Open mike 25/09/2024

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43 comments on “Open mike 25/09/2024 ”

  1. PsyclingLeft.Always 1

    "Disconnected from reality"? Isnt that NACT1 summed?

    Business cases for large roading projects 'disconnected' from reality – ministry

    https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/528940/business-cases-for-large-roading-projects-disconnected-from-reality-ministry

    NZTA scraps dedicated road safety team as part of government cost-cutting drive

    https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/526577/nzta-scraps-dedicated-road-safety-team-as-part-of-government-cost-cutting-drive

    The lunacy of fast track, roads we need, and the literal urgency behind all that NACT1 are pushing..belies any sense, or rationality.

  2. Ngungukai 2

    NACT1st turning into a right "Dog's Breakfast" pushing things through as quickly as possible without much thought. Cancel the ferries without a Long Term Strategic Plan is not Super Smart IMHO.

    • tc 2.1

      Theres definitely a strategic plan IMHO.

      Luxon, seymour, jones, bishop, Willis and co are the managers tasked with execution and will be rewarded based on that.

      Youve already seen those who arent team players being moved aside. Coster, Lee, Simmonds, various others like NZH board etc

      • PsyclingLeft.Always 2.1.1

        Theres definitely a strategic plan IMHO.

        Absolutely. Mountain Tui and Mickey Savage have done detailed Posts on same , the involvement of Taxpayers union, Atlas Network et al, many here have also commented to it.

        And as you say..

        Luxon, seymour, jones, bishop, Willis and co are the managers tasked with execution and will be rewarded based on that.

        Directorships, Board memberships, etc etc coming .

        Still doesnt belie their lack of sense and rationality for us the rest of NZ…..

        • tc 2.1.1.1

          Yup no surprise to see shonky era ministers with well paid roles in the plunder as they have proven themselves.

      • James Simpson 2.1.2

        Luxon, seymour, jones, bishop, Willis and co are the managers tasked with execution and will be rewarded based on that.

        Can you shed a little light on that? They will be rewarded by who or what? Do you have details?

  3. PsyclingLeft.Always 3

    Science? We dont need no frickin' science !

    59 jobs to go at GNS Science

    The Public Service Association said the cuts include principal and senior scientists, geologists, geophysicists, geochemists, technicians and support staff.

    GNS scientists work included monitoring and researching geohazards such as earthquakes, landslides, volcanoes and tsunamis, as well as research on the sustainable management of the environment and effective adaptation to climate change.

    Of course! " sustainable management of the environment and effective adaptation to climate change" is not any part of NACT1's program !

    Meanwhile, the scientific community have written an open letter to the government expressing concern for how the cuts would affect GNS's ability to provide crucial science.

    The letter has been signed by 85 scientists from seven countries.

    "It's extremely embarrassing that respected scientists from around the world can see the huge value GNS scientists provide to our country, but the Government can't," Leo said.

    https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/528963/59-jobs-to-go-at-gns-science

    NACT1 taking us into a new Dark age….: (

    • AB 3.1

      Gathering real data about "sustainable management of the environment and effective adaptation to climate change" might imply some onus on governments to plan for such things. If there is no plan, and the cards simply lie where they fall, there will be interesting opportunities for the private sector to profit from whatever eventuates on the climate front.

      Are you bankrupted by losing your home in a flood and insurance won't pay out? No worries, come to our exclusive trailer park, shop at the on-premises company store and enjoy our vibrant 'community'.

      • PsyclingLeft.Always 3.1.1

        If there is no plan, and the cards simply lie where they fall,there will be interesting opportunities for the private sector to profit….

        As the definitive user(loser?) pays… come to pass.

        And re your second paragraph….maybe satirical, or, welcome to a possible Future NZ.

        The deluded mugs that voted for change, will find out that survival of the fittest, did not include them.

        I feel much empathy and sadness for the rest of us.

  4. Ngungukai 4

    Luxton's Press Secretary Resign's – I wonder why, he wouldn't be fricken easy to work with IMHO ??? Probably throw a few wobbly's and throw his toys around.

  5. adam 5

    A fubar mess in the middle east led by the rouge state of Israel. War crimes are now normal from this Crazy State, and governments in the West shrug.

    So we all get to sit, and watch Israel kill more civilians, blast the last vestiges of the Lebanon economy to dust – all the while our own government does nothing.

    I do wonder what would happen if people started to remove Israeli products from the shelves, would the government act then?

    • Belladonna 5.1

      I do wonder what would happen if people started to remove Israeli products from the shelves,

      I gather that there has been an informal consumer boycott on buying Israeli consumer goods for some time, by pro-Palestine activists. Of course, we don't actually import much, so it's had little effect.

      According to this, the largest value trade is in gas turbines – not something the average consumer can purchase (or not, as the case may be)

      https://oec.world/en/profile/bilateral-country/isr/partner/nzl

    • Tiger Mountain 5.2

      The gutless EU in particular could do much more to get something happening, US Imperialism will not turn the money and arms tap off in the short/medium term, so it is up to the worlds people to stick it to the Zionists via BDS–Boycott, Divest and Sanction. Hit the Israelis where it hurts–economically and culturally as we did with Apartheid South Africa.

      There is a massive international solidarity movement around the world in support of Palestine, but it may tragically be too late given the IDF butchers starvation policy, which is backed up by various Mid East Authoritarian rulers such as the Egyptians that will not open the border for substantial aid.

      NZ activists are targeting Israeli humus in supermarkets for example with stickers, which is a start, don’t buy Sodastream, there are alternatives now. BDS has a lot of info on how those of us at this distance can help.
      https://bdsmovement.net

    • Bryan Dods 5.3

      I stopped buying Sodastream CO2 gas refills a couple of years back because Sodastream is based in Israel.

      After purchasing a commercial type gas cylinder I could buy 9kg of gas for $65 instead of paying a pre-rise price of $35 for a 400gm Sodastream refill.

      That changed a bit when Marsden Refinery closed and left Todd Group as the only supplier of NZ produced CO2. The 9kg refill went up to $120. The cylinder and an adapter are not a cheap outlay. However even at the new price the 20 odd refills I made from the more expensive CO2 have covered the cost of the outlay and left me ahead.

      Israel will not notice one individuals effort, but at least I have stopped supporting what amounts to a terrorist state that is constantly transgressing established borders to terrorise citizens of other states.

  6. Adrian 6

    “ Of course we have no need for seismologists, what do they do anyway, just look into holes to see when earthquakes happened hundreds of years ago, what I’m saying to you is we need more go-getters, team people, dynamic people, people to take us forward going forward, not backwards like Labour looking in holes , Im saying to you they must have been employed under Labour making those holes financial ones that’s where the 150 billion went, in holes. Labour spending wasteful amounts on looking in holes. What’s a seismologist anyway.. oh a what?, earthquake scientist ! …No need for them not dynamically forward looking team members going forward that’s what I’m saying to you. What I’m say to you, we’ve had our earthquakes they are in the past, we won’t have any more under National, we are going to ban them, they cost too much I’m saying to you the scientists probably wear patches with names on them, under National, they,re gone and I’ll personally be looking in their wardrobes for anything with insignias on them, that’s dynamism leadership for you, whatever that is I’m saying to you, now don’t start me on volcanologists, they just fly round in spaceships with funny ears right ? They’re gone too, no need for them I’m saying to you.”

    Remind you of anyone? Looks like an arse , is an arse, talks the stuff that comes out of an arse.

    Thank God, I feel better now I’ve got that off my chest.

  7. Adrian 7

    To Tiger Mountain, the Egyptians do allow aid in, the IDF blocks most of it. Egypt does not want to be compliant with the Israelis genocide and emptying Palestine so they can sieze all the land. Egypt is not wealthy it could not possibly feed an house an entire nation.

    • Jenny 7.1

      Tiger Mountain @5.2

      25 September 2024 at 1:07 pm

      ……various Mid East Authoritarian rulers such as the Egyptians that will not open the border for substantial aid.

      Adrian @7

      25 September 2024 at 1:16 pm

      To Tiger Mountain, the Egyptians do allow aid in, the IDF blocks most of it. Egypt does not want to be compliant with the Israelis genocide…..

      Egypt does not want to appear compliant with the Israeli genocide,

      But it is. And has been, for a long time.

      The PA leader Mahmoud Abbass asked the Egyption leader Al Sisi if he could lead an international delegation into Gaza through Egypt to break the Israeli blockade. Al Sisi replied, Yes, but only if the Israelis approve it.

      The military regime Abdel Al Sisi, and the military regime of Hosni Mubarak before him are longstanding backers of Israel's illegal siege of Gaza.

      Egypt told PA’s Abbas he could visit Gaza if Israel approves; Jerusalem refused

      10 September 2024, 9:52 am

      …..Citing a diplomat from an unnamed Middle Eastern country, the report says the PA asked Israel and Egypt to help facilitate Abbas’s promised visit to Gaza. Cairo didn’t object but said Jerusalem had to okay it. Israel refused the request…..

      https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/report-egypt-told-pas-abbas-he-could-visit-gaza-if-israel-approves-jerusalem-refused/

      Palestinian leader Abbas tells Turkish parliament he will go to Gaza

      The president of the Palestinian Authority tells Turkish legislators he will stand by the Palestinian people even at the cost of his life.

      “I have decided to head to the Gaza Strip along with all the brothers from the Palestinian leadership,” Abbas said.

      “I will work with all my power so that all of us are standing with our people to stop this barbaric aggression even if that would cost us our life. Our life is not more valuable than that of the smallest child in Gaza.”

      https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/8/15/palestinian-leader-abbas-tells-turkish-parliament-he-will-go-to-gaza

      The Palestinian ambassador to the UN, Riyad Mansour in a speech before the UN Security Council told the UNSC that the president of the Palestinian Authority, Mahmoud Abbas, was going to lead a delegation to Gaza to stand by the Palestinian people. Abbas is calling for all leaders to go with them to Gaza

      "Who is stopping you from doing this?" Riyad Mansour

      [The following AI generated transcript has been lightly edited to aid comprehension]

      @8:19 minutes

      …..President Abbas has declared his intention, and the intention of the Palestinian leadership, to head to Gaza. He has called for leaders from around the globe to join him. And to support this initiative. I have communicated the position of the leadership to the Secretary General about this initiative. And to you, Mr President. I assume that you shared it with the colleagues and members of the Security Council.

      …..let us all go to the Gaza Strip and try to impose the ceasefire…..

      ……by all those who have spines to come and say we are coming to demand a ceasefire, and to demand it now in the Gaza Strip. And to show empathy, support, and solidarity with those who have been suffering immensely for more than 10 and a half months…..



  8. SPC 8

    A plan to disenfranchise Americans – called the Save Act – that the GOP tried to include in a government funding package has not succeeded.

    It would have required proof of citizenship to vote, it would have created a roadblock for women (where the name on electoral roll is not the name on their birth certificate).

    https://thehill.com/homenews/house/4889074-hakeem-jeffries-election-rules-government-funding/

    • adam 8.1

      Some people never seem to learn from experience. No matter how often they had seen the lion devour the lamb, they continued to cling to the hope that the nature of the beast might change. If only the lion could get to know the lamb better, they argued, or talk matters over.

      Emma Goldman

      The fact they even put the Save Act on the table is shit. But the far right have won in the West. So we get use to it, or we stand up and push back.

  9. Joe90 9

    Mitt Romney hopes the kids are alright.

    .

    As our conversation in the spring wound down, I decided to ask Romney a question I’d somehow neglected to bring up in our dozens of interviews before: What—if anything—gave him hope about the future?

    […]

    When I put it to Romney in his office, he told me about a book he’d recently read, The Age of Acrimony. The book chronicled America from 1865 to 1915, a period in which the country was exploding with political energy, much of it destructive. Torch-carrying mobs held massive rallies that turned into riots. Political assassinations were widespread. Many people were predicting a second civil war. Then, in relatively short order, “the air went out of the balloon,” Romney told me. Presidential-election turnout rates plunged from 80 percent in 1896 (when many people were bribed for their vote) to less than 50 percent two decades later. Romney invited the author, a historian at the Smithsonian, to his office. He wanted to know what had changed. How had a nation addicted to partisan tribalism and political violence managed to break the cycle? The author told him that members of the generation that had come of age during this “age of acrimony” simply decided they didn’t want to live that way anymore.

    https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2024/09/mitt-romney-trump/679994/?gift=otEsSHbRYKNfFYMngVFweJRyM6zVmiDMVs-lJxkjpjs&utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=social

  10. Anne 10

    Oh dear, Luxon is not happy about a CGT tax. and his happy clappy finance minister agrees with him. I wonder if the gullible amongst us who hang on to his//hers every word will be able to figure out the real reason why:

    https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/529018/luxon-takes-crack-at-anz-boss-antonia-watson-over-capital-gains-tax-support

    • adam 10.1

      Mammonites Rule, Christian's Fooled.

      National party oppose any tax which will hurt their greedy mates. This the core of the evil theological position our PM is a sucker to. As for the happy clappy fool of finance minister, needs lessons in Greek and Armamic that one – with a good dose of non-Euclidean geometry added.

    • joe90 10.2

      Daddy Luxbucks knows …

      "As a former CEO, I understand what she's doing…

  11. Mike the Lefty 11

    Gideon Brown telling another lie.

    He said the new Manawatu road is being tolled because of the addition of cycle lanes, which were not budgeted – trying to tell us that motorists will have to pay tolls all because of those commie greenie cyclists

    He really has a pathological hatred of cycles, it seems. Perhaps he should see a professional about that. Scary that we should have such an unbalanced character as this with so much power.

    What he didn't say was that the cost overruns were mostly because the new road was initially going to be a single lane each way, but later was changed to double lanes for a lot of the way, obviously will cost more. Double lanes for cars – that is.

    Also didn't say anything about the fact that all the costings were done long before Covid was even a rumour. Anything being built at the time was subject to huge increases in costs that had not been anticipated.

    Anything. Not just roads.

    But no, its the cyclists fault.

    Divide and rule, that is what National do, and have always done.
    Perhaps he should install a donation box at each end of the new road so that cyclists can thoughtfully make a contribution and pay their fair share.

    I hoped to provide a link to the article but can longer find it.