NRT: Hoist by her own petard?

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1. geoff 1

   3 June 2014 at 2:51 pm

   Collins may be hoist by her own petard

   Privileged elites aren’t subject to the same rules as us plebs.
   • lprent 1.1

     3 June 2014 at 3:06 pm

     I’m sure that she will be, as indeed all of the MPs voting for this will be.

     As NRT states, I’m pretty sure that we could start a bit of a movement. If they do start trying the old route of “nothing to see here” at whatever the organisations are that wind up administering this, then they’d still be subject to a judicial review.
   • One Anonymous Bloke 1.2

     3 June 2014 at 3:08 pm

     Graham McCready says no.
   • One Anonymous Bloke 1.3

     3 June 2014 at 3:12 pm

     Geoff, in what universe are Parliamentary MPs in a democracy “privileged elites”? The PM has $50M, Mr.com has $3M to destroy the PM. Neither of them picked up the crumbs from an MP’s table.
     • Colonial Viper 1.3.1

       3 June 2014 at 4:54 pm

       Geoff, in what universe are Parliamentary MPs in a democracy “privileged elites”?

       Bog standard Parliamentary MPs are the 2%. So they are priviliged, yes.

       But part of the oligarchic elite 0.01% they are definitely not. But they do tend to work on behalf of the interests of the oligarchic elite.
       • One Anonymous Bloke 1.3.1.1

         3 June 2014 at 6:01 pm

         [according to the risible conspiracy theory of history]

         The fact that this ‘elitist’ (sic) behaviour renders wealth irrelevant has clearly escaped them. Oxymorons unite, you have nothing to lose but your face.
     • geoff 1.3.2

       3 June 2014 at 7:12 pm

       Well OAB, I specifically meant Judith Collins, because she clearly thinks her shit doesn’t stink and thinks that she is part of a privileged elite.
       It’s how I believe people like Judith Collins view themselves, the psychology of the born-to-rule tory types whose natural instinct is to use the power they have been given, which is intended to be used in the best interests of the public but people like Collins use it to act in their own interests.

       You know, psychos.
2. karol 2

   3 June 2014 at 2:53 pm

   Ha!

   Ill thought out policy and lack of real understanding of social media – even though she uses it for her own nasty self promotion.
3. One Anonymous Bloke 3

   3 June 2014 at 2:59 pm

   forage on the enemy

   😀
4. dimebag russell 4

   3 June 2014 at 3:42 pm

   she may have looked like a porcelain doll last week but today she is just a frump!
5. Marius 5

   3 June 2014 at 4:02 pm

   the thoroughly unlikeable lockwood smith living in $7500 per week rental accomodation in london while waiting for permanent digs to be upgraded might be construed by some as little elitist – esp the old man in Flockton St with the water ’round his ankles while he watches tele. waaaaaaaaa.
6. Ennui 6

   3 June 2014 at 4:22 pm

   Hoisting Collins by her own petard??????Surely she should be “crushed” by the weight of her own hubris?
   • Tracey 6.1

     3 June 2014 at 4:32 pm

     very nicely put
   • One Anonymous Bloke 6.2

     3 June 2014 at 6:11 pm

     Collins is fragile enough to be crushed by a petard. Her obligations to Oravida render her unfit for office, so perhaps it’s National Party hubris.

     😆
7. Hami Shearlie 7

   3 June 2014 at 11:17 pm

   If this law is passed, will it be backdated to encapsulate Judith’s attacks on various people on Twitter? Somehow I doubt it!
   • McFlock 7.1

     4 June 2014 at 1:32 am

     do you think she’ll have the sense to stop?
     lol
8. McTyreSum 8

   4 June 2014 at 12:40 pm

   I think what the darlinks are asking for is political satire. They love innuendo, thrive on it in fact. The art of twisting the knife without using one. That is what they are crying out for. poor wee sausages.

   Just aside, anyone ever seen the All persons fictitious disclaimer at the end of a movie.

   All characters appearing in this work are fictitious. Any resemblance to real persons, living or dead, is purely coincidental. WikiPedia:

   Ironic use[edit]
   Because the disclaimer is intended for serious purposes, it is often the subject of comedic satire. The Three Stooges’ parody of Nazi Germany, I’ll Never Heil Again, features a disclaimer that states that “The characters in this picture are fictitious. Anyone resembling them is better off dead”. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All_persons_fictitious_disclaimer.

   Now lets make up a story shall we, not related to this or any article on this site. (oh I better put in this clause: All characters appearing in this work (below) are fictitious. Any resemblance to real persons, living or dead, is purely coincidental.

   A MODEST PROPOSAL for the People of NZ

   Once upon a time there was a WooMan called Rudith Colons and her merry bunch of Oedipus complex munching men. They thrived on telling people what to do, how to think and how to act. They loved the rich and despised the poor. Everyone else was a hypocrite except for them. They had special commandos that operated in the grey zone, keeping tabs on anyone who showed decent. They acted through organizations that focused (surveillance) on economic outcomes that would benefit the rich and keep an underclass to fund their wealth generating enterprise. The sad thing about the special commandos was that they thought they were better than the populace, a few epaulettes does wonders for the ego. They to, in turn, would be in time subjected to the same rules that were imposed on the masses.

   One day, however, an by infinitesimal chance the masses stopped watching ground hog day sport TV (TM), listening to Mediaocrity. They instead started to read history, political philosophy and to examine the laws that made up the land. They saw that something nasty was going on, they realized it was ok to think about politics, to do discuss, not to just blindly back it like it was a sports team your father use to watch. They began to think critically.

   So, they the people could finally see. They ousted Rudith Colons, the Oedipus munchers and the special commandos sending them away on a jolly good holiday to chill out island. Where as the name implied, they chilled out. They even determined they were hypocrites to. Then everyone became really good friends, even with the masses. THE END
9. Tracey 9

   4 June 2014 at 12:48 pm

   Is the Minister for Oravida the Minister of Justice again???
10. Mr Oh Well 10

    4 June 2014 at 8:48 pm

    I think what the darlinks are asking for is political satire. They love innuendo, thrive on it in fact. The art of twisting the knife without using one. That is what they are crying out for. poor wee sausages.

    Just aside, anyone ever seen the All persons fictitious disclaimer at the end of a movie.

    All characters appearing in this work are fictitious. Any resemblance to real persons, living or dead, is purely coincidental. WikiPedia:

    Ironic use[edit]
    Because the disclaimer is intended for serious purposes, it is often the subject of comedic satire. The Three Stooges’ parody of Nazi Germany, I’ll Never Heil Again, features a disclaimer that states that “The characters in this picture are fictitious. Anyone resembling them is better off dead”. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All_persons_fictitious_disclaimer.

    Now lets make up a story shall we, not related to this or any article on this site. (oh I better put in this clause: All characters appearing in this work (below) are fictitious. Any resemblance to real persons, living or dead, is purely coincidental.

    A MODEST PROPOSAL for the People of NZ

    Once upon a time there was a WooMan called Rudith Colons and her merry bunch of Oedipus complex munching men. They thrived on telling people what to do, how to think and how to act. They loved the rich and despised the poor. Everyone else was a hypocrite except for them. They had special commandos that operated in the grey zone, keeping tabs on anyone who showed decent. They acted through organizations that focused (surveillance) on economic outcomes that would benefit the rich and keep an underclass to fund their wealth generating enterprise. The sad thing about the special commandos was that they thought they were better than the populace, a few epaulettes does wonders for the ego. They to, in turn, would be in time subjected to the same rules that were imposed on the masses.

    One day, however, by infinitesimal chance the masses stopped watching ground hog day sport TV (TM) and listening to Mediaocrity. They instead started to read history, political philosophy and to examine the laws that made up the the land. They saw that something nasty was going on, they realized it was ok to think about politics, to do discuss, not to just blindly back it like it was a sports team your father use to watch. They began to think critically. Objectivity took over and let the wasteland of subjectivity subside.

    So, they the people could finally see. They ousted Rudith Colons, Oedipus munchers and the special commandos sending them away on a jolly good holiday to chill out island. Where as the name implied, they chilled out. They even determined they were hypocrites, who at one point in time were in love with themselves more than than their ideals. Then everyone became really good friends, even with the masses…. the all nipped of for to a cafe for a cup of tea.

    THE END
11. Mr Oh Well 11

    4 June 2014 at 8:58 pm

    A classic example of satire which actually describes the situation today in NZ was made in 1729, use it to your advantage (oh and no copy right Holly Wood BS either). Note, probably removed by the thought police in NZ as it is a stock standard study in humanities…….. cant have thinking people now can we.

    Satire, you can call them a bunch to fxxxs, with out calling them it. Just think of the 250K poor kids in NZ and read this, go National go

    A MODEST PROPOSAL
    For preventing the children of poor people in Ireland,
    from being a burden on their parents or country,
    and for making them beneficial to the publick.

    by Dr. Jonathan Swift

    1729

    It is a melancholy object to those, who walk through this great town, or travel in the country, when they see the streets, the roads and cabbin-doors crowded with beggars of the female sex, followed by three, four, or six children, all in rags, and importuning every passenger for an alms. These mothers instead of being able to work for their honest livelihood, are forced to employ all their time in stroling to beg sustenance for their helpless infants who, as they grow up, either turn thieves for want of work, or leave their dear native country, to fight for the Pretender in Spain, or sell themselves to the Barbadoes.

    I think it is agreed by all parties, that this prodigious number of children in the arms, or on the backs, or at the heels of their mothers, and frequently of their fathers, is in the present deplorable state of the kingdom, a very great additional grievance; and therefore whoever could find out a fair, cheap and easy method of making these children sound and useful members of the common-wealth, would deserve so well of the publick, as to have his statue set up for a preserver of the nation.

    But my intention is very far from being confined to provide only for the children of professed beggars: it is of a much greater extent, and shall take in the whole number of infants at a certain age, who are born of parents in effect as little able to support them, as those who demand our charity in the streets.

    As to my own part, having turned my thoughts for many years, upon this important subject, and maturely weighed the several schemes of our projectors, I have always found them grossly mistaken in their computation. It is true, a child just dropt from its dam, may be supported by her milk, for a solar year, with little other nourishment: at most not above the value of two shillings, which the mother may certainly get, or the value in scraps, by her lawful occupation of begging; and it is exactly at one year old that I propose to provide for them in such a manner, as, instead of being a charge upon their parents, or the parish, or wanting food and raiment for the rest of their lives, they shall, on the contrary, contribute to the feeding, and partly to the cloathing of many thousands.

    There is likewise another great advantage in my scheme, that it will prevent those voluntary abortions, and that horrid practice of women murdering their bastard children, alas! too frequent among us, sacrificing the poor innocent babes, I doubt, more to avoid the expence than the shame, which would move tears and pity in the most savage and inhuman breast.

    The number of souls in this kingdom being usually reckoned one million and a half, of these I calculate there may be about two hundred thousand couple whose wives are breeders; from which number I subtract thirty thousand couple, who are able to maintain their own children, (although I apprehend there cannot be so many, under the present distresses of the kingdom) but this being granted, there will remain an hundred and seventy thousand breeders. I again subtract fifty thousand, for those women who miscarry, or whose children die by accident or disease within the year. There only remain an hundred and twenty thousand children of poor parents annually born. The question therefore is, How this number shall be reared, and provided for? which, as I have already said, under the present situation of affairs, is utterly impossible by all the methods hitherto proposed. For we can neither employ them in handicraft or agriculture; we neither build houses, (I mean in the country) nor cultivate land: they can very seldom pick up a livelihood by stealing till they arrive at six years old; except where they are of towardly parts, although I confess they learn the rudiments much earlier; during which time they can however be properly looked upon only as probationers: As I have been informed by a principal gentleman in the county of Cavan, who protested to me, that he never knew above one or two instances under the age of six, even in a part of the kingdom so renowned for the quickest proficiency in that art.
    I am assured by our merchants, that a boy or a girl before twelve years old, is no saleable commodity, and even when they come to this age, they will not yield above three pounds, or three pounds and half a crown at most, on the exchange; which cannot turn to account either to the parents or kingdom, the charge of nutriments and rags having been at least four times that value.
    I shall now therefore humbly propose my own thoughts, which I hope will not be liable to the least objection.
    I have been assured by a very knowing American of my acquaintance in London, that a young healthy child well nursed, is, at a year old, a most delicious nourishing and wholesome food, whether stewed, roasted, baked, or boiled; and I make no doubt that it will equally serve in a fricasie, or a ragoust.
    I do therefore humbly offer it to publick consideration, that of the hundred and twenty thousand children, already computed, twenty thousand may be reserved for breed, whereof only one fourth part to be males; which is more than we allow to sheep, black cattle, or swine, and my reason is, that these children are seldom the fruits of marriage, a circumstance not much regarded by our savages, therefore, one male will be sufficient to serve four females. That the remaining hundred thousand may, at a year old, be offered in sale to the persons of quality and fortune, through the kingdom, always advising the mother to let them suck plentifully in the last month, so as to render them plump, and fat for a good table. A child will make two dishes at an entertainment for friends, and when the family dines alone, the fore or hind quarter will make a reasonable dish, and seasoned with a little pepper or salt, will be very good boiled on the fourth day, especially in winter.
    I have reckoned upon a medium, that a child just born will weigh 12 pounds, and in a solar year, if tolerably nursed, encreaseth to 28 pounds.
    I grant this food will be somewhat dear, and therefore very proper for landlords, who, as they have already devoured most of the parents, seem to have the best title to the children.
    Infant’s flesh will be in season throughout the year, but more plentiful in March, and a little before and after; for we are told by a grave author, an eminent French physician, that fish being a prolifick dyet, there are more children born in Roman Catholick countries about nine months after Lent, the markets will be more glutted than usual, because the number of Popish infants, is at least three to one in this kingdom, and therefore it will have one other collateral advantage, by lessening the number of Papists among us.
    I have already computed the charge of nursing a beggar’s child (in which list I reckon all cottagers, labourers, and four-fifths of the farmers) to be about two shillings per annum, rags included; and I believe no gentleman would repine to give ten shillings for the carcass of a good fat child, which, as I have said, will make four dishes of excellent nutritive meat, when he hath only some particular friend, or his own family to dine with him. Thus the squire will learn to be a good landlord, and grow popular among his tenants, the mother will have eight shillings neat profit, and be fit for work till she produces another child.
    Those who are more thrifty (as I must confess the times require) may flea the carcass; the skin of which, artificially dressed, will make admirable gloves for ladies, and summer boots for fine gentlemen.
    As to our City of Dublin, shambles may be appointed for this purpose, in the most convenient parts of it, and butchers we may be assured will not be wanting; although I rather recommend buying the children alive, and dressing them hot from the knife, as we do roasting pigs.
    A very worthy person, a true lover of his country, and whose virtues I highly esteem, was lately pleased, in discoursing on this matter, to offer a refinement upon my scheme. He said, that many gentlemen of this kingdom, having of late destroyed their deer, he conceived that the want of venison might be well supply’d by the bodies of young lads and maidens, not exceeding fourteen years of age, nor under twelve; so great a number of both sexes in every country being now ready to starve for want of work and service: And these to be disposed of by their parents if alive, or otherwise by their nearest relations. But with due deference to so excellent a friend, and so deserving a patriot, I cannot be altogether in his sentiments; for as to the males, my American acquaintance assured me from frequent experience, that their flesh was generally tough and lean, like that of our school-boys, by continual exercise, and their taste disagreeable, and to fatten them would not answer the charge. Then as to the females, it would, I think, with humble submission, be a loss to the publick, because they soon would become breeders themselves: And besides, it is not improbable that some scrupulous people might be apt to censure such a practice, (although indeed very unjustly) as a little bordering upon cruelty, which, I confess, hath always been with me the strongest objection against any project, how well soever intended.
    But in order to justify my friend, he confessed, that this expedient was put into his head by the famous Salmanaazor, a native of the island Formosa, who came from thence to London, above twenty years ago, and in conversation told my friend, that in his country, when any young person happened to be put to death, the executioner sold the carcass to persons of quality, as a prime dainty; and that, in his time, the body of a plump girl of fifteen, who was crucified for an attempt to poison the Emperor, was sold to his imperial majesty’s prime minister of state, and other great mandarins of the court in joints from the gibbet, at four hundred crowns. Neither indeed can I deny, that if the same use were made of several plump young girls in this town, who without one single groat to their fortunes, cannot stir abroad without a chair, and appear at a play-house and assemblies in foreign fineries which they never will pay for; the kingdom would not be the worse.
    Some persons of a desponding spirit are in great concern about that vast number of poor people, who are aged, diseased, or maimed; and I have been desired to employ my thoughts what course may be taken, to ease the nation of so grievous an incumbrance. But I am not in the least pain upon that matter, because it is very well known, that they are every day dying, and rotting, by cold and famine, and filth, and vermin, as fast as can be reasonably expected. And as to the young labourers, they are now in almost as hopeful a condition. They cannot get work, and consequently pine away from want of nourishment, to a degree, that if at any time they are accidentally hired to common labour, they have not strength to perform it, and thus the country and themselves are happily delivered from the evils to come.
    I have too long digressed, and therefore shall return to my subject. I think the advantages by the proposal which I have made are obvious and many, as well as of the highest importance.
    For first, as I have already observed, it would greatly lessen the number of Papists, with whom we are yearly over-run, being the principal breeders of the nation, as well as our most dangerous enemies, and who stay at home on purpose with a design to deliver the kingdom to the Pretender, hoping to take their advantage by the absence of so many good Protestants, who have chosen rather to leave their country, than stay at home and pay tithes against their conscience to an episcopal curate.
    Secondly, The poorer tenants will have something valuable of their own, which by law may be made liable to a distress, and help to pay their landlord’s rent, their corn and cattle being already seized, and money a thing unknown.
    Thirdly, Whereas the maintainance of an hundred thousand children, from two years old, and upwards, cannot be computed at less than ten shillings a piece per annum, the nation’s stock will be thereby encreased fifty thousand pounds per annum, besides the profit of a new dish, introduced to the tables of all gentlemen of fortune in the kingdom, who have any refinement in taste. And the money will circulate among our selves, the goods being entirely of our own growth and manufacture.
    Fourthly, The constant breeders, besides the gain of eight shillings sterling per annum by the sale of their children, will be rid of the charge of maintaining them after the first year.
    Fifthly, This food would likewise bring great custom to taverns, where the vintners will certainly be so prudent as to procure the best receipts for dressing it to perfection; and consequently have their houses frequented by all the fine gentlemen, who justly value themselves upon their knowledge in good eating; and a skilful cook, who understands how to oblige his guests, will contrive to make it as expensive as they please.
    Sixthly, This would be a great inducement to marriage, which all wise nations have either encouraged by rewards, or enforced by laws and penalties. It would encrease the care and tenderness of mothers towards their children, when they were sure of a settlement for life to the poor babes, provided in some sort by the publick, to their annual profit instead of expence. We should soon see an honest emulation among the married women, which of them could bring the fattest child to the market. Men would become as fond of their wives, during the time of their pregnancy, as they are now of their mares in foal, their cows in calf, or sow when they are ready to farrow; nor offer to beat or kick them (as is too frequent a practice) for fear of a miscarriage.
    Many other advantages might be enumerated. For instance, the addition of some thousand carcasses in our exportation of barrel’d beef: the propagation of swine’s flesh, and improvement in the art of making good bacon, so much wanted among us by the great destruction of pigs, too frequent at our tables; which are no way comparable in taste or magnificence to a well grown, fat yearly child, which roasted whole will make a considerable figure at a Lord Mayor’s feast, or any other publick entertainment. But this, and many others, I omit, being studious of brevity.
    Supposing that one thousand families in this city, would be constant customers for infants flesh, besides others who might have it at merry meetings, particularly at weddings and christenings, I compute that Dublin would take off annually about twenty thousand carcasses; and the rest of the kingdom (where probably they will be sold somewhat cheaper) the remaining eighty thousand.
    I can think of no one objection, that will possibly be raised against this proposal, unless it should be urged, that the number of people will be thereby much lessened in the kingdom. This I freely own, and ’twas indeed one principal design in offering it to the world. I desire the reader will observe, that I calculate my remedy for this one individual Kingdom of Ireland, and for no other that ever was, is, or, I think, ever can be upon Earth. Therefore let no man talk to me of other expedients: Of taxing our absentees at five shillings a pound: Of using neither cloaths, nor houshold furniture, except what is of our own growth and manufacture: Of utterly rejecting the materials and instruments that promote foreign luxury: Of curing the expensiveness of pride, vanity, idleness, and gaming in our women: Of introducing a vein of parsimony, prudence and temperance: Of learning to love our country, wherein we differ even from Laplanders, and the inhabitants of Topinamboo: Of quitting our animosities and factions, nor acting any longer like the Jews, who were murdering one another at the very moment their city was taken: Of being a little cautious not to sell our country and consciences for nothing: Of teaching landlords to have at least one degree of mercy towards their tenants. Lastly, of putting a spirit of honesty, industry, and skill into our shop-keepers, who, if a resolution could now be taken to buy only our native goods, would immediately unite to cheat and exact upon us in the price, the measure, and the goodness, nor could ever yet be brought to make one fair proposal of just dealing, though often and earnestly invited to it.
    Therefore I repeat, let no man talk to me of these and the like expedients, ’till he hath at least some glympse of hope, that there will ever be some hearty and sincere attempt to put them into practice.
    But, as to my self, having been wearied out for many years with offering vain, idle, visionary thoughts, and at length utterly despairing of success, I fortunately fell upon this proposal, which, as it is wholly new, so it hath something solid and real, of no expence and little trouble, full in our own power, and whereby we can incur no danger in disobliging England. For this kind of commodity will not bear exportation, and flesh being of too tender a consistence, to admit a long continuance in salt, although perhaps I could name a country, which would be glad to eat up our whole nation without it.
    After all, I am not so violently bent upon my own opinion, as to reject any offer, proposed by wise men, which shall be found equally innocent, cheap, easy, and effectual. But before something of that kind shall be advanced in contradiction to my scheme, and offering a better, I desire the author or authors will be pleased maturely to consider two points. First, As things now stand, how they will be able to find food and raiment for a hundred thousand useless mouths and backs. And secondly, There being a round million of creatures in humane figure throughout this kingdom, whose whole subsistence put into a common stock, would leave them in debt two million of pounds sterling, adding those who are beggars by profession, to the bulk of farmers, cottagers and labourers, with their wives and children, who are beggars in effect; I desire those politicians who dislike my overture, and may perhaps be so bold to attempt an answer, that they will first ask the parents of these mortals, whether they would not at this day think it a great happiness to have been sold for food at a year old, in the manner I prescribe, and thereby have avoided such a perpetual scene of misfortunes, as they have since gone through, by the oppression of landlords, the impossibility of paying rent without money or trade, the want of common sustenance, with neither house nor cloaths to cover them from the inclemencies of the weather, and the most inevitable prospect of intailing the like, or greater miseries, upon their breed for ever.
    I profess, in the sincerity of my heart, that I have not the least personal interest in endeavouring to promote this necessary work, having no other motive than the publick good of my country, by advancing our trade, providing for infants, relieving the poor, and giving some pleasure to the rich. I have no children, by which I can propose to get a single penny; the youngest being nine years old, and my wife past child-bearing.

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