Obama v Romney 2

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Against (almost) all precedent, the presidential debates seem to matter this time round. Obama v Romney, the second debate, is in progress. Check out live coverage at The Guardian.

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  1. BLiP 1
    17 October 2012 at 2:57 pm

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    Heh! US politics = Coke or Pepsi?

  2. TheContrarian 2
    17 October 2012 at 3:00 pm

    I’m watching it.

    “US politics = Coke or Pepsi?”

    This year the differences are a little broader than that. There has never been a Randian like Paul Ryan in such a strong position in US politics.

    • BLiP 2.1
      17 October 2012 at 3:05 pm

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      The corpocracy is already in place – the only decision US votes are left with is the degree to which niceties are to be employed in implementation. Obama will utter soothing words to help the medicine go down while Romney will publicly waterboard recalcitrants.

    • s y d 2.2
      17 October 2012 at 3:56 pm

      what are you on….let’s count em off, Nixon, Ford, Reagan, Bush (1 and 2), ….never forgetting Greenspan, Justice Thomas et al..never been a Randian like that idiot my arse..

      • TheContrarian 2.2.1
        17 October 2012 at 4:11 pm

        Neither Bush were Randian (a prime example is GWB’s decision not to embrace Ryan’s budget plan or social welfare ideas and stating that it was mistake of him to even give it credence).

        Reagan grew the size and reach government with is antithetical to Randian polices (and by all accounts Rand hated him)

        Nixon instituted government price controls, the clean air act and other environmental policies as well as setting up the EPA. Not very Randian

        Greenspan wasn’t ever on a ticket but yes, was very Randian.

        • TheContrarian 2.2.1.1
          17 October 2012 at 4:36 pm

          G H.W. Bush also raised welfare payments, increased federal spending on health and childcare as well as greater spending on highway projects.

          • s y d 2.2.1.1.1
            17 October 2012 at 4:56 pm

            Rand herself signed up for social security and medicare… big gummint ain’t no issue for randians, it’s who actually gets the $$$ that counts…..gotta follow the public money into the private trough

            “The New York Times referred to her as the Reagan administration’s “novelist laureate””

            “Rand’s particular genius has always been her ability to turn upside down traditional hierarchies and recast the wealthy, the talented, and the powerful as the oppressed”

            • TheContrarian 2.2.1.1.1.1
              17 October 2012 at 5:05 pm

              “big gummint ain’t no issue for randians”

              Considering Rand rejected the notion of government involvement in industry or the market place at all and your examples not only advocated mixed economies and grew government (even going as far as creating new departments and increasing welfare) then it is correct to say the Ryan is the most pure Randian in such a strong position of the US government. His proposals will scale back many of the programs implemented and supported by Nixon, Reagan et al.

              Also Randian political philosophy wasn’t about the $$$ but getting the government out of the market and out of industry choosing instead to let people choose their services and products on the free market which, in Rand’s mind would increase everyone’s riches. Making it about $$$$ for the few is a corruption when it is about economic freedom without govt. intervention which she believed eroded individual rights.

              (“Rand herself signed up for social security and medicare” which just shows the intellectual bankruptcy of Rand herself).

            • Rogue Trooper 2.2.1.1.1.2
              17 October 2012 at 8:32 pm

              Vicious

    • millsy 2.3
      19 October 2012 at 1:27 am

      The Romney-Ryan ticket has to be the most right wing in recent history. We are talking about a large scale dismantling of anything publicly owned and/or funded. Heck, these guys will probably flog off the Hoover Dam and the TVA, and throw Amtrak and the Great Lakes Canal system in for good measure, though the thousands of US troops stationed in Germany to stop Soviet tanks from rolling into Europe will remain…

      Heaven help anyone who isn’t rich under a Romney Administration.

  3. Urban Rascal 3
    17 October 2012 at 4:05 pm

    Coke or Pepsi but with 2 supreme court judges included.
    Two more liberal leaning judges would swing that court for the first time in history if i’m correct.
    Plus Romney is like 99c cola from pak n save. Sounds like Obama on a stage where his true GOP winning beliefs have to be shuttered.

    • Colonial Viper 3.1
      17 October 2012 at 7:39 pm

      Are they going to overturn Citizens United or the NDAA? Probably not.

      • Urban Rascal 3.1.1
        18 October 2012 at 9:13 am

        More likely on the Democrats side though. I think Americans and alot of people put power in the president and largely ignore the power congress has.
        My understanding is Congress puts bills on the presidents table and he either veto’s or signs into law. Therefor a congress run by the republicans since 2010 on a platform of “No to everything the president wants” slows reform. On the whole Obama passed some of the largest reforming policies in American history. Romney has just flip flopped his whole career.
        HE IS NOT EVEN CONTESTING HIS OWN STATE! That’s how shit he is at leading, his own state where he claims he balanced budgets etc etc etc, they won’t even have him.

        So your looking at a guy who stimulated their economy, got health cover for how many million more and then dealt with two years of republican stonewalling. With hopefully a democratic congress behind him for the next two years. Or a guy whose own state disowns him.

        Worth noting that although Clinton repealed wall street regulation it was passed from a Republican Congress and he had little wiggle room to veto it.
        Obama is by far the lesser of two evils.

        • s y d 3.1.1.1
          18 October 2012 at 9:29 am

          pilgers take on “lesser evilism”…..

          “Liberal hysteria that the Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney is more extreme than Obama is no more than a familiar promotion of “lesser evilism” and changes nothing. Ironically, the election of Romney to the White House is likely to reawaken mass dissent in the US, whose demise is Obama’s singular achievement.”

  4. starlight 4
    17 October 2012 at 7:39 pm

    In a ‘secret video tape recording’ romney said he doesn’t care about the 47%,they will vote
    for obama anyway, then low and behold now he is professing he cares about the 100%,
    desperation comes to mind, his words mean nothing, you can compare the BS to our
    very own american representative,mankee.
    If secret recordings are the only way to find out just how honest politicians are then
    we need more of them,if its good enough for gcsb and winz etc then its time the
    joe public fought back.
    Also if romney wins the race,big bird better keep looking over his shoulder as he
    going to be made extinct, the moment romney wins,.
    Fair suck of the sav,romney is an idiot.

  5. Rogue Trooper 5
    17 October 2012 at 8:00 pm

    Ryan thinks he’s an Atlas (fas$i$t) all Right

  9. Fortran 9
    18 October 2012 at 1:22 pm

    Love the expression Coke or Pepsi – both just full of plain syrup sugar – like both candidates.

  10. BLiP 10
    18 October 2012 at 8:38 pm

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    I still don’t get how the MSM have portrayed Romney as the winner of the first round. I can only conclude that the readership surveys indicated eyeballs would soak up Romney treating Obama like the house servant. Paint me surprised.