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9:15 am, December 23rd, 2013 - 36 comments
Categories: assets, john key, privatisation -
Tags: air new zealand
No Right Turn is annoyed at having a deliberate liar for a Prime Minister. Who wouldn’t be pissed off with the incompetent lying slimeball..
So, it turns out that John Key lied to our faces when he said that no decision had been made on when his government would sell Air New Zealand:
John Key has played the public for fools, denying that any decision had been made on the timing of the Air New Zealand sale on the very day his Finance Minister signed it off, says Labour’s SOEs spokesperson Clayton Cosgrove.
“The sale of Air New Zealand shares was the worst kept secret in New Zealand on 14 November. That day John Key brazenly claimed no decision had been made on the timing. He was misleading the public.
“Not only had Bill English given the final sign off for the timing that day, new Treasury documents show Cabinet had previously agreed to just two preferred periods for sale, the first of which had already passed. That meant the only possible period remaining was 15 – 19 November. The next day.
“John Key even claimed he had seen no advice that the sell down could not happen between December and March, but he received two Cabinet papers telling him that timeframe was not possible.
The full documents are in that linked press release.
Back under labour, Ministers were forced to resign for misleading the public like this. Key promised us a “higher standard of government”. Shouldn’t he be forced to live up to that promise and follow suit?
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Call me a prick, why did it take you so long to wake to the truth. The man’s been lying through his teeth from Day 1. Scum.. Now the world is waking up to the imposter/unidentified guest!!
“….why did it take you so long to wake to the truth…”
That’s something I’ve been asking since 2008 when the spin meisters were trying to convince us all what a hard life he came from …. pulling himself up by the bootstraps to become something we all apparently should ASPIRE to.
The stereotypical lying used-car salesman hasn’t changed in that regard since day one. Finally! … many are just beginning to wake up, but the habitual liar has to keep lying in a bid to legitimise his/her past bullshit. They usually trip themselves up though – hence the brain fades and “I can’t really remember” crap.
If BliP’s record isn’t enough evidence (even given the possibility that it may not be utterly and completely accurate), nothing ever will be!
I think there’s probably about 10 years difference between Key and myself, but all that ‘struggling ‘ background’ bullshit he apparently came from – I seem to remember in many parts of Christchurch (other than the Fendaltons, and Cashmeres) that was close to the Norman Normal. I bet the prick was heartbroken he never got to go to “Christs” and had to slum it at Boys High!
It wasn’t that long beforehand that people had their shithouses in the backyard and generally there was a welfare system that ensured the struggling John Key and his solo mum didn’t have nearly as tough a time as he now inflicts on those who’re in a similar position as he was (AND I might say – WITHOUT well-off rellies that were never going to see the poor yoof starve).
It was a crock of shit then, and most stuff that comes out of his mouth today is a crock of shit!
I almost leapt to the conclusion that the guy is a pathological liar … but then of course others may know better: http://www.wikihow.com/Spot-a-Pathological-Liar
(Lies aren’t necessarily always consistent for example).
There’s a lot of it about these days amongst pollies on the right trying to push a certain ideology – in the absence of having a couple of brain cells to rub together. It’s not worth the effort trying to slap a label on it. Easier to just realise the guy is a self-promoting, self-absorbed, selfish, insecure piece of shit.
Hate to be a prick, but I’m sure he went to Burnside. Still like to know how his mum got a state house in Christchurch, after they “owned” a business up in Auckland, and what about the house up in Auckland. In those days, regardless of circumstances, once you’d had things like that, you never got into a state house. My mum had a relative through marriage, who was left to raise her 5 children on her own, and she was denied any help through housing corp, and she wasn’t the only one.
I pointed this out over a month ago. The link to my comment includes the relevant Hansard:
http://thestandard.org.nz/air-new-zealand-sale-starts-tomorrow/#comment-729627
So Jonathan Coleman lied to Parliament. This was obvious at the time, and a couple of smart questions by smart opposition MPs would have ended his career and seriously damaged the Key government (because Coleman was officially answering on his master’s behalf).
But that didn’t happen – as usual. There was no instant rebuttal, nothing to pin him down. Instead we get a press release a month later, when nobody’s paying attention. This isn’t a headline now – it WAS a headline then. Too late.
Why do Key and his acolytes lie? Because they know they can get away with it. They know that they can say any old crap, and put it “right” on Christmas Eve when nobody cares.
New Year Resolution for opposition (especially Labour): Kick up backside. If you can’t win on the day, you’ll never win at all.
A month ago….. Fuck all else happening then if this is the big item for the day. What are you going to regurgitate next ?
You are delusional gs, smart questions in parliament go nowhere ! This has been tried many times before.
Arcane rules of parliament allow untruths to be told, that you are not aware of this, well…more fool you.
I’m well aware of it. See countless previous posts.
And you’re wrong. Untruths will always be told – the opposition’s job is to expose them.
+1 Gobsmacked.
Labour don’t seem to ‘get’ the simple propaganda rule that National seems to ‘get’ so well. If people hear something many times they start believing it is true [regardless of whether it is true or not]. Labour MUST refute the bollocks National repeat ad nauseum at every opportunity they get.
I sincerely hope they make the new years resolution you suggest.
Nothing to see here – look Len Brown fucking!
For all of two minutes..
Obsessed
Yes, yes. We know. It’s ok when someone else lies.
Len Brown hasn’t been lying.
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You’re the one making the accusations, it’s up to you to prove them. Consider, though, that the actual investigation didn’t find anything except a few procedural issues which Brown took ownership of.
And BLiP stepped in with some examples of real lies to help you out as well.
Old news. Moving right along then…….lets look at how well the economy is doing, better still lets look at how Len Brown is tarnishing the left.
Bill English politician of the year! Sells off State assets AND for less. Simply STAGGERING.
Of course, the PotY award goes to someone most useful to the journalist concerned.
Its payback for all the favours done. No use killing off the goose that lays the golden eggs.
The failure of the asset sales program makes any sort of award a parody.
Key lies to cover his lack of leadership skills. He is the head of a party that is creating the record for the greatest number of failed policies in New Zealand political history, by any party.
A list of Nationals successes under Key would be short indeed and a list of failures would take to much time.
I wonder how asset sales will be effected by the TPP agreement ? Especially with Americas “Eminent Domain” laws . Could a Transnational Corporation demand the rights to buy state owned assets and sue us if we refuse ?
Rent A PM does it again. Will they still vote for him? Probably. Sighhh.
How does Key keep getting away with it? How much of it is due to the dumbing down of the media? Is it that much of the media is controlled by Key’s puppet masters? Maybe that is why they focused on the lies of a woman who poisoned her husband and ignored proof that Key lied .
It’s a long hard slog to develop a values based political economic counter-narrative and vision. And especially difficult for one which will be effective against the deeply ingrained and widely promulgated neoliberal framework.
Strong, decisive, values based and rational positions win airtime and votes for Labour. KiwiBuild, KiwiInsure, Pike River compo etc. But, they need to keep coming, in order to keep fleshing out the narrative.
However, a lot of forward momentum can be quickly stalled by actions and statements which contradict such a counter narrative and vision. How can you describe yourself as a ‘truly red’ Labour if you are pushing for an increased retirement age for workers and the Tories are not? Or if the secret TPPA is suddenly not such a bad deal?
In the depths of the Thorndon bubble it is too easy to start viewing the Press Gallery and the local political hanger on’s and various corporate lobbyists as your constituency.
The more decisively red that Labour positions itself, the more votes it will convert and turnout, the more confident it will be that it can do exactly that. The less decisively red Labour positions itself, the weaker it’s ranking in the polls, which leads to even less decisiveness in how it positions itself.
By decisively red you mean hard core socialist?, the complete opposite of what we have now?
In the depths of the Thorndon bubble it is too easy to start viewing the Press Gallery and the local political hanger on’s and various corporate lobbyists as your constituency.
Trudat exactamond.
Unless of course you count all that ‘focus group’ and ‘internal polling’ that goes on behind the scenes. I’ve no doubt that is a critical tactical factor that National has going for it.
But this still misses the million odd kiwis who didn’t vote. Or the fact that Labour still cannot depend on more than it’s core 30% or so tribal constituency.
Ultimately Labour is a the ghost of a political machine that was erected by a strong Union movement several generations ago. What we’ve had now since the 1980’s is a self-perpetuating political club far removed from the vitality of it’s mass membership days.
Labour needs to increase it’s membership ten or twenty times. So do the Greens. Both parties need to stop being precious about their political purity and start being places where masses of ordinary people feel like they have some sense of participation and connection. It actually doesn’t take all that much – just some trust and respect towards them.
Yep. The Labour Party was the political wing of a mass societal and socialist pressure movement. The pressure movement has gone, but the political wing remains, staggering onwards.
Now co-opted to this end and that end, variously, and depending on the season.
Xox
I know. Cunliffe dresses up in as Father Christmas, and dishes out free lollies! It will probably work!
Since when was providing struggling citizens with enough of the basics considered a vice? Oh yeah, since the fucking Neolibs took over.
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And another one for the list. Thanks, John, I’m lovin’ it.
[Thanks again BLiP these comments will always be caught up in moderation because of the number of links but please persevere … – MS]
Thank you BLiP once again. You are a remarkable list maker.
To be fair a lot of these items are not so much flat out lies, as Key either misdirecting, spinning or expressing an opinion which is based on incorrect facts. I’d suggest many politicians indulge in these things to some degree or another.
But as the game over Len Brown demonstrates, our media is extremely selective about how it addresses itself to these issues. Any one of these ‘lies’ would have been readily pounced upon by our media and used as fodder for weeks or months if they had been committed by a left-wing politician. Recall the frothing lunacy over the painting Helen Clark signed to benefit a charity.
By contrast while Key might get the occasional tut-tut for his repeated distortions of the truth – he is never pursued or hounded by the pack. That’s why nothing ever sticks to him, and why the lies keep getting more and more egregious.
This asymmetric treatment by corporate media disqualifies them from their role as the “Fourth Estate”. This is yet another prime example of ‘free market’ failure. I’d argue it’s time for a new left-wing government to do four things:
1. Remove the current cosy privileges the current Press Gallery currently enjoys. In the new age of internet media there is no justification for this small cliche of insiders to retain special access to Parliament.
2. Just as owning New Zealand land should be a privilege available to New Zealanders only; so too should ownership of our press and media.
3. If you want to call yourself a newspaper or news source, then your content must be written by local professional journalists. If you want to be a journalist you must belong to a statutory independent professional body exactly analogous to the Medical Association; that supervises entry standards, ethics, peer reviews and professional development. Good journalists should be well paid and be well protected legally and professionally.
4. The role of the Fourth Estate is as every bit as vital to the democratic health of our nation as doctors and nurses are to our physical health. The Fourth Estate should be funded on a similar mixed model – the bulk of journalists should paid from public funds via their professional body (or guild), with the balance from privately funded sources.
As a final thought I would like to see the collective model of journalism (Scoop) developed and strengthened.
And let’s get some proper whistleblower laws put in place, and also make surveillance of bona fide journalists illegal.
Nice job. Do you have a way we can share this list (so the links work)?
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Here’s a link to the raw file . . . share everywhere: https://mega.co.nz/#!g5MSjT5K!dB14kCYosZ0PdQbGxO9PtBGYReBkZ8vfTwJO–GW3n8
thank you.
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Picked off red alert
http://blog.labour.org.nz/2013/12/02/john-keys-backtrack-and-steven-joyces-chickens/
[December 11 2012]
Clare Curran: Will he rule out legislation if the Commerce Commission comes back with a final decision that his Government does not agree with?
Rt Hon JOHN KEY: Definitely not.
http://www.parliament.nz/en-nz/pb/business/qoa/50HansQ_20121211_00000012/12-broadband%E2%80%94wholesale-pricing
[December 2 2013]
John Key on TVNZ Breakfast said : “we were never going to use legislation because we knew right from the get go that people wouldn’t vote for that”
[December 3 2013]
12. CLARE CURRAN (Labour—Dunedin South) to the Prime Minister: Does he stand by his statement that “We were never going to use legislation because we knew right from the get go that people wouldn’t vote for that”?
Rt Hon JOHN KEY (Prime Minister) : Yes, in the context that I made it in relation to the question I was asked.
Clare Curran: If, as he says, he knew from the get-go that he was not going to use legislation, why did his Government’s discussion document include three options to do just that?
http://www.parliament.nz/en-nz/pb/business/qoa/50HansQ_20131203_00000012/12-prime-minister%E2%80%94statements
Key playing long with the truth again.
How come those who support key who posted in this thread have nothing to say about the alleged lie?
BLiP
has your post been emailed to all journos. Print, radio and tv? And often?
In election year at least 1 journo will have the guts to try and make a name for themselves??
Gcsb is the only government dept that listens to the people