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  1. Barfly 2

    Huey, Dewey and Loius?

    The three Stooges?

    I prefer

    Rimmer, Baldric and Methusallah winkdevil

  2. Dennis Frank 3

    Winston is now impatient, you can sense his urge to take control of the process:

    Peters said NZ First wanted negotiations to be conducted with urgency.

    “What can we agree on … we can’t all get what we want, we have to get a sound much much better government underway,” Peters told the Platform.

    The NZ First leader said the most useful thing was for National, Act and NZ First to all get in the room together as opposed to having separate conversations. “This is not my first negotiation, I’m only negotiating with one side, so to speak, not two and that’s why we can expedite this.”

    Act leader David Seymour said he hoped the new government could be finalised within a “matter of days” or within a week.

    Luxon may not be up to that much speed but the momentum lies beyond him, & Monday will be when he realises his canoe has entered the rapids. If his agenda for next week is already set, he may have to flex it to accommodate the urgency evident in the attitudes of the other two key players. If he doesn't flex, seems insufficiently in tune, the other two may issue irritated opinions to the media…

  3. Left 41.6 Right 46.7. 55 seats versus 60 seats (excluding NZF).

    Only 5.1% in it. If Seymour, Luxon and Bishop had said nothing in the media about Winston, NZF would have fallen below 5% instead of getting 6.08.

    Small margins in the end.

    • Adrian Thornton 4.1

      "Left 41.6 Right 46.7. 55 seats versus 60 seats (excluding NZF)"

      Correction…Centre 41.6 Right 46.55 seats.

      There is no meaningful Left Wing political party in New Zealand that I know of.

      • Dennis Frank 4.1.1

        There is no meaningful Left Wing political party in New Zealand that I know of.

        Ok, I'll bite. How would you know? There's no standard list of criteria for anyone to use to detect meaning in any political party, let alone a leftist one.

        Philosophers write books about meaning & I own several, even try to read one every now & then (not easy). Essaying the meaning of a political party seems a subjective exercise. The Greens mean a political party to represent the Green movement, for instance, yet all that means to me is that simulations are effective in politics.

        • Ed1

          I agree – words mean what I intend them to mean, and of course right-bloggers will say that the National Party is solidly Centre-Right, Labour is slightly left, and the Green Party is economically far left, but also have strange views about climate change. Alternatively some left bloggers will see National as far right, Labour nearly as far right, and The Greens as slightly left. See it all here, where you can compare their views about New Zealand with those of other countries :

          The political compass :

          Not as often talked about, it introduces a authoritarian / libertarian axis, which surprisingly puts ACT at about the same level as the Greens – how that can be when Seymour was practically the only person to speak for the party for nearly all of the last three years is beyond my comprehension – Winston First being more authoritarian than National is a given on the same grounds. The ability for their to make binding "Captains Calls" puts them at least part way up there with National. I suspect ACT being seen as "Libertarian" comes from their tolerance for people saying anything they want – whether spouting lies and propaganda is the same meaning of "Freedom" as measured at

          is a moot point but those lies do seem to have distorted government support from some parts of Auckland that possibly most benefitted from the Covid precautions that arguably saved about 20,000 lives compared with the response of the USA (yes look at how "Free" that country is). If say 5000 people had died in South Auckland, would more of them have voted Labour?

    • Tony 4.2

      Bearded git credits Seymour Luxon and Bishop for taking W Peters from below 5% to 6.8%. I credit Labour for his rise. 46.7% of the Wellington protesters were labour supporters, they received no representation there and made it impossible for them to vote labour again, no representation = no vote, Labour lost about 47% of the vote from the last election, coincidence or a simple explanation for their loss. It really didn't help calling them a River of filth, anti vax scum, useful idiots, morons, f#ckwits etc, Labour has lost those voters and they won't return, remember this people, no representation = no vote! Remind me of the one Politician who bothered going and listening to the Wellington River of filth? That's where the 6.8% came from.

      • Incognito 4.2.1

        Yup, Peters and NZF mopped up, soaked in, and swallowed the ‘river of filth’, which was no more than a little trickle among the sea of genuine discontent in and of this protest but which became a darker and putrid undercurrent of filth and hate from the sewers of society.

        That’s where a fraction of the 6.8% came from.

        • Tony

          incognito obviously hasn’t seen "River of freedom" I suggest you shut up watch it and educate yourself as to who and why they were there. 46,7% is no fraction and those 46.7% represented hundreds of thousands of other labour voters who will never vote labour again. As I say, no representation = no vote.

          • Incognito

            I suggest that you hold your fire till you’ve found your reading glasses and re-read my comment. In any case, your maths is a little off with respect to the 6.8% for NZF in GE-2023.

            • Tony

              incognito, I know exactly what your ugly words meant, you speak in ignorance, your choice of words tells me that, as I suggested, go watch "River of Freedom" which will become NZs most important documentary ever, then you can comment on what went down in Wellington instead of lazily relying on biased media reports. Hundreds of thousands of kiwis supported them and their efforts to be heard! Special thanks must go to Trevor Mallard for his efforts in losing supporters.

              [Before you hijack this thread even further, you must provide evidence to support the claim that you’ve made twice now, which is that 46.7% of the Wellington protesters were labour supporters.

              Once you’ve done this we can proceed with correcting your maths and other logical flaws.

              You’re in Pre-Mod, so that weka and I can monitor your muddying comments before they appear on the site – Incognito]

              • Red Blooded One

                Is there any irony in you lecturing about "biased media reports" yet calling River of Freedom potentially NZs most important documentary ever? A friend of mine was tricked into going to it and her feedback on it was that it was a very sanitised version of events and completely biased. The person who tricked my friend into seeing the movie also talks of White Hats coming to punish "Vaccine Enablers" and celebrates that Jacinda Ardern is currently locked up in Gauntanamo Bay. Strange times indeed.

              • Incognito

                Mod note

              • Tony

                Humble apologies for getting the point wrong, it should read 6,08%. Curia Market Research did the polling, can't find a link, I observe lots of people talking numbers without links. what other logical flaws did I state?

                [Not so fast. You assert all sorts of things, make claims of fact, tell people to shut up, and provide no supporting evidence. In addition, your logic is deeply flawed. Taken together, you’re muddying the waters and not contributing to sound constructive debate.

                Don’t tell me what others are supposedly doing here or not. Lift your game and back up your claims. And stop wasting other people’s and my time here. I’ll give you one more chance – Incognito]

          • weka

            what's the 46.7 % in reference to?

            • Tony

              Weka, labour party supporters numbered 46.7% of the Wellington protesters and the labour party vote dropped 47% from 2020, I see a correlation in those numbers, I also mentioned it wasn't helpful to vilify them, incognito tries to muddy the waters with ugly words without substance, he is spewing more ignorant hate which won't bring many back home to the labour party fold.

              • bwaghorn

                Where any of those 46% abusing mask wearers , throwing figurative and literal shit at police and damaging public property?

              • Louis

                "labour party supporters numbered 46.7% of the Wellington protesters" Where did you get that from? Citation please.

            • Belladonna

              I don't know where the 46.7% came from.
              There was a survey done by Curia over past voting patterns of people at the protest. Which found nearly 30% voted Labour and 16% voted Green in 2020.

              Unsurprisingly, there were relatively higher numbers of voters for more fringe parties (not calling Labour or GP fringe – but rather Advance NZ, etc.)


          • observer

            no representation = no vote.

            Repeating a slogan doesn't make it meaningful.

            We just had an election. Every protester had a vote. "NZ Loyal" got 1%, the other protest parties (Brian Tamaki, Leighton Baker etc) got almost nothing.

            There has been plenty of polling in 2023 on policy priorities for the voters. They include cost of living, health, crime, climate change, housing, and more. Just one example:

            22nd Ipsos New Zealand Issues Monitor – October 2023 | Ipsos

            The issues relating to the occupation (mandates, anti-vax, put Ministers on trial) do not register at all. It was not an election issue for the NZ public, outside the fringe.

      • SPC 4.2.2

        Labour went to 37% in 2017 because of a decline in the Greens (2014 10.7% to 6.2%)

        It was under 33% otherwise.

        To get there from the 25% of 2014 and 27.5% of 2011 there was the Jacinda Ardern bump, but even so Labour needed NZF to obtain a majority.

        The voters who took Labour from 37% to 50% in 2020 were centrists who had been voting National or NZF.

        Deriving a decline in Labour voters from that figure is misleading.

        With Greens back to where they were (1% higher than 2014) and NZF back in the mix of course Labour would come back to where they were in 2017 – and that was barely 33%

        So yes Labour lost 6% support from 2017.

        Not unusual after 2 terms. And only back to where they were in 2011-2014 period.

        The lesson of that period was the decline from 27.5 to 25% (2011-2014 because of division).

        At the moment LGTPM have just over 40% vs 46% NACT.

        Both blocks will pick up NZF voters when it goes out once again (they fall below 5% after every coalition term).

        A 3% swing in the term is plausible, so it is game on in 2026.

      • Bearded Git 4.2.3

        NZF 6.08 you mean Tony.

        Most of those protestors were simply frustrated and gullible. There were, however, a rump of very nasty people leading those protests who knew exactly what they were doing.

        Labour had no option but to allow the police to go in and sort them out. I m no friend of forceful police action, but watching the police take down that protest live was two hours of enthralling video where I was right on their side.

  4. Dennis Frank 5

    Voters have proven that Hipkins’ leadership didn't achieve any dead cat bounce for Labour. The colour-bar graph here shows that:

    The 11% differential between National & Labour matches the average 10% pre-campaign through autumn & winter.

    Just 5.6 % of the party vote went to parties which didn't make it into Parliament, down from 7.9 % in 2020 and up slightly from 4.6 % in 2017.

    MMP is marginalising rabble by design, but TOP came in not far behind TMP, so there's a reasonable basis for reducing the threshold from 5% to 2%.

    • mikesh 5.1

      A 2% threshold would reduce the 'wasted vote' factor's influence on voting, and parties like TOP could finish with higher percentages than they are getting at present. I have always tended to favour TOP and gave them two ticks in 2017. But after giving them my electorate vote only in 2020, this year I avoided the TOP candidate as well; although that vote this year was a vote against Nicola Willis rather than a vote against the TOP candidate herself.

      • Bearded Git 5.1.1

        It would be stupid to reduce the threshold to 2%. We would end up with a mish-mash of 10 parties vying for power similar to Israel. Chaos.

        4% is an option that deserves consideration.

    • Dennis Frank 5.2

      Correction: the 10% differential emerged after the parity in July. You can see that here on the Stuff rolling poll:

    • Corey 5.3

      If you can't win an electorate or hit 5% I'm OK with you not being in parliament.

      5% or needing an electorate is reasonable.

      If we lower the threshold then I'd want to get rid of the mixed member model and go full proportional because the amount of overhang that would be produced would just be stupid with multiple fringe parties getting more electorates than seat entitlements.

      Though I do like chaos, my dream election result is having independents winning all 72 electorates with the party vote 100% going to the parties.. Creating a 72 seat overhang 😂

      • Dennis Frank 5.3.1

        I vaguely recall voting for STV 30 years ago from a similar stance. Chaos & order are a primal pair. Humans group together naturally like many other species so our agency can only be expressed within communal constraints. Anarchists prioritise autonomy, but the benefits of cohering usually motivate folks more than the costs.

        The 6 parties in our parliament are a hexad: a triad on the left, another on the right, is how most here see it, most media likewise. Yet operationally, Winston has used his leverage to control the balance point. We await this centrist influence as a moderating force, yet he may allow various rightist shifts as well…

  5. dv 6

    The interesting thing is Peters is the only one of the three who has any experience in political negotiations

  6. Dennis Frank 7

    Bomber demonstrates his flair for accountancy:

    How much per vote

    Act: $20.90

    National: $9.34

    NZ First: $6.91

    Green: $5.62

    Labour: $1.79

    Te Pāti Māori: $1.69

    Market forces producing a relative pricing list is commercial democracy at its finest. Our foreign minister incoming can get a graphic artist to present it as a colour-bar graph, full- page, laminated, so he can flash it at tv cameras all around the world. NZ can thus lead the world in showing how to do commercial democracy in a single image!

    The little nation that could! Such marketing pizzazz on the global stage would put stars in the eyes of corporations & politicians everywhere. enlightened

  7. ianmac 8

    Probably shouldn't publicise another blog but I find Nick's Kôrero a very interesting and useful angle for the left.

    He is offering a 30 day free trial at

  8. Dennis Frank 9

    Bomber's giving this guy the thumbs up:

    He was an officer in our navy…

    After his military career, Penk became a property lawyer. His father, Stephen, is an Associate Dean at the University of Auckland's Law School and his brother Alex is also a lawyer.

    He's likely to become a cabinet minister.

    you can’t have a list of winners without The Penky! Deserves a Cabinet position as the only National Party MP with more charm than a road accident.

    • SPC 9.1

      There is a chance he will not be a Cabinet Minister, not ranked high enough within National given the need to place ACT and NZF MP’s in Cabinet.

      It's possible Bomber is anticipating Penk doing media work for National TV shows and wants him to be on The Platform.

      • Dennis Frank 9.1.1

        Yeah, you could be right, although the dire lack of genuine talent in the Nat ranks gives him competitive advantage. If Luxon does promote him, I guess Bomber will miss out. I presume Luxon has the usual ability of a CEO to identify/select talent.

  9. Mike the Lefty 10

    I am going to defy logic and predict that the terrible trio will form a government quite quickly, but it won't be a government as we know it and will have all the integrity and openness of the Exclusive Brethren. NACT investors are going to want their paybacks quickly and anonymously.

  10. Incognito 11

    I’d been wondering if there’s any requirement or guidance on how close the result should be for a candidate to apply for a recount of the electorate vote. It appears there’s no requirement at all, at present.

    I found this report:

    He Arotake Pōtitanga Motuhake

    Independent Electoral Review

    Interim report: Executive summary

    Our draft recommendations for a fairer, clearer, and more accessible electoral system

    June 2023

    1. The Electoral Act contains mechanisms for resolving election outcomes through election recounts and election petitions. To prevent frivolous or vexatious actions, judges should have the discretion to decide whether a recount goes ahead: whether at the electorate or national level. If this is accepted, we recommend removing deposits required for recounts.

    I think there should be as few barriers as possible, and they should be as low as possible, to a recount and that this shouldn’t be left to a judge’s discretion.

    Edit: the bullet number should read 79; the text editor screws it up 🙁

  11. adam 12

    Bombing ambulances out side a hospital where children were playing.

    The IDF are the new SS.

  12. Adrian Thornton 13

    Several killed in Israeli attack on ambulance convoy: Gaza Health Ministry

    "Palestinian health ministry says several killed and dozens of others wounded in an Israeli attack on ambulance convoy."

    Dozens of people were reported killed and injured Wednesday as Israeli airstrikes targeted residential areas at Gaza's Jabalia refugee camp for a second day

    And here we see folks, the Western 'Rules Based Order" in all it's glory.

    Interesting how it is almost exactly the same countries who support and arm the Ukrainian forces in one of the most pointless war of our lifetimes.well except maybe Vietnam…no wait maybe Iraq…or it that Afghanistan…it is so confusing, the West seems to inflict it's 'Rules Based Order" on so many countries all around the World, who can keep up with the Western Democracy project….?

    • UncookedSelachimorpha 13.1

      almost exactly the same countries who support and arm the Ukrainian forces…

      Weird, russia invading Ukraine is ok, but Israel invading gaza is not?

      Minor differences include repeated attacks by hamas (modern Ukraine has never attacked Russia) and hamas founding documents and rhetoric openly aiming to wipe out all Jews in the middle-east (Ukraine has never suggested wiping out Russia)

  13. Adrian Thornton 14

    "and hamas founding documents and rhetoric openly aiming to wipe out all Jews in the middle-east".. like what Israel is actually doing now to the Palestinians right now as we speak..

    "modern Ukraine has never attacked Russia"… just the Russian/Ukrainian civilians in the Donbass….from 2014 Human Rights Watch..

    "Unguided Grad rockets launched apparently by Ukrainian government forces and pro-government militias have killed at least 16 civilians and wounded many more in insurgent-controlled areas of Donetsk and its suburbs in at least four attacks between July 12 and 21, 2014, Human Rights Watch said today.

    The use of indiscriminate rockets in populated areas violates international humanitarian law, or the laws of war, and may amount to war crimes."

    • SPC 14.1

      The use of indiscriminate rockets in populated areas violates international humanitarian law, or the laws of war, and may amount to war crimes."

      Sometimes there is a warning to leave and make the areas unpopulated, sometimes not.

  14. Adrian Thornton 15

    "Sometimes there is a warning to leave and make the areas unpopulated, sometimes not."

    …Link please

    • SPC 15.1


      Sometimes …. and sometimes not …. .

      Of late – Syria, Ukraine and Gaza.

      Is it a war crime to ask people to stay in the populated areas they were asked/advised to leave to provide a civilian cover? Or to use hostages as shields? Or to deliberately attack power supply before winter?

      • SPC 15.1.1

        The Israeli military told the civilians of Gaza City to "evacuate south for your own safety and the safety of your families and distance yourself from Hamas terrorists who are using you as human shields."

        Leaders of the enclave's governing militant group Hamas also urged Palestinians to ignore the call, and by Friday afternoon there were no signs of any mass exodus from the north of the enclave.

        Last winter, Russia repeatedly attacked civilian infrastructure far from the front lines, leaving millions of Ukrainians without power, heat and water for days at a time.

        • Adrian Thornton

          Holy shit….first of all the terrorist state of Israel is bombing the 'safe' zones….I am not going to bother with links because I am sure you are aware of this fact as it is in every single news source in the World.

          Secondly…While I don't condon Russia hitting civilian infrastructure, it is noted that they went without power and water for days at a time….I am pretty sure they could still buy water from their local supermarkets (which are not being bombed)…and I am also pretty sure that they could bundle up in their homes (which are not being bombed) and stay warm enough…. that you would even compare these two things say volumes.

          • SPC

            Sure it was dumb not to hit targets in the south before* asking people to move there.

            Where did I compare the actions in Ukraine and Gaza – a baseless accusation.

            If one was to do that one would note the worst cases of indiscriminate violence in populated areas occurred in Syria – but that is history. Or of military violence in general more recently, the events a year or two back in Ethiopia.

            My first point was that

            A defence against indiscriminate violence in populated areas is a warning to leave if the destruction is going to be widespread.

            The second issue

            if it is discriminate, are the peoples water and power a legitimate target.

            In Gaza – given the housing is above military bases underground, it is an unusual case.

            Then comes the issue of provision of temporary housing and after conflict rebuild.

  15. Adrian Thornton 16

    Why?…because it part of a serious debate to reveal your sources of information….. one of the things your link above also reveals, is that in all of the bombing of civilian and govt infrastructure by the Russians, there was one person killed.

    " hostages as shield" Please provide a link.

    Where is the link verify to your claim earlier claim?
    "Sometimes there is a warning to leave and make the areas unpopulated, sometimes not."

    You can't just keep on making these serious claims without providing serious neutral links…that is not how this works…as I am sure you well aware.

    • SPC 16.1

      I assume people are informed about the basics of the events and know all this stuff, but whatever.

    • Francesca 16.2

      hmmmm quite a bit of inconsistency in the moderation I see.Some partiality there for sure .I was banned for refusing to supply a link

      Then again , fairness doesn't count,the "owners" of the site are free to swing their flaccid dicks

  16. Incognito 17

    It looks too, like NZ First's gain was ACT's loss in the final weeks of the campaign.

    And judging by the graph [in the link], it certainly looks that way.

  17. SPC 18

    Ultimately, Hamas believes international pressure for Israel to end the siege, as civilian casualties mount, could force a ceasefire and a negotiated settlement that would see the militant group emerge with a tangible concession such as the release of thousands of Palestinian prisoners in exchange for Israeli hostages, the sources said.

    The group has made it clear to the U.S. and Israel at indirect, Qatar-mediated hostage negotiations that it wants to force such a prisoner release in exchange for hostages, according to four Hamas officials, a regional official and a person familiar with the White House's thinking.

    Adeeb Ziadeh, a Palestinian expert in international affairs at Qatar University who has studied Hamas, said the group must have had a longer-term plan to follow its assault on Israel.

    "Those who carried out the Oct. 7 attack with its level of proficiency, this level of expertise, precision and intensity, would have prepared for a long-term battle. It's not possible for Hamas to engage in such an attack without being fully prepared and mobilized for the outcome," Ziadeh told Reuters.

    Washington expects Hamas to try to bog Israeli forces down in street-by-street combat in Gaza and inflict heavy enough military casualties to also Israeli public support for a drawn-out conflict, said the source familiar with the White House's thinking, who asked to remain anonymous to speak freely.

    Hamas has about 40,000 fighters, according to the sources at the group. They can move around the enclave using a vast web of fortified tunnels, hundreds of kilometers long and up to 80 meters deep, built over many years.

    On Thursday, militants in Gaza were seen emerging from tunnels to fire at tanks, then disappearing back into the network, according to residents and videos.

    An official close to the Iranian-backed Lebanese movement Hezbollah, which is allied to Hamas, said the Palestinian militant group's fighting strength remained mostly intact after weeks of bombardment. Hezbollah has a joint military operation room in Lebanon with Hamas and other allied factions in a regional network backed by Iran, according to Hezbollah and Hamas officials.

    Hamas official Osama Hamdan, who is based in Beirut, said the Oct. 7 attack and the unfolding Gaza war would put the issue of Palestinian statehood back on the map.

    "It is an opportunity for us to tell them that we can make our destiny with our own hands. We can arrange the equation of the region in a way that serves our interests," he told Reuters.

    "It's clear today that without peace with the Palestinians you are not going to have peace in the region."

  18. bwaghorn 19

    Watching the news, luxons publicly calling winston sir, and seymour is almost begging winston to call, the ring master is in the house. Act is on the cross bench s is I my bet .

  19. Joe90 20

    Brilliant. Not sure how the artist could even conceive the piece.

    Ian Willoughby


    Check this out! This 3D portrait of Václav Havel, assembled from a huge number of items associated with him, is really quite something. It’s on show for the next 12 months at Prague’s VH Airport.

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    Cable Cars, Gondolas, Ropeways and Aerial Trams are all names for essentially the same technology and the world’s biggest maker of them are here to sell them as an public transport solution. Stuff reports: Austrian cable car company Doppelmayr has launched its case for adding aerial cable cars to New ...
    1 day ago
  • November AMA
    Hi,It’s been awhile since I’ve done an Ask-Me-Anything on here, so today’s the day. Ask anything you like in the comments section, and I’ll be checking in today and tomorrow to answer.Leave a commentNext week I’ll be giving away a bunch of these Mister Organ blu-rays for readers in New ...
    David FarrierBy David Farrier
    1 day ago
  • National’s early moves adding to cost of living pressure
    The cost of living grind continues, and the economic and inflation honeymoon is over before it began. Photo: Lynn Grieveson / The KākāTL;DR: PM Christopher Luxon unveiled his 100 day plan yesterday with an avowed focus of reducing cost-of-living pressures, but his Government’s initial moves and promises are actually elevating ...
    The KakaBy Bernard Hickey
    1 day ago
  • Backwards to the future
    Prime Minister Christopher Luxon has confirmed that it will be back to the future on planning legislation. This will be just one of a number of moves which will see the new government go backwards as it repeals and cost-cuts its way into power. They will completely repeal one ...
    PolitikBy Richard Harman
    1 day ago
  • New initiatives in science and technology could point the way ahead for Luxon government
    As the new government settles into the Beehive, expectations are high that it can sort out some  of  the  economic issues  confronting  New Zealand. It may take time for some new  ministers to get to grips with the range of their portfolio work and responsibilities before they can launch the  changes that  ...
    Point of OrderBy tutere44
    2 days ago
  • Treaty pledge to secure funding is contentious – but is Peters being pursued by a lynch mob after ...
    TV3 political editor Jenna Lynch was among the corps of political reporters who bridled, when Deputy Prime Minister Winston Peters told them what he thinks of them (which is not much). She was unabashed about letting her audience know she had bridled. More usefully, she drew attention to something which ...
    Point of OrderBy Bob Edlin
    2 days ago
  • How long does this last?
    I have a clear memory of every election since 1969 in this plucky little nation of ours. I swear I cannot recall a single one where the question being asked repeatedly in the first week of the new government was: how long do you reckon they’ll last? And that includes all ...
    More Than A FeildingBy David Slack
    2 days ago
  • National’s giveaway politics
    We already know that national plans to boost smoking rates to collect more tobacco tax so they can give huge tax-cuts to mega-landlords. But this morning that policy got even more obscene - because it turns out that the tax cut is retrospective: Residential landlords will be able to ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 days ago
  • CHRIS TROTTER: Who’s driving the right-wing bus?
    Who’s At The Wheel? The electorate’s message, as aggregated in the polling booths on 14 October, turned out to be a conservative political agenda stronger than anything New Zealand has seen in five decades. In 1975, Bill Rowling was run over by just one bus, with Rob Muldoon at the wheel. In 2023, ...
    Point of OrderBy poonzteam5443
    2 days ago
  • GRAHAM ADAMS:  Media knives flashing for Luxon’s government
    The fear and loathing among legacy journalists is astonishing Graham Adams writes – No one is going to die wondering how some of the nation’s most influential journalists personally view the new National-led government. It has become abundantly clear within a few days of the coalition agreements ...
    Point of OrderBy gadams1000
    2 days ago
  • Top 10 news links for Wednesday, Nov 29
    TL;DR: Here’s my pick of top 10 news links elsewhere for Wednesday November 29, including:The early return of interest deductibility for landlords could see rebates paid on previous taxes and the cost increase to $3 billion from National’s initial estimate of $2.1 billion, CTU Economist Craig Renney estimated here last ...
    The KakaBy Bernard Hickey
    2 days ago
  • Smokefree Fallout and a High Profile Resignation.
    The day after being sworn in the new cabinet met yesterday, to enjoy their honeymoon phase. You remember, that period after a new government takes power where the country, and the media, are optimistic about them, because they haven’t had a chance to stuff anything about yet.Sadly the nuptials complete ...
    Nick’s KōreroBy Nick Rockel
    2 days ago
  • As Cabinet revs up, building plans go on hold
    Wellington Council hoardings proclaim its preparations for population growth, but around the country councils are putting things on hold in the absence of clear funding pathways for infrastructure, and despite exploding migrant numbers. Photo: Lynn Grieveson / The KākāTL;DR: Cabinet meets in earnest today to consider the new Government’s 100-day ...
    The KakaBy Bernard Hickey
    2 days ago
  • National takes over infrastructure
    Though New Zealand First may have had ambitions to run the infrastructure portfolios, National would seem to have ended up firmly in control of them.  POLITIK has obtained a private memo to members of Infrastructure NZ yesterday, which shows that the peak organisation for infrastructure sees  National MPs Chris ...
    PolitikBy Richard Harman
    2 days ago
  • At a glance – Evidence for global warming
    On February 14, 2023 we announced our Rebuttal Update Project. This included an ask for feedback about the added "At a glance" section in the updated basic rebuttal versions. This weekly blog post series highlights this new section of one of the updated basic rebuttal versions and serves as a ...
    3 days ago
  • Who’s Driving The Right-Wing Bus?
    Who’s At The Wheel? The electorate’s message, as aggregated in the polling booths on 14 October, turned out to be a conservative political agenda stronger than anything New Zealand has seen in five decades. In 1975, Bill Rowling was run over by just one bus, with Rob Muldoon at the wheel. In ...
    3 days ago
  • Sanity break
    Cheers to reader Deane for this quote from Breakfast TV today:Chloe Swarbrick to Brook van Velden re the coalition agreement: “... an unhinged grab-bag of hot takes from your drunk uncle at Christmas”Cheers also to actual Prime Minister of a country Christopher Luxon for dorking up his swearing-in vows.But that's enough ...
    More Than A FeildingBy David Slack
    3 days ago
  • Sanity break
    Cheers to reader Deane for this quote from Breakfast TV today:Chloe Swarbrick to Brook van Velden re the coalition agreement: “... an unhinged grab-bag of hot takes from your drunk uncle at Christmas”Cheers also to actual Prime Minister of a country Christopher Luxon for dorking up his swearing-in vows.But that's enough ...
    More than a fieldingBy David Slack
    3 days ago
  • National’s murderous smoking policy
    One of the big underlying problems in our political system is the prevalence of short-term thinking, most usually seen in the periodic massive infrastructure failures at a local government level caused by them skimping on maintenance to Keep Rates Low. But the new government has given us a new example, ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    3 days ago
  • NZ has a chance to rise again as our new government gets spending under control
    New Zealand has  a chance  to  rise  again. Under the  previous  government, the  number of New Zealanders below the poverty line was increasing  year by year. The Luxon-led government  must reverse that trend – and set about stabilising  the  pillars  of the economy. After the  mismanagement  of the outgoing government created   huge ...
    Point of OrderBy tutere44
    3 days ago
  • KARL DU FRESNE: Media and the new government
    Two articles by Karl du Fresne bring media coverage of the new government into considerations.  He writes –    Tuesday, November 28, 2023 The left-wing media needed a line of attack, and they found one The left-wing media pack wasted no time identifying the new government’s weakest point. Seething over ...
    Point of OrderBy poonzteam5443
    3 days ago
  • PHILIP CRUMP:  Team of rivals – a CEO approach to government leadership
    The work begins Philip Crump wrote this article ahead of the new government being sworn in yesterday – Later today the new National-led coalition government will be sworn in, and the hard work begins. At the core of government will be three men – each a leader ...
    Point of OrderBy poonzteam5443
    3 days ago
  • Black Friday
    As everyone who watches television or is on the mailing list for any of our major stores will confirm, “Black Friday” has become the longest running commercial extravaganza and celebration in our history. Although its origins are obscure (presumably dreamt up by American salesmen a few years ago), it has ...
    Bryan GouldBy Bryan Gould
    3 days ago
  • In Defense of the Media.
    Yesterday the Ministers in the next government were sworn in by our Governor General. A day of tradition and ceremony, of decorum and respect. Usually.But yesterday Winston Peters, the incoming Deputy Prime Minister, and Foreign Minister, of our nation used it, as he did with the signing of the coalition ...
    Nick’s KōreroBy Nick Rockel
    3 days ago
  • Top 10 news links at 10 am for Tuesday, Nov 28
    Nicola Willis’ first move was ‘spilling the tea’ on what she called the ‘sobering’ state of the nation’s books, but she had better be able to back that up in the HYEFU. Photo: Lynn Grieveson / The KākāTL;DR: Here’s my pick of top 10 news links elsewhere at 10 am ...
    The KakaBy Bernard Hickey
    3 days ago
  • PT use up but fare increases coming
    Yesterday Auckland Transport were celebrating, as the most recent Sunday was the busiest Sunday they’ve ever had. That’s a great outcome and I’m sure the ...
    3 days ago
  • The very opposite of social investment
    Nicola Willis (in blue) at the signing of the coalition agreement, before being sworn in as both Finance Minister and Social Investment Minister. National’s plan to unwind anti-smoking measures will benefit her in the first role, but how does it stack up from a social investment viewpoint? Photo: Lynn Grieveson ...
    The KakaBy Bernard Hickey
    3 days ago
  • Giving Tuesday
    For the first time "in history" we decided to jump on the "Giving Tuesday" bandwagon in order to make you aware of the options you have to contribute to our work! Projects supported by Skeptical Science Inc. Skeptical Science Skeptical Science is an all-volunteer organization but ...
    4 days ago
  • Let's open the books with Nicotine Willis
    Let’s say it’s 1984,and there's a dreary little nation at the bottom of the Pacific whose name rhymes with New Zealand,and they've just had an election.Jesus, Mary, and Joseph, will you look at the state of these books we’ve opened,cries the incoming government, will you look at all this mountain ...
    More Than A FeildingBy David Slack
    4 days ago
  • Climate Change: Stopping oil
    National is promising to bring back offshore oil and gas drilling. Naturally, the Greens have organised a petition campaign to try and stop them. You should sign it - every little bit helps, and as the struggle over mining conservation land showed, even National can be deterred if enough people ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    4 days ago
  • Don’t accept Human Rights Commission reading of data on Treaty partnership – read the survey fin...
    Wellington is braced for a “massive impact’ from the new government’s cutting public service jobs, The Post somewhat grimly reported today. Expectations of an economic and social jolt are based on the National-Act coalition agreement to cut public service numbers in each government agency in a cost-trimming exercise  “informed by” head ...
    Point of OrderBy Bob Edlin
    4 days ago
  • The stupidest of stupid reasons
    One of the threats in the National - ACT - NZ First coalition agreements was to extend the term of Parliament to four years, reducing our opportunities to throw a bad government out. The justification? Apparently, the government thinks "elections are expensive". This is the stupidest of stupid reasons for ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    4 days ago
  • A website bereft of buzz
    Buzz from the Beehive The new government was being  sworn in, at time of writing , and when Point of Order checked the Beehive website for the latest ministerial statements and re-visit some of the old ones we drew a blank. We found ….  Nowt. Nothing. Zilch. Not a ...
    Point of OrderBy Bob Edlin
    4 days ago
  • MICHAEL BASSETT: A new Ministry – at last
    Michael Bassett writes – Like most people, I was getting heartily sick of all the time being wasted over the coalition negotiations. During the first three weeks Winston grinned like a Cheshire cat, certain he’d be needed; Chris Luxon wasted time in lifting the phone to Winston ...
    Point of OrderBy poonzteam5443
    4 days ago
  • Luxon's Breakfast.
    The Prime Minister elect had his silver fern badge on. He wore it to remind viewers he was supporting New Zealand, that was his team. Despite the fact it made him look like a concierge, or a welcomer in a Koru lounge. Anna Burns-Francis, the Breakfast presenter, asked if he ...
    Nick’s KōreroBy Nick Rockel
    4 days ago
  • LINDSAY MITCHELL:  Oranga Tamariki faces major upheaval under coalition agreement
     Lindsay Mitchell writes – A hugely significant gain for ACT is somewhat camouflaged by legislative jargon. Under the heading ‘Oranga Tamariki’ ACT’s coalition agreement contains the following item:   Remove Section 7AA from the Oranga Tamariki Act 1989 According to Oranga Tamariki:     “Section ...
    Point of OrderBy poonzteam5443
    4 days ago
  • BRIAN EASTON:  Peters as Minister
    A previous column looked at Winston Peters biographically. This one takes a closer look at his record as a minister, especially his policy record. Brian Easton writes – 1990-1991: Minister of Māori Affairs. Few remember Ka Awatea as a major document on the future of Māori policy; there is ...
    Point of OrderBy poonzteam5443
    4 days ago
  • Cathrine Dyer's guide to watching COP 28 from the bottom of a warming planet
    Is COP28 largely smoke and mirrors and a plan so cunning, you could pin a tail on it and call it a weasel? Photo: Getty ImagesTL;DR: COP28 kicks off on November 30 and up for negotiation are issues like the role of fossil fuels in the energy transition, contributions to ...
    The KakaBy Bernard Hickey
    4 days ago
  • Top 10 news links at 10 am for Monday, Nov 27
    PM Elect Christopher Luxon was challenged this morning on whether he would sack Adrian Orr and Andrew Coster.TL;DR: Here’s my pick of top 10 news links elsewhere at 10 am on Monday November 27, including:Signs councils are putting planning and capital spending on hold, given a lack of clear guidance ...
    The KakaBy Bernard Hickey
    4 days ago
  • Gordon Campbell on the new government’s policies of yesteryear
    This column expands on a Werewolf column published by Scoop on Friday Routinely, Winston Peters is described as the kingmaker who gets to decide when the centre right or the centre-left has a turn at running this country. He also plays a less heralded but equally important role as the ...
    4 days ago
  • The New Government’s Agreements
    Last Friday, almost six weeks after election day, National finally came to an agreement with ACT and NZ First to form a government. They also released the agreements between each party and looking through them, here are the things I thought were the most interesting (and often concerning) from the. ...
    4 days ago
  • How many smokers will die to fund the tax cuts?
    Maori and Pasifika smoking rates are already over twice the ‘all adult’ rate. Now the revenue that generates will be used to fund National’s tax cuts. Photo: Getty ImagesTL;DR: The devil is always in the detail and it emerged over the weekend from the guts of the policy agreements National ...
    The KakaBy Bernard Hickey
    4 days ago
  • How the culture will change in the Beehive
    Perhaps the biggest change that will come to the Beehive as the new government settles in will be a fundamental culture change. The era of endless consultation will be over. This looks like a government that knows what it wants to do, and that means it knows what outcomes ...
    PolitikBy Richard Harman
    4 days ago
  • No More Winnie Blues.
    So what do you think of the coalition’s decision to cancel Smokefree measures intended to stop young people, including an over representation of Māori, from taking up smoking? Enabling them to use the tax revenue to give other people a tax cut?David Cormack summed it up well:It seems not only ...
    Nick’s KōreroBy Nick Rockel
    5 days ago
  • 2023 SkS Weekly Climate Change & Global Warming News Roundup #47
    A chronological listing of news and opinion articles posted on the Skeptical Science  Facebook Page during the past week: Sun, Nov 19, 2023 thru Sat, Nov 25, 2023.  Story of the Week World stands on frontline of disaster at Cop28, says UN climate chief  Exclusive: Simon Stiell says leaders must ‘stop ...
    5 days ago
  • Some of it is mad, some of it is bad and some of it is clearly the work of people who are dangerous ...
    On announcement morning my mate texted:Typical of this cut-price, fake-deal government to announce itself on Black Friday.What a deal. We lose Kim Hill, we gain an empty, jargonising prime minister, a belligerent conspiracist, and a heartless Ayn Rand fanboy. One door closes, another gets slammed repeatedly in your face.It seems pretty ...
    More Than A FeildingBy David Slack
    5 days ago
  • “Revolution” is the threat as the Māori Party smarts at coalition government’s Treaty directi...
    Buzz from the Beehive Having found no fresh announcements on the government’s official website, Point of Order turned today to Scoop’s Latest Parliament Headlines  for its buzz. This provided us with evidence that the Māori Party has been soured by the the coalition agreement announced yesterday by the new PM. “Soured” ...
    Point of OrderBy Bob Edlin
    6 days ago
  • The Good, the Bad, and the even Worse.
    Yesterday the trio that will lead our country unveiled their vision for New Zealand.Seymour looking surprisingly statesmanlike, refusing to rise to barbs about his previous comments on Winston Peters. Almost as if they had just been slapstick for the crowd.Winston was mostly focussed on settling scores with the media, making ...
    Nick’s KōreroBy Nick Rockel
    6 days ago
  • When it Comes to Palestine – Free Speech is Under Threat
    Hi,Thanks for getting amongst Mister Organ on digital — thanks to you, we hit the #1 doc spot on iTunes this week. This response goes a long way to helping us break even.I feel good about that. Other things — not so much.New Zealand finally has a new government, and ...
    David FarrierBy David Farrier
    6 days ago
  • Thank you Captain Luxon. Was that a landing, or were we shot down?
    Hello! Here comes the Saturday edition of More Than A Feilding, catching you up on the past week’s editions.Also in More Than A FeildingFriday The unboxing And so this is Friday and what have we gone and done to ourselves?In the same way that a Christmas present can look lovely under the ...
    More Than A FeildingBy David Slack
    6 days ago
  • Cans of Worms.
    “And there’ll be no shortage of ‘events’ to test Luxon’s political skills. David Seymour wants a referendum on the Treaty. Winston wants a Royal Commission of Inquiry into Labour’s handling of the Covid crisis. Talk about cans of worms!”LAURIE AND LES were very fond of their local. It was nothing ...
    6 days ago
  • Disinformation campaigns are undermining democracy. Here’s how we can fight back
    This article is republished from The Conversation under a Creative Commons license. Read the original article. Misinformation is debated everywhere and has justifiably sparked concerns. It can polarise the public, reduce health-protective behaviours such as mask wearing and vaccination, and erode trust in science. Much of misinformation is spread not ...
    6 days ago
  • Peters as Minister
    A previous column looked at Winston Peters biographically. This one takes a closer look at his record as a minister, especially his policy record.1990-1991: Minister of Māori Affairs. Few remember Ka Awatea as a major document on the future of Māori policy; there is not even an entry in Wikipedia. ...
    PunditBy Brian Easton
    7 days ago
  • The New Government: 2023 Edition
    So New Zealand has a brand-spanking new right-wing government. Not just any new government either. A formal majority coalition, of the sort last seen in 1996-1998 (our governmental arrangements for the past quarter of a century have been varying flavours of minority coalition or single-party minority, with great emphasis ...
    7 days ago
  • The unboxing
    And so this is Friday and what have we gone and done to ourselves?In the same way that a Christmas present can look lovely under the tree with its gold ribbon but can turn out to be nothing more than a big box holding a voucher for socks, so it ...
    More Than A FeildingBy David Slack
    7 days ago
  • A cruel, vicious, nasty government
    So, after weeks of negotiations, we finally have a government, with a three-party cabinet and a time-sharing deputy PM arrangement. Newsroom's Marc Daalder has put the various coalition documents online, and I've been reading through them. A few things stand out: Luxon doesn't want to do any work, ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • Hurrah – we have a new government (National, ACT and New Zealand First commit “to deliver for al...
    Buzz from the Beehive Sorry, there has been  no fresh news on the government’s official website since the caretaker trade minister’s press statement about the European Parliament vote on the NZ-EU Free Trade Agreement. But the capital is abuzz with news – and media comment is quickly flowing – after ...
    Point of OrderBy Bob Edlin
    1 week ago
  • Christopher Luxon – NZ PM #42.
    Nothing says strong and stable like having your government announcement delayed by a day because one of your deputies wants to remind everyone, but mostly you, who wears the trousers. It was all a bit embarrassing yesterday with the parties descending on Wellington before pulling out of proceedings. There are ...
    Nick’s KōreroBy Nick Rockel
    1 week ago
  • Coalition Government details policies & ministers
    Winston Peters will be Deputy PM for the first half of the Coalition Government’s three-year term, with David Seymour being Deputy PM for the second half. Photo montage by Lynn Grieveson for The KākāTL;DR: PM-Elect Christopher Luxon has announced the formation of a joint National-ACT-NZ First coalition Government with a ...
    The KakaBy Bernard Hickey
    1 week ago
  • “Old Coat” by Peter, Paul & Mary.
     THERE ARE SOME SONGS that seem to come from a place that is at once in and out of the world. Written by men and women who, for a brief moment, are granted access to that strange, collective compendium of human experience that comes from, and belongs to, all the ...
    1 week ago

  • New Zealand welcomes European Parliament vote on the NZ-EU Free Trade Agreement
    A significant milestone in ratifying the NZ-EU Free Trade Agreement (FTA) was reached last night, with 524 of the 705 member European Parliament voting in favour to approve the agreement. “I’m delighted to hear of the successful vote to approve the NZ-EU FTA in the European Parliament overnight. This is ...
    1 week ago
  • Further humanitarian support for Gaza, the West Bank and Israel
    The Government is contributing a further $5 million to support the response to urgent humanitarian needs in Gaza, the West Bank and Israel, bringing New Zealand’s total contribution to the humanitarian response so far to $10 million. “New Zealand is deeply saddened by the loss of civilian life and the ...
    2 weeks ago

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