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An interesting critique of the Zelensky narrative (by of all media-a Sky Au journo) that raises some pertinent questions.
https://youtu.be/KEPWgMXut_8
Bernardi isn't a fucking journalist. Bernadi's a RWNJ.
Cory Bernadi is scomo without the rat cunning as scomo knew where his bread was buttered….Cory shat in that bed so murdochville is his new home.
Sky Australia is the perfect place for him. It's a Murdoch outlet after all.
Whether he is a RWNJ, or scomo without scomo's rat cunning, is beside the point. As always it's the message that matters, not the messenger.
So MSM isn't dubious or propaganda if it reinforces your biases. Got it.
Antifa in Ukraine
Ilya is a Russian anti-fascist anarchist. She fled to Ukraine after a crackdown by the Putin regime on Russian civil society, and has joined the fight against Putin's bloody invasion. Ilya has been joined up with
A lot is being made of the Cost of Living Payment going to an unknown number of NZers overseas. Perhaps they should see it as the government just giving them back some of the tax they reckon they deserve to receive. After all, they'll get sod all of any tax cuts Luxon is promising.
lol
https://twitter.com/malosilima/status/1553909060088786945
The BNZ seems to be doing a big panic over tax residency status as a result of all this. I have never had a tax residency in other than New Zealand since I opened my account in 1973, but I got a "please update" email yesterday.
BNZ has been having kittens about tax residency and anti money laundering for about 6 months. It's taken a couple of days out of our lives filling in inane forms and proving our identities, all for it to not be loaded correctly by staff who haven't a clue what it's about and then having to be done again.
AML (anti money laundering) has been a thing for 10 years or so but gather this round has been brought on by Ukraine war and ensuing sanctions
Rabo has been doing the same thing over the past few months.
Re the teens on the prison roof.
Just leave them there. No food etc.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/300651622/riot-squad-moves-in-as-prison-rooftop-standoff-escalates
Unfortunately management and head office are s**t scared of bad publicity…well when that publicity is right out in the open
You'd think they best way to deal with something like this is to spray the prisoners with water and then let the cold weather take its course
The problem is whenever this is suggested the reply is always something along the lines of H&S, its too dangerous because they may slip off the roof etc etc
So instead 'negotiation' is used to bring the prisoners down, never mind how many tens, if not hundreds, of thousands of damages has been done
Good times
Mind you Trevor Mallard tried the sprinkler approach and that didn't work out too well! Best to just leave them up there, they will come down when they get hungry.
I always have a bit of a giggle about these prisoners that go on hunger strike……it's only ever going to end one of two ways, either they quit and decide to eat again (which means they are not that dedicated to whatever cause they were striking for), or guards carry out their lifeless bodies once they have passed away.
They're all down now. The reasons why they did the overnight on the roof are not yet public.
Probably a number of factors including, but not limited to:
boredom, being manipulated, genuine issues that aren't being addressed, imagined issues that aren't being addressed, just being dick heads, wanting to be transferred, not wanting to be transferred, over inflated sense of importance, diagnosed mental health issues, undiagnosed mental health issues, making a name for themselves, not getting enough visits, not getting skype calling etc etc
Or something else entirely
I think you may have just covered it, apart from the guys who just went along with the others for the ride……
The did not get access to the sports facility by what the news explained at 6pm. Yep, that's right they are in prison for a crime not on recreational grounds. Also in the news a soft knew reaction regarding the ramrads. Something got to give, it is just a matter of time.
'The did not get access to the sports facility by what the news explained at 6pm.'
I don't know with 100% certainty (being that I'm not in the Hawkes Bay) but if its like anywhere else the reason the crims didn't get to go out to the sports field is most likely due to short staffing
The staffing levels in NZ prisons are dangerously low everywhere, emails have again been put out for anyone wanting to go onto secondments to other prisons
There are always call backs available in Canterbury and its even worse in the North Island, as an idea check out the the job listings:
https://mahi.corrections.govt.nz/jobtools/jncustomsearch.searchResults?in_organid=19420&in_jobDate=All
About the only prison that doesn't have a listing is Invercargill, although strangely none in Canterbury are listed either
Because we're running short we simply don't have the officers to run things over and above minimum entitlements
What a hoot. /s
You have to remember a lot of these people in there are in for very violent offences and are locked up to protect the public, so if they do decide to go on a hunger strike or do crazy stunts like this, and a few don't make it, is society better off or worse off?
I realise it's a bit of a giggle to you, but how many humans dying in custody would it take for you to consider the possibility that society was worse off?
https://www.nzhowardleague.org.nz/
Considering my last shift was in Kia Marama I could name at least 60 people whose deaths would make NZ a much better, safer, place
That must have been an eye opening experience working there. I hope you have not been too scarred by the experience. I can only imagine some of the 'people' you have had the unfortunate dis-pleasure to meet.
The thing is KM and Totara are really easy units to work in, you're at less physical danger
The flip side is you talk to people who do things you cant even begin to comprehend or imagine and they think its perfectly acceptable
This is one of the few times I won't give examples of what I'm talking about
The best thing you can do is not read their sentencing notes or their journals
So at least 60 people, in your opinion – might you pause at 60, or carry on?
What is your point?
That you're a better, more moral person than I am?
That I'm borderline evil, sociopathic maybe?
I don't know you Pucky, only what you write here. I’m disinclined to attribute behavioural traits to you on that basis alone – doesn’t stop some people though.
For the record, I’m opposed to capital punishment. It’s possible that could change, given the ‘right‘ circumstances, but I’d hope not.
I'm quite ok with people on here to judge me and you by our words on this subject
I'm way too woke to be comfortable with the idea of 60+ deaths at one unit in one prison – might it raise questions about competence?
https://www.corrections.govt.nz/resources/statistics/deaths_in_custody
That number of deaths would, however, represent a considerable saving to the tax payer, and some might find it a atisfying outcome.
Shame you can't ask the families of the victims what they think but if 60 child sex offenders suddenly died in custody I'd think its a good start
I know what your next question is going to be and the answer is yes I would be willing to carry out the executions myself, if the death penalty was reinstated
Hang 'em high eh Pucky? So simple – and you'd be a hero. Makes you wonder why the death penalty was abolished in the first place – all those ambitions, thwarted – imagine the ‘fun’ you could have had with Peter Ellis.
You do know that one of the ways to get into treatment at KM is you have to admit your guilt
I'll also note that the Corrections Officers who were in the trial all thought Peter Ellis was innocent
You do know that false confessions occur in some child sex abuse crimes, albeit relatively rarely.
I’ll also note that if indeed “the Corrections Officers who were in the trial all thought Peter Ellis was innocent“, that didn’t do Ellis much good.
Since you touted the benefits of executing at least 60 imprisoned Kiwis, and mentioned being prepared to carry out the executions personally, are you also in favour of reinstating the death penalty?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital_punishment_by_country
Imho such a change would be regressive and out of step with many other democratic jurisdictions.
'You do know that false confessions occur in some child sex abuse crimes, albeit relatively rarely.'
I’ll also note that if indeed “the Corrections Officers who were in the trial all thought Peter Ellis was innocent“, that didn’t do Ellis much good.
– Again you are wrong. He had a much better time of it in prison than he otherwise would have.
Since you touted the benefits of executing at least 60 imprisoned Kiwis, and mentioned being prepared to carry out the executions personally, are you also in favour of reinstating the death penalty?
– Well obviously
Imho such a change would be regressive and out of step with many other democratic jurisdictions.
– My first consideration is to keep babies and children safe from paedophiles, shame you think paedos should be protected
– Says a lot about you
If you are suggesting that I think paedos should be protected from people who would 'execute' (murder) them, then yes – rule of law and all that. Your approach is too 'Top Gun' and Gung Ho! for my liking.
Just to be clear, if we followed the approach you are advocating, then NZ would reinstate the death penalty (removed from our statute books in 1961, except for the crime of treason which was repealed in 1989) and promptly execute at least 60 Kiwis? For starters?
https://www.beehive.govt.nz/release/nz-behind-un-resolution-abolish-death-penalty
'If you are suggesting that I think paedos should be protected from people who would 'execute' (murder) them, then yes – rule of law and all that.'
– Just to be clear paedos cannot change, the best you can hope for is that they decide to be celibate and thats it
– The price you're willing to pay for the protection of paedos is that a baby or child will be abused
https://www.corrections.govt.nz/resources/research/reconviction_rates_of_sex_offenders
https://smart.ojp.gov/somapi/chapter-5-adult-sex-offender-recidivism
'Your alternative approach is too 'Top Gun' and Gung Ho! for my liking.'
– Maverick actually broke a number of laws, I'm advocating a course of action that could only happen after a change in the law, maybe you should try watching the movie
'Just to be clear, if NZ followed the approach you are advocating, then we would reinstate the death penalty (removed from our statute books in 1961, except for the crime of treason which was repealed in 1989) and promptly execute at least 60 Kiwis – for starters?'
– No you're not clear, they've been sentenced so no I wouldn't advocate for the death penalty for people that've already been sentenced (of course if new charges were to come to light that would certainly be different)
– Next time they commit the crime though
Hmm – "paedos cannot change", and "they can decide to be celibate". Seems a tad contradictory to me, but you're the sexpert.
From your first link:
Pleased you “wouldn’t advocate for the death penalty for people that’ve already been sentenced” – let’s hope no new charges come to light.
Your ‘just getting started’ attitude frightens me.
'Hmm – "paedos cannot change", and "they can decide to be celibate". Seems a tad contradictory to me, but you're the sexpert.'
"he's attracted to women
babies and childrenand yet he lives as a celibate”'let’s both hope no new charges come to light.'
>80% don't – who protects them from your itchy execution finger?
So 20% do, you going to go along to the victims and their families and explain to them why you think its acceptable for this to happen?
Implying my opposition to your advocacy for the death penalty means that I think child sexual abuse is acceptable is pathetic – for the record (again), I think that child sexual abuse is unacceptable.
Sign this petition if it makes you feel better, but what you're advocating wouldn't fly even in the US ('Top Gun' reference!)
You could relocate to the likes of Bangladesh, India, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Iran, China, Saudi Arabia, UAE or China to exercise you itchy execution finger – a move I for one would be comfortable with, if the (imho) extremist views you've expressed in this thread are more than shock jock bravado.
Profiling Child Molesters: Thematic Differentiation of Crime Scene
Indicators and Correlations to PsychopathologyIndicators and Correlations to Psychopathology [2021]
' for the record (again), I think that child sexual abuse is unacceptable.'
You can sit there and think how much better you are, how much more of a moral person you are but know that the cost of what you believe are sexually abused children
Deal with it.
This "you're ok with that" lie of yours speaks to you character and becomes more pathetic with every repetition. It's clear evidence of the ease with which you lie and smear – deal with it.
I oppose the death penalty for any crime, including murder. Your hypothetical solution, i.e. the execution at least 60 Kiwis (for starters), is unethical and (thankfully) illegal. That there is not even a hint of reluctance to perform those executions yourself tells me all I need (or want) to know about you.
My support for NZ law – killing by the State, or anyone, is illegal – won't change.
If (in your mind) that means I'm OK with the sexual abuse of children, then there really is no basis for further dialogue. You seem to be flogging a dead horse.
https://nzhistory.govt.nz/flogging-whipping-abolished
Considering you put paedos ahead of little kids tells me all I need to know about you and your priorities
Are lies and smears all you’ve got?
You’re really giving this dead horse of yours a pounding – pathetic x3.
Maybe you need to get off your moral high horse and understand exactly what your beliefs lead to
Ever thought of becoming a CO and spending time with the people you so piously defend?
Naah you probably think that's beneath you, much easier to criticise those who do it rather than roll up your sleeves and try to help at the coalface
My belief is that current NZ law constraining you from executing Kiwis is sound. "New Zealand’s last execution occurred fifty [65] years ago, in 1957. Capital punishment was removed from our statute books in 1961 [National Govt, under Holyoake]" – maybe you need to understand why the reintroduction of the death penalty, that you appear to be gagging for, would be regressive.
I'm critiquing these (imho unhelpful) comments made by a fellow public servant on this site.
"I'm quite ok with people on here to judge me and you by our words on this subject" – roll up your sleeves and deal with it.
"I'm quite ok with people on here to judge me and you by our words on this subject" – roll up your sleeves and deal with it."
I want paedoes executed, you want to protect paedoes.
I don't mind everyone knowing how I feel about this subject, are you?
You want at least 60 paedos executed (for starters), and would carry out the executions yourself.
In NZ, the death penalty was abolished before you were born – imho your advocacy for capital punishment is regressive.
I believe your proposed 'solution' to the evil that is child sexual abuse is itself evil ("That I'm borderline evil, sociopathic maybe?" – 2 August @9:14 pm) – that's not going to change, and so our ideas on how best to decrease the incidence of child sexual abuse are irreconcilable.
On at least one thing we do agree – "I'm quite ok with people on here to judge me and you by our words on this subject", and will continue to remind readers here of your words.
Btw, did you get the Tom Cruise reference in my previous comment – a bit oblique maybe.
So do it then.
Put a new post up explaining how you want to protect paedos, explain how at least 20% (and thats low in my opinion) will reoffend, explain what reoffend means and then post my solution to paedos
I believe in the rule of NZ law that protects all Kiwis from execution by the State – you don’t. Apart from paedos, are there perhaps other groups you might consider adding to your fantasy execution list?
Female perpetrators of child sexual abuse: A review of the clinical and empirical literature – A 20-year update [January 2022]
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S1359178921001415
Put a new post up explaining how you want to protect paedos, explain how at least 20% (and thats low in my opinion) will reoffend, explain what reoffend means and then post my solution to paedos
Won't respond to your demand unless you can provide a quote that shows I think child sexual abuse is acceptable. No weasily inferences or deductions on your part – just a direct quote.
I don't need to protect paedos from execution by you – NZ law protects them. A professional, rational CO would understand why that is. Imho your comments in this thread are a disgrace.
Put a new post up explaining how you want to protect paedos, explain how at least 20% (and thats low in my opinion) will reoffend, explain what reoffend means and then post my solution to paedos.
Won't respond to your demand unless you can provide a quote that shows I think child sexual abuse is acceptable. No weasily inferences or deductions on your part – just a direct quote.
Imho your comments in this thread are a disgrace – over to you.
Put a new post up explaining how you want to protect paedos, explain how at least 20% (and thats low in my opinion) will reoffend, explain what reoffend means and then post my solution to paedos.
You won't post because you know people on here will side with me (a known conservative) more than you
Maybe most people reading this would be happy if (at least) 60 child sex offenders "suddenly died in custody" (“a good start“), but it seems like a slippery slope. If you can't see that then fine, and under NZ law it's a moot point anyway – no rational CO is going to risk facing multiple homicide charges just to exercise an itchy execution finger.
Too gutless to make a post and (correct me if I'm wrong) certainly too gutless to put on a uniform and deal with these people face to face
What use are you?
I'm critiquing these (imho) disgraceful comments; it’s not personal.
You made it personal:
'Hang 'em high eh Pucky? So simple – and you'd be a hero. Makes you wonder why the death penalty was abolished in the first place – all those ambitions, thwarted – imagine the ‘fun’ you could have had with Peter Ellis.'
You won't even create a post because you know you'll lose, you who won't even put a uniform to see what prison is really like yet you'll happily 'critique' those who do
Why did the NZ Parliament abolish the death penalty?
Here's (one reason) why.
I’m sure you’re a winner in your own mind, but this one was ‘lost’ before you were born – deal with it.
Well done, you support something that happened over 60 years ago and won't ever come back, so stunning and brave of you to make this stand
Thanks PR, in the same vein your advocacy for mass executions is stunning and brave – what you are proposing would certainly be a first in NZ.
The child sex offender ‘treatment’ you are proposing is, however, illegal – please select a different treatment.
Treatment Interventions for Perpetrators of Sexual Violence
The research could quite possibly do with an update, but the message seems clear enough:
https://www.corrections.govt.nz/resources/research/child-sex-offender-treatment
Thanks Incognito (@11:19 am) – I have next-to-no experience in this area, but imho the idea of initiating mass executions in NZ is extremely regressive, and to advocate for same is disgraceful.
'but imho the idea of initiating mass executions in NZ is extremely regressive, and to advocate for same is disgraceful.'
Advocating (legal) executions for paedophiles is, to me, less abhorrent than advocating for a system that you know will mean children and babies get raped
Yes, we agree that advocating for (unprecedented) mass executions and advocating for child rape are both abhorrent (disgusting and repugnant); not going to quibble about the lesser of two evils.
But it seems unlikely (to me) that the Government-funded system currently affording you employment as a CO is deliberately facilitating child sexual abuse – if I genuinely believed I was working for such a system, then I would quit – you know, get some guts and all that.
Would also quit if I was working for a system when it deliberately initiated mass executions ("a good start") – it's just personal principle.
No electable political party supports what you're advocating (mass executions within the NZ penal system) – your extremely regressive 'treatment methods' for “kiddy fiddlers” will not be implemented.
Imho these comments of yours are simply impotent macho bluster – if you genuinely believe that mass executions of child sex abusers would be "a good start", then please relocate to Bangladesh, India, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Iran, China, UAE or China, where your itchy execution finger might make a difference.
'then please relocate to Bangladesh, India, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Iran, China, UAE or China, where your itchy execution finger might make a difference.'
And who'd replace me, you?
Someone so gutless they won't even put up a post because they're scared of the reactions they'll get
Yeah right
Haven’t stopped commenting in this thread yet, and don’t intend to while comments remain open, because I believe your advocacy for mass executions within NZ penal system is extremely regressive, and disgraceful – a boil that needs to be lanced, so to speak.
Doubt I'd be eligible – is it your contention that any replacement hired by Corrections would also advocate mass executions?
Tbf, the idea that an applicant for a CO position could harbour ambitions of carrying out mass executions within the NZ penal system probably never crossed the minds of your interviewers, and yet here are your words, in black and white.
'Doubt I'd be eligible – is it your contention that any replacement hired by Corrections would also advocate mass executions?'
– Its my contention that anyone who hasn't got the courage to put a new post on here certainly wouldn't have the courage to step foot on the floor and tell prisoners what to do
'Tbf, the idea that an applicant for a CO position could harbour ambitions of carrying out mass executions within the NZ penal system probably never crossed the minds of your interviewers, and yet here are your words, in black and white.'
– Unlike you I stand by my words so keep posting them here or, if you've got the guts, a new post tomorrow morning
– Also sorry (not sorry) to burst your bubble but within Corrections Officers my views, not yours, are mainstream
Like you, I stand by my words – advocating (on a left-leaning political blog, no less) for mass executions within the NZ penal system is extremely regressive, and disgraceful; a boil that needs to be lanced.
Thanks – I most certainly will.
If these views really are mainstream among (a majority of?) Corrections Officers, then (imho) the Minister of Corrections should be made aware (if he isn’t already) – OK if I email this thread to his office, or will you?
office.davis@parliament.govt.nz
Good, then the Minister’s office will receive this thread twice. [Oops, your reply seems to have disappeared?]
Don't know why you're so insistent that I should put up a new post – this thread is going OK as far as I'm concerned.
'Good, then his office will receive this thread twice. [Oops, your reply seems to have disappeared?]'
– I'm shaking in my boots
'Don't know why you're so hot and bothered about me starting a new post – this one is fine as far as I'm concerned.'
– As course this is fine for you, no one else is reading it.
I don't mind how many people apart from you and me might read this thread or this email – hopefully at least one other person.
Well, that's done – don't expect anything beyond an acknowledgement but will let you know.
I'll wait with bated breath, thats sarcasm if you weren't sure
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Email this morning, from a person (!) – will keep you informed:
'Like you, I stand by my words – advocating for mass executions within the NZ penal system is extremely regressive, and disgraceful; a boil that needs to be lanced.'
No you don't.
You stand by your words when it suits you but you don't have the guts to start a new thread
'If these views are mainstream among Corrections Officers then (imho) the Minister of Corrections should be made aware – OK if I email this thread to his office, or will you?'
Sure I will
It is pretty hard to get in to prison these days with a lot of judges giving very 'soft' home detention type sentences to reduce the prison numbers. But to be honest, if all the recidivist rapists, murderers, drug dealers and violent offenders that are in prison were suddenly 'wiped out' tomorrow (and I don't know how many that would be), I wouldn't lose any sleep.
Don't forget the kiddy fiddlers
'Mind you Trevor Mallard tried the sprinkler approach and that didn't work out too well!'
I'd use it differently, spray them to make them wet and let the cold take care of the rest.
No tents or supporters for the guys on the roof
'Best to just leave them up there, they will come down when they get hungry.'
Problem with that is the amount of damage they can do while up there, the potential for injury (I couldn't care less if they hurt themselves but you know what the medias like…) and that its the prisoners decision to come down which means in this situation they have control
One way officers used to end hunger strikes was by cooking various foods and letting the smells do their thing or by making a very sweetened cup of tea/coffee but yeah with hunger strikers we actually monitor what they eat and drink, a real time consuming pain in the butt
A 60 year treaty of friendship with Samoa (as of yesterday) – that's awesome. We're there celebrating this event and with gifts. Lovely story.
Also, embedded in the article is a rare clip – Our opposition leader not tripping over himself and politicking well.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/129452293/pm-jacinda-ardern-announces-funds-for-rebuild-of-historic-market-climate-change-projects-in-samoa
Out with the old half-wit, in with the new one.
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https://twitter.com/RuthHen05786097/status/1554223524142792708
The Conservatives should be more grateful – Starmer will never cobble together a majority while Nicola Sturgeon holds the North.
Ha! Natz Bennet, a Luxon/Muller lookalike, lasted less than 10 minutes into QT today!
But at least he found the exit without assistance! (Or at least, I hope so!)
Dammit, I missed that. I've seen him before where he demonstrated a remarkable lack of intelligence. He simply didn't 'get' stuff.
Did anyone watch this??
Every body should!!
Kiri – amazing!!
Question 11 – Hon Paul Goldsmith to the Minister of Justice
(can't link).
I can: https://ondemand.parliament.nz/parliament-tv-on-demand/?itemId=226912
Thanks! Did you watch her??
"All her Christmasses came at once!"
Kiritapu made Goldsmith look like a complete idiot!
The Greens are probably right, Part Two.
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2022/aug/01/climate-endgame-risk-human-extinction-scientists-global-heating-catastrophe?utm_term=62e8ba27a84b101beef408793622657a&utm_campaign=FirstEdition&utm_source=esp&utm_medium=Email&CMP=firstedition_email
”The risk of global societal collapse or human extinction has been “dangerously underexplored”, climate scientists have warned in an analysis.”