mr Wong, Mr Wong I’ve lost my American Express cheques”.
            Side splitting wasn’t it? Why should he have thought the man deserved any respect?
            http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10338229
        • cogito 16.1.1.2

          11 November 2014 at 4:55 pm

          lol.

          Clause 415/Par 72 of the health & safety section of my contract states as follows: Making fun of a government minister’s name is a healthy and entirely appropriate form of stress relief.
          • greywarshark 16.1.1.2.1

            11 November 2014 at 6:19 pm

            @ cogito
            Has it also got the following: ‘Employees should be aware that we have copied the previous Japanese practice of placing large photos of boss’s or politician’s face on wall to throw things at’ so that employee may return to work in quiet, contemplative and docile fashion to ensure workplace harmony and group efficiency.

            Also employee may relieve stress by burning a NZ flag as long as health and safety work practice guidelines are adhered to. It is to be done outside in a non-flammable cleared space away from items that can be damaged (and people and dogs and cats and birds etc) and a bucket of water must be available nearby for extinguishment of the flag, or the perpetrator or both.

            Relief of stress is a known health-giving activity and a productivity enhancer.
            e&oe / Portions of the above may be inaccurate.
            • cogito 16.1.1.2.1.1

              11 November 2014 at 7:40 pm

              It does say that, as part of the daily morning fitness routine, employees may join together in a united chant of F-JK (or any other despised politician) as this has been proven to reduce stress, aid breathing and restore vitality.

              Burning of the flag is discouraged as the NZ flag, as we know it, is becoming an endangered species. Violence can instead be unleashed on small fabric dolls in the effigies of despised politicians by inserting sharp needles into their anatomies, provided thimbles are worn at all items in order to comply with H&S regulations.
              • greywarshark …

                11 November 2014 at 8:33 pm

                @ cogito
                LOL (A capital rendition.)
                • cogito …

                  11 November 2014 at 8:37 pm

                  🙂
    • Tracey 16.2

      11 November 2014 at 4:14 pm

      If Woodhouse is seen as the calm head we are all in deep shit.
    • Anne 16.3

      11 November 2014 at 5:13 pm

      “Sam is nowhere to be seen,” the source said.

      Well, they can’t have the media reporting his incoherent responses. He will have been secured in a safe house with no form of communication available. 😈
    • Murray Rawshark 16.4

      11 November 2014 at 9:05 pm

      Sam is busy kicking up a shit storm by wanting to ban pounamu in prisons, on the specious grounds that they can be illegally bartered or traded. I suppose that for a polynesian to rise in the Nact ranks, he must be fully prepared to turn his back on polynesian culture. The Garth McVicar crowd will love it. That’ll stop murderous pakeha kidfuckers from escaping!
      • North 16.4.1

        12 November 2014 at 8:21 am

        Sammy Boy – Fiapalagi – Paid to be such.
    • miravox 16.5

      11 November 2014 at 9:37 pm

      Chris Tremain might be relieved that he’s already retired as Minster of Internal Affairs was responsible, after advice was given in 1012, that that a loophole needed closing by ensuring the passport office was informed of name changes.
17. felix 17

    11 November 2014 at 5:30 pm

    SO how long before Key fronts up and informs us that when he rofls about pedophiles he’s doing it in his capacity as an avid 4chan commenter and not as PM?
    • RedLogixFormes 17.1

      11 November 2014 at 5:41 pm

      Best lol yet – classic felix.
    • cogito 17.2

      11 November 2014 at 5:42 pm

      I’m just hoping that in his new capacity of Star Trek-outfit-wearer he can utter the famous words “Beam me up Scotty” and we will all be finally rid of him.
      • alwyn 17.2.1

        11 November 2014 at 9:30 pm

        You’ve got the wrong party cogito.
        It is Gareth Hughes from the Green Party who dresses up and goes to Star-Trek conventions. The tax-payer has to pay the costs of his jaunts when he does so.
        • weka 17.2.1.1

          11 November 2014 at 11:21 pm

          are you lying again alwyn?
          • alwyn 17.2.1.1.1

            12 November 2014 at 11:16 am

            As usual, when you accuse me of lying you are talking from your customary standpoint of total ignorance.
            You have never yet shown me to be lying but it doesn’t stop you making wild accusations does it?
            Why don’t you look at this and then I expect you will wish to withdraw your comment.
            http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/10086549/Today-in-politics-Tuesday-May-27
    • Tracey 17.3

      11 November 2014 at 6:28 pm

      his apology came through a spokesperson. such a man our PM, delivers his apologies by abdication.
18. Treetop 18

    11 November 2014 at 6:08 pm

    Key needs to go and sit in a court room and hear the evidence and see the anguish on the face of those who have to pick up the shattered pieces.
    • Rodel 18.1

      11 November 2014 at 8:03 pm

      Sorry Treetop- Whateveropaths like Key would not (can not) see such things. Their brain structure just doesn’t register such things.And they don’t know it.
19. North 19

    11 November 2014 at 6:14 pm

    Key laughed, he actually bloody laughed ! I feel shame…….and outrage.

    Where are you with your demands for resignation John Armstrong ?

    Two Johns…….two bastards !
    • Paul 19.1

      11 November 2014 at 7:55 pm

      Armstrong …is he compromised by Slater?
20. North 20

    11 November 2014 at 6:37 pm

    And while the air’s thick around the North right now – no more Air NZ flights to Kaitaia aye ?

    Thanks so much Kelvin Davis mate ! The man who played his dirty, snipey politics on the ‘impure’ Hone Harawira. For the aggrandisement of Kelvin and vindication of the ‘Lifted Ladder Ethic’. Kia Ora Kelvin mate. The North so owes you that !

    Bay of Islands Airport Kerikeri to Kaitaia, 106 kilometres. Mightn’t be a problem of course – I’d wager old Kelvin’s nicely wedged up to do a Shaney Boy…….set up fine accommodations in Kerikeri what ?
    • ghostwhowalksnz 20.1

      11 November 2014 at 8:12 pm

      You are an idiot. Nothing to do with this topic or Kelvin Davis. Most of his electorate Cant afford the airfares anyway. Shows how much you know, hes based around Whangarei. Hone played double game and lost, tough but hell find his niche, just dont think Wellington and the halls of power wasnt it. – And he knew it barely turning up.
    • goodsweat 20.2

      11 November 2014 at 8:51 pm

      I’m sure it comes as little surprise to hear that I’m a Kelvin supporter North. I think he is one of the few people in the Labour camp that has achieved a major and difficult social accomplishment prior to coming into the house.

      I’m bummed about the flights too. It will have a major bearing on my seeing my kid, customers etc. Every Kaitaia seat on our mainly state owned airline was costing an extra $52 to provide. Have you been there for a Friday afternoon flight? It was like a Northland who’s who. I’ve been there when Hone and Hilda, Dr Lance and Kelvin hopped off. Lets make lemonade and start a shuttle service Kerikeri to Kaitaia and all points inbetween.

      There will be an infrequent air service soon. I believe it is yet to be confirmed whether they will fly guests into Kaitaia or Rangiputa but the Chinese Real estate Company; Shanghai Cred that has bought the Carrington resort, Whatuwhiwhi camp ground, Rangiputa airstrip, the vineyard/winery and 100’s of hectares have huge plans. eg: 600 holiday villas, another golf course etc. They plan to fly guests in/out…maybe you and I won’t be welcome on those flights.
      • Paul 20.2.1

        11 November 2014 at 8:55 pm

        Is that true about all those properties being sold off?
        That’s terrible.
        • goodsweat 20.2.1.1

          11 November 2014 at 9:04 pm

          Yes, I agree Paul, if you put Shanghai Cred into Google some of the press releases should pop up. There seems to be mixed emotions about it in the district. Things have been deadly stagnant up the top for a while. Much of the land in that district belongs to Ngati Kahu. It always has, it’s been theirs since Kupe rocked up. I find it odd how little noise they seem to be making about the whole affair. These are the Popata Whanau and Margaret Mutu’s ancestral lands.
21. millsy 21

    11 November 2014 at 6:39 pm

    Well National cannot claim to be tough on crime now. Seeing as a convicted sex offender and murderer get let out of prison for the weekend as ling as he promised to come back.

    Jokes aside, heads really need to roll about this. A lit of people were put in danger last Thursday. Whay if he had decided to kill his victims family? Or what if someone had run into him in the wrong place at the wrong time?
    • karol 21.1

      11 November 2014 at 6:46 pm

      One Malaysian Diplomat and alleged attempted rapist, allowed to skip the country; a convicted murderer and paedophile, allowed to skip the country – it’s almost like Key’s government just doesn’t care about such crimes, unless they get some strong criticism from the public and via the media.
22. Blue 22

    11 November 2014 at 6:50 pm

    Key can’t make any bigger joke than our legal system, which apparently can’t be bothered to make sure convictions are entered against a person’s proper legal name, not just some alias they pulled out of their arse.

    How many others out there can freely travel, pass police checks or work with children because their convictions are in another, made-up name?

    Key clearly doesn’t care to put any effort into finding out.
23. woodpecker 23

    11 November 2014 at 7:31 pm

    I think this is going to end up making a case against us all for more fucking spying. Thats why hes laughing.
    We got a clever (not in a good way…;( 11 year old running the country.
24. repateet 24

    11 November 2014 at 7:48 pm

    A headline that’s not great for Key means nothing. Having a Prime Minister who thinks like that means a lot. Having members of the public who think there’s nothing wrong with a PM with those characteristics is appalling.
    • Paul 24.1

      11 November 2014 at 7:51 pm

      Yup, i dare say you’ll hear the rednecks defending him on talk back.
      We have sunk very low as a nation.
25. Heather 25

    11 November 2014 at 8:01 pm

    He should hand his head in shame for this comment, it follows many other comments that as a country we should be ashamed of having our prime minister representing NZ on the world stage. He will not apologise, he does not do apologies, we have seen that before many times. I suspect that he does not see he has done any wrong. The terrible thing is, he once again gets away with it and will go on to do the same thing again and again and his followers will say – he’s such a good bloke, real man of the people. I want to record that I am appalled by his behaviour, I have no respect for him, his party and his office.
    • cogito 25.1

      11 November 2014 at 8:18 pm

      I just dread to think what he says to world leaders behind closed doors. Key is a loose cannon.
26. Grantoc 26

    11 November 2014 at 8:21 pm

    Its hardly a headline. Except in the minds of those who would like it to be.

    Nevertheless it was pretty gormless of Key to make these comments. I guess the usual suspects will be ‘shocked’ and ‘appalled’ , and ‘disgusted’ of Papakura will express his/her ‘outrage’ through a ‘letter to the editor’.

    How many people though (including those on this blog) had a quiet chuckle when they heard him say it. Although dark, it was actually quite amusing.
    • Paul 26.1

      11 November 2014 at 8:28 pm

      Probable tr***
    • Anne 26.2

      11 November 2014 at 9:00 pm

      How many people though (including those on this blog) had a quiet chuckle when they heard him say it.

      I doubt very many. Why? Because its not even funny – or clever- or witty.

      John Key doesn’t do humour off the top of his head. It’s almost always scripted for him in advance. And when he does, it’s usually crass – like this latest effort.
      • tracey 26.2.1

        12 November 2014 at 10:42 am

        my guess would be mainly men, if any, thought it was funny…
    • Murray Rawshark 26.3

      11 November 2014 at 9:26 pm

      No it wasn’t amusing. It was pathetic. It was a little kid speaking and shows the level of his emotional development. I find this is quite common with Nactoids – they have the emotional maturity of 14 year olds.
    • A voter 26.4

      11 November 2014 at 11:18 pm

      he was absolutely off his trolley couldnt give a stuff ,first sign of his real mind, he lost his Crosby Textor face
27. fisiani 27

    11 November 2014 at 8:24 pm

    Just goes to show that the extreme Left Key haters have no sense of humour. Go on, get your venom out and then be astonished to realise that New Zealand does not care. Not a bit. A total storm in a D-cup. It is staggering that so many have such bile. Take a viagra. Apparently it helps impotence.
    • Paul 27.1

      11 November 2014 at 8:26 pm

      Tr***.
      Ignore.
      • Weepus beard 27.1.1

        11 November 2014 at 11:54 pm

        It’s easy to ignore because they parrot the same line as the PM and this guy Smith himself – that the family should just move on a get a sense of humour already.

        The moderators here have intimated it’s important to have types such as fisiani, chris73, BM, etc here, which is fine, but I’ve not seen an explanation as to why it is important.

        How do their inflammatory and dismissive comments benefit the aims of this site?
28. Paul 28

    11 November 2014 at 8:44 pm

    Things that Key would have to do to appal the rwnjs on this site.

    Pay more tax.
    Help the poor.
    • sabine 28.1

      11 November 2014 at 9:10 pm

      a good start would be not to utter rape jokes in public. Because that is what it essentially is, a very sick rape joke uttered to a women, about a paedophile who is also a murderer. Classy he is dear Leader.
29. A voter 29

    11 November 2014 at 11:08 pm

    Reminds me of Muldoons pissed run up to the election news snip in 1984
    Goes to show ya eh living the high life for some doesnt get your mouth into trouble
    with the law
    Seriously though it shows us just how cynically incompetent our authorities are now looking at the cop chiefs trying not to laugh, so much for trying to control ISIS infiltration into NZ.
    Better take the DOOMSDAY PREPPERS seriously
30. Weepus beard 30

    11 November 2014 at 11:46 pm

    He’ll get a right telling off from Bronagh when he gets home.

    If she’s able to speak up, that is.
31. Clemgeopin 31

    12 November 2014 at 12:24 am

    I cringed when Key was reported as describing David Beckham to a group of school girls as being a guy who is ‘as thick as bat shit’.
32. Tracey 32

    12 November 2014 at 4:56 am

    I think key now needs to be taught the meaning of unreservedly.

    at least he said sorry… but the last line refutes unreservedly.

    “… Speaking to reporters at the Apec summit in Beijing, Key said he was sorry.

    “Obviously it was a very poorly placed attempt at humour and I regret that and I unreservedly apologise.”

    “I just misinterpreted the question,” he said …”
    • karol 32.1

      12 November 2014 at 7:36 am

      Gotta wonder what Key “interpreted” the question to be, which resulted in him making a joke about a paedophile and murderer?
      • Tracey 32.1.1

        12 November 2014 at 9:14 am

        kind of contrasts with the rights outrage over a two year old song called kill the pm, and in which someone stated they wanted to rape his daughter…
        • felix 32.1.1.1

          12 November 2014 at 12:28 pm

          I think you mean “in which someone stated they wanted to have sex with his daughter”.
          • Tracey 32.1.1.1.1

            12 November 2014 at 12:39 pm

            yes, someone corrected me earlier. i guess the outrage of farrar, hooton and slater at the time made me think it wasnt a consensual suggestion.
33. Draco T Bastard 33

    12 November 2014 at 12:34 pm

    Somehow, the convict got the idea that it was totally fine to travel overseas, as long as it wasn’t in his capacity as a prisoner.
    • Tracey 33.1

      12 November 2014 at 12:42 pm

      the prime minister also likes distinguish himself from other aspects of himself

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