Open mike 11/03/2012

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43 comments on “Open mike 11/03/2012”

  1. Jenny 1

    Len Brown defines the issue:

    “The issue is……”

    “…..throw myself into the middle of this, and I could.”

    (but I won’t)

    “I’ve got a mandate and we certainly have the power”

    (But, I will ignore that mandate, and not use that power)

    “I could get in amongst that”,

    (But, I won’t.)

    http://static.stuff.co.nz/files/Counciltranscript.pdf

  2. Jenny 2

    The question for us who put him there; Does Len Brown’s definition of “The issue” meet the needs of the situation?

    I am guessing, not. What do others think?

    • rosy 2.1

      I think Matt McCarten says it well in the herald…

      Brown’s actions, or lack of them, over the port fiasco are perplexing.

      His officials set an impossible 12 per cent return for his port’s directors.

      When they ran into trouble I’m told the board offered the mayor their resignations. If true it was a master stroke. Because once he assured them of his support he was their puppet.

      No experienced politician who knows what they stand for would have been manoeuvred like this…

      …Anyone can be a leader when the going is easy. Leaders are judged by how they respond in a crisis.

      Our mayor built his career on the backs of the working class and the poor. He is now being tested whether he deserves their past loyalty or whether he was just another slick opportunist.

      In the next few weeks the real character and calibre of our mayor will be revealed. All of Auckland is watching. His chances of re-election and his legacy teeters.

  3. Jenny 3

    “The real challenge if I step into this, we have six other companies that we own that manage Auckland assets, like Watercare and Auckland Transport.
    Every time they have a problem, do I step myself into that?”

    In answer to Len’s question;

    Every time they have a problem, I step myself out-a that

    • Kotahi Tane Huna 3.1

      Translation: “The real challenge if I step into this stand up for them, we have six other companies that we own that manage Auckland assets, like Watercare and Auckland Transport.
      Every time they have a problem are attacked by unelected right-wing extremists, do I step myself into that stand up for them too?”

      • Jenny 3.1.1

        What a difference a day makes, 24 little hours.

        Today on current affairs programme Q+A the Mayor said he wanted to step in to the dispute between the parties to find a solution.

        MUNZ press release 11/03/12

        The leader of the Maritime Union, Gary Parsloe has warmly greeted the Mayor’s offer to step into the dispute to find a solution. And has offered to meet at any time on any day.

  4. Carol 4

    Go Penny!

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/6555638/Petition-stalks-Banks-Brash

    Labour MP Phil Twyford has tabled a petition calling for an investigation into the decision not to proceed with charges against John Banks and Don Brash as directors of the Huljich KiwiSaver scheme.

    Twyford won’t comment on the petition, which is the work of former Auckland mayoral candidate Penny Bright who is incensed that Banks, the minister for regulatory reform, escaped having to defend himself in court for signing a prospectus that contained false and misleading statements.

  5. A very good interview with David Shearer on Q+A. I’d prefer he didn’t try and talk for “New Zealanders”as much (something Goff did too much) but he generally came across well. Still early days for him.

    His (and Labour’s) biggest challenge is to reform their thinking and to take on board Shearer’s ideals. So far there’s been scant sign the Labour tropps are getting in behind their leader and helping promote his way.

    Shearer: “I’m not going to be a politician who takes petty snipes.”

    If he’s going to prove true to that he needs support from his MPs, and it would also help substantially if he got support from “The Standard” – posters and commenters here. There’s an opportunity to promote the new Shearer way rather than keep repeating past failures.

    • would you support peter dunne if you didn’t agree with him pete?

      • Pete George 5.1.1

        would you support peter dunne if you didn’t agree with him pete?

        Depends on how big a disagreement. I mostly agree with most of what he says and stands for, and there’s nothing (political) relationship breaking.

        I don’t have strong feelings on asset sales, I don’t think they are anywhere near as big a deal as some people seem to think. I think it’s fair enough that National should promote one of their key policies, but my personal preference is for them to only proceed with about a half of their proposals – this could yet happen due to ‘market conditions”.

        Would those campaigning against asset sales accept a halfway compromise? Or is it an ideological all or nothing contest?

      • David H 5.1.2

        Of course he would, he’d sell his soul to get his snout in the trough, as Dunne’s personal Comb Carrier. But as he missed out, he now has to work for a living and that must grate. As his usual drivel shows…. And the fact that he has NO strong feelings on Asset sales tells us that he would be yet another rubber stamper, for what ever crap bills /policies that The ‘Hair’ dreams up, or supports.

      • David H 5.1.3

        It comes under the heading of blind obedience.

    • KJT 5.2

      What makes you think everyone on the Standard supports Labour.
       
      In fact, this last election is the first time Labour have had any vote from me since 1987. I voted for a Labour electorate candidate.
       
      If Labour are veering again towards the right wing of the party, which it looks like they are, they are doomed to irrelevance. Getting in only because they are slightly less damaging than National.
       
      In that case I suspect the Greens will be the future opposition to National.
       
      Labour has abdicated that role! They have been AWOL for the last 3 years apart from Goff’s effort (Which briefly, was rather good) just before the election.

      • Pete George 5.2.1

        I didn’t claim everyone here supports Labour, obviously there are quite a few that don’t. But those that do have to decide if they want to get on board with their leader, or promote factional infighting and act against their leader’s principles.

        If they do the latter I agree, Greens may become the credible opposition.

        • KJT 5.2.1.1

          Still waiting to see what Shearer’s principles are!
           
          Are we going to find out before the next election?
           
           
          Or that he has none like Dunne!

          • Pete George 5.2.1.1.1

            It’s been widely reported that Shearer is going to start announcing this week, and I presume he did the Q+A interview as a part of this communication process.

            I think David Shearer would get on well with Peter Dunne, they are the sort of people that would have mutual respect and be prepared to work together on policies of common interest.

            • KJT 5.2.1.1.1.1

              If you wanted me to be even more dubious about Shearer, you have just done so!

              • Anne

                Lol.

                To be fair. Shearer’s interviewee personna has improved. Still some way to go, but he’ll get there.

                • shorts

                  he avoids giving answers like our current PM – do they share the same trainer?

                  disappointing

    • Draco T Bastard 5.3

      …and it would also help substantially if he got support from “The Standard” – posters and commenters here.

      Why? The people here at The Standard don’t necessarily support him.

      There’s an opportunity to promote the new Shearer way rather than keep repeating past failures.

      Says the person who’s part of a party that is supporting repeated failure.

  6. marsman 6

    A two page fluff piece by Andrea Vance on Judith Collins in the National Party Dominion Post yesterday to distract the masses from Key’s plummeting popularity.

  7. Adele 7

    Peter

    I thought that Shearer came across too dithering and while he was full of touchy feely platitudes there was little substance to the rhetoric. Admittedly my preference for labour leader has always been David Cunliffe.

    • Yes, there was a bit of that, but if he’s given good support he will grow into the job and come across stronger, in his own style.

      • do any of you ever read what ‘mr reasonable’ pete george says about you all on rightwing blogs..?

        he has as many faces as his leader..dunne..

        ..with each of them as meaningless as the other..

        phil-at-whoar.

        • rosy 7.1.1.1

          lol I can imagine, but I’ve no intention of giving that bog more page views.

        • Pete George 7.1.1.2

          I’ve been consistently hopeful that Shearer can against the odds turn Labour around.
          I’ve consistently said that New Zealand politics would benefit from a stronger Labour Party.

          And I’ve often promoted the sort of positive politics that Shearer that proposes – I could easily work with Shearer and his approach.

          And as usual all Ure does is attack with little more than dots.

          • phillip ure.. 7.1.1.2.1

            do you really want me to start digging out some recent quotes..there..p.g..?

            ..i do have more in my arsenal than dots..eh..?

            phil-at-whoar.

        • Kotahi Tane Huna 7.1.1.3

          There once was a chap called Pete George
          Who learned to use a keyboard
          With waffling phrases
          And multiple faces
          And a guarantee that you’ll be bored.

          Only kidding Pete – love your work, no, really…am I going on too much?

  8. http://whoar.co.nz/2012/commentwhoar-q-a-a-review-shearer-refuses-to-answer/

    first the good bits…

    i am glad to see the arrival of shane taurima as key interviewer..

    ..(i have long admired taurimas’ interview-work…he refuses to be brushed off..as so many other interviewers allow…and he bores down..)

    ..and this is what taurima does to shearer…

    cont..

    phil-at-whoar.

  9. TERRY NAKI 9

    Shearer wasnt a stumbling as usual on Q&A so it was better,but he seems to stall at times,still lots of work to do.

  10. just saying 10

    ‘We Travel and Equals or Not at All’ Joseph Arthur 2011
    Class-conscious music:

    In the dark of grave yard chatter
    In the light of freedoms call
    In the heat of any matter
    We travel as equals or not at all
    Bloom disgust and class divide
    I saw it written on the wall
    The only way we can survive
    We travel as equals or not at all
    You can’t be in greater comfort
    As my pain prevents your fall
    The truth will come and tell us brother
    We travel as equals or not at all
    And when we get to where we’re going
    Past the divide past the stall
    Past the wind that’s always blowing
    Travel as equals or not at all
    You might have a greater income
    Or you might be dumb and dull
    But either way I won’t leave you
    Travel as equals or not at all
    So help me too in my slumber
    If I’m blind in madness hall
    If I’m deaf amongst the thunder
    Travel as equals or not at all
    Lift the way forget the ransom
    Free the chain and kick the ball
    Let our love take us higher
    Travel as equals or not at all
    And down the road
    And thru the sky
    And on the tracks
    Hear the gull
    Fly above us
    Without worry
    Travel as equals or not at all
    I hope your road takes you homeward
    And may you always outrun the law
    If I’m with you we will always
    Travel as equals or not at all
    I will catch you if your lost
    I will catch you if you fall
    Yes if I’m with you
    We will always
    Travel as equals or not at all
    Yes if I’m with you
    We will always
    Travel as equals or not at all

    • prism 10.1

      Very inspiring words. I don’t remember hearing another aspirational song about moving together upwards since He Ain’t Heavy, He’s My Brother in the 70’s.

  11. Rose 11

    We are more likely to win the next election if we are a united party.

  12. We all remember those moments in time, where we were when some major event happened – it might be when we won a World Cup or were told of a major disaster (or found ourselves in one).
    On 22 February 2011, Christchurch had its moment for a lot of us that moment in time will be forever with us.

    Now it is 11 March 2012, one year to the day since we switched on our TV’s or had coverage interrupted by news of a major earthquake inducing a tsunami off the coast of Japan.We recall the footage of Japanese taking cover under whatever they could during the quake, the hasty evacuations as news of an impending tsunami spread and then the horror as the waves turned a strip of coastal Japan into one of the worlds biggest rubbish tips. Just as many Japanese did for Christchurch, lets give them the respect they deserve on this first anniversary.

    • That was the most horrifying TV coverage I have seen, watching the tsunami disaster unfold live. The victims and all involved deserve our utmost respects.

    • Vicky32 12.2

       Just as many Japanese did for Christchurch, lets give them the respect they deserve on this first anniversary.

      Absolutely yes! They are still suffering. The BBC WS has a programme about it that I am listening to right now…

  13. I haven’t tested this out, but I have just become aware that the public may be able to name more Green MPs than Labour ones, such is the standard of opposition coming from the older party. http://localbodies-bsprout.blogspot.co.nz/2012/03/greens-leading-opposition.html

    • Salsy 13.1

      Hi David, Im an active green party member, and ive noticed lately there is a swelling of anti-labour sentiment within the greens, particularly in the younger, urban new entrant range… Your comment above and your quip on TVNZ tonight about how Labours stance on foreign ownership is “stealing green policy” are also examples. I wonder what is the point is of the left attacking the left, its not constructive and its also a missed opportunity to support that policy. I hope that the greens instead focus on how to demand a far better deal with Labour next election and save the public criticism for the right.

      • Dave Kennedy 13.1.1

        Salsy, I hope my post didn’t come across as anti-Labour but more disappointment that they weren’t doing the work.

        Down in the Deep South we have huge issues with water pollution, the proposed lignite mining, the attack on our national parks by business interests and some shocking industrial situations, yet we have had little attention from Labour regarding any of these outside the election campaign. But we have had a continual flow of Green MPs personally visiting to learn about the issues, meeting with important stakeholders and genuinely attempting to find solutions.

        At the Matuara festival in January that was organized to look at the lignite issue we had one ex Green MP and four current ones attending, not one Labour MP even made an appearance. If the Greens were to contemplate a future coalition with Labour we would prefer a party that stood true to its values, not one still trying to have a bet each way.

  14. Treetop 14

    Can you imagine if Len Brown was an overseas share holder of energy assets and he wanted 12% more productivity or profit?

    This is the sort of scenario which will occur with the loss of control over the energy asset shares.

  15. bloody hell..!..over 300,000 people gobble sleeping pills each night…?

    ..taking this highly addictive crap peddled to them by unscrupulous drug companies…

    ..and their willing/well-paid minions/pushers..doctors..

    ..why don’t they just smoke a bloody joint..?

    ..non-addictive..

    ..and they will sleep like babies…

    ..(‘it’s an upside down world..alice’…)

    phil-at-whoar.

  16. johnm 16

    Yes that’s right! For the standards animal lovers including me here’s is some light relief from the tedium of political life:

    15st man mugged by a fox !!!!!

    Link: http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/4179342/15st-man-mugged-by-a-fox-Beasts-alley-attack-for-food.html

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  • An evidence-based discussion of the Canadian fluoride/IQ study
    Dr. Christopher Labos and Jonathan Jarry discuss the recent Canadian fluoride/IQ research. They provide an expert analysis of the paper and its problems. Click on image to go to podcast. The critical debate about the recent ...
    1 week ago
  • Climate Change: Australia in denial
    Australia is burning down again, and meanwhile its natural disaster minister is denying climate change:Australia’s minister responsible for drought and natural disasters, David Littleproud, has said that he doesn’t “know if climate change is manmade”. Clarifying earlier comments that the question is “irrelevant” when considering the Coalition government’s response to ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • Philippines activist speaking on the Duterte tyranny
    Auckland Philippines Solidarity is excited to host Professor Judy Taguiwalo for a speaking tour of NZ in September. She is a well-known activist in the Philippines and was a political prisoner under the Marcos dictatorship. Professor Taguiwalo briefly served as a Cabinet member under President Duterte but was forced from ...
    RedlineBy Daphna
    1 week ago
  • Disgust
    I have no special insights to offer on the Labour sexual assault coverup. All I have is disgust. Disgust that an organisation could fail its people so badly. Disgust that they punished the victims rather than the perpetrator. Disgust that its party hacks are apparently blaming the victims for demanding ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • Speak Up for Women calls out Greens’ censorship
    This open letter to the Green Party was penned after an opinion piece by Jill Abigail, a feminist and founding member of the party, was censored by the Greens’ leadership. (Redline has reprinted her article here).The intolerance of the Green Party leaders and their acceptance of the misogyny of gender ...
    RedlineBy Daphna
    1 week ago
  • Member’s Day: End of Life Choice, part 3
    Today is a Member's day, and David Seymour's End of Life Choice Bill continues its slow crawl through its committee stage. They're spending the whole day on it today, though the first hour is likely to be spent on voting left over from last time. After that they'll move on ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • Flight to Los Angeles turned back after passengers decide they don’t want to go anymore
    An ambitious plan to fly to Los Angeles petered out into a brief sight-seeing trip and a desire to return home and get some sleep before work tomorrow. Air New Zealand has confirmed a flight to Los Angeles last night was turned back about a quarter of the way into ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    1 week ago
  • Indigenous Futures: defuturing and futuring – an analytical framework for policy development?
    There appears to be consensus – by omission – that the concept of indigenous futures should be accepted at face value. So I scavenged the internet to see if I could locate an academic descriptor or a framework around how we think about it as a concept, and whether it ...
    EllipsisterBy Ellipsister
    1 week ago
  • Cadbury rumoured to be releasing the Pineapple Trump
    Here’s another novelty chocolate to shove in your gob, New Zealand Cadbury could be seeking to make itself great again with a rumoured new release: Pineapple Trumps, a spin on its classic chocolate-encased pineapple treat and do-it-yourself tooth remover. The global confectionery manufacturer and bumbling “before” character in an infomercial, ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    1 week ago
  • The coming resource war.
    During my time in the Pentagon I had the privilege of sitting down with military leaders and defence and security officials from a variety of Latin American nations. Sometimes I was present as a subordinate assistant to a senior US defence department official, sometimes as part of a delegation that ...
    KiwipoliticoBy Pablo
    1 week ago
  • Māori Language Week with The Civilian
    Kia ora, Aotearoa. It’s that magical time of year. Te Wiki o te Reo Māori. In English, the week that frightens talk radio. As you probably know by now, all your favourite media outlets are participating, some more successfully than others. Stuff has changed its name to Puna for the ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    1 week ago
  • Will Horizons act on climate change?
    Local body elections are coming up next month. And it looks like all Palmerston North candidates for Horizons (the Manawatu-Whanganui Regional Council) want to take action on climate change:Climate change is set to be a key issue in Palmerston North for the next three years if those wanting to get ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • BORA reform is stalled
    Eighteen months ago, the government promised to strengthen the Bill of Rights Act, by explicitly affirming the power of the courts to issue declarations of inconsistency and requiring Parliament to formally respond to them. So how's that going? I was curious, so I asked for all advice about the proposal. ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • Corbyn and Brexit
    As the Brexit saga staggers on, the focus is naturally enough on the Prime Minister and his attempts to achieve Brexit “do or die”. But the role played by the Leader of the Opposition is of almost equal interest and complexity. The first problem for Jeremy Corbyn is that he ...
    Bryan GouldBy Bryan Gould
    1 week ago
  • A ditch for him to die in
    Last week, English Prime Minister Boris Johnson boldly declared that he would rather die be dead in a ditch than delay Brexit. Unfortunately for him, the UK parliament accepted the challenge, and promptly dug one for him. The "rebellion bill" requires him to ask for and secure yet another temporary ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • Warning! Warning! Danger Jacinda Ardern! Danger Marama Davidson! Warning!
    Lost In Political Space: The most important takeaway from this latest Labour sexual assault scandal, which (if I may paraphrase Nixon’s White House counsel’s, John Dean’s, infamous description of Watergate) is “growing like a cancer” on the premiership, is the Labour Party organisation’s extraordinary professional paralysis in the face of ...
    1 week ago
  • Union solidarity with Ihumatao land occupation
    by Daphna Whitmore Every Sunday for the past two months unionists from First Union, with supporters from other unions, have set out to the Ihumatao land protest, put up gazebos and gas barbeques, and cooked food for a few hundred locals and supporters who have come from across the country. ...
    RedlineBy Daphna
    1 week ago
  • Climate Change: The wrong kind of trees?
    Newsroom today has an excellent, in-depth article on pine trees as carbon sinks. The TL;DR is that pine is really good at soaking up carbon, but people prefer far-less efficient native forests instead. Which is understandable, but there's two problems: firstly, we've pissed about so long on this problem that ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • No freedom of speech in Turkey
    Canan Kaftancioglu is a Turkish politician and member of the opposition Republican People's Party (CHP). Like most modern politicians, she tweets, and uses the platform to criticise the Turkish government. She has criticised them over the death of a 14-year-old boy who was hit by a tear gas grenade during ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • Speaker: Tadhg Stopford: Why I’m standing for the ADHB
    Hi there, just call me Tim.We face tough problems, and I’d like to help, because there are solutions.An Auckand District Health Board member has nominated me for as a candidate for the ADHB, because her MS-related pain and fatigue is reduced with hemp products from Rotorua.  Nothing else helped her. If I ...
    1 week ago
  • Good little vassals
    The Inspector-General of Intelligence and Security has published their report on whether the SIS and GCSB had any complicity in American torture. And its damning. The pull quote is this:The Inquiry found both agencies, but to a much greater degree, the NZSIS, received many intelligence reports obtained from detainees who, ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • Who Shall We Turn To When God, And Uncle Sam, Cease To Defend New Zealand?
    Bewhiskered Cassandra? Professor Hugh White’s chilling suggestion, advanced to select collections of academic, military and diplomatic Kiwi experts over the course of the past week, is that the assumptions upon which Australia and New Zealand have built their foreign affairs and defence policies for practically their entire histories – are ...
    1 week ago
  • The Politics of Opposition
    For most of the time I was a British MP, my party was out of government – these were the Thatcher years, when it was hard for anyone else to get a look-in. As a front-bencher and shadow minister, I became familiar with the strategies required in a parliamentary democracy ...
    Bryan GouldBy Bryan Gould
    1 week ago
  • More expert comments on the Canadian fluoride-IQ paper
    The Green et al (2019) fluoride/IQ is certainly controversial – as would be expected from its subject (see If at first you don’t succeed . . . statistical manipulation might help and Politics of science – making a silk purse out of a sow’s ear). Anti-fluoride campaigners have been actively promoting it ...
    1 week ago
  • The return to guerrilla war in Colombia
    by Gearóid Ó Loingsigh On August 29th a video in which veteran FARC (Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia) commander Iván Márquez announced that they had taken up arms again was released. There was no delay in the reaction to it, from longtime Liberal Party figure and former president Uribe, for ...
    RedlineBy Admin
    1 week ago
  • Air New Zealand identifies this enormous plot of unused land as possible second airport site
    Air New Zealand couldn’t believe its luck that this seemingly ideal piece of real estate had so far gone entirely unnoticed. Air New Zealand’s search for a site to build a second Auckland Airport may have made a breakthrough this afternoon, after employees scanning Google satellite imagery spotted a huge, ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    2 weeks ago
  • Redline on the Labour Party
    No-one on the anti-capitalist left in this country today puts forward a case that Labour is on the side of the working class.  There are certainly people who call themselves ‘socialist’ who do, but they are essentially liberals with vested interests in Labourism – often for career reasons. Nevertheless, there ...
    RedlineBy Admin
    2 weeks ago
  • New Fisk
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • Labour’s failure
    When National was in government and fucking over the poor for the benefit of the rich, foodbanks were a growth industry. And now Labour is in charge, nothing has changed: A huge demand for emergency food parcels means the Auckland City Mission is struggling to prepare for the impending arrival ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • Ardern attempts to vaccinate Clarke Gayford live on television to prove that it’s safe
    Gayford, pictured here on The Project, before things got wildly out of control. A bold public relations move by the Government to encourage parents to vaccinate their children has gone horribly wrong. Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern appeared on tonight’s episode of Three’s The Project, where the plan was for her ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    2 weeks ago
  • Has Mr. Whippy gone too far by parking on our front lawns?
    Mr. Whippy’s business model has driven it down a dark road of intimidation. Residents in major centres around the country are becoming disgruntled by the increasingly aggressive actions of purported ice cream company Mr. Whippy, who have taken to parking on people’s front lawns and doorsteps in a desperate attempt ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    2 weeks ago
  • Cleaning up the water
    Today the government released its Action Plan for Healthy Waterways, aimed at cleaning up our lakes and rivers. Its actually quite good. There will be protection for wetlands, better standards for swimming spots, a requirement for continuous improvement, and better standards for wastewater and stormwater. But most importantly, there's a ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • Fronting up
    Today I appeared before the Environment Committee to give an oral submission on the Zero Carbon Bill. Over 1,500 people have asked to appear in person, so they've divided into subcommittees and are off touring the country, giving people a five minute slot each. The other submitters were a mixed ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • Politics of science – making a silk purse out of a sow’s ear
    Anti-fluoride activists have some wealthy backers – they are erecting billboards misrepresenting the Canadian study on many New Zealand cities – and local authorities are ordering their removal because of their scaremongering. Many New Zealanders ...
    2 weeks ago

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