On Northland

Written By: - Date published: 1:44 pm, March 4th, 2015 - 113 comments
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Rob at Polity makes some observations on the Herald’s columnists pontifications on what Labour should have done in Northland.

This morning’s Herald has not one but two opinion pieces on the Northland by-election. First, here’s Bryan Rudman:

The March 28 Northland byelection had the makings of a real nailbiter if Labour had stood aside and made it a two-horse race between New Zealand First leader Winston Peters and National’s Mark Osborne. But yesterday, Labour’s leadership played it safe and nominated Willow-Jean Prime, who has been trounced at the last two general elections, as its candidate.

It would have been a high-stakes gamble but, if successful, would have delivered a severe blow to the Key-led National Government’s grip on power. Instead, we can look forward to the ho-hum replacement of one National MP by another, with Mr Peters and Ms Prime scrapping it out for the minor places.

And now John Armstrong:

Andrew Little is wise to have ignored the pressure that was coming even from Labour quarters for him to pull his party’s candidate from the Northland byelection in order to avoid splitting the Opposition party vote and instead boost Winston Peters’ chances of winning the seat.

It is now too late to withdraw Willow-Jean Prime’s nomination as Labour’s candidate. Barring a candidate’s death or sudden incapacity, a nomination cannot be pulled after noon on nomination day – which was yesterday.

Little may not have completely ruled out urging Labour-leaning voters to cast their vote in Peters’ favour. Byelections can be unpredictable affairs. So it is sensible for Opposition parties not to foreclose on their options too early in the campaign.

But Opposition politicians also have to be realistic.

So, clear as mud then. Andrew Little faced a high-stakes gamblling opportunity, and he was either entirely right, or alternatively a total dunce, when he turned it down.

For me, the starting point should be that political parties exist to (1) govern; by (2) running in elections. Only if there was some overwhelming benefit to (1) would you ever choose not to do (2). I don’t see anything overwhelming here, which is why Andrew Little made the right call in running a great local candidate.

If, between them, Willow-Jean Prime and Winston Peters can knock National’s down by a good amount, that will have been a good day for the opposition. Anything beyond that is superb, and may be possible, but should be seen as a bonus. Getting returned in a stronghold seat, but with a reduced majority, isn’t normally a good harbinger for incumbent governments.

 

For the record, I generally agree with Rob at Polity for similar . Where is the advantage for Labour in forcing their candidate to stand aside? What are the disadvantages?

Looking at the numbers and the situation I can neither see Winston or Willow-Jean Prime winning on their own even if the other was not there. Hell, I’ll even bet that their combined vote in the current byelection  where they give voters some choice would be less than 2/3rds of the worst National candidate. This non-gambler would even be tempted at half. I like sure things when I bet.

But even if there was, there are definite downsides for a political party in asking any electorate candidate to stand aside. First they may not do it and even go independent, and secondly it destroys the local electorate organisation that has to fight in future elections for party and electorate votes. There’d have to be a hell of a return for it to be worthwhile for a political party, especially for one who is heading up to it’s century and has a *lot* of experience about what happens inside a political party made up of so many variate people.

But I’d also have to say that people who expect compliant electorate candidates are about as politically naive as Bomber was in expecting Kelvin Davis to give up his hopes of gaining the Northland Te Tai Tokerau to facilitate his opponent’s political hopes. As Rob said on the ideas from Mana that Bomber was munting then and ever since…

All this, you understand, comes from the excellent starting point of wanting to replace the current government with a united, powerful left-bloc of Labour, the Greens, and Internat MANA. Yet the analysis is designed to split the left, not unify it; and the recommendations would help the left lose, not win. Top work.

That kind of rubbish political thought and the denigration that went with it simply resulted in a massive increase in Labour activism  in reaction, and the thousands of extra votes in Te Tai Tokerau. Most of the additional votes going to Kelvin Davis voting against such stupidity.

Voters, especially on the left, make up their own minds who to vote for. A lot of the marking around with parties that are roughly on the same ‘side’ is simply offputting to voters. That is hopefully a lesson that Mana (and some in Labour with their dumbarse attacks on the Greens) learnt from this last election, but I wouldn’t hold your breath waiting for it.

Candidates and political parties should damn well fight their own corner and not expect other parties to help them. That is what the voters expect. Sure, point to policy differences between yourself and your opponents and point to the omissions of the government and previous governments. But leave out the attacks on possible coalition partners. They aren’t required and it just makes it all too easy to paint those coalitions as being too divided to work together.

Voters are going to make up their own minds about their tactical voting.

Personally, as a voter who normally votes Labour and sometimes Green, I can’t see myself ever voting NZ First. Their brand of nostalgic social conservatism is simply something that has little or no appeal to me. Their policy positions that are generally reactively critical rather than suggesting forward looking solutions don’t interest me either

I also can’t see myself voting for Mana when they have “spokespersons” like Pat O’Dea and ardent advocates like Bomber either. People who are far more intent on actively attacking possible partners rather than building partnerships are deeply unappealing to voters (and to me). I suspect that kind of political stupidity didn’t help the opposition in the last election.

If one of those two parties were my only available choice, I’d be likely to simply not vote. I suspect that I am not alone amongst left leaning voters, and not alone in my dislike of a lack of choice of candidates. That is the type of strange self-indulgence that generated games like fantasy football, but translated into the political sphere. It is lazy and ignores the actual behaviours of real voters.

BTW: For the usual conspiracy idiots. I dropped out of being a Labour party member at the end of last year because it was interfering with running this blog. Weirdly, some dipshit fools started complaining to the NZ council (who have nothing to do with our trust) so I dumped my membership to make it clear where my primary political affiliation is. But I haven’t been particularly active inside Labour since early 2010. I actually party voted Green last election. If anyone starts on the usual personal attack malarkey about me being a  Labour hack, then I consider that they just gave me permission to abuse them as I ban them.

113 comments on “On Northland”

  1. jenny kirk 1

    ” Candidates and political parties should damn well fight their own corner ”

    Absolutely LPrent. There are huge numbers of Labour supporters somewhere out there in Northland, and it is Labour’s responsibility to provide them with a good candidate to vote for. And Willow-Jean is not just “good” – she’s outstanding !

  2. felix 2

    Where is the advantage for Labour

    This is exactly what pisses me off about the thinking of many in or around Labour. For a party built on collective action and solidarity they have no fucking idea how to behave as part of a larger whole.

    • Chooky 2.1

      +100

    • Lanthanide 2.2

      I think you’ve missed a step here.

      1. Given National are almost certainly going to win the seat…
      2. …where is the advantage for Labour in capitulating to Winston?

      If circumstances were different, and there was a credible chance Winston could win the seat, Labour might be making a different decision.

      They are instead dealing with the reality we live in.

      • lprent 2.2.1

        That is essentially what both Rob and I argued.

        I just added in the downsides.

        • Skinny 2.2.1.1

          I agree with what has been said about of the downside, Little would know its not worth the grief of the backlash from loyal activists. It does show real passion and metal from Willow Jean and supporters to go hard out again, and for her and family a great commitment with just having had a new born. She puts a lot of deadwood Labour MPs to shame, hopefully enough for them to piss off and do other things like contest mayoral contests and free the list.

      • felix 2.2.2

        If circumstances were different, and there was a credible chance Winston could win the seat, Labour might be making a different decision.

        That’s pretty funny Lanth. Good one.

        Does Labour have a credible chance of winning? Nope. If they did, I might have a different take on this quixotic display.

        Does Winston? We’ll never know, because Labour think it’s more important to fight against the opposition than the government.

        • te reo putake 2.2.2.1

          Not Labour’s problem if Winston is slow off the mark, felix. He’s had weeks to get this organised and has done nothing. Labour were upfront about their plans and NZF could have approached them at any time to see if anything else could be agreed.

          It’s not as if it was a surprise that Labour was standing and the argument that they should step aside now on a whim is as foolish as it was when mana supporters were suggesting Labour should roll over for Hone in TTT. In this world, if you want something to happen, you have to organise it.

          • felix 2.2.2.1.1

            You might as well have stopped typing after the first three words.

            • te reo putake 2.2.2.1.1.1

              Yep. Is that where you stopped reading?

              • felix

                I might as well have.

                The irony of course is that this whole not-able-to-govern-without-other-parties-but-not-wanting-to-work-with-anyone thing is very much Labour’s problem.

                • mac1

                  Felix, as you see it, what advantage would Labour have got by withdrawing in favour of Winston? Remember that Sabin got 52% of the vote.

                  Because, yes, they would need to have a demonstrable favourable outcome. And that wouldn’t be Winston winning. Too long a shot. Too short a bow. Too ill-defined a target.Not enough at stake, should Winnie, well heh, win. It would be National as usual with the usual spin to disguise their loss- like a short sharp war somewhere.

                  Where I come from, having been beaten as a general election candidate for Labour by some 1500 votes and seen the Green candidate secure 3000 votes, I have been very interested in the transfer of votes at electorate level in subsequent elections.

                  Then, some fervent Greens believed that that candidate could win. That man since deserted both his wife and his party to join National.

                  In the last election, the local Green candidate was very strong in his wish for Green supporters to not vote for him. A member of his campaign team knew this but still voted for the Green candidate because ‘he didn’t want him to lose by a lot and hurt his feelings.”

                  FFS.

                  And if you think that I’ve got a down on the Greens? The NZ First candidate in my first election absolutely thought he would win. He got a thousand votes.

                  • felix

                    It’s an opportunity to build a platform for governing with other parties, and to be seen to be doing so. You know Labour can never again govern alone, right?

                    So the question is what’s the advantage to Labour of pretending they have a chance of winning the seat?

                    • Labour have been very cautious in their statements about the outcome. In fact, Little has played down the chances of winning. So no pretence at all.

                      http://www.nzherald.co.nz/northern-advocate/news/article.cfm?c_id=1503450&objectid=11406904

                    • Colonial Rawshark

                      It’s an opportunity to build a platform for governing with other parties, and to be seen to be doing so.

                      All is not lost. Labour did work successfully in co-ordination with many other parties to smash Hone out of Parliament.

                    • felix

                      Actions trp, not words. Of course you know you’re not going to win it.

                      But at least you’ll lose it on your own, right?

                    • mac1

                      It’s not a question of pretending they can win a seat, it’s a question of how much they can show that National have slipped in their safe seat from a 2014 52% showing to somewhat less.

                      In the example I gave of 1970 Marlborough, the by election vote was way down on the ’69 vote. As with all by elections, the ruling party is at a losing end with a struggle to get the vote out. This gives chance to play the per cent age card. “Oooh look how much their vote’s dropped.”

                      No pretense. it’s a Nat seat. So, keep ’em honest, show up, look good, demonstrate a government in waiting for 2017. Give ’em a hard time over all the crap since September last year, and remind them and the country why they’re having an election in a safe National seat.

                      Can’t do that from the sidelines.

                      Can’t trust Winnie to do all that, either. He for example is not able to speak for Labour. Can’t trust him to win even if Labour wasn’t there. It’s not a topple a government in 2015 by-election, so why would left leaning voters vote for Winston? To tell National they don’t like Key even though they can’t change his government this year? They can express dislike for Key by voting their preference.

                      This by-election is about what publicity the opposition can gain and how much or little harm the government can incur; as Northland gains a new National MP from the same Crosby-Textor instructed, 1%er fuelled, socially conservative, financially inept, foreign policy duplicitous, war-mongering, get away with what we can school of tory dross.

                      I can say that from the sidelines, but it ain’t got the same kick as coming from a candidate on the hustings.

                    • Clemgeopin

                      “You know Labour can never again govern alone, right?”

                      Never say never!

                      Lots can take place in politics, economics and the world over time. It is the people that hold the very powerful election decision card. Don’t assume too much.

                      Who would have just a few years ago expected a coloured person of African origin to win the US presidency? or just a decade ago a New Zealand PM becoming an US lapdog and his close golfing buddy?

                      Things happen in mysterious ways!

                    • felix

                      No pretense. it’s a Nat seat. So, keep ‘em honest, show up, look good, demonstrate a government in waiting for 2017. Give ‘em a hard time over all the crap since September last year, and remind them and the country why they’re having an election in a safe National seat.

                      Can’t do that from the sidelines.

                      Yeah that’s what I’m talking about. It’s just that you seem to think a govt in waiting looks like Labour on its own with no mates pretending to fight an election they know they can’t win.

                      I’m also not suggesting Labour should sit it out. Quite the opposite. It’s a pity you can’t imagine anything other than fighting alone or sitting on the sideline.

                    • felix

                      Clemgeopin I like the optimism but if your “Plan A” is to hope for a miracle, you’re in trouble.

                    • mikesh

                      “You know Labour can never again govern alone, right?”

                      They could govern alone as a minority government.

          • Skinny 2.2.2.1.2

            It would be a ho hum affair without peters standing. I can see labour playing a 2017 strategy of Peters not being relevant unless he anoints a successor. So tell
            us who will raise the Sabin issue out of the two?

            • Colonial Rawshark 2.2.2.1.2.1

              Would Prime’s campaign have known of the Sabin issue last election? Must have. Surely.

              • Murray Rawshark

                I think they would have known. Northland is a small place. Labour as a whole had been scared off mentioning any dirt on NAct by the manufactured backlash to Dirty Politics. They let the Tories set the stage and they paid for it.

              • Skinny

                Well there was a lot of gossip surrounding Sabin’s form. There are a number of justice lawyers associated with Labour up here, none of them whispered anything to me. I guess they play it straight, code of conduct/ ethics thing.

                Anyway things need to be pushed along, seeing a smug Key proclaiming a ‘no show’ reminds me of the cup of tea gaff own goal. Got to support the underdogs on this one so will suss a little theatrical number. How timely just got a text from Peters PA to catch up today for a game plan chat.

            • lprent 2.2.2.1.2.2

              I suspect that Peters may in parliament. But it is just about as effective for him to just keep hinting at it

    • Pasupial 2.3

      Felix

      Exactly – it is always; the Labour Party out for the good of the Labour Party, rather than the good of the country.

      While I can see lprent’s point in; “political parties exist to (1) govern; by (2) running in elections”, it does have a certain pre-MMP vibe. None of the minor parties could have been said to have governed, even when they’d negotiated ministerial posts. Does this make them failures? I would say no; if their actions had an affect on the governance of the country (by either; negotiation for support of major parties, or private member’s bills).

      Relying on Dunne not to cave in on every demand from NACT for perks, is obviously a mugs game; but who can claim that this will be the only byelection before 2017? All it’ll take is another seat or two swing away from National and they’ll have to cut a deal with NZF, or call a new election. Either way would be better than the current rule by ShonKey Decree.

      • lprent 2.3.1

        None of the minor parties could have been said to have governed, even when they’d negotiated ministerial posts.

        Wrong.

        Anyone in a ruling coalition governs. Their weight depends mostly on how many MP votes they bring to the table. They expend a lot of effort expanding their votes, which is exactly why they both cooperate in government and compete in elections and opposition.

        negotiation for support of major parties,

        It is not that different from inside caucuses of the major parties. The competition for pushing policies and bills in pretty damn intense. There isn’t the time or political will to do everything inside a major party coalition.

        Say that around the maori or women’s or unionist or any other faction ‘caucus’ inside the Labour caucus and see what reaction you get.

        So far the Labour, National, Alliance, UF, Maori party, Act, Progressives and NZ First (and a few rates and mice) have been governing parties since 1996.

        • Pasupial 2.3.1.1

          lprent

          Terminology aside, I would say that the concessions which the junior governing parties have been able to wrest from the lead party in a coalition have not been determined entirely upon the number of votes that party has received. ACT has always found it easier to get National to agree to it’s policies (Charter Schools!), than the MP, or UF (inasmuch as he has any). This may of course be due to National & ACT having donors and consultants in common, or ACT may simply have devolved into the Epsom branch of National.

          In any case, it is the building of relationships; between parties, as much as; within parties that determines who will be in the government. National and Labour together have an overwhelming majority in parliament, but they are not about to go into coalition anytime soon. The GP have provided confidence and supply to Labour under Clark but have not been a governing party, while NZF, UF and the Progressives (representing fewer voters) were. But no one forgot for a minute that Clark was PM and that Labour was the dominant partner in the coalition.

          Which is why I think of that as a Labour government (with minor party support), just as I think of Key’s government as being a National government. This may not be technically correct, but is a lot quicker to say than naming every individual party in the respective coalitions.

          You say (below); “Do you think NZF will remember a strategic failure in 2 and half years time?”. I’d say; yes they will if Peters decides to contest the Northland seat in that election. The results of this byelection will help determine the likelihood of that.

          • lprent 2.3.1.1.1

            You say (below); “Do you think NZF will remember a strategic failure in 2 and half years time?”. I’d say; yes they will if Peters decides to contest the Northland seat in that election.

            I have no idea why you would think that, he hasn’t proffered anything like it. What is it – a simple faith in the goodness of the man?

            In the meantime you are wanting to destroy a century of work by Labour in the Northland electorate on some vague act of faith.

            And I can’t see any way in hell that he could win either in this election or in subsequent ones. Plus he is what ? 75 and trying to take the electorate based on his personal connections

            Do you have any bridges on offer ? You have to be a con artist…

            • Pasupial 2.3.1.1.1.1

              I don’t have any; “simple faith in the goodness of the man”. Peters is entirely focused out for the interests of NZF, and his political legacy. I just believe that he will remember how his adversaries have acted in this byelection come 2017, and may hold a grudge against Labour if he feels that their actions have thwarted his desires.

              Where you initially seemed to be calling; Labour’s pulling of Prime to support Peters’ Northland bid, a potential “strategic failure” (for the LP). I was attempting to use the same phrase to describe; Peters’ irritation if it turns out that that his standing for the seat was ineffective this byelection (which would be NZF’s “strategic failure”). Obviously, I was unsuccessful in communicating this.

              • lprent

                Why would Peters hold a grudge for something that Labour always does? It fights elections. Prime announced her candidacy long ago. Peters announced last week.

                Peters doesn’t pay fantasy politics much. But he does like publicity, and Northland post Sabin is going to be a hell of a good place to contrast his style of conservative politics against the version that the modern National party has.

      • mikesh 2.3.2

        It seems to be assumed that MMP requires coalitions, but it ain’t necessarily so. A minority party such as Labour could still form a government by itself if it had sufficient confidence and supply support from other parties.

    • lprent 2.4

      Not having a Labour candidate in all likelihood would simply mean that a whole lot of Labour voters wouldn’t vote.

      I wouldn’t vote for NZ First candidates (they’d have to be exceptional before I’d consider it), and definitely not for Winston. My parents are generally Labour supporters, but sometimes NZF supporters and they probably would.

      But If half of the usual Labour Northland general electorate vote turned out to vote for Winston, I’d be absolutely amazed. I’d expect closer to a third.

      So the fantasy jerk off about possible victory dies about there.

      There is a hell of cost in that doing that kind of tomfoolery would be regarded in the Labour activists and member base as frigging Wellington shafting them. They entire structure would disintegrate for sure. Labour would also lose a large chunk of 6k party vote they get in Northland. And for what?

      For a party built on collective action and solidarity they have no fucking idea how to behave as part of a larger whole.

      They are based on collective action and solidarity all right.

      That also means that they aren’t inclined to get stampeded into quixotic self-sacrifices for no reason by people who don’t have a stake in the previous work.

      There has to be a reason to do it. So far the fantasy fools who are so hot on Labour screwing themselves haven’t offered anything that is at all credible.

      Do you think NZF will remember a strategic failure in 2 and half years time? I don’t.. It isn’t like they have a good track record.

    • saveNZ 2.5

      @ Felix
      +100. Times are a changing. One day, people will realise with the me, me, me Labour attitude a vote for Labour is a vote to keep National in, because they can not co operate with any other party for any length of time or do anything strategically to stop National.

      Remember we voted MMP not FPP. National have understood that and used Act, United Future and Maori to stay in power. Labour’s actions mean not only to go on alone, but also to reduce both it’s and it’s natural allies votes.

      I could’t care a less about Willow-Jean because I am only interested in political change and by running her, the likelihood of that is being reduced. There could have been a deal done with NZ First, but nope, just do the easy and predictable thing.

      • mikesh 2.5.1

        “Remember we voted MMP not FPP.”

        Perhaps some form of preferential voting system should be used in bye-elections given that a party vote is not in operation.

    • “ Where is the advantage for Labour

      Where is the advantage for the progressive left, and ultimately, for New Zealand as a whole?

      That would be my starting point.

      I would have thought that reducing National’s majority by even one seat would be the dream of every opponant of this self-serving government.

      Whether that is done by Winston Peters or Ms Prime seems to be of secondary importance to me.

  3. DS 3

    The Right in New Zealand has always had a much better grasp of tactical voting than the Left (2014: Epsom and Ohariu v. Te Tai Tokerau, and a decade ago, Coromandel and Waitakere). A political party exists to mobilise support in order to govern, yes, but under MMP, the bloc is more important than the individual party. Tactical voting means the difference between a National-led Government and a Labour-led Government. That is what it means to govern under MMP.

    That said, I agree with the sentiment that it would not be worth pulling a candidate here. The chances of Winston winning the seat are simply too low to justify the inevitable media spin of “National beats combined opposition” and “Labour does dodgy deals with fringe parties”. If I thought Winston had a chance, I’d be all in favour. But not now: pick your battles and all. Meanwhile, try to mobilise what Labour voters do exist in that electorate, with a view to maximising the local party vote in 2017.

  4. ghostwhowalksnz 4

    With the Mana -Labour fantasy game about keeping Hone in parliament, what is forgotten in that there was a far better after the event game to be played.

    In Waiariki, labour was slightly ahead of Anette Sykes, so if labour had pulled out here and Hone had pulled in the TTT the results would have been

    Two Mps for Mana ,Annette & Hone plus:

    Two Maori party mps knocked out of parliament, which would have had more impact than just swapping Kelvin Davis for Hone Harawira up North.

    Its all armchair, after the game is over stuff, but has the all important give and take of politics than the alternative let Hone win scenario.

    • Pasupial 4.1

      gwwnz

      The numbers were never there for Sykes (though she is well positioned for when Flavell finally retires). If you look at the split vote, you can see of the Labour Party votes, 50% voted for the Labour candidate, 25% for Flavell, and 20% for Sykes. While the 4300 votes for Waititi could technically have all gone to Sykes and won the electorate, they probably would have been more like; 2000 no-shows, 1300 Flavell, 1000 Sykes (very approximate guesstimates).

      http://www.electionresults.govt.nz/electionresults_2014/elect-splitvote-71.html

      I know that Labour and NZF get all the ire of IMP supporters for sabotaging Harawira in TTTokerau. But really, if half of the Green Party voters (458 of 916) who’d candidate voted for Davis had voted for Harawira instead, then the IMPs would have easily been in with two MPs. Also, what the hell was up with the 3% of IMP voters who voted for Davis? I can understand Labour and National (though not so much the 11% of Nat Party voters who voted for Harawira as candidate), even NZF – though that seemed a bit like cutting off their nose to spite their face. But why would 9% of IMP voters go for someone other than Harawira (though most of the 4% Party vote only probably didn’t read the form before ticking).

      http://www.electionresults.govt.nz/electionresults_2014/elect-splitvote-69.html

      It just goes to show that political parties may have any number of cunning plans and stratagems, but the voters are going to do want they want on the day.

      • lprent 4.1.1

        It just goes to show that political parties may have any number of cunning plans and stratagems, but the voters are going to do want they want on the day.

        Pretty much my point. You can suggest something the way that Act did in 2005 in Epsom “2 MPs from your votes”. However you can’t tell them or try to force them.

        I’m afraid that I feel that there are some silly fools around trying to coerce the Northland voters as far as I can see primarily to attack Labour. That is a damn silly strategy for any party on the ‘left’ apart from the Greens (who seem to have been avoiding going there but are the only party organised enough to make it not to be a complete clusterfuck).

  5. jeeze I’m pleased you don’t or won’t even consider voting Mana – how many labour spokespeople over the years have been absolute dimwits? How many still are?

    I agree that you win with the votes and hey I support Mana, does that offset the ‘bad’ spokespeople?

    As for davis – labour will reap what they have sown on that one and it will all come from inside but that is par for the course isn’t it.

    • saveNZ 5.1

      Labour and Labour supporters seem to have endless vitriol for left parties and seem to prefer them to lose along with Labour, so National wins. Maybe it makes them feel better about themselves but for the rest of us wanting political change it makes us think Labour is too arrogant to win.

      • marty mars 5.1.1

        yeah labour labour it meanwhile the rest of us get sfa – by losing they win – real working class heroes lol

      • lprent 5.1.2

        Oh Bullshit. On this site, the ration of vitriol towards Labour from supporters of other parties is about 75% to a maximum of 25% going back the other way. Much of the latter is from me, and I haven’t been a Labour supporter since the end of 2012.

        The Green spokespeople uniformly act well. There are a couple of Labour MPs who are a bit intemperate every other year.

        At Mana, John Minto acts like I’d expect a spokesperson to act, and so does Hone Harawiria. I have a lot of time for Annette Sykes. Probably there are others who I haven’t studied.

        However…

        Pat O’Dea is a gormless fool who to my experienced eye knows very little about the climate change that he is speaking about. To be precise he acts as if he’d sucked down some the hysterics website that didn’t contain any science, had no timescales in it, and has had a religious experience from it. He acts like a revivalist southern preacher with great need for a credulous audience in a tent. Anything that anyone says to him is shouted down as coming from the devil Labour.

        He also acts like one of the more silly trolls around the net, where everytime he gets told that it isn’t a free-for-all he goes off like a spoilt child. That is why the stupid arsehole’s behaviour picked him up a ban here. It was quite clear that he was going to astroturf posts here, whatever authors wrote the topic to be, to his poorly understood obsession on oil, gas, and coal.

        Damn near every every post or comment that of his that I have ever read attacks Labour and the Greens, and most of what he attacks with appears to be lying crap that he has made up.

        He appears to me to be a complete lying rancid pillock. One of the scum of the internet. If I ever see the dickhead then he can expect that I’ll have a great deal of pleasure in tearing into him to see if he actually has a brain or if he is just a brushed hairstyle.

        Bomber has been acting like a complete political fool about other left parties for most of last year. Essentially he attacks them at every possible opportunity, again most of the time for things that he appears to have made up. Even worse he does it repetitively. If you read his rants for the last year, it’d be hard to find posts where he hasn’t had a go at other left parties

        How could anyone respect those transparent clowns? Their pissant behaviour reflects directly back on the party they are pushing.

        Meanwhile if you look around this sites authored posts, you won’t find too many posts that attack other left parties or even NZ First. Offhand most of the posts on Mana for instance have simply said in some way or another that the high hopes of their supporters were likely to be dashed. I know. I wrote a few of them. If realism is an attack (FFS: they got 1.6% of the vote and the polls topped at about 3%), then those offended by those really have a problem with life coming up.

        You have had a few posts by authors expressing their opinions on proposals by left parties, like the idea of a joint platform with the Greens. Some for, some against… As authors we disagree a lot. But generally we just write about different ways of looking at things.

        • marty mars 5.1.2.1

          “Their pissant behaviour reflects directly back on the party they are pushing.”

          Sounds like it is just personal to me – which is fair enough but actually nothing to do with the political party (which isn’t even in Parliament) they support.

  6. saveNZ 6

    If the conservatives vote Winston, National starts losing some votes due to the disgrace of Sabin and Labour, greens and Internet Mana asked their candidates to endorse Peters then there could have been the possibility of National losing the seat.

    Yep might have been a long shot, but it also could also have been an exercise in actually trying to work with others which Labour seems unable to do.

    NZ First (and others) then might be more inclined to work with Labour if they had done a test run.

    • Going along with crazy Winston/Mana theoretical strategies to slightly hinder the government would not endear Labour to the electorate. Doing deals and attempting to manipulate the (left) vote is rightly perceived as anti-democratic shenanigans, and against the spirit of MMP.

      Elections are not only about gathering numbers, they are also a chance to communicate your values to the people.

      If people want to vote Labour, then they should not be denied the opportunity.

      • saveNZ 6.1.1

        Labour clearly have no chance of winning the electorate anyway so they are voting to keep National in. Umm good strategy if you are a National supporter.

        I think the voter spirit in NZ has changed to, collaborate, get in government and get National out. As for Labour values, they look like losers who don’t understand MMP and will be no 2 and keep National in, rather than helping a party that is not National.

        Look at the people in Northland, they will love Winston and his style.

        It costs Labour money to run the by election.
        It costs Labour to lose to National.
        The message to voters is, Labour can’t adapt and strategise.

        Yet another Labour supported badmouthing other parties like ‘crazy Winston’ and ‘Mana’. Labour and their supporter seem to hate every other party, so no wonder they are losing votes. It does not endear Labour to the other parties supporters that might look to splitting their vote to include Labour. Being told their other choice is ‘crazy’ or ‘no knowledge, understanding or experience’ is not exactly a vote pleaser.

        • ropata 6.1.1.1

          By ‘crazy’ i was referring to the tactics not the parties. But I am prepared to make an exception in your case 🙂

      • ankerawshark 6.1.2

        ropata:rorschach 1000+

    • lprent 6.2

      There is nothing that I have seen that indicates that there was even a possibility of that being even a long-shot.

      As I pointed out a number of times, Why should Labour destroy a working organisation in the north for a near impossibility?

      So far no-one apart from Pasupial has even bothered to address that issue. Which is at the core of the issue. Could it be that there is absolutely no reason for Labour to do this stupid thing?

      And Pasupial’s answer to my eye appears to have been based on a faith in a 70/71 year old politician (a high strees occupation) with a party formed around him and with no obvious successor. This is what the insurance industry calls a bad risk.

      • felix 6.2.1

        Why should Labour destroy a working organisation in the north for a near impossibility?

        Ah, there’s that Labour party spirit. Working strategically with other parties on common goals = destroying the organisation.

        • The best strategy for Labour is to build their profile and voter base.
          Why would they throw away years of effort from local volunteers to push dear old Winnie, whose values and popularity are highly questionable.

          • felix 6.2.1.1.1

            Pretty sad state of affairs if that’s the best Labour can hope for.

            Sometimes I wonder if it has sunk in yet that Labour will never be able to govern alone.

            Never.

            Ever.

            • lprent 6.2.1.1.1.1

              Labour are pretty aware they can’t govern alone. No one has since 1996, nearly 20 years ago. National have been sucking the parties of the right (apart from NZF who escaped it twice in 1998 and 2008), and still can’t govern alone.

              • felix

                That’s the sad part Lynn, they are obviously aware of it.

                It seems to me that Labour is like a powerful machine that has been built to perform one function only, and when it cranks over that’s exactly what it does.

                • greywarshark

                  Thanks Clemgeopin. I was definitely unclear and said so. And my reference to Willow Jean referenced another comment which said that she was not important. Very disrespectful for a person who stands to be an MP and goes through the consciousness raising of potential voters required before an election.

                  I could’t care a less about Willow-Jean because I am only interested in political change and by running her, the likelihood of that is being reduced. There could have been a deal done with NZ First, but nope, just do the easy and predictable thing. savenz 2.5

                  Now I don’t think savenz meant to completely diss Willow but it comes out that way. That she is not the most important player in this particular event, should not result in such throwaway comments.

                  Winning if possible and throwing UNACTs off their game, is the important matter in this by-election, not applauding a good fight and performance of the Labour candidate who may well lose. The question is, is that the outcome we are happy with? I don’t think a loss is. Can we do our sums to see if there is a better outcome approaching the matter by opening up the parameters and opportunities??

                  But to disrespect honest and committed politicians is to completely throwaway any hope for having /good/ politicians.

              • mikesh

                Labour, to all intents and purposes, governed alone from 2005 to 2008. Winston Peters and Peter Dunne, during those years, had extra-cabinet portfolios only.

                • felix

                  mike, you’re playing a semantic game there.

                  Call it “minority govt” or call it “confidence and supply arrangements”, call it whatever you want – they’re still not going to do it alone. So why not use these opportunities to lay the groundwork for some of these governing arrangements?

                  ‘Labour vs everyone’ is a losing game.

                  • mikesh

                    “mike, you’re playing a semantic game there.”

                    Not at all. There is a difference between a sitting at the cabinet table on the one hand, and merely providing support through confidence and supply on the other. In the fifth Labour government Peters and Dunne joined cabinet only when matters pertaining to their respective portfolios were being discussed so, to all intents and purposes, they were not part of government, and Clark’s government, with Jim Anderton, was to all intents and purposes, a minority government.

                    I think the Green party expects be sitting at the cabinet table if Labour and the Greens get the numbers in 2017. I think however that this expectation is unjustified; they can’t expect automatic admission to cabinet until they have enough support to supplant either National or Labour as one of the two major parties.

              • saveNZ

                But who are Labour sucking up to, to partner with? I can’t see anybody? Please enlighten me?

                • lprent

                  Do they need to? As far as I can see any other party who doesn’t want to be sucked dry by the National spider has a limited choice of partners to get a majority.

                  Can’t you count?

          • felix 6.2.1.1.2

            ps building cooperative allegiances and laying the groundwork for future governing arrangements isn’t throwing away all the hard work. Quite the opposite.

            Plodding along with the same old same old while you wait for the world to change back, that’s throwing it all away.

          • Colonial Rawshark 6.2.1.1.3

            The best strategy for Labour is to build their profile and voter base.

            Exactly what Winnie is doing, I might add.

        • lprent 6.2.1.2

          And you still haven’t answered the question. Why should they?

          It’d be a freaking miracle to overturn the National majority in a by election, but Labour needs that group of activists to keep getting party vote for Labour in many future elections.

          Why would Labour want to indulge in paying fantasy elections for the deluded?

    • Murray Rawshark 6.3

      There aren’t enough pakeha Labour voters in Northland for Labour to get anywhere. There may well be NAct voters who are disgusted enough by Sabin and the imposition of the new candidate by head office to actually vote for Winnie. I think that’s more likely than them voting for Labour. Winnie can speak their language. He’d play up their concerns to the max. I think he may have had a chance of winning.

      If he had won, we would have seen a weakened Key government. There are already cracks appearing and good things could happen. We could easily end up with another byelection, or the Maori Party could actually side with the opposition on some issues. Calling me a stupid fool for wanting to seize an opportunity may give some degree of satisfaction to one or two, but it does nothing to slow the NAct program for the next 2.5 years.

  7. adam 7

    I’m picking a very low turn out.

    with the under 30’s really not voting at all.

    So a national win.

    I’d be surprised to see an upset. I’m thinking labour may just burn a few more bridges. They seem more and more like the old liberal party, as they were at the beginning of the 20th century.

    And, as always – our msm will spin this so John Key is their good bloke, along side a heavy chorus of ” ‘ant he just great” blasting on the screens and broadsheets for a few days after the vote.

    .

    • DS 7.1

      The Labour-Liberal comparison breaks down when you look at the voter base thing. The old Liberal voter base was small farmers and urban workers. They lost the farmers to Massey’s Reform Party, and the workers to Labour – they were being squeezed from both ends. Labour doesn’t have that problem, because its voter base and the voter base of the Greens or Mana are so very different. Poor people don’t vote Green: poor people either vote Labour or don’t vote at all (or depending on ethnicity and part of the country, they vote National).

  8. Jono 8

    Willow-Jean has had her signs up for a couple of weeks ago, all over the show between Whangarei and Kaikohe, havent been further north recently to see what the skinny is elsewhere. Her team was running a bbq in Kawakawa on sunday and she is definitely out and about.

    The only National advertising I have seen is for Shane Reti in Whangarei, left up from the election. Likewise nothing for NZF.

    Labour would have been tarred and feathered for doing any deals and Armstrong and Rudman wouldnt know Northland if it detached from the Brynderwyns and floated down the Rangitoto channel, speaking as someone who protest voted IMP up here last year and would have appreciated Hone not being denied by the concerted efforts of the other parties to ckick IMP to the curb.

    • ropata 8.1

      +1 very perceptive and informative, chur bro

    • Murray Rawshark 8.2

      I travelling from Whangarei to Kaikohe on the 19th, then from Ohaeawai to Auckland on the 22nd. I also went to Paihia. I can’t remember one election sign.

      • jenny kirk 8.2.1

        Willow-Jean’s hoardings went up last weekend. So far no other candidate signs have appeared (other than Winston’s BLUE bus).

        • Plenty of signs for Labour, Nactum, and Winston along highway 1 (wellsford to kawakawa, at least 2 each) this weekend.

          • Clemgeopin 8.2.1.1.1

            At the recent election in September, National had a Tsunami of big flash hoardings all over the country, saying National is ‘working’ (mainly for the wealthy?). Looked like they had spent tens of millions on the hoardings and on the contractors and workers to erect those around the country. And just a week or so before the election, they ADDED an orange sticker on EACH of those hoardings everywhere again saying ‘PARTY VOTE IS THE MOST IMPORTANT’ or something like that. May be they aren’t putting many hoardings for this by-election because they have figured it out that it will be a quite a waste of time and money this time!

            And as the people seem to be losing their previous trust for Key, I suspect that every time Key visits Northland now, the poor Nat candidate will lose a few more votes each time!

  9. Penny Bright 9

    How politically astute are some of you folk?

    SERIOUSLY?

    In my considered opinion, the candidate with the best chance of taking Northland off National is Winston Peters.

    So – Labour’s candidate Willow-Jean Prime should campaign HARD on the issues, but Labour Party supporters should, (in my considered opinion) think hard about National only having 59 out of 121 MPs if they lose Northland, and STRATEGICALLY vote Winston Peters.

    Good grief – it’s NOT complicated – do the maths!!!

    National need 61 MPs to pass their pro-corporate / anti-worker / WAR on the POOR legislation.

    Why on earth would you not SEIZE the MOMENT to help stuff that up??

    This election is FAR bigger than Northland – it’s outcome will affect EVERY New Zealander.

    Looks to me like a lot of disaffected (former?) National Party Northland voters are probably putting their hands deep into itheir pockets to contribute towards Winston Peter’s by-election campaign?

    That’s some bus!

    https://twitter.com/TovaOBrien/status/572893116589469697/photo/1

    Wonder what National’s ‘whatshisname’ (?) candidate will do in response?

    (Meant of course in a caring way 🙂

    Perhaps (part-time) Prime Minister John Key will come and help with National’s Northland campaign?

    I do hope so ……

    Popcorn!

    yum yum …. 🙂

    Penny Bright

    (Who stood as an Independent in the 2011 Botany by-election, caused by the departure of Pansy Wong, who left under a similar murky cloud, and got 128 votes, but made a HUGE fuss about the pending ‘partial-privatisation’ of State Owned electricity assets.

    Which I think may have helped play a role in the Botany by-election having the second lowest ever voter turnout – 36% , although Botany was a ‘safe’ National seat.)

    • Bearded Git 9.1

      +100 Penny.

      Sorry LPrent you are wrong in this case. Winston is capable of winning in all sorts of electorates, especially with support from other opposition parties.

      Labour/Greens/Mana all should have pulled their candidates in order to give Winston a chance. It’s called tactics under MMP, but Labour do not seem to have grasped this.

      A vote for Labour/Greens/Mana in Northland is a vote to destroy the RMA. Just brilliant!**

      **irony

    • Clemgeopin 9.2

      +1

      I really like your tenacity, guts and intelligence.
      Go Penny!

    • Good grief – it’s NOT complicated – do the maths!!!

      National need 61 MPs to pass their pro-corporate / anti-worker / WAR on the POOR legislation.

      Why on earth would you not SEIZE the MOMENT to help stuff that up??

      This election is FAR bigger than Northland – it’s outcome will affect EVERY New Zealander.

      Precisely.

  10. jenny kirk 10

    ” Not having a Labour candidate in all likelihood would simply mean that a whole lot of Labour voters wouldn’t vote. …….
    ” There is a hell of cost in that doing that kind of tomfoolery would be regarded in the Labour activists and member base as frigging Wellington shafting them.
    ” The entire structure would disintegrate for sure. Labour would also lose a large chunk of 6k party vote they get in Northland. ……… ”

    LPrent is correct in what he says. Real Labour people find it very difficult to vote anything but Labour – whether in an FPP or MMP voting situation. And if Labour withdrew its candidate for Northland, there would probably be wholescale walkout and decades loss of trust in the Party.

    Labour is rebuilding itself, and this by-election gives the Party a chance to show people what it is about, and to talk about what it could do if in government.

    And there is always that niggly little doubt about Winston : has he ever said what he really means, and has he ever done (other than the gold card for superannuitants) what he’d say he’d do if he had the power to do so.

    • felix 10.1

      Jenny, there are only half a dozen “Real Labour people ™ ” in NZ. If Labour is ever to get anywhere near govt again they’ll need a few infidel votes too.

      this by-election gives the Party a chance to show people what it is about, and to talk about what it could do if in government.

      Yeah. Show people that Labour can’t work with others even when they know that they can’t possibly win on their own, ever. Brilliant. Why not instead show that Labour can find common ground with other parties and lay the groundwork for future victories?

      (other than the gold card for superannuitants)

      Yeah, other than measurably and tangibly improving the everyday lives of an entire generation of kiwis at one of the most vulnerable times of their lives, what have the Romans ever done for us?

      Remember when Labour had ideals like that? What’s Labour’s flagship superannuation policy these days? Oh, that’s right…

      • Murray Rawshark 10.1.1

        +1
        To be fair, I think Labour may be thinking about changing their super policy. With a bit of luck, that part of the caucus that thinks 65 is old enough might win the debate.

    • tricledrown 10.2

      Genny real labour voters are becoming harder to find..
      16% In Northland.

  11. mac1 11

    Reading these comments puts me in mind of the run-up to the recent Labour leadership contests

    I just wish that people who climb into Labour would firstly acknowledge their party of preference or membership and then whether they are primarily climbing in to have a go at Labour as they are political opponents on either side of the Left/Right fence.

    I get the impression that many commenters are quite naive about elections, why people vote how they do, and by-elections in general.

    Best outcome I predict is that the Nat candidate (I don’t know his name and it doesn’t matter so long as it has Nat after it on the voting paper) will come in with a severely reduced majority and serve as a reminder to the government that people will change their votes if sufficiently motivated in the next general election.

    The closest by-election that I know of where the ‘expected’ candidate lost was in Marlborough in 1970 when Ian Brooks for Labour beat Tom Shand’s son after Tom Shand died shortly after the 1969 election, an election he would have lost except for the sympathy vote that Marburians gave him as they knew he was terminally ill.

    By the way, Ian Brooks is still going strong, 40 years after losing his seat in 1975. Still feisty, still very politically aware, and still fit enough to play a Bb bass.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marlborough_by-election,_1970

    • lprent 11.1

      1970 for the last by-election upset. I knew it was way before I was interested in politics, but 10 years old sounds about right.

      Fantasy by-elections. The new coming thing… 😈

      • mac1 11.1.1

        It was an upset in terms of the defending party lost. It was not , however, an upset in the sense that in 1972 Marlborough returned Ian Brooks. So I am told by locals Brooks would have won in 1969. It was really a precursor of the bigger defeat that was to be handed out to National in 1972.

        Ian Brooks told me a lovely story that he visited a farmer in his shearing shed and challenged the Labour candidate by saying that he would vote for him if he could shear a sheep. Ian, who had been a small farmer, climbed onto the board and blade shore five sheep. The electoral secrecy veil has been drawn over whether the farmer kept his promise.

        Labour put quite some effort into the 1970 by-election, because it was winnable. I remember that Speaker-to-be Jonathon Hunt spent some time living in Picton whilst canvassing door to door and built up quite a friendship with the local Labour family who billeted him.

    • DS 11.2

      East Coast Bays in 1980 was an upset. On the other hand, the last time a by-election resulted in a loss for the defending party was Timaru in 1985.

  12. Karen 12

    Great post LPrent.
    Labour has absolutely nothing to gain by standing aside for Winston, who has no chance of winning anyway IMO.

  13. greywarshark 13

    Thi is a by election, a one-off with likely different approaches than would come in a normal election. If there is a strategic advantage of not totally pushing Labour then that is a strategy that should be considered.

    think we should all show respect for the candidate Willow Jean Prime but sometimes they have to put the party’s needs first. It’s part of doing an ship and shows a reliable and supportive heart and tenacity for long-term results.

    What would happen if the vote was split – electorate Winston, party Labour. Or electorate Willow Jean – party NZF? Someone will have it clearer in their mind than I have.

    • Clemgeopin 13.1

      Your last two paragraphs are unclear.
      Anyway, the by-election involves only candidate vote, no party votes

  14. greywarshark 14

    If activists are actually the soul and driver of the Labour Party then it is reasonable to expect them to show a touch of humility when one sees how the Party has lost its way since David Lange.

    It has gone to being dominated by the self-satisfied middle class with vague Liberal leanings who regard themselves as the fount of all wisdom and socially suave,. Then there are the children of former Labour leaders who have grown up with Labour ideas, held them and honed them and used them as poles to vault into middle-class mores like Roger Douglas did. Away from the Chartists and seeking the celebrity pop charts where they talk to media hosts in a way that will enhance their persona.
    edited

  15. logie97 15

    Since when has it been a requirement for voters to be told by the media, or a political party, which way to vote. When individual voters enter the polling booth they can put the tick against whichever candidate they choose. Give them a little credit for being able to make a decision. (It has been said that there are a few unintelligent voters in Ohariu and Epsom who voted tribally with their electorate tick and in consequence returned Dunne and Seymour). If they still haven’t learned how to vote tactically then more fool them.

    • greywarshark 15.1

      Who is taking the right of personal choice away from the voter.? Advice is being given on how people could vote tactically. Using knowledge acquired from the past or from carefully considered theories, and applying it if useful, in future, is how we learn.
      Rote learning has been found to have limitations on educational development.

      And working out how to achieve a goal requires planning which, if it doesn’t produce results, must be revised. That is if the people involved are keen to get the goal rather than enjoying the process of consensus and group interaction.

  16. Pasupial 16

    Trotter has a post on this issue up on TDB, his view largely corresponds to lprent’s. If anything, it is a more extreme exhortation for Labour to go it alone:

    Andrew Little’s political role model for the next three years should be Don Brash. Because, if the National Party is able to look upon their present leader as the Messiah, it is only because his lanky predecessor took on the role of John the Baptist. “Prepare Ye the Way of the Lord”, in Don’s case, meant eliminating the Act, United Future and NZ First parties as serious competitors for the right-wing vote…

    This is now the real mission of Andrew Little and his team. To find the means of both reassuring and activating Labour’s base. This does not mean producing his very own version of Brash’s Orewa Speech, but it does mean acknowledging the consistent messages being sent to the party by those who feel themselves to be Labour, but who no longer believe that Labour feels itself to be them.

    Standing with these voters will, almost certainly, mean that a vociferous, but much smaller, number of voters will end up walking away. Little must let them go. The job of winning them back isn’t his, it belongs to Labour’s own (yet to be properly organised) ideological ninjas. On the blogs, Facebook and Twitter; over bottles of beer at the pub; or glasses of wine at the dinner-table; the labour movement’s oldest lessons must be rehearsed again and again: “If we don’t stick together, then we won’t fight together. If we won’t fight together – then we can’t win.”

    The Left needs to accept and understand that the “we” in those sentences is directed at Labour’s once and future voters.

    Not the Greens’ – and certainly not NZ First’s.

    http://thedailyblog.co.nz/2015/03/04/sorry-winston-why-labour-needs-to-stand-in-northland/#comment-276669

  17. Ray 17

    And today Winstone “with the greatest respect ” says he doesn’t want Labour to pull out
    Anybody who does, really doesn’t understand realpolitik politics

    • Clemgeopin 17.1

      “with the greatest of respect” quote from Winny

      And I have the greatest of respect for Winny, the wily, witty and wise warrior of NZ politics despite tremendous odds stacked up against him time and time again.

      A brilliant politician.

  18. Penny Bright 18

    Both Pat O’Dea and myself stood against John Banks in Epsom in 2011, because both of us understood MMP, and how dependent the John Key led National Government was on that pivotal ACT vote.

    Seems Pat O’Dea has a far greater understanding of MMP, and ‘strategic’ voting, than you do lprent – in my considered opinion.

    Penny Bright

    (Who remembers clearly how National did NOT have the numbers to pass their legislation to cut back on workers’ rights to smoko breaks etc, after John Banks was forced to resign from Parliament?

    Something I was VERY involved in, together with Graham McCready and a tiny handful of others?)

  19. Clemgeopin 19

    Labour needs to talk to the voters about issues and their party policies.
    But, being an electorate by-election, I think the voters of all political persuasions will cast their vote tactically this time based on the contemporary situation rather than how they might vote in a general election in 2017.

    Right now, there are lots of issues for traditional National/Labour/Green/ACT/Maori/Dunne/Conservative voters to think about and votes will shift around in unexpected ways.

    * Farmers are feeling snubbed by National’s candidate selection. Many votes for Winston there.
    * ACT/MP/UF would prefer Winston winning as it will make them stronger in coalition. More votes for Winston.
    * There are ructions going on in the Cons. National did not have a cuppa with them at last election. More votes for their conservative brother Winston.
    * Greens are a little angry with Labour for security comm position for Shearer and may be quite as mad as Mojo because of some naughty comments by pro Lab childish commentators. More votes for Winston.
    * Labour voters will be confused with a dilemma which may ease as media polls come in. Likely more vote shift to Winston.

    My own armchair GUESTIMATE of the result is as follows:
    [Note: Most of my predictions at last election went completely kaput]

    Mark Osborne : 39%
    Winston Peters : 34%
    Willow-Jean Prime: 22%

    Total Valid Votes 21,000.

    • Pasipial 19.1

      Clemgeopin

      The first media poll is in, and shows a clear lead for Peters, though it’s not clear whether this is greater than the margin of error (which, if [theoretically – assuming no selection bias]; the reciprocal square root, would be about 4.5% on a sample of 500):

      The first opinion poll on the March 28 by-election has shown the NZ First leader ahead of National’s candidate Mark Osborne by 35 percent to 30 percent.

      Labour’s Willow-Jean Prime is a distant third on 16 percent and none of the others are on the radar.

      http://www.3news.co.nz/nznews/age-no-barrier-for-winston-peters-2015030605#axzz3TXgDL5G9

      Based on the Chch East byelection, I would guesstimate the turnout to be closer to 14,000.

      • Clemgeopin 19.1.1

        @Pasipial (Sp?)

        Thanks for the reply. Winston’s position will only improve after this poll, because he is the ONLY politician that is WIDELY liked/admired/respected by people from ALL political parties and of all age groups and genders! For that reason too, I think the turnout will be higher than expected.

        The by-election result may be closer than what this poll showed because there 19% are yet UNDECIDED. That is a large %.

        There will be another poll (tv1) this weekend, probably tomorrow.

        • Pasupial 19.1.1.1

          Thanks for the headsup on the spelling. From this screenshot on TDB, it appears that the 19% is both; Won’t vote, as well as; Don’t know. The presentation of the statistics on that TV3 link leaves a fair bit to be desired.

          http://thedailyblog.co.nz/2015/03/05/poll-shows-winston-winning-northland/

          • Clemgeopin 19.1.1.1.1

            Based on the Tv3 poll above, my own revised warm chair guesstimate is:

            Mark Osborne : 38%
            Winston Peters : 36%
            Willow-Jean Prime: 21%

            Total Valid Votes 22,000.

            • Clemgeopin 19.1.1.1.1.1

              Based on the Tv1 poll and Andrew Little’s comments today on Q and A, my revised warm chair guesstimate is:

              Mark Osborne : 38%
              Winston Peters : 44%
              Willow-Jean Prime: 13%

              Total Valid Votes 21,000.

      • greywarshark 19.1.2

        Spelling? Pasipial or Pasupial.

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    Reprinted from Jacobinmag by Jane Slaughter and Chris Brooks Almost 50,000 UAW workers are on strike against GM and a two-tier labor system that undermines worker solidarity. But members may need to wage a battle on two fronts — against the company, but also against their own union leadership. Forty-nine ...
    RedlineBy Daphna
    1 day ago
  • Who Will Be Fed Next To The Hungry Gods Of Politics?
    Before Jacingrant There Was Gracinda: Grant Robertson and his 2014 running mate, Jacinda Ardern. She stood at his side: loyal and obliging, as she had ever been. The media dubbed this duo “Gracinda” – a sort of political “Brangelina”. The other young people who worked alongside Robertson were also ambitious ...
    2 days ago
  • Simon Bridges: the 15 March Christchurch massacre and winning at any cost
    . . Just when you thought Simon Bridges couldn’t sink any lower – he has. After the March 15th  Christchurch terror attack, the (current) Leader of the National Party issued strong committments to support urgently needed gun law reform; “We will be ready and prepared to be constructive and to ...
    Frankly SpeakingBy Frank Macskasy
    3 days ago
  • Only the least intelligent students, with bad parents, will attend the nonsense climate strike
    We all know that bad parents simply don’t care about their children’s education. Most truants have loser parents, and grow up to be involved with crime, or in low paid employment usually like their parents. The nonsense so-called “climate strike” coming up will be attended mostly by the least intelligent ...
    An average kiwiBy admin@averagekiwi.com
    3 days ago
  • Professional Internet Trolls being used to push manmade climate change lies
    Is the terrorist Organisation Greenpeace and the loony Green parties around the World hiring professional internet trolls? I have noticed a trend lately where if you post research, news articles or even comments that show the manmade climate change scam to be just that, you are immediately attacked, often within ...
    An average kiwiBy admin@averagekiwi.com
    3 days ago
  • Climate Change: Strike!
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    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    4 days ago
  • Climate Change: Squandering our opportunity?
    The Herald has a story today about the 400 MW of wind power currently under construction. Good news, right? Except that none of it is being driven by policy (instead, its about replacing Contact Energy's Taranaki Combined Cycle gas-fired power plant, due to shut down in 2022), and most of ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    4 days ago
  • Protect The King!
    To Protect and Serve: When the Prime Minister finds herself enmeshed in the coils of a full-blown political scandal, her colleagues and party comrades have only one priority: to release her as swiftly – and with as little lasting injury – as possible. Is this what Jacinda Ardern’s colleagues and ...
    4 days ago
  • The rot at the top.
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    KiwipoliticoBy Pablo
    4 days ago
  • Challenging the voting age in court
    The Make It 16 campaign to lower the voting age is launching this afternoon, and they have already announced plans to challenge the law in court:The campaign, named "Make it 16" will launch at Parliament on Friday, with plans to take their case to the High Court, testing the rights ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    4 days ago
  • Israel’s elections herald a long siesta
    by Daphna Whitmore The long years of Netanyahu’s reign are drawing to an end. For years he has epitomized reactionary zionism as he oversaw hundreds of thousands of Jewish settlers seize land in the West Bank. There are now 700,000 settlers, putting an end to the myth that Israel was ...
    RedlineBy Daphna
    4 days ago
  • Petrol companies promise prices will come back down once peace is restored to the Middle East
    BP, Z and Mobil all insist that petrol price hikes are temporary, “in a very literal sense.” The nation’s major petrol providers are trying to allay customer fears over prices, promising that they’ll move to lower them again “immediately” when the Middle East is returned to its formerly peaceful state. ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    4 days ago
  • All Blacks unveil boat for Rugby World Cup 2019
    South African coach Rassie Erasmus says he has no idea what they’re going to do about the boat. In a highly anticipated press conference this afternoon, All Blacks coach Steve Hansen has finally unveiled the team’s boat for its Rugby World Cup 2019 campaign. In a press conference that went ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    5 days ago
  • An increasingly shoddy coverup
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    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    5 days ago
  • If we are to avoid making the earth uninhabitable, we need to rapidly decarbonise our civilisation, and cut emissions to zero as quickly as possible. This seems like an impossible task, but its not. Pushing hard on a few technologies and trends will let us halve emissions in a decade:Greenhouse ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    5 days ago
  • A further attack on transparency
    The Local Government Act 2002 Amendment Bill (No 2) had part of its committee stage yesterday. its a generally tedious bill about the nitty-gritty of local government reorganisation. But it includes a clause making the Local Government Commission subject to the Ombudsmen Act, and hence the OIA. Great! Except of ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    5 days ago
  • Ihumātao and Treaty settlements
    Yesterday Ihumātao's mana whenua reached a consensus that they would like their land back, and asked the government to negotiate with Fletcher's for its return. The government's response? Try and undermine that consensus, while talking about how doing anything would undermine existing Treaty settlements. The first is just more bad ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    5 days ago
  • Protecting our history
    Its Suffrage Day, the 126th anniversary of women winning the right to vote (but not stand in elections) in New Zealand. And to celebrate, the government has bought Kate Sheppard's house in Christchurch:The government has bought Kate Sheppard's former home in Christchurch for more than $4 million. The Ilam villa ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    5 days ago
  • Climate Change: Ostracising the coal-burners
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    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    5 days ago
  • Jojo Tamihere Salutes Herr Goff.
    Get Back Jojo! The elation in Mayor Phil Goff’s camp may be easily imagined as they watched social media light up in indignation at challenger John Tamihere’s "Sieg Heil to that" quip. Just when JT’s notoriously right-wing, sexist and homophobic stains were beginning to fade back into his ‘colourful’ past, ...
    5 days ago
  • Hard News: A fun but flawed weed documentary
    Patrick Gower is good value when he's high. Not that I've ever, you know, got stoned with him. But in the second part of his documentary Patrick Gower on Weed, he does what you'd expect in a modern weed documentary and immerses himself – first with a doctor, then a ...
    5 days ago
  • Candidate Survey: Western Bay of Plenty – Local Body Elections 2019
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    Closing the GapBy Tracey Sharp
    6 days ago
  • Project Nettie calls on scientists to defend biology
    Please spread widely, and sign, to support science and rationalism over the new irrationalism sweeping universities and institutions.  PROJECT NETTIE Sexual reproduction, the generation of offspring by fusion of genetic material from two different individuals, evolved over 1 billion years ago. It is the reproductive strategy of all higher animals ...
    RedlineBy Daphna
    6 days ago
  • I’m glad I don’t live in Auckland
    Just when I was thinking that Palmerston North's mayoral race (which includes a convicted child molester / public wanker and a convicted child beater) was the worst in the country, Auckland mayoral candidate John Tamihere opened his mouth:Auckland mayoral candidate John Tamihere is being slammed for using the words "sieg ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    6 days ago
  • Index of Power Update, 2018-19: China #2
    We reprint below an article from the excellent website the Economics of Imperialism by Tony Norfield This is an update of the statistics for my Index of Power, using data for 2018-19 and discussing what a country’s ranking reflects. The major change is that China’s rank has shifted up and ...
    RedlineBy Daphna
    6 days ago
  • Climate Change: A history lesson
    Why is New Zealand climate change policy so crap? The Herald this morning has a long article on the twists and turns of climate change policy in New Zealand [paywalled / depaywall script], which shows where we've been. The short version is that the government first began worrying about this ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    6 days ago
  • What the All Blacks Mean to Us
    The All Blacks have been, for more than a century, arguably the most successful International sports team in the world. But they are more than that; even for those Kiwis who are immune to the charms of rugby (and there are more than a few), the All Blacks are ambassadors ...
    Bryan GouldBy Bryan Gould
    6 days ago
  • No one is born into the wrong body
    A short and incredibly powerful speech from a young lesbian woman. No one is born in the wrong body. ...
    RedlineBy Daphna
    7 days ago
  • Contempt
    Back in June, the UK Court of Appeal ruled that that country's continued arms sales to Saudi Arabia were unlawful. So you'd expect that the UK government stopped approving them, right?Of course not:The government has apologised for breaching a court ruling against the sale of weapons to Saudi Arabia that ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    7 days ago
  • Covering up the cover-up
    Yesterday NZDF officials were put on the stand about the lies they had told over Operation Burnham, making implausible claims that it was all a big mistake. But along the way, we learned they had already been put on the spot about it by a previous Defence Minister, who had ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    7 days ago
  • Not as important as they think they are
    Farmers have been whining a lot lately, about the methane targets in the Zero Carbon Bill, about Canterbury's proposed nitrogen limits, and about the government's new proposals to stop them from shitting in our lakes and rivers. These policies are "throwing farmers under the tractor", they will force farmers off ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    7 days ago
  • Behind Every Good Woman Should Stand – Another Good Woman.
    Alone, Alone, All, All, Alone: To argue that the Prime Minister is the victim of her advisers’ failure to keep her informed may offer Jacinda some measure of exoneration – but only at the cost of casting her as a hopeless political ingénue. A star-dusted muppet, whose only purpose is to ...
    1 week ago
  • Poor quality, poorly educated kiddie ‘Journalists’ spreading fake news
    In times of hysteria about the “World coming to an end” and “rising sea levels” so-called ‘Journalists’ who can barely spell words longer than four letters are having a ball! Though the majority of the Public have worked out that manmade climate change is nothing short of pseudo-science, and the ...
    An average kiwiBy admin@averagekiwi.com
    1 week ago
  • Chris Trotter on the BFD
    I don't want to give pblicity to certain parts of the internet that are better left to fester in their own irrelevance (I know, a bit like this place) but the listing of Chris Trotter as a 'author' on Cameron Slater's spinoff website, the BFD requires some explanation.Now, I don't ...
    1 week ago
  • Sex is not a spectrum
    The text below is a Twitter thread by Heather Heying that explains the essence of sexual reproduction and it long evolutionary history. She is an evolutionary biologist and a “professor-in-exile” after she and her husband, Bret Weinstein, stood up to supporters of an enforced “Day of Absence” for white staff and teachers ...
    RedlineBy Daphna
    1 week ago
  • Climate Change: Trees, aviation, and offsets
    With crunch time for new Zealand climate policy approaching, most of the New Zealand media have got on board with a global reporting effort to cover the issue. There's one strand of stories today about polling and what it shows about changing public attitudes to the crisis, but the strand ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • Pissing-Off The Israelis Is A High-Risk Strategy.
    Dangerous Foes: For those readers of Bowalley Road who feel disposed to dismiss any prospect of an Israeli destabilisation of New Zealand politics, the example of the United Kingdom repays close attention. Ever since the election of Jeremy Corbyn as leader of the British Labour Party, the Israelis have sanctioned, funded and ...
    1 week ago
  • Something to go to in Wellington
    Make It 16, the youth-led campaign to lower New Zealand's voting age, is holding an official campaign launch at Parliament this Friday from 16:30. If you'd like to attend, you can register using EventBrite here. ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • A founding member responds to Peace Action Wellington
    by Don Franks It was a lovely sunny Wellington afternoon with blue skies above  the beaches.  In Courtenay Place, political activists packed out a stuffy upstairs room for an important meeting. The assembled pacifists, anarchists, communists and independent young radicals of Peace Action Wellington felt the need for a mission ...
    RedlineBy Admin
    1 week ago
  • “Mistakes and errors”
    Current and former NZDF top brass are being publicly grilled this week by the hit and run inquiry over their public responses to allegations of civilian casualties. Previously, they've claimed there were no casualties, a position which led them to lie to Ministers and to the public. Now, they're saying ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • “Homosexuality is same-sex attraction and relationships, not heterosexuals with delusions of gende...
    by Rafael D. Quiles (gender-critical gay man from Puerto Rico) The writing on the wall is right in people’s faces and people just don’t see it or don’t want to. What could actually possess a heterosexual male to want to feminize himself and claim that he is a lesbian? Because ...
    RedlineBy Admin
    1 week ago
  • Trump: “Where’s my favourite dictator?”
    From the Wall Street Journal:Inside a room of the ornately decorated Hotel du Palais during last month’s Group of Seven summit in Biarritz, France, President Trump awaited a meeting with Egyptian President Abdel Fattah Al Sisi. Mr. Trump looked over a gathering of American and Egyptian officials and called out in ...
    1 week ago
  • Magdalen Burns, 1983-2019, fighter for women’s liberation
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    RedlineBy Admin
    1 week ago
  • Parliament and the Executive
    The Brexit issue has certainly brought with it a series of apparently difficult constitutional issues, many of them concerning the respective roles of the executive and parliament. Most of them arise because of the unwillingness of MPs, despite their professions to the contrary, to be bound by a constitutional rarity ...
    Bryan GouldBy Bryan Gould
    1 week ago
  • The Abigail Article; Martyn Bradbury’s Article, and My Response
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    Frankly SpeakingBy Frank Macskasy
    1 week ago
  • Police will have to wear silly Buckingham Palace hats from now on, says Police Minister
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    The CivilianBy admin
    2 weeks ago
  • A sensible crackdown
    The government has released its Arms Legislation Bill, containing the second tranche of changes to gun laws following the March 15 massacre. And it all looks quite sensible: a national gun register, higher penalties for illegal possession and dealing, tighter restrictions on arms dealers and shooting clubs, and a shorter ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • California bans private prisons
    Private prisons are a stain on humanity. Prison operators explicitly profit from human misery, then lobby for longer prisons terms so they can keep on profiting. And in the US, prison companies run not only local and state prisons, but also Donald Trump's immigration concentration camps. Faced with this moral ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • Why PPPs are a bad idea
    When National was in power, they were very keen on Public-Private Partnerships (PPPs) - basicly, using private companies to finance public infrastructure as a way of hiding debt from the public. They were keen on using them for everything - roads, schools, hospitals. But as the UK shows, that "service" ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • A Movement That No Longer Moves.
    Moving And Shaking: There was a time when people spoke matter-of-factly about the “labour movement” – a political phenomenon understood to embrace much more than the Labour Party. Included within the term’s definition was the whole trade union movement – many of whose members looked upon the Labour Party as ...
    2 weeks ago
  • NZ ‘left’ politically embracing extreme postmodernism
    by Philip Ferguson Much of the left, even people who formally identify as marxists, have collapsed politically in the face of postmodern gender theory of the sort pioneered by American philosopher Judith Butler. For Butler even biological sex is socially constructed. “If the immutable character of sex is contested, perhaps ...
    RedlineBy Daphna
    2 weeks ago
  • The obvious question
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    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • The moment I found out that you found out, I acted swiftly
    By Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern I am every bit as angry as you are. I am every bit as disappointed as you must be. The people with power, oversight and the ability to do something about these processes within the Labour Party should be ashamed. Whoever those people are, I ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    2 weeks ago
  • This is why people hate property developers
    Property developers think there is an "oversupply" of houses in Auckland:High turnover rates and falling prices may be a sign that there are too many new houses going in to some parts of Auckland, commentators say. [...] Property developer David Whitburn said there was a "bit of an oversupply" in ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • Australia to Pacific: “Fuck you, you can all drown”
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    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • Implausible ignorance
    Labour Party president Nigel Haworth resigned yesterday over the party's sexual assault scandal. But while that's good news, its unlikely to take away the stench of a coverup. Because according to Paula Bennett in Parliament yesterday, pretty much everyone in the Prime Minister's office was involved as well:I have been ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • Labour’s Fatal Flaw.
     Two-Faced? Labour insiders' commitment to the neoliberal status quo puts them at odds with their party’s membership; its trade union affiliates; and a majority of Labour voters, but this only serves to strengthen the perception they have of themselves as a special elite. Among the lesser breeds, they’ll talk up a ...
    2 weeks ago
  • Ten reasons the Tories do NOT want an election
    There has been a lot of talk about Boris Johnson wanting an election, and he has blustered with great gusto about 'chicken' Jeremy Corbyn refusing one, but I think there are many reasons why he is secretly glad he has been refused the opportunity:The Tories are an utter rabble,tearing themselves ...
    2 weeks ago
  • Prorogation Illegal, rule Scottish judges
    Scottish appeal court judges have declared that Boris Johnson’s decision to suspend parliament in the run-up to the October Brexit deadline is unlawful. The three judges, chaired by Lord Carloway, Scotland’s most senior judge, overturned an earlier ruling that the courts did not have the powers to interfere in the prime ...
    2 weeks ago
  • Let me explain what I meant by Everyday New Zealanders
    By Simon Bridges. The following is a press release from the office of Simon Bridges, leader of The National Party. Key ora, New Zealand. Happy Maori Language Week. Look, I’m writing to you today because I want to clear something up. There’s been a lot of kerfuffle around some things ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    2 weeks ago
  • Yes, the SIS is subject to the Public Records Act
    I understand there's some stuff going round about how the SIS "was removed from the list of public offices covered by the Public Records Act in 2017". The context of course being their records derived from US torture, which will be disposed of or sealed. The good news is that ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • An evidence-based discussion of the Canadian fluoride/IQ study
    Dr. Christopher Labos and Jonathan Jarry discuss the recent Canadian fluoride/IQ research. They provide an expert analysis of the paper and its problems. Click on image to go to podcast. The critical debate about the recent ...
    2 weeks ago
  • Climate Change: Australia in denial
    Australia is burning down again, and meanwhile its natural disaster minister is denying climate change:Australia’s minister responsible for drought and natural disasters, David Littleproud, has said that he doesn’t “know if climate change is manmade”. Clarifying earlier comments that the question is “irrelevant” when considering the Coalition government’s response to ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • Philippines activist speaking on the Duterte tyranny
    Auckland Philippines Solidarity is excited to host Professor Judy Taguiwalo for a speaking tour of NZ in September. She is a well-known activist in the Philippines and was a political prisoner under the Marcos dictatorship. Professor Taguiwalo briefly served as a Cabinet member under President Duterte but was forced from ...
    RedlineBy Daphna
    2 weeks ago
  • Disgust
    I have no special insights to offer on the Labour sexual assault coverup. All I have is disgust. Disgust that an organisation could fail its people so badly. Disgust that they punished the victims rather than the perpetrator. Disgust that its party hacks are apparently blaming the victims for demanding ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • Speak Up for Women calls out Greens’ censorship
    This open letter to the Green Party was penned after an opinion piece by Jill Abigail, a feminist and founding member of the party, was censored by the Greens’ leadership. (Redline has reprinted her article here).The intolerance of the Green Party leaders and their acceptance of the misogyny of gender ...
    RedlineBy Daphna
    2 weeks ago
  • Member’s Day: End of Life Choice, part 3
    Today is a Member's day, and David Seymour's End of Life Choice Bill continues its slow crawl through its committee stage. They're spending the whole day on it today, though the first hour is likely to be spent on voting left over from last time. After that they'll move on ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • Flight to Los Angeles turned back after passengers decide they don’t want to go anymore
    An ambitious plan to fly to Los Angeles petered out into a brief sight-seeing trip and a desire to return home and get some sleep before work tomorrow. Air New Zealand has confirmed a flight to Los Angeles last night was turned back about a quarter of the way into ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    2 weeks ago
  • Indigenous Futures: defuturing and futuring – an analytical framework for policy development?
    There appears to be consensus – by omission – that the concept of indigenous futures should be accepted at face value. So I scavenged the internet to see if I could locate an academic descriptor or a framework around how we think about it as a concept, and whether it ...
    EllipsisterBy Ellipsister
    2 weeks ago
  • Cadbury rumoured to be releasing the Pineapple Trump
    Here’s another novelty chocolate to shove in your gob, New Zealand Cadbury could be seeking to make itself great again with a rumoured new release: Pineapple Trumps, a spin on its classic chocolate-encased pineapple treat and do-it-yourself tooth remover. The global confectionery manufacturer and bumbling “before” character in an infomercial, ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    2 weeks ago
  • The coming resource war.
    During my time in the Pentagon I had the privilege of sitting down with military leaders and defence and security officials from a variety of Latin American nations. Sometimes I was present as a subordinate assistant to a senior US defence department official, sometimes as part of a delegation that ...
    KiwipoliticoBy Pablo
    2 weeks ago

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