Open Mike 25/01/2018

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  1. eco maori 1
    25 January 2018 at 7:27 am

    Yes accelerated climate change caused by HUMAN kind Is poking us in the EYES.
    These greedy neo liberals who are using there money to manipulate OUR media to deny this fact are idiots and it’s all in there personality they all have a attitude like TRUMP my EGO comes first .They need to face reality and see that they are destroying Papatuanuku and the future of OUR MOKOS . here’s a link

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/environment/100835536/a-storm-moved-a-620tonne-rock-in-ireland-a-stunning-new-climate-change-omen.

    And here is a GREAT man useing all his skills to turn US onto the correct path of environmentally sustainable way of living .I say lets get in behind him and back him
    Elon Mus .

    https://www.google.com/url?q=https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/world/100839771/tesla-boosts-allin-bet-on-elon-musk-with-record-us26-billion-option-award&sa=U&ved=0ahUKEwjd_-bpmPHYAhXEk5QKHSvNA1AQFggFMAA&client=internal-uds-cse&cx=006730714154542492986:oh6vl0ybuqy&usg=AOvVaw2-tLWQaOGsiFd00bWkoQoS

    For OUR recycling we need to come up with the easiest way to sort our waste to make recycling cheaper that is one of the main reasons we send plastic waste to China they are going to ban the imports of this stuff .
    The councils and government could come up with a plan that creates employment and turn OUR waste into a commodities . cash for bottles mabe a discount on rates if you put out clean graded waste some thing intelligent needs to be found to solve this problem its out there we just need to work together to find the solution. Minimisation is the first path I would take.
    Ka kite ano

  2. Gristle 2
    25 January 2018 at 7:40 am

    Yay.

    Radio New Zealand reports that we are on track to having the hottest January on record.

    Keep burning hydrocarbons. Let’s see if we can do it again next year!

  3. eco maori 3
    25 January 2018 at 8:02 am

    I know you know when I.m watching your show .
    Duncan from the AM SHOW on tv 3 you have lost a bit of wait Mark you have adjusted your attitude slightly for the better. The Gisborne girl AManda Gillies I agree with your views and it is good that those 2 guys are letting you express your views .

    The 90 day clause was a tool that employers used to suppress workers I know this from personal experiences get rid of it . Don’t make excuses that business need this tool to get good employees most people are good its the way they are treated that counts .
    Any business that can not innovate to survive A humane business environment under Labour should go broke isn’t that the neoliberal business ideal survival of the fittest .
    You try living on the minimum wage Duncan rents are high you would have to work 80 hours a week to survive there is nothing wrong with a high humane wage society look at OUR Australian cousins they are doing fine .
    Ka kite ano

    • eco maori 3.1
      25 January 2018 at 8:18 am

      I know WHAT media works owns and when I see bullshit coming from them I will caste a stone at them I see your producers move against me I can.t log on to Breakfast the sandflys have fuckup my computa I will solve this problem soon Jack I support the Breakfast show .ana to kai

      • eco maori 3.1.1
        25 January 2018 at 8:27 am

        christeen rankion is a neo liberal bigot it is the employers job to hire the right employees and if you get the wrong ITS your fault don.t throw someone life into decline and chaos because you stuffed up I would not want to harm anyone as this is not the humane way but i have different views to you christeen if you go public you are going to get attention good and bad Ana to kai

        • eco maori 3.1.1.1
          25 January 2018 at 9:16 am

          I’m not going anywhere people Ka pai

          • eco maori 3.1.1.1.1
            25 January 2018 at 2:17 pm

            I was teaching the muppets sign language on Pitau Street Mount Maunganui so it someone seen this it to the police not you Ka kite ano

            • eco maori 3.1.1.1.1.1
              25 January 2018 at 2:21 pm

              Iv employeesd heaps of people troll don’t bother me again how’s the police money weigh down your back pocket. Ana to kai

    • james 3.2
      25 January 2018 at 10:19 am

      “Don’t make excuses that business need this tool to get good employees most people are good its the way they are treated that counts .”

      “it is the employers job to hire the right employees and if you get the wrong ITS your fault”

      bullshit.

      As an employer – we never want to get rid of good employees – they are too hard to come by. And yes, ours are paid well and looked after.

      The employees we need to get rid of are the useless ones, who manage to do a good interview – then you find out they are crap once you start working with them.

      Imagine that you had to marry a person based on a first date only? You need a little while to work people out – employers should be able to get rid of the crap.

      • One Two 3.2.1
        25 January 2018 at 10:52 am

        You’re not an employer…

        • james 3.2.1.1
          25 January 2018 at 10:56 am

          Oh – really that comes as a surprise to me.

          • red-blooded 3.2.1.1.1
            25 January 2018 at 11:29 am

            Well, James, if you describe some of your employees as “crap”, it seems to me that you’re probably not a good employer.

            • james 3.2.1.1.1.1
              25 January 2018 at 2:01 pm

              Actually I didnt.

              But if you are so naive to think that some are not – god help you should you ever start a business.

      • Rosemary McDonald 3.2.2
        25 January 2018 at 10:55 am

        Perish the thought…I find myself agreeing with James!!!!

        “The employees we need to get rid of are the useless ones, who manage to do a good interview – then you find out they are crap once you start working with them.”

        And they won’t listen and learn how to do the job better and get along with co-workers.

        And if co-workers complain that the person is useless, untrainable and downright unrepentantly obnoxious and the boss steps up…there’s claims of bullying…. and off to the Employment Court we all go.

        Or, totally competent staff find the situation intolerable and leave.

        There must be a better way of removing destructive people from a workplace for the sake of other workers.

        • red-blooded 3.2.2.1
          25 January 2018 at 11:32 am

          NZ employers already have the right to dismiss workers in circumstances like this, Rosemary. They have to show that they’re following a fair process, that they’ve given warnings and depending on the employment agreement may need to offer chances to retrain or be mentored, but if a person is an unsalvageable bad employee they can definitely be fired.

          • weka 3.2.2.1.1
            25 January 2018 at 12:30 pm

            this.

            It gobsmacks me how many employers don’t understand employment law well enough to know how to legally fire workers, and/or appear to not have skills to do so fairly.

            • james 3.2.2.1.1.1
              25 January 2018 at 2:12 pm

              and it shocks me how some people cannot understand that it can be a long drawn out process that ends up costing the employer time and money that they do not necessarily have.

              I agree wholeheartedly that a fair process should be done for employees who have been working for a period – but I also think that a 90 days trial with a “cut down” version for staff that turn out to be completely unsuitable right off the bat is also fair.

      • mpledger 3.2.3
        25 January 2018 at 11:43 am

        Pity workers can’t get rid of crap employers.

      • Molly 3.2.4
        25 January 2018 at 12:35 pm

        “The employees we need to get rid of are the useless ones, who manage to do a good interview – then you find out they are crap once you start working with them.”
        Has it occurred to you that part of the problem here might be your own judgement, and interview process?

        You seem to be inclined to hire bullshitters, and then be surprised when they perform badly.

        I’d be taking a good, hard look at your own prejudices that make you hire candidates that can smooth talk, but can’t do the job.

        • Draco T Bastard 3.2.4.1
          25 January 2018 at 12:50 pm

          You seem to be inclined to hire bullshitters, and then be surprised when they perform badly.

          We’ve actually got an entire industry set up to teach people how to lie at interviews. If you spend time as unemployed WINZ will send you to them.

      • McFlock 3.2.5
        25 January 2018 at 12:42 pm

        If they do the job adequately without incurring disciplinary action and you still want to get rid of them, then they’re good employees and you’re a shit manager with a pointless personal animosity.

        If they don’t do the job, their CV and interviews were accurate, and you can’t get rid of them, then you’re a shit manager.

        If they don’t do the job, lied on their CV or interview, and you still can’t get rid of them, then you’re a really shit manager.

  4. cleangreen 4
    25 January 2018 at 8:03 am

    Jane I want to send a message to jacinda,

    Jacinda do not allow David Parker to be your boss as you are now the new boss and “captain” at the helm.

    Release the final TPP agreement now so we “the NZ public” can feel confident that the deal you are now prepared to sign is actually as good as you all say it is, and give us your promised rights of having ‘a voice that will be heard by your government.’

    Here is what Jane Kelsey is saying so please take note and consideration of her wise words.

    https://thedailyblog.co.nz/2018/01/25/the-zombie-tppa-is-back/

    Jane thankyou again for your excellent criticism of this rotten trade deal.

    It is disgusting to have to realise that labour who promised us all “complete openness, inclusion and transparency has now finally resorted to pure secrecy again.

    They loose my vote here as we must take them at their word and honesty above all here and hold them to a higher standard than this sloppy back room dealing without our inclusion and input.

    This is Labour’s second major error since the first debarkle at Parliament on day one when they give in to National blackmail over voting for speaker Trevor mallard.

    They are full of amateurism today again over the sloppy manner in which they announced this “trade deal”

    • Wayne 4.1
      25 January 2018 at 10:28 am

      cleangreen,

      You have an easy choice; vote Green. I presume you actually did that anyway in the election.

      Labour always made it clear in their formal statements (as opposed to hyperbolic speeches at demonstrations) they were opposed to TPP for quite specific reasons, the most important being foreigners buying second hand houses. When that was fixed they were able to support it.

      You cannot realistically claim you were mislead, unless you mistook all the Labour MPs being on the anti TPP marches as signifying actual opposition to TPP. Understandable if you did, since any Labour MP who speaks at such marches has to hype their opposition out of all recognition to the reality of the formal Labour position. And Labour MP’s, especially those on the left of the party, surely did that.

      For the Labour MP’s, being on the marches was simply a device to mobilise their younger supporters and the left part of their base. Not to signify actual opposition.

      To my mind Labour MP’s participating in the anti TPP marches was shameless hypocrisy, given the actual Labour position and the role of Labour in setting the whole thing up.

      But that is politics for you. National did much the same on foreshore and seabed.

      • One Two 4.1.1
        25 January 2018 at 10:55 am

        Yes, Wayne…

        Red/Blue, is a ‘mirage’..

        It’s a lodge gathering out in public view….women ‘allowed’…

        Westminster System…

      • tc 4.1.2
        25 January 2018 at 12:01 pm

        Yet again you’re making mischief over labour MP’s being allowed to express views that may not align 100% with the party line. The broad church as some say.

        Hypocrisy is a topic you’d be well versed in Wayne being a national party club member.

      • DoublePlusGood 4.1.3
        25 January 2018 at 12:57 pm

        Not really, were you at any of the marches? Labour MP’s statements I recall at the march I went to were vague waffle and avoiding taking any sort of stand, nothing hyperbolic. The crowd roundly booed them.

        I agree that the Labour presence at the marches was rank hypocrisy though.

  5. Gabby 5
    25 January 2018 at 8:36 am

    Iss coz ayes black innit.

    [TheStandard: A moderator moved this comment to Open Mike as being off topic or irrelevant in the post it was made in. Be more careful in future.]

  6. alwyn 6
    25 January 2018 at 9:31 am

    No Right Turn has an interesting post on the determined secrecy and refusal to tell the public anything on his site
    http://norightturn.blogspot.co.nz/2018/01/how-bad-oia-decisions-are-made.html

    The promised openness didn’t last very long did it?
    Remember how, only about 7 weeks ago the current PM promised us that her Government was going to be an open one? At least that is what we thought she was offering.
    “We are actively at the moment looking at ways that we can make sure there is greater transparency around briefings that ministers receive, cabinet papers, whether we can routinely release documents after decisions are made, these are conversations I have never heard governments have before, and we are having.”
    https://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/345343/jacinda-ardern-on-secret-documents

    Well we know now what the result of those discussions was.
    I suppose it could be summed up with the phrase
    “Don’t tell anything to anybody”.
    Not what we thought we were going to get is it?

    Rather like the TPPA. Remember how the Labour Party, when in Opposition, were demanding the release of the full text of the Agreement, even before the negotiations were complete?
    Now they are going to hide everything.

    The Chief Ombudsman, Peter Boshier, said on 4 December last year that the compliance with the rules on OIA requests had greatly improved between 2012 and 2017.
    As he said
    “”It’s made a demonstrable difference, we’ve found in the most recent research that we’ve done, that compliance with timeliness has increased hugely, and I think it’s because people know that we mean business and we do.”
    https://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/345381/how-open-and-transparent-is-the-new-government

    I suppose the Ombudsman will be tearing his hair out now, after seeing how the current PM has lied to us.
    Open and Transparent. Really?

    • james 6.1
      25 January 2018 at 10:32 am

      They are going to piss off a lot of their supporters they way that they are acting.

      They are finding out its easy to “talk smack” in opposition – but harder to back it up when they become government.

      Ardern is out of her depth.

    • red-blooded 6.2
      25 January 2018 at 11:39 am

      They’ve already said that there’ll be a select committee process and that the full text will be released before then. The wording’s still being finalised (presumably the bits that have been tweaked for Canada).

      Of course, the committee process isn’t going to change anything – National are going to support it and so are NZF – but it will get the document out in the open.

    • Draco T Bastard 6.3
      25 January 2018 at 1:12 pm

      Remember how, only about 7 weeks ago the current PM promised us that her Government was going to be an open one?

      I suspect that it will take longer than 7 weeks.

      And I want all government data to be released ASAP given only that it should still maintain necessary privacy of individuals and take into account national security.

      The Chief Ombudsman, Peter Boshier, said on 4 December last year that the compliance with the rules on OIA requests had greatly improved between 2012 and 2017.

      And yet John Key is on record as saying that National purposefully abused the OIA process and that there was never any indication that they stopped doing so.

      http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/comment/editorials/10640015/Editorial-Abuse-of-OIA-disgraceful

      • alwyn 6.3.1
        25 January 2018 at 3:31 pm

        You had to go back an awfully long way to find that item, didn’t you?
        That was about the time of the 2014 election and National had a lot longer in office after it. They would seem to have improved according to Peter Boshier.
        I am inclined to believe the current Chief Ombudsman than I am a Fairfax Editorial from more than 3 years earlier.

        You did read what No Right Turn said I hope. The PMs office were the ones who were promoting the abuse, probably illegal, of the OIA.
        He doesn’t say who it was but it was certainly one of the Political Advisers. They aren’t carry-overs you know. They are dyed in the wool Labour Party hacks appointed by the current Government.
        I am only surprised that Curran let the e-mail out of the office. I’m sure that would have got her a bollocking from H2.

      • cleangreen 6.3.2
        25 January 2018 at 4:29 pm

        100% I agree drago

        ‘Talk the talk’ labour.

  7. Ad 7
    25 January 2018 at 9:46 am

    If Federer gets into the Australian Open finals at age 36 I will have to do a non-political post just on him I think. Just awesome to see him come back in the first set against Berdych late yesterday.

    • Puckish Rogue 7.1
      25 January 2018 at 10:16 am

      Its really hard to compare players in different eras but if anyone was to claim The Fed Express is the GOAT I wouldn’t argue against them

      • Stunned Mullet 7.1.1
        25 January 2018 at 10:33 am

        Rod Laver..

        • Puckish Rogue 7.1.1.1
          25 January 2018 at 11:25 am

          Would Rod Laver at his peak beat Roger Federer at his peak. Maybe but more likely the differences in equipment, the light years differences in sports science etc would prove to much for Rod to overcome

          Maybe if Rod had been born in this era with the same gear and training but even then hes given up 12 cm in height (and presumably reach as well)

          • red-blooded 7.1.1.1.1
            25 January 2018 at 11:43 am

            I’ve always been a Federer fan. He’s wonderful to watch, prodigiously talented, but he’s also stuck with it when he’s been challenged, changed his game, kept himself extraordinarily fit and toned, and he’s got the temperament of a champion without being an arsehole. He’s gracious in victory and defeat.

          • Stunned Mullet 7.1.1.1.2
            25 January 2018 at 2:21 pm

            Just throwing in Rod Laver to demonstrate the futility of declaring anyone the GOAT.

            Even with record like The Don’s in cricket there’ll be valid arguments for and against – that’s what makes sports so fascinating and fun for so many.

          • mikes 7.1.1.1.3
            25 January 2018 at 6:26 pm

            “Would Rod Laver at his peak beat Roger Federer at his peak”

            Umm, no.

            Not even close

    • james 7.2
      25 January 2018 at 10:36 am

      With all the talk of inequality and how people dont deserve huge salaries – how to you feel that he earns the average UK salary of £27,600 in just five hours, three minutes and 41 seconds, and has a supposed nett worth of 300000000 gbp?

      Just for hitting fuzzy balls over a net.

      https://www.express.co.uk/life-style/life/906809/Roger-Federer-net-worth

      • Ad 7.2.1
        25 January 2018 at 11:53 am

        I feel just fine.

      • Draco T Bastard 7.2.2
        25 January 2018 at 4:14 pm

        And didn’t produce anything of actual value.

        It’s a great example of how profit brings about the misallocation of resources.

        • mikes 7.2.2.1
          25 January 2018 at 6:49 pm

          “And didn’t produce anything of actual value.”

          Well that would depend on where you are looking at things from.

          He obviously brings value to tournament organizers otherwise they woudn’t offer such high prize money or appearance fees. He obviously brings value to TV and media companies as he is brings in viewers. He obviously brings value to the companies he endorses otherwise they wouldn’t sponsor him.

          You could also say that the Roger Federer Foundation brings something of great value to many underprivileged children in Africa. It has provided around $35 million US towards helping a million children via educational projects in Africa.

          He also plays many exhibition matches for charity and supports these charities which may bring value to peoples lives.

          Elton John AIDS Foundation
          Humpty Dumpty Foundation
          Make-A-Wish Foundation
          Mines Advisory Group
          Small Steps Project

          When it comes to adding value and giving back, Roger is definitely one of the good guys.

          • Draco T Bastard 7.2.2.1.1
            25 January 2018 at 6:55 pm

            He obviously brings value to tournament organizers otherwise they woudn’t offer such high prize money or appearance fees. He obviously brings value to TV and media companies as he is brings in viewers. He obviously brings value to the companies he endorses otherwise they wouldn’t sponsor him.

            Your confusing profit for value.

            You could also say that the Roger Federer Foundation brings something of great value to many underprivileged children in Africa. It has provided around $35 million US towards helping a million children via educational projects in Africa.

            Such an organisation shouldn’t need to exist. The fact that it does is more proof that the present system isn’t working.

      • mikes 7.2.3
        25 January 2018 at 6:33 pm

        It’s not a salary it’s prize money and endorsements.

        The endorsements he earns are obviously decided upon by the companies he endorses and are obviously deemed to be worth it by those companies. Generally, smart businesses don’t fork out sponsorship money unless they feel it will be getting them more back.

        Huge executive salaries are often set by the execs themselves so no comparison whatsoever

  8. Bill 8
    25 January 2018 at 9:59 am

    Mark E Smith… 🙁

  9. joe90 9
    25 January 2018 at 1:37 pm

    Hobnobbing with bigoted misogynists ain’t how you win friends and influence people.

    Chelsea Manning mingles with party goers, including @Gavin_McInnes, at A Night for Freedom. pic.twitter.com/vQCmTCV1AA— Mike Cernovich 🇺🇸 (@Cernovich) January 23, 2018

    Chelsea Manning at my D.C. apt during a get together: not sure what "intel" could have been collected aside from the fact that I always win at Cards Against Humanity. Also, not exactly sure why a non-journalist would be attempting "investigations". pic.twitter.com/8u0TFZUxxr— Lucian B. Wintrich (@lucianwintrich) January 24, 2018

    • Macro 9.1
      25 January 2018 at 1:46 pm

      yep not the best way to win friends and influence her followers. I believe a genuine beginning politicians mistake. She will learn from this and be more careful in future.

  10. Macro 10
    25 January 2018 at 1:42 pm

    Tonight is Burn’s Night and to celebrate here is Paolo Nutini – A Man’s a man
    My favourite rendition of a truly great song:

  11. rhinocrates 11
    25 January 2018 at 1:56 pm

    https://www.economist.com/blogs/democracyinamerica/2018/01/what-video?fsrc=scn/fb/te/bl/ed/

    Social media, though widely blamed for inflaming partisan tensions, cannot explain the decades-long uptick in political polarisation nor the especially pronounced rise among elderly Americans who are not glued to Twitter. Teasing cause from effect is, with the current data, well-nigh impossible. “As passions rise, post hoc reasoning rises,” says Jonathan Haidt, a professor of psychology at New York University. “Technology is a big part of the story, but rising hatred makes people much more willing to believe any outlandish thing.”

    The full report is available free here:

    https://www.rand.org/pubs/research_reports/RR2314.html

    Truth Decay is defined as a set of four related trends: increasing disagreement about facts and analytical interpretations of facts and data; a blurring of the line between opinion and fact; an increase in the relative volume, and resulting influence, of opinion and personal experience over fact; and declining trust in formerly respected sources of factual information.

  12. savenz 12
    25 January 2018 at 4:09 pm

    Don’t worry Cape Town our government and councils will gladly give away our water – just buy a plot here or apply for a resource consent and then viola – decades of water for virtually nothing.

    http://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2018/01/the-lessons-new-zealand-could-learn-from-the-cape-town-water-crisis.html

  13. joe90 13
    25 January 2018 at 4:28 pm

    Quite the day in Canada. Two provincial conservative party leaders have been accused of sexual misconduct, one, Baillie Nova Scotia, has quit and the other, Brown, Ontario, just had a press conference where he was trying not to blub, ran away from reporters, and then his staff bailed on him.

    PC Leader Patrick Brown's Campaign Manager, Chief of Staff, Dpty Campaign Manager have all resigned in light of the leaders refusal to step down.— Amanda Pfeffer – CBC (@onthebeat1) January 25, 2018

    http://nationalpost.com/pmn/news-pmn/canada-news-pmn/nova-scotias-progressive-conservative-leader-steps-down-for-personal-reasons

    https://globalnews.ca/news/3985997/patrick-brown-sexual-misconduct-claims/

    • cleangreen 13.1
      25 January 2018 at 5:48 pm

      I used to live in Toronto and knew the PC members (Progressive Conservative)

      They were all right wingers and o/k to work with, but sloppy activity got them there.

  14. cleangreen 14
    25 January 2018 at 5:35 pm

    Its official today the local councils are now set to poison us and cause us cancer and women miscarriage.

    They could’ve used harmless hydrogen peroxide H2 O2, (foodgrade) used in all dairy products instead which is good for our health also the stupid councils.

    The Risks of Chlorination By-Products
    Lab animals exposed to very high levels of THMs have an increased risk of cancer. Several studies on humans have also found a link between long-term exposure to high levels of chlorination by-products and a higher risk of cancer. For instance, a recent study showed an increased risk of bladder and possibly colon cancer in people who drank chlorinated water for 35 years or more.
    High levels of THMs may also have an effect on pregnancy. A California study found that pregnant women who drank large amounts of tap water with high THMshad an increased risk of miscarriage. These studies do not prove that there is a link between THMs and cancer or miscarriage. However, they do show the need for further research in this area to confirm potential health effects.

    https://www.canada.ca/en/health-canada/services/healthy-living/your-health/environment/drinking-water-chlorination.html

  15. cleangreen 15
    25 January 2018 at 5:45 pm

    Councils had a choice;

    But they stupidly opted out for dirty chemicals which will contribute to increased release of harmful climate change chemicals such as dichloroethane, and carbon tetrachloride generated by having chlorine in our water supply.

    If they had chosen Hydrogen peroxide the chemicals would not produce any climate change emissions but simply increase the level of oxygen in our air which is beneficial for us all.

    irresponsible of these Local councils.

    Fools all of them.

  16. eco maori 16
    25 January 2018 at 9:43 pm

    Sandflys stay away from my mokos you deceit full muppets what other low down tactics are you going to pull. You were going hard at Pitau Street today but no effect. You muppets don’t own NZ. You people don’t like it when you’re dirty big secret are out the for all the common people to know A. PEOPLE these is more to come I will reveal it when the timing is optimal for my defense against these muppets.I know what you are up to redhead neoliberal idiot did you cry when Winston crowned Jacinda lol. Ana to kai

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