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Open Mike 13/07/2018

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  1. @jamespeshaw Yo fuckwit – Electric car bullshit. All NZ’s ‘low carbon’ electricity is being used NOW. To run a electric car in NZ = burning coal or real crappy oil. Unless you take the power from baby incubators or retirement homes, you are still burning fossil fuels … duh

    • Robert Guyton 1.1

      Or close an aluminium smelter…

      • Brigid 1.1.1


      • bwaghorn 1.1.2

        How are you going to replace the 1000+ jobs ?

        • Draco T Bastard

          Penal rates. Anything over 30 hours is double time and that applies to contractors as well.

          • Puckish Rogue

            Do you have a job going because if you do I’d definitely want to work for you

        • Naki man

          “How are you going to replace the 1000+ jobs ?”

          Your mates on the left live in a fantasy world where the loss of jobs doesn’t matter.

          • mauī

            Worked out ok for the West Coast. They have lost the timber industry and a lot of mining in recent decades. I guess they have been able to move to more sustainable industries?

      • soddenleaf 1.1.3

        Biogas? Biofuels? We have an infrastructure around gas, and oil, carbon zero targets will be met by switching away from non-renewables to biofuels. We don’t need no new sources, the carbon is in the atmosphere, just evolve some bacteria already…

        Nuclear is not a Green tech, except to the military.

        • corodale

          Bio algae perhaps. Relatively clean nuclear tech was developed, but they would rather burn the books, than risk the Arabs getting hold of something so good. The Uranium business model suits the babalonian bankers better.
          Did the Norwegians ever get the aurora producing electricity?
          Actually, battery tech is well on track, thus simple solar remains relevant.

    • dv 1.2

      Heard of sun and wind Robert?

      • Robert Guyton 1.2.1

        Heard of sheep and cows, dv; sun and wind, a glimpse and a whisper but neither will drive a fleet of vehicles such as that presently swarming across the face of the earth, Imo. Those energies should be put to much better use than driving the same kind of behaviour that is presently wrecking the place. In my opinion.

        • Blazer

          Its ‘flock’ of sheep and herd of cows..Robert.

          • Robert Guyton

            Well flock me, so it is! Too early in the morning and a pair of tiny grandchildren to juggle as I type, Blazer.

            • mauī

              Go on, put the grandies on for a bit and you can takeover drawing with crayon on the walls.

      • Gabby 1.2.2

        The wind it bloweth not ev’ry day deevee.

    • Robert Guyton 1.3

      Honestly, Robert Atack, if James Shaw broadcast your views as his own, he’d be out of a job in minutes and have zero influence over matters of climate change – he’d be a mug to do that. Softee softee catchee monkee, maybe.

  2. ianmac 2

    DOC has been destroyed by the previous Government. Corporate culture not good for the environment.
    (Nick Head, the 2013 winner of the prestigious Loder Cup for conservation, quit the department last month.)

    “Head’s view, which he believes is widely shared within the department, is that DOC became highly politicised because it was seen as an impediment to the previous Government’s economic growth agenda. Some DOC staff became afraid to speak out or take a strong line.

    Committed conservation workers, even if they’re highly regarded, are being pushed out, Head says, because they don’t fit the mould of the department’s new corporate ideals. “They make life so difficult for them, they either leave or they find reasons to force them out.”

    Newsroom from David Williams.

    • miravox 2.1

      In NAct corporate-speak: Objective achieved.
      Probably a ceo bonus on that KPI

      Hopefully it’s not too late for this government to have DOC back doing the job it was originally designed to do – advocate for conservation.

  3. marty mars 3

    If true, then these Icelandic whalers are scummier than dirty sump scum.


    No reason to keep killing whales – none!

    • corodale 3.1

      Would growing whale oil from cell culture be an option for paying back our foreign debt? Biotech has potential in NZ, we have the stainless steel skills and all that.

      • lprent 3.1.1

        Bad enough having whaleoil around trying to hack my server. Now you want to clone him? What for?

        However I believe that the whalers want to flog off the meat for eating.

        While I do detest Cam, I find that I have no taste for people eating him. I would defend his right not to be cloned and eventually excreted….


        All of which essentially says that your comment made no sense.

        • In Vino

          Unfair? It seems to me that I remember that in earlier days (before there was a filthy website of that name) whale oil in large quantities (as we nearly destroyed the species) was used in so many ways… where we now probably use petroleum-based products. Could Corodale be suggesting that if we can reproduce whale oil from cell culture the way the impossible burger meat is being made, we could then reduce our reliance upon petroleum?

          • lprent

            That doesn’t seem likely either. You don’t get any kind of energy from nothing At some point there was the accumulation of energy.

            And that includes the specialised case of time displaced oil, coal, and gas notwithstanding. In that case the energy just got trapped. For that matter it includes fission energy stored as a result of super nova fusion reactions. Or the residual energies from the big bang generating the fossilised energy we call matter.

            To clone and generate whale oil will require a source of energy or feedstock. In the oceans that was krill feeding off microscopic plant life who were accumulating energy from the sun. Now I fail to see a similar free feedstock for cloned whaledreck.

            Besides animal cells are colossally inefficient converters of the sun’s energy into stored energy. It’d be way better to excise the middleman and eliminate whaleoil. As the greens tend to say – lets go vegan

      • Stuart Munro 3.1.2

        There’s actual a glut of cetacean tissue on the market – Japan is finding it troublesome maintaining their industry.

  4. corodale 4

    and a B Hicks interview, not a canadian, a comedian

    very funny man

  5. Gabby 5

    Would beef hooks be more profitable cambodale? I have some but I couldn’t give one.

  6. SPC 6

    “They don’t like him. I don’t like him. He’s a buffoon of a man. But I’m telling you now: I’m getting driven more and more closer to this guy because of the behaviour of those who just want to undermine him at every step of the way.”
    Mark Richardson 2018

    This is why he was so close to the homeless, the poor, those unable to afford homes and the over worked nurses under the National government … oh wait

  7. Ad 7

    Great to see Minister Twyford’s Mangere redevelopment will build tonnes of good houses, and seek to keep the existing community intact.

    The housing development will be near Auckland Airport and within the route of the intended light rail line there.

    Mr Twyford outlined the project would take 10 to 15 years to complete, in which 2700 existing “worn-out” state housing will be replaced by the 10,000 new homes.

    Of these, 3000 will be new state houses, 3500 will be new KiwiBuild affordable homes, and 3500 will be homes for sale on the open market.

    Mr Twyford said the project will build 3000 more homes than planned when the Government came into office.

    The Housing Minister however was keen to assure his intention was not for the housing project to “gentrify” the Mangere area and community, and push the “rich and vibrant home for the Pacific diaspora” to the margins of the region.

    “It is very important to this Government that when we embark on this ambitious urban regeneration that we not only deliver warm dry homes, more housing, a beautiful built environment, neighbourhoods that people will be proud to live in,” Mr Twyford said.

    “It’s important to us that this process retains this community as a place of opportunity for families for generations to come.

    “It is not our policy to run a gentrification program that will simply see land values be pushed up, and families that have lived here for generations pushed out to the edge of town.”

    The first stage of the Mangere redevelopment is already underway, with 35 state houses being demolished to be replaced by 66 more state houses and 100 other homes, at least half of which will be KiwiBuild and affordable.

    “Building of the first new state houses will start in the next few months and are due to be finished mid-2019. The first KiwiBuild and affordable homes will be complete towards the end of 2019 and early 2020,” Mr Twyford said.


    Also good to see that he is purposefully integrating state housing with new public transport.

    It’s going to take a good few political terms, but this is what Auckland has needed for a long time.

    • JamieB 7.1

      “Mr Twyford outlined the project would take 10 to 15 years to complete, in which 2700 existing “worn-out” state housing will be replaced by the 10,000 new homes.”

      So looks like the existing residents will be kicked out to allow for this redevelopment, of which 7000 homes will be sold to private interests via Kiwibuild and the open market. Sound a bit like a war on the poor:

      Glen Innes ‘war zone’

      Will there be notices on this site promoting protests and sit ins to oppose these evictions?

      Sit-in Occupation to Stop Niki’s Eviction Tuesday 24th January

      Auckland: Stop Niki’s Eviction!

      • Tricledrown 7.1.1

        What ever only small numbers will be able to be built at a time.
        With light rail combining to provide a better standard of living.
        Warm dry efficient housing will help poor people save money on heating and health care!
        Also having a mixture of income levels will help build better communities.
        State houses concentrated in one area was a failed experiment!

      • Anne 7.1.2

        Will there be notices on this site promoting protests and sit ins to oppose these evictions?

        No, because Twyford has already said that the existing state house residents will be given priority when the 2,700 state houses/apartments become available. In the meantime they will be helped to find suitable accommodation.

        • JamieB

          How is that different from Niki Rauti? She was offered new home after new home in the same area.

          Also, Twyford says a lot of things.

  8. Puckish Rogue 8

    “Being the first ever woman to hold the Defence portfolio in NZ Parliament (from any party!)”

    Is this her official twitter account?

    • mauī 8.1

      To be honest it seems more like a Parliamentery Library error by supplying her the wrong information.

      • Puckish Rogue 8.1.1

        She couldn’t take the less than a minute to google it before sending something off that just happens to make her look good

        • mauī

          You would be silly to rely on google.

          • Puckish Rogue

            As silly as proclaiming yourself the first woman to hold the Defence portfolio in NZ Parliament (from any party!)”?

  9. Philj 9

    To hear what failure sounds like. Listen to Clare Curren on Mourning Report explain her back track. “Broadcasting Minister ‘absolutely committed’ to RNZ+” She has capitulated and kicked the can down the road. No TV channel, as promised.

    • SPC 9.1

      Capitulated to who, RNZ did not want to run one.

      They just wanted more funding for their online stuff, which they get, but it also meant there is money “for media” left over to allocate elsewhere.

      It’s now up to RNZ to ask for more resourcing for the work they do, whereas under National management appointees they were being run down to diminish the capability of RNZ to keep the public informed.

    • AsleepWhileWalking 9.2

      Good. We need internet access for all, not another channel that requires govt $.

  10. SPC 10

    On the AM show on TV3 McClay claimed the free first year of tertiary study cost $2.8B, when it is only $340M.

    Apparently a lie he got away with.


  11. logie97 11

    Who needs an enemy with a friend like this one.
    So Trump feels free to comment and advise on the makeup of another sovereign (apparently friendly) state’s government – even to the extent of changing its leadership.
    Now admittedly, it is just reported and of course the source is the Sun Newspaper – Murdoch’s domain.

    • Anne 11.1

      He’s doing it deliberately and he has an agenda of sorts. Hard to figure out what it might be… but my guess is his egomania has upped itself several notches and he now sees himself as the Western world’s greatest leader. He’s going to mould the West as he wants it, and he and Putin will run the whole world together.

      Crazy? Yeah. But they always say that truth is stranger than fiction.

      • joe90 11.1.1

        He’s doing it deliberately and he has an agenda of sorts,

        Or, he’s a buffoon with declining cognition.

        Trump, speaking at his news conference before leaving the summit, replied: “No, that’s other people that do that. I don’t. I’m very consistent. I’m a very stable genius.”

        But leaders who spent the first 18 months of Trump’s presidency thinking there might be a method to his chaos creation — and struggling to discern what it might be — now seem to have concluded that it’s just chaos, and that Trump himself may not understand what he’s doing.


  12. AsleepWhileWalking 12

    Another Work and Income incident with the same formulaic response.

    – we’re sorry for the way x feels
    – we try to get in right and do most if the time, but this time we got it wrong (actually we only hear a small fraction of the abuse via media, so let’s just say you get it wrong quite a bit and have plenty of practice ass covering your shameful selves)

    This time a case manager rudely turned away a pregnant woman sleeping in her car. There was emergency accommodation available.


  13. RedLogix 13

    Here’s one for Robert Guyton:

    Known as syntropic farming, it is a regenerative agricultural cropping method developed in Brazil that aims to mimic the way forest plants work symbiotically to grow in abundance.

    Jane Hawes and her husband Neil are among about 20 syntropic growers in Australia.

    They used to run a flower farm on their property at Tolga on Queensland’s Atherton Tablelands, but gave it away when their crops were wiped out by successive tropical cyclones Larry and Yasi.

    “We had lost quite a few million dollars and I was just gutted and I just went ‘I gotta do something better than this’,” Ms Hawes said.


    • Robert Guyton 13.1

      Thank you, RedLogix, I appreciate that. “…we lost quite a few million dollars…” – crikey!
      Syntropic is a new word for me but the ideas are not – my own forest garden is … syntropic 🙂 Isn’t “flower farm” a sad combination of words! In any case, it’s an interesting read and a finger-post to the future. Eucalyptus are interesting; their leaves are found in our fossil record: they used to grow here – who knew?? So long as they’re part of a poly-culture, they’re welcome, Imo.

      • RedLogix 13.1.1

        We visited one of my partner’s aunties in the Atherton area last year; it’s a fabulous area, tropical but elevated enough to avoid the oppressive heat of the coast. Did you know there were such things as ‘tree kangaroos’.

        • adam

          • RedLogix

            Very well done.

            Here in Austrlia mostly its aging middle class, latte sipping white wankers that give a fk’it about their furry buggers. The good news is they’re all slipping into irrelevancy and will die off soon …

        • Macro

          Did you know there were such things as ‘tree kangaroos’.

          Yep ! One of my favourite animals, and there are a few here at the Perth Zoo. We saw one on Tuesday this week feeding her baby. Aaaaaawwww awesome! Have a photo but have no way to up load here.
          Great to be able to see one in the wild.

  14. soddenleaf 14

    Most UK towns have a indoor council run market. Any new Hamilton center without a dedicated farmers market, central, linked to buses, ain’t worth the money, just another wasteful facelift. Bring Hamilton back to the middle ages from its pre-civilized past, where big clans corps forced the center city to die.

    • miravox 14.1

      The news item reads quite well laying out a strategy, I thought. I guess the detail for markets etc. will come with the public submissions. The ’20-minute neighbourhood experience’ sounds about right for inner-city living. I hope people get on board with this, it’s beyond time that Hamilton’s CBD is enlivened.

      I hope New Plymouth pays attention because, much like Hamilton, its city centre also needs to be reduced and enlivened, (and imo a fair bit of traffic-calming and development of the non-motorised traffic space between downtown and Fitzroy Beach needs to be sorted as well).

  15. eco maori 15

    I have worked out the NZ pension fund owned Z Gas stations have breaches in the internet security . How was this company formed well national got the pension fund to buy shell and bp gas station NZ chains . What happened shonky and dilo use this to harvest all the data they could to minuplate the voters opinion .
    How did I get this conclusion .
    1 peter thiel is shonkys m8
    2 What better way to cover there tracks that to build a back door into Z Gas stations data than no one can be held accountable for the breach
    3 Thats the way neo liberal behave all over Papatuanuku links below.


    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/jul/13/anonymous-browsing-data-medical-records-identity-privacy Ana to kai Ka kite ano

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