Open mike 25/08/2024

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22 comments on “Open mike 25/08/2024 ”

  1. SPC 1

    It seems that proposing a lesser future than one that was possible is not popular.

    https://www.1news.co.nz/2024/08/24/half-of-kiwis-disagree-with-axing-mega-ferries-project-poll/

    Those who want to remove this government need to communicate how this is symptomatic of its wider approach.

  2. SPC 2

    Is there difficulty finding nurses, or just having the funding to employ them?

    Oz recruiters now crossing the Tasman to pick up nurses who came here to work.

    https://www.1news.co.nz/2024/08/24/qualified-foreign-nurses-struggling-to-find-work-in-new-zealand/

  3. PsyclingLeft.Always 3

    While a Win, this raises good points..

    Environmentalists celebrate court victory but question insurance cover for fines

    Gisborne District Council has celebrated multiple legal wins this year against forestry companies, but environmentalists are questioning who is paying the fines.

    The remarks come after a recent law change, which means insurance companies can again pay court fines if forestry companies are found at fault, rather than the company itself.

    Mana Taiao Tai Rāwhiti (MTT) spokesman Manu Caddie questioned whether the forestry companies would feel the sting of the fines or if their insurance companies would cover the costs.

    And yes another of NACT1's attacks in their war on our Environment

    The coalition government repealed the Natural and Built Environment Act in 2023.

    The legislation, brought in by the previous government, prohibited insurance companies from paying fines, infringement fees, or pecuniary penalties on behalf of companies.

    And good on Manu Caddie and others who stand up for Our NZ Environment against the likes of……

    China Forestry Group NZ, Wood Marketing Services did not respond for comment.

    Aratu Forest Ltd said it did not wish to comment.

    https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/526082/environmentalists-celebrate-court-victory-but-question-insurance-cover-for-fines

    Bit of a search reveals….

    In July 2019, Hikurangi Forest Farms was purchased by New Forests, an Australian-based, international and sustainable forestry investment manager, on behalf of its institutional investment clients. The company was renamed Aratu Forests Ltd on 1 July 2019.

    https://aratuforests.co.nz/about/about-aratu/

    And FFS the Greenwashing….aargh : (

    https://newforests.com/

    • Belladonna 3.1

      Mana Taiao Tai Rāwhiti (MTT) spokesman Manu Caddie questioned whether the forestry companies would feel the sting of the fines or if their insurance companies would cover the costs.

      Yes, they will indeed feel the sting of the fines, the next time their insurance comes up for renewal. Insurance companies have no interest in carrying the can for their clients. And, unlike our legal system, they have no issues, whatsoever, in charging higher premiums because of a director's bad behaviour in a previous company. You increase the risk, you pay more in premiums.

      The more likely outcome is that if there are punitive fines, the directors will simply wind up the company and re-start another one. My understanding is that most of the forestry companies don't own any of the land they're felling – but simply purchase the forestry rights (or are hired for a fee by the owners).

      Needless to say (or, perhaps, I do need to, given the propensity of some TS commentators to believe the worst of any comment I make) – I think this legal, but unethical, abuse of company legislation to be profoundly wrong. But we see it happening all the time in the building industry.

      • Drowsy M. Kram 3.1.1

        Needless to say (or, perhaps, I do need to, given the propensity of some TS commentators to believe the worst of any comment I make)…

        This is a (politically) left-ish site, with a predominantly left-leaning commentariat.
        As to why some TS commentators might believe "the worst" [?] of some of your comments, I speculate it's because of their content – what else is there to go on?

        ACT are also scary to this tranche of voters [centrists]

        Why does ACT scare you [Belladonna], a self-declared "respectful centrist"?

        What are some specific ACT policies or actions that scare you? One would do.

        Note, this isn't a matter of seeing "the worst" in some of your comments. Perhaps there's a simple explanation for your reluctance to answer these simple questions?
        And, of course, you're under no obligation to do so wink

        • Muttonbird 3.1.1.1

          As to why some TS commentators might believe "the worst" of any comment I make, I speculate it's because of their contentwhat else is there to go on?

          This.

          It's not good enough for self-described centrists (conservatives in drag) to somehow pretend they are socially conscious when 99% of their comments point the other way.

          • Belladonna 3.1.1.1.1

            Anything that you have to say about the comment above? No? Or is it, shock horror, that you agree with me, but can't bear to admit it? Well, I'll continue to ignore your fact-free rants.

        • Belladonna 3.1.1.2

          Given that you've failed, yet again, to engage with anything substantive in the comment I made – I shall continue to ignore you.

          • Drowsy M. Kram 3.1.1.2.1

            Why does ACT scare you [Belladonna], a self-declared "respectful centrist"?

            What are some specific ACT policies or actions that scare you? One would do.

            I shall continue to ignore you.

            I quite understand smiley

            One previous barney related to your favourable opinion of ACT's resurrected charter schools programme – “I’m willing to give it a try” – so that's one ACT policy that doesn’t scare you. And you’re also not afraid to repeatedly put the boot into NZ public schools – could have been Stanford writing.

            Public schools, not charter schools, need the Government’s support [23 May 2024]

            Then there's our CoC govt’s lack of a plan to secure the future of the inter-island ferry link for passengers and freight, although you seemed preoccupied with Labour/Green policy. It’s been over 8 months since Willis sank the previous govt's plan – any update on solutions, or is our CoC govt still bailing?

            Gordon Campbell On Making Profits From The Ferries Fiasco
            [9 Aug 2024]
            Finance Minister Nicola Willis has taken a ton of flak for not having a Plan B in place before she cancelled Kiwirail’s contract for the new Cook Strait ferries.

            Not to mention your request: "How about you give an example of an organization, that you politically disagree with, which is doing their advocacy well", prompted by 'concern' that the 'radical' Forest & Bird's "STOP the War on Nature" campaign might be considered "extremist rhetoric".

            Your request elicited three replies, including:

            The tobacco lobby has also been effective of late – only months ago the industry in NZ was apparently "on its knees", and look at it now.

            Nicotine Willis, Shane Cigareti, Nothing-to-Casey-here Costello – oh dear sad

            • Belladonna 3.1.1.2.1.1

              And, once again, failing to address a single point that I made in this post.
              Do try to keep up.

              Your dismissal of everything that I have to say, because you disagree with some of my opinions, simply makes you look thoroughly blinkered.

              • Drowsy M. Kram

                Your dismissal of everything that I have to say…

                The sheer number of comments you submit to The Standard precludes the dismissal of everything that you have to say.

                …simply makes you look thoroughly blinkered.

                smiley Thanks B – let's agree to disagree.

  4. Joe90 4

    DCM for JD?

    • joe90 4.1

      lol

      .
      @2.00′

      During an appearance on MSNBC over the weekend, columnist Jennifer Rubin — a loyal conservative until Donald Trump came along — was asked about the impact Robert F. Kennedy Jr.'s recent Trump endorsement might have on the presidential race.

      […]

      Rubin replied, "The more people know about Bobby Kennedy the more people who are saying they do not want to vote for him."

      "I think he's a perfect match for Donald Trump," she added before making a prediction.

      "In fact, if I were J.D. Vance, I would stick by the phone, because he might be just the kind of guy that Trump would pull in as an October surprise."

      https://www.rawstory.com/trump-october-surprise-jd-vance-robert-f-kennedy-jr/

  5. adam 5

    Black Bug government.

  6. tWig 6

    Luxon suggests the term 'bottom-feeders' will do nicely.

    [TheStandard: A moderator moved this comment to Open Mike as being off topic or irrelevant in the post it was made in. Be more careful in future.]

  7. aj 7

    These two astronauts, visiting space on June 5th for 8 days are now expected to return in Feb 2025.

    I can't help but think about the food menu. And the need for continued good health. I wish them all the best.

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