Me, offended? Not at all, and clearly not as peed off as you are by the millions of hard, working class folk. Ah Mc’Cain, you’ve done it again. lol
Just remember that slogan politics is the intellectual equivalent of paint by numbers.
And to read below, despite all your bellicose angst you’re not even voting to change the nat government, well, colour me proved correct, Mr Chips.
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[I don’t want to have to waste my time reading through this to moderate, so here’s a warning for both other you. 1. don’t do this personal shit on authored posts, if you really have to get into a beef, take it to Open Mike. 2. read the Policy about pointless personal attacks, tone, and flamewars, and pull your heads on. You both have the ability to make political arguments, so please head back that way weka]
That’s it, mate, steer the issue of you shouting the odds about the government even though you won’t be voting, and away from you insulting people by calling them middle class because they will vote for labour and/or the greens.
You’ve been outed as a blow hard, which is ironic, as lefties who won’t vote the nats out, despite whining on and on about the unfairness of it all, despite having the democratic option to do so, just totally suck. You blow and suck at the same time. lol.
Come back when you’ve stopped stomping your feet and holding your breath, and are ready to do your bit in real life to improve the lives and conditions of the poorest in our society and the hard out working classes.
Until then, wank on, web warrior.
“You lie so often Union city greens, ever thought of a job for national?
It would seem that what you are good at, lies, and assumptions.
What do you do to help? Do you do anything? Beyond the election, anything?”
I’m not even going to bother asking you to cite my lies, even though I know there are none, even though it could lead to you getting warned for it. All I will say is there are no lies coming from me.
Let me explain it clearly for you.
It was stated from another poster you don’t intend to vote. You didn’t deny it. True.
You not voting to change the government directly affects the lives of poorest amongst us in the most negative of ways. True.
You make insults by calling people middle class. True.
The middle class and top earners who will vote to change the government for the benefit of those less fortunate are doing more to improve the well being of children in poverty and the homeless by casting their votes for labour and/or the greens than you are. True.
You don’t have a leg to stand on. True.
As a hard working, poor, working class man, instead of castigating the people you are, like Lprent, who I (rightly or wrongly) perceive as being middle class, who in his early vote thread did his part for the left, I thank them for voting with their social conscience. True.
You’re all fur coat and no knickers. All mouth and no trousers. The worst kind of lefty. True.
If lefty is you mate, then I’m glad I’m no lefty like you.
As for your lies, well I pointed one out, here another.
“insulting people by calling them middle class because they will vote for labour and/or the greens.” that is a lie. I attacked the sanctimonious and condescension of a middle class labour party hack who lied again.
You took my comments personally, and for some reason keep adding the greens, which is quite frankly odd. No wait, add it to your lies.
I’m not your type of lefty, and thank God for that. I don’t think I could live with that much self denial and smug wankery.
You’re all over the place, except in the polling booth, voting out this national government… Where any lefty should be.
Angry Adam, for the working class, poor and vulnerable of NZ.
I can put up with you lying about me, but If you don’t vote labour and/or the greens, you’re an even bigger wanker than you appear.
It’s been over 36 hours since the TV3 poll, fronted by a 12 year old, with the ‘unbelievable’ results and I’ve run the gambit of emotions – from despair to anger and many stations in between.
First, as Martyn Bradbury says on TDB – if 47% of NZers think like National, what does that say of us as a nation?
Second, the left trend was positive for weeks, so how come such a dramatic reversal?
So . . . my conclusion – we’ve been conned – that poll was DIRTY POLITICS 2.0.
I don’t know how they did it, but I just ‘know’ they did! I can feel it in my bones!
And that makes me very angry – such a blatant, cynical and malicious manipulation of our political process!
I suspect its easier for Labour (given they’ve had 9 years in opposition) to come up with some ideas on taxes and be able to present those ideas then it is for Lotto to give out the winning numbers
Strange I remember National promising not to raise GST in 2008 and then running a tax working group that resulted in them raising GST.
You are trying to make something out of nothing. The media are more than happy to jump on the band wagon. Labour are going to get the help of experts to come up with a good plan. Holy shit what a radical idea. Next you will be moaning that they listen to engineers before they decide what Bridges they can and can’t build up north.
I admire your optimism.
The way the Labour Party are going I think picking the winning Lotto numbers is much more likely to happen than getting an agreed policy out of that rabble.
At least when National were defeated in 1999 they settled down and got organised by about Christmas, 2003. It took them about 4 years.
Labour has spent 9 years and are no better off than they were when everything collapsed for them in 2008.
It feels as the Labour Party are the cast of Groundhog Day.
And how is your optimism after the Colmar-Brunton poll on TV1 tonight, Alwyn ? No doubt you will find it less credible, but I suggest that the TV3 poll was indeed utter junk. It bucked the trend, which is now obvious.
Or maybe the honeymoon period is over and people would actually like to know what taxes are coming before they vote for a party
They didn’t in 2008 but they do now? Why would that be? Surely it can’t be because they’re being bullshitted by right-wing propagandists, because that would never happen, right?
> So . . . my conclusion – we’ve been conned – that poll was DIRTY POLITICS 2.0.
> I don’t know how they did it, but I just ‘know’ they did! I can feel it in my bones!
Not so very delusional at all. In fact, easily done:
A high ranking National minister with a fiscal hole rings the boss of the company he once owned, quietly suggesting the next poll should favour the ruling party. No trace or paper trail.
Te boss of the company once owned by the fiscal hole suggests some new methodology to the polling company – such as asking negative questions about Labour and the Greens, and only polling blue electorates. Again, no real evidence.
Get a 12 year old FW to breathlessly announce the findings – and it’s done!
Easy as!
Gullible people, seeing the Greens below 5%, switch their party votes to Labour – and the desired outcome is achieved.
I don’t think any individual polls are that useful (try reading the linked posts) and that we should be looking at trends and analysis of those by people who have some skills in that.
I also think it’s dangerous that we have a MSM intent on influencing voting, esp given advance voting. I’ve also said in the past that the value of individual polls is how they might help campaigning. So of course the left is going to down play bad ones and up play good ones, but it’s still bullshit. I’m all for changing that system, in the meantime we need good analysis of the whole situation.
This was a gigged poll, – it was done by Steven Joyce as he has immense control over all media as he is a share holder or board director of mediaworks. TV3 ilk.
So this was his deliberate retaliation to being ‘stomped all over with his $11 billion dollar hole allegation made against Labour that was his silly fuck up, and he needed to get that monkey off his back.
This was his way of diverting the glare off his fuck up.
Can he control the next two polls coming up? We shall see.
Yes I enjoyed that and i am so astonished most can’t see the forest for the trees!!
Hope all our efforts wake them up to vote the right way after nine yrs of slash and burn, our grand kids will have no future if we dont rid these carpertbaggers from our shores now.
“This was a gigged poll, – it was done by Steven Joyce as he has immense control over all media as he is a share holder or board director of mediaworks. TV3 ilk.”
I did suspect this, because the result of the TV Reid poll didn’t seems to be in sync with recent polling trends which glaringly stood out, but wasn’t quite sure if Joyce still had interests other than contacts in Mediaworks.
So the likelihood of Joyce using his powerful media business influence to manipulate the TV3 Reid poll, in a dirty attempt to maintain his rotten political empire, is a possibility? If this is the case, resorting to gutter tactics influencing a poll result favourable to one particular political party, goes right down to National’s dark, corrupt core! Just proves then that Joyce is indeed a master of the dark art of political manipulation and should be nowhere near government!
Have you ever considered writing a sequel to the Harry Potter books?
Your imagination would certainly be up to it, given what you manage to claim about Stephen Joyce.
He sold out completely and left the company Radioworks, which he had founded, when it was bought by Canwest in 2001. That is 16 years during which he has had nothing to do with the business. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steven_Joyce
You really shouldn’t believe everything you read on the Standard you know.
The payment for broadcasting licences was changed so that the licence for the whole period, 21 years if I remember, had to be paid in one go, at the beginning, rather than on an annual basis.
Rather like if you rented a house for a 21 year term and had to pay the entire rental amount, for the whole time, before you could move in.
They were given the option of paying it in chunks, with a very high interest rate of over 10% being levied on the unpaid balance.
ALL licence holders could do this I don’t remember how many took it up.
It wasn’t anything like what various ignorant idiots may have told you and you shouldn’t really believe everything you are told.
ps I can’t guarantee the 21 years or the 10%. If you really feel you want to know the truth you can easily find it.
I’ll bet you don’t though.
The first thing I decline to believe on the Standard is trolling rubbish from Right Wingers like Alwyn. With the benefit of the hindsight Alwyn has probably gained if he watched TV1 News this evening, Alwyn may regret some of the bumph he has contributed today.
The connection between your comment and the one you are replying to is not apparent.
Do you reply to comments or does my name work on you like a red rag to a bull?
‘The Dairy propaganda adverts on TV are hilarious. So terrified are Fonterra that the rest of the country is getting sick to death of them stealing and polluting our water, they are desperately pumping these farcical adverts out to try and distract Kiwis from the wholesale abuse of their industry.
Richie McCaw wanders around a Farm in the early morning and marvels at the pristine goodness of these human beings as if Jesus himself had personally popped down to the milking shed to milk a herd before feeding 5000 with a block of cheese.
Indeed the most recent advert actually goes as incredibly far as suggesting milk is some kind of miracle drug that can help paralysed teenagers walk again.
‘So, what happens if you do question farmers on any environmental issue? Take water quality. Simple. It’s a rapid result – and a predictable one. You are labelled “anti-farming”. That’s it. Black and white. A slam dunk. End of discussion.
And that’s the point, of course. Nothing shuts down dialogue faster than a label. Except it doesn’t work on me – given my farming background, and it no longer really flies with your average non-farming New Zealander either.
For nine years we’ve all watched the waterways go rapidly downhill, and the rhetoric from industry push the proverbial uphill, and our patience has run out. The public have reached peak bulls*** detection and are well and truly over farmers’ “beyond criticism” status. Now, they’re also about to decide farmers’ future through this quaint mechanism called democracy.
That future looks like a bit of a correction. They will be forced, under a new government, to pay for a fraction of their pollution via a water royalty, and pay for a contribution to their massive carbon footprint via the Emissions Trading Scheme. Oh, lord. Give them strength.
Instead of hearing what the public wants – that is, clean water, fewer cows, no more dairy conversions, and an end to irrigation schemes – they choose to put their energy into flailing and fighting the inevitable. Stuffed full of false promises from their industry leaders, and their National buddies, they thrash about like dying fish at the bottom of a polluted, dried-out riverbed. It’s ugly to watch.
The interminable Fonterra adverts, DairyNZ taking Greenpeace to the Advertising Standards Authority (and losing) over their TV ad, cockies drinking from streams as if that proves anything other than low IQ, Federated Farmers blaming trout and Canada geese for water pollution. The list is long and has only served to harden the heart of even the kindest, most patient voter.
Watch closely for the next phase of the campaign. You will see National delivering a full-on offensive designed to fire up the farming base, and get the electorate to feel deep sympathy for the farmers’ plight……’
Yes time these historical rent seekers coughed up, scaled back and served NZ wider interests. Non dairy farmers aren’t that enamoured with them either.
Instead of their sacred dairy cow broken model which passed the point of diminishing returns decades ago at the expense of our environment.
Fonterra are the worst run organisation in NZ, there’s a better future for dairy farmers without this top heavy bloated crony empire, much better. Look at the returns better run aggregators generate like Tatua etc.
Well, I watched it. Not surprising that they’d tell this story – the contents of milk get used for all kinds of things other than filling milk bottles, which some people may not be aware of. Do you dispute the story in some way?
This Fonterra ad is just so wrong. The opposite is true, dairy consumption is actually a contributing factor to disabling diseases such as Multiple Sclerosis and Parkinsons.
You seem to misunderstand the words “true” and “actually.” Lactose tolerance was one of the fastest-spreading adaptations known to those studying human evolution, exactly because of dairy food’s advantages.
There was an article a few weeks ago showing that milk intolerance may be greater than previously thought. It’s not just lactose intolerance either.
For the first time, scientists have shown that dairy intolerance is a physiological condition distinct from lactose intolerance, and not “all in people’s heads”.
“Lots of people suspect that they have some intolerance to dairy foods, but testing shows they aren’t lactose intolerant,” says Dr Amber Milan, a research fellow at the Liggins Institute, University of Auckland, New Zealand. “Before this study, there had not been any detailed analysis of dairy intolerance to see if something else could be causing it.
“Our findings show dairy intolerance is a ‘real thing’ with a particular symptom profile – not something that’s just in people’s heads. That means sufferers and doctors can better identify it. Now, we need to find out more about what’s going on and how to measure it better.”
Still need a citation on her accusations that milk causes disabling diseases though.
“Overshadowed by an American hurricane, the news of the South Asian flooding has emerged slowly. Even in Dhaka, the English-language newspapers carried events in Houston on their front pages. But these are the worst floods in a century.”
And on top of that Bangladesh is struggling to cope with an influx of some 370,000 Rohingya refugees from Burma.
Joyce knew what he was doing. It was cynical and targetted.
He knows many peoples no.1 concern is the economy .
He also knows tgat in 2014 and 2015 National while governing left exactly such a small amount of wiggle room and the sky didnt fall. But that bit is left out. Economy is all English has.
Further to the Dr. Yang saga – a close friend who is from China – but is not Chinese, told me it is very difficult, if not impossible for police officers and high ranking military to get passports and/or permission to leave the country.
Which begs the question – how did Dr. Yang get out? With official connivance?
A National MP who taught English to Chinese spies didn’t declare the names of the military institutions where that happened to New Zealand authorities.
Jian Yang told the Herald he didn’t name the Air Force Engineering University or Luoyang People’s Liberation Army University of Foreign Languages when making the applications that led to New Zealand citizenship, which he was granted in 2004.
He instead gave the names of two Chinese universities for civilians that had “partnership” status with the military institutions where he taught intelligence agency cadets as an English lecturer.
Asked if he made a false declaration on his citizenship application, Yang said giving the name of “partnership” universities instead of the institutes he actually worked and studied at was not a false declaration and was required if he was to leave China.
“It is not a false declaration. When I left China I was asked by the system to use my partnership universities. That is why I used those universities in applying for jobs, even [at] the University of Auckland.
But it’s not, you know, lying despite it not being true.
Tony Veitch (not etc) @ (6) … yes there needs to be some serious questioning re Jian Yang’s position, both in China and here.
An allegation of a possible foreign infiltration of our government, by a Chinese agent serving as a National MP and it seems this issue has all but disappeared altogether from msm! Almost shut down completely!
However should it have involved Labour or the Greens … media would have been all over this one like a pack of blood thirsty baying hounds! Look at what msm did to Metiria Turei in comparison!
I can see my children in the same role as I am now in 25 years being grandparents and when one becomes a grandparent that is a paradigm shift because you are wiser and more observant. You worry about there future and the world future and take more notice on what’s going on in our WORLD.
So in my view on reality we live for ever in our children I see parts of me in my grandchildren.
So we cannot keep shitting on there future we have to plan and mitigate for climate change so our grandchildren will have a future.
Not just live for the now one can not eat or drink money when a disaster strikes and again it’s is a when not a if .So I say let’s part with some money so our grandchildren can have a future so our WORLD can have a future.
I say that the Western WORLD have obligation to help our third world cousin mitigate against climate change.
Again spend now to save billions in the future billions of lives WE ARE ONE RACE THE HUMAN RACE AND WE CAN BE A BEAUTIFUL CAREING RACE we need to act now so our grandchildren have a future.
To MSM we are fighting the neo liberals not you people Kai pai
Hi, weka. Just spoke with Dave (long discussion, lots to talk about 🙂 and he says he’s more than happy for you to put his article up here. He also told me that the southern greens have an election night celebration planned at the craft brewery in Invercargill – looking forward to that! Metiria’s coming down soon, to speak at a “poverty” debate – it’ll be great to catch up with her.
I heard Paul Buchanan overnight talking about Jian Yang. He said things you’d expect.
You plant operatives who fit in. They get involved in life wherever and (my words), become part of the wallpaper.
What could be more part of the wallpaper than the life Dr Yang has? I’m not saying there is anything untoward about Dr Yang. I’ve heard him say there’s nothing untoward. He’s in a situation a bit like in the Monty Python movie, the , “I am not Jesus Christ” scene. What did we expect to hear from him?
That’s how the espionage world works. That’s how suspicion works. More furtive and sinister though, is that’s how politics and NZ elections work. And you can bet a $100,000 bottle of wine from an Asian gentleman on that.
It’s focused on the way the Chinese government operates in contrast to “the best” of liberal democracies. But, of course, 5 Eyes ain’t all that transparent and innocent. The article begins with:
Openness, diversity and tolerance are the greatest strengths of the world’s liberal democracies. But to autocratic regimes like China, these same attributes are vulnerabilities ripe for exploitation.
And ends with:
But liberal open democracies are more fragile than most people believe, and without the courage to face up to the potential threat posed by illiberal countries and their subversion efforts, we are all contributing to the erosion of what makes these systems so great.
The plot thickens, I see in the Herald that Todd Barclay is leaving for work in England. So look at things like this, Dr Yang trains toddy up in the Dipton office in the art of spying. Todd spies and is caught out by office girl, Bill jacks him up a job in London–MI5 or similar, and tells office girl todd is going to England.–via text. The deep south hides its sins, have we a contact among correspondents keeping an eagle eye open, up dates welcome.
isn’t Barclay still being investigated by the police? how is it that he’s being allowed to skip the country, seems to me that either the fix is already in, or he’s leaving one step ahead of the law
i despise the highly paid members of the media like Guyon Espiner who make it their job to pimp for the Tories and turn a democratic election into a Showground attraction.
Words fail me.
We need a better and more democratic media.
I have again switched RNZ off.
100% Ed Guyon Espiner apears to be a national party plant now as Suzie Ferguson is and Kath Ryan all inside RNZ!! RNZ now is controlled by Steven Joyce as his propaganda spin machine.
This is corruption using our public funded RNZ now.
Hate to say it, but we actually have no fuckn idea which side of the political spectrum Guyon and Suzie lay/lie. You could actually be very! surprised.
The most you can accuse them of is being in a comfy little bubble with the ability to sympathise, but not empathise with those beneath.
But then again …. I just heard a RNZ sports reporter use the word “learnings”
+100 Ben….the Herald rolls out the ex-ACT leader neo-liberal dinosaur to slag Labour off and this is news?
Meanwhile Guyon Espiner just destroyed Winston on Morning Report. Why anybody would vote NZF after that I don’t know.
It has been noticeable recently that Winston has lost some of his sharpness; he tried to cover this by telling Espiner continuously that he didn’t know what he was doing as an interviewer.
Party Vote Green. Hayley was good on Backbenches last night. Willie Jackson was good too and will be an asset to parliament-we need characters with humour that have their hearts in the right place.
BG. I thought Guyon was a prat this morning with Winston. He let that “gotcha” stupidity override everything and wouldn’t let Winston even take a breath without interrupting. His behaviour is what is wrong and that is not good enough for RNZ.
Party vote Green.
We laid a complaint over Espiner’s lack of fairness and balance in his ‘presentation’ it was the worst I have even seen of him. he is a disgrace to us all.
When National’s leader Engish is interveiwed Guyon will be as nice as pie, believe me.
He wont ask any hard questions of that leader you can bet like wat have you signed us up to in any free trade can you release this to us all now?
Another question Guyon should have asked english was ‘are you going to sell off ant other public assets or turn them into PPP’s?.
he will not be alolowed to ask them as he is cached by Joyce what to ask.
here is my complaint to RNZ today.
Subject: complaint to RNZ morning report leaders debate 14/9/17 INTERVIWS WITH GUYON ESPINER. 14/9/17. unfair unbalanced interview compared to other leaders interviews
Importance: High
Listening to RNZ this morning Morning report 14/9/17 with Guyon Espiner & Suzie Ferguson was such a totally botched sad show of a very low quality coverage of interviewing Winston Peters as the NZ First leader.
As Espiner did not give a similar space and time for Winston to talk and explain his policies before Espiner chipped in completely destroying the flow of detailed information we as listeners needed to hear.
We should not be subjected to Guyon’s own views or Suzie’s dismissive responses but we do not have a ‘fair & balanced’ media any more within our flagship public radio platform.
I hope when Labour/NZ First begin the new media platform we will see an end of these low quality radio presenters and produce informative quality presenters with core values of presenting fair & balanced media presentations.
Shameful show from Espiner & Ferguson I would remove them both if I could.
Bearded Git @ (11.1) … Although I’m not a NZF voter, in some respects I feel sorry for Winston, because it seems now his age is beginning to show. He definitely doesn’t seem to be as sharp as he once was, which incidentally wasn’t that long ago. He’s coming across at this election as a fading light.
I’m of the same generation as Winston and sometimes it takes a little bit of effort to get the old grey matter into gear and responses are not as quick as they used to be, with some of us, because we are beginning to “wear out.” This could be the case with Winston.
With Winston when he’s finding interviews not going his way and he realises he is not quite on top of his game when faced with a challenging interviewer, to make up for this, in typical Muldoon style, Winston lashes out at the interviewers, which doesn’t do him any favours at all. In fact it makes him look foolish. Besides that, it isn’t a good look for NZF either.
To be honest, I’m finding his utterances and secrets are becoming tiresome and annoying, because they more often than not amount to nothing.
In my honest opinion, I think Winston should have bowed out at this election with some dignity and handed the reins over to someone younger in NZF, who is able to keep up with the play, appeal to the younger generation and rejuvenate the party. Or to quote the wonderful Fred Dagg “… kick her (NZF) in the guts Trev.” Because at present, NZF’s image is that of an old person’s political party, which it doesn’t have to be!
Agreed mary-a. I am 71 yrs old, I well remember Muldoon’s decline. This is similar. Not Winston’s fault – I always saw him as Muldoon’s heir, the only one with a similar gift. (Not that I liked either of them.) But now he is fading.
It happens to all of us – I ought to know….
Yes that stinks, no way is that “news” no way should it be headlined , and where is the promoters statement, they really abuseing their “news” outlet status there
11 Ben, this is the next attack mode. To belittle her. To frame her as a backstabber
Jacinda is being shown as stressed and not coping with pressure through slanted reporting,
Stuff has an article in which they mention a confrontation from a grey power audience heckler regarding the TPPA.
They failed to mention the sustained standing ovation she received on entering the hall. The love and warmth shown by Jacinda and others during and after the meeting.
This is deliberate.
A wounded National is a dangerous beast.
Kia kaha. Stay strong, vote Red/Green or Green/Red.
There is a Nelson Mail report of the Grey Power meeting.
“An estimated 450 people turned out to hear Jacinda Ardern deliver a speech to Grey Power Nelson on Wednesday as part of the Labour leader’s whistlestop tour of the city.
Extra seats had to be brought in for the meeting at Annesbrook Church in Stoke, with the crowd by far the biggest of a series of Grey Power meetings with political leaders on the campaign trail in Nelson.
Last month 260 people turned out for the Prime Minister, National leader Bill English, and 220 for NZ First leader Winston Peters.
Loud cheers and whooping greeted Ardern as she entered the church.
Unlike the previous two events, the crowd was not all grey heads.”
In Blenheim, in 1999, Helen Clark had a similar turnout- a packed church, standing room only, and school boys attending. I don’t recall whoops, though.
It was Grahame O’Brien and he was all over the show yesterday, relentless, police kept an eye on him, he was the one who posted the pro nat poem on all the cars, police were informed it was him.
It was a real wtf moment, him of all people being anti left, I was like dang, what are you doing dude?
Steven Joyce has now got his mates in the Landlords Assn to spread more fear about a Labour Government causing rents to rise by taking away their ability for negative gearing. How long before he resurrects the dancing Cossacks?
Nationals whole campaign is dancing cossacks….they have abandoned any pretence of honesty and are shamelessly appealing directly to fear and greed….it’ll only work if turnout is low.
It’s very defensive, and defending a long way back in National’s own territory. And some of National’s supporters have a lot to defend, a change of government could put some of them in rather reduced circumstances.
That change of government could also put a lot more people in much better circumstances. I think tonight’s CB poll bears this out.
As for dancing cossacks, I’m waiting for dancing pandas, little blue ones, to make an appearance…..
And the smugness with which some of their supporters embrace this behaviour makes me worry for NZ. What kind of kids are we all raising when this behaviour is revered and rewarded… except when poor brown people behave this way… then there is outrage
True Janice….and Susie Ferguson was completely useless as usual on Morning Report, failing to ask WHY rental prices will go up. She simply accepted the statement.
The question should have been “but Labour is promising to build 100,000 state houses on top of those being built by private enterprise; won’t this cause rents to come down?”
Propagandist Steven Joyce would never allow Kim Hill back until after the election as he has shut down any critics or free speech as he will not allow it while in his attack mode, he must be banished he is a powerful dictator now.
Is not the $2.3Billion accomodation supplement not enough corporate welfare?
IMO should a landlord be a net recipient of this, then their property should comply to certain govt standards, and dept of social welfare should have a list of properties that comply and over time move remnants not into these properties. I know easier said than done
Prebble’s “Jacinda tidal wave has gone out” is an appallingly selected metaphor.
A tidal wave (tsunami) that has gone out draws back from the shore so far that where there was water before nothing remains. 37.8 % is hardly nothing, nor is running neck and neck with the PM “nothing”.
These emotive ‘good sounding’ headlines epitomize the endless layers of calculated spin we are prey to.
lol…what happens when a tidal wave approaches the shore?….the water level drops as the approaching wave draws it to itself just before it inundates the shore in a massive wall of water…..watch out National, you’re busy inspecting the exposed foreshore and are about to be swamped .
It baffles me how Bill English can call himself ‘Christian’ when he lives his life as anything but in my opinion. His lies over Todd Barclay and support of Steven Joyce’s venomous behaviour are appalling. Dirty politics and National are one and the same.
As for Prebble slithering out of the slime – I just hope there are enough people who can see him for what he is. How does the Herald get away with this? Likewise Vernon Small in the Dominion Post has an anti Labour article today. Fair enough if there was also an examination of National as well.
Going to church doesn’t make you a Christian any more than standing in a garage makes you a car.
Very few self claimed Christians actually model their lives on the teachings of JC, right wing Christians being prime examples.
“RNZ has heard a secret recording Danny made of a conversation with his former employer where they talk about the scam.
His lawyer said they went to Immigration New Zealand (INZ) to lay a complaint and offered the recording as evidence of Danny’s exploitation, but authorities wouldn’t investigate and told them complainants should come forward at the first instance of exploitation.
The lawyer argued that if that was the case, there would almost never be a case taken. “And another thing I think they said is whether or not he has clean hands. Again, if you have been part of or party to a migrant exploitation situation it’s highly unlikely that one would ever have clean hands.”
In a statement, Immigration New Zealand said the initial complaint did not meet the threshold for investigation, but it did refer it to the Labour Inspectorate. It said the fact that Danny “admitted being complicit in the original arrangements was relevant to INZ’s initial assessment”.
I’m pretty sure that the person admitting being complicit in the scam brings it up to a threshold where an investigation is warranted and the police involved. It doesn’t stop it meeting that threshold.
So under the bellicose banner of “Landlords First !” a gang of anti-social greedies threaten havoc. Well bring it on. ‘Master of the Universe’ terrorists puffingly expressing the mantra “Democracy is Mine !” are beneath contempt. When bottom-line fixation comes down to waging class warfare things get very ‘personal’. Expect very ‘personal’ accountability. He Tangata He Tangata He Tangata !
I frequently spend weekend time in South Auckland. The sight of rentiers and their proxies scuttling around the area in their aspirational decade-old BMWs, Merc’s and Audis, aluminium ladders atop, DIY toolkits in the boot…….they absolutely turn my guts. Their obvious fish-out-of-water discomfort, their incapacity to meet eyes, evidences their feasting on the lives of others’ grandchildren as they scheme the enhancement of the lives of their own. As sick making as the Herald with its routine celebration of this “righteous entrepreneurialism” in its Monday morning headlines. Parading yesterday man Mad Dog Prebble is a new low.
Yep the prebbs trained and unleashed by labour and then turning on his master and biting the shit out of them since then. Where is the spca and why haven’t they done something about this dangerous animal.
An article usefully clarifying the term ‘Identity Politics’, reminding us of the original meaning, and why it should be reclaimed as a radical critique, not the straw man for used by white male paleoleftists such as Trotter to suppress the struggles of people who aren’t straight white men with moustaches.
Lilla’s spin on this statement would make identity politics sound like a selfish political theory. But his bad interpretation is not the same as a bad theory. When the collective writes that the “most radical politics come directly out of our own identity,” Lilla reads this as applying to each individual group’s identity when the Combahee River Collective meant “our own” to apply specifically to black women. It is a result of their belief, as they write later in the statement, that, “If Black women were free, it would mean that everyone else would have to be free since our freedom would necessitate the destruction of all the systems of oppression.” The original intent of identity politics was articulating black women’s struggle at the nexus of race, gender, sexual, and class oppressions, and then forming strategies for dismantling each of these, both in black feminist spaces and in coalition with other groups.
Ask everyone what rights they think they should have. Questions such as:
1. Should you have the right to marry? Y/N
2. Should you have the right to do as you wish? Y/N
3. Should you have the right not to be affected by other peoples actions? Y/N
etcetera.
Get the questions right and we’ll end up with a very good BORA – and ACT would be out of options as ‘property rights’ wouldn’t survive.
So many abstract nouns. So very very many. Trotsker’s a man of words. Big round comfortable words. Then there’s that crap about paleoleftists whatever the fuck they are.
Paleoleftist – someone for whom it is always 1916, still in the Industrial revolution, on the eve of the revolution. Someone who likes big round comfortable words because they’re big, round and comfortable. A white male heterosexual assimilationist who assumes that his own type is the norm and all radical or revolutionary endeavours must support his own needs and all struggles must be subsumed into his own because he cannot comprehend another person’s experience and will not listen. In other words, meet the new boss, same as the old boss.
With confessions mentioned earlier in the post, 3/4s of what you have listed resonates.
Apart from comfortable, and I am not a hundy on what assimilationist is.
Upon rereading, I reckon I am a good listener with plenty of empathy.
The TRUTH about the Tamaki ‘Regeneration’ – GENTRIFICATION $CAM!
“Penny Bright has been shining a light into the murky recesses of public/private partnerships in the Tamaki Regeneration scheme and revealed some disturbing details…”
Authorised by Penny Bright
2017 Independent candidate for Tamaki, 86A School Rd, Kingsland, Auckland 1021.
He expected about 100 young farmers to benefit from the programme. Not all of Landcorp’s 140 farms will be sold, he said.
“Many are subject to Treaty claims and others have a right-of-first-refusal for iwi. Some of Landcorp’s larger farms will be divided into smaller units.”
National said it expected it to take more than a decade to complete the sale and settlement process for the farms. Any revenue generated will be reinvested in public services.
Jericho Station, Landcorp farm near Te Anau, is to be sold to a Chinese buyer who lives “elsewhere”. An essentially equivalent bid for Jericho Station from a New Zealand buyer was declined.
So let me get this right, intensive dairying is ruining our environment and running down our number one export (tourism), yet national want more farms? WTF
Yep. They are doubling down on the lack of vision. Selling publicly owned land to private individuals while encouraging dairy expansion on unsuitable land thereby exacerbating damage to waterways and the tourism industry.
so currently many farmers pay less tax than the average working person, and they are using tax payer owned land to make their profits from.
They’ve had subsidies for mass irrigation, which is only needed due to the changing climate, environment as well as the greed of intensive dairy farming.
And now they are being offered the land which is currently owned by the people of NZ to buy (probably dirt cheap) to continue this practise. Rather than be given the skills/training to diversify and change, after being aware of (due to technology) just how damaging and destructive intensive dairying is to the planet we live on.
Far out, it’s just unreal. But climate change is real. One would think that having a business that relies on the climate/environment in order to profit, that one would be bending over backwards to protect the environment from which the profit depends.
How about a bit of free tertiary education for the farmers on the changing environment and diversification.
My Grandpop was a farmer, he loved animals so much, loved the land and the river from which their water came. Seems like SOME farmers today love the money/profit above everything else. Yup I’m more than a little bit fucked off about the news today.
Can Robertson please tell Joyce that the PM ran two zero budgets which is what Joyces accusation boils down too. Another thing Mr Joyce doesnt understand about economics and the economy
Should be a goodie, and would be good if Grant pointed out just why Joyce doesnt understand economics… ie Joyces unfinished/failed economics papers when he went to uni.
Haven’t seen a link yet Trace for the debate will post as soon as I do 😀
Australia blocks access to TAB betting accounts
From Morning Report, 8:40 am today
Listen duration 4′ :43″
The TAB’s been caught on the back foot by a surprise Australian law change that means no one in Australia can place bets in New Zealand. John Allen is the chief executive of the Racing Board, which runs the TAB.
Somehow reminds me of the song ‘Everything’s Up to date in Kansas City – They’ve gone about as far as they can go.’ (We are Kansas City, had our brief moment in time as a first world, brave little country footing it in the machine age out of the agricultural field, now back again, and Oz recognises that they can take potshots at us, no missiles needed.)
(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2T0G2UNv0fM
This claim from National that farmers could face a $50,000 cost increase from Labour’s water tax sounds a bit sus to me. On the face of it, it sounds like an awfully big and scary number (it’s purpose), but at a cost @2-3 cents/cubic metre the farmer would have to be drawing off around 3 million cubic metres of water each year to receive a $50,000 water-use charge.
That’s a massive amount. But in reality, what is the size of an operation like that? What would its turnover be? I’m guessing into the millions. Because $50,000 as a line item to a multi-million dollar business isn’t that much when worked out as a percentage. But I would go further and say that if you’re having to draw off that much water and you really can’t afford to pay for it, you’re operating unsustainably and probably shouldn’t be in business anyway.
Finally got it together to do an early vote. Took my easyvote card and my 2.5 year old down. Oh no, our early voting starts NEXT week. Wtf – yes lots of people have complained. You could drive 50ks to Motueka to vote if you wanted. TDC – not our fault. Electoral commission oh that seems funny. Marty – you have impinged on my democratic right to vote early and I consider this dirty politics to try and keep the dirty gnats in power. Electoral commission – I’ll certainly note your comments.
Janice @ (27.1.1) … an election card isn’t necessary to vote. We still haven’t received our cards yet, but we voted on Tuesday at a place we didn’t know had an election booth available, because it wasn’t advertised as having one!
Seems to be a lot of inconsistencies related to early voting at this election.
Over 250,000 hectares of land have been bought by foreigners without required approval from the Overseas Investment Office since 2011, and the response was a slap with a wet bus ticket by National, says Leader of the Opposition Andrew Little.
“Our land is being sold into foreign ownership illegally on a massive scale, and National is doing nothing about it.
“The OIO had to validate the purchases retrospectively. It imposed fines in 31 cases of land being sold without approval, totalling 257,000 hectares valued at over half a billion dollars. The average fine was $8,500, or less than $1 a hectare. In other cases, no fine was imposed or the buyers were allowed to make a donation to charity to settle the issue.share on twitter
Can’t think of a better use for the Proceeds of Crime Act. Take the land back into state hands and take the money from those who sold it illegally.
Barclay doing a runner, I thought the police investigation had not yet wound up.
And the questions remain, why was Todd taping Glenis, did he ask her to lie for him and the identity of the female cabinet member (at the time) who was also involved. JS
Barclay doing a runner, I thought the police investigation had not yet wound up.
You’d think that with an ongoing police investigation he wouldn’t be able to. You will get stopped if you have any unpaid court fines and this is bad enough that it should stop him leaving.
It’s probably a loophole that allows him to leave before he gets convicted but if he stays he will be convicted. So he’s leaving to pre-empt the conviction.
Probably got a nice little cushy number courtesy of john key as long as he keeps his mouth shut. Lots going on there that all New Zealanders want to know about. Probably. Imo.
Jimmy Carter is roughly 100 feet (30 m) longer than the other two ships of her class, USS Seawolf (SSN-21) and USS Connecticut (SSN-22). This is due to the insertion of a plug (additional section) known as the Multi-Mission Platform (MMP), which allows launch and recovery of ROVs and Navy SEAL forces. The plug features a fairing over a wasp-waist shaped passageway allowing crew to pass between the fore and aft sections of the hull while providing a space to store ROVs and special equipment that may need to launch and recover from the submarine
Hi Robert G
Problems because of rain with hortis losing a lot of their crop, Kumaras going off in shop soon after arrival instead of keeping for ages.
What can be done about coping with rainy seasons in your opinion? Furrows as they used to use in West Coast? Lifting the beds higher and allowing for streams alongside?
Warm enough where you are, grey, for rice? 🙂
Watercress, raupo, willow-strawberries? (no such thing as “willow-strawberries” though they’d do well in the wet, I imagine. I grow Himalayan tree-strawberries, but they don’t like wet feet). Increasingly rainy conditions are going to be very challenging in some regions as the climate slips and slides about the place. I guess we have to look to monsoon areas and see how they do it. Biodynamics does have one answer: preparation 501, a silica application that strengthens the plants and helps them resist rot. It works well, but you have to subscribe to the Steiner thinking before you’d start applying that.
Pete @ (33) … At present I’m in Frau Paula’s constituency (temporarily thank goodness) and come to think of it, I haven’t seen hair nor hide of her, not anywhere. However, I do have a pitchfork on hand, should she or her minions come door knocking at the last minute, closer to the election!
Robert Guyton:
Most New Zealander’s are sane and considerate people.
Most would rather slit their throats than vote for the Greens.
Fact’s are fact’s.
Please climb down from your tree.
[that’s not a fact, it’s a belief. Stop trolling and have a think about how to be here without being an arse – weka]
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billmurray – what contradictory, lunatic nonsense you write!
Let me explain where you’ve fallen into your own heap of thought-dung:
You write,
“Most New Zealander’s are sane and considerate people.”
Then, perversely, your contradict your claim,
“Most would rather slit their throats…”
Have you flipped out, Billmurray?
You claim is ridiculous in the extreme.
Did you expect to be taken seriously, flailing about with idiocy like that?
Bill! Don’t be a dill!
Apart from the obvious bovine humour of the fool from the Infrastructure NZ suggesting that because the project will do nothing obvious for Auckland traffic congestion by 2046, that it is too small and should be made bigger and even more expensive. FFS It is already going to be the most expensive road in NZ and vies on a kilometre basis with the most expensive roads ever built..
There is also the question about why in the hell are they building this damn thing when it obviously has NO apparent utility?
Apparently designating it as a road of significance to National mean that the Board of Inquiry disassociated their mind from looking if it is a useful project.
A proposed Auckland motorway could rival the most expensive roading project in the world, Infrastructure New Zealand says.
The group, which represents infrastructure companies such as Kiwirail and Transpower, has calculated Auckland’s proposed 5.5km East-West Link (EWL) would cost an estimated $327 million per-kilometre, equalling the 40km Sochi to Krasnaya Polyana road in Russia.
Constructed for the 2014 Winter Olympics in Sochi the US$9.4b (NZ$13b) Sochi to Krasnaya Polyana motorway and railway project connected the coastal Winter Games site to alpine sporting venues and was touted as the most expensive road infrastructure project in history.
So, it’s going to cost lots and lots but the big part is right down the bottom:
In a June board of enquiry hearing, NZTA economist John Williamson said no cost-benefit analysis was to be conducted by the agency on the EWL.
“I do not consider that it would be practical, and may not even be possible, to undertake such a task nor do I think it is helpful,” Williamson said.
Yeah, doing a cost-benefit analysis is not considered to be helpful. Probably because it would show that it’s completely bloody worthless.
Robert Guyton:
Most New Zealander’s are sound and sensible people.
Most would rather slit their own throats than vote for the Greens.
Scramble down from your tree habitat, move around, get a view of the real world.
I and many other’s wish that the Green’s disappear at the election.
They are a blight on our Country.
Hope you take my advice, best wishes for a awful election.
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I would guess that New Zealand share market investors have decided that the Green Party aren’t going to make it back into Parliament.
The Air New Zealand share price has dropped by about 7% in the last week.
Without their (very) frequent flier Gareth Hughes the companies’ profitability will plummet. How can a list MP based in Wellington possibly spend so much on flying?
No more taxpayer paid flights for the little bearded one.
That drop has probably got something to do with the fact they have gone ex-dividend. Stocks invariably fall by the amount of the dividend when they go ex, because the dividend is transferred from the company (the company is now worth less) to the shareholder.
That is quite true of course, although the drop has been about twice the dividend.
However I find my interpretation much more fun. Yours is so much more sensible but doesn’t have the stardust to it. Mind you I don’t actually invest on that basis.
You really can’t read can you?
You did see that my original comment was at 3.12pm
The second was at 5.41pm
Now please tell me. When did you discover the Colmar-Brunton results?
You really are dumb aren’t you?
Why I’ll bet you are a Green supporter.
No, I am pointing out that you are burbling over-confidence because of TV3’s poll. But you are forming the basis of an irony. That comes with the TV1 News. You dug your pit – lie in it.
I see the New Zealand Herald election forecast model says “Predicted candidate vote for Ilam
Predictions for candidate vote by electorate take into account the trends in previous elections and polling data. These are hardest to predict because of tactical voting.”
The graph shows Brownlee at about 60%, Rimell at 30% and Lee at 7%. (Each + or -)
The fact that city councillor Raf Manji isn’t even on there gives context to the guesswork. In spite of that will the information be held up as a source of information? Let alone a ‘reliable’ source?
“When instead they’re good for the country, and the sky doesn’t fall on your head, have the grace to acknowledge it.”
If you were so inclined – (and i’m pretty sure we both are not), you could go back thru my post and see that I have done this on several occasions when wrong.
I don’t have to go back through your comments because I can remember you doing so. However, where National supporters are concerned, I’m very much in favour of the “that’s for nothing, now do something” approach 😈
NEO LIBERALISM at its best the Fury camp no that Hughie will lose in a fair fight so they stack the deck in there favor.
Well Joseph as soon as you see your opening Knock That fucker out that is what you have to do to win this fight.
Have you seen the Alaskan King crab fishing Its one of my favorite programs .
I think that scampi fishing was similar to that the place wear we were fishing had a all you can catch quota in 5 days so we worked 4 1/2 days straight no sleep we stop to eat we had to make boxes to pack the scampi wash grade and pack scampi load and unload the blast freezer head and gut fish box it. I lost 8 Kgs in 7 days it was a lot of work.
The skippers are the same some are screamers ect they have your life in there hands
so you have to trust them.
Maf found the scampi fisheries no one new it existed .
Well one of the MAF Officers went and seen his mate that had a fish shop and they got a boat and sent it out scampi fishing they got a skipper from the Australian prawn fisheries well they ended up cornering the scampi fisheries and owning close to half of the quota worth $100 MIL. I think that stinks a state employee should not be able to gain from the state .
This the reason why I say we have to be really care full with the policy because water is a valuable resource and some sneaky bastard mite exploit our water at our loss.
So it is our duty to keep a sharp eye on the process on our water policy and if we see bullshit happening we will let everyone no so it will be stopped .
We got the Michail fay, scampi fisheries, there will be others .
I meet a skipper down there we got along awesome I thought I could trust him and work with him.
but while we were steaming to Bluff we got a call that he got caught in his gear and was gone .
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With hindsight, it was inevitable that (a) Hamas would agree to the ceasefire deal brokered by Egypt and Qatar and that ( b) Israel would then immediately launch attacks on Rafah, regardless. We might have hoped the concessions made by Hamas would cause Israel to desist from slaughtering thousands more ...
Placards and mourners outside the Kilbirnie Mosque following the Christchurch terror attack: MSD has terminated the Kaiwhakaoranga service, which has been used by 415 families since the attacks. Photo: Lynn GrievesonTL;DR: The Government’s pledge to only cut ‘back office’ staff rather than ‘frontline’ services is on increasingly shaky ground, with ...
There’s been a few smaller public transport announcements over the last week or so that I thought I’d cover in a single post. Fareshare I’ve long called for Auckland Transport to offer a way to enable employer-subsidised public transport options. The need for this took on even more importance ...
Parliament’s speaker had no option but to refer Green MP Julie Anne Genter to the Privileges Committee for her behaviour in the House last Wednesday evening. The incident, in which she crossed the floor to wave a book and yell at National Minister Matt Doocey, reflects poorly on Genter and ...
On February 14, 2023 we announced our Rebuttal Update Project. This included an ask for feedback about the added "At a glance" section in the updated basic rebuttal versions. This weekly blog post series highlights this new section of one of the updated basic rebuttal versions and serves as a ...
Who likes being sneered at? Nobody. Worse yet, when the sneerer has their facts all wrong, and might well be an idiot.The sneer in question is The adults are in charge now, and it is a sneer offered in retort to criticism of this new Government, no matter how well ...
When in government, Labour pushed to extend the Parliamentary term to four years, to reduce accountability and our ability to vote out a bad government. And now, they're trying to do it through the member's ballot, with a Four-Year Parliamentary Term Legislation Bill. The bill at least requires a referendum ...
A ballot for a single Member's Bill was held today, and the following bill was drawn: Public Works (Prohibition of Compulsory Acquisition of Māori Land) Amendment Bill (Hūhana Lyndon) The bill would prevent the government from stealing Māori land in breach of Te Tiriti o Waitangi. It ...
Simeon Brown, alongside Wayne Brown, is favouring a political figleaf now in exchange for loading up tens of millions in extra interest costs on Auckland ratepayers. Photo: Lynn GrievesonTL;DR: Ratings agency Standard & Poor’s is pushing back hard at suggestions from Local Government Minister Simeon Brown and Mayor Wayne Brown ...
Buzz from the Beehive One headline-grabber from the Beehive yesterday was the OECD’s advice that the government must bring the Budget deficit under control or face higher interest rates. Another was the announcement of a $1.9 billion “investment” in Corrections over the next four years. In the best interests of ...
Chris Trotter writes – Had Zheng He’s fleet sailed east, not west, in the early Fifteenth Century, how different our world would be. There is little reason to suppose that the sea-going junks of the Ming Dynasty, among the largest and most sophisticated sailing vessels ever constructed, would have failed ...
David Farrar writes – Two articles give a useful contrast in balance. Both seek to be neutral explainer articles. This one in the Herald on Social Investment covers the pros and cons nicely. It links to critical pieces and talks about aspects that failed and aspects that are more ...
The tikanga regulations will compel law students to be taught that a system which does not conform with the rule of law is nevertheless law which should be observed and applied…Gary Judd KC writes – I have made a complaint to Parliament’s Regulation ...
The future of Te Huia, the train between Hamilton and Auckland, has been getting a lot of attention recently as current funding for it is only in place till the end of June. The government initially agreed to a five year trial, through to April 2026, but that was subject ...
TL;DR: Hamas has just agreed to Israel’s ceasefire plan. Nelson hospital’s rebuild has been cut back to save money. The OECD suggests New Zealand break up network monopolies, including in electricity. PM Christopher Luxon’s news conference on a prison expansion announcement last night was his messiest yet.Here’s my top six ...
A homicide in Ponsonby, a manhunt with a killer on the run. The nation’s leader stands before a press conference reassuring a frightened nation that he’ll sort it out, he’ll keep them safe, he’ll build some new prison spaces.Sorry what? There’s a scary dude on the run with a gun ...
Hi,I know it’s been awhile since there’s been any Webworm merch — and today that all changes!Over the last four months, I’ve been working with New Zealand artist Jess Johnson to create a series of t-shirts, caps and stickers that are infused with Webworm DNA — and as of right ...
The OECD’s chief economist yesterday laid it on the line for the new Government: bring the deficit under control or face higher Reserve Bank interest rates for longer. And to bring the deficit under control, she meant not borrowing for tax cuts. But there was more. Without policy changes—introducing a ...
After a hiatus of over four months Selwyn Manning and I finally got it together to re-start the “A View from Afar” podcast series. We shall see how we go but aim to do 2 episodes per month if possible. … Continue reading → ...
In 2008, the UK Parliament passed the Climate Change Act 2008. The law established a system of targets, budgets, and plans, with inbuilt accountability mechanisms; the aim was to break the cycle of empty promises and replace it with actual progress towards emissions reduction. The law was passed with near-universal ...
Te Pāti Māori is showing extreme concern over the Environment Select Committees adoption of a lucky dip draw to determine hearings for the Fast Track Approvals bill. Of the 27,000 submissions, 2,900 requested to present. All organisations will be heard; however, the remaining 2,350 submitters will be subject to a ...
Today New Zealand First will introduce a Member’s Bill that will protect women’s spaces. The ‘Fair Access to Bathrooms Bill’ will require, primarily in the interest and safety of women and girls, that all new non-domestic publicly accessible buildings provide separate, clearly demarcated, unisex and single sex bathrooms. This Bill ...
The Green Party is welcoming Climate Change Minister Simon Watts’ continuation of Hon. James Shaw’s cross-party work on climate adaptation, now in the form of a Finance and Expenditure Committee Inquiry. ...
The National Government plans to cut 390 jobs at ACC, including roles in the areas of prevention of sexual violence, road safety and workplace safety. ...
The Government has been caught in opposition to evidence once again as it looks to usher in tried, tested and failed work seminar obligations for job-seeking beneficiaries. ...
The Green Party is welcoming the announcement by the Minister Responsible for RMA Reform Chris Bishop to approve most of the Wellington City Council’s District Plan recommendations. ...
David Seymour has failed to get the sweeping cuts he wanted to the free and healthy school lunch programme, Labour education spokesperson Jan Tinetti said. ...
Hon Willie Jackson has been invited by the Oxford Union to debate the motion “This House Believes British Museums are not Very British’ on May 23rd. ...
Green Party MP Hūhana Lyndon says her Public Works (Prohibition of Compulsory Acquisition of Māori Land) Amendment Bill is an opportunity to right some past wrongs around the alienation of Māori land. ...
A senior, highly respected King’s Counsel with decades of experience in our law courts, Gary Judd KC, has filed a complaint about compulsory tikanga Māori studies for law students - highlighting the utter depths of absurdity this woke cultural madness has taken our society. The tikanga regulations will compel law ...
The Government needs to be clear with the people of the Nelson Marlborough region about the changes it is considering for the Nelson Hospital rebuild, Labour health spokesperson Ayesha Verrall said. ...
Ministers must front up about which projects it will push through under its Fast Track Approvals legislation, Labour environment spokesperson Rachel Brooking said today. ...
The Government is again adding to New Zealand’s growing unemployment, this time cutting jobs at the agencies responsible for urban development and growing much needed housing stock. ...
With Minister Karen Chhour indicating in the House today that she either doesn’t know or care about the frontline cuts she’s making to Oranga Tamariki, we risk seeing more and more of our children falling through the cracks. ...
The Labour Party is saddened to learn of the death of Sir Robert Martin, a globally renowned disability advocate who led the way for disability rights both in New Zealand and internationally. ...
Labour is calling for the Government to urgently rethink its coalition commitment to restart live animal exports, Labour animal welfare spokesperson Rachel Boyack said. ...
Today’s Financial Stability Report has once again highlighted that poverty and deep inequality are political choices - and this Government is choosing to make them worse. ...
The Green Party is calling on the Government to do more for our households in most need as unemployment rises and the cost of living crisis endures. ...
Unemployment is on the rise and it’s only going to get worse under this Government, Labour finance spokesperson Barbara Edmonds said. Stats NZ figures show the unemployment rate grew to 4.3 percent in the March quarter from 4 percent in the December quarter. “This is the second rise in unemployment ...
The New Zealand Labour Party welcomes the entering into force of the European Union and New Zealand free trade agreement. This agreement opens the door for a huge increase in trade opportunities with a market of 450 million people who are high value discerning consumers of New Zealand goods and ...
The National-led Government continues its fiscal jiggery pokery with its Pharmac announcement today, Labour Health spokesperson Ayesha Verrall says. “The government has increased Pharmac funding but conceded it will only make minimal increases in access to medicine”, said Ayesha Verrall “This is far from the bold promises made to fund ...
This afternoon’s interim Waitangi Tribunal report must be taken seriously as it affects our most vulnerable children, Labour children’s spokesperson Willow-Jean Prime. ...
Te Pāti Māori are demanding the New Zealand Government support an international independent investigation into mass graves that have been uncovered at two hospitals on the Gaza strip, following weeks of assault by Israeli troops. Among the 392 bodies that have been recovered, are children and elderly civilians. Many of ...
Our two-tiered system for veterans’ support is out of step with our closest partners, and all parties in Parliament should work together to fix it, Labour veterans’ affairs spokesperson Greg O’Connor said. ...
Stripping two Ministers of their portfolios just six months into the job shows Christopher Luxon’s management style is lacking, Labour Leader Chris Hipkins said. ...
Tonight’s court decision to overturn the summons of the Children’s Minister has enabled the Crown to continue making decisions about Māori without evidence, says Te Pāti Māori spokesperson for Children, Mariameno Kapa-Kingi. “The judicial system has this evening told the nation that this government can do whatever they want when ...
It appears Nicola Willis is about to pull the rug out from under the feet of local communities still dealing with the aftermath of last year’s severe weather, and local councils relying on funding to build back from these disasters. ...
The coalition Government is launching Roads of Regional Significance to sit alongside Roads of National Significance as part of its plan to deliver priority roading projects across the country, Transport Minister Simeon Brown says. “The Roads of National Significance (RoNS) built by the previous National Government are some of New Zealand’s ...
A high-level New Zealand political delegation in Honiara today congratulated the new Government of Solomon Islands, led by Jeremiah Manele, on taking office. “We are privileged to meet the new Prime Minister and members of his Cabinet during his government’s first ten days in office,” Deputy Prime Minister and ...
New Zealand voted in favour of a resolution broadening Palestine’s participation at the United Nations General Assembly overnight, Foreign Minister Winston Peters says. “The resolution enhances the rights of Palestine to participate in the work of the UN General Assembly while stopping short of admitting Palestine as a full ...
Introduction Good morning. It’s a great privilege to be here at the 2024 Infrastructure Symposium. I was extremely happy when the Prime Minister asked me to be his Minister for Infrastructure. It is one of the great barriers holding the New Zealand economy back from achieving its potential. Building high ...
Defence Minister Judith Collins today announced the upcoming Budget will include new funding of $571 million for Defence Force pay and projects. “Our servicemen and women do New Zealand proud throughout the world and this funding will help ensure we retain their services and expertise as we navigate an increasingly ...
New Zealand’s ability to cope with climate change will be strengthened as part of the Government’s focus to build resilience as we rebuild the economy, Climate Change Minister Simon Watts says. “An enduring and long-term approach is needed to provide New Zealanders and the economy with certainty as the climate ...
Jobseeker beneficiaries who have work obligations must now meet with MSD within two weeks of their benefit starting to determine their next step towards finding a job, Social Development and Employment Minister Louise Upston says. “A key part of the coalition Government’s plan to have 50,000 fewer people on Jobseeker ...
A new standalone Social Investment Agency will power-up the social investment approach, driving positive change for our most vulnerable New Zealanders, Social Investment Minister Nicola Willis says. “Despite the Government currently investing more than $70 billion every year into social services, we are not seeing the outcomes we want for ...
Check against delivery Good morning. It is a pleasure to be with you to outline the Coalition Government’s approach to our first Budget. Thank you Mark Skelly, President of the Hutt Valley Chamber of Commerce, together with your Board and team, for hosting me. I’d like to acknowledge His Worship ...
Your Excellency Ambassador Meredith, Members of the Diplomatic Corps and Ambassadors from European Union Member States, Ministerial colleagues, Members of Parliament, and other distinguished guests, Thank you everyone for joining us. Ladies and gentlemen - In diplomacy, we often speak of ‘close’ and ‘long-standing’ relations. ...
The Therapeutic Products Act (TPA) will be repealed this year so that a better regime can be put in place to provide New Zealanders safe and timely access to medicines, medical devices and health products, Associate Health Minister Casey Costello announced today. “The medicines and products we are talking about ...
The Minister Responsible for RMA Reform, Chris Bishop, today released his decision on twenty recommendations referred to him by the Wellington City Council relating to its Intensification Planning Instrument, after the Council rejected those recommendations of the Independent Hearings Panel and made alternative recommendations. “Wellington notified its District Plan on ...
Rape Awareness Week (6-10 May) is an important opportunity to acknowledge the continued effort required by government and communities to ensure that all New Zealanders can live free from violence, say Ministers Karen Chhour and Louise Upston. “With 1 in 3 women and 1 in 8 men experiencing sexual violence ...
Associate Education Minister David Seymour has today announced that the Government will be delivering a more efficient Healthy School Lunches Programme, saving taxpayers approximately $107 million a year compared to how Labour funded it, by embracing innovation and commercial expertise. “We are delivering on our commitment to treat taxpayers’ money ...
New research on the impacts of extreme weather on coastal marine habitats in Tairāwhiti and Hawke’s Bay will help fishery managers plan for and respond to any future events, Oceans and Fisheries Minister Shane Jones says. A report released today on research by Niwa on behalf of Fisheries New Zealand ...
Deputy Prime Minister and Foreign Minister Winston Peters will lead a broad political delegation on a five-stop Pacific tour next week to strengthen New Zealand’s engagement with the region. The delegation will visit Solomon Islands, Papua New Guinea, Vanuatu, New Caledonia, and Tuvalu. “New Zealand has deep and ...
There has been a material decline in gas production according to figures released today by the Gas Industry Co. Figures released by the Gas Industry Company show that there was a 12.5 per cent reduction in gas production during 2023, and a 27.8 per cent reduction in gas production in the ...
Defence Minister Judith Collins tonight announced the recipients of the Minister of Defence Awards of Excellence for Industry, saying they all contribute to New Zealanders’ security and wellbeing. “Congratulations to this year’s recipients, whose innovative products and services play a critical role in the delivery of New Zealand’s defence capabilities, ...
Welcome to you all - it is a pleasure to be here this evening.I would like to start by thanking Greg Lowe, Chair of the New Zealand Defence Industry Advisory Council, for co-hosting this reception with me. This evening is about recognising businesses from across New Zealand and overseas who in ...
It is a pleasure to be speaking to you as the Minister for Digitising Government. I would like to thank Akolade for the invitation to address this Summit, and to acknowledge the great effort you are making to grow New Zealand’s digital future. Today, we stand at the cusp of ...
New Zealand is urging both Israel and Hamas to agree to an immediate ceasefire to avoid the further humanitarian catastrophe that military action in Rafah would unleash, Foreign Minister Winston Peters says. “The immense suffering in Gaza cannot be allowed to worsen further. Both sides have a responsibility to ...
A new online data dashboard released today as part of the Government’s school attendance action plan makes more timely daily attendance data available to the public and parents, says Associate Education Minister David Seymour. The interactive dashboard will be updated once a week to show a national average of how ...
Foreign Minister Winston Peters has announced Rosemary Banks will be New Zealand’s next Ambassador to the United States of America. “Our relationship with the United States is crucial for New Zealand in strategic, security and economic terms,” Mr Peters says. “New Zealand and the United States have a ...
The Government is considering creating a new tier of minerals permitting that will make it easier for hobby miners to prospect for gold. “New Zealand was built on gold, it’s in our DNA. Our gold deposits, particularly in regions such as Otago and the West Coast have always attracted fortune-hunters. ...
Minister for Trade Todd McClay today announced that New Zealand and the United Arab Emirates (UAE) will commence negotiations on a free trade agreement (FTA). Minister McClay met with his counterpart UAE Trade Minister Dr Thani bin Ahmed Al Zeyoudi in Dubai, where they announced the launch of negotiations on a ...
New Zealand Sign Language Week is an excellent opportunity for all Kiwis to give the language a go, Disabilities Issues Minister Louise Upston says. This week (May 6 to 12) is New Zealand Sign Language (NZSL) Week. The theme is “an Aotearoa where anyone can sign anywhere” and aims to ...
Six tertiary students have been selected to work on NASA projects in the US through a New Zealand Space Scholarship, Space Minister Judith Collins announced today. “This is a fantastic opportunity for these talented students. They will undertake internships at NASA’s Ames Research Center or its Jet Propulsion Laboratory (JPL), where ...
New Zealanders will be safer because of a $1.9 billion investment in more frontline Corrections officers, more support for offenders to turn away from crime, and more prison capacity, Corrections Minister Mark Mitchell says. “Our Government said we would crack down on crime. We promised to restore law and order, ...
The OECD’s latest report on New Zealand reinforces the importance of bringing Government spending under control, Finance Minister Nicola Willis says. The OECD conducts country surveys every two years to review its members’ economic policies. The 2024 New Zealand survey was presented in Wellington today by OECD Chief Economist Clare Lombardelli. ...
The Government has delivered on its election promise to provide a financially sustainable model for Auckland under its Local Water Done Well plan. The plan, which has been unanimously endorsed by Auckland Council’s Governing Body, will see Aucklanders avoid the previously projected 25.8 per cent water rates increases while retaining ...
Foreign Minister Winston Peters discussed the need for an immediate ceasefire in Gaza, and enhanced cooperation in the Pacific with German Foreign Minister Annalena Baerbock during her first official visit to New Zealand today. "New Zealand and Germany enjoy shared interests and values, including the rule of law, democracy, respect for the international system ...
The Minister Responsible for RMA Reform, Chris Bishop today released his decision on four recommendations referred to him by the Western Bay of Plenty District Council, opening the door to housing growth in the area. The Council’s Plan Change 92 allows more homes to be built in existing and new ...
Thank you, John McKinnon and the New Zealand China Council for the invitation to speak to you today. Thank you too, all members of the China Council. Your effort has played an essential role in helping to build, shape, and grow a balanced and resilient relationship between our two ...
The Government is modernising insurance law to better protect Kiwis and provide security in the event of a disaster, Commerce and Consumer Affairs Minister Andrew Bayly announced today. “These reforms are long overdue. New Zealand’s insurance law is complicated and dated, some of which is more than 100 years old. ...
The coalition Government is refreshing its approach to supporting pay equity claims as time-limited funding for the Pay Equity Taskforce comes to an end, Public Service Minister Nicola Willis says. “Three years ago, the then-government introduced changes to the Equal Pay Act to support pay equity bargaining. The changes were ...
Structured literacy will change the way New Zealand children learn to read - improving achievement and setting students up for success, Education Minister Erica Stanford says. “Being able to read and write is a fundamental life skill that too many young people are missing out on. Recent data shows that ...
Trade Minister Todd McClay says Canada’s refusal to comply in full with a CPTPP trade dispute ruling in our favour over dairy trade is cynical and New Zealand has no intention of backing down. Mr McClay said he has asked for urgent legal advice in respect of our ‘next move’ ...
The rights of our children and young people will be enhanced by changes the coalition Government will make to strengthen oversight of the Oranga Tamariki system, including restoring a single Children’s Commissioner. “The Government is committed to delivering better public services that care for our most at-risk young people and ...
The Government is making it easier for minor changes to be made to a building consent so building a home is easier and more affordable, Building and Construction Minister Chris Penk says. “The coalition Government is focused on making it easier and cheaper to build homes so we can ...
New Zealand lost a true legend when internationally renowned disability advocate Sir Robert Martin (KNZM) passed away at his home in Whanganui last night, Disabilities Issues Minister Louise Upston says. “Our Government’s thoughts are with his wife Lynda, family and community, those he has worked with, the disability community in ...
Didn’t see the amazing and exquisite southern lights over the weekend? You’re not alone: Shanti Mathias has some tips on how to cope. Not to gloat, but I had a very lovely weekend. I went for a long bike ride in the sunshine. I read a magazine on the back ...
At the time of the offending, Mr Ape ran Hoop Star Basketball Academy and submitted fraudulent grant applications that represented over $75,000 in fictitious costs. ...
Local authority financial statistics provide information on the annual performance of core non-trading activities of all New Zealand's territorial and regional councils. ...
Kāinga Ora’s debt problem is serious – but so is the urgent need for more affordable homes, says poverty campaigner Alan Johnson. As Kāinga Ora cancels projects and sells land previously earmarked for development, it’s clear that two issues are set to dominate the public housing narrative over the next ...
By Caleb Fotheringham, RNZ Pacific journalist A National Union of Workers (NUW) official is hopeful Fiji Water employees who have been on strike for almost a week will return to work shortly. Last Tuesday, a group of workers for Fiji Water went on strike over pay disputes at the multi-million ...
True to form, Wellington City Council’s consultation has been a flop. If they’ve been recording residents’ answers incorrectly, then the only option is to go back to the drawing board and start public consultations again from scratch. ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Tracey Clement, Lecturer in Visual Art and McGlade Gallery Director, Australian Catholic University Tracey Clement, Impossible Numbers.Tracey Clement I slip the needle through a small loop of black thread, pull it tight and snip. Done. I have just tied off the ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Jochen Kaempf, Associate Professor of Natural Sciences (Oceanography), Flinders University Gonzalo Buzonni/Shutterstock From around 1996 to 2010, Australia was gripped by the millennium drought. As water shortages bit hard, most of Australia’s capital cities built large seawater desalination plants – Sydney, ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Maria O’Sullivan, Associate Professor of Law, Deakin Law School, Deakin University Students have been protesting on university campuses across Australia for several weeks now, calling on their institutions to cut ties with weapons manufacturers supplying arms to Israel. Some have noted their ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Steven Hail, Adjunct Associate Professor, Torrens University Australia Wolfilser/ShutterstockThis article is part one of The Conversation’s “Business Basics” series where we ask leading experts to discuss key concepts in business, economics and finance. For the most part, economists continue ...
Big business is pouring eye-watering sums into parties on the political right. Max Rashbrooke wonders what it’s getting in return. A couple of years ago, a National Party contact told me it had “never been easier” to get big donations from businesses. Anger about the Covid-era “fortress New Zealand” policy, ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Erin O’Brien, Associate Professor, School of Government and International Relations, Griffith University University campuses around the world have become the site of tiny tent cities in recent weeks, with student activists protesting the ongoing conflict in Gaza. Though the protests on ...
In this extract from The Bulletin, Stewart Sowman-Lund looks at the proposed law and the ongoing concern about it. To receive The Bulletin in full each weekday, sign up here. Where we’re at with the fast-track ...
The revamped school lunch programme is budgeting $3 per lunch, rather than the current $8. But is it really so simple to cut costs? Shanti Mathias investigates. Last week, associate education minister and Act Party leader David Seymour announced the government’s revamped school lunch programme, which will provide food to ...
Exactly 100 years ago, on the eve of another Paris Olympics, young Kiwi Gwitha Shand was the talk of the swimming world. The 19-year-old from Christchurch had broken the world record in the 440-yard freestyle multiple times leading up to the 1924 Olympics, and was described in newspapers as one ...
The New Zealand book trade is still reeling after the shock news that Penguin has axed its head of publishing. The redundancy comes just as the biggest week of the year in New Zealand literature is set to take place. The winners of the Ockham national book awards are announced ...
A rest home with a concierge, iced tea fountain, hybrid Jaguars to drive, and caviar on the menu. That’s not imaginary or from some far-flung country – it’s reality here in Aotearoa. Oceania Healthcare just officially opened ‘The Helier’ – a retirement apartment and aged-care complex in the Auckland suburb ...
The USA and China are beefing, Winston Peters is getting sued by some Australian guy, and Helen Clark and Don Brash are friends now? Here’s everything you need to know about Aukus but were too afraid to ask. What is Aukus?Aukus, which stands for Australia, the United Kingdom, and ...
Opinion: The cold weather and spikes in power demand have been well handled by the electricity system The post No need to shock with a fake crisis appeared first on Newsroom. ...
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Asia Pacific Report About 1000 people in Aotearoa New Zealand gathered for a two-hour rally in central Auckland today and marched down Queen Street and returned to Aotea Square to mark the Nakba three days early — and protest over Israel’s genocidal war on Gaza. They called for an immediate ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Michelle Grattan, Professorial Fellow, University of Canberra As it looks to an election next year when holding up Labor’s female vote will be vital, Treasurer Jim Chalmers has declared Tuesday will bring “a budget for mums and middle Australia”. “The primary ...
By Repeka Nasiko in Suva “Justice has won,” says Fiji’s acting Director of Public Prosecutions John Rabuku following the sentencing of former prime minister Voreqe Bainimarama and former police commissioner Sitiveni Qiliho. Speaking to The Fiji Times, Rabuku said that while they welcomed the judgment by acting Chief Justice Salesi ...
The foreign affairs minister has landed in Solomon Islands for the first leg of his Pacific tour, and an audience with the newly elected Prime Minister. ...
On an unusually hot night in January 2019, a little boy’s lifeless body was found face up in a small town’s sewage oxidation pond. To the police, it was an open and shut case: three-year-old Lachlan Jones had run away from his home in the Southland town of Gore, climbed ...
PNG Post-Courier New Zealand High Commissioner Peter Zwart and PNG Defence Minister Dr Billy Joseph welcomed a C-130 Hercules to Port Moresby this week to support Papua New Guinea’s response to the March 24 earthquake and recent severe flooding. “Papua New Guinea has requested New Zealand’s assistance to transport emergency ...
Grub Street King Luxon rode through the streets Of King’s Landing, and was troubled By the sight of hungry urchins in the mud. “Who would be the best of my Lords To deal with this negative optic?” He pondered. The answer came to him instantly. “Seymour!” he said to himself. ...
“The Bill does not provide environmental protection, good quality decision making, certainty, public participation or speed. It should be withdrawn.” ...
RNZ News Television New Zealand has breached its collective agreement with the E tū union when deciding on discontinuing programmes, the Employment Relations Authority has ruled. It was announced in March that 68 staff members who work for news programmes Midday and Tonight, consumer justice programme Fair Go, current affairs ...
Asia Pacific Report Barangay New Zealand’s Rene Molina has interviewed the country’s first Filipino Green MP Francisco Hernandez who was sworn into Parliament yesterday as the party’s latest member. This is the first interview with Hernandez who replaces former Green Party co-leader James Shaw after his retirement from politics to ...
An Australian Strategic Policy Institute report says Pillar Two could raise the industry to state of the art capability - or "crush" it "under the weight of the globe's biggest player". ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Marlene Longbottom, Associate Professor, Indigenous Education & Research Centre, James Cook University ShutterstockThis article contains information on deaths in custody and the violence experienced by First Nations people in encounters with the Australian carceral system. It also contains references to ...
“Instead of following along countries that are investing in death and better ways of killing people faster, we need to invest in life and in making Aotearoa a fair, just and equitable place where everyone has what they need for a dignified life.” ...
MARIAMENO KAPA-KINGI, TPM MP FOR TAI TOKERAU This Government will not waver in its mission to exterminate Māori. CHRISTOPHER LUXON Oh well look you know I don’t think that hard-working Kiwis want to hear language like that. It’s just really unhelpful rhetoric. My Government is genuinely committed to advancing outcomes ...
The body positivity movement started with women confronting the unrealistic expectations and unrepresentative portrayals of them in media and advertising. Men weren’t part of it … their bodies hadn’t been sexualised to the same extremes and they didn’t really need it. But now that’s changed. And in a warped sort ...
The New Zealand comedy legend takes us through her life in television, including the time she hugged Elton John and the unshakeable legacy of a girl named Lyn. In 1981, Ginette McDonald stood on the stage of Auckland’s St James Theatre and directly addressed Queen Elizabeth II. It was a ...
An essay by Lily Duval from the just-released anthology Otherhood: Essays on being childless, childfree and child adjacent.I was 22 when my friend Alice gave birth in the living room of our pokey Addington flat. She laboured in the blow-up pool for hours. Garish fish swam along the inflated ...
Ella Borrie on the best books about motherhood she’s come across so far. Over the past few years I’ve been drawn to books about motherhood. I’m fascinated by the joys and horrors of becoming a parent. The question of children also feels more pressing than it used to. It’s like ...
Out of gift ideas for mum? You can’t go wrong with a bottle of toilet cleaner and a new squeegee. Emily Writes is the writer and editor of Emily Writes Weekly. This week marks five years since I published a post on The Spinoff about Mother’s Day marketing titled ‘A ...
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Me, offended? Not at all, and clearly not as peed off as you are by the millions of hard, working class folk. Ah Mc’Cain, you’ve done it again. lol
Just remember that slogan politics is the intellectual equivalent of paint by numbers.
And to read below, despite all your bellicose angst you’re not even voting to change the nat government, well, colour me proved correct, Mr Chips.
[TheStandard: A moderator moved this comment to Open Mike as being off topic or irrelevant in the post it was made in. Be more careful in future.]
[I don’t want to have to waste my time reading through this to moderate, so here’s a warning for both other you. 1. don’t do this personal shit on authored posts, if you really have to get into a beef, take it to Open Mike. 2. read the Policy about pointless personal attacks, tone, and flamewars, and pull your heads on. You both have the ability to make political arguments, so please head back that way weka]
“Not at all, and clearly not as peed off as you are by the millions of hard, working class folk.”
Liar
Blowhard.
So no retraction for your lies, but a double-down.
Classy
That’s it, mate, steer the issue of you shouting the odds about the government even though you won’t be voting, and away from you insulting people by calling them middle class because they will vote for labour and/or the greens.
You’ve been outed as a blow hard, which is ironic, as lefties who won’t vote the nats out, despite whining on and on about the unfairness of it all, despite having the democratic option to do so, just totally suck. You blow and suck at the same time. lol.
Come back when you’ve stopped stomping your feet and holding your breath, and are ready to do your bit in real life to improve the lives and conditions of the poorest in our society and the hard out working classes.
Until then, wank on, web warrior.
You lie so often Union city greens, ever thought of a job for national?
It would seem that what you are good at, lies, and assumptions.
What do you do to help? Do you do anything? Beyond the election, anything?
“You lie so often Union city greens, ever thought of a job for national?
It would seem that what you are good at, lies, and assumptions.
What do you do to help? Do you do anything? Beyond the election, anything?”
I’m not even going to bother asking you to cite my lies, even though I know there are none, even though it could lead to you getting warned for it. All I will say is there are no lies coming from me.
Let me explain it clearly for you.
It was stated from another poster you don’t intend to vote. You didn’t deny it. True.
You not voting to change the government directly affects the lives of poorest amongst us in the most negative of ways. True.
You make insults by calling people middle class. True.
The middle class and top earners who will vote to change the government for the benefit of those less fortunate are doing more to improve the well being of children in poverty and the homeless by casting their votes for labour and/or the greens than you are. True.
You don’t have a leg to stand on. True.
As a hard working, poor, working class man, instead of castigating the people you are, like Lprent, who I (rightly or wrongly) perceive as being middle class, who in his early vote thread did his part for the left, I thank them for voting with their social conscience. True.
You’re all fur coat and no knickers. All mouth and no trousers. The worst kind of lefty. True.
If lefty is you mate, then I’m glad I’m no lefty like you.
As for your lies, well I pointed one out, here another.
“insulting people by calling them middle class because they will vote for labour and/or the greens.” that is a lie. I attacked the sanctimonious and condescension of a middle class labour party hack who lied again.
You took my comments personally, and for some reason keep adding the greens, which is quite frankly odd. No wait, add it to your lies.
I’m not your type of lefty, and thank God for that. I don’t think I could live with that much self denial and smug wankery.
You’re all over the place, except in the polling booth, voting out this national government… Where any lefty should be.
Angry Adam, for the working class, poor and vulnerable of NZ.
I can put up with you lying about me, but If you don’t vote labour and/or the greens, you’re an even bigger wanker than you appear.
Let’s do this, Chips.
please read moderator note above and acknowledge.
Seen it.
Is it comforting being such a libtard?
I see why/how the right came up with the term after talking with you.
please read moderator note above and acknowledge.
Indeed, stopped now.
thanks adam.
It’s been over 36 hours since the TV3 poll, fronted by a 12 year old, with the ‘unbelievable’ results and I’ve run the gambit of emotions – from despair to anger and many stations in between.
First, as Martyn Bradbury says on TDB – if 47% of NZers think like National, what does that say of us as a nation?
Second, the left trend was positive for weeks, so how come such a dramatic reversal?
So . . . my conclusion – we’ve been conned – that poll was DIRTY POLITICS 2.0.
I don’t know how they did it, but I just ‘know’ they did! I can feel it in my bones!
And that makes me very angry – such a blatant, cynical and malicious manipulation of our political process!
Electorate vote Labour, party vote Greens!
Yes, the owners of this country don’t want the status quo changed.
George Carlin nails it.
Or maybe the honeymoon period is over and people would actually like to know what taxes are coming before they vote for a party
Some people would actually like to know next week’s Lotto numbers too.
I suspect its easier for Labour (given they’ve had 9 years in opposition) to come up with some ideas on taxes and be able to present those ideas then it is for Lotto to give out the winning numbers
Strange I remember National promising not to raise GST in 2008 and then running a tax working group that resulted in them raising GST.
You are trying to make something out of nothing. The media are more than happy to jump on the band wagon. Labour are going to get the help of experts to come up with a good plan. Holy shit what a radical idea. Next you will be moaning that they listen to engineers before they decide what Bridges they can and can’t build up north.
I admire your optimism.
The way the Labour Party are going I think picking the winning Lotto numbers is much more likely to happen than getting an agreed policy out of that rabble.
At least when National were defeated in 1999 they settled down and got organised by about Christmas, 2003. It took them about 4 years.
Labour has spent 9 years and are no better off than they were when everything collapsed for them in 2008.
It feels as the Labour Party are the cast of Groundhog Day.
And how is your optimism after the Colmar-Brunton poll on TV1 tonight, Alwyn ? No doubt you will find it less credible, but I suggest that the TV3 poll was indeed utter junk. It bucked the trend, which is now obvious.
Please stop following me around.
My wife is getting very suspicious.
So she should. Your faculty for accurate judgement appears to be suffering from shaky unreliability.
Are you advocating taxation by lottery?
Or maybe attaching significance to individual polls is stupid and useless.
What about what services National are going to cut?
Or what they are going to privatise or contract out? Bill English is on record is being anti public ownership.
Will council be forced to privatise water reticulation?
What is going to happen to the country’s state housing stock?
Or maybe the honeymoon period is over and people would actually like to know what taxes are coming before they vote for a party
They didn’t in 2008 but they do now? Why would that be? Surely it can’t be because they’re being bullshitted by right-wing propagandists, because that would never happen, right?
> So . . . my conclusion – we’ve been conned – that poll was DIRTY POLITICS 2.0.
> I don’t know how they did it, but I just ‘know’ they did! I can feel it in my bones!
Have to say dude, you sound a bit delusional
> Electorate vote Labour, party vote Greens!
OK
A.
Not so very delusional at all. In fact, easily done:
A high ranking National minister with a fiscal hole rings the boss of the company he once owned, quietly suggesting the next poll should favour the ruling party. No trace or paper trail.
Te boss of the company once owned by the fiscal hole suggests some new methodology to the polling company – such as asking negative questions about Labour and the Greens, and only polling blue electorates. Again, no real evidence.
Get a 12 year old FW to breathlessly announce the findings – and it’s done!
Easy as!
Gullible people, seeing the Greens below 5%, switch their party votes to Labour – and the desired outcome is achieved.
The poll is unlikely to be accurate. We had a couple of posts about it,
https://thestandard.org.nz/kia-kaha-lefties-its-one-poll/
https://thestandard.org.nz/the-bullshit/
Will be interesting to see the results of the one news poll this evening.
It will be interesting if also indicates National up / Labour down result.
Would that make this poll potentially accurate then?
I don’t think any individual polls are that useful (try reading the linked posts) and that we should be looking at trends and analysis of those by people who have some skills in that.
I also think it’s dangerous that we have a MSM intent on influencing voting, esp given advance voting. I’ve also said in the past that the value of individual polls is how they might help campaigning. So of course the left is going to down play bad ones and up play good ones, but it’s still bullshit. I’m all for changing that system, in the meantime we need good analysis of the whole situation.
Well, James?
Bit of a bugger, really, I suppose, for you. And yours.
dont like the result – must be rigged.
Thats a sound, well reasoned argument you have there Tony. Dosnt sound crazy at all.
Tony Veitch,
This was a gigged poll, – it was done by Steven Joyce as he has immense control over all media as he is a share holder or board director of mediaworks. TV3 ilk.
So this was his deliberate retaliation to being ‘stomped all over with his $11 billion dollar hole allegation made against Labour that was his silly fuck up, and he needed to get that monkey off his back.
This was his way of diverting the glare off his fuck up.
Can he control the next two polls coming up? We shall see.
cleangreen – agree – see post above.
Tony Veitch (not etc)
Yes I enjoyed that and i am so astonished most can’t see the forest for the trees!!
Hope all our efforts wake them up to vote the right way after nine yrs of slash and burn, our grand kids will have no future if we dont rid these carpertbaggers from our shores now.
Hi cleangreen @ (1.6) you state …
“This was a gigged poll, – it was done by Steven Joyce as he has immense control over all media as he is a share holder or board director of mediaworks. TV3 ilk.”
I did suspect this, because the result of the TV Reid poll didn’t seems to be in sync with recent polling trends which glaringly stood out, but wasn’t quite sure if Joyce still had interests other than contacts in Mediaworks.
So the likelihood of Joyce using his powerful media business influence to manipulate the TV3 Reid poll, in a dirty attempt to maintain his rotten political empire, is a possibility? If this is the case, resorting to gutter tactics influencing a poll result favourable to one particular political party, goes right down to National’s dark, corrupt core! Just proves then that Joyce is indeed a master of the dark art of political manipulation and should be nowhere near government!
Have you ever considered writing a sequel to the Harry Potter books?
Your imagination would certainly be up to it, given what you manage to claim about Stephen Joyce.
He sold out completely and left the company Radioworks, which he had founded, when it was bought by Canwest in 2001. That is 16 years during which he has had nothing to do with the business.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steven_Joyce
Are you saying he had nothing to do with the ‘loan’ made to the company, by the state, to pay for their license fees?
You really shouldn’t believe everything you read on the Standard you know.
The payment for broadcasting licences was changed so that the licence for the whole period, 21 years if I remember, had to be paid in one go, at the beginning, rather than on an annual basis.
Rather like if you rented a house for a 21 year term and had to pay the entire rental amount, for the whole time, before you could move in.
They were given the option of paying it in chunks, with a very high interest rate of over 10% being levied on the unpaid balance.
ALL licence holders could do this I don’t remember how many took it up.
It wasn’t anything like what various ignorant idiots may have told you and you shouldn’t really believe everything you are told.
ps I can’t guarantee the 21 years or the 10%. If you really feel you want to know the truth you can easily find it.
I’ll bet you don’t though.
The first thing I decline to believe on the Standard is trolling rubbish from Right Wingers like Alwyn. With the benefit of the hindsight Alwyn has probably gained if he watched TV1 News this evening, Alwyn may regret some of the bumph he has contributed today.
The connection between your comment and the one you are replying to is not apparent.
Do you reply to comments or does my name work on you like a red rag to a bull?
Your focus is too narrow.
In Vino deals with the vexatious nonsense of Alwyn who is getting just a bit too excited.
Yep,… your a legend alwyn,!! (in your own field note book)
We will correct all our comments to YOU!, as you state … your name inspired us to do so…
I suppose you think there is some meaning to this statement.
It certainly isn’t apparent to those of us who have sound minds.
You are right alwyn, about not believing everything on TS.
Your daily propaganda from Fonterra….
As Martyn Bradbury Stewart says
‘The Dairy propaganda adverts on TV are hilarious. So terrified are Fonterra that the rest of the country is getting sick to death of them stealing and polluting our water, they are desperately pumping these farcical adverts out to try and distract Kiwis from the wholesale abuse of their industry.
Richie McCaw wanders around a Farm in the early morning and marvels at the pristine goodness of these human beings as if Jesus himself had personally popped down to the milking shed to milk a herd before feeding 5000 with a block of cheese.
Indeed the most recent advert actually goes as incredibly far as suggesting milk is some kind of miracle drug that can help paralysed teenagers walk again.
You have to see it to believe it…’
As Rachel Stewart writes.
‘So, what happens if you do question farmers on any environmental issue? Take water quality. Simple. It’s a rapid result – and a predictable one. You are labelled “anti-farming”. That’s it. Black and white. A slam dunk. End of discussion.
And that’s the point, of course. Nothing shuts down dialogue faster than a label. Except it doesn’t work on me – given my farming background, and it no longer really flies with your average non-farming New Zealander either.
For nine years we’ve all watched the waterways go rapidly downhill, and the rhetoric from industry push the proverbial uphill, and our patience has run out. The public have reached peak bulls*** detection and are well and truly over farmers’ “beyond criticism” status. Now, they’re also about to decide farmers’ future through this quaint mechanism called democracy.
That future looks like a bit of a correction. They will be forced, under a new government, to pay for a fraction of their pollution via a water royalty, and pay for a contribution to their massive carbon footprint via the Emissions Trading Scheme. Oh, lord. Give them strength.
Instead of hearing what the public wants – that is, clean water, fewer cows, no more dairy conversions, and an end to irrigation schemes – they choose to put their energy into flailing and fighting the inevitable. Stuffed full of false promises from their industry leaders, and their National buddies, they thrash about like dying fish at the bottom of a polluted, dried-out riverbed. It’s ugly to watch.
The interminable Fonterra adverts, DairyNZ taking Greenpeace to the Advertising Standards Authority (and losing) over their TV ad, cockies drinking from streams as if that proves anything other than low IQ, Federated Farmers blaming trout and Canada geese for water pollution. The list is long and has only served to harden the heart of even the kindest, most patient voter.
Watch closely for the next phase of the campaign. You will see National delivering a full-on offensive designed to fire up the farming base, and get the electorate to feel deep sympathy for the farmers’ plight……’
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/index.cfm?objectid=11921404&ref=twitter
Yes time these historical rent seekers coughed up, scaled back and served NZ wider interests. Non dairy farmers aren’t that enamoured with them either.
Instead of their sacred dairy cow broken model which passed the point of diminishing returns decades ago at the expense of our environment.
Fonterra are the worst run organisation in NZ, there’s a better future for dairy farmers without this top heavy bloated crony empire, much better. Look at the returns better run aggregators generate like Tatua etc.
Well, I watched it. Not surprising that they’d tell this story – the contents of milk get used for all kinds of things other than filling milk bottles, which some people may not be aware of. Do you dispute the story in some way?
True but do the benefits outweigh the destruction caused?
The benefits don’t outweigh the destruction caused by over-intensification, but that’s a separate issue. Ed’s issue is with dairy per se.
This Fonterra ad is just so wrong. The opposite is true, dairy consumption is actually a contributing factor to disabling diseases such as Multiple Sclerosis and Parkinsons.
[citation needed]
You seem to misunderstand the words “true” and “actually.” Lactose tolerance was one of the fastest-spreading adaptations known to those studying human evolution, exactly because of dairy food’s advantages.
There was an article a few weeks ago showing that milk intolerance may be greater than previously thought. It’s not just lactose intolerance either.
Still need a citation on her accusations that milk causes disabling diseases though.
RNZ seems to be devoting all its post Irma disaster focus on Florida.
Hasn’t it heard of the Caribbean?
Cuba
http://ottawacitizen.com/g00/news/local-news/cuba-devastated-by-hurricane-irma-care-canada-rep-says?i10c.referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.co.nz%2F
Antigua and Barbuda
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-41182991
Haiti
http://reliefweb.int/report/haiti/more-24-million-children-need-humanitarian-assistance-after-irmas-devastating-passage
Dominican Republic
http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/09/07/549136781/devastation-of-epic-proportions-in-caribbean-wake-of-hurricane-irma
There are many more examples.
Yes such a dulled down insular organisation under nationals thumb….imagine Kim hill interviewing Joyce/Blinglish/Bennett because you’ll never see it.
Imagine National being grilled about their woeful management of the economy.
Imagine a grassroots media where the airwaves ( the commons) are not owned by big corporations.
Used to be what Freeview had….till shonkys mob got in, remember triangle and CTV imagine if it’d been fostered not killed off.
Turdbulls trying to repeat it in OZ except it’s alot more mature wider supported community model over there.
Yep… then there is the flooding in India and Bangladesh… 41 million people across region affected.
https://www.theguardian.com/voluntary-sector-network/2017/sep/12/bangladesh-severe-disaster-flooding
“Overshadowed by an American hurricane, the news of the South Asian flooding has emerged slowly. Even in Dhaka, the English-language newspapers carried events in Houston on their front pages. But these are the worst floods in a century.”
And on top of that Bangladesh is struggling to cope with an influx of some 370,000 Rohingya refugees from Burma.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/sep/12/bangladesh-sheikh-hasina-calls-on-myanmar-to-take-back-rohingya-refugees.
Better than the Herald, I guess, which leads with the All Blacks selection.
Joyce knew what he was doing. It was cynical and targetted.
He knows many peoples no.1 concern is the economy .
He also knows tgat in 2014 and 2015 National while governing left exactly such a small amount of wiggle room and the sky didnt fall. But that bit is left out. Economy is all English has.
Further to the Dr. Yang saga – a close friend who is from China – but is not Chinese, told me it is very difficult, if not impossible for police officers and high ranking military to get passports and/or permission to leave the country.
Which begs the question – how did Dr. Yang get out? With official connivance?
Money – how do you think!
Looks that way. They specifically told him not to list the military places he taught at but to use ‘partnership universities’ instead:
But it’s not, you know, lying despite it not being true.
Spy or not a spy, he lied on his declaration
Exactly which should have his NZ citizenship immediately revoked.
I’m getting irritated with this shit not being appropriately dealt with and, in fact, excused by those in power.
I’m struggling with an English language teacher getting a decent pol sci dept position. Must have other strings to his bow.
Tony Veitch (not etc) @ (6) … yes there needs to be some serious questioning re Jian Yang’s position, both in China and here.
An allegation of a possible foreign infiltration of our government, by a Chinese agent serving as a National MP and it seems this issue has all but disappeared altogether from msm! Almost shut down completely!
However should it have involved Labour or the Greens … media would have been all over this one like a pack of blood thirsty baying hounds! Look at what msm did to Metiria Turei in comparison!
I can see my children in the same role as I am now in 25 years being grandparents and when one becomes a grandparent that is a paradigm shift because you are wiser and more observant. You worry about there future and the world future and take more notice on what’s going on in our WORLD.
So in my view on reality we live for ever in our children I see parts of me in my grandchildren.
So we cannot keep shitting on there future we have to plan and mitigate for climate change so our grandchildren will have a future.
Not just live for the now one can not eat or drink money when a disaster strikes and again it’s is a when not a if .So I say let’s part with some money so our grandchildren can have a future so our WORLD can have a future.
I say that the Western WORLD have obligation to help our third world cousin mitigate against climate change.
Again spend now to save billions in the future billions of lives WE ARE ONE RACE THE HUMAN RACE AND WE CAN BE A BEAUTIFUL CAREING RACE we need to act now so our grandchildren have a future.
To MSM we are fighting the neo liberals not you people Kai pai
Dave Kennedy’s written a very good piece on “who to vote for and why” – it’d make a fine post here on TS 🙂
http://localbodies-bsprout.blogspot.co.nz/2017/09/what-vote-will-deliver-change-we-need.html
If you can get permission from Dave to cross post it here, I will put it up 🙂
Hi, weka. Just spoke with Dave (long discussion, lots to talk about 🙂 and he says he’s more than happy for you to put his article up here. He also told me that the southern greens have an election night celebration planned at the craft brewery in Invercargill – looking forward to that! Metiria’s coming down soon, to speak at a “poverty” debate – it’ll be great to catch up with her.
thanks!
Wish I could be at that debate!
I heard Paul Buchanan overnight talking about Jian Yang. He said things you’d expect.
You plant operatives who fit in. They get involved in life wherever and (my words), become part of the wallpaper.
What could be more part of the wallpaper than the life Dr Yang has? I’m not saying there is anything untoward about Dr Yang. I’ve heard him say there’s nothing untoward. He’s in a situation a bit like in the Monty Python movie, the , “I am not Jesus Christ” scene. What did we expect to hear from him?
That’s how the espionage world works. That’s how suspicion works. More furtive and sinister though, is that’s how politics and NZ elections work. And you can bet a $100,000 bottle of wine from an Asian gentleman on that.
Yes, impossible to know exactly what to make of this situation.
This article in the financial Times provides some more circumstantial evidence.
It’s focused on the way the Chinese government operates in contrast to “the best” of liberal democracies. But, of course, 5 Eyes ain’t all that transparent and innocent. The article begins with:
And ends with:
Thats why several of our trading artners including China, and Autralia have rules on who is allowed to sit in Government.
The plot thickens, I see in the Herald that Todd Barclay is leaving for work in England. So look at things like this, Dr Yang trains toddy up in the Dipton office in the art of spying. Todd spies and is caught out by office girl, Bill jacks him up a job in London–MI5 or similar, and tells office girl todd is going to England.–via text. The deep south hides its sins, have we a contact among correspondents keeping an eagle eye open, up dates welcome.
isn’t Barclay still being investigated by the police? how is it that he’s being allowed to skip the country, seems to me that either the fix is already in, or he’s leaving one step ahead of the law
Todd could be 0.007
More Naked Gun, I think, than 007.
Having read the article that won’t be his bank balance. Is that his IQ ?
Nactional = coruption.
Bill said he would work right up to the election. Oops not true. Do we like liars this week or not?
i despise the highly paid members of the media like Guyon Espiner who make it their job to pimp for the Tories and turn a democratic election into a Showground attraction.
Words fail me.
We need a better and more democratic media.
I have again switched RNZ off.
100% Ed Guyon Espiner apears to be a national party plant now as Suzie Ferguson is and Kath Ryan all inside RNZ!! RNZ now is controlled by Steven Joyce as his propaganda spin machine.
This is corruption using our public funded RNZ now.
Vote them out now.
Hate to say it, but we actually have no fuckn idea which side of the political spectrum Guyon and Suzie lay/lie. You could actually be very! surprised.
The most you can accuse them of is being in a comfy little bubble with the ability to sympathise, but not empathise with those beneath.
But then again …. I just heard a RNZ sports reporter use the word “learnings”
yes Tim,
They all are regularly ‘briefed’ as I saw working for a large Corporation, (Bell) as they called it ‘indoctrination’ over Canada way then.
So the word ‘learnings’ is a similar term I guess.
I would call it ‘Joyce’s brainwashing’ he controls it all from his propaganda nerve centre ‘bunker’ – MBIE.
Breaking News on The Herald, replete with flashing red banner :
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11921804
How can a politically charged opinion piece be breaking news?
+100 Ben….the Herald rolls out the ex-ACT leader neo-liberal dinosaur to slag Labour off and this is news?
Meanwhile Guyon Espiner just destroyed Winston on Morning Report. Why anybody would vote NZF after that I don’t know.
It has been noticeable recently that Winston has lost some of his sharpness; he tried to cover this by telling Espiner continuously that he didn’t know what he was doing as an interviewer.
Party Vote Green. Hayley was good on Backbenches last night. Willie Jackson was good too and will be an asset to parliament-we need characters with humour that have their hearts in the right place.
BG. I thought Guyon was a prat this morning with Winston. He let that “gotcha” stupidity override everything and wouldn’t let Winston even take a breath without interrupting. His behaviour is what is wrong and that is not good enough for RNZ.
Party vote Green.
Yes garibaldi,
I saw it this way to.
We laid a complaint over Espiner’s lack of fairness and balance in his ‘presentation’ it was the worst I have even seen of him. he is a disgrace to us all.
When National’s leader Engish is interveiwed Guyon will be as nice as pie, believe me.
He wont ask any hard questions of that leader you can bet like wat have you signed us up to in any free trade can you release this to us all now?
Another question Guyon should have asked english was ‘are you going to sell off ant other public assets or turn them into PPP’s?.
he will not be alolowed to ask them as he is cached by Joyce what to ask.
here is my complaint to RNZ today.
Subject: complaint to RNZ morning report leaders debate 14/9/17 INTERVIWS WITH GUYON ESPINER. 14/9/17. unfair unbalanced interview compared to other leaders interviews
Importance: High
Listening to RNZ this morning Morning report 14/9/17 with Guyon Espiner & Suzie Ferguson was such a totally botched sad show of a very low quality coverage of interviewing Winston Peters as the NZ First leader.
As Espiner did not give a similar space and time for Winston to talk and explain his policies before Espiner chipped in completely destroying the flow of detailed information we as listeners needed to hear.
We should not be subjected to Guyon’s own views or Suzie’s dismissive responses but we do not have a ‘fair & balanced’ media any more within our flagship public radio platform.
I hope when Labour/NZ First begin the new media platform we will see an end of these low quality radio presenters and produce informative quality presenters with core values of presenting fair & balanced media presentations.
Shameful show from Espiner & Ferguson I would remove them both if I could.
Bearded Git @ (11.1) … Although I’m not a NZF voter, in some respects I feel sorry for Winston, because it seems now his age is beginning to show. He definitely doesn’t seem to be as sharp as he once was, which incidentally wasn’t that long ago. He’s coming across at this election as a fading light.
I’m of the same generation as Winston and sometimes it takes a little bit of effort to get the old grey matter into gear and responses are not as quick as they used to be, with some of us, because we are beginning to “wear out.” This could be the case with Winston.
With Winston when he’s finding interviews not going his way and he realises he is not quite on top of his game when faced with a challenging interviewer, to make up for this, in typical Muldoon style, Winston lashes out at the interviewers, which doesn’t do him any favours at all. In fact it makes him look foolish. Besides that, it isn’t a good look for NZF either.
To be honest, I’m finding his utterances and secrets are becoming tiresome and annoying, because they more often than not amount to nothing.
In my honest opinion, I think Winston should have bowed out at this election with some dignity and handed the reins over to someone younger in NZF, who is able to keep up with the play, appeal to the younger generation and rejuvenate the party. Or to quote the wonderful Fred Dagg “… kick her (NZF) in the guts Trev.” Because at present, NZF’s image is that of an old person’s political party, which it doesn’t have to be!
Agreed mary-a. I am 71 yrs old, I well remember Muldoon’s decline. This is similar. Not Winston’s fault – I always saw him as Muldoon’s heir, the only one with a similar gift. (Not that I liked either of them.) But now he is fading.
It happens to all of us – I ought to know….
Muldoon when he played Narrator in The Rocky Horror Show. Poor bastard.
Yes that stinks, no way is that “news” no way should it be headlined , and where is the promoters statement, they really abuseing their “news” outlet status there
And they headlined it over their own prediction of a very tight election day outcome
11 Ben, this is the next attack mode. To belittle her. To frame her as a backstabber
Jacinda is being shown as stressed and not coping with pressure through slanted reporting,
Stuff has an article in which they mention a confrontation from a grey power audience heckler regarding the TPPA.
They failed to mention the sustained standing ovation she received on entering the hall. The love and warmth shown by Jacinda and others during and after the meeting.
This is deliberate.
A wounded National is a dangerous beast.
Kia kaha. Stay strong, vote Red/Green or Green/Red.
There is a Nelson Mail report of the Grey Power meeting.
“An estimated 450 people turned out to hear Jacinda Ardern deliver a speech to Grey Power Nelson on Wednesday as part of the Labour leader’s whistlestop tour of the city.
Extra seats had to be brought in for the meeting at Annesbrook Church in Stoke, with the crowd by far the biggest of a series of Grey Power meetings with political leaders on the campaign trail in Nelson.
Last month 260 people turned out for the Prime Minister, National leader Bill English, and 220 for NZ First leader Winston Peters.
Loud cheers and whooping greeted Ardern as she entered the church.
Unlike the previous two events, the crowd was not all grey heads.”
In Blenheim, in 1999, Helen Clark had a similar turnout- a packed church, standing room only, and school boys attending. I don’t recall whoops, though.
It was Grahame O’Brien and he was all over the show yesterday, relentless, police kept an eye on him, he was the one who posted the pro nat poem on all the cars, police were informed it was him.
It was a real wtf moment, him of all people being anti left, I was like dang, what are you doing dude?
http://www.stuff.co.nz/nelson-mail/news/81533359/community-activist-graeme-obrien-enters-nelson-mayoral-race
Ben @ (12) … Natz in desperate times roll out any decrepit old right wing has been. This time it’s Prebble again. Ho hum … so obvious.
Steven Joyce has now got his mates in the Landlords Assn to spread more fear about a Labour Government causing rents to rise by taking away their ability for negative gearing. How long before he resurrects the dancing Cossacks?
Nationals whole campaign is dancing cossacks….they have abandoned any pretence of honesty and are shamelessly appealing directly to fear and greed….it’ll only work if turnout is low.
Pat,
Perfectly said – I coulnt have said it better.
Spot on. It confirms and accentuates all their negative traits. A desperate and high risk strategy.
In fairness Ad (Advantage) who supports Labour has similar views, if it gets you power it is ok.
It’s very defensive, and defending a long way back in National’s own territory. And some of National’s supporters have a lot to defend, a change of government could put some of them in rather reduced circumstances.
That change of government could also put a lot more people in much better circumstances. I think tonight’s CB poll bears this out.
As for dancing cossacks, I’m waiting for dancing pandas, little blue ones, to make an appearance…..
And the smugness with which some of their supporters embrace this behaviour makes me worry for NZ. What kind of kids are we all raising when this behaviour is revered and rewarded… except when poor brown people behave this way… then there is outrage
And probably jail time.
True Janice….and Susie Ferguson was completely useless as usual on Morning Report, failing to ask WHY rental prices will go up. She simply accepted the statement.
The question should have been “but Labour is promising to build 100,000 state houses on top of those being built by private enterprise; won’t this cause rents to come down?”
Bring back Kim Hill.
BG
Propagandist Steven Joyce would never allow Kim Hill back until after the election as he has shut down any critics or free speech as he will not allow it while in his attack mode, he must be banished he is a powerful dictator now.
She did ask fairly pointed questions about the nateure of the ‘survey’, let him foam for a bit, then basically went ‘sure, fine, whatever.’
Is not the $2.3Billion accomodation supplement not enough corporate welfare?
IMO should a landlord be a net recipient of this, then their property should comply to certain govt standards, and dept of social welfare should have a list of properties that comply and over time move remnants not into these properties. I know easier said than done
Prebble’s “Jacinda tidal wave has gone out” is an appallingly selected metaphor.
A tidal wave (tsunami) that has gone out draws back from the shore so far that where there was water before nothing remains. 37.8 % is hardly nothing, nor is running neck and neck with the PM “nothing”.
These emotive ‘good sounding’ headlines epitomize the endless layers of calculated spin we are prey to.
lol…what happens when a tidal wave approaches the shore?….the water level drops as the approaching wave draws it to itself just before it inundates the shore in a massive wall of water…..watch out National, you’re busy inspecting the exposed foreshore and are about to be swamped .
+ 1 good one even though the metaphor is a bit you know.
After the ‘$11 billion dollar hole’ now there’s ‘Joyce’s Storm surge.’
And his article headlines ahead of Heralds prediction of neck and neck.
Remember Prebble doesnt understand the difference between weather and climate. He thinks if it snows unseasonably there cannot be global warming
Tracey, Prebble is an idiot remember two years ago he was calling for government to save rail?
Then National continued flogging off more Kiwirail land and assets till the electric trains are now sold!!!
So where was prebble then??
No Prebble is just another tory hollow man.
It baffles me how Bill English can call himself ‘Christian’ when he lives his life as anything but in my opinion. His lies over Todd Barclay and support of Steven Joyce’s venomous behaviour are appalling. Dirty politics and National are one and the same.
As for Prebble slithering out of the slime – I just hope there are enough people who can see him for what he is. How does the Herald get away with this? Likewise Vernon Small in the Dominion Post has an anti Labour article today. Fair enough if there was also an examination of National as well.
He confesses his sins every Sunday and is good to go again on monday
Yep… that’s how it works. In my view, Confession is THE greatest invention of the Catholic Church, period.
Going to church doesn’t make you a Christian any more than standing in a garage makes you a car.
Very few self claimed Christians actually model their lives on the teachings of JC, right wing Christians being prime examples.
+1
Yes as a non church attending christian I am appalled at Bill English acting as bad as our last PM athiest was, as a taker and not a giver.
The day of reckoning will come to visit these morons.
It appears to be camouflage to try and hide his sociopathy. After all, many people still apply the false logic of ‘Christian = Good’.
Merkel on track for fourth term on September 24th with another grand coalition.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/0/german-election-polls-odds-tracker-merkel-seeks-fourth-term1/
Merkie’s like herpes. Just when you think it’s gone..
“RNZ has heard a secret recording Danny made of a conversation with his former employer where they talk about the scam.
His lawyer said they went to Immigration New Zealand (INZ) to lay a complaint and offered the recording as evidence of Danny’s exploitation, but authorities wouldn’t investigate and told them complainants should come forward at the first instance of exploitation.
The lawyer argued that if that was the case, there would almost never be a case taken. “And another thing I think they said is whether or not he has clean hands. Again, if you have been part of or party to a migrant exploitation situation it’s highly unlikely that one would ever have clean hands.”
http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/339373/migrant-worker-describes-modern-day-slavery-scam
Nationals corruption has obviously infected our public service….time to clean house before its too late.
yes our whole Public service is now compromised and corrupted.
I’m pretty sure that the person admitting being complicit in the scam brings it up to a threshold where an investigation is warranted and the police involved. It doesn’t stop it meeting that threshold.
one wouldn’t think so….unless of course the direction from above is that it does
Unfortunately, it is the norm. It’s also getting worse not better.
Wow
So under the bellicose banner of “Landlords First !” a gang of anti-social greedies threaten havoc. Well bring it on. ‘Master of the Universe’ terrorists puffingly expressing the mantra “Democracy is Mine !” are beneath contempt. When bottom-line fixation comes down to waging class warfare things get very ‘personal’. Expect very ‘personal’ accountability. He Tangata He Tangata He Tangata !
Fuck yeah!!!
I frequently spend weekend time in South Auckland. The sight of rentiers and their proxies scuttling around the area in their aspirational decade-old BMWs, Merc’s and Audis, aluminium ladders atop, DIY toolkits in the boot…….they absolutely turn my guts. Their obvious fish-out-of-water discomfort, their incapacity to meet eyes, evidences their feasting on the lives of others’ grandchildren as they scheme the enhancement of the lives of their own. As sick making as the Herald with its routine celebration of this “righteous entrepreneurialism” in its Monday morning headlines. Parading yesterday man Mad Dog Prebble is a new low.
Yep the prebbs trained and unleashed by labour and then turning on his master and biting the shit out of them since then. Where is the spca and why haven’t they done something about this dangerous animal.
An article usefully clarifying the term ‘Identity Politics’, reminding us of the original meaning, and why it should be reclaimed as a radical critique, not the straw man for used by white male paleoleftists such as Trotter to suppress the struggles of people who aren’t straight white men with moustaches.
https://newrepublic.com/article/144739/liberals-get-wrong-identity-politics
Lilla’s spin on this statement would make identity politics sound like a selfish political theory. But his bad interpretation is not the same as a bad theory. When the collective writes that the “most radical politics come directly out of our own identity,” Lilla reads this as applying to each individual group’s identity when the Combahee River Collective meant “our own” to apply specifically to black women. It is a result of their belief, as they write later in the statement, that, “If Black women were free, it would mean that everyone else would have to be free since our freedom would necessitate the destruction of all the systems of oppression.” The original intent of identity politics was articulating black women’s struggle at the nexus of race, gender, sexual, and class oppressions, and then forming strategies for dismantling each of these, both in black feminist spaces and in coalition with other groups.
How do you insure universal rights?
Ask everyone what rights they think they should have. Questions such as:
1. Should you have the right to marry? Y/N
2. Should you have the right to do as you wish? Y/N
3. Should you have the right not to be affected by other peoples actions? Y/N
etcetera.
Get the questions right and we’ll end up with a very good BORA – and ACT would be out of options as ‘property rights’ wouldn’t survive.
So many abstract nouns. So very very many. Trotsker’s a man of words. Big round comfortable words. Then there’s that crap about paleoleftists whatever the fuck they are.
Didnt Trotter bemoan the demise of Labour only a few short weeks ago
Paleoleftist – someone for whom it is always 1916, still in the Industrial revolution, on the eve of the revolution. Someone who likes big round comfortable words because they’re big, round and comfortable. A white male heterosexual assimilationist who assumes that his own type is the norm and all radical or revolutionary endeavours must support his own needs and all struggles must be subsumed into his own because he cannot comprehend another person’s experience and will not listen. In other words, meet the new boss, same as the old boss.
With confessions mentioned earlier in the post, 3/4s of what you have listed resonates.
Apart from comfortable, and I am not a hundy on what assimilationist is.
Upon rereading, I reckon I am a good listener with plenty of empathy.
Thanks for posting this.
NZ WHISTLE-BLOWER ALERT!
The TRUTH about the Tamaki ‘Regeneration’ – GENTRIFICATION $CAM!
“Penny Bright has been shining a light into the murky recesses of public/private partnerships in the Tamaki Regeneration scheme and revealed some disturbing details…”
Authorised by Penny Bright
2017 Independent candidate for Tamaki, 86A School Rd, Kingsland, Auckland 1021.
https://www.facebook.com/penny.bright.104/posts/1796625243683493
WTF happened to the treaty?
National will help young farmers buy State Owned farms.
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11922193
He expected about 100 young farmers to benefit from the programme. Not all of Landcorp’s 140 farms will be sold, he said.
“Many are subject to Treaty claims and others have a right-of-first-refusal for iwi. Some of Landcorp’s larger farms will be divided into smaller units.”
National said it expected it to take more than a decade to complete the sale and settlement process for the farms. Any revenue generated will be reinvested in public services.
Jericho Station, Landcorp farm near Te Anau, is to be sold to a Chinese buyer who lives “elsewhere”. An essentially equivalent bid for Jericho Station from a New Zealand buyer was declined.
I guess the spy was able to vouch for him.
Lie on lie on lie – where are the detailed costings, projections and so on? Up the office where he pulled his lies from.
This ^^^^^^
Yep the gnats will throw everyone under the bus to get in and they start with the most vulnerable.
Didn’t they promise no more state asset sales?
DRACO;
National = dont tell truth.
My dearest says;
National = ‘make’s it up as they go’
More asset sales. Run down and strangle Landcorp then sell it to your voting base 9 days out from an election.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/96824794/live-on-the-campaign-trail
So let me get this right, intensive dairying is ruining our environment and running down our number one export (tourism), yet national want more farms? WTF
Yep. They are doubling down on the lack of vision. Selling publicly owned land to private individuals while encouraging dairy expansion on unsuitable land thereby exacerbating damage to waterways and the tourism industry.
so currently many farmers pay less tax than the average working person, and they are using tax payer owned land to make their profits from.
They’ve had subsidies for mass irrigation, which is only needed due to the changing climate, environment as well as the greed of intensive dairy farming.
And now they are being offered the land which is currently owned by the people of NZ to buy (probably dirt cheap) to continue this practise. Rather than be given the skills/training to diversify and change, after being aware of (due to technology) just how damaging and destructive intensive dairying is to the planet we live on.
Far out, it’s just unreal. But climate change is real. One would think that having a business that relies on the climate/environment in order to profit, that one would be bending over backwards to protect the environment from which the profit depends.
How about a bit of free tertiary education for the farmers on the changing environment and diversification.
My Grandpop was a farmer, he loved animals so much, loved the land and the river from which their water came. Seems like SOME farmers today love the money/profit above everything else. Yup I’m more than a little bit fucked off about the news today.
Did you have any problems with all keys u turns. He turned so fast he left skid marks.
Bill English has many sons. Maybe they want to till the soil.
Debate tonight that will be well worth watching/listening to
Tonight from 7pm Stuff is hosting a debate between Stephen Joyce and Grant Robertson, the two blokes who want to look after the nation’s bank account.
Can Robertson please tell Joyce that the PM ran two zero budgets which is what Joyces accusation boils down too. Another thing Mr Joyce doesnt understand about economics and the economy
Should be a goodie, and would be good if Grant pointed out just why Joyce doesnt understand economics… ie Joyces unfinished/failed economics papers when he went to uni.
Haven’t seen a link yet Trace for the debate will post as soon as I do 😀
Yeah – cannot wait to hear Grant talk about the total u-turn they have had to make so close to the election. So much for the captians call
Australia watch. What next? They have won us by conquest, any advantages in agreement has been from our wheedling. Time to tighten the screws.
RadioNZ
8:40 am today
http://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/morningreport/audio/201858456/australia-blocks-access-to-tab-betting-accounts
Australia blocks access to TAB betting accounts
From Morning Report, 8:40 am today
Listen duration 4′ :43″
The TAB’s been caught on the back foot by a surprise Australian law change that means no one in Australia can place bets in New Zealand. John Allen is the chief executive of the Racing Board, which runs the TAB.
Somehow reminds me of the song ‘Everything’s Up to date in Kansas City – They’ve gone about as far as they can go.’ (We are Kansas City, had our brief moment in time as a first world, brave little country footing it in the machine age out of the agricultural field, now back again, and Oz recognises that they can take potshots at us, no missiles needed.)
(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2T0G2UNv0fM
This claim from National that farmers could face a $50,000 cost increase from Labour’s water tax sounds a bit sus to me. On the face of it, it sounds like an awfully big and scary number (it’s purpose), but at a cost @2-3 cents/cubic metre the farmer would have to be drawing off around 3 million cubic metres of water each year to receive a $50,000 water-use charge.
That’s a massive amount. But in reality, what is the size of an operation like that? What would its turnover be? I’m guessing into the millions. Because $50,000 as a line item to a multi-million dollar business isn’t that much when worked out as a percentage. But I would go further and say that if you’re having to draw off that much water and you really can’t afford to pay for it, you’re operating unsustainably and probably shouldn’t be in business anyway.
It is made up. No one is asking Bill to provide an independent report verifying the claim
Finally got it together to do an early vote. Took my easyvote card and my 2.5 year old down. Oh no, our early voting starts NEXT week. Wtf – yes lots of people have complained. You could drive 50ks to Motueka to vote if you wanted. TDC – not our fault. Electoral commission oh that seems funny. Marty – you have impinged on my democratic right to vote early and I consider this dirty politics to try and keep the dirty gnats in power. Electoral commission – I’ll certainly note your comments.
ffs not happy
WTF
Our early voting in Hunua doesn’t start until tomorrow. Only got my card yesterday, what is going on?
Janice @ (27.1.1) … an election card isn’t necessary to vote. We still haven’t received our cards yet, but we voted on Tuesday at a place we didn’t know had an election booth available, because it wasn’t advertised as having one!
Seems to be a lot of inconsistencies related to early voting at this election.
Quarter of a million hectares sold into overseas ownership illegally
Can’t think of a better use for the Proceeds of Crime Act. Take the land back into state hands and take the money from those who sold it illegally.
And Barclay has skipped out on his well paying job:
Despite, you know, still being paid.
Pretty sure that constitutes theft as a servant.
Barclay doing a runner, I thought the police investigation had not yet wound up.
And the questions remain, why was Todd taping Glenis, did he ask her to lie for him and the identity of the female cabinet member (at the time) who was also involved. JS
You’d think that with an ongoing police investigation he wouldn’t be able to. You will get stopped if you have any unpaid court fines and this is bad enough that it should stop him leaving.
It’s probably a loophole that allows him to leave before he gets convicted but if he stays he will be convicted. So he’s leaving to pre-empt the conviction.
Paula Bennett
Amy Adams
Anne Tolley
Nikki Kaye
Judith Collins
Maggie Barry
Louise Upston
C’mon, Cinny! Gizus a clue (tick one) 🙂
Well at least he’s leaving!
I’d rather he went to jail on his way out.
Deport to Mannus. I reckon.
He is from Double Dipton after all.
Despite Bill saying he would work til election day
Probably got a nice little cushy number courtesy of john key as long as he keeps his mouth shut. Lots going on there that all New Zealanders want to know about. Probably. Imo.
I’m sure we’ll find that he’s got a nice cushy job with Lord so&so that visited with Key back when he was PM. National do look after their own.
us nuke sub returns to base flying jolly roger.
https://twitter.com/IanJKeddie
The Jimmy Carter is a Seawolf-class submarine specially modified for spying and covert operations. Interesting…
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Jimmy_Carter
Jimmy Carter is roughly 100 feet (30 m) longer than the other two ships of her class, USS Seawolf (SSN-21) and USS Connecticut (SSN-22). This is due to the insertion of a plug (additional section) known as the Multi-Mission Platform (MMP), which allows launch and recovery of ROVs and Navy SEAL forces. The plug features a fairing over a wasp-waist shaped passageway allowing crew to pass between the fore and aft sections of the hull while providing a space to store ROVs and special equipment that may need to launch and recover from the submarine
Hi Robert G
Problems because of rain with hortis losing a lot of their crop, Kumaras going off in shop soon after arrival instead of keeping for ages.
What can be done about coping with rainy seasons in your opinion? Furrows as they used to use in West Coast? Lifting the beds higher and allowing for streams alongside?
Warm enough where you are, grey, for rice? 🙂
Watercress, raupo, willow-strawberries? (no such thing as “willow-strawberries” though they’d do well in the wet, I imagine. I grow Himalayan tree-strawberries, but they don’t like wet feet). Increasingly rainy conditions are going to be very challenging in some regions as the climate slips and slides about the place. I guess we have to look to monsoon areas and see how they do it. Biodynamics does have one answer: preparation 501, a silica application that strengthens the plants and helps them resist rot. It works well, but you have to subscribe to the Steiner thinking before you’d start applying that.
At Wanaka library.
Voting is very busy.
Hope Labour’s tax u-turn isn’t too late.
Im sure the voting public will be smart enough to see it for what it was.
Anything on Paula today/
think she’s still locked in the cupboard
Pat,
Ha ha ha – Lock the bloody cupboard.
Deputy PM has gone very quiet and the media arent seeking her out for policy/promises comments
A heavy mantle of guilt?
Pete @ (33) … At present I’m in Frau Paula’s constituency (temporarily thank goodness) and come to think of it, I haven’t seen hair nor hide of her, not anywhere. However, I do have a pitchfork on hand, should she or her minions come door knocking at the last minute, closer to the election!
Robert Guyton:
Most New Zealander’s are sane and considerate people.
Most would rather slit their throats than vote for the Greens.
Fact’s are fact’s.
Please climb down from your tree.
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billmurray – what contradictory, lunatic nonsense you write!
Let me explain where you’ve fallen into your own heap of thought-dung:
You write,
“Most New Zealander’s are sane and considerate people.”
Then, perversely, your contradict your claim,
“Most would rather slit their throats…”
Have you flipped out, Billmurray?
You claim is ridiculous in the extreme.
Did you expect to be taken seriously, flailing about with idiocy like that?
Bill! Don’t be a dill!
And, Bill Murray, please stop abusing the apostrophe. It is “facts”, not “fact’s” you bloody goof.
🙂
My god, has anyone else read the post at Greater Auckland on the massively expensive East-West highway?
http://www.greaterauckland.org.nz/2017/09/14/surprising-ally-fight-east-west-link/
Apart from the obvious bovine humour of the fool from the Infrastructure NZ suggesting that because the project will do nothing obvious for Auckland traffic congestion by 2046, that it is too small and should be made bigger and even more expensive. FFS It is already going to be the most expensive road in NZ and vies on a kilometre basis with the most expensive roads ever built..
There is also the question about why in the hell are they building this damn thing when it obviously has NO apparent utility?
Apparently designating it as a road of significance to National mean that the Board of Inquiry disassociated their mind from looking if it is a useful project.
Another BS policy of the Nats going unscrutinised
That is damn hilarious.
Top work again from Matt Lowry.
East-West Link to cost an estimated $327 million per-kilometre, Infrastructure New Zealand says
So, it’s going to cost lots and lots but the big part is right down the bottom:
Yeah, doing a cost-benefit analysis is not considered to be helpful. Probably because it would show that it’s completely bloody worthless.
There must be money in it for the National Party or otherwise it makes no sense at all.
I would be great if this story got some cut through in the MSM because it really highlights the lie that their funding decisions are evidence based.
Hopefully Stephen Joyce will also be asked if this is true.
http://www.labour.org.nz/is_national_planning_a_secret_fuel_tax
“Hopefully Stephen Joyce will also be asked if this is true.
http://www.labour.org.nz/is_national_planning_a_secret_fuel_tax”
Or which magic money tree he’s going to get the necessary from?
Or if he is going to fund them from existing funding sources, what is he going to cut to pay for the boondoggles.
Robert Guyton:
Most New Zealander’s are sound and sensible people.
Most would rather slit their own throats than vote for the Greens.
Scramble down from your tree habitat, move around, get a view of the real world.
I and many other’s wish that the Green’s disappear at the election.
They are a blight on our Country.
Hope you take my advice, best wishes for a awful election.
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I would guess that New Zealand share market investors have decided that the Green Party aren’t going to make it back into Parliament.
The Air New Zealand share price has dropped by about 7% in the last week.
Without their (very) frequent flier Gareth Hughes the companies’ profitability will plummet. How can a list MP based in Wellington possibly spend so much on flying?
No more taxpayer paid flights for the little bearded one.
That drop has probably got something to do with the fact they have gone ex-dividend. Stocks invariably fall by the amount of the dividend when they go ex, because the dividend is transferred from the company (the company is now worth less) to the shareholder.
That is quite true of course, although the drop has been about twice the dividend.
However I find my interpretation much more fun. Yours is so much more sensible but doesn’t have the stardust to it. Mind you I don’t actually invest on that basis.
Once again, Alwyn still has to learn about the Colmar-Brunton poll on TV1 tonight. Silly boy
You really can’t read can you?
You did see that my original comment was at 3.12pm
The second was at 5.41pm
Now please tell me. When did you discover the Colmar-Brunton results?
You really are dumb aren’t you?
Why I’ll bet you are a Green supporter.
No, I am pointing out that you are burbling over-confidence because of TV3’s poll. But you are forming the basis of an irony. That comes with the TV1 News. You dug your pit – lie in it.
I see the New Zealand Herald election forecast model says “Predicted candidate vote for Ilam
Predictions for candidate vote by electorate take into account the trends in previous elections and polling data. These are hardest to predict because of tactical voting.”
The graph shows Brownlee at about 60%, Rimell at 30% and Lee at 7%. (Each + or -)
The fact that city councillor Raf Manji isn’t even on there gives context to the guesswork. In spite of that will the information be held up as a source of information? Let alone a ‘reliable’ source?
So – who thinks that tonights CB poll will show labour in the lead still ?
anyone?
Is there as much chance of that as there is of Bill English turning into a teller of the truth?
Looks like they are ….
James.
James.
James.
Goose.
Labour / greens could govern alone on these numbers (my worse nightmare … agghhh).
Should be happier reading for a lot on here.
James, you honey, you. Thanks for the good news and the supportive comments.
respect for fronting up.
my worse nightmare
I expect that’s founded on a belief that they’d be bad for the country.
When instead they’re good for the country, and the sky doesn’t fall on your head, have the grace to acknowledge it.
Or are you more of a “what’s in it for me?” voter (Newsflash, they’ll be good for you too).
“When instead they’re good for the country, and the sky doesn’t fall on your head, have the grace to acknowledge it.”
If you were so inclined – (and i’m pretty sure we both are not), you could go back thru my post and see that I have done this on several occasions when wrong.
More than I can say for a lot of people on here.
I don’t have to go back through your comments because I can remember you doing so. However, where National supporters are concerned, I’m very much in favour of the “that’s for nothing, now do something” approach 😈
NEO LIBERALISM at its best the Fury camp no that Hughie will lose in a fair fight so they stack the deck in there favor.
Well Joseph as soon as you see your opening Knock That fucker out that is what you have to do to win this fight.
Have you seen the Alaskan King crab fishing Its one of my favorite programs .
I think that scampi fishing was similar to that the place wear we were fishing had a all you can catch quota in 5 days so we worked 4 1/2 days straight no sleep we stop to eat we had to make boxes to pack the scampi wash grade and pack scampi load and unload the blast freezer head and gut fish box it. I lost 8 Kgs in 7 days it was a lot of work.
The skippers are the same some are screamers ect they have your life in there hands
so you have to trust them.
Maf found the scampi fisheries no one new it existed .
Well one of the MAF Officers went and seen his mate that had a fish shop and they got a boat and sent it out scampi fishing they got a skipper from the Australian prawn fisheries well they ended up cornering the scampi fisheries and owning close to half of the quota worth $100 MIL. I think that stinks a state employee should not be able to gain from the state .
This the reason why I say we have to be really care full with the policy because water is a valuable resource and some sneaky bastard mite exploit our water at our loss.
So it is our duty to keep a sharp eye on the process on our water policy and if we see bullshit happening we will let everyone no so it will be stopped .
We got the Michail fay, scampi fisheries, there will be others .
I meet a skipper down there we got along awesome I thought I could trust him and work with him.
but while we were steaming to Bluff we got a call that he got caught in his gear and was gone .