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Open Mike 07/06/2018

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  1. Ed 1

    George Galloway on Twitter.

    “The murder of #RazzanNajjar was not a “tragedy”. This is doublespeak. It was a deliberately executed War Crime like the 112 other murders in the trail of tears of the #GreatReturnMarch and the 13,000 wounded.”

    Good to see Argentina pulling out of a football game with the apartheid state of Israel.

    Boycott.
    Divest.
    Sanction.

    • Stunned mullet 1.1

      What Israel sourced products or services will you be boycotting Ed ?

      • Ed 1.1.1

        As if you care.

        • Stunned Mullet 1.1.1.1

          I’m interested in how you propose the average person in NZ boycotts Israel ?

          Besides not buying soda stream and refusing certain pharmaceuticals I’m unsure how anyone here can do much.

          • AsleepWhileWalking 1.1.1.1.1

            There must be a govt agency with that information but I think it would be most effective to put pressure on importers.

            They deserve a good boycott.

          • James 1.1.1.1.2

            SM – I think you will find Ed is only here for the slogan.

            He will do exactly nothing.

            Apart from some links to crackpots like Galloway (who likes to play pussycat)

            • One Anonymous Bloke 1.1.1.1.2.1

              That’s not nothing: promoting Galloway and his self-aggrandising gobshite undermines credible commentary and makes it easier for the Israelis to dismiss their critics as misled.

              • reason

                Galloway has been attacked and assaulted by Zionists for his truth telling about them ….making it easier for critics of israel to show them as violent thugs ….
                Aside from that ….What gobshite are you gobshitting about ?? ….

                Perhaps wayne mapp ….. a racist warmonger who also dislikes him could help you with an example of how ‘wrong’ he is. ….

                or three face James …. brimming with crackpot examples no doubt [sarc].

                But I’m sure you’ve got heaps of examples and need no help backing up what you’ve written ….

              • mauī

                If it’s gobshite then surely people will work that out eventually. Galloway can then be resigned to the status of a propaganda factory like the rest of the lamestream. But for now I only see a rising tide for George.

                • Tuppence Shrewsbury

                  He has been consigned to the gutter of youtube. only ed keeps picking the rapist up and regurgitating his pronouncements

                  • mauī

                    Does the gutter of youtube include 1 million view videos talking about boring old politics?

                    • McFlock

                      how many views does Alex Jones get?

                    • Draco T Bastard

                      Popularity doesn’t make him (or anyone for that matter) right.

                    • Tuppence Shrewsbury

                      Well strike me down with a feather, I completely agree with Draco on this point.

                      views / likes / retweets do not equal being correct on a matter.

                      Plenty of “alt-right” you tubers with millions of views and nothing of any interest to say, if not down right insulting to intelligence

          • reason 1.1.1.1.3

            Hewlett Packard computrers and all the other tech companies who prop up their apartheid war state are fair game for boycotts …. Rupert Murdoch media would be another.

            But otherwise supporting New Zealanders who have been smeared by zionists is a good activity … like Lorde was …. usually with false anti-semite accusations.

            Ed is very good at bearing witness and posting up a record of peoples deeds …. despite the bleats and moans from the stunned James and other right wing precious malcontents of this world.

            Spreading the truth and debunking zionist lies is a worthwhile activity IMO

            https://mikopeled.com/

          • Venezia 1.1.1.1.4

            Stunned mullet. A big range of make up and fragrance is owned by Israeli companies. I used to be a fan of Estée Lauder, but has been years since I bought this brand.
            Main point about BDS is the raising of awareness about Israeli genocide in Gaza & West Bank, especially among Israeli population many if whom do not know what is going on. So BDS aims at corporates, businesses as well as sports teams, pop/ rock stars, & musicians with high international profiles to say no and why.

            • saveNZ 1.1.1.1.4.1

              Someone told me that the My Food Bag, uses Israeli produce, not sure if that is true, maybe somebody knows? Would put me off for many reasons, if true.

            • alwyn 1.1.1.1.4.2

              ” A big range of make up and fragrance is owned by Israeli companies. I used to be a fan of Estée Lauder, but has been years since I bought this brand.”.
              That reads as if you believe that Estee Lauder is a company that is owned in Israel. That is rubbish.
              The only possible way you can make any connection at all is that one of the sons of the people who founded the company is involved in Jewish Groups who do support Israel. He is a director of the company but he is a US, not an Israeli citizen and he appears to have nothing to do with the day to day operations.

              • Draco T Bastard

                The only possible way you can make any connection at all is that one of the sons of the people who founded the company is involved in Jewish Groups who do support Israel.

                And that’s enough to stop using their products.

    • AsleepWhileWalking 1.2

      There was that Mark Dice Man on the Street piece where he asked people what nation was behind various attacks.

      First question was on the USS Liberty in 1967, and other horrific attacks through to the present day.

      People blamed Iran, Iraq, Russia, Arabs and occasionally China, but in each case the correct answer was ISRAEL.

      Wish I could find it as worth watching.

    • Roflcopter 1.3

      Well, if you’re going to boycott anything Israel, I guess we won’t be seeing you here much?

      Intel to invest $4.5 billion in Israel in 2018
      Kiryat Gat is already one of the world’s most advanced chip fabs after Intel invested $6 billion in expanding and upgrading it during 2016 and 2017.

      https://www.jpost.com/Jpost-Tech/Business-and-Innovation/Intel-to-invest-45-billion-in-Israel-in-2018-543017

      Throw your computer away.

      • One Two 1.3.1

        Major player in ‘cyber security’ products…

        One of the largest and most advanced, commercially…

        Used in many private and public instutions , globally…

      • OnceWasTim 1.3.2

        What? You mean like a TINA sort of thing? There is no alternative to Intel?
        And as if the Chinese haven’t already co-opted (to put it politely) the intellectual property that comes from that research and development.
        That kind of TINA?
        Please! Keep it up – you’re going to be one really disappointed fella.

      • Draco T Bastard 1.3.3

        Well, that does mean that my next PC will be based upon AMD.

      • Puckish Rogue 1.3.4

        With a heavy heart and much thought Ed will decide that, in this case only, he’ll keep using his computer but only because its for the greater good 🙂

  2. adam 2

    Almost 10 KM into Syria, Turkey flexing the ego of Erdogan. Is this the beginning of the end for the Kurds?

    https://apnews.com/99161aac539f4ff3b2f7be86f5d64ef1

    • solkta 2.1

      Sounds like the US just stabbed them in the back. No longer required since ISIS is on the decline so sacrifice these people to keep Turkey happy.

  3. saveNZ 3

    Saw this and thought of John Key…

    “Addendum: don’t touch the staff
    In 2018, you might assume it is a given that customers must not pet, grope or manhandle waiters. But having browsed Twitter and seen chefs such as Stevie Parle reminding diners to “Keep your hands to yourself” – and Guinea Grill landlord Oisin Rogers proudly relaying his team’s zero tolerance approach: “She told him she would cut his arm off if he touched her again” – it needs reiterating: DO NOT TOUCH THE STAFF.”

    https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2018/jan/15/the-new-rules-of-dining-out-resist-table-hogging-tip-in-cash-dont-moan-about-cakeage

  4. Chris 4

    Trump doesn’t want talks with NK, wants to quash even the slightest chance of reunification, preparing the way for an attack instead:

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/asia/104520135/kim-jongun-got-on-hands-and-knees-and-begged-for-summit-giuliani

  5. Pat 5

    Kiwis lazy and drug addled …because they wont work for $75 dollars a week.

    https://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/morningreport/audio/2018648212/rse-workers-invaluable-to-industry-nz-fruit-grower

    Modern day slavery….and the orchardists appear to have no shame.

    • DH 5.1

      I’d be interested in seeing a comparison of the pay and conditions that seasonal workers get now. I picked apples Motueka way in the ’80s and there was no shortage of workers, mainly because the pay was pretty good and the welfare system was sympathetic….

      $20 per bin, we’d pick 4-6 bins per day
      Free (basic) onsite accommodation included in the bin rate
      No stand-down period, the unemployed could go straight back on the dole

      Back then the dole was around $100 per week from memory and a reasonably motivated & fit worker could easily pull $600 per week picking aples. I’d expect it to be well over $1000 per week now if it followed inflation…..

      • saveNZ 5.1.1

        You have hit the nail on the head, DH! There are plenty of workers but it has to be worthwhile to work, aka free basic accomodation, much higher pay rate than dole aka 600x and you can go back onto the dole without a stand down period.

        If the casual industry bothered to do all these then they would have plenty of workers and NZ less un or under employed in this country.

        I’d say not providing decent work opportunities that we previously enjoyed, is also leading to a rise in the ‘hopeless drugged youth’ that Bill English seems to think has become the NZ worker who only a few decades ago used to be held in high esteem worldwide for their work ethic and practical approach!

        • DH 5.1.1.1

          Yeah, there’s nothing mysterious about it. The unemployed went fruit picking because they were mad not to.

          I didn’t do packhouse work so I don’t know what that was like but don’t recall people moaning about the pay there either. Kiwifruit picking paid similar to apples, I did that too, the season was just shorter.

      • dukeofurl 5.1.2

        “The apple production in New Zealand is a huge sector for such a small country. The estimated crop for 2014 was close to 500 000 tonnes, which represents around 1 400 000 bins. If you consider that an average picker will pick about 200 bins over his season, it represents at least 7000 apple picking jobs.”

        Pay rates ?
        Its complicated with a sliding scale
        “Generally speaking, the bin rates for apple picking in New Zealand are lower than the ones in Australia. Also, I’ve never seen any farm in New Zealand having a fixed rate per bin. Indeed, it will rather fluctuate depending on each variety, on each pick (1st, 2nd, 3rd color pick), and sometimes on each block. It’s called a sliding rate. As a result it’s not rare to see up to 5-6 different bin rates appearing on your weekly payslip, related to the different kind of picking you’ve done over the week.

        Common prices are between 24,5$ and 32$ per bin. However, I’ve seen it as low as 22,5$ in some farms, and as high as 36-37$ in others.

        Bin sizes can vary a bit, but rate doesnt seen to different from 20 years ago, maybe only 40%-50% higher!
        https://www.picktheworld.org/apple-picking-new-zealand/

        • DH 5.1.2.1

          Hard to make a comparison from that data but it does look to be paying less today. Minimum wage in 1988 was $5.62 hr, bin rate then was nearly four times that and todays rate looks a lot less.

          The varying rates should still end up with the same earnings. We had a few differing bin rates which were down to the difficult in picking. Golden delicious paid $25 per bin because they bruised easier and we had to be more careful with them. They paid more but we picked less and ended up making much the same $$ over a day.

          • dukeofurl 5.1.2.1.1

            Agree with you there.
            Bin rates should $50 plus.

          • OnceWasTim 5.1.2.1.2

            Definately less than what it used to be.
            Last season, I picked up some Fijian guys trying to get to the packhouse. The bus had bypassed them because it was full – leaving them stranded, next to a TePuke Z, shivering with cold with what would normally be black thumbs held out and the tips looking very red.
            What I learned was that for the priviledge of coming to Godzone for some lowly work, they’d become a fucking sight worse off than if they’d stayed at home.
            By the time consultants used for various stages in the process to come here, (immigration consultants, travel agents, work consultants et al) had clipped their tickets, they were up for less than 50% of the earnings promised.
            They were holding out hope that in following years, they’d be experienced enough to circumvent some of the rorts in play, and rorts that were part of ‘the system and structure’ .
            (By the way, I note the new CEO of MoBIE now has some serious concerns. I suggest she only need review some of the cases on record – unless of course ‘officials’ have managed to disguise their part in it all).

            We’ll see

    • AB 5.2

      The right to be profitable is inalienable and it must be supported by taxpayer subsidies, externalising costs and by employees enduring miserable, crappy lives.
      Seriously though, how can you make such an operation profitable without doing those things?
      Would taking Mr Van Vliet out of the equation entirely and have the workers own and run it cooperatively make a difference?

      • Pat 5.2.1

        How do you make it profitable?….you mechanise, price accordingly and if still not viable you shift to another area of investment.

        The same arguments were used to justify slavery in the US south…..we have learned nothing….same old shit justification for greed.

      • Draco T Bastard 5.2.2

        Would taking Mr Van Vliet out of the equation entirely and have the workers own and run it cooperatively make a difference?

        Probably.

        Still:

        FFRobotics is developing a machine that has three-fingered grips to grab fruit and twist or clip it from a branch. The machine would have between four and 12 robotic arms, and can pick up to 10,000 apples an hour, Kober said.

        One machine would be able to harvest a variety of crops, taking 85 to 90 per cent of the crop off the trees, Kober said. Humans could pick the rest.

        Abundant Robotics is working on a picker that uses suction to vacuum apples off trees.

        Plans for the robotic harvesters – including a goal of getting them to market before 2019 – were discussed in February at an international convention of fruit growers in Wenatchee, Washington.

        The two robot makers are likely to hit their production goals, said Karen Lewis, a Washington State University cooperative extension agent who has studied the issue.

        Robotics Plus signs global deal for robotic apple packers

        Deal highlights demand for agricultural automation technology; follows recent investment from Yamaha Motor Co. to accelerate company’s growth

        Robotics Plus, a New Zealand agricultural robotics and automation company, today announced it has signed an agency and distribution agreement with Global Pac Technologies which will see the company’s revolutionary robotic apple packers go global. The deal, which will initially target the US, Australian and New Zealand markets, is fuelling a period of accelerated growth for Robotics Plus as industry demand for its innovation grows.

        Something tells me that even the imported workers won’t have a job for much longer.

        • saveNZ 5.2.2.1

          More people joining the NZ job queue then… what gets me is that they know that these jobs are going to be replaced and the government is bringing migrants under phony work to residency schemes and underpaying NZ workers who could be having a job and then they wonder why there’s a growing social welfare bill and we are less skilled than we used to be. Doh!

          There have been scandals when migrants are working in petrol stations and getting residency, FFS the automated petrol pump is already here! Oh course we often know this when they reveal they were paid $2 p/h by their employer hence the scandal, who is often a recent resident themselves!

          One of the ways Fonterra become so efficient is that they could not get staff, then they invented the automated milking systems…. in NZ we have got further behind the world in many areas, due to not using technology and then relying on slave and unskilled labour for industry, which funny enough lowers our productivity and wages… go figure.

    • Draco T Bastard 5.3

      Wonder how much more he makes by deducting all those expenses before hand.

      • pat 5.3.1

        Not an insignificant sum id suggest….is almost getting to the point where they are paying to be employed…edit, it could be argued they indeed already are.

  6. Leonhart Hunt 6

    Interesting story went to court about relationships,

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/auckland/local-news/north-shore-times/104513885/auckland-mans-partner-left-him-only-her-ashes-sparking-legal-battle

    Now during my problems with MSD (fraud) the central questioned was “what is a relationship” you will probably not be surprised to know that there is no definition its based on case law, now this case has created another pieces of case law that is very dangerous in this case that person who was not living with another person but was taking care of them is considered a “de-facto partner”

    This means now MSD can prosecute people for being in a relationship in the nature of a marries” (de-facto) when they do not live together.

    I can imagine a scenario, a sick person with a friend who comes out often to assist that person with household tasks, the unwell person is on welfare, the friend was an OK job, this sick person would need to declare that the the friend is their de-facto partner or MSD has the ability to prosecute them for fraud, even though they share nothing assets, liabilities etc, etc.

    Very dangerous ground, remember this is the Org that decided tinder date were relationships and loans are income.

  7. alwyn 7

    Is anyone reading this blog really surprised that the Pike River “re-entry” is slipping back into the never-never.
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/104507208/pike-river-mine-reentry-to-take-longer-than-expected
    Prior to the election it was going to be by Christmas.
    Then when they won Christmas was only for setting up a group to make a plan.
    Then re-entry was going to be by March 2019.
    Now it is going to be later.
    I remain convinced it will never happen and there will never be a return down to where they were working. How many people really retain their faith in our Little, Andrew?

  8. Observer Tokoroa 8

    Venzia

    I see you are concerned about Israeli self defence , but not the least bit worried about the atrocities committed by Islam in the name of God.

    Young Girls and Boys may follow your mistaken bias, but grownups won’t Venezia.

    Do think about it.

    • Leonhart Hunt 8.1

      Don’t mistake extremism for religion, for the majority of islamic followers (1.8 billion) they do not follow sharia law and treat their religion in the same way as the majority of christianity (2.18 billion) dose , as a code to respect, enjoy and honor life.

      I an give you examples of extremism for almost every religion (buddhism and Taoism seem to have been pretty good) but all the others have some very nasty history that is not followed by their members anymore.

      If you truly think islam is violent, I suggest to your local mosque and have a chat with an imam (btw I am not religious in any way and would write the same for anyone who said what you did about christianity)

  9. saveNZ 9

    Worthwhile read on TDB blowing Mike Sabin out of the water…

    “What I find really puzzling is the fact Northland has the greatest number of users of P in the whole country. And Northland was Mike Sabin’s the former MP for National seat. And yet Northland also has had the largest P seizures made by the police. One bust was half a ton 500kg of high quality imported Methamphetamine. All this would suggest P use has grown like an algal bloom in Northland. Strange that this should be the result from ten years of Mike Sabin’s vigilance?

    The headline P found in High levels in Whangarei wastewater since police and health officials gained data . NZ Herald 28 November 2017

    So just was Mike Sabin doing? I suggest he started the biggest lie and misinformation campaign in New Zealand’s history, and had the financial backing and full support of the National Government.

    I’ve long taken issue with Mike Sabin as I am qualified as Drug and Alcohol Clinician and put Patient or client needs first when discussing treatment. I haven’t found any education or qualification to suggest Mike has a degree or any tertiary education.”

    https://thedailyblog.co.nz/2018/06/07/special-investigation-jeanette-saxby-methamphetamine-and-what-a-fool-believes/

    • Tamati Tautuhi 9.1

      Northland has always had an unhealthy gang & drug culture and there is suggestions there may have been some close relationships between these people and some people within the law enforcement agencies ?

      I do remember a Senior person in one of these agencies was imprisoned, however old news, most gangs world wide manage to infiltrate law enforcement agencies and have insiders working for them.

    • Fireblade 9.2

      I remember John Key supported Mike Sabin’s career and his decision to leave Parliament.

      Mike did alot of “hands on” work with troubled adolescents in Northland.

    • DH 10.1

      Stats are at least being more honest with their phrasing than Linz but it’s still being misrepresented by the media. Stats make this note;

      “Home transfers aren’t just the sale and purchase of houses, although for simplicity we refer to the people involved in transfers as buyers and sellers. They also include the transfer of a deceased family member’s home, a marriage settlement, and administrative changes,”

      The numbers are useless, completely meaningless, until non-sales are separated from sales.

      Now it’s not hard to reconcile the transfer data with REINZ sales figures to get the true level of sales and one wonders why there’s a persistent refusal to do it.

      • saveNZ 10.1.1

        Also recent migrants are not included. So probably more illuminating in explaining what is going on, if people moving to NZ in last decade via Key immigration relaxed immigration policy, aka one of the highest in the world, is included, because it will be more like 50% of house sales in Auckland will be to ‘new’ residents.

  10. ropata 11

    10% nationally, up to 20% foreign buyers in Central Auckland and Queenstown.

    Xenophobia, racism etc etc

    Winter is here and we still have kiwis sleeping in cars and garages, and a generation locked into a lifetime of renting

    • Draco T Bastard 11.1

      The rentiers like it that way. In fact, they demand that it be that way.

      But while unearned income based on control of assets has always been a problem, it’s grown steadily over the last 40 years. Financialisation represents ‘the revenge of the rentier’ after being side-lined during the mid-20th century. They’re active rather than passive rentiers – part of the so-called working rich – ever seeking out new ways of extracting wealth from the economic system through rent-seeking. Financialisation has been both cause and consequence of a shift from wealth creation to wealth extraction and, with that, a shift of wealth to the rich.

      Though it never admits it, neoliberalism is a political-economic movement that seeks to legitimise widening economic inequalities and defend rentier interests above all others. Rentiers can live off others regardless of their gender, race, sexuality and so on.

      Quote from Why we can’t afford the rich” by Andrew Sayer, Richard Wilkinson

      Capitalists are the biggest bludgers.

    • Naki man 11.2

      Your link says
      9.7 % for Auckland and 3.3% nationally, so nothing has changed.
      Just more Xenophobia.

  11. saveNZ 12

    Feel for the poor home owners of the Bella Vista debacle.

    This is the tip of the ice burg. When the council/RMA ‘relaxed’ resource consents and in many cases do not require enough geotech advice and conditions before the building consent goes in, they have cleared the way for more ‘leaky buildings’ type housing failures but this time on the land.

    In the Bella Vista case no resource requirement for retaining to be done before the builds started and not enough geotech involved in the water issues, even before all the signed off building work by council that was found to be faulty.

    Same thing happened in the red zone of CHCH when land should not have been developed on was developed on without the right conditions. In the CHCH case, the council apparently did the right thing and refused the consent only to be sued by the developers and the environment court then overturned the council and let them develop there. The earthquakes happened and the houses and land were deemed unusable.

    Great for the developer though, who profited from it. As usual the people who suffer are the poor and middle class and the rate payers who have to pay for it. The developer, builders, council, council CEO and resource consenting and geo tech people on the original consent will get away scott free and just go on to do it again. That is what the system creates with zero consequences.

    Much tighter conditions are also needed at environment court and less tame RMA judges (99% of all RMA consents go through, whole system is rigged to push environmental and social disasters through) to prevent land from being developed for profit that will later be deemed uninhabitable and bankrupt/seriously disrupt people who saved hard for a home for their families and of course the compensation will not be from the person responsible but from the Tauranga ratepayers or maybe the building insurance if there was any?

    It is about time that when a building consent is put in by a developer then a portion of that money goes into a fund/insurance policy paid by the developer to bail out the homeowner if any serious problems develop. Not this wink wink, industry ‘insurance’ that does not seem to be paying out for leaky buildings or Bella Visa by the look of it.

    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12065617

    • onc 12.1

      Nah nah @savenz. The market the market. Not only is TINA, but who gives a fuck?
      /sarc
      And then of course you get this ‘broad church’ of what is now a really quaint concept of ‘the Left’ trying to excercise their egos and display their commitment.
      All, after 30 years or more of a globalisation project designed to encourage the periphery to the core – in terms of economy and culcha (and language), and then to justify their prejudices BECAUSE of it.
      But….you know, the market the market! But for age, I’d be quite happy to stick around to see who the survivors are in all this madnesss. There are a few from yesterday and before on
      https://thestandard.org.nz/were-etu-union-delegates-threatened-at-a-select-committee/ and on
      Open Mikes who when push and shit comes to shove, really aren’t going to make it.

      And here’s me, not the slightest interested in kinspirisy theories or all the crap that comes with MSM bias (probably as much to do with the change they’d normally be advocating for) as are other professing various political leanings.
      One fucked up Whurl, and just as people like the Muppet Fuddy Duddy @Wayne are part of it, ……………… heads of our post-colonial PS still in charge of their prejudices and surreptitiously directing others to do otherwise, …. etc., etc….
      the left have their equivalents (all Indians are the same apparently, despite their having suffered A FUCKING SIGHT more than me).
      But then…. you know…. TORY BOY and JUDE and Pulla can set themselves at ease, (and Parmjeet Kaur and Fukwit Bakshi for the matter) are Considerably CONSIDERABLY C O N S I D E R A B LY ) richer than me (if only in terms of the Rajistan Marble and frail cement and brick constructs they’re parked their boltholes and investments in
      (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jOlbOZ9w84I and many others)
      You could actually start a sewage recycling factory with a reasaonable earn using their SHITE).
      Sincerely, I wish them luck.

    • Tamati Tautuhi 12.2

      When will Councils and Central Governments ever learn we just keep repeating the same mistakes ?

  12. Brigid 13

    Introducing The Shirley Exception

    “The Shirley Exception is a bit of mental sleight of hand that allows people to support a policy they profess to disagree with. It’s called the Shirley Exception because… well, I mean, *surely* there must be exceptions, right?”

  13. reason 14

    “Throw your computer away.” …. nah just don’t upgrade …. or don’t upgrade to new Intel.

    Send them a message telling them you are doing this and why if you like ….

    As an aside …. A “don’t upgrade” consumers campaign could be a very effective people power tool against image conscious corporations like apple … regarding the legal robbery /’creative accounting’, as they freeload and skip out of paying their fair share of tax on their enormous profits in every society / country they sell their sweatshop goods.

    *1hr 13 mins ….. Political partys like the Nacts who are working for the rich cheats need their hands forced .

    **Mapp should pay attention 53min .30sec mark

    56 mins on should have Nz asking questions of Mark mitchell and his war profiteering wealth.

  14. Hoskings commenting again today about the nurses wage claims is simply the overpaid telling the underpaid to suck it up and don’t disturb his natural order.
    I get the feeling that the DHB’s and Education Dept are offering derisory wage increases as they are right wingers trying to provoke industrial action.

    • Beeildered 15.1

      Yep it’s all a cunning plan

    • In Vino 15.2

      All true. Hosking also made a derisorily stupid argument that Nurses should not bother trying to point out and catch up on past injustices. I suspect that he has a fairly short attention span.

  15. Cemetery Jones 16

    Gotta love seeing the Washington Post using the words ‘Trump’ and ‘fixation’ in the same sentence sans irony.

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/americas/104530642/pardons-become-a-trump-fixation-but-his-latest-causes-alarm-in-the-white-house

  16. Eco Maori 17

    Good morning The AM Show Carbon neutral is only going to be good for Aotearoa our import bill will go down with low oil import our health bill will go down.
    The oil industry is better to look at reality like ECO MAORI and look for the positive thing they can get out of the carbon neutral economy like investing in the industry engineering retooling to make wind Mills ect.
    What I get about extra trestral alien life is if we look at stars with the best telescopes millions of light years a way if we see life on planet at that minute the life could be extinct because it takes millions of light years for the image to get to Papatuanukue so we are looking into there past.
    As with Alien life it has most probably been and gone on some planets. It’s not a if on alien life its a question of when as we have existed for a fraction of time on Papatuanukue and life could have been and gone on planets close to us because the habitance were to short sighted and they could not think of 200 years into the Mokopunas future enough said. Duncan and Mark looking forward to the weekend a have a good time at the rugby. Ka kite ano P.S remember that old saying if one is caught in a rip tide while swimming one does not swim against it as one will drown its best to swim with the rip tide as it will bring you to safey Know

  17. Eco Maori 18

    The AM Show we don’t want the wealthy foreigners to OWN All Of Atoearoa.
    We will all be renting in OUR own country and that’s is what will happen if national have there way in ECO MAORI view on Reality. Ka kite ano P.S the real truth is hard to find one has to decipher it from many sources Duncan

  18. Eco Maori 19

    I found this article on the Guardian
    Its head lined Sausage deplomacy I say there is another way to look at that state meant as Men think with their sausage to much and that is one of the reasons I push for Lady’s equality.
    Link is Below

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/jun/07/emmanuel-macron-sausages-diplomacy-donald-trump

    Ka kite ano P.S I’m not sure about the other parts of the story’s facts

  19. Eco Maori 20

    ECO MAORI IS Like a Red Flag to a bull to Te sandflys a challenge I don’t even have to mention them just let them know that my IQ is above average and that Alot of men think with there sausage and it pisses them off they have stop the marked cars pulling people over just as I’m cruising what a coincidence Well I will have to take that last line back because they coincidencely pulled some actor up just past my daughter house just as we got home they had the chopper flying by work for a hour – – – – -. So no truce I’m going to go hard on imforming te tangata excalacly how divious they are and if anyone is affected negatively it’s all on them they don’t Own Atoearoa. I have left a few links out trying to take the humane route but there EGO does not let this type of thinking enter there heads O I forgot sausage.
    They have been throwing actors every day at ECO MAORI muppets Ana to kai well their is some positive for te tangata if they are busy with ECO MAORI they haven’t got time to intimidat te Mokopunas. Ka kite ano

  20. R.P Mcmurphy 21

    pissed off biggly with the GWC the MDC theCDC the LWRWRDC and “business interests who want to spend money in the worst possible way.
    mainly because in the short term their properties will gain value and and because the promoters have told certain people they can invest for a long term gain and feel like rich people blah blah as they plan for their retirement as general flunkies.
    the dairy boom is over.
    new plans have to be made to keep the best farms going and plan for alternative produce to obtain a comparative advantage.
    the bozos doing the so called planning now dont have a clue besides an accountants metric and that is not good enough now.
    one dimensional maroons.

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