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Open mike 25/10/2019

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  1. Peter 2

    I don't know what Chris Finlayson's been up to since he left Parliament but it hasn't killed his smarminess or his view that people other than he and his mates are stupid.

    It was said on RNZ this morning that he was going back to contribute to getting the rules around the use of video from Parliament changed .

    According to him the world has moved on and the rules need to be updated for the social media of today. We all know times move quickly and things move quickly.

    We also know that the world didn't move that quickly in less than two years from when certain restrictions were included in the rules, to where they are no longer necessary.

    Finlayson and his worthy leader no doubt had a part in formulating those rules. He is saying this brief time later that after the intellectual rigour they applied to constructing them the essence of part of them no longer applies?

    What changed, what moved quickly is that they were no longer in power. What would have been argued on grounds of principle from high and mighty positions of power suddenly are being argued in a diametrically opposite way, ostensibly on grounds of principle.

    The high and mighty are well suited to the worm holes. Finlayson should crawl back there.

    • Anne 2.1

      Prior to becoming a politician Finlayson had a law practice which, as far as I know, continues to exist. I recall him saying on leaving politics that he was planning to resume his legal career.

      That being the case then it is likely National hired him to represent them at the select committee hearing. That being the case then he would be representing his client (the Nats) and not himself.

      • Dukeofurl 2.1.1

        No . he hasnt 'resumed his' previous legal practice. He has moved to Auckland ( where the money is) to work as an high end arbitrator and barrister

        https://www.bankside.co.nz/barrister/hon-christopher-finlayson-qc/

        • Anne 2.1.1.1

          That's interesting. Thanks Dukeofurl.

          As someone who seems to have specialised in copyright, contractural interpretation and other similar legal matters prior to entering parliament, then it seems probable Finlayson was hired in his capacity as a high flying barrister to represent them.

          After all, they have lots of Chinese money at their disposal. You know… this "quid pro quo" thing which appears fashionable among some of the world's political elite these days.

          • Incognito 2.1.1.1.1

            The legal fraternity love their Latin phrases so here’s one that’s quite fitting IMO: cui bono?

            • Peter 2.1.1.1.1.1

              I studied Latin for some years and while I came across many fine phrases (and use them occasionally,) sometimes English is great for being succinct and accurate.

              Like "the man is an arsehole."

      • OnceWasTim 2.1.2

        Nice enough guy overtly @Anne…….shame about the sense of Tory entitlement and bitchiness he's adopted. Kind of a 'Dontcha know who I am?" – in an "I've paid my dues", sophisticated sort of way .

        Better to just give him a knighthood and wish him a happy life in retirement. Maybe even a brass plaque on a front row seat in some remote venue where the NZSO plays.

        Give him a bloody subscription for life even, or the keys to Miramar Penninsula, or even a guest column on Granny Herald

    • cleangreen 2.2

      yes ouch!!!!!

      Well said peter.; – "Beauty is in the eye of the beholder"

      but we must not allow our own photo images to be used for political gain without our consent.

  2. Andre 3

    An interesting question for our times: why are so few Repugs willing to lift even their smallest finger to try to tame the turd tornado spattering up the walls of the Oval Office? After all, Pence would sign off on any judges the Heritage Foundation puts in front of him, and any tax cuts or other reactionary legislation, so it's not as if they would lose any ability to actually do anything.

    Is it simple partisan loyalty?

    https://fortune.com/2019/10/21/republican-senators-impeachment/

    Are modern day Repugs entirely driven by 'triggering the libs' and Pence just won't do that as effectively as the flambee'd freakshow?

    https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2019/10/8/20903433/pence-trump-impeachment-conservatives

    Personally, I'm still going with they're too busy quivering in fear that Darth Hater would open a can of Whoopass on their spineless husks.

    https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2019/10/24/the-fantasy-of-republicans-ditching-trump-229879

    • I do hope that people in the USA are reading your comments Andre and that of other wise heads here. One can only hope that all the close attention we give to the USA here actually penetrates the outer stratosphere of the USA consciousness.

      As for Brexit, it is also very interesting in all its manifestations as Halloween draws close.

      One columnist spreads her interest wide to take in the Remainers.

      Clever incompetents in Parliament have catastrophically overplayed their hand

      The trouble with the Remainers is not their arrogant inability to grasp when they have lost, but their blindness to when they have won. So when Boris Johnson triumphantly returned from Brussels clutching the best bad deal possible, the eyes of MPs gunged up so quickly with spiteful, green anger that they failed to spot their finest chance to wreck Brexit.

      Fatuous Remainer MPs have just become the useful idiots of the Leave cause – Sherelle Jacobs Daily Telegraph Columnist

      Her image shows a 20-30 year old looking pleased with herself for getting a piece into the paper which comes from a different viewpoint – though a doubtfully valid one.

      • Dukeofurl 3.1.1

        " One can only hope that all the close attention we give to the USA here actually penetrates.."

        Do really believe that ? the Guardian especially has far better writers and columnists, a world wide syndication and yet no one takes any notice

      • cleangreen 3.1.2

        Did anyone watch the interview between John Campbell with Dogal Stevenson (the famous 1960’s news reporter)on TVNZ one Breakfast show today?

        What a gem, here's my memory of it.

        https://thedailyblog.co.nz/2019/10/25/special-report-to-save-democracy-we-must-make-the-media-our-own/#comment-479698

        Todays blog.

        What a blast hearing Dogal Stevenson talking to John Campbell at this morning on TVNZ one ‘Breakfast’ show at 7.40am today when John asked Dogal; “what would you advise todays newreaders to do”?

        Dogal said very carefully after deep reflection “well I would say to him; (from memory- my words)

        “just loosen up, – you don’t want to be a slave to a BBC as an adjunct; – talk to your listeners audience as they are your own people, and you will receive far more empathy and respect for speaking the truth.”

        Then from memory I recall Dogal said, he still searches for the truth as a newsreader, and mostly listens to RNZ as our public broadcaster, in the hope that that he is hearing the truth, and others are to biased today.

        https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/96745495/labour-promises-freetoair-rnz-tv-channel

        Yes we need to get that free to air public TV channel we were promised by Labour started soon as the election process is now in full swing putting out so much fake media hype now that is is often difficult to know what is the truth any more.

        https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/96745495/labour-promises-freetoair-rnz-tv-channel?rm=a

        .

        • greywarshark 3.1.2.1

          Yes public TV on a reasonable budget and no highly priced front people. Let's get able people who earn a reasonable screw and go for ugly ones – it's time we had our day in the sun.

        • OnceWasTim 3.1.2.2

          "Yes we need to get that free to air public TV channel we were promised by Labour started soon as the election process is now in full swing "

          As I replied to you @ Cleangreen once before (not sure if it was here or on TDB.)

          Please don't hold your breath. You are probably already down as some disgruntled old coot whose vote won't make a difference in your twilight years anyway

          Ideologically, the foxes are in charge of the chicken coup and the chickens are busy convincing their partners how dainty the taste of a Chardonnay is. So its better to just smile and watch them all jump off a cliff, and watch the onlookers clutch their pearls afterwards
          chanting “Oooh! I say!”

          • cleangreen 3.1.2.2.1

            OncewasTim.

            Yes we are petty much stuffed now, like the movies always portray the masses as idiots when a huge disaster comes our way such as in the movie "The day after tomorrow

            It correctly makes us all look quite stupid like chickens for sure. .

  3. Bond 4

    Can I sing 'Rule Britannia" one last time ?

    Bond, James Bond .. no relation to Boris.

  4. I wondered about this. What is the reasonable position on it?

    https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/401733/parliament-tv-attack-ads-speaker-reprimands-academic-over-comments

    The hearing was mostly cordial, barring a stern rebuke from Mr Mallard to Massey University Professor Claire Robinson after her criticism of Labour's position.

    The review was initiated after Labour complained that the Opposition had used official footage of Labour backbencher Deborah Russell without her permission in breach of one of Parliament's rarely enforced rules.

    This is the only audio I can find. https://www.rnz.co.nz/audio/player?audio_id=2018719271

    • Dukeofurl 5.1

      Claire Robinson…. always finds way to twist the narrative to favour national

      https://thespinoff.co.nz/politics/08-10-2017/election-2017-a-vote-for-the-status-quo/

      "But to be a vote for change Labour would have had to get more votes than National. In fact National got 20,574 more votes in 2017 than it did in 2014."

      hello MMP is calling Claire…the left has multiple choice of parties.

      And she lies by omission as National got less votes as a % of the total vote a whopping -2.59%. Saying they 'won' by getting more votes by number and by party was the National partys constant claim.

      • cleangreen 5.1.1

        yesGood one Dukeofurl. National use the system; "the more we repeat the lie the closer to the truth it becomes."

  5. I keep getting good, hopeful feelings that problems are being dealt with in a timely, not time-wasting fashion, now that the Labour Coalition is in. Please God let this political do-wonders group stay in and we can have hope for the future. It can't please us all, all the time, but it is trying for most of the time. The others are gungy ghastly greedy and bottom-feeders.

    • They're trying @grey. But there's a lot of shit to push uphill and they've been slow to start, and slow to even recognise where many of the roadblocks are/have been.

      Their worst enema comes from quite a few in the senior ranks of the public service. Now that I've come of age, I'm privy to the conversations and opinions of a bunch of retired senior public servants. I hadn't quite realised how much they're in agreement with what I've noticed quite independently of what they'd seen and experieinced. Kind of like a blatent display of a Master of the Universe culture, previously limited to the private sector.

      Whereas once it was all a matter of self preservation through obfuscation, spin et al (as in "Yes Minister" fashion), NOW those same traits come with outright political partisanship in so many cases.

      Not sure if it was in here or TDB that I was reminded of the word 'spiv' which reminded me of grifters, but its become a bit sad that many of the coalition MPs have taken this long (2 years in) to appreciate the level of 'pushback' that's occurred, and many still don't appear to have noticed how many of their 'officials' have the skills of the best used car salesman.

      Some Ministers and MPs in the coalition are/have been simply too 'nice', and the used car salesmen are, and have taken advantage of it.

      Pushing back, to the extent they're trying to show just who is boss; 'working to rule' on policies they dislike or don't agree with, slowing it all down; and crying victim if and when anyone even attempts to call them to account.

      I'm glad you have confidence because what worries me most is that this government COULD be teetering on a loss come 2020, given a senior public service that's by and large its enemy and almost completely unaccountable for its many failures (a matter of record that could rival a bLip list, an almost non-existent 4th Estate, and an electorate that's becoming increasingly disinterested and feeling alienated.

      If you’ve got one or two crystals I could clutch, I could return the favour, maybe as a tour guide to the new home of the Dalai Lama

  6. Edit
    James Shaw gave an excellent interview.

    environment Emissions trading scheme under fire

    From Morning Report, 8:24 am today Listen duration 5′ :50″

    The government is under fire for not going far enough with its Emissions Trading Scheme. Farmers won't have to start paying for their emissions until 2025, as long as they make progress in finding ways to measure and price emissions at the farm level. Greenpeace says the government's Emissions Trading Scheme shows pleas from tens-of-thousands of students for climate action have fallen on deaf ears. Corin speaks to the Climate Change Minister James Shaw in our Wellington studio.

    and – Good work that engineer

    8:15 am today
    Engineer reveals dozens of building mistakes
    From Morning Report, 8:15 am today 3.24m
    A structural engineer who helped trigger investigations into seismically-flawed building designs has revealed dozens of common but serious mistakes he is finding during reviews. The consequences of design faults include a 60-metre high transmission tower that snapped in half. Phil Pennington reports.

    • ordinary_bloke 7.1

      I have relatives in the building industry. 'Cowboys' would be a polite description.

      • greywarshark 7.1.1

        The way that builders go broke and don't pay their subbies is a shock to me, filled with the belief of building being one of our strong industries that was flourishing, blah blah. My relations just had a very nice house built and watched over it all the time, I think similar to a civil engineer as he is a retired builder. The supposed builder confessed that it was beyond him before the job was done, he was running a ponzi, paying off past debts from the current job, and it caught up with him. And he and his family were known to my relation, not fly-by-nights. In the end he was paid for the job, but didn't pay all his subbies, and my relation had to bargain with them to get them to sign off their work so the Council would issue a 'pass-notice' or whatever it's called. He had to pay some in full, so double for that part. Shocking! The house is pretty good but he had to finish off some parts himself. His knees are a bit shot, but he managed.

        It should be a steady job and with good tradesmen getting good pay. But SNAFU is our codesign in NZ since neoliberalbloodyeconomics and the bloody Labourtroika/Treasury takeover. Can we pull ourselves out of the smelly bog – I hope.

    • cleangreen 7.2

      smiley yes greywarshark;

      And on my 'namesake' day we received the word that an Iwi is challenging OMV CEO in an international court .

      A good move there, – we all need to support them not leave them in solitude;.

      We we wrote this in support today too.

      CEAC support Iwi Leaders Group lawsuit against OMV CEO
      25th October 2019.
      Press Release: Citizens Environmental Advocacy Centre.
      CEAC support Climate change Iwi Leaders Group lawsuit against OMV CEO
      On this ‘St Crispin’s day 25th October’, (a day that the English celebrate annually their victory against the French during the Agincourt 100yr war.)

      • It was fitting that we were sent this important press release on this day.
      http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/BU1910/S00504/iwi-leader-launches-criminal-lawsuit-against-omv-ceo.htm

      We fully support the Iwi legal challenge against another polluter and ‘climate spoiler’ such as OMV is.

      QUOTE;
      “ An iwi leader has announced the initiation of a lawsuit to be filed at the International Criminal Court against Rainer Seele, the CEO of Austrian oil giant OMV”.

      This was another very good Iwi policy that has considered the health ,safety and wellbeing of all citizens, and we commend the Iwi for making a bold stand against those corporate interests who wish harm upon our NZ citizens and we stand together with them in support and solitude.

      END

  7. marty mars 8

    No Right Turn nails it – shaw knows this stuff better than most and this is what he managed to sort – pathetic and disgraceful – if this is the big moment it fizzed worse than Dot-idiot and the big nothing.

    So let's remind ourselves: the planet is warming like never before. We need to halve emissions by 2030 if we are to have an even chance of staying within the 1.5 degree limit, or cut them by 20% if we are to make the old 2 degree target. And contrary to Judith Collins' uninformed opinion, the difference between 1.5 and 2 degrees of warming is disastrous (the 4 degrees we are actually on track for is absolutely catastrophic).

    Against this background, saying that agriculture, our biggest polluter, doesn't have to do anything until 2025 is committing to failure. And if we are to meet the emissions reduction targets necessary for human survival, it forces us towards policy paths that are extreme, like an actual cow-cull, rather than being able to reduce cow numbers by efficiency gains through the business cycle. We could afford to piss around like that in 2000, and maybe in 2008 (if we'd actually followed-through, rather than giving them a free ride). But now, we are out of time. You cannot compromise with physics, and anyone who thinks you can is trying to kill us.
    http://norightturn.blogspot.com/2019/10/climate-change-you-cannot-compromise.html

    • ordinary_bloke 8.1

      Would it be possible to replace Westminster with with an algorithm run by .. oh, Zuckerberg ?

      Think of the cost savings, efficiencies, and 'improvements' in democratic process.

      • greywarshark 8.1.1

        Well, I think take a tender for the jobs of running the country – and have each person with watchers who answer to the people for the performance of their lad or lass. . All coming from the citizens and having first done a public, civic management diploma and social anthropology one also, and also a farming and horticulture course – those being our main positive products. (Less emphasis on rockets and space, and more on food and maintaining the planet in a livable condition.)

        They will be responsible for ensuring that the administration does what has been agreed upon in an appropriately professional way, getting the best out of staff while treating them with respect. We will save on paying wannabe celebrities with good hair and good teeth, who put in an appearance and say the things that suit their Party, performing when the key at their back is turned – for older; or the touch button is pressed – that's the younger ones.

  8. marty mars 9

    I agree – imo disrespecting all of the climate action marchers, the school strikers, the people that WANT real change, disrespecting Greta and our children will only lead to misery for everyone

    Picture this. Jacinda Ardern standing in the middle of Queen St on the bonnet of a tractor with her middle finger raised as ten of thousands of climate strikers stream by.

    She may as well have.

    https://www.greenpeace.org/new-zealand/story/pact-between-farming-lobby-groups-and-government-is-the-opposite-of-climate-action/

  9. Andre 10

    Ethnic cleansing seems to be all good with the No 2 Repug in the Senate:

    https://www.huffpost.com/entry/john-cornyn-defends-trump-kurds_n_5db1a0f3e4b0131fa99a9fba

  10. Here is the UK House of Commons with Q&A. How do we compare – I know I should listen and watch our Parliament but I am remiss about this.

    • ianmac 11.1

      Our QA starts with a Question. Theirs starts with background then the question.

      And the initial question is a single question then next one on a different topic.

      I can't keep track of UK Q&A!

  11. weka 12

    This is brave, comedian Kelly Bachman telling Harvey Weinstein 'Fuck you' when he's in the audience at an event for young actors,

    (cheers from the women, boos from the men).

  12. marty mars 13

    Good this is happening.

    The Waitangi Tribunal has decided to hold an urgent inquiry into Oranga Tamariki's practices in taking Māori children from their mothers.

    Chief Judge Wilson Isaac rejected Crown arguments that the issues should be examined in the current internal Oranga Tamariki inquiry or two others by the Children's Commissioner and Chief Ombudsman.

    He said: "I conclude there are sufficient grounds for an urgent inquiry into a specific contemporary issue concerning a risk of significant and irreversible prejudice to Māori arising from current Oranga Tamariki policy and practice."

    …Judge Isaac said the Tribunal would focus on two things:

    "Having regard to the rising and disproportionately high number of tamariki Māori taken into state care under the auspices of Oranga Tamariki, is Crown legislation, policy and practice inconsistent with the principles of the Treaty and the Crown's Treaty duties to Māori? "

    And:

    "If so, what changes to Crown legislation, policy and practice are required to ensure Treaty compliance."

    https://www.newsroom.co.nz/2019/10/25/878562/urgent-waitangi-tribunal-inquiry-into-mori-child-uplifts#

  13. Eco maori 14

    Revealed: how the FBI targeted environmental activists in domestic terror investigations

    This article is more than 1 month old

    Protesters were characterized as a threat to national security in what one calls an attempt to criminalize their actions.

    Helen Yost, a 62-year-old environmental educator, has been a committed activist for nearly a decade. She says she spends 60 to 80 hours a week as a community organizer for Wild Idaho Rising Tide. She’s been arrested twice for engaging in non-violent civil disobedience.

    Yost may not fit the profile of a domestic terrorist, but in 2014 the FBI classified her as a potential threat to national security. According to hundreds of pages of FBI files obtained by the Guardian through a Freedom of Information Act (Foia) lawsuit, and interviews with activists, Yost and more than a dozen other people campaigning against fossil fuel extraction in North America have been identified in domestic terrorism-related investigations.

    The investigations, which targeted individual activists and some environmental organizations, were opened in 2013-2014, at the height of opposition to the Keystone XL Pipeline and the expansion of fossil fuel production in North America.

    The new Foia documents reveal the bureau’s motivation for investigating a broad cross-section of the environmental movement and its characterization of non-violent protesters as a potential threat to national security.

    The new Foia documents reveal the bureau’s motivation for investigating a broad cross-section of the environmental movement and its characterization of non-violent protesters as a potential threat to national security.

    However, in the file closing the case, it appears that Yost has been watchlisted, which is standard for named subjects of FBI domestic terrorism investigations, according to Mike German, a former FBI agent who is now a fellow with the Brennan Center for Justice. Being watchlisted can lead to heightened scrutiny from law enforcement and delays or additional screenings when traveling. Yost said she had not traveled overseas since the FBI investigation.

    Yost, who was contacted by an FBI agent when the case was still active, said she was not surprised by the agency’s actions. Surveillance was a form of suppression, she said, and this was another attempt to criminalize the actions of “normal people” working to protect natural resources. But she remains undeterred.

    Ka kite Ano link below.

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/sep/23/revealed-how-the-fbi-targeted-environmental-activists-in-domestic-terror-investigations

  14. Eco maori 15

    Kia Ora 1 News.

    That's is cool the school still having a calf day.

    Te Uluru is a Tangata Whenua of Australia taonga all Australians need to learn some of the Tangata whenua great culture.

    Ka kite Ano

  15. Eco maori 16

    Kia Ora Te Ao Maori News.

    Yes I will be a great game of Rugby tonight.

    Ma Te Wa for the League.

    Armogedon will be great this year. The is heaps of potential for our Rangatahi to make plenty of putea from playing and developing video games.

    Ka kite Ano

  16. Eco maori 18

    The Wealthier countries need to step up and donate putea to help the poor country's of Te Papatuanuku. They have the lowest carbon footprint and will be suffering the most from Global warming that's a fact.

    Almost $US10 billion pledged to help tackle climate change

    Wealthier countries on Friday have promised nearly $US9.8 billion over the next four years to an international fund to help poorer nations develop cleanly and adapt to climate stresses.

    Most of the donors making fresh contributions came from Europe, though New Zealand, South Korea, Japan and Canada also committed funds, with New Zealand and South Korea pledging to double previous donations.

    However, the United States will not contribute, because president Donald Trump decided to stop paying into the fund.

    The funding is still a drop in the ocean compared with the estimated $3 trillion to $7 trillion a year needed to shift the world's economy onto a more sustainable and climate-friendly path, Mr Glemarec said

    The fund so far has allocated about $5.2 billion to 111 projects in 99 countries.

    They range from green, low-cost housing in Mongolia's polluted capital and a methane-fuelled rapid-transit bus system in Karachi to restoring climate-threatened ecosystems in Namibia

    Ka kite Ano link below.

    1. https://amp.rnz.co.nz/article/f2209181-f527-4687-816b-bf83d2e7dd03
  17. Eco maori 19

    Some Eco Maori Music For The Minute.

  18. Eco maori 20

    Time are changing fast our realities opinions can change just as fast now is the time to make sure that the information we are receiving is not being distorted by Wealthier people $$$$$$$$$$. In reality the best phenomenon for all is the best for Te Papatuanuku= equality for all equal income distribution and being caretaker of Papatuanuku and her creations for the next generations our mokopuna. Our society needs to learn respect our Tipuna and our mokopuna future respect for the past and future over our greed.

    Why can’t we agree on what’s true any more?

    It’s not about foreign trolls, filter bubbles or fake news. Technology encourages us to believe we can all have first-hand access to the ‘real’ facts – and now we can’t stop fighting about it.

    We live in a time of political fury and hardening cultural divides. But if there is one thing on which virtually everyone is agreed, it is that the news and information we receive is biased. Every second of every day, someone is complaining about bias, in everything from the latest movie reviews to sports commentary to the BBC’s coverage of Brexit. These complaints and controversies take up a growing share of public discussion.

    Much of the outrage that floods social media, occasionally leaking into opinion columns and broadcast interviews, is not simply a reaction to events themselves, but to the way in which they are reported and framed. The “mainstream media” is the principal focal point for this anger. Journalists and broadcasters who purport to be neutral are a constant object of scrutiny and derision, whenever they appear to let their personal views slip. The work of journalists involves an increasing amount of unscripted, real-time discussion, which provides an occasionally troubling window into their.

    .

    Why can’t we agree on what’s true any more? – podcast

    This mentality now spans the entire political spectrum and pervades societies around the world. A recent survey found that the majority of people globally believe their society is broken and their economy is rigged. Both the left and the right feel misrepresented and misunderstood by political institutions and the media, but the anger is shared by many in the liberal centre, who believe that populists have gamed the system to harvest more attention than they deserve. Outrage with “mainstream” institutions has become a mass.

    Public life has become like a play whose audience is unwilling to suspend disbelief. Any utterance by a public figure can be unpicked in search of its ulterior motive. As cynicism grows, even judges, the supposedly neutral upholders of the law, are publicly accused of personal bias. Once doubt descends on public life, people become increasingly dependent on their own experiences and their own beliefs about how the world really works. One effect of this is that facts no longer seem to matter (the phenomenon misleadingly dubbed “post-truth”). But the crisis of democracy and of truth are one and the same: individuals are increasingly suspicious of the “official” stories they are being told, and expect to witness things for themselves.

    Reasons we cannot agree on what’s true |

    On one level, heightened scepticism towards the establishment is a welcome development. A more media-literate and critical citizenry ought to be less easy for the

    Ka kite Ano link below.

    https://www.theguardian.com/media/2019/sep/19/why-cant-we-agree-on-whats-true-anymore

  19. Eco maori 21

    Kia Ora 1 News.

    The Korowai Trust is doing a good job housing the homeless.

    I'm trying to get A lawyer to.

    That's awesome a commeration of the New Zealand land wars.

    I agree we should not let go of the pass.

    Ka kite Ano

  20. Eco maori 22

    Kia Ora Te Ao Maori News.

    That's a good Haka and waiata at Waitara Marae for the commeration of the New Zealand Wars.

    It was good luck that Hine won the draw.

    Its awesome to see tangata whenua getting council seats.

    Ka kite Ano

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